ITT: Moves that deserves buffs
>>24848196
>Giga impact
>needing a buff
Rock slide should have perfect accuracy
>>24848216
and by perfect I mean 100% not "never misses"
>>24848201
Okay. I'll bite.
Making all the Hyper Beam variants works like in Gen I would be a great buff, however, not exactly like that.
Only with the KO, if it hits a Substitute, it needs to recharge.
>Inb4 -ate Users
Those abilities are retarded anyway, remove the Power Buffs of those abilities and just make them change the type.
>>24848216
More like earthquake
>>24848216
rock slide is literally the best move in doubles
>>24848216
Only at the cost of the flinch chance.
>>24848216
rock slide is already usable. there are tons of moves that are worthless.
>venoshock
currently it's 65 special poison move that does double damage on a poisoned target. if it did triple on a badly poisoned target it might see use.
>fell stinger
they could just make it base power 50 insttead of 30
>synchronoise
just make it base power 200 or something shit
>>24848245
How about reducing it to 15%
All signature moves for shitmons.
>Rolling Kick
>Barrage
>Conversion 1 and 2
>Smelling Salt
>Lati@s MB and LP
>Remove Night Daze's effect of removing the illusion (although it's obvious)
>Aromatic mist increase Sp Def by two stages
As well as fell stinger needs to have a bp increase.
>>24848264
>>fell stinger
>they could just make it base power 50 insttead of 30
Make it BP60, give it to Scizor :^)
>>24848299
They could make Night Daze look like a random attacking move of the pokemon you transformed into.
>>24848299
Conversion 2 is easy to buff: Just make it predictable and let it choose the optimal type if one exists.
You also forgot to mention Comet Punch.Ledian will never be good.
Mat Block +1 priority
>>24848264
Just make venoshock one shot poisoned targets and reduce its BP. Bam, two shot on anything not poison or steel type. Viable. Toxic spikes viable even in doubles.
Fell stinger should be 60 BP.
Synchronoise should be typeless or normal type with 150 BP at least.
>>24848299
>Rolling Kick
Fell stinger cloneat 60 BPthat raises speed 2 stages.
>Barrage
Not a lot can be done. 25 BP with a high crit ratio, maybe.
>Conversion 1 and 2
More predictable and give them priority. Type changing that isn't through an ability is shit.
>Smelling Salt
Not a sig move but could be fighting type.
>Lati@s MB and LP
>shitmons
>Remove Night Daze's effect of removing the illusion (although it's obvious)
Make it select a random move that the pokemon it is disguised as knows. It will still be night daze in BP and type but it will appear as said move. Remove the accuracy tripe.
>Aromatic mist increase Sp Def by two stages
>>24848196
Constrict.
Stone Edge's accuracy gets buffed to 95%, remove increased critical chance.
Zen Headbutt's BP gets buffed to 100, removes flinch chance.
Snarl gets buffed to 80 BP, mostly because we need moves that control Special Attackers the way that burns and intimidate hurt physical mons.
DEAR GOD PLEASE BUFF FOCUS BLAST TO AT LEAST 85% ACCURACY
>>24850369
Still waiting for the no-guard special fighting type
>>24850436
still waiting for a special fighting type that isn't fucking lucario
Buff Seed Bomb to 90 BP. Give it a 10% chance to drop Defense. Basically a physical counterpart to Energy Ball.
Buff Elemental Fangs to 80 BP, 100% accuracy like Crunch. No reason they should be so weak and have shoddy accuracy when the other biting moves don't. Also means Strong Jaw Tyrantrum is -somewhat- useful.
>>24850438
Keldeo exists, guys...
>>24848383
Comet Punch wasn't a signature move even in Gen 1
>>24850787
no it doesn't fuck off
>>24850787that sword is secret anon!
All trap moves(Fire Spin, Wrap, Whirlpool, Sand Tomb, etc.)
50 BP, 95% Accuracy. Passive damage deals 10% of a Pokemon's HP.
Make it happen Gamefreak.
>>24850787
So we get furbait and bronybait. Woo
all those HM moves
>>24849750
>one shot poisoned targets
>mfw
>>24851557
>one shot poisoned targets
>balanced
le toxic spikes face
>>24851503
>Cut
Set damage, opponents level not yours.
>Fly
120 BP
>Surf
30% burn chance:^)
>Strength
Rock type. Two birds one stone, accurate reliable rock move and Strength is good.
>Waterfall
90 BP
>Dive
120 BP
>Rock smash
60 BP always lowers defence
>Rock climb
100% accurate
>Whirlpool
100% accurate.
>Defog
Resets everything. Everything. Stats, hazards, screens, non major status. Lowers evasion for everyone.
>Flash
Raises users accuracy and lowers opponents.
Dig can have the 120 BP buff too.
>>24850436
>not No Guard Electric type with Zap Cannon
>>24851632
Why not both
>>24848276
No.
You have to choose between the flinch or the accuracy.
>>24851691
100% flinch 50 accuracy
>>24848225
>>24848201
I'd be ok with those moves being buffed to 200 BP or something.
>>24848264
Synchronoise should just be Super Effective to everything. That would make up for its shitty side effect. What purpose does it even have on Umbreon. Chances are the opponent isn't holding a Ring Target.
>Iron Tail and Dragon Rush buffed to 120 or 130 BP
>Triple Kick
Double damage of each hit and its good. Makes up for the miss chance, at least some.
>>24854565
That doesn't actually do much senpai.
>Triple kick right now goes 10 -> 20 -> 30 BP, total 60 BP.
>Yours goes 10 -> 20 -> 40, total 70 BP.
now if you want to buff it, start it at 20 and have it double each time.
>20 -> 40 -> 80. Total 140 BP
>30 -> 60 -> 80 with technician. Total 170 BP
>>24854682
I meant more along the lines of 20->40->60
i also wasn't thinking about technician.
>>24854793
20 -> 40 -> 60
30 -> 60 -> 90 Total 180 BP
compared to v-create
V=180 BP 95% hit 100 lowest base attack stat for a mon with 3 total lowered combat stages.
TK= 180 BP (90% hit*3 hits=72.9%hit) 95 Base attack stat for a mon no other penalties
I'd say it's balanced with v-create at least. the only other 180 BP move
>>24848196
Inner Focus prevents the pokemon's focus from breaking when it uses Focus Punch.
>>24854936
That'd be broken as fuck
Giga Impact
>keeps same base damage
>50% chance to make your opponent flinch
>>24851632
>not Fire/Electric with No Guard Inferno and Zap Cannon
>>24855558
Fire/Electricmixedattacker with Dynamic punch, Focus blast, Inferno, Zap cannon, an electric clone of gunk shot, stone edge, Iron tail, Megahorn and Hypnosis.
Make a design that somehow justifies all these things.
>>24855623
electivire and magmortar fused together.
>>24855663
with a horn
>>24851745
>Dragon Rush isn't a 40 BP Dragon-type priority attack
>>24855663
>>24855679
Electivire+Magmortar+Rhyperior
>>24851677
In unrelated news, we decided on ET name likee 5 mins ago, It's Team Aurum.
>>24851691
50% Flinch with 85% Accuracy
>>24855720
>Dragon priority
stop
>Dragon Claw
Ignores Defense buffs
>Fell Stinger
+1 priority, but with +1 Attack raise
>Wild Charge
20% chance to inflict paralyzes
Sharpen becomes a physical Quiver Dance
Dynamic Punch gets 120 BP
Dragon ascent.
>>24856115
>Physical Porygon-Z sweeps
Also Meditate should boost Attack and Special Defense
Really, they should just mess with some of those status moves so they aren't so redundant
>>24848299
Conversions should have priority
All Defensive moves should have priority
Flamethrower should be 65 but has 40% to burn
>>24850866
I have better suggestion boost- When you use them their counter resets.
>>24856254
>Also Meditate should boost Attack and Special Defense
>>24855761
perfect, I'll put it next to zapmolcuno
>>24848225
That's a terrible idea.
>>24848216
100% accuracy with 10% chance of flinch
>>24849695
Greninja is already one of the fast non mega mons, Hell, Greninja outspeeds a lot of megas to
>>24854936
>Mega Gallade banned to ubers
Is a Giga Impact or a Hyper Beam buffed by an -ate ability ever worth the moveslot?
>>24857515
Only on Slaking
>>24857514
Nah it's got paper defenses.
>>24855558
>>24855623
>>24855663
>Digglet used mud shot
>>24857515
On Sylveon HB a great nuke option. Otherwise the only other mons, -ate or otherwise, I can think of where it's remotely viable are HB Mega Pidgeot and GI Slaking.
>>24857528
It does need a bulk up for it's defensive but it's deference is good. Al tough, this is the gen where Talonflame exists
