>tfw ash might lose to alain or sawyer in the kalos league
>kalos league
>>24906524
ash is literally the WORST trainer out there. Every time he gets a decent pokemon he releases it.
I dont even know if he has won any gym badges, has he?
>>24906540
i think he got 7 in kalos already
also, he still has frog cause who needs slime dragon
>>24906546
Greninja, Noivern, Talonflame, and Hawlucha are all pretty good. If he'd just release his worthless Pikachu already he'd have a decent ensemble.
>>24906569
>worthless
>defeated Dragonite, Latios, and casually blew up a building in the Hoopa movie
>>24906569
>If he'd just release his worthless Pikachu already he'd have a decent ensemble.
His Pikachu is stronk as fuck
but seriously
>caring about the anime
>>24906613
Pikachu is NU.
>>24906624
So's your dick, but that doesn't stop you from holding on to it.
>>24906640
Pikachu isn't a penis. It's a shitmon that should've been left in Kanto.
>>24906540
>le ash sucks meme
Can this meme finally fucking die?
Ash has:
>Saved the WORLD by making mewtwo realize how much of an edgelord he was being
>Is the Chosen One or some shit and is pals with fucking Lugia
>His Charizard pretty much stalemated Entei, beat Articuno, Blastoise, and nearly erupted a volcano with a seismic toss
>also his Bayleef oneshotted a god damn scizor with razor leaf of all things
>his other grass type Sceptile defeated Darkrai single-handedly, i mean come on no one else did shit
>Has fucking aura powers
>Saved the world from both a monstrous groudon clone and a wishmaker
>befriended an ayylmao
>is friends with the literal god of Pokemon
>On good terms with an otherworldly dark beast, a time lord dragon and a space manipulating penishead
>Rode a mega Lati into battle and commanded a shiny Mega Fug
>Beat the Orange League and Battle Frontier
>Placed well in all leagues, circumstances considered
>>24906692
your point? ash was gifted by birth the ability to do cool shit, but he is still a shit trainer.
>>24906707
Red, for example, is circlejerked everywhere while Ash is constantly shit on, when Red hasn't even accomplished half of what Ash has done.
>>24906728
That's because Ash is a faggot.
>>24906729
No more than a clumsy mary sue faggot Red is
>>24906728
that is fair I mean sure red hasnt flown a dragon into space. but he beat the pokemon league and thats something ash hasnt been able to do in over 15 years.
>>24906752
That's nice, but can he beat Madara Uchiha?
>>24906752
True, but consider:
>Red fought his rival, someone he knew well and could easily exploit weaknesses
>Blue himself was likely full of himself, thinking he had already won
>Blue also didn't just spam Thunderbolt
Meanwhile
>Ash at his best had to face two powerful rivals, thus exhausting many good mons
>Then he had to face a team of legendaries, which Red never did
>Even still Ash took out Latios and Darkrai with a team mostly composed of leftovers + Pikachu and Sceptile
>Ash did beat Orange League and Battle Frontier however, the OL being comparable to the Indigo League and the BF being regarded as more difficult than the Hoenn league
Who the fuck is Sawyer
>>24906821
I think he is the sick kid with a gallade
>>24906692
>meme
Why are ashfags so delusional?
>Saved the WORLD by making mewtwo realize how much of an edgelord he was being
Doesnt prove his ability as trainer
>Is the Chosen One or some shit and is pals with fucking Lugia
Doesnt prove his ability as a trainer
>His Charizard pretty much stalemated Entei, beat Articuno, Blastoise, and nearly erupted a volcano with a seismic toss
Why doesnt he always use him then?
>also his Bayleef oneshotted a god damn scizor with razor leaf of all things
plot armor doesnt mean good trainer
>his other grass type Sceptile defeated Darkrai single-handedly, i mean come on no one else did shit
And then he lost the fight
>Has fucking aura powers
plot armor, he doesnt even use it anymore
>Saved the world from both a monstrous groudon clone and a wishmaker
standard for a shonen hero, what else?
>befriended an ayylmao
doesnt prove his ability as a trainer
>is friends with the literal god of Pokemon
doesnt prove his ability as a trainer
>On good terms with an otherworldly dark beast, a time lord dragon and a space manipulating penishead
doesnt prove his ability as a trainer
>Rode a mega Lati into battle and commanded a shiny Mega Fug
cool, you have 2 feats now, in 15 years of airing
>Beat the Orange League and Battle Frontier
10 years ago, yeah
>Placed well in all leagues, circumstances considered
And never imroved after that.
Not to mention that you always insist that Ash is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER each gen, so there's really only one feat there.
>>24906821
The guy who made fallout new vegas
>>24906728
>Red, for example, is circlejerked everywhere
the pokemon fanbase either doesnt care or outright hates Red
> while Ash is constantly shit on
not enough
>when Red hasn't even accomplished half of what Ash has done.
Game Red, Origin Red and Special Red all did shit while they were main characters and then finished their stories. Comparing two hours, one gen or 7 volumes to a character who had adventures during 20 years is retarded.
and even then Ash is worse than all of those three Reds.
>>24906660
But Ash's Pikachu is unique and insanely powerful. When its not being hit by a reset button
>>24906749
>all those misused buzzwords
>>24906948
>Not to mention that you always insist that Ash is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER each gen
Except he's not, he ends one adventure and then starts another. literally nobody insists Ash is a new character every time
>anime
>>24906976
> literally nobody insists Ash is a new character every time
First time on /vp/?
Every discussion about Ash's ability ends on people saying that he's different each gen, like if he were the Doctor.
>>24906970
>But Ash's Pikachu is unique and insanely powerful
Yet it couldnt beat a Snivy who was just out of the lab.
>inb4 muh Zekrom
>>24906985
As they create more content he gets dumber all the time.
Ignorant so they can rehash lesson episodes
>>24907002
So you're admitting he's shit?
>>24906993
>Snivy who was just out of the lab
>Knows Leaf Tornado
>>24907037
>anime
>game logic
>>24907047
>Not expecting lab Pokemon to be strong
>>24906540
>Every time he gets a decent pokemon he releases it.
Ash has only left a few Pokemon behind of all the Pokemon he got, and even then that was with their own consent:
>Pidgeot was left behind to defend the group of Pidgey from the big bad Fearow
>Butterfree was left behind so it could get laid
>Primeape was left behind so it could be a champ
>Lapras was left behind so it could stay with mommy; it was just a baby
>Larvitar was technically not Ash's
>Goodra was left behind so he could raise a kid with his new gf
>>24907111
This.
Trips aside, it even shows in-game; lab Pokemon start at level 5, while early route wild Pokemon are level 2 or 3, and as of Gen 4 newly hatched Pokemon are level 1.
>>24907111
>pokemon for literal noobs
>strong enough to defeat an accomplished fighter.
>>24907176
>>24907047
>>24907342
They are supposed to be strong enough to protect you.
Also they aren't "pokemon for literal noobs" they are pokemon the professors have collected specifically for research, and are only willing to give them to 'talented' hopeful trainers.
You never see any 'lab pokemon' with those scrubs on the side of the first routes do you?
Unova was just a mistake,we already know Ash isn't that great of a trainer and Unova made him even worse after he made a decent feat
>>24907447
>They are supposed to be strong enough to protect you.
But not the strongest ever.
>Also they aren't "pokemon for literal noobs" they are pokemon the professors have collected specifically for research, and are only willing to give them to 'talented' hopeful trainers.
They are given to any trainer, not talented, how can you be a talented trainer before being a trainer?
>You never see any 'lab pokemon' with those scrubs on the side of the first routes do you?
>>24907047
>>24907452
The entire show is a mistake.
>>24907452
From a Watsonian perspective, I believe that Ash wanted to forget such a curbstomp as a battle against Tobias and his team of up to five legendaries and at least one mythical, so in Unova he started lying to himself that he just started. Charizard being brought back was a reminder that that isn't a thing that you should do.
From a Doylist perspective, I think that Best Wishes was dumb.
>>24907111
>expecting lab pokemon to be stronger than a pokemon who has battled hundreds of times through multiple regions
>>24906640
Underrated fucking post
>>24907493
I heard a theory that the writers were pissed at the execs for Tobias and Ash losing in Sinnoh so they went overkill on making Ash a dipshit to prove a point to the execs and take back their power over the anime.
You dont go from Counter-Shield Ash to losing to a fresh Snivy Ash back to XY Ash for no reason.
Also, stop responding to bait, this thread is absolutely full of it and you people keep responding to it.
ash won't lose to alan because alan won't be in the pokemon league since he doesn't want to be a pokemon master and isn't getting badges
>>24906640
tip top kek
![[Destruction Intensifies].gif](https://i.imgur.com/VhiMvye.gif "[Destruction Intensifies].gif")
>>24906524
>Ash might lose to Alain in the league
>Alain doesn't even collect gym badges
>>24906993
Did anon or did anon not say when it's not being hit by the reset button?
First episode of every anime post Gen 3 has Pikachu go back to level 1 for balancing.Besides we all know Black and White was shit
>>24906752
>Ash hasn't won a league
>Orange League existsInb4 doesn't count because m-muh gyms, nigga beat the shit out of the anime's Lance equivalent after making his Pokemon git gud
>>24907653
>writers
>caring about this show
>>24907867
>Did anon or did anon not say when it's not being hit by the reset button?
Yes. Zekrom wasnt
>First episode of every anime post Gen 3 has Pikachu go back to level 1 for balancing.
And you accept that?
>>24907873
And it was 15 years ago.
>>24907883
>And you accept that?
Is it going to change anytime soon? Nigga I ain't a 5 year old nip kid, TCPi ain't gonna make the series better for us westerners (not that they're doing the anime any favours at all) so why does it matter whether or not I accept a Yellow rat being reset every gen? Especially when it's the most uninteresting 'Mon in his party?
>>24907894
>Is it going to change anytime soon?
Just because its the usual thing doesnt mean its ok.
>Nigga I ain't a 5 year old nip kid, TCPi ain't gonna make the series better for us westerners
That's not what I want tho. That'd arguably be worse. But a show that forces you to stop watching it without giving you any kind of closure can't be considered good.
And even then, it's more ridiculous that there are adults who follow it through and even then still expect it to be any different AND defending it when it doesnt.
>>24907914
>Just because its the usual thing doesnt mean its ok.
Never said it was okay, personally I'd rather he just Oak's Lab Pikachu like he does the rest and get a Starter like a normal person, but realistically unless the franchise gets a new, even more popular mascot next gen, that's not happening any time soon.
>That's not what I want tho. That'd arguably be worse. But a show that forces you to stop watching it without giving you any kind of closure can't be considered good.
And even then, it's more ridiculous that there are adults who follow it through and even then still expect it to be any different AND defending it when it doesnt.
Hey, when you got fuck all to do most days of the week outside of work, like Pokemon and don't really care for a convoluted or overly serious anime, Pokemon can become a decent solution
>>24907940
>but realistically unless the franchise gets a new, even more popular mascot next gen, that's not happening any time soon.
They can work around that and keep Pikachu being the mascot. Digimon used Agumon as a lead digimon many times and not the same Agumon.
The problem most people here have is that they think the current structure of the show was necessary and can't be any other way when in reality its the producer's choice.
>Hey, when you got fuck all to do most days of the week outside of work, like Pokemon and don't really care for a convoluted or overly serious anime, Pokemon can become a decent solution
Yeah, I love watching shows that go nowhere.
There are way better things to do with your time, even under those conditions.
>>24906524
>losing to Sawyer
Oh, I can already imagine how mad the anime discussion thread would be.
>>24906640
>>24906985
ash being the doctor
now thats pretty interesting
>>24909632
>implying
most of the anime thread would be mad over Serena not winning the Ash.
>>24910287
yea, defo
>>24906640
Top fucking kek
>>24906640
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>>24906640
FUCKING REKT
I would not have any strong feelings one way or the other. I don't feel anything about the Pokemon cartoon, and I care more about other shows than I care about the possibility of Ash Ketchum achieving anything big.
Doesn't he usually lose his league matches against characters that were only introduced like 2 episodes before?
>>24910965
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
>>24910965
That makes it worse. He loses to a literally who
>>24906540
>Every time he gets a decent pokemon he releases it.
Literally never happened. Kill yourself.
>>24906640
>>24906524
Is this from Monty Python?No. It's from Harry Enfield's "Loadsamoney".
>>24906640
>>24907729
He does want to fight megas and where else can the strongest Kalos megas be found? I can see him doing the badge run and tourney if it's the only way he can get Diantha to agree to a match. Not saying it'll happen but it's not like it has no basis. You can even tie up his story since he can have his rematch with Siebold but this time, officially earning the match instead of just going "hey let's fight."
>>24912249
Does Alan know that Megas are fueled by the corpses of dead Pokémon?
>>24906640
Someone cap this
>>24912131
that's the point though, so he won't lose to Alain or Shota
In fact, I can see him lose not because he isn't strong enough, but because he collapses from fatigue
>>24914711
done and done
>>24906692
We all know the movies aren't cannon, faggot
>>24906640
I honestly kek'd irl
>>24906640
Aw shit nigga
>>24906524
Wait a minute. A high-leveled Pokémon only obeys you if you collect all the gym badges in a reason, so why has Ash's Pikachu obeyed him even though he hasn't received every Kalos badge, yet?
>>24916945
>reason
Whoops. Meant to say region
>>24906524
Is Ash the opposite of a self-insert character? He's like pure anti-wish fulfillment.
>>24916945
That applies to traded mons or other ones of which you aren't the first trainer.
>>24916945
It receives resets every once in a while. Or that he gotten the Earthbadge eons ago. Or Pikachu isn't really that high.
>>24916945
The anime never uses the game mechanics beyond X-type possibly being easier to beat with Y-type, and it shits on that more than it honors it.
Ash earned Pikachu's respect when he saved its life on Day 1 and that's stayed the same. Plus it would be pretty retarded if you've been winning gym battles with pokemon for years and it suddenly doesn't obey you because you take it to a new region.
>tfw more hype for western cartoons than I am for anything related to Ash Ketchum
>thread gets derailed by a 5-star post
I'm okay with this
>>24919444
Check'd
>>24906640
A 10/10 post like this should see the new year
>>24906640
Fucking destoyed.
>>24906640
#shrekd
>>24906640
>>24906640
Totally
FUCKING
DESTROYED
New screencap?
>>24906640
BURNED
posting in an epic thread
>>24906640
>>24906524
>mfw he loses to Sanpei
>>24906948
>Not to mention that you always insist that Ash is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER each gen, so there's really only one feat there.
Your list is spot on apart from this, Ash hasn't changed since Johto. He's been a bland Pikachu lover around Master Quest and lost all this passion and spunk who just walks from town to town like a robot
>>24907490
>how can you be a talented trainer before being a trainer?
By being born with it?
Talent=/=skill
>>24912135
It happens all the damn time anon.
>>24936361
sanpei is pretty bro
>>24906640
Master kek
