This is /vgc/ general. Vgc is the official format by the tpci.
http://nuggetbridge.com/
Main vgc site.
http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/18611-article-and-resource-index/#entry222875
Has a lot of the players blogs to their team reports.
https://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/pokemon-events/find-an-event/
Event locator
http://nuggetbridge.com/damagecalc/
Damage calculator for vgc. Sets pokemon at lv50
http://survivalcalc.appspot.com/
Find the minimum evs to survive a hit. Also calcs the best split of hp vs defenses
Use pastebin to show your team. Also please describe your team too for the love of god otherwise others can't help. Don't be a faggot. Also, I'm not the guy who normally has done this post in the past, so I'll be doing this thread for right now. I'll try to get these up more consistently than I have.
Question(s): What are some good cores to build around for 2016? What are different sets they can run?
Done throwing my bitchfit over the format and am now looking at my first showdown team of the year, right now I've got
>Power herb xerneas
>Mega fug
>Thundurus
>Amoonguss for redirection
One of the two slots has to be another physical option, and I need a better matchup against groudon somehow
G-d bless power creep :^)
>>24817714
Groudon is good against Groudon, but if your Xerneas is set up, then it'll run over Groudon pretty easy
rmt pdon/mega milf/xern/cress + 2
>>24817714
You need a groudon.
>>24817976
its shit unless the +2 are talonflame and intimisomething.
>>24817979
no love for amoongus/redirection? and is smogonbird even good? I feel like it kinda gets murked by p-ogre + its common partners
>>24817993
priority 40ish% on most things is great
>>24817993
Talonflame is pretty good but mainly because of how well it supports Xerneas and other stuff, its damage output isn't that good
>>24817607
I initially read that as 'poon'
based on an irl account of a smogonfag playing vgc 2016 :^)))
>>24819548
cpg should stick to ou desu
With the amount of legendary dragons in the game, Clefable or Togekiss seem to be better redirectors than Amoonguss, but spore is still broken.
Whimsicott sounds like a good counter to geomanxy Xerneas with taunt and encore.
Personally I had most success on Showdown with Xerneas-Groudon core, and with a Dialga-Kyogr trick room team.
>>24819586
Amoonguss is still a lot better, it actually does well against Kyogre/Xerneas. None of the dragon legends even use dragon moves anyway I don't think
>>24819586
I actually prefer amoonguss. Water resist + Spore. Foul Play for decent damage output. I've been running Coba Berry for Rayquaza's.
>>24819608
Draco Metero is still common considering most teams will have at least 1 dragon uber.
>>24819548
that image is a disgrace to gradeaundera
how dare you
>>24819623
not really, it's hard to fit a dragon legend on your team when the primals and Xerneas are so good
>all this mentioning of Pdon
Seems I picked the wrong game, and to choose not to powersave.
>>24819744
Xerneas is not that good, its kind of useless without its boost, and gets shut down by: steel types, taunt, thunder wave, poison coverage moves. Only time I had trouble with it was when a quick claw smeargle voided both my pokemon.
>>24819700
rude desu family
>>24817714
Landorus (both incarnate and therian)
Kangaskhan
Gastrodon
:)
>>24819548
Uh, thanks for the cancer I guess
252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Flare Blitz vs. 60 HP / 36 Def Xerneas in Harsh Sunshine: 208-247 (99.5 - 118.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Blaziken Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primal Kyogre: 152-179 (73.4 - 86.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Why is Blaziken so strong
>>24820173
Good luck 2HKOing Kyogre when it just KOs you with 1 attack. Just like every other Pokemon in VGC.
>>24820173
lol between LO and flare blitz recoil you get two attacks off at most
Is Mewtwo shit for VGC16? I see almost no one talking about it.
Mewtwo @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psystrike
- Shadow Ball
- Aura Sphere
- Protect
I've been using this to some success. I'd run Y, but I'm already running Mega-Mom and I don't feel like running dual mega is the way to go this format.
pretty funny that the vgc ladder on PS is flooded with people who do things like fake out crobat and don't run protect on any pokemon. my first impressions on this format: I agree with ray, groudon is the best primal and best pokemon. two restricted pokemon (like groudon + xerneas) is the best way to go. I liked mega rayquaza at first but the fact that it takes up a restricted slot and a mega slot makes it pretty bad.
last thing I'll say is if you're not running groudon/khan/xerneas you need a pretty good reason why
oh yeah, I should mention that crobat is good now. really good. the set I'm running is this
Crobat @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Super Fang
- Taunt
- Tailwind
- Quick Guard
you could run focus sash or even goggles or mental herb or something though, the lum is just because I was pissed off at scarf smeargle
I've got the meta game figured out. Moody transform smeargle and powerherb xern have caused five rage quits in a row.
>>24822579
What does your Mewtwo typically accomplish? It's so frail I see it only taking two hits at the most without necessarily being able to OHKO many things.
>>24823349
>people who do things like fake out crobat and don't run protect on any pokemon.
>fake out crobat
I don't understand this statement.
>>24823838
Crobat has inner focus
>>24823842
Ah, I misread that to mean people who run Fake Out on Crobat. I run Crobat myself, though I'm thinking of replacing it.
On another note, I think Yveltal will be a bit of a sleeper while Xerneas is running rampant, but it still makes physical attackers cry and even checks common techs like Aegislash.
>>24823825
This meta is complete garbage.
>>24817607
So, are we all agreed that the new meta is hackers paradise garbage and that the only sensible option was to ban the genies and megamilf?
>>24823997
They've never banned things or restricted the meta after it opened up.
Removing the pentagon rule and releasing gems would help open up the meta. Defiant Tornadus shits on 3/5 of Chalk.
>>24823825
yeah just like Kahn artist dominated 14 and 15 rite
So... now that Xerneas is going to be op, which do u think its the best nature? Timid or Modest?
>>24824319
Timid, the speed's important for when you can't geomancy.
Ive been testing Weakness Policy Yveltal. I use snarl to lower opponents special attack, tank the super effective hit, then spam +2 Oblivion Wings to regain health. Kinda inconsistent, I want to keep working on the idea. Dark Aura is cool to pair with Mega Mawile spamming Knock Off and Sucker Punch.
>>24823825
Imagine if that Xerneas knew Psych Up and used it on Smeargle.
>>24824567
That's what Yoshi did on one of his youtube videos, no? What about Xerneas+Mawile to get fairy aura play roughs off?
>Xerneas is op
My max attack, choice band Gunk Shot Greninja says hello :^)
>>24824847
>implying your not already asleep or burned or fake'd out
>>24824748
Who?
>>24824941
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUjtxR2hqkxwS0Yco-MBcmg
>>24824886
Yeah, I just tried to run it with Smeargle and its really stupid.
Though I run a fake Out-er with my Greninja so I can either OHOK Xerneas or atleast stop it from boosting.
Been a long time since I've been around for the beginning of a format, forgot how crazy and up in the air everything can be.
Have any of you nailed down any defensive/offensive benchmarks to calc for? Like can you reasonably assume most Xerneas are Modest + max SpAtk, or are a lot of them Timid to outspeed opposing Xerneas? Not limited to that one 'mon, of course.
252+ Atk Black Glasses Dark Aura Yveltal Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 186-222 (81.9 - 97.7%)
Hory sheet
Sucker Punch has some lulzy calcs too
wtf is a PDON ???
>>24825269
primal groudon
>Dark Void still a thing
What a joke. Gen 5 still had the best VGC metas.
>>24825300
A gen5 gs cup would have been great
>>24825300
git gud
>>24825300
A Dark Void re-ban would be great, but mostly I just want to go back to before people realised how good Swagger can be.
>>24823825
Nice edit on the name, That's Cool
>>24823825
How do you kill Groudon?
Has anyone managed to get any perfect IV ubers yet? I'm back with my big list of things I've cloned, though most things aren't relevant any more.
http://pastebin.com/61z9x5Gm
I can edit IVs and shit too but I'd rather clone legit stuff.
>>24825314
Yeah, no Geomancy, no DV, no megas, no primals, gems allowing weak pokemon to keep up with ubers...
I'm sad we didn't get it.
>>24825392
shit wrong paste
http://pastebin.com/PjMpptYk
>>24825384
Hp ground
>>24817714
hidden power ground on xern
Are we going to be able to use Volcanion when it's released?
>>24824941
Wolfe's boyfriend
>>24825755
No because its an event mon.
>>24825350
>I just want to go back to before people realised how good Swagger can be.
Are people really running it right now? It's even riskier than in 2015's format.
>>24825733
Grass knot does the same damage and fucks Kyogre while you're at it.
And it's easier to soft reset for :^)
>>24825913
HP Ground is generally better for steels
>>24825757
Markus is cute leave him alone. He's my vgc husbando.
>>24825958
Sorry. I ship Wolfe x Markus so hard.
>>24825872
Thunder Wave + Swagger is still the best way to shut down special attackers.
>be smogonshit
>come into vgkekland
Haha haha HOLY SHIT
What the fuck even is this?
You guys aren't even talking about how skill, new strategies, builds, Pokemon that have gotten good in a new format, it's all just spamming primals and other overpowered mons and cheating.
But GF's 'official format' and 'Japanese players who are the best in the world', amirite guys? LOL
>>24825384
With Groudon
Anyone care to give me constructive criticism about my team? Thanks!
http://pastebin.com/jACU9uLx
yeah vgc 2016 is turning out to be a massive shitshow. the outcome of a match is 100 percent dependent on what happens turn 1 which is an indicator of a terrible metagame. like wolfe and many others have said on nb forums people win games by clicking heat wave and hyper voice, now they'll win them by clicking precipice blades and origin pulse. I've personally watched stempe, daflo and james baek's ELOs on showdown fluctuate by 300+ points in a given day, this meta is extremely volatile and I'm looking forward to bad results at events, shitty players overperforming and good players underperforming
>>24828834
You'll probably want jolly max speed on Kangaskhan to outspeed common shit like Xerneas and the primals.
Also, Low Kick has mch higher damage output than Drain Punch.
>>24825392
>Has anyone managed to get any perfect IV ubers yet?
Yeah, it's not that hard this gen.
http://hastebin.com/uhacavuleg.md
Help me fix my team.
I did a bit of testing on PS the day after the ruleset was released, thinking this core will be decent (I'd post an actual list off PS but I'm on my phone):
Xerneas
Amoongus (Best lead unless I see a Prankster user, fucking Goggles) possibly with Worry Seed because it stops Primal Weathers.
Bulky PDon, was using MMew X but it's lackluster
Banded Talon with WoW
Trying to decide on a Mega and 6th mon. I'm thinking it needs a Water mon and Prankster. (read: Thundy)
>>24829279
Why Spiky over King's Shield?
Why those EVs on Smear?
>Swag Aegis
Absolutely evil, I might have to consider this.
so can I use mega fug on vgc now ?
>>24829936
Yes you can
>>24829106
This.
If you thought the masters final was bad. Just you wait.
>>24829901
>http://hastebin.com/uhacavuleg.md
It;s just what I have battle ready right now, I think King Shield might be better.
Swagger also fucks many people over, it's a nice move.
>>24829901
King's Shield doesn't protect from taunting.
>>24825406
Will you be getting your hands on any of the new Ubers?
>>24830499
Keep Spiky Shield, it protects against status unlike King's Shield
>>24831016
I don't have any yet, but I very much want some!
>>24829188
Thanks, I'll switch things up on Kanga and see how it goes.
>>24831134
Since I'm pretty much done with Pokemon, I can give you a Groudon I SRd for a year ago; you'd probably make better use of it than me. It's Adamant and 6IV (I think? I don't remember anymore).
>>24831472
Sure, but I can clone it and give it back instead of just taking it.
>>24831486
I don't need it since I'm quitting (competitive, at least) Pokemon. Just upload something to the GTS so I can send it to you.
>>24831497
I put up a level 8 male nincada, with /vp/ in the message.
>>24831529
It's all yours. I had to take Precipice Blades off it because apparently that makes it untradeable though.
>>24831550
Thanks!
>>24831558
No problem.
The opposing Kyurem-Black used Hidden Power!
The Water-type attack evaporated in the harsh sunlight!
I've been using an exeggutor with pdon and it's been working really well for me. Granted it's pretty frail but it hits like a truck.
Exeggutor @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Level: 50
EVs: 52 HP / 4 Def / 248 SpA / 204 Spe
Modest Nature
- Protect
- Leaf Storm
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Ground]
Thinking about running a choice specs set. Speed is to outspeed max speed crobat under sunlight. Thoughts?
Mega Sceptile will go uber thanks to new meta screenshot this
>http://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/worlds/2016/vg-competitor-information/
CP Bar/World invite info is out.
Why is Euro so low? I'm only one extremely mediocre reg finish away from it, might not even have to play any '16 rules to get in.
>>24832383
qualifying in Europe has always been relatively easy
>>24832383
>Latin America 150CP
Damn, that's really low. I mean, I'm glad since that means I'm already classified since I won a premier and got 2nd at a regional, but it's way too easy. I guess they make up for it by giving so few day 2 invites
>>24832172
>Sceptile will go uber
I don't think it will be very used at all. I do think it can work, if you make it. It can do some nice damage to a lot of things, and being able to carry grass knot instead of leaf storm is great, also I think in this meta it can afford to run modest, which is pretty good too. But, it really needs the lighting rod boost to get KOs and it can only attack one target at the time. Sure, you can not boost it and it will still do a decent chunk to the primals, dragons, even xerneas and dialga will lose about 40%, but won't get the KOs unless they're already damaged, and it will be KO'd back. I used it a lot last season and, while I think it was a good pick, it couldn't really take 2 neutral hits from anything decently strong, which means the 90% of the common things this meta can OHKO it easily
>>24832677
M Sceptile can OHKO Primal Kyogre with grass knot if I'm not mistaken, but he is a niche I understand what you mean
Why is Kangaskhan so fucking good?
Somehow she can go toe to toe with ubers and sometimes even win. She's even better than in 2015 due to shitting on so many common leads with Fake Out.
I really wanted to use Mega Ray but Kangaskhan just adds more to a team.
So what are some cores that include M-Salamence? I've read up that it can be a PDon wrecker apparently.
>>24835616
Check the sample team thread on NB, it has a bunch
Does anyone have a palkia, reshiram, or ho-oh? I don't care about nature/IVs, I just want a pentagon one.
Also, I'm going to edit a bunch of legendaries for now until soft-resetted ones start floating around. What are the best natures for:
>yveltal
>zekrom
>dialga
>giratina
>lugia
?
>>24835122
Not really
>252+ SpA Mega Sceptile Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primal Kyogre: 164-194 (79.2 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>24837072
at least it looks cool, I guess. if there was a nice discharge user to use alongside it, maybe it wouldn't be so disappointing
>>24837028
>Adamant Yveltal
>Adamant Zekrom
>Quiet Dialga
>Adamant Giratina-O
>Timid Lugia
Be sure to make Dialga have Telepathy from that japanese event :^)
can we just skip this year and start speculating on vgc 16?
>>24837890
>Be sure to make Dialga have Telepathy from that japanese event :^)
that one is modest though
So is Golduck really viable in this meta or just a shitty gimmick?
>>24837948
Both.
>>24837948
the latter
>>24837948
The best part about Golduck is Simple Beam. If you wanna use it just to kill Groudon then it won't work.
>>24837948
it's like shedinja, you can use it and do well with it, but "viable" is kind of a strong word. it has some things going for it (cloud nine, soak, simple beam) which happen to be useful in some kinda common scenarios, but it's used enough for most competent players to be "prepared" for it
>>24831747
You're wasting 4 evs in special attack. Stick em in special defense
>>24839165
It's because (the standard) HP Ground needs the SpA IV to be 30, so at level 50 248 EVs gives the same stat as 252.
>>24835155
That's why anyone with even a modicum of intelligence was laughing at all the posts about how Mega Fug would unabashedly dominate the format.
>>24837948
>>24838054
>Both
I agree, shitty teams will just throw it on there, but the potenetial for one to do real work is there.
>>24837890
>Be sure to make Dialga have Telepathy from that japanese event
You can also get one if you have Black/White 2, that one game app where you shoot the clouds, and a copy of Diamond.
>>24841230
Pentagon
What's the SID for the Dialga/Palkia events with Telepathy?
>>24841235
my bad
>>24841264
00082
I‘ll gen one and test it online. Fuck japs. Fuck exclusive events.
>>24830499
How useful are you finding Transform on a Sashed Smeargle? I'm guessing the main purpose would be getting a second boosted Xerneas on the field, but I feel that's the only viable scenario and that depends if you can even pull it off.
Also how are you finding Swagger on Aegislash? I feel like turning Aegislash into more of a support mon is a cool call, but I'd be worried of having so much taunt bait on the team.
>>24839165
>hp ground
>>24841617
not that guy, but transform smeargle is pretty legit, more so in this meta where things love to set up
>>24841667
>more so in this meta where things love to set up
Makes me wonder if Psych Up or Snatch will be used more often.
>>24841681
i've seen and used psych up, it's great if you have a xerneas yourself, not so much if you have to predict your opponent to boost. I think snatch doesn't work with geomancy
>>24841718
I assume Snatch would stop the opponent's Geomancy from working, but make you take a charging turn instead of stealing the effects of their power herb, so that's kind of crap.
>>24841667
The thing I'm primarily concerned about is that with any damage on it (likely 1 HP left with Sash) a non-scarfed Transform is even more restricted than usual.
>>24841728
A Power Herb basically uses the "second turn" of the move, so Snatch doesn't detect a boost in the first place.
Even a 1 HP transformed Smeargle is a threat. I mean, this is the OHKO: the meta, after all.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-305965042
reminder
>>24841794
well yes, but if you have 2 boosted xerneas on your side, unless your opponent has priority, most likely you will knock them out before they take the 1hp from your "xerneas"
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-306213164
I FUCKING LOVE SPEED TIES
>>24837948
Then I'm guessing Lickilicky is in the same boat right?
>>24846894
nah, lickilicky and altaria just sit there and do nothing. At least golduck can OHKO groudon and has a decent support movepool, and can pull off gimmicks like simple beaming a geomancy xerneas or soaking a shedinja.
Hello vp, could you rate my team and help me improved?
Xerneas @ Power Herb
Ability: Fairy Aura
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SpA / 172 Spe
Modest Nature
- Protect
- Geomancy
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power [Ground]
Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Def / 52 SpD / 68 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Double-Edge
- Sucker Punch
- Power-Up Punch
Nidoking @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Protect
- Sludge Bomb
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
Togekiss @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 4 SpA / 28 SpD / 60 Spe
Bold Nature
- Protect
- Tailwind
- Air Slash
- Follow Me
Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 204 HP / 92 Atk / 124 Def / 4 SpA / 84 Spe
Naughty Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Precipice Blades
- Overheat
- Stone Edge
- Protect
Liepard @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Taunt
- Encore
- Fake Tears
>>24847592
>Use pastebin to show your team. Also please describe your team too for the love of god otherwise others can't help. Don't be a faggot.
>>24847592
togekiss is bad in a meta filled with teams built around killing fairies
use amoonguss instead
>>24851544
I think toge was for tailwind so amoongus can't really help with that
Crobat used Swagger!
The opposing Groudon's Attack rose sharply!
The opposing Groudon became confused!
Yveltal used Foul Play!
The opposing Groudon lost 100% of its health!
Yveltal lost some of its HP!
>>24854761
>During that time, Xerneas used Geomancy.
>Xerneas swept.
Posting my team, with explanations/descriptions of mons and sets. I'd love to place at Regionals one day, so please help me out! Thank you!
http://pastebin.com/D9ZUKpNY
>>24855582
From my experience, ice type isn't as important on this format as it was in '15, so I you shouldn't worry too much about it.
Draco meteor instead of Dragon Claw is also viable on Rayquaza, even uninvested deals a little more damage on neutral hits and quite more on super effective hits (considering most things rather be bulky on the physical side)
I don't see you having a good way to counter a Xerneas+Kanga lead, and Kyogre could also give you problems. I think an amoonguss could put in some work in your team, since it's good against kyogre and xerneas and decent against kangaskhan, and you seem to have groudon pretty covered.
>>24858312
So mixed Rayquaza? Should I make mine Naive, then? Who shall I replace with Amoonguss? Thank you so much for help.
>>24859044
Jolly is fine, since it gets the KOs anyway, I think.
I would probably replace Talonflame, and give tailwind to Giratina over thunderbolt. Your team doesn't seem to need tailwind very much anyway, so you could keep thunderbolt (has it been useful for you?) or use protect/will o wisp.
When trying out the shroom, keep in mind grass knot hits a lot of things for max damage so it may be worth using over giga drain if Kyogre bothers you.
Hope this helps. It's kinda hard for me to think what would be good for a team without using it, specially on a format I'm still trying to learn, so if my advice turns out to be bad let me know. Also, when practicing, try to note if any particular mon/combo/strategy gives you problems or if there's a move/mon that's not quite working out. 252/252 spreads are usually fine, so don't worry too much about it.
>>24859983
Alright, I'll keep it jolly, thanks! Should I invest max Sp.Atk in Amoonguss so that it'll take down Kyogre? If you want to, we can battle so you can see how I use my team. Thanks so much.
>>24860257
84 SpA Amoonguss Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Primal Kyogre: 90-108 (51.4 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I'm not sure how much bulk kyogre usually runs, but I think investing in bulk is the priority for Amoonguss though. Sure, if you want to battle I'm in showdown, at the vgc roomsmugspeed1
>>24860976
Sent you a challenge. Thanks!
Hello, i was wondering about using solar beam with groudon.
explain why/why not should i use it
>>24861079
Because of how common Mega Fug is, if it switches in, you'll be trap doing a pointless move resulting in losing valuable tempo.
>>24861182
>Because of how common Mega Fug
it's not that common, I'd worry more about kyogre though
>>24861199
If you have Sun up, kyogre is of little issue, and if rain is up, Groudon cannot deal with Kyogre. Either way, Solarbeam is a waste due to how weather can shift out of your favor very quickly. I would invest in Thunder Wave or something, so you consistently cripple something.
>>24861252
How about using thunder as a counter to kyogre?
>>24861294
It would require too much prediction to be useful, besides, Precipice Blades does more damage.
>>24861328
I was unsure about precipice blades too because the accuracy but i won't mind anymore just because is very awarding doing a crucial hit with it.
My standard set is:
Protect
Precipice Blades
Rock Slide
Fire Punch
Thinking about remplacing Rock Slide by another move as the ones i said before but i will try thunder wave because i already have another rock slide user
When and where is missouri regionals?
so how's the meta?
>>24865774
it's slowed down a bit since last week but it's still nuts
>>24861252
This, honestly.
I once had a p-don/mega houndoom offensive core.I figured why the hell not, base 140 spa x 1.5 stab x 1.5 solar power boost x 1.5 sun boosted fire moves would be deadlyAnyway, I was down to just those two and the opponent had p-ogre sitting in the back. I predict a swap and t-wave it. I then proceed to beat it and the other three pokes through parahax and dark pulse flinches. It's not something you want to rely on, but if you pray to RNGesus, he might help you out of an unwinnable situation.
>>24864902
check the pokemon.com website
>24817607
>Hey there! As you probably know by now, the VGC 2016 format includes previously banned legendary Pokemon like Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza.
What?
Why would they do this?
>>24825392
>I can edit IVs and shit too but I'd rather clone legit stuff.
Are you literally retarded? There's no difference between editing and cloning, since both methods inject data into your game. Or does cloning make you feel like you 'only cheat a little' in a kids game?
>>24868989
It's because people on other forums are picky about that sort of thing.
I know they're identical. I use edited stuff all the time. But if I keep a good amount of tradeable non-edited stuff, it's easier for me to get other things whenever I want.
also I got shiny xerneas and yveltals now
what natures do you guys want? I'll do a giveaway
>>24869194
Timid on xerneas, timid on yveltal
>>24839329
very true, didn't notice that. thanks!
