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>>148068339
Damn that OP image is sick. Do you have one in higher res?
>>148068339
>Djura is facing away
Good art
A-already made one
>>148067747
>>148068339
good wallpaper
>MC hunter uses the pistol
I always see this. People like to draw the posterboy, but they swap the shotty for the pistol. Why do this, and not just swap both weapons while you're at it?
Also, Henryk uses the saw spear, not the cleaver IIRC
>>148068753
Nope, cleaver
The Bloodmoon beckons to even the most steadfast of hunters.
Does it beguile you with its tantalizing allure comrade?
Then post yer hunter as well. Let us glimpse /bbg/'s resident Edgelords!
>>148068753
Henryk def uses the Cleaver.
>>148068640
Hunter Djura was right the whole time!
>>148069025
You Vilebloods ought to be purged.
>>148068580
Afraid not, I got it from /bbg/ when it was posted. Did an image search, that's the biggest one out there, sadly.
>>148069025
bend at the knee, /bbg/
>>148069025
Man I really fucking need to get around to openin my ps4 again some day. Why did I delete my only image of my hunter.
>>148069025
A fine display indeed hoontah.
You definitely take the cake in terms of edginess.
>fighting Ebrietas for the first time
>have +10 Beast Claws with Embrace Rune and only main game and dlc gems
>use bolt paper
>just hug her ass the whole time and beat her first try with no damage
I have seen so many people complain about that boss being hard but...
What the hell? That was a complete joke, literally probably the second easiest boss in the game
>>148068339
So Clockwise
Gehrman
Crowsteel
Micolash
Djura
Gascoigne
Henryk
- dont know her name
Eileen
The doll
Maria
Executioner dude, fuck I forgot his name
Valtr
The Good Hunter.
Tried to do it by memory.
>>148069543
How the fug did you get up there?
how do I deal with this guy
>>148069839
lol you're overpowered as shit that's why
Most people fight her before Micolash
If you think she's easy though, go and try the defiled version.
>>148069839
I killed Ebby my first time, too, but there's other time where I've had incredible trouble. Who can say?
>>148069993
Just jump down onto it. The actual fall from Research Hall to the altar, and likewise from the altar to the basement, is minimal
>>148069839
try fighting her in the CDs when she has orders of magnitude more HP and damage
>fights boss when overleveled for said boss
>"I don't get why people think this is hard :^))))))"
>>148069929
>dont know her name
That's Yuria. Her name's only in the credits.
>>148070063
Or @ bl4
>>148070024
Parry him to death.
Or on an Arc build just spam Executioner Gloves, although this is harder in Depth 5, especially with 10 Vitality where you can't fuck up once and his bullshit projectile goes straight through pillars with no warning.
>>148070156
Damn. I can't rest now untill i tried that shit.
Cheers my man
>>148070218
And whats the other guy's name? Arthur? I swear I cant remember and its on the tip of my tongue.
>>148070695
Alfred
>>148070813
I knew it was something with A
Thanks boss.
God if they cut Ludwig from the next episode of new Berserk I'm going to slit my wrists.
>>148070218
Yuria bestwaifu
>>148069025
Torn between Madman's Garb and Yahar'gul Garb for Mad Priest attire.
>>148071560
>not Imposter Iosefka
so close. right organization, wrong person
>>148071505
Is Rapehorse supposed to be in the next one, yeah? I couldn't bear to watch it after that dreadful first episode, but if Rapehorse will be in it, I'll watch.
>>148071808
2nd one is a little better, ends right before the dogs get possessed, Farnese is a barbie doll though.
I think I figured out why the cgi is so terrible, it's the thin lines, in drawing it's important to vary the thickness of your lines and and break them up every now and then, to keep the image looking attractive and that's lost with cgi models.
>30 BLT, a couple of 18% physical gems, +9 Chikage
>Kill Ludwig first try in under ninety seconds and spend only five vials
This weapon is pretty absurd in PVE, almost Whirlgig Saw tier.
>>148070063
>>148070181
What level SHOULD you be for the boss?
I beat her after the DLC and stuff true but, I spent most my echoes on vialsanother overrated boss is Laurence. Ludwig and Orphan are both about a billion times harder.
>>148070071
I think in hindsight it was just because she never popped A Call Beyond.
On a side note, I accidentally sold my Old Hunter Bone, can I still get the all tools trophy or do I need to grab it in ng+?
>>148069929
>>148070218
Yeah it's Yurie, get it right fags
>>148072493
The cgi is terrible because it's so stiff. It's like watching in-engine cutscenes of a really bad PS2 game, there's zero fluidity, and everything's limp. I don't really mind some of the actual art, it could be better, sure, but good lord the actual animation is hilariously bad. That's what you get for letting moeshit studios animate Berserk. PS2 era Ludwig should be fun to watch, though.
Byrgenwerth Student Uniforms look pretty damn good
>>148072652
>using the physical form of the Chikage
but why
>>148073060
Physical gems increase blood damage family
>>148073060
Physical gems also affect Blood damage, so until you get round to farming 3 BLT gems (where you get a higher % in exchange for not affecting anything but Blood) you use Physical gems.
Think of Blood ATK the same way as blunt or thrust, it's not a seperate element like Fire/Bolt/Arcane.
>>148073060
Physical gems boost the blood damage
>>148073060
>Using the Chikage
Fixed that for you.
>>148073780
>not using the chikage
unzip the edge
>>148073869
I've done a bloodtinge build, Chikage felt like garbage, especially when put up against something like the Bloodletter. Besides, I happen to like having a weapon with more than one good move.
>>148073626
>chikage's moveset is only 1/2 bloodtinge
>WHEEL's moveset is 100% B L U N T
This is why Cainhurst lost.
>>148069025
Choir Leggings 2 comfy
>>148074539
congratulations that's the worst fashion I've ever seen
>>148074061
>especially when put up against something like the Bloodletter
I actually made a Bloodletter build before the Chikage build and was extremely disappointed. It felt almost exactly the same as the Hunter's Axe. Chikage at least feels unique.
>>148074887
>tfw want to do Bloodletter build
>tfw STR/BLT has no other weapon before it to use and Ludwig and Maria are next to impossible to get past for me without a strong weapon
Especially the former. I hate that fucker.
Yharnam Hunter Trousers vs Tomb Prospector Trousers vs Yhar-har ghul Black trousers. I can't decide help
>>148075396
Level STR first, do not pay very much attention to Bloodtinge in the early game. You can summon Valtr for Ludwig (or, if you have PS+, you can summon people from here and get away with being pretty weak). If you want to use the Gatling Gun you need to level Skill up to 12, which will let you wield the Whirlgig and make everything a lot easier. You will not be able to get the Bloodletter without being insanely good or having to grind through the majority of the game first, but it's doable. I actually found Maria much, much harder because my viscerals were so weak against her, and in her final form she had combos that would full health me.
>>148075814
The entire Yarhar set looks like trash, honestly. I'd say Tomb Prospector if you're a gril, Yharnam Trousers if not.
>invade someone
>all they do is spam their gun
Why?
>>148076057
>The entire Yarhar set looks like trash
I've found the gloves decent with certain stuff, but I generally agree
>>148076116
They saw your big /bbg/ dick and panicked
Hunter Axe vs Saw Cleaver
which one?
>>148075967
Not entirely true. Research Hall is pretty easy in general, and you can run to the second Hamlet lamp in about 30 seconds without getting hit once.
Ludwig is literally the biggest barrier for anyone trying to rush dlc stuff
>>148076494
B-but I'm a grill...
>>148076506
Most people will say the Axe is stronger, probably because it is. I like the Cleaver more though.
>>148076506
Both are pretty boring, the fun STR weapons are Kuckhammer and Stake Driver and both are very mediocre for PVE
Saw Cleaver is stronger so use that. If you really want to trivialize the game use Ludwig's or, better yet, Whirlgig
>>148076506cleaverits DPS isn't even comparable to the shittynoob axe
>>148076774
>>148076809
Sorry, I'm not looking for raw AR, I'm talking about fun to use.
I usually a game using the Cleaver but I'm insanely bored by it's lame moveset, and I heard that the Axe was more engaging. I'm just asking if that's been other people's experience around here, because I tried the cane and it fucking sucks dick
>>148076774
>B-but I'm a grill...
It's a metaphorical dick, yet one you shall soon come to embrace
Is Beat Cutter fun?
Is it better than Amy's arm in any way?
>>148076116
>shitters all over the shop
Why even make builds?
>>148077041
>I tried the cane and it fucking sucks dick
What kind of build are you going for?
>>148077263
I ran a pure skl build with the Cane just to see if it ever got gud, but I stopped at around BSB, I just wasn't feeling it.
I usually like going physical/quality if I'm just running though the game
>>148076116
The equivalent of DaS1 backstab fishing
What's the best way to do a vit-gouge build in BB? There's no NR equivalent or anything like that in this game. The closest I can think of would be Kos Parasite and tricked Wheel with flat ARC gems. Am I wrong here?
>boot up wolf TNO
>play for an hour
>not feeling it
>start browsing /bbg/ during the cutscenes
>start up bb instead
>make new char
S-send help guys. Will i ever be able to play other games again?
Fun pure Strength Weapons
-Kirkhammer
Fun pure Skill Weapons
Burial Blade
Reiterpallasch
Saif
Church Pick
Fun Quality Weapons
-Stake Driver
Fun Str/Arcane Weapons
-HMLS
-Log Wheel
Fun Skl/Arcane Weapons
-Doesn't exist
Fun Skl/Blt Weapons
-Chikage
Fun Str/Blt Weapons
-Doesn't exist
This is the only Souls game where there are more fun Skill/Dexterity Weapons than Strength weapons.
So can any old guy just up and become a hunter? Do we know if they're exceptionally superhuman or something?
I'm just confused as to how they're so above the normal rabble.
I'm trying some of the chalice dungeons with all the rites; do people actually enjoy this? If an enemy even sneezes in my directing I fall over. It's ridiculous.
>>148077798
>so can just anyone try becoming a Hunter
they have to be hand-picked to enter the Dream
>do we know if they're exceptionally superhuman or something?
Let's see you try wielding a weapon as large as a Hunter Axe 1handed at base str. Being a Hunter is an inherent powerlevel boost.
>>148077759
>fun str weapons
>no memegig
>fun skl weapons
>no BoM
GTFO
>>148077759
>parasite isn't fun
>beast mode isn't fun
>>148078392
Beast Mode is the funnest thing in the game but parasite is ungodly boring
Playing parasite consists of just doing a post-dash woobity tentacle move sometimes and spamming L2
>>148078581
>not using the entire parasite moveset
>being one of those dash r1 l2 boys
It's like you don't like free aim vomit hitstuns.
>>148077759
Y-you ok, good hunter?
>>148077745
Oh, other games will come along, you'll play them, enjoy them, love them even, but in the back of your head will writhe that one little vermin that wants you to hunt, and hunt you will.
>>148078581
I don't know how good beast mode is but I do agree that the parasite is pretty overrated. Especially considering how much of a pain it is to get the thing.
>>148077860
> tfw FRC Chalice's with 10 Vitality
How do I make a character that doesn't look slightly different than the preset? How do I fuck with the sliders and make it look good?
>>148077798
>>148078026
Remember that Yharnamites regularly consume blood, more than booze and sex, and are full of the stuff. They receive it for medical treatment Yharnamites are prone to beasthood, and are conscripted by the church on nights of the hunt. That's what the Yharnam Hunter set is, the uniform of people conscripted as hunters.
As for the dream, countless hunters have passed through there, how do you know every poor Yharnamite shitter hasn't been there at least once? And the Hunter's Nightmare has a river made of the remains of hunters.
Anyone can be a hunter.
>>148078734
>implying that Vermin are real
just take off this here Impurity Rune and *poof!* No more Vermin!
>getting tricked by delusional madmen this easily
shameful
>>148078783
Does more health even make a difference? I have 30 vitality and I'm surprised when I survive a hit.
>>148078990
>how do you know every poor Yharnamite shitter hasn't been there at least once?
First, because they leave ragdolls behind upon death, instead of disappearing into mist like dreaming Hunters do (even blood-drunk Hunters who are on their way to the Nightmare)
Second, Ludwig's whole gimmick was him recruiting non-dreaming Yharnam normies to join in the Hunt, because apparently there weren't enough Dreaming Hunters to go around.
And the Yharnam Hunter Set explicitly states that non-dreaming Hunters are mere pretenders who get brutally fucked by the beasts by virtue of not having superhuman strength, agility, or rally powers
>>148079252
Not the guy you're responding to but why do you have to dream to be a hunter? Gehrman was a hunter before the dream existed and he did just fine
>>148078990
And Ludwig is the source of all this dead/failed hunters. The spring of the river.
So, thanks to Ludwig everyone can be a hunter ... by name only and as long as an OP beast cuts them to ribbons.
True hunters have talent and restrain.
>>148079573
well, wasnt he the first hunter to dream? Id imagine he 'created' it in a way.
tip: I have no idea what im talking about.
>>148079573
there's a distinction between Dreaming and non-Dreaming Hunters.
Dreaming Hunters are Hunters as we know them.
non-Dreaming Hunters are "Hunters" in the sense that they actually don't have any chance of doing anything productive, and will either die immediately or go blood-drunk, and/or transform in to a beast themselves.
Gehrman and his crew started Dreaming in the first place to boost their own powerlevels, because there's only so much you can do as a normal man. Especially when Byrgenwerth was sending Hunters into the Labyrinth to spelunk, and they had to fight the legitimately superhuman entities therein
Just a threadly reminder to all you hunters out there. Remember to lead by example and make /bbg/ a place where beastly idiocy is not allowed to run rampant.
>>148079573
You can technically be a Hunter without dreaming, the dream just gives you infinite retries at any given scenario and essentially makes you an unkillable godlike being who can destroy anything based on pure trial and error
As seen with the NPC hunters who don't dream, you CAN survive without but one death and you're done.
>>148079036
>doesn't know you can get vemin without rune
Get a load of this vermin apologist
>>148079887
Isn't the Moon Presence the creator of the dream? I thought it trapped Gehrman there, and Gehrman didn't have anything to do with the decision to dream
>>148080229
only in the Nightmare, when all sorts of fake bullshit is """""""real""""""""because it's just a dream, none of it is real
>>148079252
>>148079658
NPC Hunters vanish on death.
And other people have said it, there's dreaming and non-dreaming hunters. But all those gravestones in the dream mean there's been a lot of dreaming hunters, many of whom were Yharnamites by virtue of proximity.
>>148080290
Laurence, Gehrman and co. beckoned the MP with an umbilical cord way back when they were all still in Byrgenwerth, and asked it to create the Hunter's Dream for them and give the Hunters powers. In exchange, Gehrman was trapped in the Dream forever as it's host.
>>148080342
>because it's just a dream, none of it is real
>he thinks it's actually a dream
I have bad news for you, anon, it's all real. Dream and Nightmare aren't literal terms. The Nightmare is an alien dimension inhabited and presided over by the Great Ones. They are also references to the Dreamlands stories of H.P. Lovecraft, where the Dreamlands were simply another realm humans could access via dreaming, but other creatures like Ghouls could access by going underground.
And you can get vermin from waking world enemies without the rune.
>>148080438
>NPC Hunters vanish on death.
but not the AWAY AWAY townsfolk, who are non Dreaming Hunters who have joined the hunt, only to become beasts themselves
>>148080605
>And you can get vermin from waking world enemies without the rune
no you can't, the only NPCs that drop Vermin are the red eyed Hunters in the Nightmare
Oh god I just had the most horrific realization
>Gherman kills hunters in the dream when they are done with their duty so they can be free to live their lives
>He's actually unknowingly dooming them to an eternity in a literal nightmare hellscape where all hunters go after a true death because of an old curse
Fuck.
>>148078113
Whirlgig is both broken and pretty boring. Nothing interesting about it unless you enjoy holding L2 and watching people have seizures.
BOM's transform soothes my autism but it isn't that fun as a weapon, feels a lot like mashing R1 all the time
Both beast claw forms are overrated, using Vanquishers Seal in DaS2 and roll cancelling aroumd with impunity was more fun.
Parasite is just straight up boring. Its attacks are very unsatisfying, it's best used dash R1inhg around, it's fairly weak, and its attacks are pretty samey other than the vomit and the explosion.
>>148080728
Cooping a boss with a hunter equipped with Impurity means a Vermin drops for all participating hunters, regardless of covenant.
So yes, you can get Vermin in the waking world.
>>148080728
Then how come I have Vermin and haven't started the DLC?
>>148080523
Is that why there's an umbilical cord at the abandoned workshop?
>>148080872
only the Blood-Drunk Hunters go there, people like Eileen/Djura are fine
your bigger issue is trying to live a """""""normal"""""""" life as a superhuman, insight-riddled, ptsd-wracked, shell of a human
>>148081028
yes
>>148080872
Then why do you wake up to see the Yarnham sunrise?
>>148080619
No, not them. At best they get to join Ludwig's blood river. Dreaming hunters get a gravestone in the dream. That's fair enough.
But you can damn well be sure most people can pick up and wield a trick weapon, Yharnamites are filled with nasty ass monster blood.
>>148080523
I was under the impression that they were cursed with the Dream after what they did in the Fishing Hamlet.
I wanna make a bloodtinge character next, is it best to decide on using the bloodletter or chikage For a STR/BLT or SKL/BLT,? Or is it viable to go 14str 15skl 50blt?
Is there a physical downside to the HMS' tricked form? Like how the Wheel decreases your physical damage when tricked, is there a similar mechanic with the HMS, or is the tricked HMS always going to do more damage than the untricked HMS?
>>148081287
No.
the Hunter's Dream was a conception of the Moon Presence
Blood-addling and the Hunter's Nightmare is a conception of the Orphan of Kos
>>148081453
Tricked will always do more but it devours stamina so ultimately Untricked WILL do more with a single stamina bar anyway
>Gehrman (forced by MP) uses hunters to complete tasks
>eventually kills them and releases them so they no longer dream (Djura, Eileen, you)
Did each of them dream during a different hunt and were needed to make sure the people of Yharnam made it through the night? I never really got the point of what the others were doing. Evidently the Good Hunter put an end to things by offing MP but what about all the others before?
>>148081492
>the Hunter's Dream was a conception of the Moon Presence
To try and make you kill other Great Ones?
>>148081551
all of the Hunters are in a contract to find and kill Mergo.
People like Eileen and Djura had irrecovably turned away from the path that would lead them to Mergo (by hiding out in Old Yharnam, by dedicating themselves to killing other Hunters, etc.) and so they were "fired" by the MP
>>148081671
No, just Mergo. Any other dead Great Ones are just collateral damage to the goal of killing Mergo. The MP considers your Hunter's contract fulfilled even when
>Amygdala
>Ebrietas
>Celestial Emissary
>Orphan of Kos
are still alive. Kos and the Wet Nurse had to die because they were in the way
>>148077079
Pls respond to this question I've been waiting for HOURS
>>148081845
>>148081671
FUCK, I meant R O M and the Wet Nurse, excuse my retardation
>>148081551
I assume Djura was involved in whatever happened in Old Yharnam, which is refered to as having a Red Moon hanging low that night. His night probably ended with burning it all to cinders, which he felt pretty bad about and resented the concept of the hunt.
>>148081394
14,15, 50
>>148081970
Yeah it seems there was another Blood Moon before and it didn't cause the end of everything. I assumed one important Great One was killed by him or another and it went away.
>>148081845
>>148081952
>because they were in the way
Of what? All I can guess based on MP's embrace of you is that it wants Mergo and those two are in the way but it never seems to get Mergo in the end and your contract is fulfilled anyway.
Every other time you kill a Great One, you get a Nightmare Slain message, except with the Amygdalas.
Is this because all of the Amygdalas form a communal entity so you aren't really slaying a Great One, or is it because every other Great One is the source of a certain part of the Dream (Mergo with the nightmare of Mensis, Orphan with the Hunter's Nightmare, MP with the Hunter's Dream)?
>>148081887
Why not both?
>>148082089
Thanks
>>148081887
Yeah, the tricked mode is sweet.
>>148082158
>of what
it wanted Mergo to die.
Rom and the Wet Nurse had to die in order for Mergo to die, they were in the path of your Hunt, even if you didn't know it
>>148082186
Because they seem to function nearly identically outside of Amy's having arcane scaling, upgrade materials are limited, and I've already used Amy's Arm to get through the game.
Are there are any limits to off-shape gems? Can you get the cursed damp tempering off a brainsucker with low %to physical and high flat arcane damage as a circle or even droplet?
>>148082298
But we never even encounter Mergo. Also, Great Ones seem to want children. Not sure why MP would want this one dead.
>>148082158
MP wanted Mergo dead. In the end, you killed Mergo, so your contract is fulfilled. It embraces you in those two endings because you just killed Gehrman, the host of the Hunter's Dream. MP is using Hunters for it's own purposes, so it wants the Hunter's Dream to stay, so it makes you into the next host.
>>148081141
Maria went there, and she was sane to the point of dedicating eternity to guarding the hamlet in the nightmare and throwing away her weapon irl with disgust at her actions. She wasn't blood-drunk.
>>148081163
Because you wake up normal. If you were to die at this point, once actually killable, you'd be stuck in the nightmare.
>>148081551
>>148081671
>>148081845
I doubt that every hunter was employed to kill Mergo. Mergo is a BABY great one, and judging by the sheer mass of gravestones in the dream, there's been hundreds, if not thousands of hunters.
I assume MP has had several targets in the past, they're just irrelevant. He wants Mergo dead specifically this time but that doesn't mean he doesn't ALSO want say, Amygdala dead. If a real life hitman went out and killed his employer's enemy who WASN'T the contract, I'm sure he'd be grateful, but the job still isn't done.
>>148077079
Amy Arm is generally a thousand times better. Beast Cutter is too slow.
>>148082298
I don't think the "hunt" is an actual event. It's more like a personal downward spiral into madness and understanding.
Like "hunting the dragon" for doing Opium.
The good hunter is not a sane person and everything he/she sees could be different in reality.
>>148082467
>we never even encounter Mergo
anon pls, who do you think was in that stroller that the Wet Nurse was guarding? Hint: the Wet Nurse's lamp is called Mergo's Lunarium.
>Great Ones seem to want children, don't know why the MP would want this one dead
perhaps for the same reason why Yharnam (who is it's mother) is grateful to you for killing Mergo, as well -- you've ended a torturous existence in the Nightmare
>>148082265
All good. Str/Blt can also be done with 28 str but unless you can see yourself getting good use out of Church Cannon/Gatting Gun, then don't bother. Its not bad by any means but you want make the most of the stats since 28 isn't the smallest investment.
>>148082537
>implying that Maria wasn't the Host of the Hunter's Nightmare, like Gehrman was the host of the Hunter's Dream
even if this weren't true, sane Hunters can voluntarily enter the Nightmare (see: you and Simon), but only the blood-drunk are actually imprisoned there
>>148082671
the Hunt definitively is a thing, the Chapel Dweller and the Hunter Chief Emblem mention it, and the Hunt ends when the night ends. Hunters just get called out whenever the Beasts become too numerous, spend the night clearing them out, and go about their business the next day.
>>148082679
Yeah man, makes sense that the Wet Nurse is guarding the child. I'm just saying that it's never seen at all, nor is its death. Seemed like the Queen was thankful to you for killing the Wet Nurse because now Mergo could be freed, not killed. I find it hard to believe that she'd be happy that you killed her child.
>>148082930
>I'm just saying that it's never seen at all, nor is its death
well, since Mergo is most likely the child of Oedon (considering his mother's prowess with blood magic), being formless shouldn't be that much of a surprise.
also note that you only see NIGHTMARE SLAIN when Mergo's crying stops, not when the Wet Nurse falls over dead.
Also consider that the only way to be free of the Nightmare is via murder, as seen by you in the "Yharnam Sunrise" ending, and by the Orphan of Kos -- and both times, it's portrayed as an overall good thing, like ripping off a band-aid
>>148082882
So, even if the good hunter kills MP and ends the dream, there is still a beast-problem anyway?
Who will fight them?
>>148083246
>So, even if the good hunter kills MP and ends the dream, there is still a beast-problem anyway
No, because the MP is the source of the scourge in the first place.
kill the MP, no more scourge (at least in this plane of reality)
>>148083349
Question. If you kill the MP why do you become a squid and dont just, wake up?
>>148082882
Was it ever implied Simon just came there like you? I assumed he was trapped like the rest. If he doesn't dream, the fuck would he get in or out?
>>148083349
End this meme. MP is never mentioned as the source of the scourge. The scourge is brought on by abuse of the old labyrinth blood that everyone is so addicted to.
>>148083561
because you were only able to fight the MP in the first place because you had eyes on the inside of your brain (3 third cords)
becoming a squid just completed the transformation
>>148082089
Not him but would this be acceptable then?
>>148083698
Might as well add one to skill to use the Bowblade, add four to endurance, and change VIT to 45
>>148083647
>everyone wants to ascend to great one levels of power
>no one tries consuming three of the specified ONE THIRD OF an umbilical cord besides you
Suspension of disbelief broken
>>148083827
>add four to endurance
I'm guessing that's for the Bloodletter?
>>148083830
Was the one in fake iosefka always there, or did she cultivate it in herself?
What about Arianna?
>>148082174
We don't know anything about Amygdalae. I don't the Nightmare Frontier is presided over by any Great Ones like Mensis or the Hunter's Nightmare is. It's just there.
>>148083615
>MP is never mentioned as the source of the scourge
First off, there are THREE (3) lore notes that explicitly draw a connection between the MP and the Scourge
>when the Red Moon hangs low, the line between man and beast is blurred
>the Mensis ritual must be stopped, lest we all become beasts
>to escape this dreadful Hunter's Dream, halt the source of the spreading scourge of beasts, lest the Night carry on forever
The first lore note draws a clear connection between the MP (aka the Red Moon, as distinct from the Orphan, who is a yellow/shredded moon) and the Scourge
The second say that the Mensis Ritual will transform people into beasts (again, because they're summoning the MP), and the third tells you that you escape the Hunter's Dream by stopping the MPs descent by halting the Mensis Ritual (again, a connection). Saying that there's no in-game evidence to support this is flat out wrong.
Secondly, we know from the CDs that the Curse of Beasts was originally laid down upon the Pthumerians as a punishment for having bastard children without the consent of a Great One. The only Great One in the game that has any kind of Authority in this area is the MP -- it has the power to decide when all of the other Great Ones can reproduce. Therefore, the MP is the most logical Great One to get butthurt about this. Again, which corroborates the fact that the Scourge goes absolutely nuts whenever the MP draws close.
The Scourge is transmitted via the Blood in the first place because it's carried via Vermin
>inb4 Vermin aren't real
>inb4 Vermin aren't the roots of man's impurity despite this being explicitly stated in their description
>>148083227
Fair enough, that makes sense. Maybe Great Ones want their own children but want to make sure others don't get to have one?
>>148083698
That's fine overall. You can also listen to >>148083827 but 11 end with runes can work too. Military Vet is the best blt starting class since it has the lowest arc but Scion work well too.
>>148069025
Hope I'm not too late to the party.
>>148084059
I don't think it's known. Perhaps she got it through the Choir, but I don't know where they would have gotten it from.
>>148084059
both got preggers by Great Ones after the MP dropped
>>148083830
>Use to gain Insight and, so they say, eyes on the inside, although no one remembers what that truly entails -- One Third of Umbilical Cord
>although on one remembers what that truly entails
>although no one remembers
it's right there, people have forgotten how to use the damn things. Furthermore, the JP description of the cord you get off of Mergo says that the Cord ISN'T Mergo's umbilical cord, it was some random Cord that the Mensis had lying around. Instead of eating it, they poked around at it in experiments and accidentally summoned Mergo.
>>148084310
If Iosefka had used a cord on herself for eyes, it would have been consumed and therefore not usable by the player. That shit was planted in her by a Great One
>>148084153
>it has the power to decide when all of the other Great Ones can reproduce
Where can we draw this conclusion from?
>>148084467
Maybe because the big slimy cunt sends a death squad after you and your kid if you do?
>>148084310
Maybe it was fake iosefka's purpose all along to produce the chord. The choire isn't all that into personal rights as we know by UCW.
>>148084467
>when the Red Moon hangs low, the line between man and beast is blurred. And when the Great Ones descend, a womb will be blessed with a child
the other Great Ones only descend AFTER the MP does. This is corroborated by the fact that bitches don't get knocked up in-game until AFTER the Red Moon drops
>>148084153
I think you're stretching a bit. We know people turn to beasts because of the old, bad Great One blood found below the city. That doesn't necessarily mean that MP is controlling that, it may just be the presence of MP is intensifying the transformations into more horrifying and numerous beasts. Beckoning the MP can cause more and more people to turn but not because it's making it happen, it's just the effect it has on people who have been exposed to the blood.
>>148084623
If every Great One loses a child and yearns for a surrogate then it might just be simple jealousy making them try and kill one another's children. There doesn't seem to be anything that suggests other Great Ones don't try and kill their compatriots' children.
>>148084712
Being a harbinger doesn't necessarily make you a leader.
>>148084763
and why aren't you questioning why the MP and only the MP has this weird effect whereby it's presence sends the scourge into overdrive? why aren't you questioning why the two have such a close relationship, among all of the cosmic entities in the game? why isn't that registering "this might be evidence of a causal relationship" signals in your head?
What is /bbg/'s opinion of The Paleblood Hunt?
>>148085152
I like it. But its not (only) stating facts. Its an opinion.
What do you guys think about hunters with scars? Do you prefer your characters scarless?
>>148085152
Haven't read it myself, but from what I've heard, the parts where it covers things that are established (lore and such) are good, but the speculative segments are apparently comically bad.
>>148085000
Nothing suggests they do either. We meet almost every single Great One during the game and they're all just chilling doing their own thing besides One Reborn (who is created by Micolash and company from random kidnapped victim's body parts in order to take over the world) and MP himself.
Speaking of One Reborn, did Micolash only pull off the initial ritual stuff recently? Because the kidnappers were active until the middle of the night, and they're explicitly carrying out his will to kidnap people to pull off the ritual to begin with. Can he communicate with people outside of the nightmare to organize something like that, or did he himself only enter it that night?
>>148085000
>Being a harbinger doesn't necessarily make you a leader.
it's certainly plausible, considering that there are Great Ones like Oedon who are literally omnipresent, and could do whatever they wanted at any time if there wasn't someone holding them back. If the Blood Moon wasn't a stop/go signal, why wait? You exist only in voice and are inhabiting these women's bodies in every second of every day
>>148085416
the One Reborn is not a Great One, that was a failed experiment
>did Micolash only pull off the initial ritual stuff recently
it's implied that the Ritual has been in preparation for a long-ass time, since the Yahargul set mentions that kidnappers have been around for a while. What you see in-game was probably the equivalent of last-minute prep
>did he himself only enter it that night
he entered the Nightmare a long ass time ago, and so did the dozens of people who went with him. Try and count how many mummified cage heads are around Yahargul, along with Micolash
What's a good chest piece to go with the crow mask? I'm using the cainhurst armor and it is so close to working well with the mask but it's not quite there.
>>148085674
Ashen hunter
>>148085135
It's the only one we know of that has this effect. That doesn't make it authoritative in any way. Every Great One we've seen has been wildly different and possessing different abilities. Add that to the fact that there is very little that we know about them. You don't have enough to go on to make the assertion that it's some kind of leader or controller.
>>148085750
I'll go rustle that one up. The Yharnam Hunter works pretty good by the way.
>>148085674
>liking the crow mask
DUMB
POINTY
HAT
>>148085674
If you're a gril, Crow Mask + Yharnam Hunter Garb looks really plague doctor-ish.
>>148085456
A whole variety of factors, one being the fact that you could be thwarted by rampaging hunters. If you're omnipresent, why not wait for a better opportunity? There's no time limit. Especially if you exist only in voice and are inhabiting these women's bodies in every second of every day
>>148085780
>It's the only one we know of that has this effect. That doesn't make it authoritative in any way
Anon pls
if there wasn't an explicit lore note that stated that Rom was hiding the Mensis Ritual, would you try and legitimately argue that it wasn't responsible for the obscuring of the Mensis Ritual, and that hiding arcane rituals was just coincidentally "a part of it's unique powers?"
use your basic powers of common sense, here
>it's not the MP, it could just be some vague unspecified Great One that's never mentioned in the story and thus would make 0 narrative sense
ok lol, that is technically true
>>148085938
>one being the fact that you could be thwarted by rampaging hunters
"so to keep my potential child safe, I'm going to wait for Arianna to leave her locked home, travel to a church with a half dozen shady motherfuckers, and wait to get her pregnant until the whole town gets nuked with beasts and she's out in the open with a bunch of insane blood-drunk killers, hunters, werewolves, and eldrich abominations"
Genius
>>148086126
>narrative sense
In a game full of holes and unexplained situations.
Looking at the evidence, you simply do not have enough to prove what you're stating. It seems to be on way but, once again, no hard evidence. That leaves a lot of possibilities and it's not even counting the fact that the nature of the being you're talking about are virtually unknowable by human minds.
How do I get to Queen Yharnam quickly? I've done Pthumeru, Central Pthumeru but now I'm locked out of Lower Pthumeru because I don't have ritual blood (3).
These dungeons are fucking boring.
>>148086365
Or wait for a completely different night since I am literally omnipresent and am not restrained by time or space in any way whatsoever.
>>148086654
yeah, those are nights in which the Blood Moon isn't dropping (otherwise they wouldn't be nice and safe), so thanks for proving my point
>>148086609
are you going into the side rooms and grabbing the loot? there's tons of mats in there that people don't bother collecting because they just want to rush the boss.
Roll and get your Bloodborne waifu :
1 The Doll
2 Lady Maria
3 Eileen The Crow
4 Vicar Amelia
5 Annalise, Vileblood Queen
6 Arianna The Whore
7 Sister Adella
8 Iosefka
9 Not-Iosefka
0Gascoigne's daughters
Well, Bloodtinge build was summarily disappointing. Is pure Strength any good?
>>148086609
You really do just have to scrounge around for details. It sucks, I know, but once they're done, they're done.
>>148086535
possibilities like what?
>it's not the MP, it's someone we've never met and will never meet because it doesn't make sense on purpose guys!!!
please actually try
>>148086835
yes
>>148086820
Rollan for anything but vilecuck sluts
>>148086706
>Less pirates means high global temperature
This is going over your head because you do not understand causality or what actually constitutes proof.
>>148086820
roll for Not-Iosefka
>>148087026
ooh too bad
>>148086820
Fuck it, rolling.
>>148086835
Strength gets weapons like the Whirly, Kirk, Beast Claw, CUTTAH and Wheel, all of which are fun.
>>148087036
>Blood Moon drops
>city goes to hell and becomes dangerous as fuck because of the associated EXPLOSION of beast transformations and all of the townsfolk losing their minds
>n-no, the Red Moon falling doesn't indicated danger!
did you have to go to school and learn how to be this stupid, or are you just a prodigy?
Reminder that the last time the Red Moon was confirmed to have fallen, Old Yharnam had to be burned to the ground
>>148087118
>Wheel
Strength doesn't get this, to use the fun aspects of it well you should go strength arcane or you should vitgouge.
>Beast Claw
>Whirly
Not fun
>The ritual draws the moon in low, against it's will.
>Men become lunatics as a result. The MP has no way of stopping this. (not unlike how the brain in the nightmare frenzies you just by seeing it, but in the dark it is actually relatively friendly)
>Rom hides the ritual
>MP basically sends you to kill Rom and stop the ritual.
>>148087291
>I got the doll
One of the worst ones
>>148087291
>Beast Claw
>Not Fun
Get out of this thread.
what's the best fashion to go with ayy lmao mode?
>>148087432
Genuinely is not that fun.
>>148086820
>tfw tried to /tg/ dice roll
Post weapons that struggle to get you through the game
>>148087268
My point from the beginning was your claim that MP was some type of interdimensional birth control is baseless.
I'm not surprised you went completely off track though.
>The next BB DLC will introduce Oedon as the final boss.
Get hype
>>148087304
>but in the dark it is actually relatively friendly
now I feel like shit
>>148086820
Rollan
>>148086882
>>148086809
I did some side rooms, they did give ritual bloods but nowhere near enough. Do I have to do other chalices too and get them from there?
>>148088454
Pro tip: Don't reply to tripfags. Nothing good can come of it. Refer to >>148079945
>>148088454
The thing was malformed and imperfect from the start, you basically put it out of its misery.
>always make fun of people that have trouble with Ebrietas since she's easy as hell
>she's a chalice dungeon boss
>she keep two-shotting me
I'm so sorry bros.
>>148088212
>The next BB DLC
I want to believe.
>>148087730
Good luck you fucking pedo, cause Gascoigne will sure as hell come after you and chop off your dick.
>>148088212
Moon Presence - The Hunter's Dream
Kos/Orphan of Kos - The Hunter's Nightmare
Oedon - The Hunter's Apparation/Illusion?
>>148088668
Some enemies drop materials, too. You really need to scour every corner.
>>148077745
It's a curious addiction and a peculiar madness, symptoms may include a steady flow of god-grade fan art.
>>148088752
>>148087304
The fuck was it anyway? Another experiment of theirs?
>>148088790
kek you actually sound mad m8
>>148069993
>>148070156
>>148070528
You will bend. The knee.
>>148089206
The way I understand it, they just found it in the Nightmare, but it was basically retarded. I used to think it was a failed attempt as evolution, but I'm not so sure.
>>148089173
Post the one at Cainhurst with the two Executioners staring down the one Vileblood as one of their members lies dead in the snow.
>>148089260
Not mad, just pity. Cause you will have to face Gascoigne again, this time with justified rage on you.
>>148087730
>>148088790
>"M-Mister Hunter? What are you... No, mum and dad told me not to! Not until I'm older! Please, Mister Hunter, stop..!"
>>148088454
It was rotten and lined with evil eyes anon, helpless in the dark abyss. Slaughter the accursed relic and claim the nematode worm within its core.
>>148089401
not my favorite but one of the best.
>>148089512
>tfw no fanart of Gascoigne's elder & younger daughter.
How do I dodge the charge attack Ebrietas does? It hits me no matter what direction I dodge and it take ~66% of my health. If she didn't have that attack, this fight would be a cakewalk.
>>148089713
Too great, thanks.
Feel free to dump.
>>148089925
k
>>148090161
>>148090421
>>148085339
Depends on your character RP, if you do that. I'm about to make an ex-noble chick that will be clean and scarless, but an experienced and traveled hunter will definitely have some scars
Why did the executioners slaughter the Vilebloods when the Chikage and the Reiterpallasch were both better weapons than the Logarius Wheel?
>>148090650
>>148090795
Because PURITY.
>>148089918
Dash the the side as late as possible
It will probably hit you about half of the time no matter what. It cannot be dodged at certain ranges. Ebrietas is honestly a pretty shitty boss fight.
>>148090850
>>148090904
>Ebrietas is honestly a pretty shitty boss fight.
You can say that again.
Can you perform a visceral on her? Sometimes she'll drop her head after I do a decent chunk of DPS but it won't do the visceral on her. Is it just not a thing with her?
>>148091024
I think you can visceral her, but viscerals are generally not completely consistent in BB.
>>148091006
>>148090795
wheel dash spam strong
>>148091143
Gascgoine now?
>>148091143
>>148091235
no
>>148091314
Alright keep posting your waifu.
>>148091024
Bosses like Ebby and One Reborn take much more damage on the head/human body than anywhere else so exposing their weak spot is what you get in lieu of a visceral
>>148091314
>>148091024
Keep in mind that when I say dash to the side, pick a side to strafe first and then dash in the same direction at the last moment
>>148091443
>>148091421
yessuh
>>148091426
>>148091542
Anyone want to hop in and give me hand? The NPC is garbage.
This is Isz by the way. I've never had trouble with her in the normal game.
>>148091563
>>148091563
>>148091660
I have a character there, i'll give you a hand if you want
>>148091919
What sort of horrible person kills Ebrietas
>>148092084
>>148092071
If you don't mind. Password: bbg
>>148092197
Me.
