>ROM hack has swearing
>ROM hack gives the player character spoken lines
>>24862892
What are the worst examples of this? I wanna know what to avoid.
>ROM hack has self-inserts
>>24862929
Pokemon Quartz is the most infamous one
>romhack attempts to be dark mature and realistic but still throws in a wacky LOLRANDOM xD character who would get their shit kicked in if they behaved like that in an actual realistic setting
>>24862961
>romhack attempts to be dark mature and realistic
>>24862952
Like that one attempt at making Mystery Dungeon?
I'm still pissed fucking Sandslash of all Pokemon ended up being a Mary Sue.
you gotta remember that pokemon attracts people who haven't mentally progressed past the age of 10
and you're asking those people to write an engaging plot
the people who actually legitimately create pokemon can barely make an engaging plot, but they don't throw in DA self-inserts and edgy bullshit
>>24862983
>write an engaging plot
>Pokemon
This is their first mistake.
>>24863011
This. BW had an actual good plot and what did GameFreak do? They immediately went right back to the standard formula and still made far better games.
Then they tried to write another proper story for XY and it was just atrocious. Story is fine in a series like Pokemon, but it's more of a nice treat and not something to expect to be good. Focus on gameplay, content and Pokemon distribution.
>>24862960
Is he a faggot?
What's the most tryhard shit fangames have to offer?
I know Reborn amusingly features a pointless suicide.
>>24863207
I think you answered that, buddy.
>>24863220
But there's also this one horrible asspull in a sequel.
Apparently after your original protagonist captures "Dark Lugia" he randomly goes insane and starts fucking up the region after an originally decent ending. There's profanity written on the sign in front of their house in the next game.
i love caroline
>>24863242
You locked her up in your dungeon? You sick fuck.
If you truly loved her, you would let her be free.
>ROMhack's evil team is a cult
>>24862876
>ROMhack is a memegameI'm looking at you, Clover
>>24863407
>ROMhack uses fakemon
>salty sagefags hate it for having more progress in half the time
>>24863407
Really wish those cancerous faggots would hurry up and finish so their shit can fade into obscurity.
>>24863417
>salt maymay
I hate it for being a disgrace to both Pokemon and even chan culture as a whole. And respect Sage for all the time and passion they put into making a proper game, not shit suffocating in memes and abominations like Clovermons that make Gen IV's Pokemon look amazing.
>>24863363
Which ones?
>>24863417
>someone criticizes Clover
>Clover gets butthurt and relies on "At least we're not x" and smug_reaction.jpg to make their point seem valid
>>24863431
Insurgence, Reborn, Legends of the Arena; just to name a few.
And the cult is always just a group of robe-wearing assholes who want to summon an "evil" pokemon.
>>24863425
you really do sound salty
>>24863451
It being a memegame wasn't an insult
>>24863453
I've never played any of those but I bet at least one of them is Arceus, Darkrai or Giratina.
>>24863451
Pathetic, I know. Remember how priceless it was when that one faggot got asshurt about getting no respect?
>>24863464
>i posted it again!
>>24863470
You wouldn't be wrong.Insurgence has a cult for nearly every legendary.
>>24863467
I never said it was an insult.
Jumping the gun, aren't you?
>>24863475more phione for the phione god
>>24863482
>fucking Phione
>>24863467
It automatically is. Not that shitting on it is a bad thing.
>>24862929
Pokemon Snakewood's pretty bad, too.
>>24863819
To be honest, memegame is slowly devolving into Buzzword Status™ so eventually actual memegames will end up being dismissed, while "games I don't like" will be called memegames.
>>24863833
Fuck you.
>ROM hack has fakemon but they all look like complete and utter shit
>>24863090
>BW
>good plot
BW's plot is shit and only gets points for being there at all opposed to the other games' total lack of plots.
As someone who can actually a somewhat coherent plot, I'd almost be willing to throw my hat into the ROMhack game, but then I always remember I cant make a map to save my life.
If a coherent map/level designer wanted to get on board, I'd be willing to put the time in, but I can hear the critics already, so I imagine offers will be scarce.
>>24863952
Write a plot* thats what editing gets me...
>>24863929
>ROMhack has fakemon
>devs play it safe and try to make their hack as "official" as possible
>>24863421
It's already pretty obscure.
>>24863425
But Gen 4's Pokemon look amazing without Clover's help.
>>24864454
Yup, just like Sage.
>>24864520
Why do all Clover defenders bring up Sage in their retorts?
>>24862876
>ROM hack thread
>devolves into shitposting whenever Clover is brought up
>even the post that brings up Clover is a shitpost
>>24864723
Because the Clover deriders always bring up Sage in their arguments.
>>24864738
You guys brought up Sage, and >>24863407
>>24864454 didn't even mention Sage.
>>24864750
>Trying to ignore this post >>24863425
Lol
>>24864755
Because >>24863417 brought it up.
>>24864761
I don't see Clover mentioned in there, do you?
>>24862876
>ROMhack has both realmons and fakemons
>>24863949
>look how contrarian i am!
Fuck off.
>>24864769
They literally did because that's what anon mentioned when he criticized meme hacks.
>>24863425
>CHAN CULTURE
WE DON'T HAVE A CULTURE. WE HAVE A COLLECTIVE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JOINED IN OUR HATRED OF THE WORLD AND OURSELVES.
>>24864520
Fuck off, Clover. It's pathetic how you always bring Sage into this. I hated your shit long before I even knew about the project just by seeing that excuse of a Pokedex and suffering through some of your threads.
>ROM hack in a fanmade region has character from real Pokemon games
>>24862876
>>24862892
>>24862952
>>24862963
>>24863363
>>24864897
>>24865474
There's literally nothing wrong with any of these. I know you guys like bashing arbitrary things while proving your points with funny pictures and "well it just SHOULDN'T happen, it's pokemon!", but both are tired arguments and most of you are being ridiculous little faggots.
I've never been more inclined to repeat the worst argument possible, but it applies here. If you don't like fangames, then try making one yourself, as you might be surprised at how difficult it is to make something remotely interesting that people want to play, even if that means appealing to more than a few degenerates.
>>24865710
Bullshit. It doesn't take rocket science to explain why the first 5 are tryhard deviantart tier shit.
>>24865710
>player character having spoken lines
The player character is usually meant as a self insert. Only acceptable exception is Ash Gray, which is an adaptation of the ashnime anyway.
>attempts to be dark, mature, and realistic
Usually results in edgeshit.
>ROM hack
>"Oh my Arceus!"
>>24865710
Fuck off Clover. Go back to your garbage game where you spend 8 months editing a sprite then scrapping it
>>24865360
contrarian or not, he's right.
bw plot a shit.
>>24865766
>The player character is usually meant as a self insert
In official games. But a fangame doesn't have to be like this and there are tons of video games in general which don't have a self insert protag. I've seen some fan games that pull it off well and it gives more interesting dialogue.
>>24866000
It's been properly explained countless times why BW had a good plot and plenty of intelligent fans like it, but you faggots still continue on disagreeing or calling it shit in response just for the sake of it.
Your pathetic contrarian bullshit will never be worth anything.
>>24866044
Ebin
>>24865474
>ROMhack has Ash Ketchum
>>24866044
>LE LENNY FACE
>>24866138
You're defending B/W because you're hoping that Game Freak will listen to fans like you and make more serious stories again.
B/W had a half-hearted story. Game Freak could not commit to making morally ambiguous characters and was terrified of the idea that kids would agree with Team Plasma, so they turned Plasma into cartoon villains and made N an unambiguously good character and Mary Sue. They tried to involve the Gym Leaders more in the plot, but abandoned this after Burgh.
>>24866261
>half-hearted
>made N a Mary Sue
Proof you don't know shit you're talking about. And no, I don't ever want anything that tries to be like BW because that's as far as they need to go in terms of storytelling. All that matters now is gameplay and content. I'm simply defending something good from retards on the internet that call it bad mainly because of their overly obnoxious hateboner for Gen V in the first place even though BW weren't even the only games. Now shut up.
>>24866261
>and was terrified of the idea that kids would agree with Team Plasma
Even if that were the case, what does it matter?
>>24866318
I love nearly everything about Gen V but the story was still shit
>>24865816
Why do people hate this again? I find it amusing.
>>24866389
Except it wasn't. It took the standard extremists want a Legendary plot and executed it with good buildup, atmosphere characters and dialogue throughout until the very end.
>>24866410
Not really, but I think ORAS minus the Delta Episode has the most enjoyable main story so what the fuck do I know
>>24866433
>Not really
Sure.
And Hoenn just had a nice diverse region with a memorable doomsday atmosphere before the player puts every back to normal and casually finishes beating the gyms. It's not exactly something that motivates the player to keep pushing towards because it's just apart of the game. BW had the entire game centered around the story while the player collected gym badges and it worked great until the credits showed why making a mainline Pokemon game that way shouldn't be repeated.
>>24866388
Can't decide if that sounds good or terrible.
>>24862980
>Sandslash ruined by a ROMHack
Which ROMHack dare defile my Bromon?
>>24866477
What was wrong with the credits?
>>24862952
>tfw making a romhack
>tfw making myself the champion
get fucked nerds, all this hard work i atleast want something out of it
>>24866620
I can already tell it's going to be shit
At least just make yourself a cameo character or something
>>24866620
WHAT ABOUT THE SATISFACTION OF HAVING MADE YOUR OWN GAME?
ISN'T THAT ENOUGH?
>>24866625
he basically already is a cameo. im like a diantha-tier champion who appears twice and doesnt do much
>>24866628
NOT ENOUGH
>>24866583
I'm saying BW were good Pokemon games in their own right, but their storytelling charm only lasts until the very end. After stopping N there's nothing to do but catch Kyurem and challenge Cynthia.
That's the fatal flaw of BW. They had an actual good plot that motivates the player, but at the cost of both making the game too fucking short and the world too small as a whole.
If anyone ever demands me to point out flaws to prove I'm not a fanboy, I'll say without hesitation that they're literally too small as games and sadly arguably just not very good videogames as a whole. Definitely only for Pokemon fans or people interested in it.
I want a competent writer to make a romhack.
Imagine a region where the E4 has been disbanded in favour of televised championship bouts, like boxing, and there are 2-3 titles passing around. Instead of standard gyms with badges, the gyms here actually train you, and you graduate by earning a spot in the local fighting scène.
This super competitive (in terms of atmosphere) comes frinding to a halt as it turns out some backdoor deals have been fixing matches, and as you climb in the ranks, tou are approached by a fixer. You accept, and you forfiet the match, refuse and you have some low level mobsters hunting you down...
Essentially, imagine the parts of Team Rocket that actually made it good, pulling the strings in with match fixing and strongarming, with no lead up to legendaries, no linear gameplay (the gym order would be optional), and no need for shitty HM's (you would take a cab etc like a sane person most of the time.)
I challenge anyone to say that isn't a better story than romhacks go for, and it somewhat mirrors gen 1's not over the top team.
>>24866388
>ROMhack has postgame
>the main game is too terrible to suffer through
I wanted to try Zeta's Battle Frontier but fuck is the game not good.
>>24866187
https://youtu.be/u5OjSM2PDvo
>>24866388
>Vega has postgame
>it's filled with a shit ton of new Pokemon but they're all Level 40-60+ and in Base Form, meaning unless you grind Mushrooms for the Move Relearner to fix their godawful movesets or breed, you'll probably end up sticking with your regular team
>>24866552
Ruby Destiny: Rescue Rangers. The author self-inserts as a Sandslash.
>wise and super powerful despite being turned into a Pokémon the same time as you and your other friends
>deliberately doesn't reveal his identity to you even though he knows it's you, guides angry Pokémon to your location when you're running for your life, lets the battle play out just so he can rush in and defuse the situation in a "Just according to keikaku"
>your six-Pokémon party barely defeats a Legendary only for it to revive at full power shortly after; self-insert Sandslash singlehandedly fights it to a standstill, then gets possessed to become a major boss (though not a difficult one, its stats are that of a normal Sandslash)
>so important that their existence is literally tearing the universe apart because of a timeline split
>gets trapped at the end of the game so they can be killed by two Legendaries and restore the timleine; fights both Legenaries, the two of which have a combined BST of more than 2000, to a standstill long enough to get saved by another Legendary (keep in mind your whole party could barely defeat one of the two Legendaries)
It hurt my opinion of Sandslash for a while, kind of like that autism Snivy that got spammed for a while on this board.
>>24866640
>Diantha tier
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>24866987
What the fuck. Why is this even a thing.
Best romhacks are the ones that doesn't change the story, but focus more on fixing the original pokemon and their movepool/abilities.
That's way Blaze Black will always be my favorite romhack.
>ROM hack has Ash Ketchum
>>24864730
>>24863407
Yup, you are correct.
>>24864730
>something shit results in shitposting
It's like pottery.
>ROMhack has forced romantic moments
>ROMhack has the protagonist have a father
>>24866187
>>24868929
Only acceptable exception is Ash Gray, which is an adaptation of the ashnime anyway.
>>24869450
>Official game has forced romantic moments
>>24869670
>Official game has the protagonist have a father
>>24869670
I'd think that would be a nice little treat, it's something that hasn't come into play since Hoenn.
I'd imagine waifuers would be upset if only the father was there.
>>24869670
>>24869680
The context is that the guy in the pic is Yuya from yugioh who's father went missing and he's currently in his infamous YAMERO moments
Its funny
>ROMhack makes no attempt to be inclusive and include a wide range of racially and sexually diverse backgrounds
>rom hack tries to go deep lore
>the lore ends up contradicting itself
>ROM hacks has you playing as a homosexual and has youre boyfriend follow you everywhere
>>24870527
I need to play it
Has any ROM hack ever had a story that isn't complete garbage?
>>24870756
Have any pokemon games ever had stories that aren't complete garbage?
>>24870800
gen 1 didn't have a story so that kind of counts, right?
>>24870810
If you're going by that, there are hacks like Brown and Bronze with pretty much no story, so that would count.
>>24870800
>>24870810
Gen 2 also didn't have a story and yeah I think it counts.
>>24870756
Pokemon Quartz :^)
>>24870800
See, I already know you're shitposting because you not only dismissed the obvious, but you lumped in MD as well.
>>24868845
I like to have a new region to explore though, once you've played one a few times it gets repetitive
>>24865710
>putting words in the mouth of a silent protagonist is NOT wrong!
>>24871349
First off, fuck off back to /mu/.
Second, there's no law that dictates Pokemon protagonists must be silent. I know this must invalidate your headcanon and causes spikes in your sperg levels.
If we were talking about a character who was meant to be silent because of the role they play (like Link, as he's your link to the game and could never truly represent your thoughts through dialogue), then sure, but if it's an actual character, there's no reason to make them silent.
Tl;dr go back to reddit with all the losers who don't understand writing stories for shit
(btw I'm not saying all games where the protag speaks are good, just that it's not a problem. I need to clarify this since channarians, especially /vp/oreons, are very good at being retarded)
>>24869945
When did John Oliver become such a fucking faggot?
>>24866999
>Ruby Destiny: Rescue Rangers
I heard this was godawful for many many reasons.
>>24873437
It is.
You can't even naturally make a fangame of Mystery Dungeon.
>>24873420
Always. He just didn't get enough screentime for people to realize that.
>>24868939
Because it's shit.
>>24873420
>420
BLAZE IT FGGT
>>24873540
Maybe PSMD will prove to have hacking potential, once the homebrew launcher updates to support the new encryption methods being used by shit like PSMD and Picross at least.
>ROM hack has flash mazesbefore you get flash
>>24866261
>Game Freak could not commit to making morally ambiguous characters and was terrified of the idea that kids would agree with Team Plasma, so they turned Plasma into cartoon villains
That's not exactly true, though they could have handled it better I admit, but this is Pokémon.
One line I love in BW2 and shows that they weren't too scared, is after Hugh finds Liepard.
One of the Shadow Triad guy says that now Liepard only obeys to them, and that it's ironic because if it never got in a Pokéball in the first place, it could have had a stronger bond with Hugh's sister, and would have resisted Team Plasma. Instead, their bond was supposedly artifical (created by the Pokéball) and all that Team Plasma had to do was to steal the Pokéball.
This question of true bond or not is well handled I think because there's never a definitive answer. In the end, Hugh's sister and the Liepard had to learn how to love each other again.
Of course the MC knows that Team Plasma acts for their own motive, but their idea might not be terrible, and a player might agree with it.
>game has encounter randomizer, catch an Eevee and a Whiscash before the second town
>gyms are in Battle Factory format, but not randomized
>still giggle to myself sometimes about the dialogue
>entire game is permanently at 4x speed except the musicand I'll never find it because my cousin in mexico is the only one I've ever seen play it
>>24865444
nice
>>24877160
I think Hugh is one of my favorite rivals despite being one-note for a good portion of the game. He just felt fun and competent, I loved how he actually went with you whenever you fucked with Neo Plasma just knocking heads for muh Purrloin. Then what you said happens and I actually feel bad for him and his situation. He feels underrated in my opinion, he wasn't complex but he was fun.
>>24863453
>>24863475
In fairness though, Insurgence cults are basically just teams with different names. Especially so in Light Mode.
>>24866945
The dude was 15 when he made it. My problem was Zeta was that there were so many things done right that were ruined by the fact it was clearly made by a teenager.
>>24865474
I'm fine with this if it's Red (or obvious shit like Nurse Joy but I'm assuming you're not counting that). That's my only exception.
>>24866628
Yeah, if I made a romhack, looking at how they get treated in threads like these, just making one would not be enough for me.
>>24866680
...and /vp/ calls it edgy for having mobsters trying to hunt you down and whatnot.
I WANT MY POKÉMON GAMES TO BE LIKE THE REAL ONES. IF IT'S TOO DIFFERENT IT'S BAD FOR MY SPERG LEVELS.
>>24869988
If this was the only complaint I could find with a romhack then you better believe I would be worshipping it.
Why is no one making a Pokémon game hack that has nothing to do with the formula and defeating gym leaders? I just want to battle strong trainers, do challenges and some side quests like collecting treasure. Fuck the formula, its overrated shit and it's the reason that attempts to make it mature always fail. It's too much of a restriction that kills originality. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing that.
>>24879217
They've been made before iirc. Ones like the Team Rocket hacks (fuligin, TDT and so on). There are a few others too, don't remember their names though.
People tend not to finish them because they don't feel like Pokemon.
I want a ROM hack of Firered that has you start in the middle of the region, had a few new towns and a secondary league that is harder than the normal gym leaders.
>>24879217
try some essentials games. Super pokemon eevee and legends of the arena don't follow the formula at all.
>>24879142
m8 there are tons of movies that feature mobsters and aren't edgy
>ROM hack permits you to time travel
>>24880308
>It just warps you to another section of the map
>You can walk back to the past
Any ROMhacks full of Pokemon being naked girls
>>24873540
It's not that you can't make.
It's that the engine is different,and we don't know enough of PMD engine to make a fangame.
>>24881597
Look at pokemon mystery universe m8, plus I'm making my own engine at this very second
>>24881618
Mystery Universe doesn't count. It's real time, while the actual games are turn-based.
It's more of porting things.
>>24880576
I heard Pokemon Thirst Version has it, but its in the same stage of development as its audience.
Beta.
>>24880308
What's wrong with this? If it's done well, it's pretty cool, especially considering time travel is canon (Celebi).
>>24879217
You keep posting this ignoring how many hacks have already been made like that.
If you need another example on top of the ones you already have, look at Dark Energy. It has Gyms but half of them are optional, the ones that you do have to do are for reasons unrelated to badges (like one where there's a freezing cave that you can only spend so long in, you need an item from the local Gym Leader to pass through, though maybe it's possible if you just run through the cave optimally as possible since it's time-based and not step-based), you don't have badge collection at all on your trainer screen in fact.
>>24873420
>When did John Oliver become such a fucking faggot?
He's not. The only people who actively hate diversity of every kind are basement dwelling shitters. Forced diversity is bollocks but forcing the notion that something having more than just straight white guys is cancerous is equally retarded, just on the other end of the spectrum.
>>24862952
>ROM hack has self-inserts
The only time this was done well was in Dray's BW hacks where he speaks through the Professor and gives you the low down on the hack itself.
>>24881705
>>>24880576
Underrated kek
>>24882165
Problem is that he's on the other end of the spectrum. He's an equality of outcome faggot, rather than an equality of opportunity.
>>24866187
>complains about Ash
>posts a worse anime
>>24866261
>Game Freak could not commit to making morally ambiguous characters
Good thing they've figured out how to do it as of Gen 6.
I'm kinda surprised no rom hacker has attempted to implement the shadow pokemon mechanic from Colosseum/GoD
>rom hack gives Huge Power out like fucking candy
>>24882691
Zeta and Rejuvenation did it iirc.
>>24865710
>what is brown
>what is quartz
>what is insurgence
>what is reborn
>what is snakewood
>what is rejuv
>what is dark rising
>what is pretty much every fucking romhack in existence that isn't just a difficulty hack
It's hard to be this fucking wrong.
>>24883641
What's wrong with Brown other than it being essentially a reskinned Red (which is an issue just because of how early it was made relative to most hacks)?
>>24884334
Nothing, that guy just likes sucking Drayano's cock.
>>24863949
I kind of agree; in terms of actual plot, not a lot happens in BW/2. The big thing they had over the other games was good characters, who had proper motives, personalities and backstories.
Pretty good speeches too.
>>24863952
>Someone who can actually a somewhat coherent plot
Is it possible to a plot without verbs?
>>24884968
I accidentally a plot once. It was fucked up. It fucked me up.
>>24882611
>worse than the Ashnime just because moe
>>24882622
>any character in Gen VI better than N
>>24884334
>>24884447
Brown is fantastic, it's probably the single best romhack to exist that's a total revamp and not just a difficulty hack. But it still has some minor swearing and has the player character talk at certain points, it's flawed.
Is there anything inherently wrong with being edgy?
>>24885244
>>24885244
If a story naturally has or builds up to darker elements, that's good, but when it's shit that's done just for the sake of seeming dark or "mature" that's when there's a problem.
Berserk is grimdark set in a gritty fantasy world where man can become the very demons they dread leading to a basically hopeless cycle.
Elfen Lied is edgy and likes to see how much of assholes they can make humans and monsters alike while dumping blood everywhere basically for shock value.
>game's wild pokemon placement is fucked and you can find level 60 mons outside the first gym's city
>>24866945
How is it not good? It plays like a mainline game
>>24866138
>it's been proven it was good
>s-smart people like it so just shut up
>getting this mad
m8 BW's plot could only be considered good if you have a very high tolerance for formulaic hero's-journey storylines and hackneyed dialogue. BW's plot would be serviceable if it were well-presented with engaging dialogue, interesting characters, and a much less railroady progression, but on its own it's tremendously cookie-cutter.
>>24866318
BW were the best games mechanically and they had a great national pokedex, but every time I go through them again the story actively detracts from my enjoyment
>>24885244
In a Pokemon game, yeah there is.
Pokemon games are bright happy games about kids going on adventures and like it or not, everyone who plays your hack/fan game is going to go in with the vanilla games at the front of their minds.
Edginess is always going to look laughable
>>24863233
So they pulled a Diablo 2 but worse? Kek
>>24865710
Having realmons with fakemons just seems like a crutch the developers use when they are worried their fakemons are shit.
If you're going to make a fangame, use all realmons or all fakemons, don't pussy foot in between.
>>24888279
I think the issue is that making a full Dex of Fakemon is difficult and time consuming and a lot of hackers are very small teams. You can either have a small amount of decent-to-good Fakemon (or a small amount of shitty ones) or a full Dex or a few decent-to-good Fakemon and a ton of shitty ones (or nothing but shitty ones, my expectations are low with Fakemon).
>>24888494
Are there any hacks that try having smaller dexes?
I don't care if it's real or fakemons I'm just interested to know how that turns out
>>24888879
I'd say you need at least 150 in your Dex unless it's a mini-hack that only lasts a couple of Gyms or something, and 150 is still a lot of Pokémon to make from scratch.
>>24888279
What about ones like Ditto? Esp. if they incorporate breeding.
I wanna make a romhack but I have no idea how to code or do anything except edit sprites badly.
>>24885244
>>24886790
The official Pokemon games are only bright and happy so they can have the broadest audience. Since the official games have a huge advertising campaign backing them, they can be as sterile and inoffensive as possible and people will still play them because it's Pokemon.
With a fangame, the team isn't necessarily trying to gain the broadest audience. The ones that try to be official are always boring and they get forgotten about really quickly. Seriously. Can you name even one Pokemon fangame/ROMhack that is bright and cheery that hasn't fallen into obscurity?
Devs have to do something unique to make their fangame stand out, and unfortunately, being over-the-top and brooding is the easiest way to go.
>>24890906
Why can't a fangame just embrace the goofy atmosphere and play off of it, or address the darker parts of the world but be a reconstruction instead of a deconstruction?
I mean, you can stay dark in some aspects (Colosseum did a good job with it) but grimdark has become very boring and commonplace in fangames these days.
>>24890922
People who make fangames simply aren't that clever.
I played one fangame recently that tried to be silly, but the humor boiled down to the same punchline: "Hey, have you ever noticed how Pokemon can do things that real-life animals can't do?".
>>24890906
>Can you name even one Pokemon fangame/ROMhack that is bright and cheery that hasn't fallen into obscurity?Clover
>>24890922
Play Legends of Arena
>>24890922
Because they don't get remembered. I've seen ethereal gates mentioned like, twice in these threads ever, even though it's huge, a fakedex full of decently-designed fakemon and is really exactly what the people bitching are looking for.
But no, people remember Reborn, Rejuvenation and Dark-Story Insurgence because it stands out.
>>24891943
>But no, people remember Reborn, Rejuvenation and Dark-Story Insurgence because it stands out.
Exactly. It's just basic cause and effect is all.
>vanilla games are usually bright and happy
>people play hacks and fangames with the vanilla games in mind
>bright and happy is expected
>dark and gritty stands out
>more people remember the dark and gritty ones than the bright and happy ones
>the dark and gritty ones get more publicity
>>24892193
...I'm actually nearly positive that's why they do it. The creators are clearly not idiots, they know edge isn't always liked.
Jesus that's smart. Aside from EG which I only remembered since I just played, I can't think of a single cheery one.
>>24870527
Is there a romhack that actually does this? I'm confused.
>>24891943
Ethereal Gates is legit awesome. I raged really hard at the second gym. Also the haunted library was pretty cool.
>>24892798
I really enjoyed EG and Light-Story Insurgence.
Really excited for Phoenix Rising.
>>24863242
What is this? I've seen it referenced before, appears I've missed the boat.
>>24866261
>was terrified of the idea that kids would agree with Team Plasma, so they turned Plasma into cartoon villains
That wasn't the issue, or at least, not entirely. The issue wasn't that some of Team Plasma were dicks or didn't actually believe or whatever the fuck (which they used as a plot point in BW2), but they didn't actually explain why Plasma was wrong, as far as I remember - because they really weren't wrong in their theories and what they were saying. Rather, the game used the true intentions of Ghetsis to somehow disprove the mantra that Plasma officially went under, which is obviously fallacious.
Obviously it's just a game and so the feelings of pixels are irrelevant, but if Pokemon were real, this would be a valid question to ask.
>Rom hack replaces pokemon from the generation the game is in with pokemon from future gens
>They aren't even done well or worth training
>>24885709
>>24893031
I'd say Team Plasma was "wrong" because the protagonists disagreed with their opinions. I mean even if you did agree with them you had to do something about the ones that were dicks or etc., because having the right beliefs (or pretending to) doesn't mean you can abuse your power.
And the non-villain branch of Plasma is portrayed pretty positively in BW2. BW1 Plasma is definitely the gray-est villainous team.
>>24893046
>hack replaces Pokémon with ones from future Gens
>they have a gimmick in those Gens like ability
>gimmick isn't translated to the hack and they're just a normal Pokémon with nothing special
>mfw literally every single hack with Zoroark
>>24893286
>BW1 Plasma is definitely the gray-est villainous team
Well, I mean, they wear grey outfits, do they not?
>>24890906
Well you know what faggot,you're rightSo let's try making a rec chart, maybe then you'll see more than 2 people posting about Ethereal Gates
>>24893301
More of a light cyan.
>>24891943
Insurgence is a really well made game. I can forgive the edginess for the amazing gameplay and working online.
Reborn however, is absolute trash. The field system is good at first, but it quickly become unfair and way too much to handle in a game all about strategy. (Great idea in gyms, horrible for ever single in game battle). Not only that, the story and characters feel like they were written by a suicidal 13 year old who spends all his/her time on tumblr
>>24894278
Agreed
Fun fact: I think the creator of Reborn is... 5? years older than the Insurgence creator (23 and 18).
Does it surprise you that she's a tumblrite?
>>24890187
You make an analogue, then. Sage has Viipii and Clover has Blobbos
>>24894278
Does anyone even use Insurgeance's online? I know TPDP has a ton of trouble finding matches and I imagine that's a lot more popular due to being Touhou.
>>24896737
It's pretty glitchy as of the latest patch (in which they added random battling), but I know before the latest patch there was a pretty active community on their discord.
Romhack stories are at least amusingly bad.
Official main series stories bore me to tears.
>>24865710
Sagefag here
All of those arguments you tried to defend are cardinal sins of fangames. It's unoriginal, it's edgy, it reeks of teenage stupidity, and indicates a lack of quality in the game. No one likes fanfiction except for the immature and horny, so why would a broad spectrum of people want to play the video game equivalent of fanfiction?
>>24897150
Well judging by the size of the Sage/EG fanbase vs the Reborn/Rejuv/semi-Insurgence fanbase, quite a few people do.
>>24898913
If you want to compare fanbases as a measure of a game's quality, apparently FNAF is one of the greatest series of all time. Not a Sagefag, just pointing out your logic is bad.
>>24897150
>>24899058
The deal with edgy stories is that...well, it was already mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
>>24863949
It's really not a bad plot. It's not absolutely awe-inspiring, but it's simple and engaging. Several tropes and events that we thought were set in stone were abolished, such as beating the evil team before the E4 and facing the champion at the end. N was actually a likable character before we found out he was Plasbad, which we've never had with an evil team leader (Lysandre was a prick from the get-go).
>>24899058
I totally agree with what you're saying but the anon I replied to was asking about people liking it not quality.
>>24899093
>N was actually likeable
>>24899391
Maybe not for you, but majority of the fanbase (especially the jap one) certainly liked him.
>ROM hack has fakemon
>ROMhack has ""unofficial megas""
>ROM has the player talking/swearing
>ROM has Gary/Blue/Green/whatever in game for no other reason
>>24899402
And they still do. Why else would they make a nendoroid of him other than the fact people love him and will certainly buy merch of him?
>>24899423
Why is unofficial megas in quotes? Is there anything incorrect about that statement?
>>24899423
Fakemon/unofficial megas are fine if they're good. Which is admittedly rare, but I've seen it done.
>no EVs or IVs
>all base stats the same
>growth is randomized
>>24901632
What hack/fangame does this?
>>24903063
Karenfags: The game
>Fangame made with Pokemon Essentials
>2 gig download with 1.9 gigs of MP3s
>>24863833
And dark rising.
>>24882165
No, he was always a faggot. And don't use the "if you're not with me you're against me" fallacy. Noone is seriously advocating "whites only" or anything of the sort. Even on /tv/ with their obsession with crying about /pol/, I still haven't seen anything like that.
>is a pokemon game
>>24908459
>memebase
