>Opening up a new road! ASH GRENINJA IS BORN!!
>Ash and Greninja have become one, as if they're overlapping each other... as a Greninja none have ever seen before reveals itself! It's the miraculous power of a Trainer and a Pokémon connected through a powerful bond!!
Ash: Show them your power!
>(bottom blurb)
>This is a picture of a Greninja that reportedly was a hero that once saved the village from a crisis. Doesn't Ash Greninja resemble it...?
>What is Ash Greninja capable of!?
>Just what kind of powers does it have? Look forward to seeing it in action, you won't be able to see it outside the anime!
>you won't be able to see it outside the anime
Thank fuck
>>24676165
:')
>>24676125
I pretty much expected this. In the new opening, it's shown battling Sawyer's Mega Sceptile, and Ash is seen disappointed over the fact that both Sawyer and Alain can utilize Mega Evolution while he cannot. All Ash Greninja is is a substitute for Ash not being able to Mega Evolve any of his Pokemon. Ever.
I still expect Mega Chesnaught, Mega Delphox, and Mega Greninja in Z, though.
>>24676125
>Anime only
fuck. I really liked that design.
Well i just hope we will get some mega Greninja
the anime is fucking dumb
>>24676183
I'm just glad Mega Greninja won't look like that. Greninja is a great pokemon, but that's awful.
>>24676125
is this the first time Ash has been a special snowflake in the anime? like Fuck, is it really happening guys?
>>24676193
>I really liked that design.
Not gonna bite.
>>24676332
You just did
and people think the ashnime is good?
>we don't want to give ash a mega ring because we're THAT scared of changing the status quo guys, so let's give him this complete asspull transformation that has never occurred ever in the franchise before just because
what a fucking joke
>>24676206
that's mega greninja you fucking blind
>>24676125
What magazine is this?
>Ash has an incredible bond with Greninja who he's had for maybe a year
>Not Pikachu
And that's ignoring how utterly stupid this concept is to begin with.
>>24676361
pokefan
>>24676317
He was The Chosen One in 2000...
>>24676365
Unevolved fags are not allowed.
>>24676125
This is absolutely ridiculous.
However,
>you won't be able to see it outside the anime!
means I'll never have to see it at all, so I'm fine with it.
>>24676125
It means Ash-Greninja is anime exclusive because Ash is anime character.
it doesnt say the concept is anime only so its possible it'll be robert-greninja, john-greninja, anna-greninja etc in game and it'll gain the look of its trainer sprite
>>24676438
GF would never put that much effort into something like that.
And for the first time, I'm grateful for it.
>>24676459
Yeah, just like they didnt put any effort into trainer customization? Oh wait, they did.
Please. At best Greninja would change its "hair" color to match its trainer. Thats hardly a lot.
>>24676193
>mega greninja
>>24676479
Wait, you ACTUALLY want this shit?
>>24676183
>Ash not being able to Mega Evolve any of his Pokemon
Wait, why can't he mega evolve?
>>24676533
Because the writers are hacks and don't want to give him a permanent new tool.
>All these autists hating on Ash Greninja
I know a majority of /vp/ has insanely shit taste, but this is just hilarious.
The concept of "Ash Greninja" may be anime only.
But this design will be his mega evolution in the next game, there's no doubt about that.
GF are too lazy to go out of their way to come up with a completely different design. You're LITERALLY retarded if you think this design wont be in the next game under a new name.
>>24676533
he has no mega stone nor keystone
>>24676365
he hates Pikachu and nly uses it in battles so it gets hurt
>>24676566
I think you have some serious problems if you think the exact same design will appear in the games under a different name.
Just accept that the games will never acknowledge the anime to that degree.
>>24676365
Pikachu doesn't have protean
>>24676125
It's like something out of deviantart.
>>24676600
But that's exactly what will happen? Ash Greninja will be in the games labeled a mega evolution. I'm sorry I'm not retarded. :^)
>>24676634
Except it won't.
>>24676641
Who the fuck do you think you are telling me I'M wrong? It will be in the game. Time to accept the facts.
>>24676653
>my opinions are facts
>>24676667
No, my facts are facts. That's not even an opinion.
>>24676673
Can't we all just be happy that we won't ever see Ash Greninja in the main games?
The only reason I can see you wanting it this desperately is if you're an ashnime fag demanding to be taken seriously be game fans.
>>24676566
The design that gives him ash hair, ash colours, and ashes jacket symbol on his chest?
Yeah somehow i doubt that.
>>24676438
Hey look, a person with a brain ITT.
>>24676697
>thinking GF will put this much effort into something
>>24676125
>t's the miraculous power of a Trainer and a Pokémon connected through a powerful bond!!
Why the fuck didn't he fuse with Pikachu then?
That's been with him for like two decades now.
>>24676165
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>24676703
They'll just nerf character customization so that there'll be fewer starter customization options. :^)
>>24676703
>putting a different hail color on Pokemon
>effort
Ok
I want to hang myself in front of my 2 children
>>24676883
Go to a doctor, seriously
>>24676889
Does doctor have a rope?
>>24676870
It takes some man power to change all the upper body clothing into textures that fit Greninja's body. As for the hair, Greninja doesn't just change the color to match Ash', but also the shape.
It's not like it would be the hardest thing to do, but I don't see why they would bother with it.
>>24676125
YES.
Keep that garbage away from perfection.
>>24676905
Im sure they will/wouldd find a way to do it and not overwork themsleves at that :^)
>>24676600
Didn't ORAS acknowledge Alain and the Mega Evolution specials?
>>24676905
They didn't NEED to bother with character customization either, but they did. Starter customization would be just another new feature to entice potential buyers.
>>24676957
Yes, that why I said "to that degree". Since it is literally one slightly vague line that will only appear if you have the event Beldum in your party at a specific time in the game.
>>24676958
Exactly.
>>24676957
>Didn't ORAS acknowledge Alain and the Mega Evolution specials?
It does but ORAS also acknowledges Serebii's world map, Lord Helix from twitch plays Pokemon so i wouldnt thinkit means anything. Act 2 where Steven and Alain met with rayquaza was around ORAS release so thats probably why it was addressed at all
>>24676958
>entice
Or alienate.
>>24676979
>acknowledges Serebii's world map
Only half true. They didn't use it because Serebii made it, they probably didn't even know he made it. The version added in the games is a pixelated version of the map somebody else had posted who had added several other lines of texts on top of Serebii's original.
>>24676958
But does anybody actually want a Greninja that looks just like its trainer?
Trainer customization has been wanted by a considerable fraction of fans for a long time, and I have quite frequently seen people wanting hold items to be visible. But pokémon dressing up as their trainers?
>>24676711
Not as marketable or "badass".
>>24677014
>pikachu
>wearing costumes
>not marketable
![Pokemon_Yellow[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/mR6RxCp.png "Pokemon_Yellow[1].png")
>>24676600
>>Just accept that the games will never acknowledge the anime to that degree.
Pic related
Hitler did nothing wrong.
>>24676125
>>24676365
Glad to see Greninja is becoming the new Lucario. Maybe now I can go for five seconds without someone bashing aura dog.
>>24677034
>17 years ago
Poor pokefags living with the ashnime ahahaha
>>24677088
Poor pokefag pretending he's not a pokefag
>>24677118
That's not what he's implying.
>>24676979
>>24677087
>"games won't ever acknowledge the anime!"
>game acknowledges the anime
>"d-doesn't count!"
every time
>>24677087
I didn't realize I was on /v/-lite. This thread proves it.
>>24677088
>ashnime
>>>/trash/
>>24677141
That's honestly an insult to /v/.
>>24677143
>ashnime
>not garbage
>muh anime
>>24677143
>ashnime fags being assblasted because of a derogatory term
Please go back to whatever hugbox you came from
>>24677201
>a term literally used by an autistic /v/ poster when he spammed the board with pokemon anime shit
it's fucking trash
>>24677236
>a term literally used by an autistic /v/ poster when he spammed the board with pokemon anime shit
..and?
>you won't be able to see it outside the anime
POST YFW
>>24677193
>>24677201
>Implying I watch the anime
I was merely pointing out your use of the most autistic phrase on all of /vp/ used by literally one barneyfag-tier faggot.
>>24677301
But if you think the ashnime is shit, why do you even care about a word used to degrade the it? You shouldn't be triggered that fast.
>>24676332
>"not gonna bite"
>replying to convey you cared a little bit anyway
>>24676165
Ash-Greninja isn't, but not the concept itself anon.
>>24676987
>alienate people to more customization options
Yeah just like how XY alienated customizable protagonists. Then again you are the reason why they won't be seen in later gens, because alienate.
>>24676125
>you won't be able to see it outside the anime!
Jesus christ all this autism and misinformation.
>WHY DIDNT HE DO IT WITH PIKACHU/CHARIZARD/ETC
They don't have Protean. This is the same shit as Eternal Floette which also has multiple forms based on its flowers.
>ANIME ONLY
ASH Greninja is anime only. Doesn't mean there won't be "eternal" versions of starters that mimic your trainer's look. They're already wearing outfits of sorts that could be customizable.
>ASH GRENINJA = NO MEGA
You don't know fucking anything about marketing or merchandising if you think he's not getting a mega. They are holding off on it now because they don't want an old mon trivializing his Kalos team. The whole point of restarting every region is to raise a new team from scratch. Come league it will be nothing but megas.
You think it's a coincidence that Ash's rival is basically an edgy version of him with an edgy version of Charizard? Or that Char Y x Pikachu merchandise? They're fucking giving away.
>>24677381
Reread your sentences carefully before you post next time, holy shit.
>>24677004
Personally I'd rather have that for Kalos starters than megas. I already like their designs mostly, and it's a less jarring change than a mega. Plus it fits with Kalos's customization feature, and with their RPG party motif.
>>24677443
I did, maybe you should.
Why would customization alienate "potential buyers"?
>>24677436
The whole thread already has shitposting to begin with.
>>24677436
>Protean
People still believe Ash' Greninja has Protean as ability? wew.
>>24677460
Nigga it didn't have torrent.
>>24677455
Gen V was one gigantic fuckup. It's not a standard for anything besides how not to do a show.
>two Mega Charizard most marketable
Exactly. That's why they're setting him up for Char Y vs Alain's Char X. But Greninja is also marketable, and they don't want megas completely overshadowing it. Certainly not before he even gets to the fucking league.
>>24677467
Protean didn't show when it was a Froakie or a Frogadier, why should it be different as Greninja?
>>24677480
The only other type Froakie and Frogadier had are Normal and Flying, and they don't have a distinct visual look.
Besides, it fits with the song, as all of them are repped by the Pokemon Ash has, and mentioning Protean in it is weird. And no this isn't ">trusing OP music", the song is literally Ash and Greninja's image song.
>>24677459
If you think that sentence made any sense whatsoever, okay.
Also, just look at this thread. People are already bitching about an anime thing. Imagine if it made its way into the games.
>>24677497
The only people bitching about it are shitposters who are a few inches away of thinking Zygarde forms won't make it to the anime. These are the same fags who whine in /vp/ about LEL NO Z NEWS despite no indication until now with Coro Coro.
I am still wondering why "how is alienating customers with customization" not making sense.
>>24676365
>Shitposting this hard
>>24677503
Complete Zygarde and Ash-Greninja are very different.
>>24676711Because deep down Ash resents Pikachu for refusing to evolve and being the catalyst for him accepting the other monchildren.
>>24677510
Yeah, but not to these people. You should see the threads when XYZ news came out.
>>24677336
Being autistic in the way you hate something is worse than being autistic in the way you like something. And I never said I hate the anime, I just don't watch it.
>>24677543
But your being "autistic" in the way you hate that word.
>And I never said I hate the anime, I just don't watch it.
You're making it painfully clear that you watch the anime.
>>24676351
This thing is basically going completely against the status quo. It's easier getting rid of a mega than this is.
>>24677436
I thought Ash's main rival was Sawyer...
>>24677779
no, that's his secondary rival. but it's no coincidence that his two rivals are using mega versions of his old aces.
>>24677766
if ash got a keystone he'd have no reason to constantly keep it on him. With this it'll never get used again after Greninja inevitably gets boxed so he can go to whatever next region. This is basically just Blaze Infernape again except it makes even LESS sense and it's just an asspull so he can match megas without actually having a mega.
>>24677868
>have no reason to not* constantly
>>24676165
>you won't be able to see it outside the anime
>>24677760
>But your being "autistic" in the way you hate that word
The reasoning that one anon has for using the word is because the Pokemon anime for him isn't "MUH" anime, so he shoehorns his special little phrase into every one of his posts. By joining in, you're only taking part in the autism.
>You're making it painfully clear that you watch the anime
If you say so.
>>24677868
>he'd have no reason to constantly keep it on him
what the fuck are you even trying to say? he'll get a keystone to use whenever. megas are here to stay.
greninja doesn't mean he won't get a mega, it just means he can keep an all Kalos team (+Pikachu) for a while instead of overshadowing everything with mega charizard before we even hit the fucking league.
>>24677868
>This is basically just Blaze Infernape
It isn't because with Infernape the deal was with Paul. Greninja is completely different as it wants to be the best.
That's what I'm saying though, Ash getting the mega then losing it would have been easier than getting rid of a Greninja that's basically reaching mascot status by boxing it.
>>24677893
>The reasoning that one anon has for using the word is because the Pokemon anime for him isn't "MUH" anime, so he shoehorns his special little phrase into every one of his posts. By joining in, you're only taking part in the autism
Oh, well. Consider it a forced meme that broke through then. It's really no reason to be that upset about it.
>If you say so.
Why don't you watch the anime then? If it is incapable of holding your interest then it can't be good?
>>24677947
>Why don't you watch the anime then?
Just not interested in it. I watched when I was a kid, like pretty much everyone did. But I just have nothing but sapathy too it now. Heard people saying X & Y was good, but I just couldn't get into it. I don't have the same level of seething rage of Ashnimefag though.
>>24678019
Alright, if that's the way you see it then that's ok. I consider a show that I have watched but really couldn't care less about bad.
>>24677896
>greninja doesn't mean he won't get a mega
Yes it does. Are you kidding? The hoops they're jumping just so he can NOT use mega evolution are so obvious it's hilarious.
>instead of overshadowing everything with mega charizard
He's not going to use Mega Charizard. And as if overshadowing everything with Greninja is any better.
>>24677918
>Greninja is completely different as it wants to be the best.
...so did Infernape.
>Ash getting the mega then losing it
But why would he lose it? This is what I'm talking about, they can't make a way for him to permanently use mega evolutions so they're not giving him any period.
>>24676125
>Frogadier evolves and goes synchro in THE SAME DAMN EPISODE
I can't believe i thought they would actually explain this garbage in a moderately tasteful, or even remotely justified way. At least show us a couple of episodes of so-called bonding, or some other shit that could probably explain this thing, dammit.
It reeks of rushed idiocy that wasn't fully thought out, yet was served either way. Talk about an asspull.
>>24676365
> Ash is still 10
> Year
![[SOFCJ-Raws] Pocket Monsters XY - 93 END (TVO 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_17.04_[2015.11.19_17.07.22].png](https://i.imgur.com/DLWucIL.jpg "[SOFCJ-Raws] Pocket Monsters XY - 93 END (TVO 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_17.04_[2015.11.19_17.07.22].png")
>>24678108
yeah, when does a story ever present something first and explain it later?
they've been "bonding" since he first caught him. their bond is strong enough. he already did a greninjash thing against olympia, like gohan x goku vs cell.
I wonder whose Deviant page they got this off of
>>24678068
If the point of the Ash-Greninja form is so Ash could keep with Megas, then when the next generation rolls around how would he keep up with Megas once again if he boxes Greninja? Give him another pokemon with a "special" form? That seems even more of a hassle than just giving him a keystone to Mega-evolve when he wants.
>>24678068
greninja is at least a kalos mon, and his kalos ace.
they don't want him to use a mega YET. they don't want greninja to be completely irrelevant in its own saga. and they're not going to bring back old mons at least until after he wins his 8th badge.
you don't know fucking shit about marketing. he will have both eternal greninja and mega charizard on his team. same as how you can have mega rayquaza and primal groudon.
>>24676125
wew lad
>>24678142
Yeah, because that one particular moment justifies Ash Greninja. If Frogadier evolves and then immediately becomes Ash Greninja, I'll be really disappointed.
>>24678068
>...so did Infernape.
No see, that's just it. Infernape only wanted to improve because of Paul's shit. Greninja just literally wants to be the best. It's not the same thing.
>But why would he lose it?
Because of people going "LOL Status Quo". It's by that logic that Ash Greninja pretty much shafts that idea because it doesn't take an item to trigger it.
>This is what I'm talking about, they can't make a way for him to permanently use mega evolutions so they're not giving him any period.
And this is what I'm talking about. What they did is basically give him something that would be even more difficult to get rid of because it actually doesn't have an item requirement.
>>24678142
Look, i know that there's been SOME foreshadowing, but for something so legendary that it hasn't happened in hundreds of years you'd expect some sort of buildup. Even Infernape had a better developed character, yet he possessed no such legendary power.
This is a last second addition, and they don't seem to even try to hide it.Granted i have yet to see the episodes, but i sincerely doubt they can succesfully add just enough backbone to support this entire thing in a measly 12 minutes during the episode. This is something that could've worked if they had given it time to explain and actually develop it, but that is no longer an option.
>>24678629
Good thing it won't be just twelve minutes then.
>>24678629
The ninja village arc where Frogadier evolves is going to be a two-parter.
>>24676351
>and people think the ashnime is good?
Yes, it's not a matter of actual quality, they will say anything it does is a good thing.
>>24677766
>People actually think that
He'll box him and only use it when convenient.
Also, IIRC it was said when it was first revealed that its a Kalos exclusive thing so it may not work in other regions.
>>24678694
>ninja village
Does he also have aninja clan
>>24678738
No, it was revealed that it's only happened once in Kalos, not that it's Kalos exclusive. As for boxing, Megas aren't leaving. It'd be easier boxing a mega.
>>24678765
> As for boxing, Megas aren't leaving. It'd be easier boxing a mega.
What kind of "logic" is that?
You know that this doesnt make Greninja invulnerable to boxing?
>>24678765
From what we know it's a greninja exclusive thing. The only other time this evolution had happened was with another greninja.
>>24678775
Same logic as yours considering megas are going to be everywhere now.
>>24678785
You really need to work on your rebuttals.
>considering megas are going to be everywhere now.
That means there will be new megas in the future, yeah. How does that make Ash's Greninja unboxable?
You ashfags really surprise me each time with your stupidity, it's like you can always say something more retarded.
>>24678799
>he doesn't like the anime
>he spends is time trying argue with people liking the anime instead of just ignoring it
>he thinks his opinion is the only right one
yiss, I haven't watched anime for years but will never understand retards like you that really spends A LOT of time arguing about something you don't even like. Fucking ignore shit you don't like instead of trying to argue why the other person's opinion is shit. I will never understand why people spend their time doing that shit. Ffs drop it and move on.
>>24678799
Here's your explanation then:
Megas everywhere means he's going to be facing Megas about as often as regular battles. In that regard, he's going have to carry Greninja around more than half the time, pus it's Greninja who's been put all over the place.
Also, what the hell lead you to connect Greninja not being boxed to calling someone an ashfag?
>>24678820
You're very bad at hiding the fact that you have a positive opinion about the ashnime, even if you don't watch it
>>24678820
> Fucking ignore shit you don't like instead of trying to argue why the other person's opinion is shit.
Because its not an anime I can completely ignore since it plays a big part on a franchise I like.
>>24678838
That's on Kalos though. What about later?
Because Ash isnt exactly known for carrying his team through and through, he often goes to a new region with Pikachu only, what makes you think that he will cary it when he didnt do so with Charizard,Sceptile, Infernape and the others?
>Also, what the hell lead you to connect Greninja not being boxed to calling someone an ashfag?
Well, pretty sure the people who like the anime and people who defend it are partially the same people. I mean, there are retarded white knights like >>24678820 but they can't be a majority.
>>24676125
Calling it now, Ash-Greninja will just be a form, same stats but withParental Bond
>>24678860You seriously need help, anon
>>24678875
good argument
>>24678872
>same stats
stats don't exist in the anime anon
>>24678860
Charizard literally went to Johto as well as returned in Unova and Sceptile occurred in Kanto. The only one that even falls into what you're saying is Infernape.
That still doesn't explain your jump there with my post.
>>24678945
>what is quoting
Are you the same retard I often argue that cant make a proper point and thinks every little change is a big status quo shaker?
>Charizard literally went to Johto
Yeah, the first time Ash changed regions.
> and Sceptile occurred in Kanto
Same gen you retard.
>The only one that even falls into what you're saying is Infernape.
Fine, if you want it to be more precise.
Charizard, Snorlax and Heracross were Ash's power houses when Jhoto ended, none went to Hoenn (during Ash's travels).
Sceptile was that in Hoenn/Kanto 2, but wasnt carried on throgout Sinnoh.
Ditto for Infernape and Torterra
Ash didnt get a powerhouse in Unova.
But he clearly leaves every mon of his with the Proffesor when a new Gen comes around, and Ash-Greninja being a thing wont prevent it from happening when Gen 7 appears.
Everything I said is, of course, obvious, but I guess not so much if you're this retarded.
>That still doesn't explain your jump there with my post.
So people who watch the anime tend to think its shit and people who dont tend to say its good?
>>24679055
>he often goes to a new region with Pikachu only
>Charizard literally went to Johto and returned in Unova
>and Sceptile occurred in Kanto
>Ash didnt get a powerhouse in Unova.
Krookodile.
You know, if you're going to make an argument, at least know what you're even talking about.
I know who you quoted, but I want to know what lead to your jump in my post being in any way related to what you claimed. For the record, this is the first I'm talking here, but you really shouldn't be throwing "retard". It's hard to tell if you're being ironic or not.
>>24679111
>Forgot one mon
>suddenly ash didnt box any powerhouse ever and that definitely proves Greninja wont
Yeah, talk about jumps in logic.
> but you really shouldn't be throwing "retard". It's hard to tell if you're being ironic or not.
If anything, each one of your posts proves I'm right. I mean you just avoided my two arguments there and just insist on pointless shit. You are not an ashfag? Cool, I got it. But if you really expect people who defend something to not be seen as fans of that on a first look, you're incredibly autistic.
Not to mention that you "argue" like an ashfag (which is "not at all").
>>24676125
As much as i hate the design, i still would like to see it making into the games as m-greninja.
/vp/ sure is gonna explode
>>24679144
>tfw hate the anime
>tfw still wanted this in the games
It sucks being an autistic completionist, but I guess this goes there with Shadow Lugia, Shadow Mewtwo,Primal Dialga and Notched ear Pichu (which we did get but its lost now).
>>24676165
You won't see Ash Greninja in the game but Calem/Serena Greninja :^)
what are you people even talking about? what does boxing have to do with anything? yes, he will box greninja. greninja's bond with him isn't any stronger than his other pokemon, it's just that greninja in particular can achieve a special forme via protean and a strong bond. if his other pokemon had this power, their bond would be strong enough as well. it's not rocket science.
>>24679162
Some retard claimed this changes the status quo because Ash-Greninja will be harder to get rid of.
When asked why, he couldnt provide proof and then another who doesnt know how to quote jumped without providing proof either but still claiming to be on the high ground of the argument.
>this entire thread
>>24679185
>The form suddenly disappears after TF arc ends
>They never talk about it ever again
>Ash gets rekt on the league once again
>Ash abandons it with Oak
There
>>24679230
I know, tell that to the other retard, not me.
>>24679185
the only status quo change is ash having a fully evolved water starter. or even the fact that there is one in the main group.
the argument doesn't even make fucking sense. if giving him a mega would make him "too strong," thus breaking the status quo, why would they give him a super special form that's just as strong as a mega? how is that any different in that regard? if anything they're setting him up to be even stronger, because he can have greninjash AND a mega.
>>24679161
>>24679230
>The form suddenly disappears after TF arc ends
citation needed
>>24679253
There is a reason because they decided to remove goodra from ash team
>>24679270
Because, unlike Greninja, Goodra was willing to leave. And also expendable, but mostly willing to leave.
>>24679133
Yeah, notice how each part of your post I separate so they're not all tied together? Might want to check that again.
You're the one flinging insults around. If anything, you're pretty much talking about what you've been doing this whole time.
>>24679463
>Keeps ignoring the arguments
