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Seriously, why are these games so fucking easy?
>get Exp. All even before the first gym, using it will make your pokemon overleveled even without grind
>rival constantly giving you stuff for free and essentially telling you where you have to go next
>sweep every gym leader without really trying, because the level curve is so slow
>to top it off, the game gives you a fucking legendary after the 5th badge without even having to battle and catch it
I restarted the game, boxed my starter and tried to only use pokemon I considered weak and never used like Masquerain, Swalot, Golking or Breloom, but I still wreck every enemy easily, even without grinding.
This is really weird since I remember the original Ruby to be a lot more difficult. Had to try and fight the E4 over and over until I finally beat them.
How do I make this game more challenging and/or fun?
>>25508527
>This is really weird since I remember the original Ruby to be a lot more difficult
Then you remember wrong, because outside the Lati and exp.share it's the same fucking game.
>>25508527
>This is really weird since I remember the original Ruby to be a lot more difficult.
No pokemon game has been difficult,
Hell fucking gen 1 was even easier than 6.
>>25508527
>he didn't turn off the Exp. Share
It's like you were asking for a bad time… Oh wait…
>>25508568
>besides the things that make it easy it's just as easy
Yeah no shit
>>25508592
No, gen 6 is VERY noticeably easier than literally every other mainline game before it.
>>25508636
Gen1 and 2 were not so blatantly obvious with giving you hints on what to do next.
Just remember all these people talking about not knowing how to get through rock tunnel in R/B/Y, or what to to with the ghosts in Lavender Tower, or how to get to the next gym or find the needed HM.
This can't happen in Gen6, because May/Brandon tells you exactly what to do next and gives you the Key items or HMs you need for that. There is no trial and error.
Another example: after your first batle with your rival, Prof. Birch gives you Pokeballs. Shortly after, you rival shows you how rustling grass works and you encounter a Poochyena.
It know fucking Ice Fang / Fire Fang / Thunder Fang, so if you chose Torchic as a starter, you can simply use Ice Fang Poochyena for the first gym.
>>25508607
On the first playthorugh I didn't turn it off.
Now that I restarted I only turn it on if I want to train a very weak pokemon to match my current teams level
>>25508527
The original ruby was a lot more difficult because you weren't a fucking adult back then, genius.
>>25508636
>>25508697
So you admit the only real difference is the exp share and early legendary and yet when you use neither you are still certain the game is easier. You think maybe the game is always easy? Maybe kids are just fucking stupid, you ever think of that?
>>25508636
>No, gen 6 is VERY noticeably easier than literally every other mainline game before it.
Nah, having replayed gen 1 with the recent VC releases I can tell you it's significantly easier than gen 1.
Possibly because of the overpowered Special stat, possibly because the AI was significantly worse than later iterations, probably because trainers lacked decent move variety even for that generation.
Or maybe it's all of those factors combined.
The only real difference is that Gen 1 didn't really tell you were to go because it was fairly blatant and that doesn't really play into the difficulty of things.
>>25508527
The only thing that was harder about the older games is that the Pokemon back then had shitty learnsets. Pokemon is a babby-tier series, play a real game if you want challenge.
>>25508719
>easier than gen 1
than gen 6*
>>25508527
Is Golking a new meme I'm not aware off?
>>25508722
>The only thing that was harder about the older games is that the Pokemon back then had shitty learnsets
Even then TMs worked on a hell of a lot more pokemon than they do now so you could give yourself the powerful moves while your opponent was stuck with the trash tier moves like water gun and ember in the late game.
Hell, I was like 10 levels underlevelled in Red and I still cut through the E4 like a hot knife through butter.
You want the game to be slightly harder like the old days?
Protip: TURN OFF EXP. SHARE
Plus I boxed lati as soon as they gave him to me and with the Eon Flute and soaring I don't even have to sacrifice a spot on my team for Fly. Now that was a fucking great idea and they should do something similar for all HMs
>>25508684
I think that's more of a characteristic of games from that period rather than specifically of gen 1/2 pokémon. Same can be said for a Zelda game, for example - there's way too much hand-holding on games nowadays and the puzzle parts are always heavily hinted at.
>>25508759
>I think that's more of a characteristic of games from that period rather than specifically of gen 1/2 pokémon
Yep, games weren't exactly long back then so they had to cover it up either by making it extremely tough or not giving the player hints.
Nowadays it isn't an issue though, because you can stuff oodles of content in.
>>25508568
>>25508592
>>25508703
>>25508722
>All these people not realising that The EXP Share, lower number of team members in Gym teams, more options constantly given to you with no work still makes the game easier
I played ORAS probably a few weeks after playing Emerald and it was noticably easier. And I never used EXP share, or grinded, at all.
>>25508804
>I played ORAS probably a few weeks after playing Emerald and it was noticably easier
You didn't Johnny.
If you want to play a hard pokemon game, go playSMT
>>25508828
Word.
Pokemon isn't even meant to have even a semi difficult main game as evidenced by the japanese fan outcry at gen 4.
It's solely meant to be a casual game you experience with friends.
>>25508838
>as evidenced by the japanese fan outcry at gen 4
What? Did nips get lost in Sinnoh?
>>25508846
Yep, they found it too "difficult".
>>25508850
Jesus, how did they ever get through Gen 2 if 4 was too much? Sinnoh didn't even have surprise Ghetsis yet either.
>>25508867
Gen 2 wasn't all too hard honestly it just had utter shit for level scaling making it a bit grindy.
>>25508804
>All these people not realising that The EXP Share
That can be turned off, so not a problem anymore.
>lower number of team members in Gym teams
Not appliable to ORAS. Also bigger number of Pokemon =/= difficulty
>more options constantly given to you with no work still makes the game easier
Then don't use them.
>I played ORAS probably a few weeks after playing Emerald and it was noticably easier.
Except it's really not.
>>25508527
it's a traditional JRPG, all Pokemon games are fucking easy because of that
the only way you could make it "hard" is if you forced the player to grind by giving them overlevelled opponents
Most of the things you're complaining about are just QoL fixes that make you waste less time on stupid shit.
>>25508850
Damn, Gen IV was actually my favorite in terms of map design. The only really bad part was how battles were so fucking slow.
>>25508975
Also
>More options are bad
The game is for kids, and there's always, ALWAYS, been Pokemon before a gym that can help you beat it. Maybe not always the route just before it, like in recent games, but still.
>>25508828
>SMT
what
>>25509003
Shin Megami Tensei, scrub.
>>25509007
Ah thanks I'm familiar with the series I just didn't get the abbreviation
>>25508989
Eh, Gen 1 didn't really have one for Brock until Yellow but the game as a whole is unbearably easy too. That said two of the three starters had an advantage and the remakes gave Charmander Metal Claw making it even easier.
>>25508979
>Implying that JRPGs can't be challenging
I have played a lot of JRPG and I can affirm that pokémon is easy, just because something is hard it doesn't mean that you need to grind, just find a good strategy and counter the key points of the enemy/boss.
>>25509016
There's technically Butterfree, but I would say that's a stretch. I would argue that the first gym doesn't really need a type advantage to win most of the time anyway.
>>25508959
I got stuck in the Kanto Radio Tower plot back in the day, but otherwise it's truly a quite straightforward game. I just don't get what people would find that specifically difficult in DPPt either.
>>25508850
japs are pathetic and stupid.
>>25509580
/int/ is the best.
>>25509580
>12pm: lunch, need two hours to hunt whale
>>25508527
>Golking
>>25509611
>/int/ is filled with proxyfags
ftfy
>>25508828
or literally any other monster collecting game
>>25510328
Please, Cyber Sleuth isn't even hard.
Disable EXP All
Use Set instead of Switch
Only use poke balls or premier balls if you feel like a bad enough dude
No using items during battles
Don't use legendaries
There. The game has some challenge again.
>b-b-b-b-b-but I shouldn't have to impose limitations on myself for a challenge!
I agree, but that's just the way things are now.
>>25510400
>I agree, but that's just the way things are now.
>Now
That's how things have always been.
Any difficulty people had is either due to their stupidity or their own imposed limitations.
>>25510425
I disagree. I recently started playing Yellow and it's definitely more difficult than the newer games. I noticed that without grinding I'm consistently at or below the level of other trainers' pokemon. In newer games, even without grinding, I'm always 3-5 levels ahead.
>>25508527
Simple.
Turn off your Pokemon Socialism device. Make all your pokemon individually level up.
If you don't like things earning stuff for nothing remember don't vote for Bernie or you in real life will be paying extra taxes to make sure all those under privileged hood rats can come shit up your colleges and reduce them to a highschool education level as well.
>>25510474
You're proving my point seeing as Yellow is the easiest of the generation 1 games.
Anyway last night I had swept the E4 and Blue with an underlevelled Parasect and for the majority of the game up until about that point I was overlevelled just from battling every trainer with no additional grind.
Difficulty was never a thing in Pokemon games.
>>25510425
>>25510543
>your le stupide XD
ebin
>>25510693
Nice rebuttal.
I'll raise you a U Wot m8
>>25508527
All the Pokemon are just a few levels too low.
See, in Gen 1 you didn't have to be at the same level as most trainers. In the beginning it helped, but as you got further it became less and less necessary. It was more about exploiting type advantages and strategic use of items rather than just flatout overpowering people, at least until the birds and Mewtwo came into the mix. It also helped that Gen 1's shit mechanics allowed for a few Pokemon to exploit them and become godlike like Tauros or Dugtrio.
Nowadays you're implored to be overleveled. You're rarely if ever challenged. I guess they figure it feels good to be overpowered? Like, it makes you feel like an awesome trainer because you're totally whooping everyone? I dunno.
>>25510749
>All the Pokemon are just a few levels too low.
Everything after Norman has been buffed.
Everything before was slightly too high in RSE
>>25510713
>expecting an actual rebuttal when all you did is call him stupid
Now this is shitposting.
I really hated how easy these games were. The worst part was how they gave you such a powerful EXP share, then sent a Gamefreak representative to your house to hold you at gunpoint to force you to use it. Almost as bad was that they just GAVE you a Latios/Latias, then sent you a threatening letter that they'd release nude photos of you on the internet if you didn't keep it in your team at all times. I mean they just made the game way too easy.
>>25510766
>Everything after Norman has been buffed.
Then why does the game still feel piss-easy, even if you don't use EXP Share or legendaries?
>>25510840
Probably because Pokemon was never hard and you're only just realising it.
>>25510840
Because you're ten years older, smarter, and more experienced with Pokemon games than when you first played RS?
>>25510796
>not calling someone stupid for finding the easiest game in the easiest generation hard
All of the cards are in your hands in generation 1, they load you up with more than enough trainers to level up on, the AI makes a baby look smart, anything that knows a sleeping move can shut down a pokemon with no issues.
There's no way to lose in a generation 1 game, even if you misclick.
>>25508684
The poochyena is meant to show you the dex nav system. It's a tutorial.
Complaining the game is handholdin when you already know what to do because it's a remake is just whining. My ten year old sister constantly asks for my help with what to do.
Another wah why doesn't GF pander to me thread.
I didn't even use Exp All and my team was in their mid 40's by Winona. It was horrible.
>>25510970
That's fairly reasonable for a pokemon game.
This was my first time completing a Hoenn game (I have Emerald but never got around to it) and I had a good time.
>>25510328
Cyber Sleuth is a terrible example. I would say it's arguably easier then ORAS, You can get through the entire game just by spamming signature attacks and healing occasionally.
>>25510992
I dont know, I just played through Red and Platinum doing the same thing and was only in my late 40's by the Elite Four.
And just for you I booted up my Sapphire cart from last year just to see my ingame team, and again, doing the same thing my team is at it's highest Level 51 and my lowest 39.
So no, it's not reasonable.
>>25511101
What were you doing that you weren't level 40 by then anon?
Did you only battle against the obligatory trainers or swapping out a lot or something?
Level 40 is fairly reasonable.
OP here, thanks for the input guys.
Guess it was a bit dumb to look for a challenge in a game aimed at 10 year olds.
I'm not a big fan of Nuzlockes, but some self imposed rules might be good.
As I said, during my current playthrough I only catch and use Pokemon I never really used before:
Minun
Golking
Breloom
Swalot
Camerupt
Masquerain
Probably going to switch out Masquerain for Doduo. And I honestly have to say that Minun isn't so bad in-game, actually starting to like him.
>>25512586
>Golking
Meant to say Seaking. Sorry, forgot its actual english name since I'm german and gave it a nickname
>>25508719
>Nah, having replayed gen 1 with the recent VC releases I can tell you it's significantly easier than gen 1.
I replayed gen 1 too. Gen 6 is still easier. Gen 1 doesn't fucking give you 350% EXP for your party after every battle and it doesn't hand you free legendaries or megas.
>but muh AI!
AI doesn't mean jack shit if you 1HKO everything with your overleveled Pokemon and megas. And it's not like the gen 6 AI is anything to write home about either.
>>25508850
Reminder that Masuda still firmly believes that Japanese players are much better than American ones.
Cause you are a 30 year old playing a little children game. We are all too old to be expecting some challenge out of a pokemon game
>>25512839
>Gen 6 is still easier. Gen 1 doesn't fucking give you 350% EXP for your party after every battle and it doesn't hand you free legendaries or megas.
Yeah instead you have a game where the Ai trainers piss experience like it's their damn birthright, a stat that breaks the game and you can abuse early on with butterfree and parasect to a degree even mega pokemon have yet to reach, criticals based on speed where the fastest pokemon go unused by the other trainers and a sleep status effect that in addition to robbing your opponent of their turns during their time sleeping takes an entire turn on its own to recover from.
Oh and Hyper Beam having no recharge if you KO the opposing pokemon.
Gen 1 is horrendously easy to a much larger degree than the gen 6 games unless you are a literal blithering retard.
Oh and about the AI, that's the thing that has the potential to make it difficult seeing as how you can at least impose some kind of limitation on yourself, with gen 1 it's always there you as the player will always be significantly stronger and smarter than the AI you're up against. And you know the best part? You can be 10 levels below your opponent and still sweep.
You nostalgiafags are utterly pathetic when up against the truth. Gen 6 isn't even hard in of itself but compared to gen 1 it's like trying to fight your way out of a gang rape.
>>25512897
This is basically the answer right here. While there have been changes to the games that may make them easier in certain ways, everybody forgets that with each new game you're older and more experienced. They're not making the games *more* difficult, so of course they seem easier to you. There are objective changes as well, but they're not the entire story.
Bottom line is that you shouldn't be playing Pokemon games expecting a challenge, you should by playing them to have fun. Competitive play, mods, setting rules for yourself, etc. can make them a challenge, but the normal games themselves? If you think they're too easy when you're playing your third, tenth, or hundredth run through the main series games, your expectations were the problem.
