>lets make a type with 0 defensive qualities
>None of the pokemon are good offensively but its a good coverage move for literally every water type
>lets make some great type combo that give 6+ weaknesses
WHY DOES ICE TYPE EXIST
Ice types are pretty cool m8
>>24793762
Chill out senpai.
>>24793773
>>24793788
STOP WITH THE ICE PUNS
MY FAVORITE TYPE DESERVES BETTER
ice loses its rock weakness. rock resists ice
hail raises ice type defense by X% and give some shit pokemon snow warning like delibird and ice cream
does this not fix everything?
>>24793914
It really pisses me off that sandstorm gave rock types a buff while with hail ice types wereleft in the cold.
Flying resistance.
Ground resistance.
There, now ice types went from "only one resistance" to "combination of three of the game's best resists that up until this point were only simultaneously resisted by rotom and bronzong".
>>24794504
It's such an obvious fix.
>>24794504
>>24794537
>still water neutral
I'm ok with this
>>24794787
The key is to not go overboard. Flying and ground are so important as attacking types that just those two resists would be enough. Still, better freeze dry distribution would be nice.
>>24794537
>flying is weak to electric because you can't fly in a thunderstorm
>electric resists flying
>flying is weak to rock because you can't fly in a sandstorm
>rock resists flying
>flying is weak to ice because you can't fly in a blizzard
>ice...
>>24794504
Add Fairy and Grass resistance.
>>24795452
Grass doesn't need more resistances, fairy does need a nerf and ice having a fairy AND ground resist would be absolutely perfect.
On the other hand, you could give grass the fairy resist, buffing grass and nerfing fairy all at once
>>24795457
Well, while we're nerfing Fairy...Ditch their Dragon Immunity. Make Dragon Super Effective against it.
ice types are the glass cannon of pokemon
>>24795467
>Ditch their Dragon Immunity. Make Dragon Super Effective against it.
>defeating the whole point of fairies
>>24795470
Only in gen 4 and up. Before they were offensive tanks.
>>24795473
>implying they did a good job of it.
>>24795470
Bullshit the only glass cannons are Weavile and M-Glalie. The rest are bulky with a slight learn towards SpA.
>>24793914
Ice now resists Flying
hail raises ice type defense by 50%
90% of ice types now learn Freezy Dry, which is buffed to 80BP
>>24794146
it's because both weathers have 2 effects, hail and sandstorm cause damage and one gives 100% to a move where the other buffs the SpDef of Rock types
Why people want ice to resist flying? That's random as fuck. If you want to nerf something, water still has only 2 resists.
>>24793762
Objectively best ice changes:
Additional Offensive
2× rock
Fairy
Additional Defensive
0x grass
Poison
.5× dragon
Fairy
Bird
Electric
1x rock
>>24795537
Yeah, but flying has Gale Wings and Aerilate, and half the dragons carry flying moves. With this you can at least balance Salamence a bit. It at least makes sense since Ice hits flying SE.
Water's fine as it is right now because nothing overly broken uses water right now. It's mostly scald defensive spam or STAB from something like Keldeo, and the former should be fixed by fixing scald whereas the latter doesn't really need a nerf compared to everything else.
>>24795537
Water attacks are resisted by three types
>water
>grass
>dragon
>>24795550
In VGC rain teams are oppressive as fuck.
>>24795551
Derp. Guess water is fine then.
>>24795550
Scald
2x grass
Steel
Ice
>too hot for those types
+.3× damage Ground
Rock
Bypasses sturdy
>better solvent due to the heat
>>24795563
That's at least semi-balanced out by how top 8 of the last VGC series was all the same team with slight differences on type representation.
A bit of water feels like a nice change in pace
>>24793762
>WHY DOES ICE TYPE EXIST
1. its a cool type for people who like it.
2. dragon type needed a weakness that wasn't itself, and fairy is a new thing
aren't those reasons enough?
>>24795587
no
fairy was just added and it does ices job better + its not shit
>>24795473
Okay, fine...
Fairy merely resists Dragon. But Dragon resists Fairy.
So Fairy keeps its purpose sort of, but as a defensive check to Dragons rather than offensive like Ice.
>Ice now resists Dragon and Water
>Drop the Rock weakness
Ice is an offensive type.
To be fair, Ice/ Ground STAB covers a lot of mons.
It's not as bad as Rock, at least.
Also, >>24795587 I see your Cirno and raise you.
>>24795701
Rock offensive is better handled than Ice offensive since there are actual Rock Pokemon who can use rock moves and aren't complete wastes of space compared to Water types filling in for ice.
Vaporeon and Milotic do 90% of ice Pokemons' jobs better than them.
>>24795685
But that's stupid anon. They made it clear why Fairy fucks Dragon.
I agree, that maybe Fairy should only resist Dragon, but there's no way Dragon should resist Fairy. That's like saying Steel resist Poison and Poison resist Steel.
>>24793762
GF wanted to make Ice a glass cannon type from the get-go. Go fast, deal damage, but not take damage.
Though from my experience in competitive, Thick Fat Mamo is a lot bulkier than you'd expect, and is a good 3HKO in a lot of cases. I found myself cutting out the stealth rocks, strapping an assault vest on him, and go full HP and Attack and just crush things into the ground.
the balance comes from Ice's god tier offensive output, with 4x effectiveness on the game's most objectively good mons, your Garchomp's, your Lando-T's, and so on.
also, choice band Weavile is CASH.
>>24795646
fairy isn't as cool as ice, only sissies use fairies.
>>24795441
Ice resists should be ice/flying/fairy/water?
Also why is ice weak to steel and rock or even fighting? I mean it's fine but what's the logic?
>>24795785
because they're all a lot harder than ice,
according to gamefreak pokemon ice is similar to a thin sheet of ice rather than a fucking iceberg
>>24795740
>GF wanted to make Ice a glass cannon type from the get-go.
wat
>>24795785
Because according to gamefreak the more solid and durable an object is the more vulnerable it is to beating on it with your bare hands
rock, steel and ice should resist fighting. I thought that was stupid since G1
>>24793914
Ice should resist grass.
>>24796020
Fighting types are different from normal types precisely because they're strong enough to break through rock, steel and ice with their bare hands/feet.
>>24796031
Fuck off. Grass already has enough issues as it is. I'm glad you don't work for Game Freak.
>>24795960
It's true, they just forgot the "cannon" part
Here's the biggest problem. Ice hits tons of relevant pokemon, including stuff like garchomp and gliscor, for super effective (usually 4x) damage. But it's resisted by water and steel, super relevant defensive types. Ironically this makes ice a much better type for coverage moves and not a great STAB type.
Just increase the distribution of Freeze Dry to Ice Types, give more pokemon Snow Warning, make Hail buff Ice types defensively or give them auto-heal like Leftovers, and give Ice resistances to Flying and Grass.
Bam, mono-ice is now a thing. Although you would still have the issue of a lot of ice mons simply sucking balls.
>>24797356
>flying and grass
Ground is infinitely more useful than grass as a resistance especially with flying and ice as well, and ground is infinitely more deserving of a nerf.
>weavile and mamoswine aren't good offensively
???
>>24795537
>>24795537
Electric has one weakness and 3 resists but no one ever wants to nerf it, why is this?
>>24795740
>choice band weavile
muh nigga nogga
>>24795473
Is that any worse than the people who want psychic to be strong/neutral on dark or steel, or fighting to lose to dark or steel?
>>24793762
>None of the pokemon are good offensively
But that's wrong you fucking faggot
>>24793762
To make water better.
>>24797961
good evidence to back up your claim 12 year old
>there only 3 good ice types pokemon in OU
>one of them is an uber reject
BRAVO GF
>>24798937
>3
mamoswine is UU now, its ok, its just not good enough for OU anymore.
2 ice types. One is an uber reject, the other is the only ice type with decent speed.
>>24798984
>not good for OU
he's anti meta as fuck.
>>24799014
Justify using it over weavile or kyu-b
>>24799023
STABQuake unlike KyuB, freeze dry for keking Rotom a little, stronger ice shard than Weavile, more bulky than Weavile, good abilities, can't get para from T-Wave
Don't get me wrong, Weavile IS a better choice about 70% of the times, Mamo is still a good pokemon. Still using it sometimes.
>>24799056
I thought we all agreed bulk was irrelevant, since besides electric immunity, it's basically shit typing
>>24797356
>GF does this, but it restores health at Poison Heal's rate
>Ice Body now doubles defensive stats in hail to compensate
>>24799105
>can go into some ice attacks because thick fat = ice res back
>can even survive some fire attacks
>stealth orcs are only 12% instead 25%
still more bulky m8, at least if you didn't kill there is a chance you will survive
>>24797410
Ground types are everywhere
>>24797410
>>24799234
Forgot that pretty much every electric type has no coverage except for HP Ice
The problem is that Ice has absolute garbage flavor in addition to awful resistances. Psychic is even worse on paper, but it redeemed by having cool moves and abilities and usable Pokemon.
>>24799162
fair enough
>>24799242
you'd think they learn some fire moves since electricity is energy that cam easily generate heat
>>24799347
>magenzone learning heat wave/ fire blast
that would be hype.
>>24793762
>None of the pokemon are good offensively.
>Uses a Based Mammoth as an example.
???
>>24799242
>Electric-types have no coverage moves.
What year is this, 2002?
>>24799347
>Electric types with fire moves
Anon, Manectric gets Flamethrower and Overheat.
>>24795693
perfect desu
>>24795740
It could really use another resistance though. Fags clamoring for four resistances may as well ask for every type of to have the same number of everything, giving them all no personality or flair. But really, a Flying type resist would be quite welcome and not all that silly (cold creatures resisting wind).
>>24800279
That's only one. You're saying other electric types can generate over 9 kilojiggawatts of power but not significantly raise temperature?
I'm gonna dig this up again
>>24800455
>Electvire gets Fire Punch and Flamethrower
>Eelektross get Flamethrower
>Zebstrika gets Overheat
Do you even play this game
>>24800506
>Bump
Zebstrika also gets Flame Charge
I feel like a couple of icemons would find a niche with technician ice shard.
>>24800506
Not really. It should be nigh standard the way ice type moves for waters are though.
>>24800506
There are also Water-types that can Flamethrower and Fire Blast.
Slowpoke and Remoraid family, plus Gyarados and Volcanion (though Volc's a Water/Fire so that's a given.)
