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Since nothing's happening, let's talk about the biggest slippery slope in the series, mega evolution. In its current state, they:
>cuts down the number of new pokemon
>players barely use most of them, being post game and limited to 1 per team
>some megas are objectively better than others, limiting team building for competitive
>continuously raises the power creep as GF wants to make players use the new ones
>divides the playerbase in opinion, or "if my bro doesn't get a mega I'll be skipping next game"
>clutters the bags; next gen we'll be approaching 100 mega stones
>limits time spent on new features, as megas are considered one of the series "selling points" now
>strips weak pokemon of any future; they can't evolve anymore and are stuck with a weak mega/useless ability
>catering to genwunners can backfire; they're not the kind who'll stick with the series
I wonder how many people are actually ok with the above.
lurk more and you know that too many are ok with this
>>24618721
Megas are here to stay. Get over it or give up on Pokemon
>>24618729
lurk more is the classic answer to every question ever :^)
>>24618721
As the time goes megas are probably going to change, perhaps having a universal mega stone or sumtin
>>24618727
Yeah, I imagine diamond and pearl and then black as white remakes selling mega evolutions of their starters as the big value-add.
>>24618721
>strips weak pokemon of any future
tell that to mawile, sableye and beedrill. The only downside I can see happening is megas becoming shit during a generation shift and game freak being unwilling to change anything to the existing megas.
>>24618731
So is :^)
>>24618761
I was talking about the likes of Houndoom, Banette, Blastoise, Glalie and Steelix.
>>24618757
Which is won't come out by at least 6 more years. If this is their plan, I honestly hope it backfires.
Bampu
Megas are gay, hope they stop being gay with them and just stop.
>>24618726
>>strips weak pokemon of any future
>Mawile
>Charizard
>Kangaskhan
>Pinsir
>Beedrill
>Manectric
>Altaria
>Lopunny
Yeah bro sure didn't help them at all.
>>24619086
Now look at the unlucky ones
>>24618795
But can you imagine playing Shocking Black and Burning White and wondering why they moved Striation to the end until you realize Cilan, Cress and Chilli are now a triple battle and you have to fight Mega Simisage, Mega Simipour and Mega Simisear all at once?
>>24619110
List the unlucky ones.
They're a terrible idea because of all the reasons you mentioned as well as the fact that it seems no one but Eevee will ever get a regular evo again. Which only further exacerbates the gap in power.
>>24619260
It keeps the little cup metagame from being flooded with overpowered Pokemon that got new evolutions.
>>24619260
[citation needed]
>>24618795
But all of those you mentioned are decent. The real shitty ones are Audino and Latios, whom no one ever uses.
>>24618721
I agree, fuck Mega Evolution. It's the worst gimmick GF has ever come up with. I hope they remove it next gen.
>>24619446
>seems
>>24619481
Doesn't it make boss battles seem more intense when their battle start cinematic pans to a view of their keystone sending chills down your spine.
>>24619491
No, because you still oneshot them. Pokemon is not really a game with great battles, unless you're doing PvP. And even that's getting stale.
>>24618721
Making PokeGods cannon was one of the stupidest idea GF could even have
>>24618721
Many of these problems can be solved without megas having to go away. Sure it cuts down on new pokemon, but I think they should slow down on that anyway.
>>24618721
>>clutters the bags; next gen we'll be approaching 100 mega stones
I always thought they should put more pockets in bags.
For me the biggest issue, and why I dislike megas, is because you can´t transfer them over to the new game. They´re literally just an item.
Also instead of giving them to designs that need them (4th evolution) they're mostly given to just random pokemon, it also kills potential new evolutions (gen 4 had some decent ones)
Also most of their designs are just ugly. Like cluttered or downright stupid. (Audino, Slowbro)
Just because Mewtwo and Charizard got two megas doesn't mean it's catering to genwunners. They're the most popular mons in the franchise besides Pikachu, even among the people that still buy all of the new games.
Still disappointed in "Primal Reversion" not being anything outside of Groudon and Kyogre. Could've been used for fossil Pokémon to change that Rock typing
>Bug/Water Primal Armaldo
>>24618721
>catering to genwunners can backfire; they're not the kind who'll stick with the series
Wait a minute. Are you saying that the people who've been with the series since the beginning aren't the people that stick with this series? Holy fucking shit you're retarded baka senpai desu
>>24619149
audino
glalie
chimcholio
latios and latias
steelix
>>24620517
There are many people who have only played the first one or two generations and then they just stop playing. They also tend to be the same people who say that the creators are "running out of ideas."
>>24620523
You don't know that nigger. You're assuming.
>>24620537
no he does know
>>24618721
>cuts down the number of new pokemon
Yeah, it sucks
>players barely use most of them, being post game and limited to 1 per team
Many arent post-game.
>some megas are objectively better than others, limiting team building for competitive
True, in a way.
>using the term power creep seriously
>divides the playerbase in opinion, or "if my bro doesn't get a mega I'll be skipping next game"
If it takes retards out that's good.
>clutters the bags; next gen we'll be approaching 100 mega stones
It sucks, though they'll probably implement a new space in the bag for mega stones, like berries and poke balls have.
>limits time spent on new features, as megas are considered one of the series "selling points" now
that's speculating here since ORAS was the only game where they used them to cut short on features, but its a possibility.
>strips weak pokemon of any future; they can't evolve anymore and are stuck with a weak mega/useless ability
That's more because Game Freak doesnt understand the competitive pokemon scene rather than a problem with the concept.
>catering to genwunners can backfire; they're not the kind who'll stick with the series
catering to genwunners is pointless because they ARE genwunners, they wont buy shit after Gen 2.
But for a mega hater, you make actual points so props to that.
>>24620522
Hey, at least Latias and Latios get Soul Dew which make them SOMEWHAT usable...in PU!
I blame Eviolite, many needed evolutions would be outclassed by the previous form holding Eviolite.
Ideally they could adjust BSTs and the damage formula to prevent a large portion of fully evolved from being OHKO fodder.
VGC banning non-breedable mons would also be a start.
>>24619075
WELL SPOKEN, YOU ARTICULATE WORDSMITH.
>>24620537
And you aren't? Have some self awareness.
>>24620547
>using the term power creep seriously
It's the best example of power creep in the series. Regular mons with damage output and stats of box ubers.
>>24618721
>>clutters the bags; next gen we'll be approaching 100 mega stones
Make a mega stone slot.
Couldn't they just increase the stats of mons that weren't frequently used on winning teams online?
Retcons happen between gens anyway, and they wouldn't be limited by the number of redesigns they've made.
>>24621866
They could do a lot of things instead of just throwing shit on the wall and seeing what sticks
>Pokemon are stronger than legendaries now
Completely misses the point of legendaries.
Fuck megas.
>>24619270
that was never a problem for scyther or sneasel
>>24623948
Can't wait until those fags relize they are running around with legendaries.
252+ Atk Life Orb Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 312-368 (77.2 - 91%)
252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 304-358 (75.2 - 88.6%)
252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 315-370 (77.9 - 91.5%)
>megas are balanced guys
>>24621866
Its a kids game. Kids Don't give a fuck about stats. They uses what they think is cool.
>>24624036
What's wrong with those...?
>>24619544
>but I think they should slow down on that anyway
While I'm one of those that don't like megas, I agree with your reasoning.
>>24618721
>players barely use most of them, being post game and limited to 1 per team
People don't care if you can use one mega or another on your in game team.
There are a lot of pokemon that you can't get until post game.
>some megas are objectively better than others, limiting team building for competitive
Some Pokemon are objectively better than others
>divides the playerbase in opinion, or "if my bro doesn't get a mega I'll be skipping next game"
No one actually thinks this way, it's only trolling/people who weren't going to get it anyway.
>strips weak pokemon of any future; they can't evolve anymore and are stuck with a weak mega/useless ability
Beedrill would like to have a word with you about that.
>>24623948
Pokemon have been stronger than legendaries since gen 1 you fucking retard
>>24620571
Eviolite usually isn't a problem. It can help out nfe mons but they seldom surpass an evolution unless its a specific case like chansey.
As for megas, as a concept they aren't inherently bad. Mega gyarados and mega beedrill prove they can be done right. Gamefreak just sucks at execution, so the majority of megas are either ridiculously overpowered or not worth the team slot.
>>24618721
Holy *fuck* have they made VGC fun though.
>Got to work out which of the enemy mons has the mega stone (could be more than one!)
>If Charizard, which stone?
>Whole new layer to weather shenanigans
>Fucking mid-battle type changes holy shit
It honestly makes the competitive game (Doubles at least) glorious. Whoever came up with this shit was a game-design genius.
Mega Evolution is a bit of a hit and miss, but at least they gave my husbando an awesome design.
>>24624099
Nothing buddy
>>24625504
Always Y
Mega Kangaskhan
Mega Gardevoir
You're welcome.
>>24618721
You're right, but if you're able to treat Megas as new Pokemon, this is a non-issue.
This promotes exploration across the region in the hopes that you'll be able to find a mega stone for one of your favorite Pokemon. However, from a game development standpoint, it has to be done post-game due to the fact that hunting for these stones would take the focus away from the main game.
Some regular Pokemon are better than others, its not a problem that exists solely with Megas Evolution. And this really only applies if you play competitively at all.
Fair point
Same as #3, people will always be opinionated when it comes to Pokemon (muh bro, muh generation etc.), not exclusive to Megas. And literally nobody skipped a game just because their bro didn't get a Mega.
Fair point, but they can easily create an item or sub menu to store Mega Stones in.
New engine, everything in 3D, Fairies, PSS, Amie, Super Training, Rollerskates, Friend Safari, Trainer Customisation, and O-Powers were all able to make it into the game despite Megas being a major focus now.
See #3 again
Literally who cares about genwunners. Let them pander this once with XY and we never have to deal with it again.
>>24619458
>Latios
>shitty
It's just that base Latios is already good, so the cost isn't worth it. M-Latios would be solid otherwise.
Unless you include Soul Dew, which is completely broken.
>>24626328
If they gave it a different ability and more speed, it would be used like Alakazam is, despite having no increase in power.
>>24618727
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the multiverse thing giving us a game in a world without megas at some point. Because, fuck megas.
>>24619138
>MegaMonkey of Elements
>Still not even remotely threatening
>Just the thought of it makes me puke
>>24618721
>>catering to genwunners can backfire
I've never understood how this caters to genwunners. To me, the moment they started with this mega bullshit I immediately thought genwunners would be against it. I mean, it's just power creep with no sense of balance in the long run. That basically kills the franchise.
>>24626854
I am a genwunner. I despise Megas.
I always did dream of fourth stage evos but.... not like this. Never like this.
>>24626854
Most XY megas were for gen 1 mons. Memezard and Mewtwo even got two.
And most of them are pretty strong, so genwunners couldn't complain that their Kanto starters sucks in competitive, or whatever.
Still, I'd rather if they fixed base stats and abilities instead. Not sure why GF takes the time to tweak movesets every gen, but not base stats. As long as there's countless 600 BST legends with perfect abilities running around, most regular mons will be useless unless they're especially crafted for competitive (like Greninja, Amoonguss and Aegislash)
>>24626931
>i am a genwunner
k, get a tripcode so everybody can filter you
>>24618721
>m-muh new pokemon
you people can never be appeased. if there are too many like in r/b/y or b/w you say there are shitters like mr. mime or trubbish. now you scream there are too little. you can't have your cake and eat it too.
>players barely use them
they're not post game, and people in competitive and standard play use them all the fucking time. and it's good that they're limited to one per team.
>some megas are better than others
I like how you point this out about competitive, but then said nobody used them. Nice fallacy. Regardless, megas are very useful ingame, and there is a very good distribution of megas in smogon's tiers, with megas usually comprising the A or S ranks. if you want them to stop limiting teambuilding, play a lower tier, or find a good niche for one.
>le power creep
Fuck off, its existed since gen III and while megas haven't fixed the problem the blame's not on them either
>divides playerbase
good, roots out retards and hypefags who don't actually care for the series
>clutters bags
I feel real fucking sorry for you.
>limits time spent on new features
you say this after we've gotten two official games with megas. we have barely seen the impacts megas make on game development (except for the positive ones caused by marketing) and you have no ground to state this.
>strips weak pokemon
please tell me which pokemon actually lost power or purpose from gaining a mega.
>caters to genwunners
I don't care enough about genwunners - why their opinions would affect my own baffles me.
>hurr all the people who are ok with my really minor complaints are morons
excellent tie up to a useless argument.
I hope we don't even get new Pokemon in gen 7, just megas for all pokemon who haven't gotten one, just to spite every single one of you fucking idiots.
>>24627337
>and people in competitive and standard play use them all the fucking time
That's because if you don't you're gimping yourself for no good reason.
>>24627337
There would literally not be Pokemon if it weren't for us you faggot. Go jerk off to the latest furbait and when you climax, remember that genwunners made that possible
megas in general are stupid, I don't know why people like them. le super saiyan pokemon
>>24618721
I don't think some of those will be a problem, it's not like cross-gens are banned from the series forever, they could have another Gen with cross-gens and make new Megas in the same Gen as well.
Shame on the Pokémon like Audino that already got robbed.
>>24627352
no? I have made several builds without having to use a mega. they are strong, yes, but not necessary, and they don't fit all teams.
but to say "nobody" uses them is stupid.
stop shifting your goalpost all over the fucking place.
>>24627359
Oh, that's a nice fucking response. here you go:
>>>/trash/
there, you can shitpost as much as you want now.
>>24627371
this is the average person who doesn't like megas, everybody. because they're "super saiyan pokemon". What does this point prove? Other than the fact that the anon has no idea what he's talking about?
I swear to fucking God half of you are illiterate and the other half legitimately post on Youtube and 9gag-tier websites
>>24627397
Because Electivire and Dusknoir don't sell toys
But MEGABANNETTE and MEGACHARIZARD and MEGAOTHERCHARIZARD do. We're already riding the slippery slope, we just gotta brace for a crash before it gets fixed. They dont give a shit about actual fans, competitive balance, usability, etc. Megas let them be lazy AND reap in massive profits. They aint never gonna stop
>>24627427
Dusknoir got to be a major character in PMD2 and I've never seen any Megabanette pandering, ever. Electivire is forgotten because Electivire is a shit design.
>Gen VII
>no new pokemon just more mega evos
The shitstorm would never end
It would be beautiful
>>24627439I-i like Electivire
>>24618784
:^)
>>24627477
I don't but you're free to your opinion since I like unpopular shit likeCarbink
>>24627477
Me too, second favorite Pokemon.
>>24627415
>no? I have made several builds without having to use a mega. they are strong, yes, but not necessary, and they don't fit all teams.
>>24627501
dude, if I need a tyranitar, running Tyraniboah or CB Tar are both superior to Mega Tar. If I need a fast volt turner, I can use raikou instead of mega mane, and I can run specs or LO on the former, albeit at losing Intimidate. If I need a wallbreaker on megacham levels, azu not only hits harder with CB, but it can run a few more options. You can run normal venu over megasaur. and so on.
is this such an alien concept to you?
I tried really hard to not use Mega Evolution at all when X and Y came out. I swore I could defeat anything without using it. When they forced me to pit Mega Lucario against Mega Lucario, I replayed that battle seventeen times before being forced to mega evolve the damn thing. Even then, I could swear I wouldn't have to use it competitively.
Of course, with stupid kids on PSS loading up their teams with Megas and Legendaries, I ended up having no choice again. I guess I like Mega Lopunny, at least... But if I use my Bug team, the only one who can Mega evolve is Heracross and he sucks in Mega.
I dunno. I wish they hadn't done it. It's really cheap.
>try to look up pics of Mega Lopunny
>90% furry porn
Nobody google it.
>>24627725
This is 100% the mechanical problem with Megas.
>>24627725
>intentionally gimping yourself to prove some stupid point
>thinking story mode is challenging even without a mega
>mega heracross
so much autism and scrubbiness in one post.
>>24627789
meant to say
>mega heracross sucks
>>24627789
No, they kinda set it up so that it's literally impossible to beat that Lucario without Mega Evolving your own.
You try it and see. They wanted to prove that Megas are faster and stronger than anything you'll ever raise by yourself.
And by the way, Mega Heracross DOES suck.
Look at it. It looks like a reject Power Rangers villain. It's slow, it's weak, it's lame. And they knew it.
>>24627821
>it looks like a toku monster/mech
no fucking shit you goddamn pleb, that's the point. and just because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean it sucks.
>>24627501
>implying soul dew isn't better than mega
>implying I wanna lose prankster on sableye
>>24627725
>>try to look up pics of Mega Lopunny
>>90% furry porn
>Nobody google it.
>where do you think you are.jpg
>>24627835
Yeah, because Mega Heracross can ever have any hope of beating any other Mega out there, even if you raise it with 6 IVs.
Which by the way, the whole IV system took a lot of the fun out too. You can't catch and raise your team in game, you have to breed the fuck out of them and raise them so fucking mechanically now in order to have any hope of competing or even beating your friends. I remember playing Gold and thinking "Hey, I like that level 2 Pidgey. I'm gonna catch it" and then having that damn thing with me to the end of the game.
>>24627725
>I tried really hard to not use Mega Evolution at all when X and Y came out.
For what fucking reason other than raw autism?
>>24627857
IVs and EVs were in every game you fucking idiot. the meta was always using these. just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it wasn't there.
you were a scrubby kid then and you can still beat scrubby kids now without breeding, but people who understand the mechanics are going to be better, just like in gen 1.
and again you're a colossal idiot if you think mega hera is weak. it's one of the best wallbreakers in the game.
>>24627725
What is mega beedrill?
What is mega scizor?
What is mega pinsir?
>>24627876
Not him, but because Megas are gay and you're gay for thinking only autists would try not to use one.
If there were suddenly a gay whore in every bedroom in America,. would you use him and then call someone else an autist for trying not to?
>>24627876
I personally thought it was cheap and I didn't want any of the pokemon that could Mega on my team.
I didn't like my choices being limited to these super powered Pokemon when some of my favorites have always been... Well, the lesser choices. My favorite Pokemon is Leavanny, shortly followed by Scolipede. I don't see the game as being competitive - THAT'S autistic. It was always just about being a Pokemon trainer.
>>24627889
They're probably pokemon that werent specifically on his monobug team.
>>24627903
if you needed to use a mega to beat certain trainers, like korrina, how the fuck is it cheap? the game was clearly balanced for megas in certain parts, while you're free to go without them in the others.
do you even think before you post?
I don't mind them the lack of an item normally balances them
Keyword is normally I mean mega gengar exists....
>>24627337
>good, roots out retards and hypefags who don't actually care for the series
sucking GF's dick and just buying blindly whatever shit they hand to you does not equal showing "care for the series"
Pokemon was never about suddenly "evolving" mid battle. That was digimon, dbz, metabots, etc's shtick
Pokemon's appeal was the rock paper scissors with 17 types and permanent evolutions. Forme changes are understandable, but megas are simply out of Pokemon's territory for most of its incarnation.
And no. If you're thinking I'm a genwunner, while I did start with Gen 1, my favorite is Gen 5. My top 3 pokemon came from gens 1, 5 and 4 respectively. Ive played all generations and just because I criticize one aspect of the game doesnt mean I dont care for the game. In fact, that's the exact same reason why I criticize the implementation of megas.
>>24627916
not even him but do YOU think before YOU post?
no good game will ever force you into a decision because of arbitrary design, that's a flaw on the developer side
the whole selling point of the leveling system is that if you love squirtle over blastoise, you just grind squirtle more, but it's easier since he's not evolved and therefore gains more exp
if the game is balanced around megas he is forced into a series of choices that are even more narrowed by the fact that some megas are objectively shit, and sometimes worse than their prevos (scizor comes to mind)
do yourself a favor and pull the stick out of your ass just because he pointed out one of the (many) flaws in the pokemon games
and then do everyone else a favor and kill yourself
>>24627906
Well, first of all Mega Beedrill didn't exist at the time, although I still won't use it. Second, why should I have to use Pokemon I don't like just because they're "more powerful" in this new phase?
>>24627916
It's cheap because it basically means you have no choice but to use it, especially when it comes to playing against other people, even friends. I have to coordinate with friends now to find out if they're going to be Mega evolving during a match, otherwise I'm guaranteed to lose, no matter how hard I worked.
>>24627942
I was defending you
>>24627676
>All those abreviations
>>24627944
I meant to quote the guy you were quoting. Sorry man.
>>24627941
This guy's totally right though. I used to have a Bulbasaur that kicked ass all over the place. But against even a Mega Blastoise? Nope. Not possible.
>>24627948
>he's trying to prove he knows what he's talking about
>>24627941
>the whole selling point of the leveling system is that if you love squirtle over blastoise, you just grind squirtle more, but it's easier since he's not evolved and therefore gains more exp
i cannot believe you seriously think the game is balanced around holding your pokemon back, ever. although by that logic, there is always some advantage to using an item over using a hold item over a mega.
also stop acting like people didn't use top tier pokemon before and force you to play around that. you have some inexplicable bias against megas in general, like megas are somehow anti-pokemon. they are integrated into the game just like items, IVs and EVs, and any other meta optimization. there is nothing wrong with a game making you use your fucking resources to win, although pokemon honestly doesn't. if you think beating the story without megas is some achievement you are a tremendous scrub.
>>24627964
>Bulbasaur that kicked ass all over the place.
you would have to be fighting literal retards.
>>24627837
You realize you can choose which turn to mega evolve, right?
>Soul Dew
Am I being trolled?
>>24627942
Its always been like that though, thats a problem with the franchise as a whole not megas, some pokemon suck.
I'd love to use spinda but spinda is a piece of crap and always has been, so I use porygon 2 or z instead
>>24618721
Ive warmed up to the idea but it really grinds my gears on how they executed it--megas for pseudos and furbaits??! Like most of them needed it to begin with? Now of course all the kids will flock to the "super c00l awsum" megas and the spike in popularity is a vicious cycle so much so that I fear whatever next gimmick GF plans next will benefit those chosen few again and everything else will be left in the dust
I know some pokemon will always be outclassed but can they at least try to not make that gap so fucking big?
>>24627976
Toxic, Power Whip, Petal Dance, Synthesis.
He was awesome.
>>24627988
Oh yeah, it's megas that are stopping your stage 1 shitter from doing well. Totally.
>>24627337
>I hope we don't even get new Pokemon in gen 7
Fuck you very much. What's the fucking point of playing pokemon if you will just use the same pokemon over and over
>>24627970
first line i said i wasn't the guy making the mega argument
learn to read
second i never said the game was balanced, let alone balanced around holding pokemon back. i said that megas force you to make arbitrary choices about them that contradict the idea of being a pokemon trainer
great job focusing on a single aspect of the argument because you believe yourself intelligent enough to contribute
>>24627976
not everything is based around competitive min-maxing, in fact, the poster was talking about being forced to mega evolve in-game
good thing i can now definitely confirm that people who shill for mega evolution are devoid of critical thinking. it says a lot about you that you can't recognize objective fact about the game because you're too busy fapping to furry porn about mega lopunny
>>24627970
>they are integrated into the game just like any other meta optimization
Except hold items don't do this.
This is absurd. This thing's stats are higher than most legendaries.
>First season of the Pokemon cartoon
>"It's okay, Bulbasaur, you don't have to evolve!"
>"Pikachu, I know you don't want to use this Thunder stone. We'll prove you can beat Raichu without evolving!"
>current state of affairs
>"YOU HAVE TO EVOLVE TO BE ANY GOOD"
>"DON'T JUST EVOLVE... MEGA EVOLVE!"
>>24628002
>the poster was talking about being forced to mega evolve in-game
oh no, the game makes you mega evolve in the mega tutorial against mega lucario. so fucking restrictive.
again, if you can't beat the actual game without a mega, or put any value on doing so, you are mentally handicapped.
no one forces you to do anything. if you want to win you use strong shit. this has always been the case. what the fuck is the difference if it's using a mega or using some non-mega top tier?
>>24628027
>the argument
>an unimaginably large, theoretically impossible-to-describe distance
>your head
it feels really shitty knowing min-maxing faggots like you miss the spirit of the franchise because you like to turn the game into an autistic, competitive circle-jerk
i bet you love showdown too, huh?
>>24628003
>This thing's stats are higher than most legendaries.
And Tough Claws gives him basically a recoiless, permanent Life Orb, while some legendaries are stuck with lol Pressure.
Gen 6 jumped the shark hard and is ruining the charm of the franchise for me.
>>24628027
>if you want to win you use strong shit
>what's the difference if it's using a mega or some non mega top tier
If that's the case why does any other Pokemon even exist? Why don't we just get rid of all other mons and just leave all the top tier and megas and we can battle with those. Fuck playing the game like it's any fun. Fuck you if you want to use a Stantler, who cares if it's your favorite Pokemon? Your ideals and the parts of the game you think are fun are all completely meaningless without winning.
>>24628036
>spirit of the franchise
do you also complain that you have to fully evolve your mons to compete online? that you can't use your precious middle stage?
it seems like you're the one missing the argument. i'm saying you can do whatever the fuck you want in the story. some dude posted himself beating XY with a fennekin. you don't need megas. but if you want to compete, you use good shit. this how the games have always been.
>>24628042
What the literal fuck are you talking about? Stantler has never been good. You are free to use one, no one is stopping you, just don't complain when you lose against stronger shit.
That's not even a complaint about megas, it's about the game in general. I don't know why you guys act like megas changed anything, rather than just shifting the balance like every other gen does.
My friend uses a Talonflame as his main team leader simply because he loves the Fletchling line.
He ended up making an entire Bird team around it.
I use Bugs. My lead mon is Leavanny.
It seems like I'd lose every time, but we're very evenly matched.
It's shit like that, that makes the game fun. Not minmaxing everything.
>>24628039
I stopped playing competitively because of the ridiculous power creep. It almost puts YuGiOh's to shame.
>>24628051
>this is how the games have always been
someone didn't play gen 1 t-wave wrap wars i see
so we know that you're underage
and lets see
>do you also complain that you have to fully evolve your mons to compete online?
no, because you don't have to. that's the point of a creative item system that is slowly making progression towards balance
and for the final time, i'm not the one saying that i was forced into using megas or that i felt bad not using my "bro". in fact, my favorite pokemon is pinsir, and his mega was my selling point on getting X over Y. but i digress.
please stop replying. anyone with a brain knows that "competitive" pokemon has distorted what it was intended to be and that's why GF has been so reluctant to acknowledge it until recently. you can't even realistically be competitive because as much as you'd like to believe your 6v6 singles mind-game chess-board with pokemon and big dubstep drops is E P I C, rng will always decide the fate of a battle, which is why there's only ~30 good pokemon. half of them are the reponses to the ~15 good ones.
in what reality do you live where this is not the case and also, why does this reality abide by the rules that this is a good system to play in?
>>24628060
I used Stantler as an example, but Pokemon has always been about using your favorites. How many of us had that one mon in your team you only had because you liked it, and not because it was powerful? In first, second, and even third gen, that was totally possible. Not anymore. People took the competition way too seriously, and GF threw Megas in to make it worse.
Eviolite FTW.
I had a Swadloon with one. Swadloon's actually my favorite Pokemon.
Gen 5 was a great time for bugs. Seriously the only good thing about Black and White.
>>24628077
>someone didn't play gen 1 t-wave wrap wars i see
you mean using a top strategy? which is exactly what i said?
>you don't have to
you're fucking delusional. you need to optimize your mons if one of your goals is winning.
your rants are just diverging to complaints about shit that has nothing to do with megas.
>>24628118
you are cancer incarnate. winning is all that matters to you and in all things, winning in a POKEMON battle. it says enough about you at this point that im going to quit replying, you clearly have missed the point and are too stupid to realize it. feel free to try and find someone else to argue with that is either
A) as stupid as you
and
B) as empty as you
so that you can have a nice, quiet, safe echo chamber to validate your feelings of worthless inferiority in
>>24628118
What if the goal is to have fun?
Because, you know...
IT'S A GODDAMN VIDEO GAME
It's not even like you get money or recognition for beating up kids on PSS.
>>24628079
>In first, second, and even third gen, that was totally possible.
nice nostalgia goggles.
the meta has always revolved around top tiers. you just didn't take part in it back then.
>>24627857
>the whole IV system took a lot of the fun out too
Literally in the game since Gen 1.
And I've gotten use out of Megacross. It's good at killing shit with sashes/subs.
>>24628145
>hurhur some pokemon are just better than others
>lol you had fun, what a retard
He's right. It was completely possible to have a very powerful "lesser" mon.
Look at Shuckle.
Now people can't even do Eevee teams.
>>24628138
>winning is all that matters to you
nice strawman.
i like using gimmicky teams and making pokemon i like work, even if they're not optimal. i just appreciate the fact that i'm using a gimped team, and my chances are lower against top tiers.
you keep asserting that you're being "forced" to use megas, but this isn't any fucking different than being "forced" to use optimized fully evolved top tiers. you are only bitching specifically because they are megas, like they are somehow not legitimate pokemon, and that's just your own autistic bias.
>>24628158
if you don't think shuckle is viable anymore you should watch more showderp.
also, eevee teams were shit long before megas. again you people are acting like megas alone are responsible for a power creep that's been progressively happening every gen.
>>24628177
At this point I think the argument is long past megas.
>and every time we say megas i think of this show
>>24628171
>you keep asserting that you're being "forced" to use megas, but this isn't any fucking different than being "forced" to use optimized fully evolved top tiers.
It is in the sense that there's a huge gap of power between megas and regular mons.
We're at a point where lower pokemon aren't niche picks, they're "I want to lose" picks. You'll come out and get killed on the spot before you even have a chance to move and execute your strategy. It's simply not fun.
Neer thought I'd dread seeing Charizard being good.
>>24628272
this exactly. it's not about niche anymore, it's simply too much of a strength disparity and it makes it stupid
be more concerned about primals
>>24628816
There's literally only two of them though.
>>24628816
But they are just megas with another name
>>24628831
Except that they can be used alongside other megas, are as strong as Mega Mewtwo and have better mechanics (automatically transform upon entering the field)
I'm not too concerned with them since I only play lower tiers, but damn I imagine ubers must be hell right now
>>24618721
>>cuts down the number of new pokemon
Gen 6 still
>>players barely use most of them, being post game and limited to 1 per team
>>some megas are objectively better than others, limiting team building for competitive
>>continuously raises the power creep as GF wants to make players use the new ones
[citation needed]
>>divides the playerbase in opinion, or "if my bro doesn't get a mega I'll be skipping next game"
Not GF's fault that Flygonfags are autistic.
>>clutters the bags; next gen we'll be approaching 100 mega stones
1)[citation needing intensifies]
2)If sorting your fucking bag every once in a while is too hard, they can always add another pocket.
>>limits time spent on new features, as megas are considered one of the series "selling points" now
Is that how we got 3d graphics, diagonal movement, PSS, DexNav, soaring, improved Secret Bases, Pokemon Amie, Super training, Soaring, etc?
>inb those don't count
>>strips weak pokemon of any future; they can't evolve anymore and are stuck with a weak mega/useless ability
1) it does not stop evos from being made
2) Mawile, sableye, Khangaskhan, and Beedrill, Charizard all prove you wrong
>>24629111
>players barely use most of them, being post game and limited to 1 per team
>some megas are objectively better than others, limiting team building for competitive
>[citation needed]
>>24628039
>Gen 6 jumped the shark hard and is ruining the charm of the franchise for me.
Pokemon jumped the shark long before gen 6 dearie.
>>24629240
>vgc
>being a good indicator of competitive play when they all copy cookie cutter sets from smogon.
>>24629240
>8 people of of mllions playing one specific format
WOOOOOOOW
>>24618721
Mega Evo made the metagame more complicated making it better autist bait securing gamefreak future sales.
>>24628923
Nah, the thing about Primal Kyogre/Primal Groudon is that they're still slow as balls so they won't be sweeping any time soonbesides doubledance Groudonand they kind of... force each other to switch out a lot. Groudon's definitely the bigger threat but people have tried to adapt with defensive Arceus-Ground, Arceus-Water, Lati@s, etc.
It also helps that you don't see a ton of megas in Ubers.
Salamence, Gengar, Kangaskhan, Sableye, and occasionally Mewtwo are pretty much the only ones around.
>>24629318
Do you even Battle Spot? If you did you wouldn't use such retarded argument.
I'm starting to think pro-mega people don't even play the game.
>>24629307
>vgc
>copy cookie cutter sets from smogon.
Trying too hard.
>>24629431
>vgc
>not using cookie cutter sets from Smogon
>>24629431
>only 12 pokemon in the top 12
Again, WOOOOOOOOOOW.
>cuts down the number of new pokemon
If you don't count them as new Pokemon, probably yes. But are they really all that different from stuff like cross-gen evolutions? It's just a new evolution for a pre-existing Pokemon. Sure, the mechanics behind hthem is different, but that's about it.
>players barely use most of them, being post game and limited to 1 per team
I do agree with this, but that's not entirely limited to Mega Pokemon. There just are Pokemon most people don't like, and as such they get barely any use (Not that it has anything to do with this, but how many people actually used Huntail/Gorebyss without explictly deciding they'd be using one during Gen III? They come in very late game, need an item from an optional area, and you need to trade. They're also not exactly stellar)
>some megas are objectively better than others, limiting team building for competitive
Some Pokemon are objectively better than others, limiting team building for competitive
>continuously raises the power creep as GF wants to make players use the new ones
You mean like normal Pokemon would and have done in the past?
>divides the playerbase in opinion, or "if my bro doesn't get a mega I'll be skipping next game"
Again, not really a Mega exclusive issue. As long as a Pokemon doesn't have 2 evolutions already, they are technically allowed to get a cross-gen evolution. I can see Megas having it worse though, until they stop being the new thing
>>24629557
>clutters the bags; next gen we'll be approaching 100 mega stones
Definitely an issue.
>limits time spent on new features, as megas are considered one of the series "selling points" now
Every generation has new features, some stick, some don't. Obviously, Megas aren't feature that would go away, but they won't be a key point in future generations. There will be much fewer ones. Kind of like cross-gen evolutions.
>strips weak pokemon of any future; they can't evolve anymore and are stuck with a weak mega/useless ability
Not only this also applies to Pokemon with 2 evolutions already, but there's another side to this. Namely, there is no guarantee these Pokemon would get a standard evolution at all. It's better to have a bad Mega evolution than nothing at all, right?
>catering to genwunners can backfire; they're not the kind who'll stick with the series
Again, not a Mega exclusive point. The point rings true though.
