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3cute edition

>Starter guide
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10886965/smtstarterguide.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/qqxkrWFh

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/fgVp423S

>Misc. Translations
http://pastebin.com/LHKVLNQB

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended Reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

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>>84012105
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1st for Beetlejuice
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YASO MAGATSUHI
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RESET:
SEI
CLC
XCE
CLD

X16
M8

LDX #1FFFH
TXS
STZ NMITIME
LDA #BLANKING
STA INIDSP

BJSR ATLUS
'EL ELOHIM ELOHO ELOHIM SEBADTH'
'ELION EIECH ADIER EIECH ADONAI'
'JAH SADAI TETRAGRAMMATON SADAI'
'AGIOS O THEOS ISHIROS ATHANATOS'
'AGLA AMEN'

真・女神転生
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>>84170208
You can fuse any of the Fiends you've beaten.

Chemtrail drops 60 App Points

Matador drops an earring that's probably best in slot for everyone

White Rider drops an earring that gives you Victory Cry without using a skill slot

Red Rider drops a Soma and 10 of every Incense (effectively +30 to all stats)

Black Rider drops 300k Macca and 3 Gold Death Masks for 30k more

Pale Rider drops 3 Heavy Grimoire's (three free levels)

Trumpeter drops an earring with Enduring Soul and Repel Phys

Shiva is the last Terminal boss but IIRC you can fuse him before that. Seth can be fought in both Osiris quests. I don't think Vishnu is a boss.
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I want to fuck Mirai
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I HATE GRINDING
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How about waiting for page 10, fuckface?
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>Chaos Tack
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What happened to that other anon learning 魔法の言語?
Are you still on it? I wish there were more people on here autistic enough to learn it. Don't you want knowledge and wisdom?
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reminder that all atlus stuff is on sale for psn/3ds
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>>84170704
so is that nonsense up top assembly?
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>>84172523
go play a real shin megumi tensay game you faggot
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>>84170874
Jesus christ that's some insane loot.
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>>84171973
a lot of people here are learning it, you have to be more specific
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>>84171973
I don't even know how to go about learning a new language.
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>>84170698
Y-YASO MAGATSUHI
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>>84170546
Who's this cutie patootie in the op images?
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>>84172609
Yeah. Matador is probably the best Fiend, at least to start with. Capote Earring gives you:

>+172 MP (most in game, tied with other Fiend earrings)
>Repel Gun
>Null Light
>Null Dark
>Passive Draconic Reaction (Double auto Sukukaja on yourself at the start of every fight; this isn't a buff, so it stacks with Sukukaja and its ilk)

To top it off, in order to fuse Trumpeter you need all four Riders. To fuse Pale Rider you need Black Rider. To fuse Black Rider you need Red Rider. To fuse Red Rider you need White Rider. To fuse White Rider you need Matador. You're probably thinking "Oh, so I need Chemtrail to fuse Matador?", and you're thinking wrong, because all you need is Qing Niugai, Stonka, Catoblepas, and Macabre to get sexy spanish skeleton man.
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>>84170874
Holy shit, now I have the motivation to find and kill them.

I'm at level 85 with a Luck/Magic build, equipped with the whole Demonica suit. Is this good?
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Dang. Unlike Zelenin Jimenez is actually STRONG. I need both new armor and a party similar to Jack's.
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DDS2

Why is Shiva starting out with Psycho Rage in the first turn?

Am i not allowed to buff/debuff?
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>>84173663
You should have gone with chaos
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>>84173663
Rangda is your friend

I believe there's another demon that reflects or nulls gun around that level, but if not, it's a very good time to use your forma
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>>84173453
Depends on the demons you have with you, but 85 is definitely doable. You need to groom your demons for each specific fight, and know if buffs will or won't work on that fight. Hint: Matador gets Dekunda and Dekaja, and uses Sukukaja, Taunt, and Antichthon. Silent Prayer is good here, Debilitate and Luster Candy not so much. At least he's weak to Electric so you have something to hit for press turns; unfortunately he also has 16k HP.

Good luck man, and remember: if it's your first time finding them and you die, you need to get sent back by Charon or you'll have to hope RNG lets you find them again. After you pay Charon the first time you can save and repeatedly fight, reloading the save if you lose, without them disappearing - but they still disappear if you leave the area IIRC.
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>>84173702

not to the max. Only +2/-2 for buffs/debuffs
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>>84173762
Odin has Gun Reflect. I'm also trying to keep an all neutral party so Rangda will stay out unless I'm REALLY having a tough time.
But I'm wishing I wasn't keeping that rule. She's too convenient since she already comes with Debilitate...
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>>84174052
So basically, if you fuck up and pay Charon the play coins/macca, it would spawn you back to the exact area, with 100% activation?
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>>84173663
you might also want to get a new gun

Meteor Dragoon is the difference between carrying your team and becoming a vending machine late game
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>>84174343
Yes, but it's only necessary the first time. Save immediately after you respawn and you can re-fight to your heart's content.
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>>84173663
Alice reflects gun, she'll carry you through the fight.
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>>84173249
Maya from P2
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Does anyone know the title of the song that plays during Matador's appearance?
It's not the usual boss appearance song. It's way better. I've been going through the nocturne OST but haven't come across it.
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>>84174554
Alright, thanks!

I'm guessing there's no way to tone down the 1/256 rate to something lower?
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>>84174650
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7KSHyF_X2M

sure it isn't this?

i don't remember a particular song for matador
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>>84174650
In Nocturne? The song is TALK
Check the maniax soundtrack since it isn't in the original one
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>>84174650
TALK.
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>>84174761
>>84174790
>>84174806
thank, fellers. I wouldn't have found it if not for youuuu
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>>84174693
Nope. Somebody on Gamefaqs actually did the fucking math on the most efficient way to shave seconds off this process, but I just did it absentmindedly while watching the P4 Endurance Run until I heard Burrough's voice.
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>>84174693
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>>84170698
YASO MAGATSUHI
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>>84170698

HELLO MY BABY HELLO MY HONEY HELLO MY RAGTIME GAL
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>>84173702
>>84174073
>Third Eye
Fuck my life.

>>84174631
>CHAOS TAAAAAAACK!
>...
>...
>...
>Mister, he died for me when I didn't want him to. He's such a nice man. Why are you fighting him?

>>84174970
Burroughs sexiest voice ever.
Sorry Isabeau ;_;

>>84174346
>implying the last hope of all mankind is a vending machine
But yeah, he sorta is until he gits gud gear. I'm still at Eridanus (Ouroboros 2nd Form), haven't played for a while. Whenever I should be playing SJ on my laptop, I play Space Station 13.
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>>84174346
I'm looking up how to get it since none of the entries I have seem to be particulary powerful.
On the other hand it was Odin who carried the fight. Kind of a waste of XP since my other two demons bit it to the Almighty attack, but oh well.
Goodbye, Jimenez. You were the best bro and the ending I would have chosen if I wasn't tied to a self imposed arbitrary order.
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>>84175942
Best chaos bro.
But you gotta admit, his battle theme is the best in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_D_DQ1_WJM
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I want to fuck Mirai
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>>84176886
You again?
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How good is Persona 2?
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>>84177621
He wants attention

Just ignore.
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>>84177941
Dungeons, graphics and battles are horrible
Everything else is good.
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>>84170546
>edition

This is not the smtg that i know.
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>>84178097
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate Mirai anon.
He's one of the constants in the threads, and I like him for it.

I just wanted to use that kickass Maya pic.
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>>84178480
Change this rotten general.
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ONE WEEK UNTIL SMT IV EU.
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>>84178545
i will make it more rotten.
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>>84177941
My personal favorite Persona. The story and characters are great, but the gameplay can be boring. The dungeons are better than P3/P4, but not as good as P1.

I would recommend playing P1 before P2 because of recurring characters, but be sure to play the PSP version and not the PS1 version.
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>>84178904
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>>84179007
>p1
>good dungeons

wat
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>>84178740
prepare for disappointment
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>>84178904
>You will never have a trap Nourisher
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>>84179095
They're the best out of the Persona games, easily.
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>>84179194
That isn't saying much.
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>>84177941
Well, what have you played so far, if any?
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>>84179132
Good, I like my neurishers with no penis.
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>>84179403
Are you saying that isn't a secondary Magnetite straw?
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>this is /smtg/
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>>84178509
r/maya dressed as maya and maya dressed as maya
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>>84179545
There's three
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>>84179545
Link to that Alice doujin pls
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Is P4 worth 8 dollars? Only other Persona game I've played was P3P which was pretty meh. Whereas I've played and loved the entire mainline SMT games.
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>>84180008

If you didn't like P3P, P4 probably won't do much to change your mind
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>>84180008
It's 8 dollars, get it, play through Shadow Kanji, if it's not clicking by then it's not going to.

Also the pacing is slow as molasses so be ready for that.
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>>84180008
No.
Give that 8 dollars.
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>>84180130
>>84180240
>Raidou games are 5 bucks each
How did I miss that. I'll be playing those first.
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>>84180008
Do you know who the killer is?
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>>84180484
You're gonna love those.
Honestly if you can take a break from Raidou after you play 2 it would be really good for your enjoyment of the game.

Raidou 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raidou 1.
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Someone has a good Lilim or Moh Shuvuu password with Jihad, victory cry, salvation and energy drain?
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>>84180528
Yes, thanks to cultural diffusion.
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>randomly run into Trumpeter in an Enemy Search
First time I used the retreat command.
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>>84180846
>Wants an overpowered waifu demon
>Doesn't even have the balls to make it himself
You disgust me
http://www.mediafire.com/download/bja0b1xc3of3451/PasswordGeneratorAnalyzer04.zip
Might as well generate your own password if you're sinking this low.
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>>84180846
3$qA4QqjzG5D4GqD

3GoEVGsi4HKD3$rD
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i hate this cunt

will she die
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Threadly reminder, /smtg/ is a Pro-Burroughs club. You wouldn't want to post bad things about Burroughs here. Just imagine how much of a goofball you would look like for posting negative things about Burroughs in an Pro-Burroughs general such as this one.
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>>84181613
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>>84181175
That's good too.
>>84181374
Oy vey
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>>84181613
b-b-but
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>>84181613
we need burroughs rule 34
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>>84182116
google robin banks
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>enter underground with party out of mp
>open the door
>get on the floor
>everybody die to the minotaur

recommended levels/creatures to defeat it? team is 11/12 now
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>>84182701
Anything with Bufu helps, as well as having Jonathan in your party, but that's up to luck.

It's pretty much going to be this way until you get past Medusa, which isn't too far off.
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>>84181175
Must be doing something wrong because it is not working, oh well.
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>>84182701
>with party out of MP

that's probably the problem right there

fuse a spriggan with media and bufu, get dekunda to beat his war cry and debuff the shit out of him until he stops doing damage
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>>84182864
I can't believe someone really made this comic. I can't believe someone seriously had this experience. I can't believe someone thought it'd be a better idea to run than to get better demons and skills on their MC. I can't believe I share this general with so many pokemon faggots now.
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>>84183018
funny thing, I was trying to make a spriggan before I even knew what was behind the door, but there was a fusion error and I got an Ubu instead

and I can still use it even though it's ten levels above my player character, which is odd
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>>84182608
oh, it's a trap

any other suggestions that actually involve tits
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>>84182701
Number one rule when fighting bosses is to buff and debuff as much as you can. Try again with the 'kunda/kaja skills instead of relying on smirking.
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>>84183150
though I didn't expect to survive much without MP, I just didn't want to hike all the way back to the surface
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>>84181587
>Not falling for best girl
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>>84183150
>>84183269
have the ubu keep spamming toxic sting and tetanus cut until one or the other status sticks, it'll prevent minotaur from smirking

get bufu on yourself and on spriggan and you can get six to eight press turns a round
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>>84181587
>Wanting zelenin dead
>not wanting to hug her
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>>84183454
Can I have both?
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>>84183369
sweet. I'm pretty well set on the MC, have bufu +2 already

if one character demon whispers with you and you fuse them, the new creature should be able to demon whisper again, right? I have a Mothman which should add a level to bufu and maragi when that happens
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>>84183629
If you want to fuck a dead person, you should just read Kanon
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>>84183629
I bet you're a neuter
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>>84183714
Yes. This is how I got +8 Trisagion and Deadly Wind - I put them both on a Fuxi, registered it in the book, fought a guy and it instantly whispered both to me. Deleted him from my stock, resummoned him from book for a few Macca, repeat.
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>>84183306
That's what happened on my first playthrough.
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>>84183060
I can't believe it's not butter!
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>>84184017
No, I want to hug her first.
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>>84183454
I wanted to hug her but then she went full Law bitch.
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Hey, since SMTIV is coming out in a week, would anyone be interested in a spreadsheet of every demon with their level, their base stats, and all their weaknesses and resistances?

I found one online but it's not sortable, so I'm working on making it sortable.
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>>84185646
no
fuck yurop
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>>84183306
I want to massage her feet.
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>>84185727
well whatever

it's here if you want it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JYj69oT-Lnio6JXJRPgYtmZeZ-5Pws7xq2Wi16sLyjQ/edit?usp=sharing
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How near am I to the final boss when I'm fighting Kadokura? What level should I be here?

Any tips? This is the hardest boss so far probably, game has been a cakewalk so far.
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>>84187296
This shall be useful for the future.

Thanks, Anon.
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>>84188058
Kadokura leads right into final boss.
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>>84188479
Any tips for a complete party make-up?

All I have is a Thor and an incredibly week Zeed that gets targeted and one-shotted.
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http://bmky.net/data/m2/data/scenario/

>The entire story of Spiral Nemesis in Moon
>Lucifer, Satan, Michael, and Beelzebub bosses on all routes
>Vile/Soshin Bosses on Dark-Law/Chaos
>Seraph/Tyrant/Fallen Bosses on Light-Law/Chaos and Neutral
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SHIVA HAS BEEN DEFEATED!

HOLY SHIT WHAT IS THIS FEELING
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>>84195634
Chaos wins again
except when it comes to design
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So I started DDS earlier - my first SMT game based on recommendations here and elsewhere - fun so far but I have absolutely no idea what to do with my mantras now that I've unlocked the ability to level them. I've been told its good to focus on the elemental tree opposite the demon's innate element, like go fire for Seph, but how far should I take it and should I make it my priority? Also should everyone have hunt abilities or what? Any general tips would be appreciated. I'm going wjth a magic heavy build for Serph at each level up I've already decided.

I almost wonder if Persona 3 or Nocturne wouldn't be better starts. They seem a little less intimidating.
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>>84196008
P4 is easiest start, but VN gameplay isn't for everyone

I'd honestly recommend SMTIV, it's the gentlest introduction into mainline by only raping you for the first two dungeons (Upper and Lower Naraku)
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>>84196008
Be sure each character has "Void [skill that they're weak against]". You can build up to higher skills later on, where eventually they can get a resist that is always active, but you won't need that for a long time.
I got by with only devour, but it does help significantly to get stronger hunt skills.
Build each character to how their stats are geared (build Serph however you want, gear Heat towards physical attacks, build argilla towards magic)
Also get boost skills and debuff skills (debuffs are in the expel mantras, I think boosts are their own)
Magic on Serph is fine, that's what I went with.
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>>84196218
Do people really think Minotaur and Medusa are hard?
All you have to do is fuse a few special demons for them.

>oh wait that's every smt
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>>84196535
play kmt1 and get on my level
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>>84181978
i like that, for whatever reason, i'm not the only one
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>>84196535
Even if you're good at SMT Minotaur is still pretty luck based at the level he's typically fought at.
Just he doesn't crit+smirk and hope you don't get Walter
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>>84196008
I'd say give everyone a hunt ability. Ideally ever enemy in a random encounter should be killed by a hunt ability, you unlock mantras faster that way. Also hunt abilities deal almighty damage, basically non-elemental meaning it's almost guaranteed to deal damage if nothing else on that character's current movelist is working.

Also, like all MegaTen games, using buffs and debuffs are just as important as hitting enemy's weakness.
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>>84182701
BUFF
DEBUFF
BUFU

真 - 女神転生
SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI
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>>84196535
The difference with Minotaur is that at those low levels you have very few options. MC can't get Phys resist armor, and you only have two demons available who resist Phys (one of whom is level 1), and you have no way of Nulling Phys to steal press turns. You lack any form of MP recovery and you fight him after the 5th floor of Naraku, you don't have Concentrate or any buffs or debuffs that apply more than one buff or debuff at a time (whereas Minotaur gets War Cry), and you can get Walter for your partner which basically resigns you to taking a Smirked Labrys Strike.

Compare this to, say, King Kenji, who is a hard bossfight but you can get Fire, Dark, and Physical Null on your demons to steal press turns; you can give MC accessories to make Ancient Curse suck less or have methods of dealing with it like Amrita. Unless Kenji decides to spam Megidola, nothing about the fight feels unreasonable. Fighting Minotaur with Walter at a time when your demon and skill pool resembles the shallow end of a rain puddle can feel unreasonable.
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>>84196535
this asshole literally soloed medusa for me

the AI in 4 can be very very dumb when it wants to be
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What's the comfiest SMT game, and what's the comfiest SMT location?
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>>84197606
This. Beelzebub was a breeze for me because he kept deciding to normal attack my Rangda.
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>>84196860
>Most unlucky for you!
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>>84197747
>Merkabah normal attacking my Shiva even though it could use a lot more effective moves
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>>84196397
>>84197143
Thanks guys, I'll definitely keep all that in mind. I already figured I'd be giving Heat physical stuff and the other two more magical stuff, but I'll probably spread some hunt skills out among them.

>>84196218
Yeah the school setting and VN stuff I'm not sure if I'll really be able to get into, but we'll see whenever I get around to those. I might pick up Soul Hackers or SMT4 since they're on sale on the eshop for pretty cheap at the moment as well.
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>>84198779
Definitely pick up SMT4
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>>84198460
The final bosses were a bit disappointing even without them going full retard at times.
But I suppose that's what the Fiends were there for.
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>>84198460
To be fair, if Merkabah had half decent AI he'd just spam Hexagram until you ran out of demons.
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Quick, possibly stupid question. Just started up the first Raidou game and I'm in town for the first time. Do demons eat up Magnetite just by being around, or is it only consumed when you summon them?
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>>84198989
A friend just pointed out to me that Amazon has physical copies for $20, so I'll definitely be ordering it this weekend.
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>>84172435
whats on sale anon?
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>>84200140
their entire catalog iirc
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>>84200196
so I can get dds1,2 raidou 1 and 2 and whatever else they have for less that $20?
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>>84200196
Not really

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/10/21/playstation-store-update-365/
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>>84200140
I posted them all last thread, and didn't want to post them again not at top of thread :(
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So are the demons still in tokyo once masakado lifts the ceiling? And does masakado stay in that spot?
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>>84201521
yes. no.
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time moved faster in Mikado than in Tokyo, but which was synced with the rest of the Earth and which was distorted?
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>>84201485
>emoticon
Stop, filth. I will not allow you take even a single step into the Eastern Kingdom of /smtg/. Prepare to be purged in the name of the Lord.
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>3k +8 bufudyne

top kek
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How do you think the rest of the other countries thought when they saw Tokyo covered in bedrock, with a kingdom on top on it?
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>>84201887
>smtg is law
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>>84201858
mikado was the synced one. It would've taken a lot more than 25 years for everything that got nuked by God to regrow.

>>84202043
Other countries didn't exist, they got nuked
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>>84202185
Wait, what?
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>>84202250
MIKADO WAS THE SYNCED ONE. IT WOULD'VE TAKEN A LOT MORE THAN 25 YEARS FOR EVERYTHING THAT GOT NUKED BY GOD TO REGROW.

OTHER COUNTRIES DIDN'T EXIST, THEY GOT NUKED
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>>84202439
Don't you take that tone with me, sonny.
Now, offer me... Life Stone.
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>>84202250
Time in Tokyo moved slower than not just Mikado, but the whole world. The whole world which had been scorched by god.
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>>84202439
>>84202527
No, I meant what the fuck is this about nukes?
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>>84202524
>Cheat
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>>84202638
not actual nukes this time. God just cast megidoliodyne on everything other than Mikado until every other civilization was extinct.
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>>84202836
What a fucking faggot, I hope God gets ebola.
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>>84202638

The whole world, save Tokyo, got BTFO by God's Wrath, which is mikado-talk for nukes. The Archangels, before the shit hit the fan, gathered up some people from tokyo and fucked off to the ceiling to make Mikado.
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>>84202638
god nuked everything, that's why masakado became the firmament, to prevent the nukes

blasted tokyo is what happens when the nukes land
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>>84202892
YHVH is a sore loser, news at 11.
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Any art of Isabeau in casual clothing?
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>>84172895
ask 4chan like with any other major life decision
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>You can't teach flynn invitation

aw come on
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>>84201887
fuck you then, im glad i didnt help

i hope you have euro luck
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>>84196840
kmt is for turbo nerds
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>>84200196
for yurope too?
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>>84201485
would you mind posting them anon?
Im sorry for the other anons behavior
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>>84178480

Then please leave.
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>>84204591
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/20/shin-megami-tensei-iv-3ds-games-discount-sale/
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/10/21/playstation-store-update-365/ (I think they're all under Weekly Deals)
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/10/21/sale-of-the-dead-daylight-outlast-and-more-on-sale/ (Catherine and idk maybe other shit I don't recognize)
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>>84205251
I might pick up eternal punishment, everything else I already own;_;
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Have you ever used an Incense on a demon?
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>tfw you beat merkabah in six turns with concentrate, debilitate and +8 trisagion without losing a single demon

bruh, where was the hexagram
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>>84206532
Why bother, when you can just use mitama?

The only time I can think of is when the incense is for a stat MC has already maxed out
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>>84174052
>but they still disappear if you leave the area IIRC.
They don't.
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>>84170902
>>84176886
Why?
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>>84206550
I don't think anyone had trouble with Merkabah.
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How terrible of an idea would it be to get into the franchise with SMT1 or even Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei?
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>>84207725
once you get past the awful menus of SMT1 it's not a bad place to start and it will really make you appreciate how much of a step up 2 was
never played kmt so I can't comment on that one
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>>84207725
Why is Mara so feminine?
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>>84208105
She was a beautiful goddess before becoming a futanari.
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>>84208956
Before becoming a penis, you mean. She's not a girl with a penis, she IS a penis.
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How do Law/Neutral/Chaos folk view their demonic comrades?
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>>84209341

And she got a sex change between II and SJ apparently. But how do you give a penis a sex change while it remains a penis? Such are the types of mysteries we may never solve.
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>>84209419
Law and Neutral people see them as tools.
Chaotic people want to fuck them.
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>>84209419
I call them angels because they are divine and benevolent
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>>84209535
>Chaotic people want to fuck them.
Speak for yourself.
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How do I know using Heretic Mansion which skills I can inherit from the fodder that is used when looking at a reverse fusion?

All I can see are the learned spells.
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>>84209419

Chaos: Top demons are nietzschean ubermensch that you "worship" in the form of looking up to and striving to be like. Very anti essentialist in that demons and humans aren't treated much differently. They should live together since anyone should just do anything. Thus low level ones are treated like your comrades. You worship high level ones together, while seeking to emulate them, and hopefully eventually become ubermensch yourselves.

Neutral: deistically. Neutral for the most part wants demons and humans to live separately. They accept that humans can draw inspiration from them from a difference, but want the relations to for the most part end there. Sometimes they vaguely have relations with a few demons who they respect more than others since those are the ones who keep away the ones who want to disrupt the separation of the human and demon worlds. Some neutrals might worship some demons. Some not.

Law: as "technical" equals, since the great will is seen as so great that everyone else should have a sense of humility in relation to it. "good" law demons are messengers who carry the divine light to humans, and may even represent it, but are not necessarily to be worshiped themselves separately from it. There are however some law "gods" who are payed respect individually from the great will, but this may be more akin to things like catholic saint veneration. law demons may help transform the world, but won't necessarily always live with humans.
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how dated/painful are the Raidou games compared to shit like P1/2?
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>>84210343
Why the fuck is Night neuter?
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>>84210793

Also, why are most neutral demons crowding toward the light area.
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>>84209431
She was mentioned to be a Goddess in King Abaddon, and that takes place before SMTI-II.

>>84209341
She is a dickgirl. Just as Arioch is a vaginaboy.
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>>84210793
It's also Dark-Law in Majin Tensei II. You even fight Lilith in Eden as one of Satan's soldiers.

Reasons.
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>>84211094

Technically that kind of makes sense. "satan" in the sense of the law aligned one refers to samael. Which samael has hordes of interpretations of him obviously. Samael is also known as being teh consort of lilith. Lilith in older games appears holding a snake. That snake is samael, which is technically the same demon as satan. Making him appear as part of three different demons technically.

Mind you, the stories about "angel of judgement" satan usually aren't the same ones as "consert of lilith" satan, however. Since lilith was pretty much always seen as evil.
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>>84210883
Is the y axis here a measurement for light-dark?
Imagine a shit. They could've taken Snake instead.
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>>84211293
Mara also shows up in Eden as one of his footsoldiers, alongside many, many Divine demons.

I seriously lost count of how many Divine Forces kept showing up. Good way to get Incense and Jewels though.
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>>84210652
Not very, considering we're comparing PS1 to PS2 games.
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>>84211649

Depending on your point of view, that one could ALSO be spun as making sense in an indirect way. Buddhism for some reason sways towards chaos in representation in the games. This is in part since law represents its spirituality as "complying with the universal order" and chaos represents its spirituality often as "breaking free from the detrimental samsara / demiurge / detrimental order / etc."

In Buddhism, you're trying to break free from samsara. Mara is trying to keep you bound to it. So you could arguably spin that as a form of evil law? Obviously in actual buddhism, samsara is seen as more chaotic, and your extinguishing could be said to be law. But either way.

It is kind of odd that both the "good" and "bad" buddhist things get shunted towards chaos.
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>>84212078
How about this.

Viles are the bosses on the Dark-Law route of Amnesia, and the Hallels(Seraphs) are the bosses on the Light-Law route of Amnesia.
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>>84207725
I pretty much did with SMT1.
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I want sword fusions to make a return
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>>84212834

I want you to make a re-exit.
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>>84210343
Chaos seems like the best attitude
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>>84210235
so I can't?
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I've beat all the PS2 games and ready for Strange Journey. I've started it up but am getting this weird audio glitch, keeps cutting in and out. Anyone got some settings I could try for emulation. Using DeSmuME

Also the text is really tiny and mashed together, is that how it was on the DS? Should I just buy this?
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>>84213509

Isn't strange journey the game which deliberately erases your save if it thinks you're emulating it?
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>>84213591

Fuck, is it? I just started... maybe I should buy it?
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>>84213767

I don't know. I thought I heard that, but you should ask someone else. I could be wrong.
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>>84213829

Is this the new icon of chaos?

>is always naked like lucy.
>lucifer is revealed in IV to have been a potato all along.
>Wears fedora for rejection of gOD, and support of libertarianism.
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>>84213954
Don't even start trying.
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>>84213509
Go to sound settings
Synchronization mode: synchronous
Sync method: Z
Sound Core: Xaudio 2
Interpolation: cousine
Advanced SPU logic: check.
>Also the text is really tiny and mashed together
Enable txt hack in 3d settings.
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>>84214053

Will do! Admittedly I don't emulate very often, I like owning copies so this is all new to me.

Thanks, man.
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>Mem Aleph
Just the elemental spells are wrecking me. And this is only the first phase? Fuck.
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>>84214360

To be fair, the second phase isn't really much harder. It has for the most part the same moves, but marginally higher stats.
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played a lot of persona so i thought i'd pick up an SMT game, chose nocturne

shit is weird man

spent two fucking hours trying to get out of the amala network fucking kill me
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>>84217812
yeah nocturne requires you to have an IQ above 80 unlike persona
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>>84210652
combat's fun in the second
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>>84217812
you'll pick it up, the game forces you to git gud quickly
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>>84217862
Being able to use capital letters and interpunctuation requires the same but unfortunately a lot of people here seem to lack it.
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Went shopping today...
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>>84225587
solid finds, anon
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>>84225587
Im jealous

how much did it cost you?
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>>84225747
Less than 4500 yens. If manual is a bit used, and DS too, everything else looks good.
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>>84225587
I want to know what the Majin Tensei manga is like.

I recall that one doujin that looks like it is base don it.

Etienne is Uriel

Ikki Minami is Zouchouten

Lucifer is the Dark Knight

YHVH is a dick.
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>>84225587
Did you literally go shopping today or did you order them online? Where did you get them goods?
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>>84226057
nice anon! Im happy for you
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>>84226494
I'm on holiday in Japan, leave soon, brought to much yens. Took me an hour in akihabara to find all that, made several stores.
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>>84226940
I feared as much. It seems I have to go there too some time.
How was it?
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>>84226940
was there a lot of the stuff there?
This shit makes me want to go to the moon
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>>84225587
I was feeling pretty good about picking up all the PS2 SMTs except Raidou for a good price today and then you had to go and post
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Any mandatory skills for Nocturne Hard mode?
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I heard that Nocturne was on sale on PSN. Is it true? I looked it up and it said it wasn't. Is it only in one particular region or have I been had?
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>>84229308
I think it's only Raidou in America
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>>84196008
One playthrough I pumped Serph's STR with all three points every level-up and just used hunting skills+the one passive that shares atma with everyone for my hunting needs.
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> Catoblepas used Psycho Rage
> Catoblepas used Stone Gaze on the same character over and over until it hits

fuck that, he gets a guaranteed kill every turn, what do? I don't want to grind resist death on every character for one midboss
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>>84230794
have someone with a death shield?
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So am I right in thinking that you can use demon eugenics to get your demons to resist certain attacks or is it just down to the particular demon
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>>84230954
he uses it on one character, loses a turn, then uses it on the same character over and over until it hits
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>>84231036
down to the particular demon, albeit you can have null X as a skill and eugenics it down
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I saw Devil Survivor 2 at Gaystop the other day for about 17 dollars, is it worth it?
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>>84227838
>>84228035
Sorry, went out for dinner.

Already been a few times to Akiba, so I know the place a bit. Still, so much shops, each selling so much things, it's not easy to know where to go for retro games.Looked online before, found a site with pictures of front and a map.

Also, because I don't speak nor read jap, I downloaded the covers of the games I was looking for, to look for them or show them to the staff if needed.

There was a lot of games, completes rarer than cartridge only, but still plenty of them. Could have bought all ff pre-7 or DQ for example,boxed and all...

>>84228239

Sorry anon...
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>>84231623
>Dinner at 6:30 in the morning
what
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>>84225587
>30€ for all that
My envy grows. I want to buy copies of SMT1, SMT2, if... and KMT someday, preferably all new with impeccable boxes, so I can digitalize them.
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>>84231685
It's 11pm in Japan.
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>>84232108
Oh, you're still in Japan? Thought you left.
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>>84231685
So much timezones, friend.

>>84231910
Don't know of much a new game would cost. Those are used, but japs seems to really take care of their goods (unlike me when I was a child, so much wrecked SNES game boxes...)
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>>84232220
he said he bought the games today m8

>>84225587
damn the super famicom boxes are gorgeous, they blow the SNES ones out of the water
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>>84232220
I'm not him, but from his posts it seems he's still in Japan.

>>84232239
Used or new, I don't really care. I am not even interested in the cartridges, I just want digitalized versions of the boxes.
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Also bought one of those full guide for Lucifer's Call(...) with maps, character descriptions, full compendium with stats,etc. for 300 yens. Used but great condition. Second hand stores are really cool here.
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>>84231582
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