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Fissure Machamp aside, are there any other broken or at least interesting possibilities now that we will finally be able to transfer RBY mons to current gen?
Eviolite Chansey with Counter could be kind of fun.
Tri-Attack Chansey is a thing, but it'll be gimmicky as all hell.
>>25377293
Mega Kick Mega Kangaskhan could be nice, although
>75% accuracy
Bubblebeam Jynx
>>25377293
Seismic Toss Kanga is easier to obtain, although it's not strictly necessary as Mega Kanga actually has decent Attack.
But still, guaranteed 100-200 damage (depending on your level) ain't nothing to sneeze at.
Assuming that GSC gets released eventually, you've also got some 250-odd Pokemon who can learn Curse all of a sudden.
>>25377406
That's already a thing
>>25377697
bulky megamom with seismic toss is pretty fucking good
>>25377293
On a more in game practical level, Pay Day being everywhere.
>>25377622
Already had Water Pulse access. It's moveset is already so packed as is between Lovely Kiss, Nasty Plot, Ice STAB, Substitute/Protect, possible Focus Blast/Psychic coverage that there's no Gen 1 move that'd really add to it.
If GF wants to make tons of cash from competitive players buying RGBY for moves, there has to be at least one thing worth buying it for.
All signs point to it being Kangaskhan. Maybe for a new Kanto Mega that will be introduced in SUMO as well. I doubt it would be Machamp, there likely gonna nerf Fissure or No Guard.
>>25377622
Why are people hyped about bubble beam?
>>25378870
Kangaskhan already had a prevalent mega. What else does it fucking need?
>>25378918
>Kangaskhan already had a prevalent mega. What else does it fucking need?
They can easily make it more OP with a move like Body Slam. That would mean 2 chances at 30% rate to paralyze opponent.
>>25377293
How does Fissure Machamp work? Does he get Lock On in a later gen or something?
>>25379300
NO GUARD
O
G
U
A
R
D
>>25378870
>SUMO
>>25378893
It's 5 points stronger than Water Pulse and has a 10% speed drop chance.
It's really not that much better.
>>25378968
Yeah and this is okay but NG+F is somehow inconceivable and needs a nerf even though khan is already a centralizer
>>25378870
>wanting to buff kangaskhan more
Fuck off
>>25379368
Holy shit, what the fuck were they thinking. Haha. Cool.
Man, I am not used to abilities being good. Back when I played, most of them were complete crap or just boring utility.
>>25379649
I don't think gen I has abilities and they might get rid of the ability capsule in gen 7 just to avoid this meme
>>25378968
Kangaskhan already gets body slam from gen 3 tutors
>>25377293
Whirlwind zapdos might be useful. The other birds could be useful with whirlwind, too. But it seems like zapdos will get the best use of it.
>>25379709
So what's the fucking point of letting us transfer? This is literally the only one worth all the effort
>>25379859
It already gets Roar, doesn't it?
>>25379981
Oh wow, it does. I guess whirlwind is slightly better, because of soundproof, but there's still really not much of a point.
Mimic. Mimic on everything.
>yfw as an incentive to port from gen 1, all gen 1 pokemon ported from the VC to Bank come with their hidden abilities
Kangaskhan w/ Fly due to M glitch.
Will that have any practical benefit?
How are genders/natures going to be determined? At random?
I'd really hate to bond with a Machamp and then have it turn out to be female once traded up to Sun/Moon.
How are IVS and EVS going to work? How is the transfer going to work? Natures?
>>25383909
It will have the practical benefit of letting you know that pokebank has at least some very rudimentary glitch checks in place. Pretty sure illegal movesets have not made it through bank since release.
>>25384874
Can't wait for people's "bros" to transfer over and be female, or their gen 1 waifus to transfer over and have a dick.
>>25384978
this
maybe the Pokemon will just be randomized upon transfer? same as encountering a wild mon or an egg hatching?
>>25384874
Genders? Either the same way they were in GSC (based on DVs) or at random. Natures will probably be random too.
>>25384978
DVs are a 16-number scale (0-15), and IVs are a 32-number scale (0-31). They can probably just double them and call it a day. EVs don't really translate well, so they'll probably reset to 0.
>>25385081
>>25384874
That's why I'm giving all my pokemon gender neutral nicknames.
>>25377496
>Tri Attack
>Serene Grace
>STAB, 40% of random status
wew
>>25385081
>gen 1 waifus
Jynx? That's a good reason why Gen I still holds up, no furries or cancerous shit like Gothitelle.
>>25383733
Yeah this makes complete sense, as RBY pokemon can now potentially have an ability as soon as it's transferred, it could be argued that they already do have abilities. Abilities that are literally hidden
>>25385193
There's like, Ninetales.
>>25385193
There are definitely furries who are into the eeveelutions and Ninetales.
>>25384978
EVs existed in RBY.
IVs didn't, but it'll probably be randomized.
>>25385194
If this happens, No Guard Fissure can never happen unless they made a Hidden Ability Capsule
>>25381006
that has been already a thing since fr/lg
>>25385193
>eevee
>ninetails
>arcanine
>mew
>mewtwo
>Dragonite
>Charizard
Right, no furries
Also
>Gen 1
>holding up
>>25385259
wut
IVs existed, they were 2x as effective, and the limit on the was 1/2 what it was for gen III+
They were called 'determined values'
>>25377293
METRONOME ELECTIVIRE
METRONOME MAGMORTAR
GET HYPE
>>25377293
flareon
>>25385321
Already planning to give my electabuzz metronome, bruh
>>25378968
Body Slam Kang was legal in one battle spot season and it no one used it, Secret Power is better anyway since it avoids Rocky Helmet
Does the Mew glitch still work? If it does get ready for a fuckton of Mews flooding everywhereI'm fine with that actually
>>25377406
Reflect is better
>>25385365
>get ready for a fuckton of Mews flooding everywhere
yeah because they didnt just spend an entire month distributing about 10 million of them. Literally 10 million.
>Walk into gamestop
>buy some atlus shit
Hey take these 2 mew cards
See ya
>go to gamestop again
>friend at the counter
>hey here have a mew co-- Oh you have some, k.
>>25385321
Metronome everything
>>25378893
Gives Nidos a Water type move.
is there anything cool you can do with Kingler in Gen 1 cause I'm about to make this trash crab an HM slave
>>25384874
Just think of them as a reverse trap anon
>>25386555
Crabhammer is basically always a crit. His special is still shit though
>>25377293
Thunderwave Articuno.
Transfer over so it can be a singles stall bird with Thunderwave, Bubblebeam, Roost and Ice Beam
>>25386630
On the real though this motherfucker had 88 Attack at level 28 while my leveled team's highest was 75, so he's pretty much the best HM Slave i've ever used with Cut and Strength
>>25386685
I'm always surprised when I look back at how many strong/bulky/speedy pokemon there were in Gen1. Every once in a while I'll just see/remember that a pokemon has 130bp in a given stat that I completely forgot about. Like Kingler, or Rhydon, or Mr. Mime, or Electrode.
>>25384874
Just gonna use Action Replay to right these wrongs
>>25385193
>Gothitelle
>cancerous
Really? Out of all of the extremely popular waifu-bait pokemon, you choose the one humanoid pokemon that most people don't give a single fuck about?
>>25385365
It does, but a lot of people have Mew (a lot of hacked on the GTS) from the Mew event.
Wait, what ? you can actually trade POkémon from R/B to next gen games ? Isn't the data stored in a completely different way ?
Is Fissue Machamp the new Mega Swampert?
>55 base speed
>cucked by every Flying type ever
>needs Scarf to hit stuff before getting murdered
>needs to lock itself into Stone Edge or Ice Punch against said fliers and levitators, which leaves him underpowered against everything else
It's definitely very far from bad, but it'll still be a niche option in official metas. Fissure hitting both opponent slots is not bad in doubles, but it also hits your own second slot, limiting your options.
GSC had that fail safe where you couldn't transfer back pokemon with newer moves. Is there any chance GF will ban certain moves from being sent over instead of adapting move sets?
>>25387195
You were still allowed to send back any moves that were in gen 1
>>25387062
Fissure is single target
>>25383733
That's no fucking incentive
>>25377293
>to current gen
None
gen 7 only
>>25385269
Or make fissure an eggmove, SM is a new gen after all
>>25387055
Did you even watch the direct?
>>25384874
Machamp has no physical gender differences. Or do you have problems with imagining dicks and pussies on your pokemon?
>>25387603
Japan is being Japan again i see. I bet female charizards wear pink aprons and accidentally burn dinner for their business man husbands in Japan too.
>>25387342
>yfw as an incentive to port from gen 1, all gen 1 pokemon ported from the VC to Bank come with their brand new super hidden abilities
Died on floor 5 to a Glameow. Everything hit really hard.
Very low starting stats, good levelups. Starts with Ember and the high PP Scratch, but gets no other attacking moves until level 14. Too weak to do much.
>>25385269
No Guard is its regular ability along with Guts
>>25388260
Shit, didn't read the previous posts, ignore me
See
>>25338506
If its 404'd see http://pastebin.com/uWBtF8FC instead
>>25386444
Surf
>>25386630
Is there anything that can learn Crab hammer and Focus Energy? Or can you only get to 50% crit?
>>25388372
>focus energy in gen 1
anon, we need to talk
>>25388366
sheer force and life orb I guess
>Fissure No Guard
>at least interesting
None of you fucks play on Battle Spot anyway.
What about Fly/Sky Attack Kangaskhan?
>>25384874
I will just fix any subpar characteristics
>Get my Lapras and teach it Solarbeam
>It's DVs are shit
JUST
>>25378870
Masuda already said he would look into nerfing Megamom.
OHKO moves are exempt from No Guard. Why don't more people know this?
>>25391072
Because it's not true, many people have hacked sheer cold onto mega-pidgeot and it hits 100%
>>25391072
>Have no guard sheer cold Ninjask in gen 4/5.
>It hits every time.
>>25378870
>there likely gonna nerf Fissure or No Guard.
Hopefully not.
Machamp has been undeservingly unviable for a long time. It's time for Machamp to rise to the top as is right.
>>25377697
Sadly not that great, because it's damage output is so huge already
>>25391153
As much as I love Machamp and would love the prospect of Machamp being more viable in the next gen, No Guard Fissure becoming a legitimate thing would be dreadfully stupid
>>25386978
It's because they're a Gardefag
>>25391237
No Guard Fissure wouldn't even be that broken. No different from Talonflame priority one shotting most pokemon.
>>25391237
It won't even OU because of Bravest Bird
>>25391320
Why is anyone even pretending Machamp will become OU after Fissure? OHKO moves are banned under normal Smogon rules anyway, so who cares?
>>25391301
except it's Machamp instantly killing all but a select number of Pokemon
>>25391301
Choice Scarf 252 speed
>>25391866
>see this
>instantly know he'll use Fissure
>switch to flying/levitate
Seems pretty workable.
>>25392061
>Machamp used Stone Edge
>>25392061
>he switches or >>25392099 and kill flying/levitate
>sweep your whole team
>>25391553
Mono, AG, basically relevance against the newer mons with better stats, pools, abilities, typing
>Kadabra can learn Dig in Gen 1
The possibilities are endless
Pay Day was a TM in Gen 1.
MAKE IT RAIN
>>25392099
>Skarmory/Bronzong eat that shit up.
>>25387055
>double the IV to shift it from the 0-15 range to the 0-31 range, maybe add 1 to some stats on an arbitrary basis
>generate a PID, less and less shit depends on it with each generation
>use that to determine a gender and nature, maybe use the attack IV, who knows
It would be easy as shit, we aren't on the GBA anymore. I don't know why /vp/ keeps finding the prospect so unbelievable.
>>25387900
yeah ugh just ugh its just toxic that the huge bodybuilder pokemon with pecs would be male
>>25392508
>Skarmory
>VGC
>>25392099
And now you can't use Fissure, gj
>>25377944
Obtaining money has never been an issue since gen I, where at some point all you had left were Pay Day and the Elite 4. And Pay Day is a hassle if you need a lot of money, e.g. to buy TMs.
So nearly useless as a transfer move.
>>25393163
Pay Day is just a fun little move, so it'd be cool to have a Pokemon that normally doesn't get it with Pay Day.
>>25393063
>VGC
>mattering
Even better, I want to see that meta burn even harder. Go Champ, expand their anal fissures even more.
>>25385193
Bruh, the Eeveelutions to this day are still some of the most popular with furries. Also Gothitelle, really?
Are there any dope builds you can do with Reflect?
I know there's a load of Pokemon in Gen 1 that can learn it through TM. Venusaur and Slowbro for instance.
What would be the best Fissure Machamp set?
>>25393063
It could happen some day. Granted not if the future is anything like it is now, but there could be a paradigm shift or ruleset change.
>>25393609
Everybody's saying Scarf but I think a few would go AV for bulk or even Focus Sash
Gengar can learn Thunder in Gen 1, you think that might be real?
>>25393794
It can learn thunder in gen 6, too
>>25391553
desu they should totally allow it if the combination becomes legal. Not even their stupid hax argument holds up to it.
>>25393527
Reflect Tentacruel
