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>>148717946
no, the 4 lord souls were necessary to make the lordvessel open the kiln, it had nothing to do with making you (the character) stronger
the assumption was, if you're strong enough to collect all the lord souls, you're strong enough to link the flame
in DS2 however, you could either collect the boss souls or get up to a soul memory value of 1m in NG (something like that), so it was explicitly intended as a "character strength gate"
POISE>
>got bunned a month after pc release cause I CE'd in shit for new builds
>drop ds3 sometime after because the pvp was shitty with the lack of poise or build variety in invasions
>plus my internet was awful
>accidentally launch ds3 from steam
>load up to main menu
>no penalized message
could it be?
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/57249
How can I improve this? other weapons in main hand are just for when i want to change it up, not all at once
>>148717914
and yeah, if memory serves, they're resistant to magic
>>148718197
They will fix it, right?
>Tomb of the Giants
>Get curbstomped by two giant skeletons before I can reach the bonfire
I have a bad feeling about this
>>148718215
you were warned not banned
the ban message is the penalization
if you gave yourself something like the dummied hornet ring or similar and got the unable to pick up save file image you are going to get warned again unless you revert / delete your save file
it will always remain as a ban flag
>>148718558
nah i got the caution message
then the "you have been penalized" message later on
come back and it isn't there anymore.
hold me. at least i'm sure i can do it now. maybe it'll take weeks, but i'll kill him like that one day
>play through DS3 for the first time
>love the High Wall level
>play through it the third time
>get aggravated by the linearity of the game
I love the High Wall's design but imo the best part of DS3 is Road of Sacrifices when the game actually opens up. If the devs weren't such nofunallowed kikes about the ToD skip, we could progress in 3 directions after Road of Sacrifices.
If the DLC won't open up the game significantly or add some inherent replay value like Chalice dungeons, I'm gonna scream.
Linking from old thread >>148718886
>>148718256
I just managed it after cheating in no fall damage. Also to note was the boss fight (health bar, music) started immediately after landing, and I got the humanity and soul immediately after getting the final hit in - before even the cutscene. Weird, but it's ok now.
Nevermind
>Kaathe gets mad at me after I place the lordvessel
The fuck? I guess I can just use cheatengine to make myself a darkwraith but I have no clue why this is happening.
>>148718945
You need to get the Pendant from Duke's anyway so you'll need to get the Lordvessel even if you're going to gun it.
Does anyone have an extra Witch's Locks they don't need? I'd like to experiment with an early build that requires it but the Archives are pretty far off yet.
>>148718945
You can't enter Oolacile until you kill Ornstein & Smough so it doesn't matter if you're trying to do anything related to him early game
>>148718945
You'll need to get the lord vessel and kill the golem in the Archives for the pendant
>>148718939
Theoretically you could also open a path to Lothric castle early on but beating Dancer on low level characters is hell.
Tell me all the H-frames.
>>148719240
Yeah, you can't even hypermode.
>>148719095
>>148719134
>>148719136
>>148718998
Damn, forgot about that. I'll see how I go then.
I hate the rock lizards so much, being able to kick them down the cliff is just so satisfying.
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>>148719056
Me here again.
My game has gone seriously buggy suddenly.
>>148718242
anyone?
>>148716914
The only required boss you'd skip is gargs. The rest would still be mandatory.
Okay, Chosen Undeads
Post some things exclusive to Dark Souls that you like.
>>148719926
Chucking lightning bolts of sunlight at people
>>148719926
>Levelling without loading screens at any bonfire
>Best early game miracles
>No Health mechanic
>DEX/FAI infinite lightning bolts
>True sandbox
>>148719926
There aren't things exclusive to dark souls. There are things dark souls did better and the combination of those is what makes the game great. If you're asking why I play dark souls, it would be the combat and getting slapped for my mistakes
>>148720165
>>148720104
>>148720165
Wew lads, I meant DaS1 specifically.
>>148719926
Gwyndolin's boipucci
>>148719926
Mask of the FatherNinja flips
Can someone post that DaS1 Guts guide? Also if there's anything similar to it for SotFS/III id appreciate it as well.
>>148719926
Trap God
>>148720397
Ds3 Guts Guide
>Make character named Guts
>Grab a straight sword because we all know that's what he uses
>Press r1 anytime you're near anything
BOMB SQUAD
EXPLOSIVE ORDNANCE DISPOSAL
EOD
HURT LOCKER
NIGGAH
>>148720597
Guts uses the dragonslayer
what do you mean? yeah he swings it around like a straight sword but that thing is much bigger
>>148720703
He's being cheeky, owing to the many people who have guts in their name yet break kayfabe
>>148720275
Non linearity
Atmospherepoise ;_;
>>148720752
Oh. I have a difficult enough time understand sarcasm normally.
Appreciate it lad..
>>148719926
The specific kind of area connectivity it had
Vagrants. I really think that the concept of vagrants could've been expanded and implemented to make DS3's online more interesting.
Motherfucking gravelording (I liked it more than Rat King even though it never fucking happened)
Effective darkness (as in, lack of lighting) in some areas
Silver Knight Spear
>>148720397
Golden arc
Knight helm
Balder armor
Legging and gauntlets dont really matter, use what you want to hit a poise breakpoint and stay at your preferred level range. Though for legs, any of the leather are good
The Greatsword
You can find the stats. If you want to storyline cosplay, start with claymore until you can get the Greatsword and send STR to ridiculous heights. Though unfortunately it won't change swing speed
For black swordsman
Same setup but with bkgs or dragon gs instead of the gs
Added avelyn, throwing knives and bombs
For berserker armor use bk armor sans the helm
>>148720397
Took a really long time to find it.
>>148721263
Also, start bandit. There is nothing to emulate the canon but you could use pyro
>>148720275
4k internal res textures.
is it gay if I want to fuck gwyndolin and let him fuck me for hours on end and rule anor londo together as twin slutprincesses while letting the giant guards go into our chambers to pound us into the sheets?
its straight if he makes himself look like a girl with illusions right?
Hey dsg, which game is your fav? Personally I think 1 is the best, Isaac being a silent protag just makes it way more gripping, like it's you in the suit just dealing with shit
Is there any way to get the upgraded engame armour early just for roleplay as a special forces throughout the maingame?
>>148721569
Its ok to be gay, anon.
Unless you live in Riyadh or something.
>>148721593
>>148721569
nah that's not gay
>>148721135
>Ratking
Oh don't fucking remind me.
What a wasted fucking potential. Rat King area should've been MANDATORY and be the only way to get to Black gulch. The drop down from Majula shouldn't have been possible directly to the gutter.
It should've went
Brightstone > Grave of Saints > Gutter > Meatman
Majula > Grave of Saints > Gutter < Meatman
This would've been perfectly doable. All they would've had to do is remove some of the wooden ledges on the drop down, so that you HAD to go through rat area, you couldn't bypass it.
fluted set should replace fallen knight set
>>148721569
Hey man, it's not gay if he's a delicious femboi.
>does nothing but fully charged R2s
>man i wish i had a faster weapon
streamers, man
>leveled to 30 dex
>casting is still slow like molasses
Why is being a caster in 3 so fucking hard?
>>148721973
Sage Ring.
>>148721749
Can't skip Darkroot...
Can't skip Farron...
Can't skip Aldrich zone...
WHY WAS THAT SHIT SKIPPABLE
>>148719926
>Post some things exclusive to Dark Souls that you like.
Besides a lot of the areas themselves(still, I appreciate that DS3 set out to do something new), I think that the upgrade system was the best in DS1.
>>148721135
>I really think that the concept of vagrants could've been expanded and implemented to make DS3's online more interesting.
I wish they had made like evil vagrants that would've been like passive gravelording --> if players die in an area in Ember form, it makes the area harder but if players are defeating the boss in that area more than they're dying, the area tendency shifts to be a little easier. So basically if you're Sunbro-ing, you can help make the area better for everyone, but if you're a dickwraith, you can go and help screw everyone over by invading and killing hosts or arrange fight clubs there to organize a lot of death that goes to fuck up other worlds.
This would be limited to a specific area and there would be a way to manipulate the area tendency offline too, so you wouldn't get screwed out of the challenge/rewards if you play offline.
>>148721973
>levelling dex
>>148722038
The silver knights section would be hell.
>>148722038
World tendency in DeS was, like so many things in this entire series, something that could've worked but didn't.
148722070
(You)
>>148722020
I has it on but still only the basic one.
>>148721569
That reminds me that my DaS folder has a picture of the Anor Londo Giant guard penises but I can't post it because hotpockets will get madwith homolust.
how to make das1 enjoyable and balanced
>poise is only active during attack frames
>ugs, greatmace, gretaxe 2H R2 cannot be parried
>backstab has startup frames
>chaos now scales with soul level rather than humanity
>rings may no longer be swapped unless full poise
>darkwood grain rain reduces poise by 50%
there. broken game is now fun.
>>148722316is it the one with Gwyndolin being spit roasted?
I think I can finally play. This looks alright to me.
What do you guys think?
>>148722530
Nah.
Just rebalance hollow soldier's and havel's and you're mostly good.
>>backstab has startup frames
>implying DaS3 backstabs are a good mechanic
Bring back demon's souls backstabs and it would be just fine.
Oh shit, we back?
>>148722885
go back to the character creation screen
>>148722885
The nose is fucked.
>>148722908
>>implying DaS3 backstabs are a good mechanic
>implying it's not an improvement over DaS1
>>148722885
mongol/10
Is this build good?
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/56904
I'm going for awaifuthat can cause havoc up close with the twin blades and then keep distance with the spear and pop parries when the fight gets too tradey.
I just look at that AR for 55 strength and 60 dex and wonder why its so low even on a sharp infusion? Am I missing something here or is 420-450 AR on those weapons more than good enough? Should I use item buffs? If so which ones?
>>148722994
But it's worse than Demon's Souls, so why would you intentionally want the worse mechanic?
You didn't even mention one of the biggest problems in DaS1/DeS that should be fixed, the hitbox not moving until at the end of the roll making laggy hits on in that connect once the i-frames have ran out or how you can just backstab someone who's already rolling away because their hitbox still hasn't gone anywhere.
I'm torn on whether roll i-frames should protect from BS because on one hand it would make BS much harder, rightfully so, but at the same time it would make estus/humanity punishing much harder.
>teardrop into archdragon peak
>skip the dragon
>light the bonfire
>quit out in the area after nameless king
>fall through the floor and get stuck
frick i was so close
>>148722530
does nothing about the huge recovery time on ultras
does nothing about spears or flip + katana 2hr1
does nothing about oneshot desync magic
does nothing about huge amounts of infinite stunlock combos
does nothing about toggle backstabs or toggling
does nothing about double boosted great combustion turtling
does nothing about shields being unbreakable
does nothing about gestures being uncancelable
does nothing about broken online
makes estoc turtling unbeatable
etc
no
play das2 instead
What if they brought Equipment encumberance back?
is ds3 dead or am i just softbanned?
i switched to Win10(pls dont laugh) but my savefile was another harddrive, so i replaced the newly created file with my old one. is that a soft bannable offense?
>>148723252
you're going to get parried when you inevitably roll poke and backstabbed when you inevitably parry spam
where you will die in one hornet ____
>>148723290
>reload save
>no longer stuck
praise it
>use spear
>get my ass kicked around every corner
Fuck it, I'm starting new char. Are curved swords usable?
>want to make a cosplay
>armor is in late game
>have to go through the entire game with mismatched armor/name just because you can't change your name
oh ok
Sweet, 4chan just got unfucked.
>>148723510
What armor set do you want cutie? I might be able to drop it for you on PC if you'd like.
>>148723323
>does nothing about the huge recovery time on ultras
>does nothing about spears or flip + katana 2hr1
>does nothing about double boosted great combustion turtling
>does nothing about shields being unbreakable
Git gud casual scum.
>does nothing about huge amounts of infinite stunlock combos
There are none for togglers.
>does nothing about gestures being uncancelable
>does nothing about broken online
>does nothing about oneshot desync magic
>does nothing about toggle backstabs or toggling
Actual problems that should be fixed.
>>148723383
No, it's just bit dead sometimes. You'll get a notice on the launch screen if you're banned.
>>148723475
Very. Carthus Curved is the meta but other ones have the same moveset as well.
>>148723510
Just make do with what you got.
>>148723475
>>148723584
Should have added that I'm only interested in PvE
>>148723563
It's aight, I'll just get the lothric k***ht greatshield and great club and be done with my havel cosplay
I'm getting in to long weapons lately and playing defensively is really starting to get super fun for me. Is the Winged Knight Halberd good?
Which game has your favorite atmosphere?
To me, Demon Souls felt hopeless and creepy until the end.
>>148723673
Any weapon that's good for PvP is also obviously more than enough for PvE.
Just go with the one you like the looks of the most.
>>148723682
Lmao I honestly knew it was havel's.
You're in luck, because I collect Havel's sets.
I have plenty of them. Would you like one, anon?
>>148723750
Bloodborne. From start to finish, my reaction was "what the fuck is going on!?"
>>148723738
>playing defensively
I hate how doing this seems to get me a win more and more often.
It means that DaS3 will eventually be much like DaS2, whoever moves first is more likely to lose. The only counter to this is to use weapons that are too fast to just be reactively dodged like CCS and Estoc, and that kinda makes the PvP unfun.
>>148723782
if you'd help a bro out, why not
Drop your sign down by the cathedral of the deep bonfire (the one before the dogs)
I won't be able to use them but I'd appreciate it
>>148723584
>use ultra weapon with huge recovery time
>get backstabbed constantly
>use spear with this poise system
>use r1s safely and disrupt anyone
>use flip + kat 2hr1
>invalidate poise system and never get hit
>use shield
>never ever get guard broken, lose less than 10% stamina from blocking a DGM, block strafe backstab ultras, never get backstabbed
all of these make das1 pvp cancerous and unfun and would continue to be with your poorly thought out changes, all of which were better implemented in das2
das2 is the pvp game, you want pvp you play das2, not hard, you can't fix the huge issues of das1 / des / das3 / bb without making it a new game
>>148723854
pass dsg I forgot
>>148723927
Sure thing pal, I'll be in there ~5 minutes.
Going to go kill Havel on this NG+ for ya.
>>148716293
Look at those gaping holes your character could easily crawl through...
What a piece of shit game...
>>148724016
I got your things man, but you'll have to move the location to the Chapel bonfire.
This location is completely single player.
>>148723750
A split between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls.
Though I only played DeS afterwards, the game made me feel powerful. The setting really expects you to overcome these seemingly unfair and cruel odds and cheers you on in the popup messages. Boletaria itself feels great. It's obvious that it hasn't been all that long since its downfall and the chaos is still intense.
Dark Souls uses a similar setting, but instead of a clear mission that others are also engaging in alongside you like in DeS, you really feel alone in a world that looks like it has come to a standstill long, long time ago. The setting isn't quite as gray, chaotic or grim as a result and the sorts of magic you end up encountering feels more ancient. The game stays pretty quiet through itself for the most part as it has bit less focus on intense close quarter encounters after another like with DeS.
I'm not sure which one I respect more, I enjoyed Dark Souls a bit more but it obviously builds a lot on what was done with Demon's Souls. They're both similar in good ways but also different enough to feel original on their own.
>>148724276
alright, be there in a couple
>>148723852
DaS2 had animation cancelling to condition overly reactive players and required stamina management though.
Below the Nexus is the coolest place ever.
>>148723852
That's not what I meant by playing defensively. I usually do shield pokes with Lothric Knight Spear or Greatlance, or block attacks then use Perseverance on my BKGS. Playing reactively also works well with those spears, too.
Is the stats in 3 similar to before where over 40 you start getting DR?
Any stats to avoid and any that are needed? What should I roughly aim for if I want to use the astora greatsword?
>>148724276
Thanks a lot. friend
>>148724437
>What should I roughly aim for if I want to use the astora greatsword?
I mean the farron greastsword, not astora.
>>148724285
I get what you mean.
Demon Souls takes place during the downfall, while Dark Souls takes place long after.
>>148723920
>>use ultra weapon with huge recovery time
Failed spacing.
>>use spear with this poise system
Roll until they run out of stamina and punish.
>>use flip + kat 2hr1
Attack so it lands on their recovery.
>>use shield
Deadangle or bleed them.
>all of these make das1 pvp cancerous and unfun
This is how thinks a player who can't into the game.
I'd get it if you were complaining about 61 poise flipping katana havelmoms which are the actual problem in PvP, but even that can be countered with SKS's reach and just backing away. 16/40 build in DaS1 can use tons of weapons and since twinkling titanite weapons don't even need slabs to upgrade, you have no reason to not bring more weapons.
>das2 is the pvp game
lol
enjoy your havel's greatshield + estoc meta
>>148724347
As long as you stayed 30-40% equipload your rolls would carry you far enough that there was very little downside to using them whenever you felt like you might get hit. Roll punishing itself was good in DaS2 but the stamina system also was bit too punishing with things like running where you really couldn't use a running attack in a duel without draining more than half of your stamina.
Poise?
>>148724074
Dark Souls is so much fucking better than 2. Or 3. 3 is fucking weeb shit.
>yfw you notice DaS3 is not using Steam Cloud
>>148724595
>Failed spacing.
there's no spacing that will save you from just instablock backstabs, toggle backstabs, or just regular old roll stabs
>suggesting that you can punish reactive flip kat 2hr1 or spears
lol
flip kat 2hr1 is the single strongest playstyle in das1
>dead angles
what are you going to do with those shitty 0 range backstab openings?
ghost hit or get the fuck out
i get the feeling you don't actually want any of your changes and just want the game to remain your same old boring dexfest except even less punishable
>>148724969
>hey that guy was cool / a huge dick, let's see who he was
>shift tab
>nothing
well shit, I panicked
Maybe I'll take on deacons next time
Thanks for the help, friendo
What setting do you want the next Souls-style game to be in?
>>148725075
Shoulda taken a nap by the warmth.
I didn't realize he would hit me hard.
Dude halved all 700 of my downscaled HP like nothing.
Believe in the power of 212, anon.
>>148724595
>enjoy your havel's greatshield + estoc meta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPox9S-ywpU
>>148724347
>DaS2 had animation cancelling to condition overly reactive players
It only worked on absolute newfriends. Any experienced player will know that shit coming from a mile away as you can only cancel a few startup frames. Any reactive player in ds2 had a fuckhuge advantage over aggressive one, even more so than in ds3.
And there's the fact that only katanas have good running attacks in DS3 so they can't buffer that shit with passive spinning.
Thoughts /dsg/? I'm trying to find the best straight sword for this
Longsword has the lowest requirements and good moveset, not much else to say.
Dark Sword hits around 30 AR harder than LS no matter how I redistribute the points accounting for dex investment, is the range bigger than the Longsword? I feel like I've gotten more bullshit hits using this. Moveset is trash though besides R1R1R1
Lothric Knight Sword is the weakest with highest requirements but fuck, it's the most fashionable and has the coolest moveset of the three. I haven't got one on this toon to contrast but what's the range like compared to the others?
Do I go for balance, pure power or style?
>>148725112
medieval europe :>
>>148725112
Late 1800's western USA.
>>148725179
Use the Shortsword.
>>148724982
Spacing is the only thing that actually matters in the fight for backstab, but keep telling yourself otherwise as you keep walking up and spamming that R1.
>flip kat 2hr1 is the single strongest playstyle in das1
True, among low skilled players. There's a reason you see relatively little of these in 135 though.
>>148725137
Am I supposed to believe that something he wins with <20% HP left against a player with crystal greatsword and plank shield is OP?
>>148725179
is this a raime cosplay? go for lothric knight sword
>>148725338
Or if it's a pure STR build then go for longsword so you don't waste any points in dex
>>148725179
Eff the Dark Sword, the stamina consumption is much worse. Longsword R2 is not actually good.
I'd go with broadsword for better AR or Lothric Knight for the moveset.
>get summoned to a boss fight
>enter the room and start running towards to boss
>15 seconds in and it feels like you're the only one fighting
>see an arrow hit the boss
>the host is sitting in the corner of the boss room baiting the shit out of you
what do?
>>148725547
Is the host an archer or something? What's the problem again
>>148725547
Simply dodge the attacks and don't do anything else
>now steam servers are down
jeeze thanks gabe.
What's the best bow in DaS2 for pure dex?
>4chin goes back online
>Steam servers die
what did they mean by this
>>148725676
black hunter's bow is the best but short bow has less stamina consumption and fires faster
>>148725747
I figured.
Can you recommend any good infusions, or should I just keep it reg?
>>148725815
just keep it uninfused, the only 2 bows i remember worth infusing are bow of want (lightning) and dragonrider (magic)
>>148725112
da future
>>148725316
it doesn't matter where you begin or end your swing when ultra weapon recovery and startup time is so long
spacing with ultras effectively does not exist in das1
they are extremely vulnerable and you swing = you get backstabbed, even if you hit them
have you forgotten how slow das1 ultras were? you seriously think anyone will ever use a 2hr2 in the game with the worst r2s of all, you're too used to das3
instablock backstabs and perfect toggles would let you backstab ultra users no matter what they do
admit it, there is no reason to leave ultras as shitty as they are, they have terrible movesets and stats and you even leave toggle escape in so there's no infinites
you leave DWGR flipstabs untouched, you leave toggle escape in so there's no infinites, you don't specify keeping poise only for ultras so tiny babby weapon users will be poisemonsters anyway
ultimately, your changes would leave the game in a state of nothing but spears and flip kats, just without backstabs since no one will ever use anything slower
das1 without backstabs is nothing
you can't fix it without making a new game
which.. they did. it's called dark souls 2
>>148725338
No cosplay, but fighting Fume Knight again gave me the idea for using FUGS left handed. Worked out pretty well so far
>>148725438
>>148725278
>>148725425
Will do some more comparisons, ty familias
>>148725154
>you can only cancel a few startup frames
The trick is to cancel late on r2's and mix it up with attacks of varying speeds. Also remember it's the only Souls game that has functional dual wielding. Can't believe people manage to be bad at such simple tactics.
>Decide to finally start a DS1 NG+2 run while waiting for DS3 DLC
>Depths Torch Hollows
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
On a related note; post DS1 builds.Fun DS2 builds also welcome
>>148726365
>The trick is to cancel late on r2's and mix it up with attacks of varying speeds
all of this is predictable as shit
> only Souls game that has functional dual wielding
with damage debuff in left hand lmao
>>148726441
http://mmdks.com/8acy
It isn't good by any means except for high poise but I liked it
>>148726441
>oboboboshit
Enjoy being kited.
>>148725947
>spacing with ultras effectively does not exist in das1
lol
just attain the skill to
Of course they're hard to play, they have the highest damage.
>you get backstabbed, even if you hit them
Not even havelmom can tank through ugs 2HR1. Giantdad is the only common build that can handle a swing from that without staggering.
>have you forgotten how slow das1 ultras were?
I keep regularly beating up people with my memedad build so I don't really see it as a problem.
>you seriously think anyone will ever use a 2hr2
No, why would you? They're obviously terrible compared to normal and rolling 2HR1 moves.
>so there's no infinites
Why would you need infinites when everyone dies in three hits anyways?
>you leave DWGR flipstabs untouched
Unlock R1.
Yawn.
>spears and flip kats
BSS R2 does more poise damage and has better reach than katanas so not really problem.
You can just turtle away from a spear or hold your shield up and there's nothing they can do to hurt you.
>no one will ever use anything slower
das1 without backstabs is nothing
So just outtrade them. If you're using FaP + Havel's you can bring way, way more armor = poise and bigger weapons. At SL100-125 the flippers don't have 53 poise or more unless they sacrifice something like dex and go with chaos weapon. Which sucks at such high defenses.
In other words, you can just trade them with a greatsword and you win every time.
Will from make Saint Bident not shit?
>tfw cucklord nito is slapping my shit
Or should I say those fucking skellies. I am tempted to make a +5 divine weapon to deal with them, is it worth it or should I just try to tank it? I am a purely str/dex build, and haven't used sorcery or divine weapons once.
>>148726727
yeah like they made holy lothric sword not shit lmao
with Tanimura being responsible for balance you shouldn't expect any good buffs to anything yet quality longswords and curved swords staying untouched forever
>>148726838
>Grab occult club at anor londo
>Go to andre and revert it to divine +5
Congratulations, now you can kill the skellies to make an already easy fight even EASIER
>>148726838
A divine weapon to deal with the 3 small skeletons and staying at the beginning of the arena pretty much trivializes the entire fight.
If you dont want to make a divine weapon, pick up a Silver Knight Spear for it has innate divine power
>>148725112
1500s / 1600s European wars.
I'm hoping for a Bloodborne sequel that mixes shit like Zweihanders and halberds with Bloodborne style tricked out weaponry like maybe you could have a zweihander that functions like a normal zwei in it's regular form, but you can upgrade it to a twinblade or pistol that's also a dagger.
>>148726535
>being unpredictable is predictable
sure
Go play your DaS3 m8.
>>148724747
> the stamina system also was bit too punishing
???
Most attacks costed less stamina in DaS2, rolls costed the same, you don't get completely exhausted for a period after completely emptying your stamina, you could get 225 fucking stamina.
Did you play at 70% equip load?
>>148726441
>46 poise
>dual wield
>offhand falchion
>skss
>no shield
I wish the SKSS was actually good.
I'm sorry, but the minmaxer in me just can't let this go.
http://mmdks.com/8acz
>>148724969
>in ng+20 on my old hard drive
>change hard drive because its going bananas
>load up DS3 just to see that everything but my achievements are gone
On one side I have myself to blame. On the other i want to wake up inside.
>>148725729
I went to play shit on Steam when I noticed that 4chan was kill. I think roughly a million other NEETs did too.
>>148727006
>can only cancel a few startup frames into some obvious action like backstep or roll
>""""""""""""""""""""""unpredictable""""""""""""""""""""""
>>148726928
This fight is considered easy? It's by far the most punishing of all the lord soul bosses, IMO. I'm just pretty bad at dealing with ganks I guess.
fuck invading in this game, all players are fucking pussies playing with sunbros all the time. never can get 1v1
>>148727018
In the start of the game you have very little stamina and even a short run drains it too fast.
>you could get 225 fucking stamina
Why would you dump it on that though? Even at SL200 it's still better to put it into vigor or offensive stuff.
>>148727139
>all players are fucking pussies playing with sunbros all the time. never can get 1v1
The system intentionally pairs people to guide invaders to ganks.
>never can get 1v1
Lol go play Street Fighter.
>>148727138
It's easy, if you stay under him you can literally not dodge the entire fight unless he does his AoE
>>148727018
>you could get 225 fucking stamina
Nice SL 666 build you have there
>>148727139
did you not know that it prioitizes hosts with phantoms?
>>148727219
Why are you talking about low stamina issues when you're talking about rollcatching? At low level invading you don't even need to bother, just swing an axe and people will regret not leveling ADP
>>148727058
>Swag Sword
So mad that i didnt get that after hours of farming
>Dual wield, no shield
Yeah thats the entire purpose of the build, i got bored with shields after 8 playthroughs and decided to do something else
>Falchion
was torn between that or Ricards for the off-hand, i thought the falchion looked better while sheated so i went with that
>>148727139
go pontiff for ur honorabaru duels
>>148727139
>he actually wants to fight lone hosts in a game with a second easiest gank spank in series after bloodborne
this would be boring and one-sided as shit
>>148726441
>tfw playing the funnest build ive ever made
man, not using a shield or a high-absorb ugs is so fucking fun on this ranger build. This is the first time in any souls game where I've never focused on blocking or had a fuckhueg UGS to block with.
It helps that 2H animations in DaS2 are so good looking. Fuck, DaS2 was so good in some areas but shit in others.
>>148727489
>the sheer quantity of delay between the bullet hitting him and him taking damage
I don't really understand how BB managed to have the worst netcode in a series notorious for bad netcode, but it did it.
>>148727304
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls2/52975
>>148727546
>worst netcode in a series
it's nowhere nearly as bad as ds2
bb's netcode would be as good as in ds1 if it wasn't for psn being a piece of a fucking SHIT
>>148727112
You really do not get to concept of mix ups, do you?
If someone wastes time on recognizing baits he is susceptible to getting hit by plain old R1's.
>>148727614
>it's nowhere nearly as bad as ds2
lmao
BB could take 10minutes to summon a player that was playing in my fucking room
meanwhile ds2 was instant
>>148727614
Never played Bloodborne. Nothing but phantom range, failed summons, the works.
>invade
>push guys shit in
>connection interrupted
>>148725063
Literally loling at that pic.
>>148726838
Just get a Silver Knight Straight Sword or >>148726950
as a backup weapon.
>>148727721
>BB could take 10minutes to summon a player
this only happened if both of you were retards staying far from each other
SRRC coop took roughly 40 seconds to find a host at SL140
and while summoning is instant in ds2, its actual hit detection is so fucking HORRIBLE that even soulbrandt faggots shilling that piece of garbage into oblivion prior to the release were forced to acknowledge that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36CTT_O38LQ
he died in mid air. I can't get this item
I overleveled and missed the opportunity to join the meta in the BoB/Sentinel's arena meta. Can a Soul Vessel subtract levels?
>>148728049
Who dies? one of the NPCs? Then you can reload the game and the item will be where he spawns
![[whistling intensifies].webm](https://i.imgur.com/ZEqBLJS.jpg "[whistling intensifies].webm")
>>148727828
i've played in bb more than you did
during the entire lifespan of a game i never encountered the same retarded phantom range issues i saw in ds2 on regular basis in pretty much every invasion
>>148727901
Funny thing is, DaS2 is much more accurate than DaS3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-fplak7u44
summoning other players WHILE being invaded is the shittiest thing that is put in this game, why is this allowed
>>148728049
You look like Lucatiel.
>>148728104
>Can a Soul Vessel subtract levels?
Yes, it gives you your souls back.
Lucatiel is alright.
>>148728259
we are talking about network lag and not about innate weapon range problems each souls game had
Femanons, who is your soulsbando?
>inb4 Solaire
>>148728414
I platonically agree with this man
Yorshka is cute!
>>148728483
i like her title
>>148727873
SKSS doesnt have divine aux for some reason
>tfw no modding tools
>>148728483
She has cute pointy ears.
>>148728313
>>148728452
>innate weapon range problems each souls game had
Actually only DaS3 has this. DaS3 has hitboxes that extend past the visual model.
DaS2 handles netcode differently than the other souls games, it checks to see if it lines up on the opponent's screen. This registers hits far faster than Bloodborne but is also exploitable.
Once you know how DaS2 netcode works you can run directly into enemy swings during their attack and not get hit, though it forces rolling when you're close.
As a result of this, you don't have to wait a good 16 frames for hits to register as in Bloodborne, which checks to see if it lines up on both screens.
Leading to a whole bunch of trading and a lack of proper attack interruption, yet still causing irritating phantom range if you have a better connection than the other guy.
DaS2's netcode is not flawless but it is a far better implementation than anything else in the series.
If SoC kicks me one more time I am going to break his fucking legs.
>>148728452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QWWCSx3r1s
Yes DaS3 has the worst netcode in the series.
God damnit /dsg/, I cannot find any info on this anywhere. Does counter damage apply to the elemental damage part of infusions?
>>148719118
I do
>>148728483
Yorshka is an abomination
Disgusting subhumans
>>148728794
He looks so comfy.
>>148728726
>Guys, I get it, they're Japanese
You can safely fuck off now alongside your twitch e-celeb.
>>148728794
Don't bully my imouto.
>>148728943
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>>148728746
Of course it does, why wouldn't it?
It doesn't double dip.
>tfw just now finding out you can light torches at bonfires after 96 hours into DaS2
>>148728943
Yorshka is cute and all but she isn't related to Gwyndolyn.
Gwyn did not fuck a dragon.
>>148728695
>DaS2 handles netcode differently than the other souls games
In such a way that caused an immense amount of phantom range issues compared to any other souls game. In DS1/3/BB you had a perfect hit detection against your friends living in the same city. In DS2 it was laggy as shit even if you were in the same fucking building.
The amount of complains about network lag issues between DS2 and the rest of a series is just incomparable.
>>148729084
I still get vietnam flashbacks from katana hitboxes.
>>148729049
>Gwyn did not fuck a dragon.
Gwyn fucked pretty much everything.
I'm going to Yurt Priscilla.
>>148729146
>strafing against a spear in ds2
>it still hits me even though visually poke went into completely different direction
And that's how i've learned to dodge or block every attack even if it happens ten meters away.
>>148729084
Your personal experience is not mine. I have never had a good connection in Bloodborne to memory, it was universally terrible with variable amounts of terrible.
Any FC I've been to, any invasion, any co-op. Laggy as all hell.
Bad connections in DaS2 are sporadic. Shit happens, but shit happens only sometimes. The entire rest of the time it is snappy and fast.
Again, hit confirmation is up to thrice as fast. Parries work like in PvE.
>The amount of complains about network lag issues between DS2 and the rest of a series is just incomparable.
What exactly do you expect about the community that preaches such valuable advice as "ADP is a placebo"?
>>148729021
Well, I read that it didn't do so in ds1 and it wouldn't surprise me the developers would forget it or something.
Thanks though, now I can safely make my chaos rapier build.
Godamn this banning system is broken, punishes me for random DC issue and wont let me play for 15 plus hours, fugg
when will this way of white circlet fuckin spawn??
>>148729296
If you look closely, spear r1s basically teleport around a huge area in DaS2 and even hit behind you.
Like doing a claymore 2hr2 in DaS3 and turning at the last second to turn a thrust into a gigantic sweep.
>>148729456
and ofc im stuck for the twin princes, ng plus 3.. theyre damn impossible with my smough hammer
is summoning with pw still available?
>>148729296
>strafing at all in DS2
Anon, no.
>>148729748
If you're in the shitter server you cannot summon even with pw
>>148729357
>Bad connections in DaS2 are sporadic
90% of online activity is not "sporadic".
>hit confirmation is up to thrice as fast
Yeah from ten meters away.
>Parries work like in PvE
Same way as in DS3 or BB.
>tfw just died to the poo throwing attack of those caged hollows
>>148729957
top fucking kek
post your character so we can bully you for the rest of your time on this earth
>>148729957
>tfw just unistalled
I've given it too many tries. Fuck Fromsoft. Cancerous garbage game. It's been fun but this one is so bad. Fuck it.
>>148729553
The ridiculous explanations people fabricate to explain phantom range is fuckin' hilarious.
It's just latency. On their screen, they see you where you were ~50-500ms ago, whatever the delay between you is. You see them attack where you were that time ago, and so it misses because you're not there anymore, but for them, when they attacked, you were there. Hit detection in DaS2 and 3 is based entirely on the attacking client, so if they see themselves score a hit, it hits. As the defending client, you have to either guard or time a dodgeroll so your iframes avoid the damage. It's counterintuitive at first, but it's a damn side better that DaS1 where a passive spearflipper on a 500ping connection was literally unhittable.
>>148729357
You should probably recognize from the webms being posted that you're trying top argue with the same rabid BB fanboy that shitposts in here every goddamn day of his life. You're wasting your time. I know you're right, you know you're right, but no amount of reality will ever shake the delusions of someone that far gone.
>>148730079
>being a quitter
lmao uninstall yourself fampai. there is objectively nothing wrong with dark souls 3 and quitting before the dlc is even announced goes to show how weak you are.
I bet you died to dancer more than 10 times.
>>148729957
>>148729862
Thats too fucking gay for me senpai.
Why would they install such a shit system? My internet is not perfect, ive had this DC before but then i could fortunatly use the way of white circlet that i started off with. Now im just lost. Im waiting for the thing to spawn but its not focking coming on.
Do i have to repeat this everytime i get DCd like this? That makes this game unplayable and QUITE UTTER SHIT
>>148730140
I'm not saying it's not latency. Phantom range is latency + speed of attack + hitbox. The spear r1s have a ridiculous hitbox that jolts around a huge area, that's really what makes it awful.
Yeah, I know. I'm filtering the poor mindbroken anon. It's probably Nikolai.
>>148730187
I guess, but it's a fucking game m8.
I don't need to play it to feel any worth. I have no worth. It's just a shitty game that's only gotten shittier. I got better shit to do at this point anyway with my life. I don't give a fuck about the dlc when the game won't let me play with setups like I had in 1 and 2. Maybe I'll come back to it someday, but fuck it. I'm tired of how strict it is about your build. Fuck it. I hate it. You can't win unless you specialze it for one thing, the story is the shittiest yet. There's no reason to add all this kindles faggotry, the game has too many bloodborne rejects. I'm tired of having to do so much tedious shit and all this fucking planning too. I'm done. I'm too old for this autistic shit. I'm going to go be a normie. Maybe I'll play DS1 still, but fuck this one hard.
How much does Ring of Steel Protection + 2 + Lloyd's Shield reduce damage? I'm going for a greatshield turtle that uses a spear, preferably Lothric Knight Spear, and buff it with blessed weapon and the regen ring to top it off. I know getting hit while doing the shield poke gets you damaged even if you have 100 physical on the shield. Is that shit worth it?
>>148730442
>The spear r1s have a ridiculous hitbox that jolts around a huge area
They don't really. That weird thing where thrusting attacks linger their hitbox and can be aimed to create a slash is exclusive to DaS3. Spears do have a hitbox across their entire shaft, and one of the actually, legitimately bad hitboxes in the game as a consequences since the backswing on a spear thrust actually extends the hitbox backwards while it's active, but they don't linger or streak like DaS3 thrusts. DaS2 spears actually track well enough to consistently hit a player sprinting around you in a circle, they track incredibly well (too fucking well, desu). It's just deceptive because since you, as the person being attacked, see where they were attacking X ms ago, it always looks like the spear is failing to track you because it can;t turn enough, and missing you as a result. In reality, it's tracking you perfectly and finding its mark square-on every single time, and you just don't see that until you've moved a few steps past it.
It's easier to see if you actually use spears in pvp. So many people mistakenly assume they can't track and circlestrafe around you, only to get hit over and over and over again, because you can literally stand there mashing R1 to track any movement they make, be it a locked strafe, unlocked sprint or roll.
And yeah, the speed is a fucking problem, too. Spears in 2 where just too fucking good in general.
>>148718489
try dashing through
>>148730523
FUCKING IGNORANT SLAVES WHEN WILL YOU TAKE NOTICE
OCCEELOOOTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Is it more efficient to farm souls to buy scales and twinkles, or to farm them directly from rock lizards?
>>148731074
Farming souls is more efficient, just get rapport and farm the 3 golden winged knights atop of the archives
>>148731012
I have never died to him ever once. Dancer destroys me half the time, Nameless faggot is horseshit, fuck Champion Gundyr too. Fuck almost all the weapons. Fuck dex getting greatswords. Fuck the magic, fuck the limited attunemet slots. I do like all the rings and some other stuff with the gameplay, but it's like 1 step forward from 2 and then two or three steps back. I just can't care for it. I just can't.
>>148731143
I see, thanks.
>>148730786
>RoSP+2
4%
>Lloyd's Shield
Unknown. Presumably more effective. Regen + Lloyd's Shield + leveling VIT for high base defense is meta as fuck, but those builds use a blessed offhand.
Shield poking is completely useless. Pretty sure it halves your shield's stats or something, maybe even worse since rapier greatshield poking can suddenly drain 80% of your stamina from full.
You also get knocked out of the shield poke. They should've removed it, really.
Spears are pretty meh in 3. Pikes especially. You can't ever use that awful running attack, AR is lame. Looks beautiful though.
>>148730826
I want to make a slow motion webm of the spear r1 to show what I mean, but man, I'm tired.
You are right though.
>And yeah, the speed is a fucking problem, too.
Remember when they were almost twice as fast and twice as weak, and that horrible period where the first was true but the second wasn't?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwyxS2F7bN4
>>148719926
ripostes
they're both so visceral and have so much power behind them (well, at least in DaS3), and i can't recall a moment where i didn't immensely enjoy riposting an invader after a parry or riposting a boss during a stagger phase
>>148731417
You don't like the DaS2 criticals?
>those sound effects and screen shaking when you crunch your great club into a player after a guard break
>driving your spear into the spines of taller foes
>holding the guy you're backstabbing so you can gouge the dagger in deeper
>>148731659
those were pretty tight as well; was honestly hoping they would bring back the pommel-kick-slash backstab they used for the greatswords in DaS3
heck, why wouldn't they just import all of the backstab/riposte animations from DaS2 into DaS3 since they basically just took all of the ripostes from DaS1
>>148731659
dark souls 2 had the best parry animations, except for whips, the whip riposte was retarded and shouldn't have existed
>he doesn't turn off his phone, turn off all the lights, lock the doors and close the curtains before playing Dark Souls
>he doesn't always carry a torch and spend hours in one place, examining every inch of it
>he doesn't play with invisible HUD
>he doesn't read every item description
>he doesn't carry a latin dictionary near himself while playing
>he doesn't keep a journal/diary to take notes
>>148732209
I thought it was hilarious. You literally just punch them while holding the whip. How is that even the least bit effective? It was silly.
Network test also had crossbow backstabs and ripostes that just used the fist animation. It was absurd.
fucking bloodborne rejects, too many bloodborne rejects. Why bloodborne rejects you may ask? how I come to that conclusion? It's simple they either have hairy 1 inch tentacles or any other kind of deformation coming from random spots on their body or are just a random blob o' limbs. fuck bloodborne and it's weird ass looking monsters and fuck ds3 for slurping up so many bloodborne rejects.
>>148732231
>he takes hours to perform basic exterior collision tests
>he can't see his and manage his stamina while fighting (no wonder it takes you fucking hours to do anything)
>he needs a dictionary to catch the basic references and wordplay
>he needs to take physical notes to remember basic shit
It might be time to give up on the videogames, gramps. You're turning senile.
What's the best mob to practice parry timings on?
>>148732435
i would say silver knights
>>148732231
110% Immersion
>>148732435
Always silver knights
Any PC FC?
>literally lying about NG+
Only excuse I'll accept is if they ran out of time.
>>148732231
You forgot:
>he doesn't use Cheat Engine to start the game with Elite Knight Set, Astora Straight Sword and Crest Shield
>>148732231
Epic Meme Bro pls, go back to finish your let's plat DS3.
