Here is the complete list of TMs from RBYGSC that hadn't been appeared as TM or MT in post-Crystal games:
Bide
Bubble Beam
Curse
Detect
Dragon Rage
Dragons Breath
Egg Bomb
Fissure
Harden
Headbutt
Horn Drill
Iron Wing
Mega Drain
Pay Day
Psywave
Rage
Razor Wind
Skull Bash
Submission
Sweet Scent
Take Down
Teleport
Tri Attack
Water Gun
Whirlwind
Zap Cannon
WHY IS IT SO LONG?
>>24627227
A lot of these moves need to not suck first.
>>24627227
>Iron Wing
>>24627268
>TM47 from GSC
>>24627227
>>24627268
>>24627300
>Steel Wing
Is wrong on the list.
Mega Drain became Giga Drain
METRONOME
>Headbutt
Ya blew it.
>>24627348
U wot
>>24627348
>Mega Drain - Base Power 40
>Giga Drain - Base Power 75
Bellossom learning by level up Mega Drain and not Giga Drain.
Leafeon learning by level up Giga Drain and not Mega Drain.
>>24627227
Teleport would be an acceptable TM if it were a Psychic-type Parting Shot that operated like Fly in the overworld and retained its wild battle effect
Whirlwind would be great too
The rest are shit, Harden was never a TM, and "Iron" Wing still is
>>24627227
>Bide
>Bubblebeam
>Detect
>Dragon Rage
>HARDEN
>Mega Drain
>Psywave
>Rage
>Razor Wind
>Take Down
>Water Gun
All shit or outclassed. These would just take up space on the TMs and Tutors
>Dragon Breath
>Egg Bomb
>Fissure
>Horn Drill
>Pay Day
>Skull Bash
>Teleport
>Zap Cannon
These are fine with their current distributions. They're either thematic or OP. I don't want No Guard Golurk and Machamp fucking my shit up in the Battle Maison.
>Curse
>Headbutt
>Submission
>Sweet Scent
>Tri Attack
Agreed. Some of this stuff is great ingame or competitively, certainly better than Confide.It's not a long list, though.
>"Iron" wing
What is TM 51?
>>24627380
>>24627401
I'm talking about the TM.
>>24627457
>Harden was never a TM
See TM40 from GSC.
>tfw no Struggle TM or MT
>>24627543
Defense Curl you mean?
Most of those moves are useless.
Why use Water Gun if you can use Surf.
>>24629714
>Why use Surf when you can use superior move Scald
>>24627227
fuck off retard
>>24629835
yeah just let me count the number of non-water types that learn it
>tfw your bro will never learn Tombstoner
>>24627227
>Harden
>Psywave
>Razor Wind
These moves suck, though. You'd think Razor Wind is pretty powerful, but it does so little damage.
I do agree on Dragonbreath, Bubblebeam, Zap Cannon and others, though.
>>24627227
>Giga Drain and Drain Punch aren't TMs anymore
>fucking Quash and Confide are
every time
>>24627227
>shit
>shit
>worse Bulk Up
>worse Protect
>shit
>shit
>worse Return/Frustration
>eh
>worse Bulk Up (shit)
>tutor in HGSS
>eh
>Steel Wing, TM51 in Gen VI
>worse Giga Drain
>shit
>shit
>shit
>mega shit
>shit
>shit
>shit
>worse Double-Edge
>shit
>not really missed
>SHIT
>better Roar
>eh
The vast majority of that list is shit.
>>24627227
>Bide
sucks and should never be brought back.
>Bubble Beam
pretty much replaced by Water Pulse which was also dumped
>Curse
a damn shame, only good point on the list
>Detect
redundant with Protect
>Dragon Rage
replaced by Dragon Breath
>Dragon Breath
replaced by Dragon Pulse
>Egg Bomb
a joke move
>Fissure
too many OHKO TMs, they should be brought back as move tutor moves though if GF weren't lazy shits.
>HARDEN
You mean Defense Curl I assume. Both suck. At least Defense Curl works with Rollout? Is it a move tutor move actually? It sounds like one.
>Headbutt
a move tutor move in HGSS
>Horn Drill
same as Fissure
>"Iron" Wing
still a TM? I think? What is this. Do you mean Iron Tail? I think that became a move tutor move.
>Mega Drain
replaced by Giga Drain
>Pay Day
another joke move
>Psywave
What does this even do? Good riddance.
>Rage
another joke move
>Razor Wind
Needs to be reworked before it gets brought back
>Skull Bash
Also needs to be reworked
>Submission
Should be a move tutor move and buffed a bit
>Sweet Scent
NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK. Because horde shenanigans
>Take Down
Literally a weaker Double-Edge
>Teleport
needs to be reworked/buffed
>Tri Attack
a very niche thematic move, no need to be brought back
>Water Gun
are you serious
>Whirlwind
no, it's fine as is
>Zap Cannon
Okay. Second good thing on the list. Also bring back Dynamic Punch.
>>24627227
Out of all those, only Tri Attack and Curse aren't useless or the same thing as another move, like Detect.
>>24627471
>sweet scent, submission and headbutt are great ingame or competitively
sweet scent is learned by tropius, who also gets fly. That's literally all you need.
submission is shit
headbutt is shit when you can use return on everything
The real travesty is the HGSS Move Tutors whose moves never came back, which as far as I know means that onlySucker Punchwas left behind.
>>24627471
>>Fissure
Machamp deserves this again
:^(
>>24631042
How is Submission a good move?
>egg bomb was once a TM
>>24627227
>Pay Day
>Fissure
>Submission
I honestly haven't seen these moves being used since gen 1.
>>24632191
>Sweet scent
Would be nicer to have it on something that I actually want on a post-game team
>Submission
With a little buff it could be useful with Reckless (read Emboar & maybe Staraptor) still useful fighting coverage otherwise
>Headbutt
Useful for flinch chance and being usable as soon as you catch something.
Not the best moves, sure, but better than some of the shit we have for TMs and MTs.
>These TMs are shit because everything has to be about competitive play!
It's like you don't even remember the godsend that was Water Gun Rattata in Mt. Moon.
>>24633011
>he took charmander
>>24633011
While funny, Nidorino and to some extent Clefairy were better at it.
>>24629877
That facking TM28
>>24627227
quash and scald
>>24629877
H-hold me :(
>>24627227
>wanting half of this crap to be TMs
>>24633011
they are shit even in-game
>>24633981
>>24632203
>no guard Fissure
No.
