Shouldn't legendaries be banned from OU by default?
>>22873893
No.
>>22873893
Stealth Pony
>>22873893
Yes, but Smogon are too retarded to do so.
Yes. Regis ban when?
Yes, however Smogon is a shitty "fan" community that think they know more about balance than the people who make the games.
>Ban starters
>Don't ban legendaries
They're all 12 year olds.
>Logical post about smogon
Get ready OP, the smogonites will start wailing at you for pointing out the obvious flaw in their meta
>>22873893
What good would Articuno and Regigigas be in Ubers?
>>22874251
>before
>5 replies
>6 posters
>now
>6 replies
>6 posters
nice try OP, but you can't beat my autism
Smogon's gen1/2 banlist is identical with GF's. In Gen 3 when Smogon started for good they tested Celebi and Jirachi and decided they are balanced in OU while Lati@s aren't even without Soul Dew. Shaymin-Land dropped down in Gen 4. Victini, Meloetta, Kyurem and Keldeo followed in Gen 5, though the last one caused a lot of butthurt. Lack of perma-rain allowed Manaphy to be unbanned in Gen 6, while Diancie was allowed from the outset and so will Hoopa and Volcanion.
Banning all GF-illegal legendaries and then bringing them down one by one is a huge time waste at this point, especially from Gen 4 onward with increasing average power of nonlegendary OU Pokemon.
STEALTH
HORSEFUCKER
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>>22874259I'm actually not OP, I'm one of the other shitposters
Honestly what's the point in making Pokémon illegal that are in no way overpowered? Isn't that the point of the Ubers tier to begin with?
>>22874304
>Implying genies don't deserve to be banned
>>22874222
The only banned starter is Blaziken what are you talking about?
>>22874272
I require explanation.
>>22874317
Greninja too dumbo.
I'm in your side but please don't post utter shit.
>>22874272
so now pony fans use code-phases like drug dealers?
>>22874317
>Greninja is not a starter
Typical smogon retard ladies and gentleman. Won't ban legendaries and they don't know Greninja is a start. Proof that they don't actually play the games and are just 12 year olds who want to use ebin legendaries and edgymons
>>22874323
>I'm in your side but please don't post utter shit.
Ah I forgot Grenigger, I don't really play XY/ORAS OU.
But
>don't post utter shit
>Autismus Maximus
I'm of the opinion that all metagames should be 3 types. You have the Legendary tier, the non-legendary tier and the normal tier.
Some people use Smogon as a way to build a team for VGC. The problem is, chances are the 6 perfect IV mons that are shiny are bred that way and if you encounter a legendary you are up against someone who has likely hacked.
Making it so that official tourneys adhere to the non-legendary tier makes it a bit more evenly paced both on cart and off since at least through effort it is possible to breed a hexaperfect shiny mon.
This makes far too much sense and Smogon doesn't like that.
>>22874425
Official Smogon tourneys on cart don't exist so you can use as many legendaries in your team as you want.
Smogon did have a Pre Pokebank OU tier which was pretty fun for a while.
>>22874346
Ponyfag here: No, this is most likely a /v/ fag trying to piss you off. People at /mlp/ don't even know about sneaky horsies.
>>22874272
Self-induced ponyshit.
Fuck off.
>>22874222
You give Gamefreak too much credit, they can't even do stats changes right. Keep in mind Mega Alakazam is missing 10 stats points. Pokemon might not be build around Showdown style play but the fans tune their games to perfection, no need to get mad at communities like Smogon. Gamefreak themselfes need to step it up.
>>22874425
But tons of legendaries aren't even broken.
The thing is that the pokemons who got banned are simply too strong in comparison to other non-banned pokemon. Look at how common the uber pokemon are in vgc (mega kang, mega mawile, the king shield sword thing).
On the other side we have the non-banned legendaries. There are some top tier legends (landorus, thundurus, zapdos, lati@s), but they all have enough flaws to counter them. But banning legends like the regis, virizion, phione and articuno is just stupid
>>22874272
>no mention of numelgon's gender
Of course it isn't.
I see these threads and think of the episode of family guy where Peter gets his wife to beat up new yorkers.
Mets suck,
Yankees suck,
Nicks suck,
Krypton sucks,
Smogon sucks,
Seriously let the little kids use their smogon bs and limit ther gameplay and meta game. They think it balances gameplay and battles when all it does is make battles repetitive and predictable. I say let them keep it up. Battle a smogon user - use whatever you want and then have them bitch about how you didn't follow their limitations.
>>22875292
I bet you're the kid who doesn't like playing vs legendaries.
Being super new to competitive battling all i have to say is users ruined it. I remeber in gen 1 I made a team of what I wanted and had a team of 6 poke's that I liked and battled with them. If type machups where better you would win simple as that's then around gen 4-5 I started getting destroyed by everyone and their mothers no matter what team I was using by the time x/y came out I realized if I wanted a chance I would have to get iv, ev perfect moms and only use a select few or else I would lose every battle so now I'm battering with 6 pokemon 3 of which I hate and 3 of which I am indifferent about just so I can win 50% of the time.
Sure competitive battling and Saigon adds some depth to it instead of legends destroying everything back in the day but if they never dug that deep into the game in the first place we would still see crazy varied teams at VGC and have ridiculously awesome battles and machups instead of the same 6 Pokemon battling the same six Pokemon. Over. And over. And over
>>22875979
Cute.
>>22874222
>someone making a game automatically means that they balanced it the best
>le I didn't know aegislash would use special attacks face
you can stop sucking game freak's cock anytime.
>there are people who think vanilla Kyurem should be banned just because he's a legendary
>there are people who think Victini is good enough to be banned
>>22875979
>instead of the same 6 Pokemon battling the same six Pokemon
Smogon OU viability ranking thread lists about 150 viable Pokemon. Git gud or die trying.
>>22876317
yet every battle has one of the genies.
Reminder VGC has more bans than Smogon
Reminder that Mega-Kangaskhan is objectively stronger and more useful than any of the Regis and a bunch of other legendaries, and has been seen on the plurality of VGC teams, so much for muh diversity
Reminder Verlisify is a proven shit and avocates using sets like Charge Beam Furfrou with no Special Attack investment
Reminder Smogon's rules in no way affect you
>>22874315
>genies
>overpowering
>people actually have this opinion.
>>22874425
VGC has always let you use legendaries. It's only boxmons/eventmons that are banned. Hell, VGC lets you use Pokemon with event-exclusive moves that were released solely in Japan because GF is retarded
>>22876197
>there are people who think Moltres and Articuno should be banned
>there are people who think any of the Regis should be banned, especially Regigigas
>there are people who think Uxie and Mesprit should be banned
>>22875979
>but if they never dug that deep into the game in the first place we would still see crazy varied teams at VGC
Which is fucking false. If people go to a competition they're going to want to win, they're not gonna gimp themselves playing with shitmons because you think it's cute.
>>22874425
Fuck that, they should just fix the game mechanics first. Once it is easier to actually get Legendaries with the stats you want cheating will be reduced significantly.
Hell, make them breedable, I don't care, I just want to use my favorite pokemon without jumping through hoops.
If Legendaries could breed then I wouldn't be against Legendaries.
>>22876484
That's a meme dumbass.
>>22876490
>Reminder VGC has more bans than Smogon
No, it doesn't. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread though.
>>22873893
Regigigas is unusable, even with a trick room.
>>22880562
>Amount of Pokemon with different names in the uber tier: 27
>Amount of Pokemon with different names banned in VGC tournaments: 29
MOLTRES BAN WHEN
>>22880539
Humans > God
Any title given to a pokemon is meaningless when it enters battle. It's not about what they are, in the end its what they are capable of that determines how powerful a pokemon is.
>>22874222
yeah man, i bet you also think masahiro "samus is the best character" sakurai also knows how to balance a game
>>22880629
Most legendaries aren't that good. There's around 35 that are allowed OU, and out of those only a small few are actually viable and even fewer are metagame-defining.
>>22880666
underrated post.
>
Eh. For showdown or whatever, it doesn't matter heaps
But fuck soft-resetting for good legendaries in-game
>>22880736
>2 non legendaries at the top of ubers
>>22874222
Verlisify plz
>>22880736
>S+,S,S-
Just make those A+ and P-Groudon S. inb4 grade inflation brings out SS mons.
>>22880557
>mew
>celebi
>jirachi
>phione
>manaphy
>shaymin-n
>kyurem
>kyurem-b
>keldeo
>meloetta
>victini
>zygarde
>diancie
vs
>Aegislash
>Blaziken/Blaziken-M
>Greninja
>M-Kanga
>M-Mawile
>M-Lucario
>M-Salamence
>M-Gengar
>Swagger
>Moody
>Evasion
>OHKO moves
You could say Baton Pass/Sleep Clause, but then you'd have to include Item Clause/Pentagon Clause from VGC. And remember that Smogdubs which is more comparable to VGC has even fewer bans
>>22880736
Why is Ho-oh so good again?
>>22880875
Stats are perfect for the tier. Brave Bird+Sacred Fire hit everything and have high base power and SF brns half the time. Very few things can switch in.
>>22880875
Good STABs+Earthquake
Sacred Fire is super spammable
Regenerator
Checks Xerneas
Arceus knows Defog so it's not like it's hard to fit in hazard control
>>22880864
>evasion and OHKO only counting as 1
cheeky
you could also count the complex funbro ban, Smogon edges out a little in amount of bans. official rules aren't just VGC doubles either
>>22880864
>mew
>celebi
>jirachi
>phione
>manaphy
>shaymin-n
>kyurem
>kyurem-b
>keldeo
>meloetta
>victini
>zygarde
>diancie
vs
>Aegislash
>Blaziken/Blaziken-M
*2 separate things
>Greninja
>M-Kanga
>M-Mawile
>M-Lucario
>M-Salamence
>M-Gengar
>Swagger
>Moody
>Evasion
*Minimize
*Double Team
>OHKO moves
*Horn Drill
*Sheer Cold
*Guillotine
Why would you only list general terms, instead of which ones are actually banned?
>>22874251
Even Gamefreak allows the trio legendaries, and last I checked, the only cover legendary not banned by Smogon was Kyurem
>>22881437
You know, it's really hard to imagine how hard you have to fuck up to make something like Kyurem-Black tame and comparable to regular pokemon.
>>22880948
>>22880954
Because they're the same thing. Should we also count Moody Bibarel, Moody Bidoof, Moody Octillery, Moody Smeargle, etc... as different bans?
And complex Funbro ban is really just a quirk of Showdown's format not having a match timer. Same reason why VGC doesn't "allow" Pokemon over level 50 because it makes it easier to raise a team on cartridge.
>>22881504
That was Game Freaks fault, it's one STAB away from Uber.
I think if half of the legends...ie all the psychic type ones barring lugia... can get outsped and one-shotted by an unboosted weavile knock off, then that hardly qualifies as OP.
Legend does not equal OP. If that were the case, then someone needs to tell the Lake guardians that they are too hard to handle and need to be banned...(name one good reason why legend equals OP) If you can't handle it, It's not OP. You just suck.
>>22881643
Also, don't confuse me for those smogplebs. I just know from experience that not every legend is OP. Some are. I can admit that. The game is broken, no matter how you look at it. You can either stop playing, play casually, play smogon, or play with the broken pieces. Do what you want, but don't judge others for doing it differently.
>>22881643
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mewtwo: 283-338 (80.1 - 95.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 80 Def Mewtwo: 302-356 (72.5 - 85.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (Note:This is Mewtwo's stall set, special attacker is in fact 0ko'ed but NOT outspeed without a choice scarf)
252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Celebi: 236-282 (58.5 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (Note: Celebi's U-Turn does more or less 50% of Hp)
252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 104+ Def Mew: 246-290 (60.8 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Note: It is unlikely to carry it but Mew's Focus Blast is 0KO, so it is flip coin who wins. I give the edge to Weavile, since mew doesn't really carries Focus miss)
252 Atk Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Deoxys-D: 200-236 (66 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (I gotta admit that is a lot of HP)
There is limit of my autism.
>>22881724
guess I should do my research then...
>>22881724
but does that make them op? barring mewtwo, of course. there's no denying it's too good.
>>22881761
Of the ones I posted? Just Deoxys, it too good at its job. Mew and Celebi are good but OP.
qt Garchomp is unrelated.
>>22881778
Daww.
>>22881778
did you mean to say good but not* OP?
>>22881790
Ah, yes thanks for the correction.
Have a Magical Girl Garchomp as a price.
>>22881804
Kawaii as fuck.
>>22881778
Also, poor celebi dark-roasted bird food left out frozen for the poisonus bugs...ghost...
I don't think it will ever be amazing outside of a few niche sets.
I like to use it as my argument of legendary vs OP/not OP. When has celebi given anybody REAL trouble? How many of you ever got swept or stalled out by a celebi?
>>22881823
poor celebi is*...I hate myself sometimes.
>>22876535
>there are fuckers on here right now that think phione should be b&
>>22881813
No one is as kawaii as Garchomp
>>22881823
>>22881827
According to smogon Celebi was Uber in Gen2 and OU afterwards. On a personal level I agree with you.
>>22881875
That's because psychic was still broken in gen two with no good bug, dark, or ghost moves. you had shadow ball and ....what else? help.
>>22881885
herracross with mega horn...who was weak to psychic.
>>22881823
Celebi is good what the fuck are you talking about.
>>22881902
what is brave bird?...from any of the birds, not talonflame.
>>22881902
u-turn.
>>22881902
x pokemon used flare blitz. Take your pick on which one.
>>22874222
>Yes, however Smogon is a shitty "fan" community that think they know more about balance than the people who make the games
You do realize that dedicated players do as a matter of fact know more about the balance of the games than developers usually do? Have you never played a MMO?
>>22881911
>>22881925
>>22881931
>IT HAS WEAKNESSES HAHA
Fuck off.
Celebi is used as a check to Keldeo that can't be worn down by Scald Burns and can't be pursuit trapped. Additionally it can check Azumarill, Thundurus, Rotom-W, Slowbro, Mega Diance, Mega Lopunny, and more. It can also support teammates with Stealth Rock, Healing Wish and NastyPass (and SDPass), lure Heatran and some other stuff with offensive coverage, and uh some other stuff. It's A ranked and #21 in usage in SPL
Fuck
I personally am not against the smogon format, I'm not against a "no legends" format, I'm not against the official GF format, and I'm not against any alternative form of play.
What I do is simply play with other's the way they want me to play. I will follow their personal guidelines and restrictions as they wish.
What I do is look at the guidelines, of any format, and say "how can I break this shit?"
I bring what I see is fun, or "OP" within the spectrum of the opponents self-imposed limitations.
I can limit myself to play however you want me to, and I am ok with it either way. That's not going to stop me from adapting to your play style beating you with your own meta.
>>22881925
>>22881931
>>22881911
There are faggots shit enough to not use celebi. Top kek.
>>22882019
What I'm trying to say in my oh so humble way is...why can't you? why do you have to be intolerant of alternative or official playstyles?
Why can't you learn to just get out of your comfort zone and fucking adapt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv6A4MMwCaM LORD VERLIS
>>22882030
Autism, plain and simple
Lots of smogonfags are elitist assholes.
Karenfags are butthurt about their favorite mon not being good.
Most important and above al, people as a hole can't tolerate others having fun/playing in the "wrong" way.
Again, at Chomp unrelated.
>>22882067
It's kind of sad isn't it? instead of adapting to the opponent and outskilling them at their own game, people have to cry, wine, and shit all over something that's "different" like a todder that was just told "NO!"
Also, sexy garchomp is sexy.
>>22882077
If you want my honest opion, pick the format you like the most and stick to it. No need to insult others.
Posting pic related because dubs.
>>22882093
The only issue I have with that is when you tell people to stick to something, they comform to it.
If that works for you, that's fine, but then it makes people uneasy and downright spiteful of someone else's meta. "It's different, it's uncomfortable to deal with, therefore it is bad and it's player-base is bad."
Don't conform...adapt. If you can't do that, then you're gonna fall behind.
>>22882114
A massage is nothing lewd. The mods will only come if someone reports it, being late in the night I higly doubt it.
>>22882127
I can see were you are comming from, the thing is, some people like a single format. EX: I myself vastly prefer singles 6v6. I just don't like the other, bear in mind that doesn't makes them bad, just not for me.
>>22882150
You see, I can respect this because you show tolerance. that's All I'm looking for. It's OK to prefer certain things, just don't get mad when something you don't prefer tries to have a good time.
>>22882150
BTW, I think the rule is no genitals or bodily fluids outside of sweat and you're not being overly lewd. I see neither in this picture, so you're good.
>>22882174
Are you sure Anon?
>>22882161
Pokemon is for fun, fun is by nature subjective, the way you enjoy it is the best way. No need to insult others way. That is my motto.
>>22882193
technically, you're still good. It's heavily implied, but nothing is actually happening.
>>22882210
I will push this as far as I can.
>>22882223
Where the fuck do you keep finding these, and why are they all on your hard-drive?
>>22882234
The internet is a scary place anon
>>22882234
Pixiv: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=45334301
(Caution, the artist draws lewds)
Why do think anon? They amuse me greatly.
>>22882257
Still not lewd enough. you're still in the safe zone.
>>22882257
I'm not really up for anything that requires membership.
>>22882301
at least not one that asks for more than a username and password.
>>22882297
A 10 year old might not know why Gabite could be unconfortable with this.
>>22882301
>>22882306
Only for the porn.Not the moonrunes?That is the worst part of Pixiv
>>22881778
>>22881804
>>22881813
>>22881875
>>22882067
>>22882093
>>22882114
>>22882150
>>22882193
>>22882223
>>22882257
Is Garchomp your husbando or something? Are you the same girl that has TTar as her husbando?
>>22882342
>Husbando
The ones I posted are mostly female, check the dorsal fin. Also >>22881813 and >>22882114 is not me.
Anyways, to answer your questions:
Waify actually
No.
>>22882301
>>22882306
>not having a pixiv account already
>>22873926
No its not. There's no bomb ass tea or whatever the fuck the code word was.
Remember when this thread wasn't about lewd garchomps?
>>22880804
Wasn't M-Ray SS for the short while before it was banished to AG?
>>22873893
I thought legendaries were all über, except for Suicune, Regice, etc.. Then I learned about smogon and the origins of those categorizations; and, man, was I disappoint.
>>22873893
because even if articuno is a special snowflake in the lore, it is a special piece of shit in battle
