If you prefer B/W over any other main-line game (including its sequel) please explain why.
Gen I & II games can't be used as escape goats just because those are "outdated" but you can argue against their remakes.
It'd also be nice if you mentioned your opinion on the starters.
>>24888327
no HM block walls aside from one scene with cut. Allows a choice to explore or go straight for the story.
A story that tries to be a story aside from evil team doing evil team shenanigans, though being a first time it has notable flaws.
Good designsnot even that get a load of this fag
Ideal EXP gain curve to try and break habit of grinding to surpass tougher fights
Forced to use new pokemon instead of homing to familiar ones
>>24888327
I'm a big story/lore fag, so B/W/2 were great to me. Not big into competitive stuff, so I don't know much about that, but in game play was fairly challenging, so that was cool, especially challenge mode on BW2. And I honestly like a good bit of gen 5 pokemon.
That said, the starters were kinda shit. Designs aren't absolutely horrible, but they all felt kinda lacking to me, and they either get screwed by bad stats or a bad movepool.
Haxorus and Hydreigon were solid designs for dragon type pokemon, and I liked Shauntal. Story felt more engaging than previous entries. When the starters were leaked I was baffled at the design choices and fire fighting again was such a poor choice
>>24888327
There is nothing wrong with liking BW as long as you don't believe it has the best story or that the story is good even by videogame standards.
>>24888403
>2
OP asked about BW specifically.
>>24888327
It has a lot of parallels with RBY/FRLG that I love that essentially makes the game a reboot of the series along with having one of the best story implementations to the point that the "get 8 gym badges" plotline is shoved in the back in exchange for the team plasma one.
Not to mention the idea of phenomena and scaling EXP to levels is a great way to handle level pacing, and the dynamic music changes of battles with the gym leaders last pokemon and the low health alarm being incorporated into its own theme.
Also bridges and Anvil Town
Same as most, story and characters were a large appeal over most of the franchise (even if most of it came from N).
I liked a lot of the Pokemon as well, the new dragon, bug and dark types being some of my favorites.
Progression felt smooth with a decent level curve and the existence of Audinos to make grinding easier, although the constant roadblocks were annoying at times.
starters were shit
>>24888482
>as long as you don't believe it has the best story
In the Pokemon series? Of course it does, and it's not even close. It's the only one that even makes an attempt at a decent story.
>or that the story is good even by videogame standards.
But... obviously it's still pretty shitty overall. Can't argue with that. It's a 4/10 when the rest of the series is like 1 or 2/10.
>gen I and II games can't be used as scapegoats
>R/S, D/P and gen VI games can
You made it too easy for us OP.
>>24888327
>escape goats
fucking idiot
>>24888327
>escape goats
You can use TMs as much as you want.
Enjoy glitching for Earthquakes gen 5 haters.
Been playing since Gen 1 and bought at least 1 version for each generation.
I have to say though that I never really got into black and white. I completed the elite 4 then lost interest. Maybe it was an age thing and I was more interested in playing FIFA at the time but I didn't buy BW2.
Having said that I just bought Gold, Diamond, Platinum, Black, and White 2.
I'm working my way through the generations, Almost finished with Gen 2, gen 3 is ORAS, I have diamond and platinum and then I'll play black and then white 2.
I hate to say it given its a remake but ORAS is the best set of games to date. No annoying rollerskates, decent region and story, fitted in the lost pokemon well legends aplenty. Psyched for Z
>>24888568
U mad, phaggot
i just finished the main story with this team. they went into the league at level 46. never felt underleveled until that point, but it was hell and i had to use a lot of items. tailwind sigilyph saved me against hydreigon, who for some reason didnt have dark pulse.
not i'm in "postgame" and everything is fucking 15 levels above me. it's actually pretty frustrating. did they design this game around grinding audinos?
>>24888583
>projecting
shouldn't have dropped out of high school anon
No HMs keeping me down
Good story integration, I enjoyed it even though it wasn't really that good
Forcing use of only Unova mons was fun IMO and added a lot of replay value to the region, lots of team building variety
Starters sucking was quite the downer, though
it had the most competently done plot, that's kind of it
the gameplay, mon selection, and world to an extent are kind of a moot point to me, though it is a positive that you can go the whole game without HMs. the first game i played was red, so all pokemon games are kind of the same at this point.
>>24888568
>>24888569
OP here, sorry about that.
>>24888512
>In the Pokemon series? Of course it does
No. Fuck that. It's the same shit as all the others but it constantly claims that it isn't. That should be laughed at, not praised.
I like how BW2 recognizes that and is pretty much the anti-thesis of BW.
>doesn't take itself too seriously
>story and dialogue is fun
>more focus on the gaming and the setting
>Colress is actually interesting and likable unlike N
>>24888592
You should go back to school with that anon.
>>24888616
>Good story integration
I wouldn't call "forcing it down your throat" good integration.
>>24888632
>had the most competently done plot
How so?
>>24888675
the only thing down your throat is my dick faggot
>>24888327
gen5 had the best story. N was a really likeable psuedo-villain with a sad story. his kindness comes off as very strange and confusing. the story also tackles the one big issue that pokemon had always failed to address: whether keeping animals in captivity and making them fight was a good thing. overall the story subverted a lot of common tropes.
gen 5 also had more new pokemon than any other game. new pokemon is ultimately what most people want out of a new pokemon game. imo the quality of gen5s pokemon is top shelf as well. adding to this the fact that you could only catch new pokemon until you had beaten the game, it makes for a very fresh/exciting experience.
gen 5 also had some big functional changes that i liked a lot. TMS were reusable, animated sprites were a huge improvement, seasons was cool. all helped to make the game fun and new. the region had some really great areas as well, with cool themes and settings. very scenic.
overall i enjoy playing gen6 much more, because the interface is hugely improved (3d with lots of great functional additions) but gen5 was the best playthrough.
BW1 are my least favorite mainline games that aren't outright outdated but I love Unova Pokemon designs and Oshawott is my favorite starter period.
>>24888710
>TMS were reusable
Most underrated change Gen V made. As someone who tends to horde consumable items, reusable TMs really made the game a lot more fun for me. It makes teambuilding much more flexible and interesting.
>>24888497
>liking bridges
My nigga. I love Defitveil Drawbridge's theme the most, but my favorite (not including Village or Marine Tube) has to be Tubeline. Still, Skyarrow and Marvelous are great, too, the latter especially because of Cresselia.
>>24888652
Man, N's great though. He's a pretty tragic character if you look past the game's surface.
>>24888728
yeah i remember prior to gen5 i would transfer good tms between games so that i could use them to trade. it was just bologna. it's so much better now that you can just easily change moves around without having to worry about wasting the tm. huge improvement. hms are still a bit annoying but i don't think we'll see that resolved any time soon.
also i forgot to say something about the starters. they aren't my favorite starters but they aren't the worst either. imo only gen4 has better. although i'm kind of tired of starters in general. they are always "well rounded slightly overpowered pokemon with wide tm access". there is nothing fun about starters.
>>24888710
>those 2 first paragraphs
>>24888746
>there is nothing fun about starters.
They're not supposed to be overly fun. They're supposed to be reliable, simple to learn, and most of all, marketable. There are hundreds of other options, and the starters are there to be replaced if you find something that's more fun to you. It's right there in the phrase, "starters."
>>24888788
yeah i was just mentioning my disinterest in starters in order to explain why it's not a huge factor for me.
some people are crazy about starters and it's probably a big impact on their opinion of a generation.
>>24888770
what pokemon do you like anon
>>24888788
>supposed to be reliable
The keyword is supposed. Gen 5 starters were a great disappointment on that regard. It's like they wanted you to drop them for something better.
I mean, there's always a starter that's worse than the other 2 but in this case you weren't doing better with any of them. Samurott was the best overall and it was still shit.
>>24888822
They're pretty reliable, there's better, but the starters work.
>>24888802
>>2 first paragraphs
Liking N, believing the story is the best, buying into their pretentious "deconstruction" crap, liking the region lock on the pokémon... I'm sorry, it's just that our opinions differ too much.
I'm neutral to the Gen V pokémon roster, some of them were good, some of them bad, same as always. I prefer quality over quantity though so I don't see the fact that they pushed for 200 as something good.
>>24888822
>The keyword is supposed. Gen 5 starters were a great disappointment on that regard. It's like they wanted you to drop them for something better.
Agreed. Gen V is my favorite, but even I have to admit that this is true. They weren't reliable. They were actively un-fun to use. Serperior in particular is probably the worst waste of a fantastic design in the series. Samurott got me through B/W2, but Serperior in B/W1 was the first and still only starter that I've ever dropped midway through the game.
Luckily Gen V had an enormous amount of other great Pokemon to choose from.
>>24888327
love everything about BW except for the starters. They are just too boring
I've never played this generation.. which one should I play, blacked or white?
>>24889011
It literally doesn't matter. The only place it really makes a difference in gameplay is one post-game area, and with online play now disabled that area is kind of meaningless anyway.
>>24888889
Meganium was worse in Crystal.
Emboar and Sammurott are usable because they hit well but they lack speed or durability. Emboar is just a disgrace, fucking fire types just get destroyed by too many things to get a starter with 65 Speed
>>24889038
samurott handles everything you need a water type to handle. plus it hits hard with both water HMs. it's as strong as you'd expect a starter to be. the other two are just awful.
>>24889082
That's because water types are just the superior type.
Nobody ever complained about Blastoise, Feraligatr or Swamper when they didn't had good speed or good SPA because it's just such a great typing and you had stab surf after getting the HM.
Otherwise Feraligatr would be stuck with fucking bite, water gun, slash until hydro pump in crystal.
>>24888589
on that note, this fucking thing.
its type is abysmal and its stats are average, but it consistently sees the most use in battle. i picked it up cause i liked its look, fully expecting it to job, but it ended up pulling the most weight on my team.
in fact, my whole team is nothing like i expected, aside from samurott. this gen is full of unexpected bros.
>>24888582
>Oras is the best set of games to date
Agreed, I really don't understand all the hate towards oras, I fucking love those games, Granted Emerald/Ruby were the last games I actually full on completed before returning but still.
>>24888582
This just screams underage b&.
>>24889221
It's mostly because they aren't Emerald remakes.
>>24889343
>BW
>2010
>Anon could've been 13 and could now be 18
>thread about BW
>it isn't absolute shit
How it this possible? A Christmas miracle? When 4 pages worth of Gary and porn had to be nuked last night?
>>24889486
OP asked nicely, I guess.
>>24888743
Having pity on him is not the same as liking him.
>>24889110
You forgot glorious Ice Punch courtesy of TM33 from the store at Goldenrod.
>>24889011
Play Black, it has better pokémon selection and rotation battles are much more fun than tripple battles.
>>24888327
>>24889486
I enjoyed more BW more than previous generations because I simply liked basically everything about it besides the severely small size, obnoxious roadblocks and shit like Musicals that's no substitute for Contests, especially after how fun they were in Gen IV for all the shit it did horribly until Platinum.
Also, the writing for the characters, their dialogue and the buildup and climax of the plot along with the atmosphere of moments like first running across Skyarrow Bridge or entering Route 10 preparing to fight for the very future are what made it so enjoyable. It was a bitter feeling when standing at the edge of the sea first listening to something like Undella Town upon already reaching the end of Unova. These games were good despite what overly biased faggots who can't form proper arguments, but they're also horribly held back by just how simply small they are as videogames. Simply making Unova on the scale of Hoenn or Sinnoh along with more to do in general, especially for the virtually nonexistent postgame would have been the difference between good and great even before the amazing sequels.
BW were good while they lasted, but they were just too fucking small, especially considering previous games. My brother who knows a hell of a lot more about what makes a good game argues that it's better that they were short and had quality, so I can't be sure. But there's how I feel.
>>24889698
The games were short because they focused on the story as the main selling point. GF just can't imagine putting lots of effort on both. Or lots of effort on anything besides the pokémon.
>>24889221
Are you me? Because same here
I've gone back after ORAS to play HGSS and gen 5 is next on my list but god DAMN it's really annoying to deal with the old mechanics after being spoiled by gen VI.Everyone praises N's character but I already like Ghetsis more haha
>>24888327
Music was great, liked the trainer designs, bug types felt more viable, ran faster than DPP/HGSS, reusable TMs, felt less grindy than previous gens, didn't feel compelled to drag an HM slave everywhere, liked a lot of the new mons, a lot of the animated sprites were charming, and the item finder was a lot less obnoxious to use than in previous (and latter) games.
Starters sucked, though, and I hated how nearly every fucking rock type had sturdy as an ability.
>>24889887
Almost everything that makes N interesting is thanks to Ghetsiss so yeah that's understandable.
VillageBridge
>>24888822
I'd say Emboar was actually the best in-game, given that you got early access to Flame Charge and could just sweep through teams with your great coverage options.
>>24889960
What about Darmanitan?
>>24888822
Samurott only works because it is a water type. Amazingly it is still shit.
People who picked Serperior and especially Emboar, I just have to feel sorry for you.
As a B/W fag, I'll be glad to lay some of my reasons out.
>Freshness
B/W, for better or worse, is the least "Pokemon" Pokemon game in the series. Every single species is new until postgame, so there's no Zubat, no Geodude, no 6 Magikarp trainers. The game has a singular focus on story at the expense of the more "go wander and explore stuff and maybe grab some badges" feel every other game gives you. Even the protagonists seem older than any previous one, and perhaps only on par with the X/Y ones. While these things can be seen as good or bad, as someone who has been playing Pokemon since Gen 1, the breath of fresh air was so refreshing that I instantly fell in love with it.
>Mechanical polishing
Infinite TMs. Largely unnecessary HMs. The XP curve both discouraging grinding and encouraging swapping team members about. If I'm not mistaken (though I may well be), I believe this was also the first generation to give us the best little improvement to the series ever. "Your Repel ran out. Would you like to use another?"
>The Pokemon
For all the hate a very small number of the designs get, I find this to be the best set of Pokemon in terms of sheer number of GOOD designs yet. As a Bugfag, the buffs and new species Bug got, making this the peak of the type so far, had this generation capturing my heart. And it's not just the Bugs, either. I could list off dozens of great Pokemon. The only areas this generation fell flat on in this case would be the starters and the godforsaken Legendaries, of which I only liked Genosect and Victini. Also, definitely the weakest generation of starters.
(cont)
>>24890364
>Characters
my fucking god the characters. This generation has yet to be beaten. For all the love N gets (and I do like N), the rivals are painfully overlooked by the public at large. Cheren and Bianca were fantastic. Cheren did Serena better than Serena herself did a generation later, with a wonderful view on just how a rival who desired nothing more than to be the best would handle getting destroyed time and again. Bianca was just adorable, and was a better take on the "not really into battling" rival that Brendan/May were in the original R/S/E. Her family issues were the first time in the series that family problems were explored successfully, Silver's daddy issues notwithstanding. And the Gym Leaders! This was the first generation in which Gym Leaders actually seemed like more than just some scrub sitting idly in a building all day. They had jobs and plot relevance. Gym Leading was almost a side duty for a lot of them. And honestly, the character designs were top notch this generation. Best looking set of protagonists yet.
It's not surprising that B/W is so polarizing, which is why I don't get bothered that so many people dislike it. It is certainly the most unique mainline entry, and not all the changes are universally positive. But it definitely reinvigorated my love of the franchise, and for that it'll always be my favorite.
>>24888327
I don't. It's the generation that I played the most and learned about competitive, but that's because I played on emulators, the games were pretty fast and we have re-usable TM's. I would probably do the same in Gen 6 but this meta is garbage with too much influx of Legends, Fairies and too strong Megas. Such a waste since the graphics are great and we can breed our team much better now.
Still think the best Gen is 4, with the best main-line games.
And the Unova starters are garbage.
>>24889652
>whimsicott, gothitelle and mandibuzz better than lilligant, reuniclus and braviary
>>24890605
Competitively speaking, all of those are true. In terms of design, I like Reuniclus and Braviary better, but I love both the two stage Grass-mons equally. Absolutely adorable, the lot of them.
>>24888569
>>24888327
>>24888568
>Escape Goats
>>24890567
>Gen IV
Yeah, no. Never. Platinum is the only thing that kept your precious generation from being absolute shit.
>>24890621
>shitting on HG/SS
k m8
>>24888327
I don't prefer any of the games over the others. They just blur together for me.
Maybe the shitposting children all got banned.
>>24890621
Go fuck a Maractus.
>>24891097
Would that I were able.
>>24890367
The characters are the worst part. They were cut out to make those statements and have no depth beyond that. Their dialogue is souless, they talk like a PSA or educational show for kids painfully explaining the concepts they represent and interrupting the natural flow of the story to give you walls of text about what you should be thinking instead letting you come up with your own conclusions. What kind of person do you have to be to like that?
Also, Gym Leaders have had personalities, hobbies and jobs since Gen I, it was the technical limitations that didn't let them out of the buildings until Gen IV. The only thing different about Unova's is that they are more involved with the plot.
>>24890605
You can get a free lilligant with decent IVs anyway.
>>24888327
>escape goats
>>24891161
>The only thing different about Unova's is that they are more involved with the plot.
You say that like it's not a major improvement.
>>24891310
Yes, THAT is the improvement. Everything else was anon spitting Unova's cum from having its dick so far up their ass.
>>24891327
the only cum here is the one I made you suck out of my cock faggot
>>24891161
>no depth
>soulless dialogue
>trying to guilt people for liking what you think is bad
Everyone only explained how they personally felt and they never once came off as robotic. Away with that shit.
>>24891333
Well that was uncalled for.
>>24891327
I'm sensing some bias from you.
>>24891161
>they talk like a ... show for kids
Who would ever think Pokemon is for kids? Fucking retards amirite
>>24888403
>Not big into competitive stuff, so I don't know much about that
Gen 5 was the best meta, B2W2 dampened it but Politoed down right drowned it. Take Politoed, not even weather in general JUST Politoed, out of the equation and the original black/white competitive meta was perfection.
I feel like every game since then has improved the gameplay, but worsened the metagame
>>24888425
>I liked Shauntal
Shauntal sure knows how to give a guy a booner
>>24888652
>Colress is actually interesting and likable unlike N
>literally 1 scene
>hurr I study pokemon
>Okay lets fight
Look I liked Colress and I think hes the best part of B2W2 thats not PokeStar or Join Avenue but hes not interesting at all. Giovanni in gen1 had more presence and was a better character.
>>24891377
>implying rain was the only problem
>implying we don't call Gen 5 Weather Wars for a reason
>implying Sand teams with Excadrill and Garchomp didn't run fucking rampant
>implying you're not a cuck-slurping gayboi
That said, Gen V was still among the best metas. I preferred Gen IV myself, but Gen V was fun. Beat the hell outta current gen, at least.
>>24888482
>>24888652
>liking it is fine as long as you agree with me about what I think is bad just because
>any other story being better when it was just so they had bad guys and used the Legendary and could have been left out without any consequence
>it's the same shit but constantly claims it isn't
>N is uninteresting and Colress is a better character
>it should be laughed at, not praised because I say so
Wow, it's almost as if your opinions aren't facts.
>>24891387
>>literally 1 scene
>Giovanni in gen1 had more presence and was a better character
What. Just... what?
I like Giovanni but... did you even play B2/W2?
>>24891418
>I preferred Gen IV myself
>perma-sandstorm
>scizor and garchomp everywhere
>suicide leads trying to do everything in their power to set up the mighty and totally not overcentralizing rocks
>>24891368
The other pokémon games don't claim to be 2deep4u or have walls of inane text.
>>24891387
>Giovanni in gen1 had more presence and was a better character
You really think that? You battled Giovanni three times, including the gym battle. I don't think he had much of a presence at all.
>>24891446
It's not "because I say so" it's because anyone but a mindless fanboy can see all of that.
And what the Hell do you even mean with your second point?
>>24891466
>2deep4u
>inane walls of text
>>24891493
>disagreeing with me makes you a mindless fanboy
And you're wrong when BW's story was integral to the entire game and something that had the most attention put into it and not just something thrown in to pad it out.
>>24891493
>>24891601
The only thing that could be better is Mystery Dungeon where story actually matters.
>>24891601
Without the stupid story the game would be short as fuck just like the Gen VI games, in this case the story IS padding out the game more than in any other version.
>>24891618
>stupid story
So you didn't like it and now you're trying to tell everyone it's bad.
>>24891654
It's meh but then there's people who praise it like it's The Divine Comedy.
>>24891705
No, it's not amazing, but it was definitely good.
Off topic but I need some advice
I bought Alpha Sapphire and played the whole thing when it came out, but haven't been played it for months. I want to play it again, but I don't know if there's anything left to do, and plus pokemon bank doesn't hold items do I'll lose a lot.
Should I restart it anyways or buy Omega Ruby and play that again?
I would appreciate any advice
>>24891726
It's "good enough" but it tries to sell itself as something greater which is obnoxious and really affects the overall quality IMO.
>>24888327
Still better than gen4 aka So Zetta Slow
>>24891734
Go post it in a relevant thread or start your own, you faggot.
>>24891739
>>24891744
ebin
>>24891738
What else is wrong about Gen IV?
Platinum is pretty much the most complete game after B2/W2.
>>24891739
>>24891744
Why.
>>24891737
>sell itself as something greater
There was nothing 2deep4u about the story. It was simply about the relationship between humans and Pokemon with subtle themes of growth and ideals topped off with better execution of the Legendary being crucial to the plot.
>"good enough"
What the actual fuck. Why did you literally say it exactly like that. Why can't anything just fucking BE good anymore? Why can't any story, character or game simply have satisfactory quality and execution of their concepts? BW's could have been improved in a few ways, but they did what they wanted to do and it worked. It's was executed properly and it was memorable. It's not beating out something like Tales of Symphonia, but it had quality.
>>24891862
The marketing campaign was literally all about how the story is so mature and "thought provoking". You have shit like the developers talking about how N's real name is Natural Harmonia and it's inspired on "natural number" and other pseudo-intellectual garbage.
The game itself interrupts the exploration and other parts of the gameplay to have you read the inane rants of the characters and even has an obnoxious ominious music score to let you know "this is serious". The worst thing is how it "adresses" the "animal abuse" aspect of the series by bringing up all the stupid questions that people who don't even play the games make about Pokémon and then doesn't actually say anything different than any of the other games (the only one who made a good and simple point was Drayden). Even DPPt did it better with the little books in the Canalave Library.
Hell, the game has no proper intro, instead it shows N's coronation for no real reason other than shoving off their special snowflake in your face then the actual intro is a bunch of random scenes from the game with text on them, something any retard with Movie Maker can do.
>satisfactory quality and execution of their concepts
>It's was executed properly and it was memorable
Properly? Satisfactory? It's shit. If it's gonna eat up most of the game development and gameplay then it shouldn't be just "good for its own standard". If they promise a good story it should be a good story. And fuck everyone who says the story is the best part, it would have been better to get more places like Village Bridge, Pinwheel Forest or a not half-assed Castelia City. With the new graphics engine they should've made a big region with lots of cool places instead wasting it on a half-baked story.
The sequels were a step on the right direction, too bad they weren't as promoted.
I really liked BW. The story was a good point.
>>24891952
To be quite honest with you, it sounds like you're just a dumbfuck.
>>24892468
After getting back from spending my Christmas money just to read a post like that that I'm not even going to bother replying. I'm just gonna play some MH3U while monitoring the thread.
>>24892650
>I'm not even going to bother replying
he said in his reply
What a very high and noble road you've taken.
Dumbfuck.
>>24892650
nice blog dipshit
>>24891734
I'd say get both versions.
I got Omega Ruby and completed it. I decided I wanted to do a wonderlocke but didn't want to restart so I just bought Alpha Sapphire. I have completed the dex on AS barring legendaries, which I just haven't gotten round to catching as I was going to soft reset for competitive ones but I can't really be bothered as I hate running legends anyway.
The Wonderlocke was disappointing.
>>24890617
competitive is literally irrelevant when BW has no online. the latter are much better for the ingame content.
Is it me or do these games have OBSCENE encounter rates? Literally every few steps, sometimes just turning on the same tile. I've played every other gen and none are this bad.
>>24888327
>escape goats
Bet he did it for guaranteed replies.
>>24893029
Yeah, I noticed that too. No wonder they made it so you could constatly apply repels.
>>24888327
>escape goats
>>24892468
You sure showed him.
Gen 5 had really nice Pokémon lines.
I like BW because the complete reliance on using only new Pokemon made the adventure feel fresh and exciting where O had to find things I liked. Because of that, I found a lot of Pokemon I wanted to use or grew to like Pokemon I didn't think I would like. The story's twist wasn't too unexpected, but it wasn't an evil plot you see too often so I thought it was interesting. Plus, the gym leaders were given bigger roles.
This is also a generation where there isn't any starter I dislike. As a whole they're not the best, but I at least like them all.
Also, Lampent and Cofagrigus are my favorite Pokemon.
>>24893453
>Unfeazant
>Tympole line
>>24891952
Is it so hard to say you simply didn't have a preference rather than trying to force what you think on everyone else?
>>24888327
Good story that made good use of the world of pokemon. Serious without being edgy or overly complex. Nice lore with the box legends.
150+ new mons, the most of any generation. And most were actually good ingame instead of previous gens where most mons are shit tier compared to your starter.
Weak starters showcased how cool the rest of the mons were. Most games your first instinct is to solo with the starter which goes the whole collecting and catching idea behind the series. This nicely subverted that.
>>24891952
Don't know about you, but I thought all the "pseudo-intellectual" things were really cool. I'd rather have characters like N than bland and boring ones.
I liked the characters so I enjoyed reading what they had to say, and having music that doesn't fit the theme of what is happening isn't very good, so I'm not sure why you're complaining about that.
The "animal abuse" aspect was also actually pretty interesting, and just because something else mentioned it before doesn't meant you're not allowed to explore it even more.
The intro was also pretty fucking great. Still gives me shivers. How the hell is it not considered a "proper" intro? It tells backstory as well so "for no real reason" isn't very true.
Gen 5 is the only generation where I can honestly say I like all three (base form) starters. Every other generation has at least one that I just really don't like. The evolutions are pretty weak, but they've grown on me over the years.
>>24894528
-N isn't really interesting, everything interesting about him is an informed attribute (you learn it from other characters). The guy himself is just a manipulated retard. Everything he says is moot because his views are warped, you can tell easily that he's crazy wrong and it's confirmed by the end of the story anyways. So he just exists to annoy you most of the time until you feel pity for him because of what OTHERS do to him.
-It's like a laugh track, it's annoying when they tell when to laugh or be serious. Also, there's no need to imagine when some soundtracks, like N's theme and Driftveil City, are unfitting as Hell.
-That's my point, they don't explore anything more they just recognize/admit thins by having characters mention/question them out loud. Then every "answer" is just something they said before in previous games. Nothing important was revealed. It's more like a summary for anyone who started playing with BW.
-What backstory? It's just N's coronation and a random flashback of him playing with pokémon. They tell you more about both things in the game with text (you can't tell that N grew isolated from that flashback alone or that Ghetsis was the one made N the king) so that was completely unnecessary. Every other game (including B2W2) has a proper introduction to Pokémon except for BW because they were too busy wanking themselves over N.
I'd be more tolerant of these flaws if they hadn't hyped this game to the point -paying review sites for perfect scores- and if didn't take itself so seriously instead of being pretentious as fuck.
>>24894746
>everything about N is informed
Bullshit. There's nothing learned about his backstory until the very end.
>pretentious
Really.
>>24894912
You learn the most important things about N's role in Accumula town, just after getting your starter. You learn that Team Plasma consider N their lord, that Ghetsis is the real bad guy (because they're SO subtle about it) and that N is crazy due to talking with pokémon more than he does with people.
Then you learn more about him and Team Plasma from his (actually Ghetsis') minions. Then he pesters you during the game telling some bits about his ideals. Then he tells you how he believes you both are the reincarnation of the brothers who unified Unova destined to blah blah blah. Then Ghetsis tells you almost everything THEN his minions tell you everthing. Then Ghetsis gives you a summary in case you are dense like N.
>Really.
Yeah, really.
Pray tell kind OP, which game has the best story?
The music's nice and I like the setting. Cute starters too. The only gen I can play to the end without running out of steam and forcing myself to finish.
>>24895001
Not OP, but I'd say ORAS. It really refined RSE's story. Sure the plans were still idiotic, but it was presented the best of any of them.
>>24895005
>running out of steam and forcing myself to finish
actually that's what's happening to me right now. i finished the "postgame" and i'm still way underleveled for the league rematch, so now i have to grind. only bothering out of sheer stubbornness.
Low Health Remix
>>24895020
It really is the worst feeling. Hang in there anon.
>>24891760
Not him, but aside from the speed issues, I couldn't stand Looker and Barry. But in all fairness, they are a mere candle next to the sun that is my hatred for Zinnia.
>>24888327
Story is the most important thing in a game to me, on par with gameplay. Xenoblade Chronicles is my favorite video game of all time for this reason. I like BW1 and BW2 equally.
>playing pogeyman for the story
>actually liking N
I cried at the ending. If I hadn't followed Japanese hype, the twist of Ghetsis being the big boss at the end, while heavily foreshadowed, still would've been really cool. I liked the story of XY. I cried at the AZ/Floette story and the ending after the credits, I cry every time I replay that part, and I cried just hearing the song at Pokémon Symphonic Evolutions.
My favorite pokemon games are HGSS, BW, and BW2, and had ORAS had the battle frontier it'd probably be tied in there too. I like pretty much all of them though.
As for the starters, I'm not a huge fan of gen 5, but I actually like very few of the starters overall. Can't even think of a favorite fully evolved because none of them have ever really stood out to me.
I still prefer BW2, but gen 5 is really my favorite one too, lots of good new pokemon, characters, plot, new moves, great music and engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j69sRs4qwro
Maybe is that why gen 6 looked like such a disappointment for me.
Also, Pokemon World Tournament was fun as fuck.
I actually liked being restricted to brand new Pokemon, I wish every new game did that. Or maybe have spawns depend on your trainer ID, kind of like friend safari, so everyone has different mons available, encouraging trading and discovering new bros.
>>24893453
>Samurott line
>Facebook Frogs
>Unfezant line
>Krookodile
>Crustle
Back to Reddit you go
>>24895011
I'd specify and say Omega Ruby
Team Aqua is lame, Magma is villainous
More balanced than all the games that came after it. Better atmosphere. Coolest final battle(s) in the series. Interesting Pokemon designs.
>>24895001
I'd say they're all in equal grounds. Honestly, it mostly depends on how they present itself and the delivery, which most of them do fine until BW.
If I had to rate the overall experience, I'd say:
HGSS = B2W2 ≥ GSC = DPPt ≥ RSE = FRLG ≥ RBY > BW ≥ ORAS = XY
Though based on replayability:
RSE ≥ FRLG ≥ GSC > DPPt > HGSS = B2W2 > RBY ≥ BW > ORAS ≥ XY
But I'd say it's a tie between Kanto's story, which is simple but not bad, and Sinnoh's, which is epic (in the literal sense). Johto's story depends too much on Kanto's so it's hard to judge, Hoenn's story and Unova's are both ridiculous (though for completely different reasons) and Kalos' story is just weird.
>>24894998
>you learn Team Plasma considers N their lord
Bullshit. Literally not until halfway through the game does he say he's their leader. Only Ghetsis was handled badly and from the start. And you're still lying about Team Plasma and Ghetsis saying absolutely everything about N. Not until the final gym does Ghetsis reveal he groomed N to exactly how he wanted him to be and the other members say at most he's testing the protagonist.
>Yeah, really.
You gave absolutely no argument for the simple coherent plot that I described being like that, you obnoxious faggot. All you've done is "refute" why I stated it's simply good and stubbornly called it shit because you didn't like it and make up excuses to support it. If anything's half-assed it's your biased arguments.
>>24895001
Tell me you're joking, anon.
>>24895193
>Gen I or Gen IV had the best story
This is just sad.
>>24895272
>you're still lying about Team Plasma and Ghetsis saying absolutely everything about N
How so? What difference does it make if it's early or late in the game?
>You gave absolutely no argument for the simple coherent plot that I described being like that
What description? Where? What?
>you obnoxious faggot
>you didn't like it and make up excuses to support it
>If anything's half-assed it's your biased arguments
Well, fuck you too.
>>24895338
Not him, but now you're just contradicting yourself.
You were complaining about how the revealed everything early in the game and now that you've been proven wrong you're whining like a little kid.
>>24895338
The reveal of something big when it's early or late in any sort of story is an important thing. Not knowing that already shows you know nothing about story writing.
>>24895370
I literally never said said that. If you mean
>You learn the most important things about N's role in Accumula town, just after getting your starter. You learn that Team Plasma consider N their lord, that Ghetsis is the real bad guy (because they're SO subtle about it) and that N is crazy due to talking with pokémon more than he does with people.
nowhere does it say "everything". They do pretty much spoil the plot even if you know nothing about the story which is a big flaw.
>>24895377
I thought the argument was about wether or not N's backstory is given in the game.
>The reveal of something big when it's early or late in any sort of story is an important thing
The context is ALWAYS more important.
>>24895383
When the hell was you learning that N was Team Plasma's king revealed in Accumula town?
They don't "spoil" any plot, they revealed it and that was the time when you started taking part in it.
>>24895383
Both context and the time of reveal are equally important. Without either of them it could spoil either one.
>>24895441
Huh, you're right. I don't know where I got that.
Everything related to Gen III was shit, DP are obsolete, XY are drab and dull, BW were fresh experiences that I thought were handled very well, and a lot of work and detail was put into the games compared to others in the series. I very much appreciated that there was nothing but new Pokemon in the main-game dex. I still think HGSS, Platinum and BW2 are better, but BW are quite solid.
The starters are okay, I don't really have any problems with any starters in Pokémon aside from the fox and frog lines in XY that I've already forgotten.
>>24895690
so did anyone catch those goats yet?
>>24897308
Cobalion and Thundurus Therian Forme should have been the only Legendaries of their trio.
I will say this until the end of time and even after.
>>24897516
i'm guessing you like the colour blue?
>>24897599
Cobalion is alright. It's just because of what he's associated with he gets a bad reputation.
I like Tornadus in his Therian Forme as well at least, but Thundurus-T easily has the best design and would most likely actually be something you'd want to chase after.
Landorus is just fucking ugly no matter what he is. The worst part is the only one that isn't canonically a mischevious asshole and actually works to keep the other 2 in line.
no delphox in BW though and the only cute pokemon were zorua and emolga
>>24898112
can't disagree with any of this, especially on the subject of Landorus' design good God
>>24898112
Because wind and storms are chaotic, whereas ground is relatively tame. In fact Fujin and Raijin are often depicted together. Landorus is based on the kami of fertility, he represents a harmony between land and sky, humans and weather.
I don't see how he's "uglier" than the other two. The kami design in general is fine, and the therian formes are all cool.
How would his Gen, 5 Designs look like?
>>24898126
But no Delphox in BW would be a good thing.
>>24898234
>how would.... look
>what would....look like
pick one ffs
>>24898234
Ariga has crazy fucking natural talent. The man singlehandedly made easily the best designed lines out of Gen VI and a top tier Mega design that perfectly expands on Beedrill visibly becoming more powerful while still being recognizable, the fucking golden standard of what a Mega Evolution should look like.
>>24898334
I don't think any megas look weaker than their regular form.
>>24898337
Wasn't saying that, but there's those that just look alien to the original design, like Heracross, which fans literally cried over.
>>24898372
Heracross is my favorite mon and I like his mega. It's not removed at all. Samurai armor is based on beetles, and mecha are based on samurai. Megacross is a mecha. It's a different take on the concept, which fits with the mega being a sidegrade.
>>24898126
>Phoxfag
>only Zorua and Pikaclone #5
Dismiss.
>>24888482
Definitely has the best story of any Pokemon game. It was the only one that even had a story.
Did my best to keep myself away from info about the new Pokemon and such before playing it, so with all the available Pokemon being brand new, BW gave me an experience that was very close to playing RBY for the first time.
And I appreciate that.
Well, I like Unova, you know? I think it's a really fun region to explore, it's no Hoenn but it still gave me a good sense of adventure. It doesn't really matter that it's literally a circle when you have stuff like chargestone cave and twist mountain.
The level progression is good and for someone like me that only grinds through the trainer encounters that's a huge plus. SS was a nightmare for me because of that.
The gym leaders actually ended up playing a bigger part in the game than all the others before except maybe a few exceptions, which I absolutely loved.
Music is great.
Elite Four and gyms are pretty fun
Alder is great
I like most of the gen V designs
I don't see a lot wrong with the story. It's harmless and enjoyable to me, I won't say it's amazing but I honestly don't think it's bad at all. N is a faggot but he's at least a decently made faggot.
The region is beautiful. Bridges, motherfucker.
Post game exploration, motherfucker.
So yeah. It all adds up to be a pretty good game in my mind, I've played through them all except the original G/S and ORAS, and B/W is near the top of the list
>>24901197
>It was the only one that even had a story.
