>GameFreak is STILL making models with way too many polygons
It seems the frame rate drops are here to stay
>>25341881
Japanese Maya, holy shit. Looks good to me, mix between gen 5 and 6
>>25341840
New favorite birdmon. After skipping gen 6 I'm ready to enjoy a new set of Pokemon.
>>25341840
Maybe, just maybe, it will be optimized in New3DS to maintain 60fps in 3D mode
>>25341840
Bitch all you want. They'll still make millions off of Sun and Moon.
>>25342306
Forget it. The games are clearly rushed, even more so than XY already were
>>25342591
>at least 2 years of dev time
>rushed
>>25342359
>why don't you eat shit anon? millions of flies can't be wrong
>>25342591
>just announced
>clearly rushed
Why don't you just fuck off then if everything is shit
>>25342615
They didn't even have a fucking boxart ready. You could see the game is still in concept stage. Even ORAS reveal did and that game was developed in just 1 year.
>>25341840
Since it's a new gen there's a chance that GF will have developed a better engine or at least implemented a function to reduce to polygons in game, while using better textures to prevent fps drops without dropping the aesthetic
>>25342615
2 years is not a much
>>25342652
So what have they been doing since oras came out?
>>25342652
>what they show at the trailer is all they have done!
Yeah, they totally only started working on SunMoon 3 days ago.
Why is it so hard for you morons to understand that maybe, just maybe they don't want to spill the beans from the get-go?
>b-b-but Gen 6 trailer
Literally every other pokémon only had cover art reveal months after the game's existence was confirmed
kill yourself
>>25342652
They're not showing the boxart for a reason you fucking retard. There's going to be new legendaries they're not giving up yet for the sake of hype.
>>25342721
this
>>25341840
It's a turn based RPG, not fucking Counter Strike. Framerate literally doesn't matter.
>>25342210
don't, gen 7 is just gonna be gen 6 2.0. Gen 8 will come out in two years most likely which will be on the NX which might actually be good.
>>25342814
I personally like the look of higher framerates, but that's just me
>>25342814
A STABLE lower framerate is fine. Stuttering frame rates are just eyesores.
>>25342814
If your options for graphics are "shitty" and "almost as shitty but with terrible framerate", guess which one you should choose?And then guess which one developers choose every fucking time
At least they'll be good models
>>25342949
CoD of all games goes for 60 FPS.
Too bad the same can't be said for racing games.
>>25342718
Developing Z, which, looking how things turned out, they were forced to scrap around mid 2015. By late 2015 they were already working on a new game, but didn't have much planned out yet, so they just gave us a heads up that they're working on... something.
I mean holy shit, a new gen developed in under a year with no problems of gen 6 fixed in any way because lol3DS, can you imagine it? The hype train is going to crash so hard it will make ORAS one look like a Fisher Price toy in comparision.
>not playing with N3DS clockspeeds and L2 cache enabled
>>25342814
>It's a turn based RPG, not fucking Counter Strike. Framerate literally doesn't matter.
This. They should just do away with graphics altogether and make it a text based game. It's not like that would change the mechanics of the games at all, right?
>>25342721
They didn't start working on it 3 days ago but they don't have much done at the same time. I'd say they probably only 3-4 months in development. See >>25342721
>>25342727
>not showing new legendaries is hype
That's not how it works moron. Everyone was screaming the Direct was a massive disappointment because it didn't show anything we didn't know before.
>>25343068
Already tried. It helps jack shit.
>>25343028
>source: my gaping asshole
>>25343138
Hate to be that guy but honestly it works fine for me. XY still runs like shit occasionally for some reason, but ORAS is smooth as fuck (which is weird because I would have figured they'd run on the same engine).
>>25342814
While this is true, there's no real reason why a Pokemon game should stutter this much. The genre isn't exactly intensive, yet you get severe framedrops whilst you play it in 2D. Meanwhile games like Smash 3DS and Kid Icarus: Uprising have a huge amount of action going on and they're pretty much perfectly stable even with 3D on.
>>25343139
Source: the shit-ass Direct we had today. LITERALLY not even a box art was shown. These are going to be the most rushed games in the history of the franchise.
>>25341840
Maybe they're going to have separate models with a lower polygon count for the OG 3DS?
>>25343120
>I'm making wild assumptions and you can't stop me
XY was in development for 3 years according to GF. They announced it like 9 months before release. You have no evidence at ALL that they only started working on it a few weeks ago or that the concept footage shown was their actual point
Also, the logos WERE leaked. They were supposed to not be know. The direct was shit because the content was leaked beforehand. If we were not aware of the trademarks it would have been hype af
>>25343166
Not sure about Kid Icarus but Smash 3DS uses low poly models so it's not a valid comparision. Also it runs like shit in multiplayer mode, even worse than XY with 3D on.
>>25343174
Show me pokémon games other than XY that had their box art shown on initial reveal
I'll wait
>>25343186
This is gamefreak we're talking about. They literally copy and paste stuff from one game to another, they would bother doing two sets of models.
>>25343247
>they would bother doing two sets of models.
they would never*
>>25343216
Black and White
>>25341840
>hey guys look at me I'm a fucking idiot
They make the hi-res models and then downgrade them with LOD versions for the consoles.
The super hi-res models are used for promotional art and trailers.
>>25343287
Reshiram and Zekrom were officially revealed 28 May 2010. The first GF announcent about BW was January 29 2010
Idiot
>>25341840
>not owning a New Nintendo 3DS XL™ with built-in amiibo™ functionality to enjoy the full experience of Pokémon™ Sun & Moon™ and accompanying line of Pokémon™ amiibo™
>>25343216
XY didn't have boxes shown on it's initial revealnot like they needed to with that hype as fuck trailer
ORAS did but it also shown jack shit compared to XY
Other games shown stuff their own way, mostly starting with showcasing new important Pokemon (Zoroark, Munchlax/Lucario, Giratina-O, Kyurem forms), then going right into the gameplay trailer/screenshots. Here we literally just got fucking logos and some concept art, which heavily implies the game is still very early into the development.
>>25342652
Boxart is usually one of the last things that gets done anon.
>>25343427
Once again, baseless claims
BW's first sign of life was the Zoroark silhouette. How is that somehow more advanced than footage of a modeler applying textures to a finished model?
What you fags have to understand once and for all is that initial teasers are not indicative of the progress by any means. The only relevant information being the logos only indicates GF is going with a more minimal approach on the hyping of SunMoon
What do you think GF has beein doing since 2014 anyway, just waving their dicks on the office?
>>25342210
>new favorite
>doesn't even know what it looks like yet
You're the kind of guy who's actually influenced by commercials on TV, aren't you?
>>25343508
Its an excuse so neckbeards can say HURR DURR RUSHED when they dont like the game when it comes out
>>25341840
I'm not an autist that specifically looks out for every single frame drop, and sperg out whenever it happens.
So, I don't care.
It doesn't ruin these games for me in any way what-so-ever.
>>25343721
I'll give Sun and Moon the benefit of the doubt with last year not having any mainline releases, but that direct was still pretty uninteresting outside of the Virtual Console+Pokebank compatibility
You'd think with Pokemon News they'd talk more about Magearna and what type it was, but it seems like playing the game in Chinese was more important
>>25343756
>implying frame drops are that tiny
The game lags like fuck on a Trevenant horde. The games lags like fuck watching Mega Charizard X or Mega Blaziken on the dex
Stop advocating mediocrity
>>25343809
No. I hope they don't even bother fixing it just to spite FPS autists
I especially don't want some N3DS feature that fixes it
>>25343799
It seemed like more of a commemorative direct than one meant to seriously convey news. It's the anniversary, after all; it makes sense that they'd go chiefly for sentimentality. Give it a week or two and the real information will start trickling through.
how do they do it
>>25343756
this is me
>>25343756
oh, so your standards are just low. congratulations on not being autistic, that would be simply terrible!
>>25344164
GOD THAT GAME LOOKS SO GOOD!
>>25344164
wait what is this
Monhun rpg?
>>25345119
Yes, for 3ds. Announced for Japan onry at the moment.
>>25343302
People extracted the combat models and they had an unnecessary amount of polygons.
>>25343756
>>25342359
>this passive agressive butthurt
Did OP rape your mothers or something?
>>25342615
XY had more than that and they were garbage.
>>25344164
Capcom aren't complete retards at programming and MT Framework is a wonderful engine.
>>25346163
Future proofing son. They'll be using these models for the next handheld as well.
>>25347602
For all eternity, I bet.
>>25343139
i kekd.
never change, /vp/, never change.
>actually using the 3ds while playing pokemons
there is literally no reason to do that
>>25341906
>not knowing what Maya is
Retard
>>25341840
>>GameFreak is STILL making models with way too many polygons
>It seems the frame rate drops are here to stay
Just buy a new 3DS senpai
>>25345119
>>25345282
THis is what i wanted Monhun to be when i first heard of it. instead, we're just getting an offline 3rd-person adventure where you can't jump.
>>25342949
That's because framerates don't sell games.
>>25344164
This made me literally spit coffee everywhere. What the fuck is this?
>>25348490
monhun for kids
>>25348490
Turn-based Monster Hunter RPG where you raise Monsters, and still wear them as clothes.
>>25343799
>anon's fat opinion is more important than one billion Chinese
>>25348523
Please, what is this, is it called Rathian?
>>25343120
>I already saw this yesterday so GF should have altered their Direct to show me, specifically, more stuff
If would have been something you didn't know if Europoors didn't fuck up hard and leak the logos.
>>25348638
Rathian is the green wyvern. The game is Monster Hunter Stories.
>everybody in this thread who has no idea what the fuck they're talking about
Tri-count (not polycount) is important, yes, but it's often the last reason for framrate drop. Shaders and poor coding is what truly impacts framrate. A shader with 500+ functions is going to lag the game more than a model with a mere 4k tri count (from what I've seen, the average in X/Y). So will poorly optimized coding.
There's often no more than four models on screen at once. On average, that's 16k tris, which is absolutely nothing even for the 3ds. The lag we saw in X/Y is more likely caused by their toon shader and horrible coding. If we're being honest, GF doesn't have the best record when it comes to coding. Their subpar coding is almost notorious.
>source: veteran of game industry both for mobile (phone) and console games
>>25342652
it's not being relased for another 10 months lole....
>>25343120
holy fuck you are retarded and delusional. go back to /v/
I wouldn't care if they were high poly if their designs warranted it. But with the simplistic geometry and the shaders these games use, you could literally drop that by half and it would still look great.
>>25348787
Not with the artstyle they're going with.
That high polycount is essential for getting smooth lines from any angle and also for toon/cell based lighting.
>>25344164
>some no name game looks like this
>meanwhile Pokemon,a massive multi-billion dollar franchise looks like absolute shit and still manages to have huge framerate drops
pottery
>>25348843
Bush Smash 3DS is lower poly cel shaded and it looks fine.
>>25348851
>monhun
>no name game
are you joking?
>>25348867
Smash's models have tons of sharp edges and in no way look similar to the smooth, cell shaded models in Pokemon. Not to mention SSB stages themselves take up a lot more resources than a Pokemom battle stage does and there's usually more characters on screen + items and other affects. With Pokemon, there's only four (six at the max) Pokemon on screen doing an idle animation. They can afford the "extra" tris.
As stated above (>>25348723
), tri-count basically means jack shit at this point for framerate. I could make a scene with four tris that lags worse than one with 100k.
In short, learn what the fuck you're talking about.
The overworld will also be that way now
Buy a N3DS for consistent 30fps
>>25343373
>New Nintendo 3DS XL™
>XL
>not Animal Crossing N3DS with faceplates that are guaranteed to improve frame rates, lengthen battery life, and pull mad bitches
You are already pleb
>>25348851
>no name
>literally the CoD of handhelds in japan
>>25348723
As someone who's in multimedia development, I can tell you right now you don't even need to be in the field to know gamefreak's issue boils all the way down to programming.
Pokemon X and Y runs like shit while Kingdom Hearts 3D and Monster Hunter 3/4 are fine and stable.
>>25341906
I think I know what 3D software I want now.
>>25349312
I'm a software engineer, and I can attest to this. Other games look better than gen 6, yet they also run better. Even though they've made some of my favorite games, Gamefreak really isn't a good developer in the technical sense. At all. I've done rom hacking. It's a mess, especially the gameboy games. Oh my God.
>>25341840
>GameFreak
I thought it was Creatures making the models and GameFreak doesn't get the message to scale shit the fuck down.
>>25349371
So it's just shitty engines and programming problems?
>>25350018
Yes which is bizarre because it's not like they couldn't get assistance with it since they are partially owned by nintendo. Just hire people from level 5 to help like they did with bandai and smash bros.
>>25350060
It's like they don't even know how to make their own engine do what they want without making even the most basic shit feel like workarounds. Like having to say "no" to everything BUT the item or action you want because what the fuck is a GUI even.
>>25350934
In fact, I bet if the original Game Freak magazine had been a website instead, they'd be the types to just cram all the style elements into the header, the fucking savages.
>>25341840
>there will never be another 60fps pokemon game again
HG on x432r is the best we're getting
>>25343836
are you literally retarded?
>>25348885
This particular game is simply a spin-off, not part of the main series
>>25343017
CoD goes to 144 on my machine
