Is this the worst route in any game?
>Empty
>Pokemon chase you
>Repel doesn't work
>Arena Trap
>WIND
>>24660705
now you are bitching about the hard parts of the game?
jesus christ /vp/ is a fucking shithole
>>24660724
>hard
>pokemon story quest
pick one
Objectively worst route
>>24660724
now you are bitching about the bad threads of the board?
jesus christ /vp/ is a fucking shithole
>Repel doesn't wkrk
>>24660705
i liked that it makes use the rollerskates, the itemfind and Rock Smash, also it got me pretty pumped at the fact of being chased in the overworld
it's one of the best in my opinion senpai
I'd say its just a random route that had potential with the various centrals yet was left completely empty.
Like most of Kalos, disappointing.
I didn't mind it just because it was something new and different.
However if every route in the game were like this it would be annoying as fuck
I liked the pokemon following you in that route but I wish it wasn't so empty
>>24660705
I hate it.
I wouldn't hate it so much if everything didn't have arena trap or repel worked.
>>24660749
They don't prevent you from encountering wild pokémon. So they're useless.
>>24660724
>awful controls
>hard
>>24660705
I heard that route is the living hell for Nuzlockers
It's a new, creative area. It's horrible to run through it, but that's the fun.
All other routes are the fucking same, I would love to see more different stuff in the world.
>Wild Helioptile and Gible
>Worst route
Nigger don't
>>24660927
With this kind of "argumentation" no games but turn based strategy titles are hard.
>NU UH this game isn't hard! If I could control the character with my mind he wouldn't have died!
>>24661000
/thread
![Sinnoh_Route_217_Pt[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/p4nR335.png "Sinnoh_Route_217_Pt[1].png")
This one. But at least the music was good.
>>24661000
Helioptile doesn't even appear on this route, and the fact they made it so easy to get Gible annoyed me.
![Kalos_Route_1_XY[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Jdj0RPN.png "Kalos_Route_1_XY[1].png")
:^)
>>24661004
Then you clearly haven't played enough real-time games. Because the controls can basically make or break a game.
>>24661079
I actually greatly enjoyed the whole way up to Snowpoint. Probably one of the longest areas without pokecenters. The snowstorm and thick snow near the end just made it more intense for me.
One of the times that I think exploring was done near perfect in pokémon.
>>24661107
I tried to say that it is subjective.
>>24660724
>hard parts
tedious would be more like it.
Good points of route 13
>seeing the pokemon on the overworld and them chasing you was a fun and exciting idea
>lots of maze like components and movement/navigation based puzzles
>good selection of pokemon
>nice music
>actually challenging route
>items to find
Bad parts of route 13
>despite its size, the majority of it is still just one large open rectangle with a ton of empty space, could have had more content or defining features like Hoenn route 119
>trapinch and diglett are fucking obnoxious
>doors that lead to nothing, unfinished power plant
>lack of trainers
>camera angle's limited view makes it hard to tell where you are
At least it's memorable.
>>24661121
Barely. When some of the enounters are literlly impossible to prevent and for each passing step you take you're just getting closer to a forced encounter, that's something I think few people enjoy. Now, unpreventable encounters with Arena Trap, great.
Same with the winds combined with cycling, since it really isn't that much about clunky controls. It's always just better to wait to the wind has passed, so it's more of a needles waiting game than anything.
The route is basically the epitome of why pokémon should be very wary of including real-time gameplay in a game that's main focus is turn-based battles and tile-based puzzles in the over-world.
>>24660705
>>24661098
man, Kalos had some boring-ass routes
>>24661083
>Can't get Gible until past-elite 4
Faggots complain
>Gible appears at a common route
Faggots complain
>>24661153
Nowhere near as boring as Unova, that place takes the cake for boring routes.
>>24661158
You can get Gible after like the second gym in DP.
In the final roon of an optional cave under cycling road you have to go through twice to find because the first time you complete an escort quest out of the cave before getting to the final floor.
>>24661152
I thought it is about going on an adventure. And adventures aren't easy the whole time.
I like it, whatever.
>>24661158
it's almost like different people are complaining...
whoa...
>>24661153
Not a route, but pic related was easily the stupidest area in any Pokemon game
>>24661158
>Can't get Gible until past-elite 4
Did someone complain about that in BW2? Because it's catchable pre-E4 in all other games were it makes even the slightest of sense.
Gible being catchable isn't really the problem, but the way it is implemented. Besides, Gible was like the biggest clutch in DPPt.
>>24661171
Oh this place was stupid
I'm sorry, but it was dumb as hell
Worst route, shittiest wild pokemon.
Better question
Which games had the best and worst victory roads?
This route in the Sevii islands.
I'm pretty sure that whoever designed this map was high.
>>24661153
Say what you like about the two routes you quotes, but I don't think boring is the correct word to describe either them.
>>24661167
Don't get me wrong. I greatly appreciate complex routes with lots of side-tracking and puzzles. However this route felt incredibly out of place to me. It wasn't particularly fun nor challenging. Just tedious and time consuming. The reason I didn't find it fun comes again back to the gameplay, feeling awkward with its mix of turn and time based elements, which again ruined all form of immersion and sense of adventure for me.
>>24661196
What's in the cave?
>>24661203
The one with the best theme and the one with the worst theme
>>24661171
Did Mewtwo travel here expecting peace and seclusion?
>>24661171
the music made going through that place an awful experience
>>24661208
Agreed.
>>24661196
Most awesome BGM track.
>>24661210
it's new mauville
Say what you will about gen 3 and oras but it is undoubtedly accurate that Hoenn had the best routes
>>24661203
BW2
Because instead of a giant cave you explore N's Castle
>>24661238
>That moment when you're first playing through BW/BW2 for the first time
What a final act
>>24661203
BW2 > XY = ORAS > DPPt > BW > FRLG >>>>> HGSS
>>24660705
that's the point of being a "challenging" route
sipping HP and slowly removing your team
>>24661254
annoying =/= challenging
>>24660816
>wish a desert wasn't so empty
It's just an alternative desert to Unova one for example, that had dunes. This one is actually the one that looks more American or Asian like tho, and the Unova one looks more like an African desert.
>mfw encountering wild Hydreigon in XY Victory Road
>>24661263
regardless, in this case those coincide
that's like those routes with high base speed and levelled mons dungeons where you can rarely escape unless specific items or abilities
>is this the worst x in y?
why is are all the interest boards such negative nancys
literally half the posts/threads on any board are about why is this so shitty/why is everything getting shittier/its shit
>>24661300
> interest boards
fanatics (otaku) are generally miserable people for myriad reasons
>>24661300
where do you think we are
>>24661205
Actually the pattern matches the original blue/green and red games memory chips and is put in as a clever joke since you can only catch bug pokemon highlighting the fact the original games were full of bugs
Is Hoenn the only region with puzzles in its routes?
>>24661268
>Kalos Badlans looks American
>Unova's desert looks African
You've probably never been in either.
>>24661162
detected the butthurt kalosfetus
>>24660724
Tedious =/= Hard
>>24661363
neither you 2bh
>>24661361
Kanto (or rather, the Sevii Islands) does as well, if that counts.
>>24661352
Pomf pls
>>24660705
my game crashed in this area
>>24660705
Don't forget
>Mandatory to visit to evolve certain Pokemon
Yes, it is awful.
>>24661236
>tfw they ruined your favorite secret base in ORAS
Kalos was a joke.
>>24660724
no one is bitching you autismo
>>24660927
Nigga it's an analog stick. That's the only "controls." Here's my hint: press the stick right when you want to go right. I'll let you figure out the rest.
>>24661219
20% of Kalos has this problem. Fuck Santalune Forest. I don't get how every other Pokemon forest has great music except for it.
>>24661361
There are strength puzzles on routes in B2W2. Pretty fun ones imotbh
>>24661706
pain
and the promise of revenge
>>24660738
I mean that route is the bridge to the victory road and the elite 4. By itself it is pretty useless but it has access to the hardest parts of the game. That makes it far less worse than other routes.
>>24661166
I thought it was only available after the 2nd gym in Plt. In DP, the way was blocked by boulders and you were confined to like one square until you got strength. Could be wrong though.
>>24662108
Hell no XY had great music especially trainer battle music
BAMPETYBLAMBLAMBLAMbomBAMPETYBLAMBLAMBLAMbom bomptybomwompwompbombompetybomwompwomp oh my nards
>>24663019
yeahno.
kalos had the worst music.
they were trying too hard and made the arrangements and melodies too complex.
simplicity is where it's at, that's why ORAS had excellent music whereas XY didn't.
>>24663625
I disagree completely, Hoenn easily has the worst music followed by Kanto.
>>24660705
This route feels like a test area they hadn't finished. Maybe it is. I mean, you can't enter the power plants, you've got these random skate rails just built randomly with no rhyme or reason, then you've got all this empty space in the middle.
>>24661119
Agreed, this route is great, and I don't really like DPP.
>>24661171
I enjoyed it. Nice secluded area with tons of items and for once wasnt an area that didnt really have a purpose
>>24663625
Completely disagree. "trying too hard" this is just retarded. what?
>>24663625
I think most people think Kalos had great music..
Kalos had amazing music
Opening theme (where you choose gender, name etc)
Gym leader theme
Team Flare battle theme
Kalos Power Plant
Route 8
Route 15
Laverre
Anistar
Snowbelle
Santalune
Victory Road
League
DIANTHA'S THEME
Kiseki
and thats just my favourites
>>24660752
This.
>>24661119
Snow done right. Pitiful imitations followed
>>24660705
I loved this route, you can actually dodge encounters unlike in caves. Arena trappers are easily avoided with flying types.
>>24663632
The skate rails are pipes maybe?
no, I liked this route.
>>24661236
>>24661361
Anyone has the sauce for ORAS guide?
>>24663660
>no Boutique theme
>no Gate theme
>no Korrina theme
>no Cyllage
>no Route 4
6/10 list
>>24660705
>>24664856
This route was so useless it hurt.
>>24664873
But didn't that first step onto feel like the beginning of a grand adventure.
>>24664880
if you're not autist no it didn't
>>24660705
This route threw too many new concepts at you all at once. You've got
>Moving overworld Pokemon that chase you
>Wild Arena Trap battles
>Grindrails you haven't seen since the first gym
>Fucking wind to account for, for the first and only time ever
And none of these concepts come back later or are built upon. It's like if World 4-1 in a Mario game were replaced with a random Sonic level, and the game never brought it up again.
Also
>Random fucking grinding rails in a desert area
>Power plant you can't go into
>Half the map is a boring square
It's shit
>>24663019
I wasn't even talking about battles bruh. A lot of the overworld's music is stale and otherwise terrible. Actually, I'd venture to say every overworld theme before the fifth gym is subpar, minus Castelia 2.0 and the powerplant. What killed Kalos musicwise, though, was a complete lack of variety.
>>24663660
I agree with a lot of these, though you're not including boutique and super training, which is mistake. I don't like kiseki, diantha's theme, gym leader vs music, Santalune, and some others that you mentioned. However, this is a really short list compared to my favorite songs of other generations, and I wouldn't include anymore other than the two I mentioned. A few great tracks doesn't make for an overall great OST. Compared to B2W2, which had loads of tracks that I loved, Kalos just doesn't compare.
>>24665501
They went for more 'ambient' music rather than music with more distinct melodies like in previous games. I don't think it was too bad, but it did feel different and a bit out of place for a Pokemon game.
>>24664951
>Not since the first gym
>Was a major component of the fourth gym
It's like I'm really talking to John GameFreak himself.
>>24660945
Why is that?
>>24664880
yes
it had a nice camera angle
>>24660724
welcome to /vp/?
>>24660705
You are correct. Nothing was more annoying than getting blown into a chasing Trapinch by the wind and having to sit there and kill it instead of just running away, because they thought that it was an excellent idea to use a pokemon with an anti-fleeing ability on the only route in the game where things will actively come after you, and there were no other pokemon *but* Trapinch, unless you got extremely lucky and that *one* other pokemon that shows up there with a 1% chance pops out.
>>24669181
The wind really ruins the whole thing.
Without the wind there, you'd have a route where the battles themselves are inescapable but can be proactively avoided from the overworld by dodging the pokemon. The wind makes them impossible to avoid.
>>24667262
Arena Trap I guess.
>>24663747
They should be made to look like pipes. Kalos uses the same lamps, same bushes, same fucking everything in every area. It's so fucking bland.
>>24660705
At least it was a bit challenging.
>>24661275
The lvl64 kids cried enough
Yes because it's based on ground zero
>>24669855
No, that was Route 4U.
