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>Official runescape 2017 survey time
http://services.runescape.com/m=news/a=579/runescape-2017-survey--now-live?jptg=ia&jptv=community_news
>I've been inactive, what did I miss over the past x years
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Update:Game_updates
>Latest Update
services.runescape.com/m=news/4th-july-event--vic-the-trader-is-back--patch-notes?jptg=ia&jptv=community_news
>Latest Patch Notes
http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/l=0/sl=0/forums.ws?15,16,461,65809432
>Money Making Guide
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Mmg
>Gear Guide (Very outdated)
http://services.runescape.com/m=itemdb_rs/gear_guide
>July's BTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfiCN62Xd_o [Embed]
>gwd2 bosses are on the level of nex, but less complex mechanics
>first time twin sluts
The wiki is bullshit. Or jagex. Probably both.
Dead, like the Occult floors
>>147785972>I would say it's the wiki's
>tfw you finally get the smithing level to process all that runite from slayer/tasks on your ironman
>can't kill spider
>qbd takes me 2:20
>no yak to cam gwd1 bosses
>gwd2 bosses are too annoying
I should stake. PvM is shit.
Do I have enough charms to reach 96?
>>147790881
hahahahaha
not even close
>>147790881
Far from it, more slayer
>>147790881
Those charms will get you:
>Using gold charms, making Arctic bears: 90 Summoning
>Using green charms, making Unicorns: Still 90 Summoning
>Using crimsons, making swamp titans: Still at 90
>Using blues, making geyser titans: 91 with 5.9m xp.
So no, far from it
>>147790881
Why do you have no charms? Are you doing 3x charms every week + WF task/high end slayer mob?
What are you doing right now /rsg/?
>>147793531
I've just been picking up charms when ever I can.
>>147793651
Max'ing at my clan citadel
Browsing /trash/ and /pol/ because of happenings
>>147793839
>Picking up
Get charming imp you cretin, then put him on your toolbelt.
>>147795398
but I've never dungoneered.
>>147796320
then get started
how do I 72-90 thieving without wanting to kill myself. These menaphites are awful.
>>147796784
Just do coching volunteers.
Or the pyramid.
>>147796784
Snake bite simulator is probably your best bet
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0AHm8OWTlbO
I can finally start leveling invention.
Yay.
>>147803102
>waits until amnesty to start training invention
shitter
>>147803314
I just started yesterday.
>>147796784
monkey knifefighters to 89 or 90, abyssal lurker to boost for elves
Would you go out with me?
>runecrafting nature runes through abyss
>hit teleport
>haven't seen any players near edgeville since I'm on a us server at midnight
>see loading screen for abyss
>client gets stuck on loading screen
>kill client
>log back in
>somehow I'm dead
>had just bought a second demonic skull or whatever for muh bonus exp
cool game jagex
>>147804178
no respectable person would go out with someone who has that few QP
>>147804178
I don't go out with people that don't lock their ui
>>147799895
it's like no matter how inactive I am people still somehow find a way to include me in their shitpostingsolid ending tho very well done
>>147804178
>1366
>unlocked gui
>hasn't efficiently laid out their gui for a tiny screen
>didn't set taskbar icons to small for more screen space
0/10 would not bang
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0nyYV8SqQ3i
>>147804178
probably, but would you in turn go out with an hardcore ironman? that would be impossible
daily reminder oldschool runescape is way better than your shitty ezpz scape
How do I farm bonus xp for Vic? Should I get in a clan?
>>147805334
Do Barb Assault hardmode
>>147805358I've played for twelve years and have never done it
>>147805164
kys
>>147805420
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IlLcsZyJCX
>>147805232
love can cross any barrier
>>147805334
buy keys goy
...I mean guy
I have 3 pieces of the sous chef outfit, 250 credits, and 79 cooking. Would it be better to buy another sous chef piece or advanced pulse cores? I'm not exactly sure how advanced pulse cores work
>>147805901
Get the lamps.
>What kind of aestethic do you want senpai
>Give me the "ooga booga" look
>Say no more
www.tw1tch.tv/ponypuffarnjessica/profile
That bio is depressing as fuck. I'm seriously considering donating her 100M next time she streams, since she doesn't take actual donations. Someone talk some sense into me
>NXT
Almost every NPC looks like this.
>>147806186
Get any post-1800 computer if you want to run NXT you osrsfag
>>147806340
I don't play OSRS.
I still use NXT over Java because I get better performance, even with all the bugs on Linux.
>>147806340
this happens all the time on various computers no matter their age or os
it only goes away if you restart the client or just keep playing for awhile
>>147806120
>when my heart began fiddling and my valves to the heart stopped working and I had an emergency surgery for my heart to survive
confirmed shit genes, not breeding material
>The sadness made me eat to forgett and that made me fat
confirmed burger
>But then a boy moved in beside me and he accepted me for who i was
confirmed used goods
>but eventually everything went bad again when my mom and dad where in a car crash and died.
confirmed no inheritance
>My interests are Clothes and
confirmed money sink
She's pretty qt tho, assuming that pic isn't recent
>>147804229
fuck it happened again
it turns out the loading screen gets stuck and doesn't cleared until I press escape
>>147806407
This never goes away for me, and the black effect holds for many inventory icons, and other things in the game. Everything is full black if I tick the "textures" box in the settings.
I assumed it was a Linux issue because I've never seen anyone else talk about it.
>>147806519
I also run linux >>147804537 and run into it, but it doesn't happen all the time for me. On my laptop I keep textures off, even though they don't lower performance that much. On my desktop I run it at ultra sans AA, AO and lower render distance.
Just how big are runes, actually?
Are they waffle-sized? CD-sized? Can they be held within a closed fist?
>>147806674
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Runes
Probably the size of small, flat stones
>>147806674
Handspan sized if cutscenes with runes are to be trusted
>killing ice stryks
>>147807103
>99 summoning
absolute madman
>>147806674
Know it's probably not canon, but in the books, one character carries a few runes in a pouch around the size of a money pouch, so probably palm sized, I'd assume.
>>147804178
I'dhug you and treat u right
>>147805751
well sure then i guess, i dont care if youre some roleplaying neckbeard, i could really use a friend who plays the game either way
ingame is brokenborn
>There are people who weren't able to get 99 Invention before the xp amnesty lifted.
Only excuse is if you didn't have the requirements when the skill came out.
>>147810261
>not getting 120
Kek
femto doesn't pay for death in gp
>>147812075
no one can polish a bone like I can
What's the best location to mine myself 240 adamantite ores I need for a challenge?
Can't seem to find my way into Dorf City.
>>147812787
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Adamantite_rock
Dunno what you've all got unlocked, so pick from there.
put scavenging perk on slayer gear like ports weapons and sunspear y/n?
>>147815136
actually forget the sunspear I usually disassemble it at 10 anyway
Why does Jagex have this "Earn runecoins" shit? It has never worked for me and all the sites that offer free runecoins are marked as Unsafe
Just how bad is the penatly I'd get if I'm using a magic weapon with melee armor?
Need to get to 55 for hAlch
>>147816756
you will almost always splash
just get some shitty gear like batwing or mystic or somethingI hope you don't plan on training mage solely with alching
>>147807103
I've seen people use sup elite void at abbysals / dank beasts.
>>147816892
>I hope you don't plan on training mage solely with alching
I ain't combat-levelling that shit nigga
>>147817075
it's not 2005 anymore, you don't have to teleport to camelot or alch for hours on end to level up magic now
>>147817075
have fun with your abysmal exp rates
>PENDING
>PENDING
>PENDING
i have honestly never seen a company so bad at taking my money
>>147810261>feels good to already have 105 inv
>>147810261
I though it was lifted the 28th.
Goddammit.
Lazyness is such a curse.
>>147817075
>alching for xp in 2016
how come the majority of you fags are playing rs3?
>>147819991
Because grinding for high tier stuff is better than grinding low tier stuff like runescape used to be.
>>147819991
>quests and lore
>rushing based pvp is for children
>eoc is actually better than afkscape
>botting is for shitters
>reddit is bad
>can read
>not retarded
>fun
>>147819991
dunno, i just gave eoc a shot a few weeks ago and i actually really like it
>>147820732
>2013
>Everyone is buzzing about osrs being a thing
>Can't wait to play it
>Decide to check out eocscape in the meantime, start a new character
>By the time osrs is available I realize I don't want to play it anymore.
>Stick with eocscape from then onor at least until the html5 client hit, at which point I quit again for two years.
Nearly maxed now though.
>>147821201
>html5 client hit
I forgot that that was a thing.
I'm amazed they managed to make NXT so fast after dumping it too.
Then again I know nothing about coding other than a bit of java.
>open up account after not playing for years
>somehow at 37 dungeoneering despite never getting past the third floor because it'sboring
>>147819991
>I already have one maxed account on RS3
>I don't want to start all over on OSRS
>>147819991
I looked at both games when I was about to resub and I much prefer a game that isn't stuck in the past.
I want to chain kill frost dragons with a bonecrusher to get 92 prayer. What will do the fastest damage with melee : Korasi + Jessika or Sunspear?
>tfw kinda enjoy the quest stories but nevertheless end up forgetting the plot of most if not all after some time
>>147823235
Sunspear (spear) will.
The void knight swords have t75 stats.
Sunspear (spear) has t78.
>>147823607
yeah, but dual wield has better single target abilities, right? that's why i'm not sure if going 2hand is worth three level of stats
I mean, I will test it out later anyway
>>147823685
it's not
why the fuck can't I buy a single summoning potion in GE, even going as far as 10% above the price
>>147824089
buy flask?
Can I still access an altar if I use its respective rune on the wicked hood?
>>147819991
>be trying out osrs 10 minutes ago
>haven't really done anything with my account on there, decide to skill
>can't cut trees or mine fucking anywhere because bots are infesting all the spots
>runecraft for a while to afford something decent
>you can't sell this item until your account is older
>close game
>>147824147
nobody makes them. buy super restore potions instead
>>147824147
they're much more expensive compared to normal pots. this is just weird, i've never had any problem buying summoner potions but now for two days I can't even buy a single one
>>147824171
>rune
Meant talisman
>>147824283
yes, that's the point of the wicked hood.
also make sure to use an omnitalisman and an elemantal talisman, they both unlock additional features
>>147824089
>make them yourself>that's what I do if no one's selling something
>>147824206
super restores don't restore familiar points though, right? it's why I need summoning potions
>>147824852
They do restore summoning points.
>>147824890
I think he means the special move points, which the restores don't restore
>>147825000
What kind of shitter actually brings summoning potions with them for the 15% special attack?
Just how uncommon are uncommon drops, exactly?
>>147825130>they're not common to get
>>147825130
they're infrequent
>>147825104
i'm just using summoning potions to make money through fruit bat. makes me about 2.7m/hr with my shitty stats
>>147825386
Look in to siphon self scrolls, better gp / hr for the same retardation.
>>147825130
>uncommon
>>147823327
Just read the previous quests on the wiki
Or ask us for an abridged version
Which are the best skills that are in the 60s-70s range to train on f2p worlds?
>>147817075
>literally just stand in the abyss and press a few buttons every few minutes
>>147830352
N/A
>>147830650:(
for West
wake up
>>147834182
>>147834285
out of all of the species in runegame, which would you most like to fug?
Have as a gf?
And you have to use the most graphically updated version, so no qt elves.
>>147835668
>have had a spiritual mage task for the past 3 days
ahhhh
>>147835668
I'd probably fug a seasinger. I like to think they'd smell like the beach
>>147836585
they look like they smell like fish
>>147835668
>tfw you'll never cuddle with K'ril
Post power couples.
Seren and Zaros
Jessika and KorasiZanik and you
>>147836402
just skip it nigga
>>147839576
it's seren and guthix
>>147839928
threesome with dead guy, crystaltits and autism man when
>>147839576
Haguro and Fin :3
>>147839576
Bartin and Outer Path
I just started training invention, should I use all my points to craft the slayers rings for parts? Or should I save them for something else?
Is it worth bringing a Ring of Wealth to Barrows against a Berserker ring? I don't really struggle to kill them but I'm not exactly tearing through them either so I don't think the strength bonus would hurt.
>>147842282
yes
>>147842241
slayer helm & upgrades>everything else>If you have excess points then sure
>>147842241
if it's enhancing comps for augmentors you need and you haven't gotten all the other good slayer rewards, make lightbulbs (if you have 87 craft) with molten glass and disassemble those, very low junk chance
>>147842650
I have exactly 300 points. I like keeping left over points so I can skip shit tasks like lavalstryke.
>You can just buy ogleroots
This'd have made training hunter way easier 2bh
>>147843825
what did they mean by this
>>147844113
Talk to vinesweeper farm woman, buy ogleroots.
>>147844208
but why?
that sounds like a boring way to train hunter, and hunter is comfy
>>147844318
Hunter is a shit skill.
>>147844318
Its the fastest way to train it till level 30 or something
>hunter is comfy
Disgusting
Is switching worlds so that you no longer have to wait for resources to respawn bannable?
>>147845375
no why would it be
>>147845490
I assume it's sorta abusing the way the game works to the player's benefit, which is why I was asking.
>>147845375
people do this all the time with the harmonised rune rocks in prif
there's entire fc's for it
>tfw want to play Runegame but also start feeling like playing WoW and at the very least get myself a maxxed toon
>Don't have enough time to sate my autistic cravings
>>147847750
>playing WoW
why would you play a shit game responsible for ruining quests and lore delivery for all eternity?
>>147848257
>can play a dorf
>can transmog cool-looking equipment without giving your shekels to bingbongs
>levelling doesn't take forever
>lore is kind of cool
Don't get me wrong, I like Runescape and believe it has its upsides compared to World of "Gather me 8 bear asses" but I still think the latter's worth a shot.
>>147848504
>>lore is kind of cool
cheese > demons that want to destroy everything for some reason I don't know
>>147848634
>cheese
Is this a new meme? Should be.
>>147848634
>demons that want to destroy everything for some reason I don't know
To be honest we do have a few characters pursuing this type of thing too. Sliske and Zamorak to a degree.
>>147849028
Zim zam's philosophy actually sort of makes sense, like in the way that war begets technological advancement and curing one disease usually cures others.
Sliske's just a memelord, or was, until kindred spirits.
Now it is revealed he sucks the dick of someone who may or may not be incorporeal.
>>147849028
>zamorak
>wanting to destroy everything
>>147849227
>>>>>>>>to a degree
>>147848806
>159 posts
>35 unique posters
why is our game so dead?
>>147849840
it's usually at around 100 by bump limit
>>147849840
If a game has a 4ching general that manages to stay afloat in most instances it's anything but dead senpai.
Are XP potions made out of the Anima Mundi?
>>147850910
No, they're made ofcumimbued with knowledge.
If I'm feeling the urge to get back into the game (last played around EOC), should I do it or should I run from the hills and stay free
>>147851213
If you enjoyed it before you should enjoy it now.
>>147851213
quests
>>147851213
run for the hone of us one of us
So I got a kalphites task and don't have enough points to cancel it because I just bought the ability to put my chimp on my belt.
How 2 into KQ?
I also want the pet.
Somehow I find it qt, even though I abhor wasps.
>playing the games I bought from Steam summer sale
>gets bored after 30 minute
>switch game
>gets bored
>comes back to runescape
>shitpost on rsg
Should have bought that 3 month membership when it was on offer instead of giving gabe my neetbux
>>147851927
>forgot to post stats
fug
Weps are gwd2 t85s, have lance, not slutblades, and using wand of the furry/attuned crystal orb for mage.
Greg's chuuni things are my ranged wep.
Armor is the offensive gwd2, though wiki says poorpriest is good because you need to use multiple styles.
>There will never be a CKII or EU4 Gielinor mod
>>147852621
>runegame will never be to scale and first person full dive vr
I want to molest the twin sluts after i beat them in a trial of combat
>>147852621
Sucks, everyone has a CKII/EUIV mod
>>147852840
How would you design it if you were to make it though?
seems annoying or hard
>>147852950
There's a Warcraft EU4 mod out there (which is what gave me the idea in the first place) and they've done a pretty good job of transferring the universe in the game's mechanics.
Runescape would be way simpler to mod given the smaller scale and reduced amount of religions.
>>147853138
>Warcraft
Warcraft's story is a lot simpler.
All of runegame's wars have lasted around 10000 years, with multiple factions dying and reforming within them.
It's been over a week since I won 200m on TH and I still don't know what to do with it.
I've just invested 1M in Misc, and have been buying supplies to do dailies but keeping the rewards to sell back.
I'm still at 217M
Should I get prayer up? Herblore? Summoning? Buy any weapons? I only have tier 70 power armors and dual drygore maces.
Any important misc. items? teleport tabs? literally anything?
>>147853229
Eh, shit, you're not wrong.
>>147853296
prayer > herby
get t80 power armor maybe
also get lance or sell drypoors and get scythe
>>147853296
95 prayer/96 herb/max/t90 weps for all styles
>>147853296
If you like combat, get 96 herb, summ, and 95 prayer. You can buy the supplies now and wait for double xp in a few months if you want to conserve your cash stack. Use gwd2 range/mage until you have the money for t90 in those styles. Once you have those you can move onto armor/misc items.
>>147853296
I would do it in this order : Soulsplit > Overloads > Turmoil > Yak. I don't know how each cost though
might also want to keep a fraction of this money to learn to flip. like say, 20million? just to get the hang of it. it's a really nice way to make money when you've got a large amount
I'm crystallizing teaks right now for woodcutting
others have suggested arctic pines, though. which is really better?
>>147852317
>no advice
oh well
>first kill
WHY WAS THIS NOT THE PET
I HAVE SUCH BAD GOOD LUCK
>>147854832
AM I BEING RUSED HERE?
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
>>147853713
>20mil for flipping
I wouldn't start with anything less than 50m to flip t90s.
Usually around 500k-2m profit per item.
>>147855545
Kq head isn't that rare, pet starts off at 1 in 2500 chance to get it. Have fun :)))
>>147853649
When is double XP event for Runescape?
( I already have the Illumination Aura, just curious since there was a DXP last year.)
>>147856763
Last DXP was around February.
I'd like to thank runespan for depainfulizing what used to be the second most painful skill to level for me.
So what's the deal with combat in EOC? Can you just do everything with momentum? Can you get away with just using one hotbar per combat style?
Also, how does the EOC population compare to the OSRS population?
>>147859004
>how does the EOC population compare to the OSRS population?
EOCfags are fewer but they've proven themselves to be autistic enough to predict that they'll be playing for longer than the OSRS nostalgiafags.
>>147859004
>Can you just do everything with momentum?
>Can you get away with just using one hotbar per combat style?
Pretty much until you start doing the high level pvm where you might need to adjust your bars for some bosses. Make sure to manually hit thresholds and ultimates though
>how does the EOC population compare to the OSRS population
Depending on who you ask its either around the same, greater than OSRS due to OSRS' bot problems or slightly lower than OSRS.
>>147859004
Momentum is shit. You can't use abilities.
Yes, I usually have 1 hotbar for melee, ranged and magic and a second one buffs like freedom, anticipate and prayers.
>>147859191
>>147859004
Oh shit, I misread it as revolution, just play on revolution and it basically plays itself.
>>147859004
>Can you just do everything with momentum?it's being removed in a future patch
so if i have ferocious rings fused into my slayer helm, do i get the bonus damage? if so, is it doubled if i also wear a ferocious ring?
Hey guys guess who did 300% Enrage Araxxor?
>>147861247
You?
>>147861247
Congratulation
you're as good as anyone who finished nomad's elegy
>>147861480
THREE HUNDRED PERCENT ENRAGE
>>147861480
i remember doing release nomad at level 105 or some shit
shit was hard
I did it
I got 89 mining
yay
>>147863115
now to get 99.
and 99 smithing.
Did the update that made certain spells use the make-x/continue working till your inventory is processed effect superheat?
>chaos tunnels scan clue
J U S T
U
S
T
How often do GWD2 bosses drop gear? I've gone 93 vindicta kills without anything special
>>147864363
make sure to get the rep things
come on guys don't let this shit die
>>147868091
Anyone with 28+ Fletching willing to craft me a Dungeoneering staff real quick? I can pay but I don't have much money :/
>>147868802
sure, name and place?
>>147868935
right in the middle of Demonheim world 3?
>Accidentally click req assist while trying to examine someone
>Have heart attack
>"The other player is busy at the moment"
shoe & barb gril
am i pretty?
43 kills and I only need just 1 more piece until I can make a Nox staff
>>147871305
iron man?
>>147871305
>bank capacity cap for members' stuff at 303
there's a new free booster in solojew's store breh
>want to make an ironmeme because autistic
>can barely maintain a bond on normal let alone doing it on ironman
I wish I was good at runegame
Is Dharok's shit now, or can it still be used for training?
Am I just better off using Guthan's?
>>147871105
no, put some pants on you faggot
>>147871105
>average british schoolboy
how do i make money?
>>147874965
post stats anon
>>147875170
maxed
>>147875346
>maxed
>asking how to make money
lmao you're a fucking loser
>>147875346
buy gold from the chinese
>>147875346
Broad arrowheads
Ports
Flasks
i have lv 80 summoning and like 40k gold charms, should i use them or would it be more efficient to spend that time to acquire crimsons and train with those instead?
>>147877823
I mean if you have them why not use them?
And then get crimsons too?
If you have chimp charms aren't that much of a pain in the ass.
When does jagex plan on releasing a new quest?
>>147878460
We just got a quest, and a miniquest along with the first bit of the eastern lands is soon.
:^3
What are the colors and symbols of the /rsg/ clan cape?
I'm thinking about finding a better clan to be in for the custom cape
>>147878460
we got a quest like two weeks ago, hold onto your panties.
>>147881605
We have green and purple, honestly just get a max cape and recolor that.
>>147881605
>taking a break from getting 99 runecrafting by bankstanding herblore
this isn'tfun
>>147883985
>bankstanding herby
how and why
just make 2.5k overloads
>>147884067
by bankstanding I mean just sitting at the bank and using shit I bought
>overloads
what is this
>>147884220
>what is this
untradable level 96 potions that raise your stats to a constant level for 6ish minutes.
They're made of extremes, and torstol.
The extremes are also untradable so you have to make them yourself, if you start at level 88 and make around 2500 of each type of extreme then use the god emissaries banner to boost you can get 97ish herby easy.
It's expensive as fuck, but it means you won't run out of overloads for bossing almost ever.
finally my ironman can make himself a rune scimitar
>>147884514
I'm at 47 herb, getting to 57 so I can complete fairy tale 2
>>147884620
at least the economy completely crashing come rework wont hurt him, and he can get some nice free t90s.
>>147884668
autism harder
>>147884740
i'm not too excited about the rework actually. I read that they will greatly reduce the high alching of rune things and I don't know how much they plan on reworking the drop tables
>>147884740
>autism harder
teach me
>>147885152
Your stats are actually pretty well balanced which is good.
I'd focus on getting combat up, especially prayer and summon.
You will need money for a lot of things.
Farming is pretty useful, and profitable if you do herb runs
Runecrafting can also be good for money, but is a real soulsucker. Nats and astrals are the profitable ones, or at least they were.
It's been a long time since I was low leveled, so I'm not all too sure about anything more than that.
Also make sure to do quests, they are actually useful, andfun.
>>147885075
>I don't know how much they plan on reworking the drop tables
Most likely not at all, you know how they are.
>trying to buy a 5k item from GE
>for some reason it will only buy at 8k
am I getting meme'd? did someone buy all fucking exemplars and is selling them 3k above?
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>I'd focus on getting combat up, especially prayer and summon.
I don't really like to focus on prayer unless I'm doing slayer, since buying fucktons of bones is expensive
>You will need money for a lot of things.
I've been good with money, I've got around 2m in gold+assets
>Farming is pretty useful, and profitable if you do herb runs
I've been doing oranges and willows in the background, and herbs as well if I get around to it
>Runecrafting can also be good for money, but is a real soulsucker. Nats and astrals are the profitable ones, or at least they were.
I want 99 so bad, but I can barely manage 100k xp a day since it's so tedious, even in the runespan
>Also make sure to do quests, they are actually useful, andfun.
I recently finished the legacy of seergaze so I could do blood runes, it was kind of fun, but a lot of quests seem to be hard and time consuming if you don't reference the wiki
I got two accounts and just use this one to make money. What would you do with these stats? I prefer semi-afk methods like making canonballs if there's any other good ones
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gargoyles?
is there a efficient way to combine all these into 4's or do I have to just sell them like they are?