>physical Electric type
>>24957153
As long Shitchu keeps Lightning Volt for itself, no other physical eletric type outside of this guy in ubers will be good.
But seriously now...
WHY THE FUCK IS VOLT TACKLE STILL EXCLUSIVE TO PIKACHU'S LINE? FUCK
>>24957153
>bulky Ice type
>>24957153
>sand force
>>24957153
What's the lineup for that? Electivire, Zekrom, Zebstrika, Luxray, and Eelektross?
Wow, that's sad. Only Zekrom can remotely be considered good. Luxray is just okay and Electivire is better off mixed.
>>24957153
>Special Fighting types
>>24957153
>fighting type
>shit speed
>good special defense
>>24957153
>Wild Charge (<--- hit this 90% of the time)
>Flame Charge
>Double Kick/Pursuit
>uhhhhhh Bounce filler
just fuck my shit up
>Physical sweeper without coverage
>>24957254
Pure Steel type is its first problem
>>24957218
You're dumb. Luxray is the worst of them all. The others at least have a niche while Luxray absolutely has no viable sets.
>mono fire types
>Mono-grass with no non-grass coverage
>>24957196
those zebras have an alternative don't they? Is that not good enough?
I don't play pokemon
>>24957284
It'd have a better alternative if it actually got physical moves stronger than 50BP.
>Special attacker rock
>>24957254
>special sweeper without coverage or a boosting move
>Special ground
>>24957327
>being too similar to another pokemon but worse
>>24957334
special grounds are whats in right now. nidos have speed issues but are otherwise great, and landorus is fantastic
SpA Landorus T is the most hilarious thing to pull out. Lando I and physical LandoT are superior but it's anti-meta like that bulky Zard X set.
>>24957216
T-thanks GF for giving my bro Steelix a great Mega...
>>24957221
Wouldn't be such a problem if GF didn't want Shit Distribution Sphere to stand up for its name.
>>24957254
Klinklang is pretty much the the worst case of "no coverage" there is. As far as I know, it's the only physical Steel-type that doesn't get any useful Rock or Ground moves. Even Durant gets both Rock Slide and Stone Edge. You know you're fucked when you have to rely on Return for coverage.
>>24957334
That would be the shit with the right tools. Good Special Attack and Speed and access to Earth Power and Dazzling Gleam for great coverage.
>>24957404
>access to Earth Power
The Power Gem of Ground type moves, good news for all 8 of them
>levitate + flying type
>specially defensive ice
>flygon
>fairy
>>24957153
>ability 1: levitate
>ability 2: n/a
>>24958422
>what is Eelektross
>>24957292
Aurorus. How come it can't learn Power Gem yet Probopass can?
>Slow as fuck sweepers with paper thin defenses
>230 Def + Filter/Solid Rock + no recovery besides Rest
>Physical Ghost Type
>Can't learn Shadow Claw despite having claws
>>24957218
>Luxray is just okay
lel
>electivire
Is really goodin NUwithlow BPcoverage moves and passable mixed attacking.
>Zekrom
Oh gee I wonder
>Zebstrika
Sanic. This alone gives it a niche.
>Luxray
It has guts, it can't even use it because it has no good moves. It's like electivire but worse.
>Eelektross
Best of all of them that isn't a legend. Jack of all trades master of none.
>>24957221
All two of them (keldeo/lucario) are pretty good.
>>24957232
Volt switch, it has 80 spa and volt switch is a good utility.
>>24957278
But anon, lilligant has dream eater! That's all it should ever need, right?!!?
>>24957334
It works
t. landorus-i
>>24958414
>specially defensive ice
I think you mean
>defensive ice
>>24958422
Every fucking time.
>>24958828
Nigga being a physical ghost was the first thing it did wrong.
>Best move is shadow claw
>the slash clone
Fucked up.
>>24957206
Fuck you Avalugg is good.
>>24958870
>>24958549
>Eelektross is a good pokemon.
Is the meme still ongoing in 2016 /vp/?
>Water/Rock
>>24958928
I said it was the best of those, not that it's good.
It's shit. Just less shit than those.
>>24958928
Assvest and the RU meta made it RU actually, so better than NU like last gen.
>>24957206
mamoswine's actually really good, but granted that's mostly because Ice/Ground is a beautiful offensive STAB combination.
>>24959036
Plus he has priority.
>>24957334
All of the ones that can outspeed Rhyperior are decent.
>>24957206
They keep doing this shit, they keep giving defensive roles to a type that has only one resistance (itself) and 4 (common) weaknesses and no immunities or resistances to any of the common hazards.
Why Gamefreak, why do you loathe the ice-type?
>>24958549
a perfect example of what im talking about
a non-levitate ability as an HA would help to increase variance and thus usability
>>24957153
>Ice/Dragon
>"bulky" mon with 4x weakness to water
>Fairy Type
>>24957289
Wild charge and spark?
>>24957153
>slow rock/ice rock/fire rock/water rock/ground rock/steel
actually wait
>rock
>>24959968
triggered
Weather nerf was the final nail. Now it needs a bug immunity to even be worth anything.
u-turn would berattled
>>24957153
>Bug
>>24958917
>Avalugg
>Good
>Pansear used Ember!
>focus blast
>>24959504
You have to be careful. Ice is one of the best offensive types so a good Ice type might be too much to handle. Then again gamefreak made the best two defensive types, ghost and steel, into fucking aegislash so they probably don't know what restraint is.
>>24960069
>Weavile is literally the only good ice type in the game
>if wasn't even that good last gen and owes most of it's success this gen to knock off
There's nothing particularly scary about actually offensively oriented ice types, especially since there are attacking types better than it that simultaneously aren't shit defensively.
>>24960091
sure lets play ball, here's a hypothetical good ice type.
Ice/Electric
Sheer force/Serene grace
HP:90
atk: 60
def: 60
spa: 130
spd: 90
spe: 125
Name your switchin.
>>24958828
>literally the only grass type with access to flamethrower
>no special attack
>>24960070
>running anything but mirror coat
>2015+1
FOOL IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO KILL EVERYTHING
>>24960127
Rotom-H.While obviously I do see your point, "special attacker with sheer force and complementary STABs and high speed" is already extremely busted regardless of what types you gave it aside from say bug or poison. We saw this with Lando-I. I hardly think this proves the point that offensive ice types in particular would be hard to balance and restraint has to be put into them.
>>24960091
I'd love to see a good Ice type. I'd be scared but it's better than another generic dragon. That there are so many Dragon, Flying and Ground types around shows how bad Ice types are and how much a good one is needed.
>>24960145
Just remember the only reason weavile isn't completely fucking busted is because it has no good physical ice move. Icicle crash is 85 BP with shaky accuracy.
And also remember there no ice type with over 100 speed and special attack at the same time.
>>24960149
>icicle crash is 85bp
Literally only 5 bp, or an eighteenth less than ice beam, with a 30% chance to flinch on one of the game's fastest pokemon. Icicle crash is perfectly accurate.
>>24960161
>accurate
ADEQUATE* FUCK
I know icicle crash is 90 accuracy.
>>24960161
90 accuracy is shit and fucks you over far too much.
Also
>comparing the innacurate move to the accurate special one
>not comapring it to the also inaccurate special move
Ice punch is 15 bp less
>pure ghost
>mega gets shitload of attack AND prankster
While it could be
>shitload of attack and ability thats a good addition
>prankster and some defencive stats
Pick one
>>24960176
90% accuracy and 70% accuracy aren't comparable.
>>24960178
>covered in zippers
>no steel subtype
>>24960181
1/10 miss chance and 3/10 miss chance aren't that far away from eachother. At least there are ways to offset blizzard.
>>24960050
>Avalugg's Sturdy!
>Avalugg used Mirror Coat!:^)
>>24960069
pretty sure Aegislash is the entire reason for Steel's nerf
>>24960069
Take a look at Mawile. Best type combo defensively and it even has Huge Power as a Mega.
>>24957153
>Physical Electric type.
>Physical Fairy type.
>Physical Psychic type.
>Physical Ghost type.
All disgusting.
>>24957196
I use Zekrom and Electivire both as special attackers, I don't care how shit it is I wont be able to like them as physical attackers.
>>24961270
>Physical Electric type
Good ones: N/A lol
>Physical Fairy type
Good ones: Azumarill, Mawile/Mega Mawile
>Physical Psychic type
Good ones: Medicham/Mega Medicham, Metagross/Megagross, Gallade/Mega Gallade
>Physical Ghost type
Good ones: N/A lol (Although the most common Aegislash set is Special-Oriented Mixed Attacker, which most of the times its only Special move is Shadow Ball, then it has to use Shadow Sneak a lot. That makes it part Physical Attacker too.)
>>24961735
>good physical fairies
>doesn't include slurpuff
>>24961750
Gets horribly fucked by burritos though.
>>24959526
>Eelektross's HA
If Game Freak gave Eelektross a Hidden Ability it would be Infiltrator
>>24961735
They might be good but I just hate the idea of physical attackers from those types.
>>24960183
That would probably put him in a better situation, especially if he could also learn some good physical steel moves.
>>24957153
bulky, defensive Pokemon with SR weakness and no recovery
>>24961750
Slurpuff is a decent Physical Attacker, but as a Physical Fairy type it's just horrible and outclassed by Azumarill, which has STAB priority and Huge Power.
Slurpuff is faster thanks to Unburden, but it doesn't mean anything when Azumarill has STAB priority and both have Belly Drum.
>>24961780
It would probably end up beingstatic
>>24960057
I just want good coverage, stop missing damnit!
>>24959929
it's great defensevily
>>24960037
Heracross megahorn /w guts
good luck switching in bar a quad resist
>>24963278
and I forgot toxic orb
