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Do you see it?
>>24818705
just got to hell.
Shit just got real.
Just beat Shinki.
Man this game was a fucking ride. I really like my favorite 2hus more now, especially waggyswaggy and Seija.
>>24818744
whos that puppet?
>>24818757
Seija, the contrarian bitch and literal incarnation of /v/.
>>24818768
thanks.
tough, you should now apologize for seija, for comparing her to /v/.
>>24818705
Is there any point to OP's area? I mean, besides puppets and skill cards. I went there all the way thinking I could find Komachi or Eiki as NPCs, but it's just fucking empty.
>>24818814
Nobody likes being compared to /v/.
Therefore she likes it.
>>24818833
expension probably.
>>24818838
And what are you doing making seija happy?
DING DING DING
TIMES UP!
>>24818705
Now going to face Shinki. I can't wait to battle with you guys soon.
>>24818854
well that's a dick move. Fortunately you can live without it.
I want Wakasagihime to give me a pretty stone.
>>24818833
You have to go there for a post game quest. But yeah, not much. It's a shame, because I love the music.
>>24818864
It's a skill card actually.
>>24819045
Not him, but almost everyone can easily live without it. There are probably only a couple of puppets that would want it.
>>24819070
Yeah, the only one I gave Facade to in my playthrough was Gale Form IkuS.
>>24818854
Is there a itemfinder in the game? does jew kappa gives it to you?
>>24819201
She does give you a nice boat.
>>24819206
nice one.
>>24819201
No itemfinder, and the thing is that's something an itemfinder wouldn't detect anyways since it's not invisible.
>>24818705
To be fair, it's easier to see in motion with the flowers swaying in the wind.
>>24819313
but who has time to even look for it while riding on bike?
>>24818833
there's a hidden orb/pokeball item in the patch which is disguised really well
>>24818833
I believe that pink tree at the end is gonna connect to the Netherworld in the expansion
>>24819201
>Is chibi
>but still has boobs
Hemo, you madman.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS5N0_paQME
What are you guys looking forward for the expansion?
>>24819564
more content
>>24819601
Well, that is a given.
>>24819564
second best girl
>>24819628
Confirmed already, remember how you find Renko and Maribel at the start? well, they were removed and replaced by a sleeping sumireko.
>>24819636
>removing two cool characters for that shitstain
I get they want to be accurate to the timelines, but they could've kept that.
>>24819715
Everything about Renko and Maribel is so fucking vague, is better to not have them nad you are trying to be accurate with canon.
>>24819715
>shitstain
Meet me online and see what happens faggot
>>24819564
a team of clownpieces
>My starter and favorite 2hu ended up being the clutch MVP to hardcore carry me through the 4 Makai fights and finish the game followed up by the credits having you and your starter walking around together.
Hot damn this game has some top notch comfy, I was thinking about picking a different starter for the expansion second playthrough but I can't bring myself to leave Momiji behind now.
I don't know anything about Touhou except that they're witchs/demons/something like that that looks like little girls.
Should I give this a try? It looks very nice but I don't know if being ignorant about Touhou is going to haunt me in the game.
>>24819876
I know almost nothing about Touhou except cute fanart and I had a complete blast with the game.
This is also coming from someone that isn't much a fan of Pokemon either.
>>24819876
It is even better game if you know nothing about all this Touhou bullshit.
>>24819882
>>24819893
Alright, thanks anons.
>>24819900
tell us how it went!
Is anyone hosting?
>>24819943
I guess I will. I'm just starting to download this thing.
>>24819982
before your next question,
either get locale emulator
or change computer languege to jap in the control panel and reunpack the file (or even redownload it)
Power Youmu or Speed Youmu?
which nature?
>>24820037
Speed with a green nature is the most ideal for PvP I believe.
Is there a download for this shit or am I too late to the party? I don't 2hu so I ignored it, but now I regret it.
>>24820358
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ynnmmo4k9noe0cr/%E5%B9%BB%E6%83%B3%E4%BA%BA%E5%BD%A2%E6%BC%94%E8%88%9E.rar
Comes already english patched and ready to go.
Yuki or Mokou?
>>24820393
Yuki is more used in Japanese netplay but they're both pretty on par with each, use whichever you think is cuter or helps round out what your team is lacking in.
>>24820402
What style do they use for Yuki?
>>24820414
Speed with the charge ability.
>>24819876
The touhou games are a very enjoyable series of shmups, if you're interested.
I would suggest starting with Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, the first game made for Windows.
Kind of annoying that most 2hus need their level 70 move, but I think she's done.
All S, Green Emblem, maxed speed and spatk. Anything I overlooked?
How long does it takes to end the main story and what level do you recommed to have my Puppets when I arrive the final boss'
>>24820647
You can finish the game in 2-3 days pretty easily. You'll want the party to be 80ish for e4; be sure to pack healing items to use between them.
>>24820647
Decent amount of time, about 20 hours. You should be around level 80 or so, but it won't be hard to get there with the experience share they give you at some point.
>>24818705
pastebin where?
>>24820665
in ur mom's pussy
>>24818744
>>24818891
I picked up Wakasagihime for shits and giggles because I thought that her sprite was cute as fuck, she ended up being the strongest puppet in my team. She almost swept Shinki's whole fucking team by herself (Shinki's Shinki survived a hit, but I KOed her soon after).
Oh, and what does that "cost" thing in the Puppetbook mean?
>>24820632
OP here.
It looks fine to me.
>>24820682
Cost does two things. It's basically the experience curve for a puppet, where lower numbers mean they level faster. Also, it's used for damage calculations for moves that work like Low Kick.
>>24820682
Its how much does a puppet takes to level
A puppet with 120 cost will take more to level than one with 80 cost
Some skills use cost as damage
>>24820679
savage
Defense or Power Medicine?
>>24820716
Defense for spore.
>>24820716
>Defense or Power [Insert any Puppet here]?
Power, always select Power. There's no Puppet that can be Defensive (for now).
>>24820724
>Yuka
>Alice
>>24820724
Defense Kanako is probably better than Power. Her focus attack isn't much lower and she doesn't suffer from a 4x steel weakness.
>>24820724
Defense Reimu is very good.
>>24820731
>>24820734
>>24820740
THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD AS THEIR POWER FORM BECAUSE I SAY SO.
>>24820724
Stall is dead, that doesn't mean all defensive play is dead.
>>24820724
>sukuna
Do you really need a general for this?
>>24820358
Get Locale Emulator to run it.
I think i'll use this team and see how it goes. Might drop Medicine for Yuuka whenever she shows up.
>>24818705
I miss the old Touhoumon ROMhacks. They were actually pretty awesome, and the story was incredible.
This new one, well...have better sprites, but the story...the story is awful and doesn't have connection with the previous series.
>>24820754
There is basically a beefed-up romhack, and there's a general for that here as well.
>>24820811
>Caring about story
>In touhoumon
The other's ones was also nothing special.
>>24820823
I only play videogames for the story and music.
>>24820835
Why not movies?
>>24820811
I don't remember the stories being particularly good. And they also fought you with outright broken shit you could never get.
>>24820850
>Le if you want story read a book/Marvel comic or watch a movie meme.
Videogames are longer and funnier. I want to watch an amazing story where I'm the protagonist who will save the world/universe. That's why I play videogames.
>>24820872
Then why pick touhoumon hacks instead of some with more remarkable plots?
>>24820882
Because I don't play anything besides Pokémon (hacks included), Mother and other random GB/GBC/GBA/DS/3DS games.
anyody up for online
>>24820902
so host n shit
>>24820906
186.19.217.72:10800
let's hope it works
>>24820811
The only Touhoumon fangames that even remotely have a new story was World Link, Another World and Gensokyo Scenario, and Faith & Prayer Version. World Link was... really mediocre when you got past Hoenn, Another World was basically Gensokyo Scenario translated to english, with Vanilla Fire Red thrown in, and an outstandingly mediocre Gensokyo sub-plot. As for Faith & Prayer Version... Shrug?
The story in tippy dippy is no prize but it's probably better than the first two at the least.
>>24820912
sorry i was smoking weed haha
still couldnt connect tho
>>24820964
The story was cool. The inter-dimensional traveling to save TWO WORLDS of the invasion of the Devil Bonéka with the help of all the most poplar Touhou characters was just...great.
Enhaced 1.8 (its sequel 5 years later) was pretty decent. Not as good as Another World, but pretty fun.
Anyone know a good place to farm magical fragments?
>>24820989
after multiplayer battle you get many :^)
>>24820986
can you host?
>>24820999
37.47.75.37:10800
>>24820989
Mayohiga is the best, I think.
>>24821017
can't connect either
>>24821029
nice
what format do you picked
>>24821031
6v6 basic but I tried all three
>>24820988
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgRLmOsl_Og
1.8 was all about super hard battles, i guess the creator was tired of pokemon being easy (a side effect of knowing the types and weakness)? also, what is this song?
>>24821121
1.8 wasn't really about super hard battles, that was fangame developers thinking that Touhou games are all about being hard. The original 1.8 Fire Red, Hemo's original 1.8, is rather unedited outside of the change between Pokemon to Touhoumon. The level curve remained intact. Enhanced is not the best example of this, considering the developer used several of the unofficial patches to 1.8 Official, translated them to English, and released it.
That being said, Enhanced is probably much better than World Link or Another World was.
>PC's main goal is to stop the puppet incident
Well thats kinda sad but I guess if you look at it a larger perspective, its only right to do so.
>>24821319
Besides, if you don't do it, pic related will get angry with you...
>>24821121
The song is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnLR7uu06XU
Hijiri keeps ending up in my best 2hu box. Fuck off you cunt.
>>24821328
Oh, is a vocal remix of their official theme, that fits.
>>24821332
u got something against titty monk, m8?
>>24821332
Anon, you don't fuck with youkai's jesus
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRbX5yxjUFw
>>24821319
I can understand that, what I can't understand is
>PC's actual main goal is to get out of Gensokyo.
Why?
>>24821350
>Actually believing the words of atransYoukai SJW.
>>24821363
In my mind, they decided to leave once they found out they couldn't even meet their waifu there.
>>24821363
Prolly because PC's only real deal in Gensokyo are puppet dolls. He's screwed after that.
>>24821372
Actually, after solving it, Yukari is happy of letting you go home.
>>24821372
It's mentioned in game that the puppets can't really be harmed by anything except other puppets, so PC should be safe as long as he hangs on to his puppets. Plus, he could utilize them in danmaku.
>>24821370I can't use that reasoning because my waifu is pretty much the first 2hu you talk to.
How in the fuck does someone get a full-S rank puppet?
>>24821458
So puppets are stands? holy shit Shinki, you are crazy.
But them, how the characters managed to capture the first puppet to start with the pokemon style of life?
>>24821469
That's a very good question, and one of the many instances of where the story kind of starts to fall apart when you think about it too hard.
>>24821459
Post-game mechanic called Reincarnation.
http://en.tpdpwiki.net/wiki/Reincarnation
>>24821475
Actually, looking at how MC first puppet came to him/her, i guess some puppets are easy to befriend and join you on their own will.
>>24821498
That's what I was thinking, but Marisa mentions that she's never seen that happen before.
I guess that could be how the first few puppets ended up in people's hand though, I kind of wish they elaborated on that scene.
>>24821482
I've unlocked reincarnation, but I'm not 100% sure how to get the puppets to have S ranks in all of their stats. Does it have to do with the stone things you use in reincarnation?
>>24821482
Wow shit you need to battle other people for stones? That kinda sucks.
>>24821519
when you defeat wild puppets, is the most common Ãtem that you can get it
>>24821511
Anon, Marisa is full of shit, i would never trust her.
>>24821536
reply for >>24821524
>>24821524
Well, not really.
The story throws a shit ton at you, so you should have the max of 255 by the time you beat the game.
Further more, it's a random drop from trainer battle, so you can just grind the Elite 4 for them. Netplay just happens to be a quicker way of grinding them out.
>>24821519
It's explained in the guide what each stone does, but basically you just want to stick whatever two puppets you have in the parent slot, then keep shuffling until you get a puppet with more S ranks than one of the parents. Swap that parent out for the reincarnated puppet, then start swapping out another puppet's stats until you get an even better puppet. Just keep following this pattern until you get perfect puppets.
>>24821542
Nah, her lies are typically pretty transparent and obvious, she wouldn't tell a lie like that.And I trust muh waifu
>>24821519
Yes. Go do Kasen's sidequest before bothering with reincarnation, it saves a ton of time.
>>24821469
I just assumed it was some ghetto sealing thread prototype, maybe made by Reimu.
I don't even know what to use in that fourth slot.
>>24821625
I would get either Changeling or Lost Crisis for utility.
Anyone up for some Waifu Wars?
98.244.27.37:10800 6v6 basic.
>>24821708
cannot find server.
>>24821708
Alright, I messed with my router/other stuff some more, can someone try and see if it's still broken?
why do you guys think SuikaD isn't used more? On paper she seems damn good.
>>24821763
http://gensou-suwako.com/correct/URViewer/URrank.php
She's 5th most used this week.
The tiny touhou is overpowered as shit.
>>24821741
I just tried and yeah, still nothing.
>>24821782
Damn. I don't know what to do then. Has anyone managed to get a server up that worked?
>>24821763
She's likely amazing for the main story and probably post-game as well but in netplay she's too all over the place to really accomplish anything.
Not tanky enough to eat a hit from an extreme nuker hitting type advantage, doesn't do enough damage to one-shot faster bulky offense that will two-shot her before she can two-shot them, can't overpower a good wall's self-sustain.
>>24821775
You're thinking of Sukuna anon, Suika's 64th.
>>24821775
SuikaD, not SukunaD.
Suika is 64th this week it seems. Figured she'd be higher because her kit looks so solid. Perhaps it just doesn't fit into the meta?
>>24821807
Ah, I think you nailed it. Trying to do multiple things at once usually ends badly, and in this game you have puppets that occupy notable extremes
Are you ready?
>>24821836
Yes. Are you?
>>24821350
>That goldfish plant
Nice reference. thats a fairly obscure anime.
And this is why you don't piss off a buddhist monk. If you actually manage to, you are fucked.
>>24821898
autism
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>>24821898
Not yet, I want to get at least one of every 2hu.nice work
>>24821898
Are all them on level 100?
>>24821898
Is this what they call literal autism?
>>24821807
Yeah. SukunaD can take physical fighting moves sometimes and keep going. If she's holding a golden hairpin and has full defense investment (but NO HP investment), AyaP's Transcend Form only has a 12% chance to OHKO assuming it hits; that's a STAB BP130 move hitting a double weakness and SukunaD can SURVIVE it. There's a reason AyaP uses the special attack multi-hit fighting move instead of Transcend Form: It's because SukunaD.
>>24821836
CUTE OVERDOSE DETECTED
>>24821898
Why 3 of each?
>>24821970
all the styles, even the "normal", i guess.
>>24821970
>>24821978
Probably so they can prep for Extra styles in the expansion
>>24821978
>>24822022
Too bad they don't have room for the new puppets.
>>24822446
I'm pretty sure there's like, 29 regular boxes, there should be enough space.
>>24819507
I think you mean you GENIUS.
Does Charon Ferries/First Aid Treatment/Will-o'-Wisp/Field Protect make dis bitch work?
68.196.137.242:10800
See 6/ Pick 3
Is there some sort of chart or info on what all the statues effects do in the game? some are ver obvious (Stop, burn, poison) but others are so much so. (like dark, weak, para)
>>24822508
http://tpdp.supersanctuary.net/manual/#dis
>>24822510
thank you.
I swear the hardest decision on the multiplayer setup screen is the BGM choice.
Anyone wanna help? I'm a shitter at these games and I can't beat any of the trainers post-game except for one. I'm planning on getting speed suwako to counter wind fag puppets.
>>24822485
Don't expect her to survive a single hit, and she's kind of massive set-up bait. Maybe switch Ferries for Miasma?
>>24822485
She's basically Sableye. You absolutely want Will-o-wisp, First-Aid, and Upbeat; fourth slot is up to you but I'd default for either Revolving Illusion or Changeling. She has lots of other cool tech too though if you want to experiment, like Smash Spin, both screens, Shark Trade (w/iron clogs), Confinement, and St. Elmo's Fire.
>>24822492
Host down for now. Not sure if no one's here, or if they were just unable to connect because their settings were different than mine.
Judging by what I've seen, it would be a whole lot better if we could just get a netplay server of sorts for instances where people just can't port forward.
But setting up a showdown or shoddy server sounds like a nightmare.
>>24822649
This portforwarding issue between players remind me of 2hu soku threads before.
>>24822656
Not too surprising, considering port forwarding in general is a fucking pain in the ass.
Which mark for SFuton?
>>24822672
100% Green. She has 135 base Speed, not maxing it is a crime.
Restart game.
Pick your least favorite 2hu.
Hardmode:Give every puppet an orignal name
>>24820688
>op here
excuse me, but you aren't OP. I'm OP.
Where do I get the second combat manual? What the Native Grace gives?
>>24822726
Hakurei Caves
Native Grace doubles exp and pp gained.
>>24822543
Try buying some choice band/assault vest variants from the misty lake vendor. Also, use statup moves and level a bit.
>>24822746
Is there any rematch team which I can defeat with DEiki only?
>Get to Scarlet Mansion
>Suddenly my team becomes full
I should have expected this. It was bound to happen sooner or later. I came here for Sakuya and Meiling and left with those two ALONG WITH Patchouli and Koakuma.
>>24820665
>pastebin
http://pastebin.com/Be1EkRb5
>>24822828
So much waifu puppets to collect.
Wakasagi will always be my favorite though.
>>24821969
My sukunaD has expert body.
didn't see THAT coming, did you?
I hope that when Suwa Foughten Field (hopefully) appears in the expansion that it isn't changed too much from the unused version in the OST.
Is Flandre rare?
I just found her puppet in the Scarlet Mansion randomly.
>>24822884
Rare but you're prolly gonna get lost enough to bump in her puppet a number of times.
>>24822884
I think she has the lowest encounter rate in the game.
>>24822904
>>24822906
Cool, I was curious. I decided to kill her instantly with my Meiling because she's not as cool as her sister.
>>24822920
Just get her and throw her in the puppet box of shame.
>>24822920
I'm not even gotta comment on your taste anon.
Just know that I'm disappointed.
>>24822906
Flandre and Sariel really have the lowest encounter rate: 3,33%
But there's a bunch of others with low rates like 5%, though.
What do I do to improve this team? I've never really been very into competitive Pokemon, so I'm not exactly sure what to do with this.
>>24823036
First step: Nickname your puppets.
Is Yuuka viable?
>>24823036
Looks like a pretty solid team to me.
>>24823051
yes
>>24823066
Which form, spread and moveset?
This fucking ice cave is impossible to navigate, I'm lucky that I found most of the stones. I just need the white stone, but I can't seem to find the damn thing. Anybody know where it is?
>>24823104
>This fucking ice cave is impossible to navigate
It's the easiest cave to navigate in the game.
How do I rename my puppets?
>>24823145
>easiest
I've never really had much of a problem with anything other than this and the SDM, maybe I'm bad in a really strange way. I just want to know where that white stone is.
>>24823150
Go beat Remilia, if you already did, talk with her.
>>24823085
defense form, yuuka is basically steelix with a recovery move and worse special defense, your spread should be maximized focus defense as yuuka has the highest focus defense in the game.
blessing of mana, screw rock, peach bow arrow and a random wild card move
>>24823156
All the stones are in the same basement area, so just slide around the area over it until you find the right ladder.
>trying to get perfect puppet for reincarnation
>using two puppets with perfects in everything but defense as successors
>puppet that's reincarnating is only missing speed
>using blue stone as support
>over 100 tries later, no perfects
Haha, fuck this.
>>24823358
help me i cant save game before reincarnating hurr
>>24823439
>implying that's what I meant
I'm whining because it's taking too long, not because I'm wasting fragments (I'm actually restarting after every 10 fragments so that I don't lose too many while doing this). I think I was pretty clear about that, maybe you should read more carefully.I got that perfect one, by the way.
>>24823358
Just use rainbow stone. You'll get more consistent S's that way.
My sukuna is papery as shit. What stats should I raise on her so she would grow up to be a strong little puppet? She's still normal type.
when pyukari uses attack replacement, is her new sp attack her enemy sp atk or half of that?
>>24823727
when power youkari uses anus replacement enemy puppet uses move that probably 2hkos LMAO
>>24823709
>She's still normal type.
but she isnt you shmuck
>>24823748
enemy new attack isn't halved due to pyuakri's allowance? only base stats are repalced?
>>24823709
Level 30->def Sukuna.
>>24823754
yes retardt
>>24823781
how the hell could you confuse 't' and '.'? are you some new species of idiot?
in that case i can't take your word for it.
>>24823727
anyone?
>>24823748
He meant she didn't evolve yet you retard.
>>24823775
What stat should I raise when I get her to Def type?
finally, all the sprites are uploaded to the wiki
enjoy your alt costumes everyone
(it'll take a while for them to show on their respective pages, but if you go directly to the image file it'll load)
>>24823853
Just pump fo atk and def because miracle mallet.
>>24823857
thanks man
>from /vjp/ autists to /vp/ redditors
i fucking hate you
Where the fuck do I go after beating Yuuka
>>24823908
>i was just being sarcastic
good, so was I.
>>24823915
behind reimu shrine
suika shouldn't be there anymore
>>24823923
...She is though
>>24823926
Go beat up Byakuren.
>>24823926
my bad
try byakuren
>>24819627
I wonder if she'll an updated version of her theme from Puppet Play, like Marisa did.
How do you build D Reimu? She seems like one of those you can do anything and it'll still probably work types.
>>24823930
OH!
thank you
Does this looks like the face of mercy?
>>24824083
i would have kept her in my team, but my main is 110 cost so there is no point.
well, i do some adjustments to my team, because i realized tht yamame is too low to be in team of 110s, but this is just too cheap.
>>24824083
She declares she will kill all the humans while doing this face.
Gah
well, at least hina is close. gonna release this poor thing back to nature.
Does the nimble activity activate on one-time self use items, one-time auto heal items and knocked off items?
>>24824185
What i meant to ask is, if i give diamond to my Yamame and have her use raid, will her speed raise?
>>24823933
And you would be right.
Health, focus attack and both defenses are all perfectly good choices depending on what your team needs to help round it out.
Kanako just taught me the hard way that my team is weak to Wind.
This was my second try, and I only barely won.
>>24824185
>>24824243
I assume it's programmed to work the same way Unburden works in Pokemon, so the answer would be yes. I don't have any puppets with Nimble to test it for you, though.
>PYoshika get wraith form ability
>DYoshika get Nether typing
why
>>24824397
k, thank you.
>That Void Type Earthquake Skill Card that practically everyone can learn
So, is this the appropriate dex for this shit?
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Touhoudex/Touhoudex
I want to get off Youkai Mountain's wild ride.
>>24824690
http://en.tpdpwiki.net/wiki/Puppetdex
>>24824419
I'm going through this right now with Rinnosuke.
The form with Baton Pass only has Howl and Belly Drum to try passing, while the form with Shell Smash has awful typing.
>>24824709
I'd say Youkai Maintain is a low point of the game. Hope you bought 100 super repels like I did
>you just grind shitload of time for not working multi
:DD
>>24824759
Isn't the hamachi good for this game?
>>24824716
the thing about baton pass, you can keep passing it around. so rather than puppet that gives three bonuses, you get yourself a team.
(unless you play smogon)
>>24824776
it is ?
Nice.
>>24824716
what i meant is, its a pity that the style that gets the nether subtype doesn't also get the wraith form.
where is Skill Card 68 aka Drought
>>24824884
http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=520.0
>>24824908
this is first time i have been happy today thanks anon
>>24824908
Thank you mon.
Is this good enough to go against the E4 with or should I grind some more to be safe?
>>24825174
That's definitely fine, not exactly an ideal team comp but they've got enough levels to get the job done if they've got the right stats on them, albeit maybe with a wipe or two.
>>24825174
>his favorite is Flan
>>24825174
grind all to 100 lvl t.b.h
how do you change 2hu on your card
>>24825188
I'm going in then.
>>24825191
I don't really have favorites anymore. I like most of the characters evenly now. Flan was the one I liked the longest so I went with her.
>>24825251Restart.
>>24825251
You can't. Should have picked your favorite from the start.
>>24825267
>>24825266
uh is there list of all 2hu splashes
I find it funny how poison is weak to wind while grass is weak to steel. i would have expected it to be otherwise.
I have given up on trying to make stall work. Too many things that can punch through what walls there are, no single ultra-defensive type like steel, and most of the bulky things are more designed to be bulky attackers rather than wall things. I thought I could make it work, and I tried the PP-stall variant to try and choke things out of coverage moves, but there's too many ways to rip stall to pieces and not enough reasons to even try to make it function. Why did they have to make a rapid spin that couldn't be spin-blocked by basically anything and had enough power to do possibly meaningful damage, especially when stall teams are so reliant on entry hazard damage to wear down enemies? Why are there so many things with great speed and attack/special attack stats but so few things with high HP and high defense/special defense/both? Why are there two entire mechanics dedicated solely to fucking stall tactics over (the weakness status effect and Terrain: Fuck You)?
I thought it was doable because people were always able to make it work in Pokemon, but I underestimated how weak the tools were for a stall team and how strong the things on the other side were.
>>24825278
Well yeah.
>>24825278
splashes?
>>24825284
>everything gets rapid spin
>everything gets taunt
>everything gets set up moves
PROTIP GAME CREATOR DONT LIKE STALL
>>24825278
You can download DXExtract, add 9B16FE3AB9E0A3179A2320AE to the keys.ini file and then extract them from the gamedata1.arc file.
>>24825282
Grass weak to steel makes sense to me. I don't really understand poison being weak to wind but it feels kind of intuitive anyway
>earth is weak to punching
>>24825304
But he likes Hecatia (that is honey).
>>24825284
have you tried disabling your enemy rapid spin via extinguising it's PP? have you tried abusing status moves like gorgon's eye with terrain like byakko (100% accurracy, no crits) or even banquet drunkard (100% stop chance)
continue can remove weakness, and there is a tm move that removes terrain. you could always take out whichever member in the enemy team that blocks your startegy and than resume to stalling.
>>24825347
>guys who draws doujins
>likes sluts
wow
o
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>>24825311
And by that I meant gn_dat1.arc.
>>24825335
earth is rock and ground combined.
>>24825355
Actually, he has only draw two doujins, only two.
>>24825284
For instance, I send out OrangeD to stop my opponent's FutoS dead in it's tracks. I take advantage of the turn to set up stealth trap and FutoS Changelings out into a SukunaD. This leaves OrangeD hurting very badly (base 5 defense + being weak to it = bad times)
What the hell do I do? If I leave OrangeD in she gets blown to pieces by SukunaD, and then I'm out my best defensive option against special attackers. If I switch something else in, I'm at risk of that getting a huge hole punched into it (Earth and Steel is a disgustingly good STAB combo that basically nothing resists both halves of, and when you're dealing with BP120 or BP100 moves with STAB running off of effectively base 150 ATK, that's a very bad situation to be in. If you predicted a Shooting Press and switched in HinaD only to be met with a Chrysanthemum Water, you're in for a very bad time.
And even if you get lucky and switch HinaD in on a Shooting Press, it's still not looking good. You can will'o'wisp and try to cripple her, but then odds are she'll switch out to something that can rip HinaD to pieces with special attacks, like that earlier FutoS who might be able to blow her away with Smash Spin and remove my stealth trap at the same time. So no matter what you're kind of fucked.
You have to be incredibly good at predicting for stall to maybe hold up and the top threats are much stronger offensively than your things are defensively.
>>24825304
There's actually not much in the way of setup sweepers, usually the worst I had to deal with was SukunaD getting the attack boost off of Chrysanthemum Water and thus being able to break walls apart even harder than before.
Smash Spin and Upbeat being universal TMs is just "literally fucking why" though, on top of burn not having an attack drop, dark-inducing moves being not that common (thank fucking good Will'o'Wisp still works), and fuck it I need a distraction.
>>24825304
Literally why
>>24825361
>use eq on bird touhou
>not se
????
>>24825351
>have you tried disabling your enemy rapid spin via extinguising it's PP?
holy shit
you stallfags really have some dedication
>>24825378
>giving my post 2 difrent anwsers
you okay
I guess Hemo and his crew thought that most of the people playing netplay would get BORED if they run into a stalling trainer and just ragequit every time and, unlike nintendo, they cannot ban them. So they figured out that the game was better off without stalling.
>>24825304
What works as a setup sweeper anyways besides the Moody stuff? Only ones I remember are Elly with the Shift Gear and Luna that relies a lot on Infinite Scales to sweep.
>>24825351
Smash Spin has 15 PP. Even with Spite spam that's 3 uses to get rid of it.
Continue is Rest. Rest hasn't been viable as a healing option since about gen 4 thanks to power creep, although healing charm could make it go some distance I suppose.
All the good status moves either already have good enough accuracy to begin with or are limited by a clause in the case of sle-
Oh god there's no sleep clause. Excuse me while I cram MedicineD into the team right fucking now and abuse the shit out of this.
Banquet Drunkard/Barrier Option/Power Drain/Venom Nova (or something else)
Send out when something dies to a special attacker, fire off Banquet, when they switch out to a counter put up the option, then fire off Banquet again while sitting behind a sub. Regain HP from food rations and Power Drain, Venom Nova is there for the STAB damage.
THIS IS BUSTED
>>24825397
I'm tired, give me a break
>>24825378
>not putting at laest 33 pp to orange's def
you had it coming. you know you should have something against phys attaks, because changeling is a god move to run, especially if you are a spa attaker and run into spa wall.
also, in general - i don't know how your battle went till sfuto, but in general- you want a high speed mon with switching on your first slot. if you think you can set up, set up, else lower enemy stats with decresando- a sound type move that lower enemy stats while switching out. really neat.
SukunaD is something furious, it can't be helped ppl have problems with it. best move is to let orange die and kill sukuna with a fightiing mon. your trap was on right? but if you MUST wall a sukunaD, i suggest curiosity akoishi with mind control. no more miracle mallet, she is now useless. waster akoishi is even more usefull in that regard btw, since koishi is already way faster than sukuna.
...than again, it will still ave orange die to sukuna.
btw, Syuugi resist sukunaD stabs. both of them. d kanako, shingyoku, yukari, meiling can stand up to the hyper offance that is sukunaD.
but why use normal traps? stat traps, like bind, are much more usefull for the course of battle.
>>24825459
you can lock enemy into spin via encourage, you can survive 3 spins right?
what about rest on a milotic? because desperate defend exists. anyway, there are other moves that deal with status effects.
>all these desperate efforts to make stalling viable in touhoumon
Just what is so great about it?
>>24825574
It's not great, and that's the point.
Competitive pokemon is focused on being as unfun as possible.
>>24825599
I guess the stalling maniacs find it "fun" somehow.
>>24825574
I like to imagine the despair my opponent is felling when I send out a wall whose counters have already been dealt with.
Ideally stall would also bring out different ways of thinking a strategy, but as it is, it's unviable in PDP and the most boring strategy to play against in Pokemon, so I only really do it when I feel like mocking the other guy.
Either way, just got 2 out of my 6 puppets reincarnated to 6 S, what's a good place to get them xp?
>>24825620
I damn sure most of the people that run into a stalling just ragequi as soon they noticed it.
>>24825620
Ice Cave or Yukari's house.
>>24825620
Youkai Mountain foggy area or Kasen's house. Alternatively, you can go fight one or two of the Makai rematches then gap out to heal and start again.
>>24825459
Send in RaikoP. Active renders her immune to banquet, and she's decently bulky against physical attacks so Medicine's uninvested base 80 attack stat won't be that effective against her. Use Upbeat and shut Banquet down completely, then use Lightning Speed to switch out to something that can rip Medicine to pieces (or whatever it is you chose to switch in).
None of the users of Banquet are very popular at all in online play, even with the ridiculousness of 100% accuracy sleep in a meta with no sleep clause. Good idea on paper, but in reality it doesn't really hold up.
>>24825537
This. Defensive teams are definitely viable, but you have to be much more proactive rather than reactive. There's a reason MamizouD is #2 on the usage charts; she's a great place to start in that regard.
Decredendo isn't that common unfortunately, but SatoriD gets it and she's very good for a defensive team (Magic Bounce for an ability, 100/100/100 defenses, illusion typing is great defensively; only issue is no HP recovery outside of continue). RaikoA also gets it and she's pretty similar to the Rotom formes defensively so that's worth a mention as well.
Trapping enemies is also worth a mention; Assist Chen can lock basically anyone down with her Adverse Wind ability and revenge kill them if needed (base 125 speed outspeeds most things and if you slap a choice specs on will be enough to finish most weakened things off, beware that AyaP and FutoS won't be trapped and do outspeed you, and that SukunaD can just priority you to death)
You can definitely win without hyper offense or set-up sweepers, but you can't just sit around and keep forcing switches with walls until entry hazards kill things. It won't work here and it's basically designed to not work here, because it's really boring to sit through and not fun.I like how a good chunk of stall being unviable is "SukunaD exists", just because she's so tiny and adorable.
>>24825459
>>24825654
Both stall as an archetype and Stop abuse have a slight problem where there are literally 6 evolved things with Curse Return/Magic Bounce.
I kinda feel like bulky offense is the way to go in this game, since overly passive stall is just going to get owned by the ridiculous breakers (Suzaku, Encore+NP Assist Chen, every Curse Return) while HO has difficulties with some of the cleaners (PGyokuto is insane) and can't get hazards up reliably at all due to absolutely nothing having both Free Breathe/Mold Breaker and the ability to set a hazard, not to mention all three of the spinblockers being garbage.
Expansion will probably make things a lot different though, since the new type is going to be immune to Wind and by association Smash Spin. Hopefully we'll see more Free Breathe and less Curse Return, too.
>>24825760
>the new type is going to be immune to Wind
RIP Sanae flinch hax
>>24825760
Wasn't the new type (Dream) just weakness less, but nothing is weak to it too?
Sanae pls.
I think I run a semi-decent semi-stall team, but yeah going pure stall is impossible.
>>24825813
Also someone host, my luck in smogon has been awful today I need some puppets to relax.
186.19.217.72:10800
Someone tell me if you can join this host, 6v6 basic.
>>24826001
They just won't stop.
>>24826014
Can't find server.
>>24824679
>That Void Type Earthquake Skill Card that practically everyone can learn
So you mean that slightly nerfed Return?
>>24826176
try again
>>24824802
>>24826176
I tested a online match with Hamachi using my two notebooks, and the alternate IP seems to work well, you guys that have this error should try to use it, maybe it can work this way.
ID: PDP Arena 01
Pass: 123
>>24826276
I'm installing Hamachi to see if I can join
>>24825654Did you mention Raiko just because you like her
>>24826326
Ok, I joined now what do I have to do?
>>24826355
Let's try a match, but be aware that I just finished the main game and that my team don't have good EVs distribution/IVs/movesets.
Just put my hamachi IP and the port: 25.138.126.196:10800
>>24826379
No luck, unless you haven't set it to 6v6 basic.
>>24826391
Fuck, it's 25.138.126.195:10800
I posted 196 in the last one
>>24826399
And it works.
>>24826351No, because she has decent usage and is immune to stop.
Also it's love, not like. I can't bear to take her off the team for even a literal second.
>Lily loses waster ability on both types
NO WHY
>>24826444
Are you playing online yet, smogonfriend?
>>24826399
GG mate, once you get your puppets all S ranked and pretty we can play again.
>>24826463
The match was so sad that was funny, yeah I'll try to git gud with my puppets.
>>24826512
Become the very best, Anon.
>>24826455
Not yet, I'm having too much fun reincarnating everything and leveling them up
>>24826551
Basically where I'm at. But also getting the dosh for viable items.
Like, fuck, getting a set of choice items was a terror.
can Tri-Effect cause 2 effects at the same time?
>>24826444
I know that feel.Have you played the shmups yet? Or at least the game where Raiko debuted?
>>24826646
this is a good question
I doubt anyone knows
So anyone else wanna host? Hamachi seems to be pretty successful to host
>>24826646
I've never seen it do so, so I kind of doubt it.
>>24826685I probably should, if only so I can lose to her
>>24826746
Why don't you just open your ports?
>>24826760
I did but apparently people can't connect to it regardless.
Feel free to try to join anyways >>24826014
>>24826759
>Not wanting to see all of your favorite's danmaku.
Well, good luck when you do decide on tackling that. Raiko is an Extra Boss, meaning that you'll have to 1cc the gameclear the game without using any continuesbefore you get a chance at playing her stage.
It's worth it though, she's a fun boss.>That second to last card where the pattern synchs up to her theme song.
Her game is called Double Dealing Character, by the way.
>>24826759
You really should even though DDC is pretty much the easiest 2hu official title around. It has a solid lineup of bosses, prolly except for Benben and Notbenben.
>>24826835
>pretty much the easiest 2hu official title around
That's not TD though.
>>24826835
>is pretty much the easiest 2hu official title around.
Even easier than MoF?
>>24826835
I haven't played it but I doubt it's easier than TD, IN or LLS
>>24826870
>>24826864
>>24826883
The resource mechanics of DDC is pretty much the easiest of them all since its just gather lots of pickup items and get extra bomb/health pieces. TD has an awful resource system and IN is easy because of the large generous margin for deathbombing but still manages to screw up resource mechanic with youkai/human side bs and time orbs.
>>24826835
>easiest 2hu official title around
>that fucking Seija gimmick
>>24826923
That's what they are, gimmicks. Atleast she didn't go full retard on the player even on lunatic modo. Not unlike this
https://youtu.be/LxDslVmhYj0?t=7m37s
Anyway anyone mind sharing a link for the recent one?
>>24826835
Nah, easiest objectively is MoF. DDC is only easy as Marisa B or Sakuya A, anyway.
>>24826957
MoF is harder than IN and LLS
>>24826957
If you say MoF is easiest because of Marisa power bug then I'd fucking laugh at you.
>>24826946
>That level of bullshit on fucking Stage 3
I'd hate to see what the Stage 5 boss is like.
>>24826986
Eh, maybe IN, but not LLS.
I mean, if we're talking about Lunatic, then the easiest is probably IN or PCB, but I assumed that we were talking about Normal Mode.
>>24826994
>Not using the vsynch patch to fix that.
Nah, the game is just massively bomb to win, even more so than a typical Touhou game.
>>24826946
Is it wrong that I now want a puppet of pic related? That hat is so ridiculous, I love it.
>>24826790
So she's the super secret final boss.
This is going to suck, time to get good I suppose.
Anyways, what's a good place to grind up money? Want to buy a set of choice items
>>24826946
Beated the Extra of the third game some weeks ago, shit is crazy and dense.Also the "portion" after the extra is mindblowing, though. You're already beat up to the bones (pun intended), and just the fact that there's MORE is laughable, at least you don't have to win.
>>24827095
>tfw we will never have not2hu puppets
Its alright I guess. I can live with Clownpiece and wedding dress Wakasagi.
>>24826835
Excluding the PC-98 games (mainly Lotus Land Story and Mystic Square), Ten Desires is the easiest for me in Normal, I just feel that the game is too gentle with me, it does have very little resources to compensate it, though.
Is Kogasa any good or is she weak as hell
>>24827248
Kogasa-A gets Fairy Dance (+1 spatk/spdef/spe) so I'm inclined to say she has some value.
Speaking of value, is pic related legit or gimmick?
>>24827248
She's very powerful if you can set her up to get her fairy dance buff stacked up and start hardcore sweeping off of it, but pretty bad if you can't.
>>24827272
Rank 17 weekly and 16 overall in Japanese netplay, definitely not just a gimmick.
Gonna need to know what you're doing and be good at creating setups though.
>>24827272
Tell me Kyouko gets the same outfit.
>>24827248
I honestly thought she wasn't any good at all, but apparently KogasaA sees more use on the ladder than FutoS.
I'm surprised.
>>24827304
Your prayers have been answered.
So any fellas wanna netplay?
>>24827306
Kogasa tries her best to keep surprising.
>>24827304
Good call senpai.
>>24827115
>So she's the super secret final boss.
More or less. If you're having trouble unlocking her, I would suggest playing as Sakuya's A shottype, the one with homing.
>Anyways, what's a good place to grind up money? Want to buy a set of choice items
I've found that Grinding the Elite 4 is the best way to make money. If you can cleanly sweep the first member, just beat her, gap out, and repeat the process.
Otherwise, just grind wild puppets either behind Kasen's home, or near Yukari's home.
I don't know anything about 2hu
is Awooo girl good in this?
>>24827315
I don't get it
>>24827306
Oh wow she does. That actually surprised me.
>>24827309
>>24827319
She just looks like a blind girl here.
>>24827327Kogasa canonically enjoys going around surprising people, and that's kind of how she survives as a youkai.She's not very good at it though.
>>24827326
I chose her as my starter and didn't regret it at all.
Defense style is amazing for cheesing your way through AI battles where speed style is pretty straightforward damage output with a good setup buff and beefy enough to take a hit or two and can see use in netplay.
>>24827334
It's a reference to this.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism:_Bunbunmaru_Newspaper_1
>>24827319
Mystia should have two outfits, I also want stall Mystia.
>>24827371
I know about that. I'm just commenting on how Mystia looks like a badass but Kyouko looks like a beggar using a walkingstick.
>>24827348
She just jumped from level 1 to level 59 in one fight.
Are you certain she's bad at it
>You can gap back to Makai and grind through the first 3 as much as you want.
I spent so much time in that grass.
I am starting to think that the cuter a puppet is, the more dangerous it is
>>24827637
What makes you say that?
>>24827637
You might be onto something.
>>24827637
If that was true, Mokou would be a lot better.
>>24827689
Well, for starters, Rika is the ugliest puppet, and she's about as threatening as a legless Shih Tzu.
>>24827699
Dems fighting words anon.
>>24827692
>Quiver Dance + Softboiled
>the cute
Oh god I can't tell whether to feel disgusted or happy
>>24827136
Fuck now I want len'en puppets too. Maybe in a perfect world.
>>24827829
Infinite Scales is the equivalent to Stored Power.
So that's Quiver Dance + Stored Power + Softboiled.
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
>>24827927
It's a damn shame that she doesn't get any other good attacks aside from setting up infinite scales.
If she had something else to help expand her options her destructiveness would be directly proportional to her cuteness.
>GyokutoP has base 115 ATK, effectively scrappy for an ability, and access to both STAB Extremespeed and Swords Dance
>this is somehow not enough to be relevant, even with the parallels to Extremekiller Arceus
>KogasaA is somehow more popular than FutoS
>not a single user of Banquet is in the top 50
This meta makes no sense
>>24827966
Cold Rain is pretty good on her.
>>24828019
Medicine is technically the most viable Banquet user but she gets fucked by everything in the meta.
>>24828032
80 accuracy and 5 uses is pretty rough, never feels good having a 20% chance to just lose a unit with nothing you can do about it.
Especially on a unit that you likely just spent 2 or 3 turns getting buffed up only for them to whiff and die.
>>24828019
>60/65/65 defenses
>Fairy Dance and Behind You!
>the only user of Banquet that isn't rubbish is MedicineD, who is eaten alive by the metagame anyways
>>24828019
Outside of hypercompetitive battling (in which case a few rise to the top of the pool), the metagame is "pick your favorite 2hus and then have them fight someone else's favorite 2hus"
>>24825459
save your rations, give her vat of poison
also, while d forms are bulk, a forms got the really usefull movepools.
btw, what do you think of this set for a DYoshika?
ability - inverse reaction
power spot
poison trap
love or pain
grim reaper/ spiral
i choose inverse reaction over desperate defend because when people switcch out, thll probably switch out to something that is se on miasama/nether, so remove their coverage.
btw, what prevents continue to be vialble, and is it saved by desperate defend and negative mist?
>>24827829
They sure had fun with the Infinite Scale puppets.
Who is the Maki Nishikino of TPDP?
>>24828173
>ghost curse + wish
>>24828356
>>24828356
>>24828356
New bread,eat before Yuyuko or Ringo does it.
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