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Talk about the recently released Super Mystery Dungeon.
Cry like a bitch over the feels, rage at enemies who caused you to fail, ask for rescues.
Also regarding Super:
Please remember to PUT SPOILERS IN SPOILER TAGS! Not only are some people not as fast as you, but Eurobros don't get the game for a few more months.
Last thread: >>24695525 (You) (Cross-thread)
For anyone who's not playing SMD for whatever reason, here's some resources:
Blue, Sky, and an emulator: https://mega.co.nz/#!6E8xWSzB!2TQy6qzEfI3qPxL3a2JJ9l7Wn6KXwHKxKxepMs3RIck
/vp/'s Sky guides: http://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5u
your partner is the villain, you have to either kill him or nuke Johto
>Triangle Island
>"Oh these Unown should be easy"
>get two hit KOd
>shit
>burn through revive seeds
>get to Registeel
>Zap Cannon magically hits every mon on my team
>Finish off the seeds
>I forget to tell my Gallade to not use Close Combat outside of blitzing the Regis
>die on 10F
Make the pain stop.
>>24696909
>dat riolu and totadile
>bring 48 reviver seeds
>still can't beat mewtwo
jesus fucking christ
No spoilers for the game hereMy current dream is to have a Spinarak that wrecks face, or is at least really good. Be honest with me, is it possible?
>>24696949
yeah if you spend all your Gold Bars on stat boosts and then use them all on him
>>24696939
Dragonite
Terrakion
Jirachi
Dragon Rush, Sacred Sword, Psychic Alliance spam
ezpzuse truant wand on gigas, slow start doesn't affect stats
>Get totop of Revelation Mountain.
>Plot happens.
Holy shit. If I don't stop now I'll be playing all goddamn night. Need to save some of that for later.
>>24696960
That was my plan, good to see it's a good one. Thanks senpai
>>24696962
Well, I guess I better try to get Terrakion and Jirachi first.
>Fire Island Volcano to getEntei
>Suddenly Heatran
>proceed to petrify/truant and clear room
>piplup bubble beams once and heatran attempts to run to stairs immediately
>proceed to corner and absolutely obliterate him with no retaliation
Did the same happen for anyone else? I'm too used to boss encounters being a pain in the ass.
>>24696926
nuke kanto johto hoenn sinnoh uhh newyork and paris
>gentle slope cavern
>larvitar's sandstorm boosts the special defense of rock types so high that tackle does almost as much as water gun
What's the difference between Setting and Using emeras?
>>24697010
Setting it puts it in a loop
Using it consumes it for a dungeon-duration stat boost
>>24697017
Thanks.
Can we get some good art up in here?
Like this!
Submerged Cave, B9F
Pls help
>beat salamence after three revive seeds
that was horseshit
how the fuck were you supposed to beat him without a truant wand? I was like level 14.
>>24697042
I beat him by spamming slumber wands and continually alliance attacking him while he slept.
>>24697042
by getting gud like everyone else. You can't brute force this shit, Salamence is level 50, you're 14.
>>24697042
By thinking. Salamence was the games way of teaching you to be prepared for anything. Keep good items on you at all times.
>>24697051
I just got through that mission. I'm still confused as to why they would have him join you afterward. Doesn't that just eliminate any challenge the main game would possibly have?
How does mega evolution work in Super Mystery Dungeon?
>Conga line through Calm Craggy Area
kek
>>24697038
Did that Torchic lay an egg?
>>24697076
No, because if you use him while you're still at a much lower level than him he fucks off for quite a few missions before you can use him again.
I have turtwig/oshawott, is it any good? also im on ch.3 when can I recruit?
What's a good partner for froakie?
What did he mean by this?
>>24697079
RNG, Look for a Rainbow Emera called Awakening. Its a temporary emera that builds up a meter, or rather, has a timer on it that fills up, when it fills up, the emera breaks. You become immune to frontal attacks effectively, mega'd or not.
>>24697096
"I need to tell someone about ME!"
>fight againstGiratina
>use Petrify Orb so I can deal with the cronies first
>Boss snaps out of petrification
>shit
>my partner Piplup, Espurr, and Goomy attack it, while Deerling and I fight a mook
>they kill the boss before we're done fighting the single mook
>mfw
This isn't the first time my partner's gone ham on Bosses either, he almost single-handedly swept the Poliwraths after I hit two with a Truant Wand. Goddamn.
Just met my partner, what a spazz. Anyone else doing Turtwig with Mudkip as a partner. I was pretty happy that I got my favorites with the quiz.
>>24696909
Is there anywhere to grind in this game? Remember in the former games you could revist old dungeons, but I haven't found that option here yet. Only lv.12 and at Poliwrath Riv. Got to 5F before a Heliolisk razor winded me to death from the far corner of a room. So is there any way to visit former dungeons to grind or am I stuck having to grind here?
>Sawk Used Rock Smash
>Sawk Used Rock Smash
>Sawk Used Rock Smash
>Sawk Used Rock Smash
What the fuck is happening? All I'm doing is walking and this is happening
>>24697132
>fight against Salamence
>He one-shot everyone before I could use my blast seeds
>I was so fucking stunned by the bullshit stronk that I forgot to use orbs
>I didn't even bring any revive seeds with me
im glad hyper beam is actually decent in these games
>>24697146they are digging through the walls to get to you
>>24697146
I thought it might have been tunneling through walls, but I'm not sure. I got weirded out by that as well.
>>24697094
Chikorita
>>24697041
bumping this, need help here
>>24697151
That sounds like shit straight out of a horror movie
Anyone know if the exp training at pelliper island is nerfed?
Just trained an azurill and bayleaf to lvl 21
but the mc and partner are still 18
>>24697132
Does he even attack you since he's justSolosis?
He just kept using status moves for me.
>>24697160
yeah dude i love it
Sometimes when I use a move it tells me something about the connection orb, what does this mean?
>>24697168
hitting a pokemon that you have not seen before counts as discovering it
>>24697171
>Mawile
>found four (4) (FOUR) Attack Boost X's for her
>hitting for 170-200
jesus christ how horrifying.
Lead me to victory!
>>24697041
>>24697156
guessing nobody wants to bother, gonna just try going again soon I guess
>>24697177
Pretty much yeah. Attack Boost X, Type Bulldozer, Dizzying and Lullaby are just the best things to put on Looplets. Everything else, while nice, isn't that great.
>>24697189
I'd help you, but I've been locked into this series of dungeons by the story for a little while now, I keep dying
>>24697190
>not that one that gives you a critical hit every other move
>>24697189
I was busy getting hydro pumped by Starmies, will help you now
>>24697194
I thought that was only if it was super effective.
>>24697190
>barrage
>awakening
>distance dodge
>any of the paybacks
>clairvoyance
>big ears
Senpai...
>>24697201
No.
>>24697204
Fuck. I forgot about Barrage and the Paybacks.
Silly me, Barrage is near mandatory.
>>24697207
Then am I reading it wrong? or did I not find that yet, because I keep finding Super Critical which says its only for moves with Super Effectiveness.
Fuck man, did the translation team fuck up or are there more of these things!?
Shazbot, I need a full list of this.
Why is Wigglytuff a girl in this game?
>>24697209
There are a ton that are only in the postgame dungeons
one guarantees you a critical hit when your PP is even, and also makes you never miss
there's also the awakening enema
>Can only ever have 3 teammates per dungeon
>Story dungeon gives you giant teams
Stop taunting me
>>24697213
Well, I knew about the Awakening one, but shit's so rare as it is and lasts for maybe a floor or two, maybe three if your lucky. Sure, get it if you can.
How important is it to have a partner/starter that mega evolves?
>>24697225
Not very? Unless you like the typing better or want the boost in stats? Awakening on its own is really strong when you can prevent every move from the front. Doesn't last long though.
>>24697217
put 2 Wailords and a Steelix on your team, its basically like having 9 pokemon
>>24697210
Because the cameos are lazy as fuck
>>24697231
I don't think so m80
>A traveling Pokemon is on the floor!
Post yfw
>>24697189
Gotcha
>>24697251
thanks senpai
cute vs cool
can anyone confirm this means gender?
>tfw your partner steals your kills
>Even in that moment withEntei
>Dat Roar ruining our team position
I know I should be glad I got my just as powerful buddy with long range attacks...
But, I want some finishing blows myself.
Help me decide /pmdg/!
http://strawpoll.me/6079009
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>>24697267
C U C K E D
>>24697274
>no Fennekin
>not going Chespin and Fennekin steamroll team
anon pls
>>24697286
but i dont like Fennekin
Chespin is a qt pa2t though
>pick chikorita for my character
>starts with ancientpower
>tfw getting the stat boost proc twice in a row and becoming a god
Jesus, that bit where youhave to escape the voidlandshad me practically yelling at my screen. Who wastes time like that?
Should I /vp/? Rotom acted like an asshole but houndoom looks very friendly.
>>24697267
The same thing happened to me ;_:
It's just good my partner was a water type or we probably wouldn't even survive.
>>24697310
yeah dude
>>24697304
>Who wastes time like that?
kids
>"Meet up" withEnteiandManaphyManaphymost likely won't be a fight butEntei's message is literally just "GROOOOOOAR!"
>>24697310
Yeah he definitely won't fuck you over and throw you in a monster house like the last 3 guys.
>>24697304
Oh you mean when youliterally just sit there as the guys keep fucking coming and complain that there is so many?b-but it was their plan!
What should my team name be?
I'm a Rielu with a Fennekin partner.....I'm actually afraid of what the suggestions might be
>>24697328
"Furfags", what else
Yvetal fight seems impossible for me. Espurr always dies before even attacking because it never decides to attack while the BHM do. Petrifying, putting to sleep, confusing, surrounding... well they are all dead before the time I even get to Yvetal's space when I use a surround wand.
Level 30 Feraligart and level 27 Torterra. I have no things that you put the emeras into because I already used up all of them trying to fight him for the past 8 hours. Yes, I've been stuck trying to fight this one boss fight for that long. Ampharos "never" even gets to reach anything in time, same with Celebi.
Also the BHM keep using long range moves, Yvetal keeps using Oblivion Wing, not even using 2 team attack combinations of razor leaf + crunch + flash cannon can even kill a BHM or anything. Also just one attack of anything puts me below 50% health, so Torterra and I always get 2KO anyways.
Also I can't go back to the beginning of Road to Primeval Forest, so I can't even save the game. There is no point in being rescured or sending out SOS mail if I will just die to the boss, and pointless to go back to previous save; I would have lost 3 levels.
>>24697328
I went with Squad because I giggle when it tells me The Squad connected with (pokemon)
Keep in mind that whatever you decide on, it will be prefix'd with "the" before it
>>24697335
Would 'Hellhounds' cause Nintendo to drop the ban-hammer?
>>24697310
>houndoom
>tea
>>24697352
I don't think so. If it won't let you use it, then you just can't use it.
>>24697358By tea he means shoving 20 enemies into your lap
>>24697352
>drop the ban-hammer
>in a single player game
what. are they just going to brick your cart/download?
Since hellhounds is one word it might get past any language filter this game may or may not have.
Then again they have shitty as fuck filter rules.
>can't call my shiny Dusclops in X Bloody Mary
>>24696962
>even needing to hit post-game
Bisharp, Salamance, and Rhyperior were enough for me. I don't think I even used any Reviver seeds.
http://imgur.com/CaZVBqy
help, /vp/ ;~;
>>24697371
i probably should have attached the image, huh?
>>24697310
No, I think you should go meet vanillite instead.
Certainly no trap there.
>>24697366
Wasn't sure if there was any sort of multiplayer element to it.
Help a retard out?
>>24697391
Should add, it's on the second floor of the Submerged Cave
>>24697328
Going for the same team, most probably calling it The K9
>>24696909
Anyone else just experienced that plot twist in chapter16at the spring? I'm feeling a mixture of sadness and anger.
>He isn't called the Big Boss of the northern seas for nothing!
why is Big Boss capitalized?
also captcha pls
>have to visit each continent for pokemon after every mission
>haven't even gotten Victini, one of the mons in Serene Village
this is agony
>>24697411
I got Victini very early at around chapter 5-7. I just went to the cafe in serene village everyday.
>>24697400
It's a great plot twist, but the story's rushing itself so much by that point that the impact's kind of ruined a little. The game wasted too much time in Serene Village (half the game, to be precise), and by the time you reach Lively Town and actually get involved with the real story, it has to rush itself in order to be all wrapped up by the end.
It's like if you took the first third of Explorers, from the start of the game to the end of the expedition, and then you took the rest of the story and tried to do it all in half the time. The story's still okay, but it's hard to really give a shit about the characters because of the weird speed. I stopped caring about Serene Village by the time I left because I was stuck there for so long, and I've spent so little time in Lively Town that I barely feel like I've connected with the other guildmates.
I mean, the plot twists are still pulled off really fucking well, that's something I will defend to the death, but the way the start dragged on and the way the story's rushing now just makes it feel off. The story had so much potential to be more. It could have been better than Explorers, but instead it just feels on par with Rescue Team, maybe a little better.
A few questions before I pick it up:
>Will mega evolutions only be limited to gen 1 and 3 starters?
>Do Pokemon have ALL their abilities or just 1? If so, can you get alternate or hidden abilities?
>How's the post-game look? Is it as expansive as Sky?
>>24697401
That's his nickname, what they refer to him as. Just like if you call your father "Dad" it is wrote as Dad and not dad
>>24697415
Going there everyday, I'm 27hrs in and I have 284 species.
>>24697418
>megas
Everyone can use the ability if they find the enema, only mons that can mega can use it to be mega, non mega mons become "Awakened" and it's basically the same.
And yes mons besides gen1+3 can become mega, you can be mega Glalie, Gardevoir, whatever.
>abilities
no HA, different abilities are available but you need a Lucha Token to change it.
>post game
It's okay, Epilogue is really short but getting all the mons will take a VERY long time.
>>24697418
>the other starters can mega evolve too, they get a flashy aura around them instead and gain the same stat boosts
>can get alternate but not hidden
>i beat the game with only 150 pokemon collected. there are 720 total
>>24697423
> VERY long time.
if you recruit a pokemon every 6 minutes it would take you 72 hours to recruit them all.
not counting duplicates like the rotom forms and the unowns.
>>24697423
Alright, thanks for the info.
>>24697426
>but not hidden
FUCK.
BTW, don't eat a sitrus berry when you warp digivolved during the story, and you get that extra boost. It won't have any effect
>>24697400
I just groaned when muwahahahahah happened.
Overall I kinda agree with >>24697416's comment that the story wastes too much time meandering about and the end feels too rushed, they hint damn near nothing about the main story prior to Chapter 10.
Post your save data! If you're at the epilogue or close to it, take a minute to cover the boss boxes.your name too if you're scared someone will dox you with just your first name
>>24697430
Yep no problem.
>>24697429
Still a long time since the main story is about 20 hours long.
>>24697446
>didn't attach the file
Cyndakill me
>>24697416
>>24697445
establishing the world and giving characters depth is not a waste of time
that was explorers biggest problem, all of the characters besides dusknoir sucked massive dick
>>24697446
yeah, I was explaining how long it takes
>>24697453
I agree about Explorers, but too bad for Super nearly no one focused on in the first half remains relevant, at least unless they suddenly do in the eleventh hour.
>>24697136
As far as I can tell there is no true grinding until post story. When completing missions/connections you can opt to stay in the dungeon however, and finish the rest of the floors instead of escaping early.
>>24697453
Establishing the world and giving characters depth is exactly what Explorers did. That was the whole point of the first third of the game - the start of the game to the expedition was all about easing you into the world, making you care about its inhabitants and helping you get to know your guildmates. That's why the later parts of the game were so potent.
It's also what Super did, at least for the first six chapters or so. That's when the game should have decided "hey, maybe we should actually get going with this plot, huh?" rather than keeping you stuck in Tutorial Hell. There's nothing like the Dimensional Scream or such to add some relevant foreshadowing to the story, nor are there explanations of things like the Time Gears to provide some solid, important information.
Like, Explorers' first part lasted from Chapter 1 to Chapter 9, but it all tied into the later parts, in little and big ways. You learn about the Dimensional Scream, you learn about Time Gears, and it turns out that Fogbound Lake has a Time Gear in it. This all becomes relevant later in the game. Super's first eleven chapters have next to no hints about the overall plot, like >>24697445 said.
>>24697470
Not true. deposit all your items, go into a story dungeon, get to the second to last floor, die, rinse and repeat
For some reason, I'm easily impressed by this. Holy hell, I never expected this.
>>24697499
It's things like that that keep making me wonder why they reduced the teamsize from four to three. The game can clearly handle groups of four, so...
>>24697416
You're right! They spent too much time in the game in that village. They should of found a way to wrap up that part of the story in like five chapters instead of spendingTHIRTEENchapters just doing tutorial missions and dicking around.
I'm not sure what's going on with 3ds pokemon games lately. Maybe gamefreak and chunsoft was spending so much time creating new assets that they had no time to spend on proper storytelling/post games. I think for D/L/S chunsoft was able to reuse a lot of assets from rescue team so they was able to spend a longer time with the story.
I was so excited for this game because I heard it was better than sky but it turned out to be the opposite. I hate the new exp system and how reliant on RNG it is now. Accuracy is terrible now because of the speed stat.
Squirtle is so bad in this game now. My eternal partner ;_;
>>24697423
I thought the reason the main campaign was so short was because the post game would be kind of long to make up for the kissing content. That's a shame.
>>24697400
Yeah.
Fuck, man. That almost crushed me.
This motherfucker, I was expecting a fight.
very minor post-story spoilers in pic
>>24697531
No fuck, it DID kinda crush me.
>>24697499
I was just thinking "man it's such a pain to manage this many people".
>>24697508
>framerate chugging to a crawl duringthe Mega voids fight with the sandstorm and shit
>>24697524
There's nothing wrong with the EXP system. The only real issue is it's a bit too sparse earlier on.
Im starting to do expeditions on my own and summer vacation happens but I feel Im so underleveled. This is the first mystery dungeon where Im afraid of mobs just one shotting me
>>24697524
I dunno, I don't think it's a matter of mixed priorities or anything like that. It may simply be that the scenario writers aren't actually all that great. Like, Gates' story was good, but it didn't have the same nuances that Explorers had, and it lacked a hell of a lot of subtlety. Rescue Team was fine, but also really basic. Explorers is the only one that truly gets outright praised for its story, and it's entirely justified.
I mean, there's precedent for this in the main series, too. People laud BW1 for managing to have a bit more emphasis on its story and characters without making either game or plot drag on or be annoying, but then BW2 manages to be okay but not quite as good, and then XY's story is absolute trash yet it still forces you to watch all the cutscenes and tries to get you to care about the characters.
It really seems like the two Pokemon games that get so much story praise (BW1 and Explorers) were like lightning in a bottle, and who knows if we'll ever get another bolt from the blue, if you will. Maybe part of the blame can be placed on the scenario writers, or maybe some of the blame could be pinned on localization, but who knows?
is a joy looplet worth buying or should I just save my money?
>>24697524
Accuracy is bad because of speed? what?
>>24697478
>Establishing the world and giving characters depth is exactly what Explorers did
no, it didnt. it forced you with a bunch of half assed characters that the game introduces for 3 seconds before making them irrelevant. none of them ever do anything. you never fight along side them, they never say or do anything interesting, they are just a little entourage that follows you around outside of dungeons and occasionally comment on plot related happenings in smd you may move on but you still learn alot about them and actually interact with them for an ample amount of time before.
tell me dude, who the fuck in the guild did you even enjoy or remember? loudred?
>There's nothing like the Dimensional Scream or such to add some relevant foreshadowing
so you aint played the game, huh? theres literal cutscenes (dimensional scream) sprinkling and building up to whats happening in the world, theres even clues about the villains plans and shit that happen such asnuzleaf constantly leaving and checking up on you. you also seem to forget thatnuzleaf is playing you for a fool
>the start of the game to the expedition was all about easing you into the world, making you care about its inhabitants and helping you get to know your guildmates. That's why the later parts of the game were so potent.
literally the same thing happens in SMD but the writing isnt complete garbage and the characters are actually characters. are you telling me that you didnt feel sad whenespurr first said she turned sides?
>It's also what Super did, at least for the first six chapters or so.
>Like, Explorers' first part lasted from Chapter 1 to Chapter 9
you dont make no sense dude
i dont understand your obsession with the time gears either. they are literally just a plot device, the same as pokemon being turned to stone, and eventuallylegendariesbeing targeted
>>24697524
im really tired of hearing you bitch about this every fucking thread.
>>24697541
I liked the story in Gates a lot, but I can agree with the idea that it told a lot more than showed. But I felt it made up for it with stronger characterization than the main story in Explorers.
However Super doesn't really feel like it succeeds at either. I need to finish the last few chapters though.
>>24697550
There is a regular Speed stat now. Your accuracy is tied to it. If your speed is lower than the enemies, expect moves to miss a lot.
I'm only at the dungeon where you have to rescue Budew and I can't make it further than four or five floors. Almost all enemy attacks do more than mine. Are you expected to go back and grind regularly?
>>24697556
That's actually kinda cool
>>24697561
It's more of an annoyance than anything.
>>24697555
Actually, I'm the anon that was complaining about the gameplay the last couple threads. Right now I've calmed down and I'm debating the stories instead.
>>24697556
I dunno, for me the early parts of the demo fell flat enough that I couldn't get invested. Combined with how badly the gameplay had been butchered, I never even bought a full copy of the game, and I ended up watching a playthrough instead. I think it did well, but the characterization didn't really make up for the telling-not-showing for me. That might be because I wasn't the one playing, though - if I had been the one in charge, maybe I'd have been connecting with them a little better.
>>24697559
No, you just literally have to git gud and stop playing it like Explorers and use some damn items.
>>24697570
Like, Tangela is able to 2HKO either me or my partner. I'd have to whack every single enemy with a wand. Bringing many items feels like a waste because I'm going to lose them all anyway.
so is there stuff hidden in walls?
>>24697551
I enjoyed Loudred, but I also really like Sunflora, Diglet and Dugtrio, as well as Bidoof, and Croagunk's dry snark. Not to mention Wigglytuff and Chatot themselves, who are really fun and memorable characters. The flattest members are Chimecho and Corphish, and yet I still remember them since they stand out from the rest of the goofy squad.
Nuzleaf's constant coming-and-going is a nice touch, but that's seriously all there is. The chat about Revelation Mountain is nice, but frankly it should have come much earlier. Climbing it after Chapter 8 or whatever is fine, but they should have introduced it way earlier.
As forEspurr, you know what I felt? Apathetic. The issue with the beginning half of the game is both story-related and game-related - I was sick and tired of staying in Serene Village by Chapter 6, and the fact that I was still there in Chapter 11, combined with the restrictions still placed on the gameplay (haven't joined the society, no rank points, no continents, etc), I wasn't invested any more. I got invested at the start of the game, and I really enjoyed the characters! But then they overstayed their welcome. I got tired of being stuck in Tutorial Hell. I got bored. I got uninvested in the characters, and the rest of the game being rushed means I'm not very invested in the Expedition Society either. I like these characters, but I don't care about them. I did care about some of them, but the game lost me later on down the line.
If anything, it serves as a good warning for me to make sure not to pace my own stories (stories, not fanfics) this way.
>>24697577
And just for reference, when I say "overstayed their welcome", what I mean is that I knew these characters weren't going to be sticking around, because I knew that sooner or later, the partner and I were going to join the Expedition Society and the guild members would be the ones I'd truly get invested in. Except I turned out to be wrong, because the game wasted excess time in the Village (making me stop caring about it) and then it hadn't spent enough time in Lively Town before having the big plot twists.
Since they were always seemingly going to do this whole two-towns deal, with you starting in Serene Village and then going on to Lively Town, they should have made the jump much earlier. As it stands, one set of characters I don't care much about anymore, and the other set of characters I haven't had enough time to care about yet.
Was anyone else expecting Ampharos tomega evolve during a fight and be the introduction to the mechanic?
Frankly I'm annoyed he wasn't
Do you always lose all your items when you die?
>>24697426
>no hidden
No iron fist ledian for me then
Holy fuck thelegendary dog trioare fucking assholes, man.
>come on in, I promise this isn't a monster house!
>it's a monster house
fuck you two,golduck
>>24697573
It turns out you can actually rescue yourself on Pelliper Island, who would have thought? That way, you can have that level 50 Salamence from the Axew mission rescue you... just good luck beating Salamence, hope you stocked up on tiny reviver seeds and blast seeds.
>recruitEntei
>You can now go to the Isle of Light!
>can't find it anywhere
what the fuck, where is it, give meRaikoudamnit.
>>24697611
don't do what I did, finish the game and then comment on all the assholes
Probably going to pick this up in a few days. Thinking of going as my nigga Bulbasaur, trying to decide between Mudkip or Froakie as a partner, maybe something else.
Are there any specific starters that are bad or good?
>>24697586
It would of been really fun if the main plot of the game involved going to multiple continents.
I hate how expensive the lapras tickets are when this game barely gives you any poke to collect. I'm atvoidlandsand I barely have over 2000 poke in the bank.
Now that I think about it a feature they should of had in this game was gummis/iq points. It would of made the difficulty of the game seem less bad.
>>24697633
most starters are passable, just don't pick Chikorita
Chespin and Tepig are especially good
What moveset is everyone using for Chespin?
>perish song
jesus christ
>>24697657
explain, anon
>>24697670
use have to use a heal seed in 3 turns or you'll faint
it's a room hit move.
shit accuracy, but still.
>>24697670
it kills your entire team in 3 turns, if you dont have a heal seed you can't stop it
>>24697641
Because I'm an overthinking chucklefuck who likes writing as a hobby, I've honestly been mulling over what the game could have done had it been paced better. The Serene Village segment could have ended earlier and you could have gotten to Lively Town sooner... you could have started to investigate the incidents of legendaries turning to stone across the entire world rather than just one continent, and then it could turn into a desperate race to try and save even a few of the legendaries from getting petrified. Then Entei could get stoned at Showdown Mountain, and the rest of the game could play out the way it is already.
Heck, it could have even been like
>Serene Village, Pancham and Shelmet are still assholes when you leave
>Lively Town, do expedition work for a while
>Serene Village, haunted school, make amends with Pancham and Shelmet
>Lively Town, stoning starts happening
>Investigate a dungeon on the first continent
>Investigate some dungeons on the second continent
>Third, fourth, etc etc
>Each time you fail to save the legendary, but you do get a little more and more sightings or info about what might be going on
And then, like I said, Entei gets the warning, he gets stoned,Krookodile gets suspicious and you head up to Revelation Mountain, and the SHOCKING TWEEST with Nuzleaf and Yveltal happens. I just don't get why they left so much of the content, with all the continents and everything, so underused in regards to the storyline.
>>24697642
What makes Chikorita bad? Aside from the fact that I'm pretty sure it's never been good in any game anyways.
Kind of a shame, I like the cute design.
>Igglybuff... that name reminds me of my junior. He's a fine guildmaster now
neat
>level 50 salamence
am I being rused
How do you make multi-hit moves not be a guaranteed one-hit KO against you?
>>24697697
Chikorita has an okay starting moveset, even if Ancient Power is one of the worst egg moves. But it learns literally nothing useful when leveling up outside of reflect/light screen
no reason to ever pick a pokemon with such a garbage moveset when other grass starters like chespin start with pin missile/rollout or treecko which starts with dragon breath
Should I?
>suddenly cofagrigus sells looplets
>excavation looplet
>the holder can see the light of buried items in the ground
>10 gold
wait what what
>>24697723
You see the cursor's default selection.
>>24697708
Aside from Barrage Guard emera, all you can do is pick a god and pray.
>>24697723
SIGHAlso r8 my team, I picked Riolu for type coverage but he ended up fitting the role of irritating hyperactive "friend" well
>>24697721
It's also worth pointing out that it doesn't get any decent TM's either, so the Cofagrigus shop is no help.
>Teddiursra doesn't want to evolve
>tempted to force him to evolve just to see if his dialogue changes in Serene Village
>recruitMew
>saved it from death
>became best buds
>never wants to be in my party
fuck off I thought we were friends you little shit
>>24697738
7/10 if you'll eventually evolve into Greninja
4/10 if you won't
>>24697641
I was able to buy all the tickets the moment they were available to me, but I had to sell most of my items, and it wasn't really worth it in the end. I don't think that was much of a problem though, I still had all my gold bars, should it've been a problem.
Am I going to wear this scarf forever? It looks awful on my Pokemon.
I went with Chespin/Froakie. mind givin me a rating?
Does your partner's gender change their dialogue?
>>24697765
Good combo type-wise. If only Chespin didn't evolve into such an ugly turd.
Pikachu/Chespin for my team. Going to be using only rodent Pokémon or Pokémon that could pass as rodents, so Marill, Cyndaquil, Rattata, etc.
How fucked am I?
>>24697769
I love chesnaught how dare you
can lucha coins give you hidden abilities
>>24697780
No. No fun allowed and no making some pokemon good.
The Mega Donut, chocolate, and fourleaf cookie are shit. Just spend your gold bars on the specific stat item you want. Donut and such only raise the stat by 1 and it's only a chance to get another stat boost. Specific vitamins raise by 2 and are cheaper.
>thisYveltalfight
Jesus Christ wtf
>Find out about connection orb
>play for a second with it, friends with Sylveon and Vulpix
>go to café to receive my reward
>fucking Victini is chilling there like no one's business
>joins me for no reason
what the fuck
Is this normal?
Pertaining to >>24697820
What the fuck is this fight even.Every time I start half the team is wiped out when I take a single step, and so far the best I've done is take out Nuzleaf and one Bayheem before I get fucked. Any suggestions?
>>24697857
yes.
>>24697864orbs work in boss battles
>>24697869I had been using them. And wands. I managed to beat him because my partner managed to survive the 3rd attack or so, and my plan finally worked. That was ridiculously hard, but I wouldn't say impossible.
>>24697820
>>24697864
I've been waiting to hear people complain about this fight. This is the one point in the game when I was reminded I needed to GIT GUD. Really recommend using the wand that pulls you towards the enemy and warps your teammates around you, then spamming orbs and wands.
>Uropoor
>Younger brother updated 3ds
>Cannot get homebrew
I saw this game for £15 in a local game shop. ASIDE from the lack of content, is it actually bad? How does the story compare?
>>24697909
The small variety of pokemon is annoying but the story, characters, graphics and music are pretty amazing.
Also building your own paradise is one hell of an amazing feature. It has its shortcomings but its not as bad as people want it to see
>>24697943
I looked into a bit more. It seems that the new features that have been added might make the game less monotonous, which was the biggest problem the first 2 PMDs had.
I'll get it later today while I wait for SPMD to come out in Europa.
>>24697909
Not played Super yet but,I think Gates's story was quite a bit better than Explorers, minus Sky's episodes.
>>24697650
I'm using rollout/pin missile/vine whip/drain punch atm. Might switch pin missile for bulk up later on. Seed bomb doesn't seem worth it to me? Mainly because vine whip got that range on it
did anyone else notice hoopa right away with out even trying to look?
>>24697999
I did too. The horns, color, and the big ring kinda gave it away.
>>24697909
It has absolutely no back story at all, all gen 5 pokemon aren't even in the game, and the story sucked ass. Stay away from this game. Just wait for PSMD.
Playing these games is always such an emotional drain and makes me feel like shit for days afterwards, even after the story finishes up with a nice ending. Anyone else feel like this?
I just did what i think is left of the story after the credits, now i havea hugeass treasure hunt.Been up all night working at it, already got 35 hours in it.
>>24697787
Shit, that's it? Well thanks for the tip, now i can buff stats even better, can't wait to do pic related again
>yfw the events at the top of revelation mountain
Spinarak faggot here
I finally found the fucker. Just got done with the final boss and decided to look around on the other continents, found him on Mist. To get him I need to go through a fairy dungeon of all things. I've got two low level pokemon with poison type moves, how fucked am I?
>>24697446
How do i screencap in this? When i did pics for Sky, i had my 3ds, but i can't do that anymore.
>>24698175
How many pokemon you have recruited so far?
I'm at 33 hours and have recruited 282
>>24698192
that dungeon's actually pretty difficult.
go finish the epilogue first I'd suggest.
>>24698198
151, i could be faster, but i never did much fast in Sky
>>24697697
>it's never been good in any game anyways.
In sky it was the only partner that could get Nature Gifter. Granted you'd never get that before post postgame without grinding
>>24698202
How goes the treasure hunt, then?
I've only gotten two.
>finally got Wooper
It's time.
Oh this is just cruel and unusual punishment.My partner is Chikorita, and she's gone atm. I jumped into a dungeon and a Chikorita spawned with me. I got happy as fuck, until it told me it was a helper pokemon from who knows where.
;_;
>>24698216
Oh uh, I didn't start it yet. And I can't since it's 8am and i gotta sleep
>>24697146
Can anyone still explain this or is it actually tunnelling
>>24698229
yes, they're actually tunneling to get you.
>>24698218
>canget tutored earth power
I wasn't prepared for this.
>>24697999
I accidentally talked to him because of the group next to him
Heliolisk confirmed for worst looking portrait
>>24698268
Also, Sunkern's face here caught me off guard. Pretty funny the first time
>>24698229
Dude i akready told you last night, they are literally tunneling through the walls to try kill you
>>24698277
Actually you told me. This guy just didn't look for a reply
It's a rape cave, isn't it?
>>24698301
If Rotom is any indication, yes. You should go in expecting a monster house.
>>24698306
I'm sending in Team ACT just in case. We'll see who rapes who.
I picked Squirtle then Turtwig for my story characters, because I love turtles. Couldn't think of a good team name until now due to character limit on the name, until now. It all makes sense now.
Shells Bells
10/10
So who do you like more /vp/? the Wigglytuff guild or the Expedition Society?
>>24698301
>Finally get to his floor
>Alakazam teleports to his room
>Zoroark teleports me 3 steps away from the stairs
>Za Warudo the entire room with Petrify orb
>Stayaway Wand the one Ekans that sheds its status
>Escape
That was kind of disappointing
>>24698335
The guild had Loudred. Society all the way
>>24698335
Wigglytuff guild sucked ass
Anything is better than that shithole
>>24698335Paradise
>>24698364
>tfw can't judge you since I didn't finish GTI
Virizion was a hot piece of ass though
Trying to get toXaturight now
This dungeon is kicking my ass
The MC annoys me. His dialogue is so inconsistent. He always talks in parenthesis and you can't tell if he's thinking it or saying it. Sometimes people react directly to what he says and other times he's being silent.
I feel like in the older games there was an obvious distinction between his thoughts and his words
>>24698335
Expedition Society had your back the moment Ampharos stumbled into Serene Village and has remained brosFor now at Chapter 17.
Wigglytuff Guild was tricked by Team Skull the moment they stepped and and blamed you for everything wrong and wouldn't listen to a word you said until it was nearly too late.
Expedition Society all the way.Didn't play Gates, so Paradise might've been cool.
>>24698387
There definitely was in Rescue Team and Explorers, I want to say there was in Gates but I'm not certain.
Can you nickname recruited Pokemon?
>>24698534
Nope.
Should I train low level Pokemon and evolve them or just use their already high leveled recruited evolved forms?
Is there any difference once the low level catches up to the evolved high level?
>mfw this plays in cutscenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQNUP9cblc
The main theme for this game so is fucking good holy shit
Is Squirtle a bad pick? Does it really matter in the end?
Are there Tactics in this game? IQ? In the mine right now, just started.
>>24698594
You get tactics a little bit after your first real boss
No there's no IQ but there's a different more luck based system that has to do with collecting certain items to gain abilities or stat boosts for one dungeon
>>24698611
Ah, that's a relief. Thanks for being helpful! Happy exploring.
>>24698560
It captures the tone of the game perfectly. It gives a feel of "adventure from the eyes of a child".
>>24696909
Why is ralts so based?
>Heal pulse
>Grass/psychic/fairy type coverage
So what happened to the other player characters? They're mentioned a bit but never really talked about.
>>24698666
It's likely they're all you.Your partners are all out there somewhere, wondering where you went.
>>24696926
This sounds oddly familiar
HA
CALLED IT
>>24698683
Fuck man don't joke like that.
>barrage+lullaby
Important question to people in the post-game,do you keep your scarf after evolving?
>>24698567
One of the decent picks, actually.Takes a while for him to get out of learning status moves though.
Reminder to /pmdg/ to praise our lord bara turtle dad
>>24698787you don't get to keep it even if you dont
This game really is harder than Sky in the beginning or I'm a scrub. Poliwrath River keeps raping me.
>>24698808
That's normal; PSMD is pretty much the most challenging of all the Mystery Dungeon entries.
The most common and practical advice is literally git gud.
>>24698808
use your items. Also what's your team?
BAN HELIOLISK REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>24698807
I see, you conveniently lose it somehow
I CAN'T THINK OF A TEAM NAME
FUCK THIS
>>24698819
Yeah, when I get them. Reviver Seeds have been far and few between, maybe I should just go find some before doing this dungeon again.
>>24698820
Cyndaquil and Froakie.
>>24698836
What's your pokemen?
>>24698826
It's a plot element in the epilogue. Still bullshit, though.
>>24698836
COME UP WITH A BULLSHIT NAME AND CHANGE IT LATER SCRUB
W-what should I say?
>>24698851
>not letting your fire pig bff go out on late night adventures with you
You worthless plebeian
>>24698842
Mudkip andVulpix
>>24698848
I'm playingsky for the first timebecause I'm aeuropoor
Can you still change your name later?
>>24698851
Is it a girl?
>>24698864
I don't believe you can change your own name or your teammate's, but I know for sure you can change your team name by talking to Wigglytuff or Chatot later.
>You've had a great adventure today! You should rest before you play more.
I didn't get the plot twist at the ending, on the hill of the fuck-huge tree (it really fucked up the story for me), and I'd like to rewatch it. Is there any youtube vid (IN ENGLISH!) so I can rewatch it?
>>24698909
Alright, thanks senpai
>>24698929Partner is reincarnation of Mew, Dark Matter was really Partner's Shadow out of control because they screamed "YOU'RE NOT ME" last time they fought it, but because they accepted their Shadow this time instead of getting their Persona they fucking have to die because their Shadow is dead too
>>24698928
I've been taking this advice for the most part. Even if I'm just flipping back to ORAS, I like taking a leisurely pace through the storyline.
>>24698840
Aren't Tiny Reviver Seeds there for a thing?
They only restore HP, sure, but still.
Also now allies actually can heal you.
>>24698962
I'm surprised I'm not the only one who got major Persona 4 vibes out of that boss battle/ending.
>>24697310
Bring a Pure Seed m80
>5 revive seeds only cost 1 gold bar
What's your opinion about Vacuum-Cut and Wide Slash, are they useful? Do you use them?
>>24699032
what is this
>>24699036
Vacuum Cut falls off stupidly hard, but Wide Slash is p. good.
>>24699036you can't hide your bulbapedo from us
>>24698979
Yeah but I've barely found any of those. And I run out of PP every floor so I've run out of Elixers. This is so unforgiving. ;_;
>>24699052
Well, your poor soul.also my fucking face when I've learned that the WiiWare games have a Max Elixir... that works on ENTIRE team.
by the way of these, why not link these? [research intensifies]
>>24699064
I'm just gonna start over because I shouldn't be struggling this bad. Maybe Froakie and Cyndaquil don't work well together or something.
Am I the only one who thinks the story was pretty gud up until the end, where the ending plot twist just fucks up absolutely everything? I felt like the boss battle was underwhelming, and the ending by the tree was just the nail in the coffin. I did my best to cry, but I just couldn't.
Man, why does this game feel so unsatisfying to play a lot of the time.
Like, I'm having fun, but it's also a big pain to play, and I love the shit out of roguelikes in general. Half my games folder is filled with the stuff and I've even dipped my feet into the oldest of old ones just because I enjoy seeing how far I can get before I get my ass kicked, and I find all of it fun, but this... Super just doesn't feel very fun. Am I going insane? It isn't just me, is it? I'm not even bitching about the stuff that other people are, like the Looplets or the Connection Orb and stuff, it's not that I dislike it. It's just that even though I don't dislike it, it still doesn't feel fun.
>>24699079
I'm doing Piplup/Chikorita, you have no right to complain.
>>24698981
The bosses of Gates and SMD have major SMT vibes imo
>>24699088
Because the balance is kind of fucked. It feels like you either breeze through everything or struggle with the simplest things and more than past games you feel at the whim of the RNG.
>>24699089
Godspeed anon. Tell me how far you get.
>SAWK USED ROCK SMASH
>SAWK USED ROCK SMASH
>SAWK USED ROCK SMASH
>SAWK USED ROCK SMASH
>SAWK USED ROCK SMASH
>SAWK USED ROCK SMASH
>>24699082
I thought it was just okay for the most part, but you're right in that the ending plot twists really cause the whole thing to go off the rails.
I know I'm not the only one who feels like things likeDark Matterdon't belong in a Pokemon game, and the explanation of howMew and the human fought with Dark Matter in the past, only for the human to be sent forward and for Mew to reincarnate as the partnerjust feel like a tired sort of retread of Explorers. It's actually pretty disappointing.
Like, the plot twists they had at Revelation Mountain (which I don't consider a spoiler to say because REVELATION Mountain? Really?) were really good, even though I thought the rest of the story was just okay. But then the last plot twist fucks it all up and kind of ruins the rest of it. That's sort of how I feel about the story as a whole, some poor decisions about how to have it happen ruin the rest of the story in the end. It's okay, but not awesome like the other games.
Post game question hereI just found Mew but all I really want is to get my partner back ASAP. Is it way far into the epilogue? I can't keep cheesing these hard dungeons forever. It's no fun without them ;_;
>>24699113
nah only a bit longer anon
>>24699109
its so funny once you find them
>>24699099
Yeah, that actually sums up my thoughts pretty well. I'm having a hard time figuring out how to put how I feel because my mind is still kind of working on it, but you saying that actually helps, hah.
It's funny, I was grumpy and kind of irritated with that one guy from before who kept talking about how the game wasn't good and how it was way more about the roguelike parts compared to the other games, but now that I'm thinking about it, the anon may well have been right.
>>24699110
>the plot twists they had at Revelation Mountain were really good
Agreed, took me a whole lot of time to believe it, even though the characters already accepted it ages ago.
And I've just realized how badly a bad ending can ruin a whole story. I've seen bad starts, or some shitty chapters halfway, but never have I seen an ending fuck up this badly, and take the rest of the story down with it.
>>24699109
Heh, and then suddenly you find a 3-wide corridor, you didn't know even existed, because you're used to corridors just being 1 on the map.
>>24699088
The games not a rehash of sky which was a rehash of rescue team
You dont like that
>>24699099
The high RNG makes it feel more luck based than it should be. Maybe if your attacks were more accurate but the enemies had a bit more health to compensate, it'd at least feel fairer or more consistent.
>>24699109
WELCOME TO HELL.this is why natural Rock Smash is a bad idea.
Can someone save my ass please? Nuzleaf used up all my tiny reviver seeds.
>>24699110
Not him, one "twist" I felt weird with wasEspurr's "betrayal"
>go out of their way to make the Beheeyem seem as suspicious as possible
>oh but Espurr thinks it's totally okay to trust them
>show the player after the MC and partner leaves Espurr reporting to Nuzleaf
>then you reach the bottom of the ruins
>Espurr "reveals" they were a mole
>mere moments later "lol jk I was a double agent"
>only real twist was the super suspicious Beheeyem WASN'T tricking you
It just felt like, what was the point of it? Get a rise out of the player? It just felt really odd to me.
>>24699137
what the fuck.
>>24699110Dark Matter is an outside-context villain.I suppose they aren't masters at that.
>>24699131
For me the issue is that the game started too slow (restricting you so much gameplay-wise in Serene Village for half the game got me frustrated and made me stop caring about the story, which wasn't a good thing, obviously), and then the rest of the game was rushed in order to wrap the plot up in what little time it had left. The plot twists were still really fucking awesome, but then the last plot twist and the backstory and explanation for the villain completely mangled the endgame.
It's a damn shame, because I think that the game's story very well could have beat Explorers' if it wasn't so whack. And I love Explorers, but the idea of a story that could surpass it is exciting, so it's really disappointing that Super failed to pull it off.
>talk to victini and pidgeotto adding them to my pokemon facebook
>Go fight salamence not knowing it was a stupid fight, load game
>They're no longer there
>>24699110
About what doesn't belong,Dark Matter just felt like a weak retread of the Bittercold to me. Bittercold at least felt like some sort of force of nature, and had a bit more thought behind its design, Dark Matter is like they went the most generic path they could for the same utmost basic premise, then turned up the edge and over-the-topness. I preferred Munna's death cult to Nuzleaf's band of literally mind controlled 'mons, too.
At least the fight was a tiny bit better.
>>24699156
I didn't mind the start so much, because it seemed to start to get really good after a while. But then the ending...
I can't help but shake the feeling that the japanese version might have wrapped it up better.
>>24699146
On it, can't wait to see your reaction when you get to the top.
>Bulbasaur starter
>get toFire Island
>Blast seeds don't work onMagmortar
Shit fuck, I guess this gives me more room for reviver seeds then?
>>24699185
Thanks a lot man. Oh boy, now I can't wait to see what happens when I get to the top.
post best MC
>>24699149
Maybe it was supposed to be a darkest hour deal? Like, "oh no,even sweet little Espurr has betrayed us, we're completely alone and we can't rely on anyone anymore!". Except the darkest hour was more like a darkest couple minutes or so.
>>24699151It's not just outside-context, it's out-of-place. I have the same issue with the Bittercold: it's a generic "gerrrr I'm evil incarnate" villain with a backstory that does nothing to really justify its existence. Both its visual design and its presence in the story are completely unfitting for a Pokemon game, where the "monsters" should always be other Pokemon in my opinion. Yveltal would have made a better and more fitting final boss, especially considering the whole Tree of Life deal.
>Low on HP, don't want to use an oran berry because of how quickly you recover HP when walking around
>Put my teammate with full HP between me and the enemy
>Enemy uses a move
>Low HP-mon takes the hit for full HP teammate!
>Low HP-mon fainted!
How do I turn this cover shit off? It keeps happening and it's getting really annoying.
>>24699189
Hehe m8, Magmortar isnt that tough compared to whats coming up.
>>24698966
How far are you and what's your playtime? I'm on chapter 9 with 35:25:52
>TfwI haven't made it to lively town, or started getting exploration points after 35 hours playtime
>>24697554
This is amazing
more please.
>>24699210
Chespin and Oshawott duo master race.
>>24699247
you're lucky I just got back from work
>>24699233
Just finished the game, 25h.
>>24699146
>>24699185
>>24699198
Here you go.
tfw everyone hates the ending and game play
tfw I seriously enjoyed it
rip my taste I guess
>>24699249
This nigga gets it, they were perfect
>>24699257
Thank you so much.
>>24699258
both are fine desu
>>24699258
>everyone
Nah, just some of us. It's fine to like things, anon.
>>24699257
>>24699261
How do I send thank-you mail anyway? I already left the island, is it too late?
>>24699255
I think I'm going to get a Chespin plush like how I bought an Axew after I picked him for my character in Gates.
Hell, I already have a Chesnaught
>>24699233
33 hours, beat the game and am playing epilogue
>>24699233
Jesus, you're not even halfway through the game and you're already at 35 hours? I like to take my time in PMD too, but damn, you're on another level entirely.
I'm at about 25 hours or so, and I'm on Chapter 17.
>tfw no cinccino gf
>>24699233
21 hours
chapter 21
>>24699233
chapter 9, 9 hours
>>24699275
Hit send mail at the left pelliper.
>>24699210
What sucks is that Chespin always looks really cool in illustrations and fanart but looks like garbage in game.
Also Chespin's evolutions are horribly designed holy shit.
>>24699370
PMD Rampardos is the reason why it's in my top ten Pokemon. Anyone who loves a Cinccino has to be an alright guy.
>>24699407
this 100%
fanart looks cool. I hate chespin otherwise.
i went with froakie and fennekin. sort of regret fennekin.
>>24699396
Thank you.
>>24699257
I don't really have much, but I hope this is a good enough gift for you.
>>24699407
Still looks cute ingame IMO, Quilladin looks pretty goofy honestly but I think Chesnaught is redeemable, though his color palette could've been better.
I liked the little guy since I saw him and it only hit me recently that I have an odd fondness for little armored mammals which I am currently unable to trace further back than Sandshrew back in gen 1. Also,my Chespin in X was shiny - no resets
>>24699416
Fennekin fits the partner's hyperactive personality best imo.
Fennekin also proves very helpful by being able to snipe enemies from a few tiles away while I bash the up close with close range attacks and items.
>>24699450
what's your partner combo?
>>24699229
>Finally get passed them
>Suddenly,Enteias expected
>Pretty much every attack is missing him
>And then MC and partner evolve
And Mawile showing up after that? Fuck me that's satisfying.
Ending spoilers:I wonder if the protagonist knew they wouldn't be able to return to their own world before he and Mew set their plan into action?Also,If they were going to need him back in the future, why send him back to the human world in the meantime instead of having Mew send both of their spirits into the future to be reincarnated?
>>24699472
Mudkip/Fennekin
>>24699547Dude has a life in his world, too, anon.
Well I might not have cried at the ending like I expected but I sure as fuck didwhenever you finally get your partner back. Holy fuck just nothing was fun or had a point without them
>>24699437
Luckily you can keep Chespin in its starter form without too many consequences in super.
>>24699615
He's gonna be weaker tho
just beat the game
Best fucking PMD story yet. They've outdone themselves. Now for some post game schenanigans.
>>24699672
Evolution doesn't really impact stats this time.
>>24699681
Oh i didn't know. You'd give up on being a fighting type though.
>>24699562
That doesn't really justify much to me, though. Different anon here, just to be fair to the other guy, but let me put it this way:if you fought in a war with Dark Matter, then had to get sent home, wouldn't you just be worried sick until you got sent back?
I mean, I know Mew was the one who gave us amnesia, but that was from the start of the game, not from the backstory. Did he also remove our memories when he sent us back so we wouldn't worry? Why would that even be an issue? It seems like the world's are mostly separate, so time-traveling to the future wouldn't mean you'd "lose" any of the life you had in the human world. It's never implied that when you spend a day in the Pokemon world, a day passes in the human world as well.
I wish they would just stop with the Pokemon world/human world disconnect, because there's too many issues that it always brings up. The Explorers human seemed to be living in the bad future, so for them, this sort of thing was never an issue.
>>24699615
Yeah, I have been. I might evolve my Squirtle partner but I'm keeping myself Chespin.
>>24699689
Not a huge deal considering drain punch already hits pretty hard and I plan to boost it at some point
>>24699715Well, for all the MC knows at the time, jeez, job done. At least I assume, they weren't very clear on it.
>>24699715
I don't mind the human/pokemon world disconnect since it allows for a more fanciful world and furthermore, Chunsoft can do what they want with the games and not have to care about the plots in the main games and vice verca
>>24699681
seriously? why?
>>24699258
I don't get why everyone thinks Explorers is a 10/10 flawless masterpiece. Maybe it's just nostalgia.
>>24699761
Because most people want to use the cuter forms but feel pressured into evolving for the better stats
>Feraligatr is favorite final form starter
>standing pose looks like garbage
>running pose is 10/10 looks like he's chasing prey
what do? Currently I'm Croconaw with a Bayleef partner, Bayleef IS evolving to Meganium the second she hits 32.
>>24699761
not him but it's probably so you can stay in your starter form without regret that you'd be stronger fully evolved.or because you absorbed the Harmony Scarves, fuck if I know.
>>24699765
The story and gameplay in Super is much better. I'd even say Gate's story's better than Explorers. Explorers didn't really have good characters aside from Sky's episodes.
>>24699765
Explorers is 8/10, RT and Super are 7/10, Gates is 6/10
>>24699767
>>24699781
that's pretty lame to be honest
Can you take your scarf off it looks like shit on torchic
>>24699796
In the postgame, yeah.
Anyone wanna tell how i take screencaps on this? I dont have a phone i can use for this stuff
>>24699036
Wide slash is a pretty great tm
>>24699761
Evolution never impacted stats much to begin with. At least in sky, it gave a measly +5 to your stats
Anyone else experienced big framrate drops in the "clam craggy area" dungeon in chapter 18? It must be because of all the pokemon walking with me at the same time.
>>24699808
Hit the home button, Miiverse, select the screen you want to cap and then hit save to screenshot album. Log on to Miiverse on computer and grab it from the album
>>24699823
And that's how i'm supposed to post these QR codes i see around? What do they do?
>>24699835
If you die it's the much easier way to get rescued, we can scan those via Pelliper island instead of inputting your 30+ code. Then they rescue you and they give you a QR code back.
>>24699845
Beats taking a pic, taking the sd card out, and putting it up
>>24699732
But that's really my point: there weren't clear on something that probably should have been explained, or at the very least, explained better. Then again, the whole reveal ofDM and all the gobbldygook about Mew and the human, the stuff going on in the past, and etc etcare really, really lame. It kind of ruins things.
>>24699741
I think I worded myself wrong, so let me clarify: I think keeping the human world and Pokemon world separate is a good thing. But the only one to ever actually do that was Explorers, since the human didn't come from the human world. If they did, then they would have been sent back at the end of the game, they wouldn't have been erased from time.
Pulling a human-turned-Pokemon protagonist from a vague "human world" raises all sorts of issues, and these same issues keep popping up in Rescue, Gates and now Super. Did they have a life back home? Since they're in the Pokemon world now, are they missing their life there, or does time work differently? If they spend a whole year in Pokemon land, does a year pass in the human world, or what? Why did they agree to be sent there in the first place?
The reason I mentioned Explorers is because that's the only game where the "human world" is never ever mentioned. The human in Explorers was always from the bad future timeline, even after they got turned into a Pokemon, so they were a part of the Pokemon world. You never ask "isn't anyone missing them back in humanland" because humanland is never relevant.
Also I'll shut up and stop rambling now because I'm probably beating a deader horse.
How do I talk to my partners in dungeon? Not that it does much, but most times they pose and other times they say something?
>>24699865
Gates actually tackles it well with the ending and epilogue.The MC goes back home at the end and the partner wants to see them again, but actually considers the idea that they still have friends and family in their world they'd want to see too. So they try to go against the laws of the universe and basically get the MC a free travel pass so they can go back and forth as they please to see their friends on both sides.
Really, that's one of my favorite parts about Gates. Your partner in it really seems to care for you and thinks about what you want.
>>24699865
It annoyed the shit out of me in Rescue Team where 'you' chose to stay in the pokemon world in spite of possibly having people back home. The whole amnesia thing didn't even affect the story at all in any way as far as I know.
>>24699881
Gates's epilogue was short but sweet. It firmly cemented the Gates partner as being my favourite.
>>24697611
They ARE assholes. I just got to *that* point of the story where they all show their true personality. I wish Entei could of stayed a stone.
>>24699881
Yeah, to be fair, Gates does address one of the big concerns, but to me Gates' issue was more that the postgame just wasn't long enough.
Like, imagine this: the partner wants the player back, but they don't know how. They spend a lot of time doing normal missions, while also doing research into finding out about the human world and how the whole deal works. Sometimes you'll have a postplot-important dungeon that you'll go to, and the partner gets the opporunities to show how they've developed since the start of the game. Then, after a lot of effort and a decently lengthy postgame, they finally figure out what they need to do, and then the rest of it plays out like you said.
Gates' postgame is a good idea, it just wasn't fleshed out enough. It had a lot of lost potential, which is a shame.
>>24696909
why is espurr best character in spmd
>>24699865
I remember in rescue team the protagonist saying before he was going to return back to the human world that he "wanted to stay there for a little longer". It sounded like that implied that the MC wouldn't stay there FOREVER but that he was given more time to stay in that world.
>>24699925
She's a great partner desu, she's my fav
>>24699765
probably because main series suck ass.
>>24699925
Charge Beam and Psybeam. Saved my ass a few times.
>>24699905
Also would have been since if there was an arc toresurrect Hydreigonin the post game.
so, how hard is it to evolve you mains in this one, dare I ask?
So apparently the Jirachithat wants to fight you out of nowhereis the same one thatBidoof finds in Sky.
The thing is, I can't say when Super takes place in relation to other games.Whiscash uses to be in a pond. Rampardos talks about a shop. Corphish looks for guildmaster. But then there's Quagsire, who's back to being crime-punishing guy. Also, Hydreigon. And Tyranitar from ACT.
And many others.
>>24699967
You can't until lateeeee, as per usual.Unless you count these nifty scarves your partner gives you early.
>>24699968
The game wants you to turn your brain off and just smile and nod at all the cameos. They're the only way Super has any connections to the other games, so the idea that all the games are tied together into one world and universe now is pretty hard to believe. You could take all the cameos out and nothing of value would be lost.
It sucks.
>Vibrava used Earth Power!
At least the fucking Nidoqueens in Sky were optional
>>24699983
I am fairly sureLuminous Spring is mentioned.
Also, the odds of continents being so similar but not the same is too low.
....or you're just baiting.
>>24699988
>heliolisk used razor wind
Ok /vp/, here's the important question: Would youstay, or leave?
NUZLEAF IS THE CULPRIT
I was on ch.4 when some anon posted that, im on ch.5 now, thanks I dont know what it means though
>>24699976
what do the scarves do? and how late? after beating it, or is it at the very end? god I fucking hate the evolution system. i dont know why it would be so hard for them to just let me look like the legendary-scalping badass that I become
>>24699925
I hate the design, but I fucking love the character. Kind of a don't give many fucks kind of character, only facts matter. Fits with my autism.
>>24699423
>Not really that much
>Literally the first "real" reviver seed I've got in this game (Yeah, I haven't bought shit with my gold bars).
Thanks for being modest I guess.
>>24699931
Does she become an actual member of the team?
>that 1 star Axew mission
What in the fuck?
Am I actually supposed to be able to beat this?
>>24701423
Dude, that mission is super easy. Only second floor, and if you have more than two blast seeds you win.
How many floors are in the submerged cave
