>Gen 2 starters will never be relevant
>>24859307
>Implying Life Orb Sheer Force Gatr isn't awesome as fuck.
>>24859307
good. gamefreak can't fuck them up.
>Gen 2 will never be relevant
>>24859307
False. I love Pokémon Starters.
>>24859307
Just wait for the Megas
Then you can call them irrelevant if GF fails the megas
>>24859766
What would their megas be like?
I'd like a Mega Meganium that can have Drought, for auto Solarbeam and awesome Synthesis.
>>24859856
Petal Aura
Auto casts a Regen spell on self and allies that is dependent on the weather. 1/8 in neutral conditions, 1/16 in rain, and 1/8 to 1/4 in the sun.
>>24859856
Flower Veil, makes it immune to status, can switch into Scalds all day.
Simple SpA + Def + SpD boosts, nothing too broken or special.
>>24859878
>>24859873
How about Mega Feralgatr? Strong Jaw?
>>24859893
Eager Gamble
All recoil moves are now priority with increased recoil.
>>24859893
Life Orb + Sheer Force is honestly too OP for Feraligatr to have a remotely superior Mega, but if it just gets a BST boost in Speed and Attack with something reasonable like Strong Jaw, it's all good.
>>24859307
>tfw mega typhlosion will OBVIOUSLY be Fire/Fighting
>>24859307
Good. They all look like shit.
>>24859878
I want this more than a whole birthday cake.
>Gen 2 starters will never get merchandise
life size Totodile plush and decent Feraligatr plush when?
>>24861075
This is true about Totodile and Cyndaquil, but not Chikorita.
>>24861075
>totodile
>just gets bigger
>>24860091
>mega Typhlosion
>not being a fire/ground type
>Solidification for it's ability
>nulls water type moves and increases def everytime it is hit by one
>>24859307
The Gen 2 starters are the worst. Everyone already knows this.
>>24859927
Strong Jaw would fit it perfectly thematically at least
>>24859893
Water/electric with Water veil
big enough stat boost to make worth using over Sheer force gatr
>why water/electric
>why water veil
good coverage,cant be para or burnt so its pretty much perfect sweeper
and it wouldnt hurt have an offensive water/electric for once
meganium Grass/rock with Solid rock or maybe somthing like renewal
>>24861235
almost right
>>24861345
Serperior clearly shines above them all and its probably the most popular grass starter
other 2 ill agree thoughsadly
>>24859307
because they are all ugly and shit
>>24861345
I like Emboar though, looks like a demon
>>24861390It's clearly based on a red oni
>>24859307
>most aesthetic starters are the least useful
damn
I like the whole eruption heatran/typhlosion combo.
>>24861641
Lava plume I mean. Never gets old.
>>24859307
Dragon Dance+Sheer Force+Life Orb Gatr is pretty cash to use. you'd be surprised how stupid strong Waterfall gets after all that boosting.
>>24861603
They aren't that well designed. The problem is that they look good individually as pokémon but boring compared to the other starters (not iconic enough). They also don't complement each other at all, it almost looks like they came from different generations.
>>24859307
They are my favorites tbqh
Typhlosion
>gets Earth Power
>mega is Fire/Ground with Storm Drain
>adds to Special Attack and Speed mainly
Meganium
>mega gets Flower Veil
>adds to defenses
Feraligatr
>mega has Sheer Force always
>Water/Dark
>adds to Attack and Defenses
>>24859878
>Simple SpA + Def + SpD boosts, nothing too broken or special.
>Growth
Oh fuck
>>24862223
>>adds to Special Attack and Speed mainly
Nigga not even 'zard got that.
>>Water/Dark
>>>not Dragon
Retard. Also needs to be at least as fast as megachomp. +20 speed, a bunch of attack,+20 Sp.A, rest in defense maybe or split between the two.
>>24861656
>you'd be surprised how stupid strong Waterfall gets
>+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 108-127 (35.6 - 41.9%) -- 88.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Eh...
>Mega with +40 attack
>Will o Wisp while it boosts
+2 252+ Atk Sheer Force burned Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 69-81 (22.7 - 26.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
Mediocre shitmon
>>24862223
>Typhlosion
>hurr let's give it a 4x weakness and then make it immune
Give itsheer forceor Competitive. Alternatively,No Guardwould make for some really interesting100% accurate Inferno burns and focus blasts. fire/ground is cool
>Meganium
>shitty flower veil
it needs regenerator/magic guard/magic bounce. it should also be grass/fairy and get moonblast (and maybe calm mind)
>Feraligatr
this one is pretty spot on, but idk if it needs to be dark. i think it could go for part fighting so it isn't just bad sharpedo/good crawdaunt, but from a competitive standpoint, STAB Sheer Force crunch+waterfall sounds disgustingly good.
>>24859307
>meganium is Grass/Fairy
>Typhlosion is Fire/Ground
>Feraligatr isjust fine.
There you go, its fixed
Fixed
>>24859307
good
only furries like Typhlosion
>>24859307
Torrent Feraligatr had a spotlight in Gen V, Life Orb Sheer Force one while not being the most amazing of mons in Gen VI it is still relevant.
Feraligatr so far is the Contrary Serperior of its starter set excpet unlike Serperior and the rest of Gen II and Gen VI starters this reptile has 3 solid boosting moves, 1 solid ability and 1 mediocre, several decent coverage moves. Whatever mega it will get it won't be shit, the best Emboar can hope is probably an equal defensive and offensive stats buff to be a slow mixed Darmanitan, Samurott needs Speed and both Attack and Special Attack to compense its poor movepool (a slower Mega Sceptile or Infernape tier Speed range), Typhlosion needs a Charizard X treatment in stats maiking it versatile and able to bypass its common walls, or get Mold Breaker to hit hard Flash Fire users with a solid Sp.Attack boos (it's like the Flareon of fire starters).
Meganium will be forever cúcked by Venusaur and Mega Venusaur and even Torterra, even with the meme Fairy type this failed bulky Grass has barely no moves and is forever predictable, only had like few shine moments with a SD set in Gen IV NU otherwise it is always the same cleric or screener set, the simpliest change to add some utility to it would be the access to status powders (same for Florges), or a solid ability for its mega aimed for doubles, see Flower Gift or Friend Guard.
Gen IV starters can only get better with a mega thanks to solid typings and movepools and already decent stats.
>>24862379
my nigguh
>>24861334
>Meganium Grass/Rock
'___>'
>>24862235
Whatever its mega gonna be it is deemed to be slow unless kek Chlorophyll.
Also Growth thanks to slow speed, shit tier offensive movepool would be balanced, Grass type ain't a pain to balk. At least with max speed it could be faster than Heatran and able to use Earthquake.
I agree Leaf Guard should get a buff on Water Veil tier. No usefulness since its introduction being immune to status only under sunny weather. Hydration works better because its users are all bulky and have several coverage and utility moves and Rain boosts their STAB attacks.
Leaf Guard should prevent or have a 50%to dodge a status or act like Shed Skin.
>>24861378
Sceptile / Torterra are probably the most popular
>>24862982
>Grass/Rock
it is a dinosaur
>>24863019
The rock dinos are fossil.
And it doesn't help Meganium in any way when Cradily line has Recover and better abilities. Only lrofit would be a STAB Ancient Power and a different set of weaknesses, basically resists Normal type and is neutral to common Earthquake and Aerilate / Brave Bird spam that would still wreck it on switch and weak to Fighting type, not the best a mixed wall would wish for.
>>24859393
This. Feraligatr is beast.
Meganium is absolute shit tier and needs a Mega. As-is it's the poor man's Venusaur.
Feraligatr is now legit due to Dragon Dance and Sheer Force.
Typhlosion is garbage and likely always will be.
Not OP, but I'd like to point out that all starters will get megas anyway, try and fix how shit they are at the final evo. giving it a mega doesn't make the normal form not shit.
>>24862911
>Groudonkey
>>24862293
>it gets checked by something
>so it must be shit!
Did you know you can have more than 1 Pokemon on your team, anon?
I am honestly having trouble figuring out how to make a mega for Meganium that makes it viable and not outclassed without minmaxing the fuck out of it.
>>24861688
How do other starters compliment eachother? Aside from gen 5 starters sucking.
>>24862992
Lmao Torterra doesn't even have a Mega.
