Which is canon: The games or the anime?
>>24873165
Parallel universes, bub.
>>24873173
Remember in the anime when they said there were 4 kids getting their pokemon? What if Red, Blue and Green were 3 of the 4 and Ash was the 4th wheel? Ash is the kid who was left out of the fun while the other 3 went off and did their thing.
>>24873165
Games, anything else is bullshit.
>>24873197
ULTIMATE LORE
>>24873197
Gary was one.
>>24873165
>>24873204
>implying there's only one canon
>>24873243
Yeah, that's how it works.
>>24873230
>implying they weren't given "normal" names in the anime like one anon suggested something like Amanda for Green, and some other name like Johnathan for Red
>>24873253
Sonic alone has:
>A canon for the classic and modern games
>Multiple cartoon canons
>Two comic canons
>A canon for Boom
The Manga
>>24873260
>Sonic
You lost me.
>>24873260
>using sonic as an example
>>24873266
>>24873274
Most notable example I can come up with.
Be prepared for the ninja village in Z and references to Ash.
>>24873220
It makes some sense considering there were 4 kids. Ash is a bit of a runt compared to the other guys who have natural talent. Of course there is the fact that Professor Oak said in the anime that Ash and Gary were the only two trainers to be successful, I don't believe this was said considering it was a dub and not the original japanese.
I bet Red saved Ash from Gary's bullying and that is why Ash tries to look like Red.
Anyways it is something to consider since it covers the 4 kids from Pallet Town and can ties some things together
>>24873292
Plot twist: the anime happens years before the games and Ash is somehow Red's father
Both. why do people find this concept so hard to grasp?
>>24873303
That could cover the fact that Ash's harem get over him and move on to other guys.
>>24873294
It would make sense
>Red gets his Charizard
>Green gets her Bulbasaur
>Blue(Gary) gets his Squirtle
>and Ash gets stuck with the leftover Pikachu
Also, why wasn't Ash better than Gary to begin with? He had the type advantage.
>>24873320
Mon's type advantage isn't everything in the ashnime. There's also moves and environment.
>>24873320
I don't think Gary ever sent out his Squirtle during the anime. It wasn't until the last episodes of Johto that he did
>>24873336
Touché. It is how he beat Brock…
>>24873345
Now explain how he defeated Rhydon, Marowak or Golem using thunderbolt.
>>24873397
Don't ask me bro
>>24873397
There's no need to explain. They wiped the game logic on their asses while making the anime.
Worse, they made him win almost half of the badges without a proper battle.
>>24873439
And that's why Kanto is my least favorite Pokemon series.
>Johto only had one pity badge (Pryce forfeited)
>Hoenn only had one pity badge (Wattson refused to give Ash a proper battle after outside interference let Ash steamroll Wattson)
>Sinnoh only had one pity badge (that tie against Maylene)
>closest thing Unova had to a pity badge was Roxie
>Kalos doesn't have any pity badges so far
>>24873338
everyone always assumed it was an eevee, considering that's what he had in Yellow version, and Gary always did have his eevee with him, that evolved into an Umbreon.
when they said "is that the squirtle Gary got from prof oak, I was like wtf???"
>>24873510
In the anime the three starters were Squirtle, Charmander, and Bulbasaur. I thought Gary got his Eevee when Ash went to the Orange League
>>24873459
Still Kanto was the most enjoyable, the others were too repetitive like the games.
>>24873165
They have their own canons. But why do you care about the anime?
>>24873260
>a canon from the original japanese classic games manuals, which is also the canon up to sa2
>canons from the american manuals
>american cartoon canons
>sonic x canon
>whatever they came up with after heroes/shadow
;)
>>24873338
In Showdown at the Poke Corral, Oak tells Ash that Gary has caught over 200 pokemon.
The anime
Anything is canon as long as you want it to be. Write a fanfic some time!
>>24873165
Both. Games, anime, and manga are all different canons
>>24873165
The games:
- Original timeline (RBY -> GSC)
- Ability timeline (FRLG & RSE -> HGSS & DPPt -> BW -> B2W2, also Ranger games fit in there somewhere)
- Mega timeline (ORAS -> XY)
- Mystery Dungeon games
- TCG Videogames
The anime
- Ashime
- Mystery Dungeon
The manga
- Pocket Monsters (Red, Pikachu, Clefairy)
- Special
- Electric Tale of Pikachu
- Zensho
- Battle Frontier
- Diamond and Pearl Adventure
- Fuck there's a lot of them, not gonna list them all
Point is Pokemon is a multiverse. Everything is canon.
>>24878503
Wasn't this discussed in a Game Theory video?
>>24878514
A what?
Since Ash doesn't age in the anime despite the visible and verbally acknowledged passage of time, it has no canon.
back in Kanto and orange islands and season 1 and 2 of Johto, pokemon actually tried. it had a plot and was advancing. after that they gave up and just turned it into an endless stagnant pile of crap. no point in watching it, it's just a children's cartoon, not an anime.
>>24878514
Fuck that awful channel.
The fact that Pokemon is a multiverse was a key part in the Delta Episode for ORAS.
>>24880832
I heard so much reference to delta episode wtf was that
>>24873165
Ganes, anime, movies, manga. They're all released from the same source. They are all cannon. Multiverse confirmed by ORAS.
>>24880805
This
Ash died when he got rid of his pokemon league hat
>>24880805
>it's just a children's cartoon, not an anime.
I agree with this.
If Pokemon was all I had access to as a child in terms of anime I probably would become one of those crazy fanboys, but thankfully I had access to anime from very early on in my youth years that my mental balance is very stable.
Seriously, if you have watched Akira, you'd realize just how sophisticated anime is and it blows away anything Pokemon would have to offer.
A lot of people mention Ghost In The Shell, which has just enough of sexuality in the mix to draw in the western audience I suppose but I must say that Ghost In The Shell is not even in my top 10 anime, not even close, that's just how deep the world of anime is.
Some anime is so disturbingly mature like Fractale that I wish it would challenge the system and submit it as a Drama category in the Oscars just to bitchslap the snotty Academy.
It's not just the level of maturity and sophistication anime has, it's also quite original, entertaining, and visually fantastic. I would regard anime as the highest form of cinema art-form.
But hey, me preaching about anime won't do you any good, you gotta go out and see it for yourself just how much you are missing.
The recent one I would recommend to check out is Sword Art Online which is light and easy to get into anime for the first time yet appreciate it as much, but if you want the heavy stuff right off the line check out Guilty Crown in which the plot is so complex and twisted that you'll need extra oxygen pumped into your brain in order to comprehend everything, and if you want amazing visuals and a gripping drama that also has awesome mecha battles Aldnoah.Zero is the shit.
Seriously, if you know anime like I do, Pokemon looks like it's something for little kids.
>>24873165
They're all Canon.
Pokémon ORAS confirm the Multiverse of Pokémon.
>>24873173
Provided by ORAS.
>>24873165
games are the most canon
manga is second most canon
anime is third most canon
>>24873197
The anime also said those other trainers, besides Gary who eventually did also, quit being trainers.
>>24880832
>>24881302
>>24881310
>ORAS
Black and White. The two games are directly stated to be parallel universes in-game.
>>24880832
You apparently didn't watch the video because he made it purely because of what happened in the delta episode of OR/AS you fucking dumbass.Though I admit his channel has gone to shit recently because nothing he's really been talking about isn't FNAF. Hopefully he's through that phase.
>>24881378
everything is canon, that's the point of a multimedia franchise.
>>24880805
>PIKACHU LE HORN XD
>actually trying
L O L
>it had a plot and was advancing
Dafuq did I just read? Every episode was LOL LE TEEM RAWKET. XYZ has the whole Team Flare and Zygarde plot. How much of a genwunner are you?
>>24881709
Go shill your xy bullshit somewhere else
>>24873282
There is such a thing as a main canon retard.
See Star Wars or anything fucking else.
>>24881732
>I can't refute a word you said, so I'll just play the shill card.
R O F L
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>>24881773
Back to your containment thread fag, no need to spread your cancer to the whole board
>>24880161
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>>24881657
So this is also canon then?
so what about pokemon Yellow? is it canon to the game storyline, or the anime storyline? since it's based off the anime.
If that's the case then Gary got a damn eevee not a bulbasaur which literally nobody ever saw til 5 years after Kanto at the end of Johto..
>>24881889
It's canon to the game storyline, of course. Why do you think Red's team when you encounter him in the Johto games consists of all three starters and a Pikachu, while Blue has none of the starters during his gym battle?
>>24873230
Gary still got a Squirtle like Blue in Origins
>>24881709
what are you taking about, people died in Kanto.
episode 1 all the spearows tried to kill ash for throwing rocks at them, and Pikachu was dying when he rushed him to the hospital.
Charmander episode was some sadistic shit where they all laughed and watched it die while it was screaming.
in the episode with Sabrina, Ash actually DID die.
mewtwo killed Dr. Fuji, and Dr. Fuji tried to resurrect his dead daughter.
ninetails episode the girl waited for her man to come back from war and he never did so she threw herself off the cliff.
Brock's mom was dead and his dead was a deadbeat drunk who never came around.
in later episodes they fucking brought her back and pretended like season 1 >plot< never happened.
when ash saw Gary in Gen 4 or 5 or some shit, he was like 'oh Gary wut u doin here, dis my ol fran Gary, k bai'. <- in Kanto and Johto when Gary walked up in the place it was a fucking event.
old pokemon = plot = anime
new pokemon = no plot + goes out of its way to kill old plot = cartoon bullshit
plot.
anime.
Kanto
>>24881291
Is this pasta?
They're all just shows man. Watch what you like. You don't need a "nutritious and healthy balanced" of nippon toons in order to not be crazy. Jesus christmas
>>24881828
I mean I don't see why not. Explains how they reproduce. At least for some.
>>24882057
he's pretty clearly being ironic
>>24882063
Ok, I didnt really feel like reading past the first paragraph desu. MerryNew Years in a week
>>24881980
>Brock's mom was dead and his dead was a deadbeat drunk who never came around.
love this edgy headcanon
>>24882057
It's /tv/ pasta you newfag. It's from back when the new Star Wars movie was released (Pokemon -> Star Wars). It's also missing the first line: "It's JUST what I expected, this rehash is nothing but a glib facsimile."
>>24882079
Never saw it before. k.
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>>24873165
Both are different canons. For lore discussions refer to the games since they are the main product tho.
>>24873253
That really isnt
>>24873165
TCG is the most canon.
>>24873165
There is no canon. The people behind it don't care, children don't care and the only people that do care are manchildren that are obsessed with pokemon that need things to be canon thinking there is some kind of lore with this lifeless franchise.
>>24882407
hate it but it's true. pokemon don't give a shit about pokemon.. didn't they just sell the cartoon off to some 3rd company this week to do it for them? they honestly couldn't give a shit less about it anymore.
things they cared about:
first 3 movies.
first 3 seasons of anime.
rbgy, gsc, hgss, xy, stadium 1/2 (1/ 2/3 Japanese)
Pokemon Origins OVA
did I miss anything?
>>24881790
>I can't refute a word you said, so I'll just play the cancer card.
Top kickety kek, you just got rekt
>>24882626
>Pokemon Origins OVA
They didn't even care about this.
>pacing was fucked
>whole OVA was used solely to stroke the ego of Charizardfags
