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Vanilla Angband Comp(until July 6)
Elf Warrior with a permacursed Deathwreaker:
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php
Junethack is ongoing for the rest of June: https://junethack.net/
DCSS Trunk Updates:
http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-12-june-2016
>FAQ and What to Play
FAQ: http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34
What to Play?: http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f
>Webterminal
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http://roguenex.us
>Individual Game Pastas
http://pastebin.com/pkf1qnuZ
Old Thread: >>145825603
>>145929653
>OP isn't amy
ohio do ur best etc
>>145929813
>120 damage melee hit
Amy I love you and want you to have my babies
>>145929908
I D E N T I Q U A F F
>>145929908
>not playing that one specific trunk version where juggernauts have a single 120 damage melee instead of two at 80 and 40
i bet you hate fun
>>145929914
well meme'd, anon
may you and your orb take it easy together forevermore
>>145929986
pff, I bet you don't even play itemless MuCK with turn 1 god abandonment while wearing nipple clamps.
First for Chei.I really need to clean up my images. I always mix the two up. That win is super old and isn't even supposed to be in that folder.
>>145929976
identiquaff depends on game obviously
it's fine in crawl, sort of ok in nethack but you should really price-id and buc test first, incredibly dumb in angband (just use ?ID, and anyways there really IS a potion of death)
>>145930178
Your pic disappeared, so I'm reposting it for you.
>>145930408
he deleted it out of shame, anon
>>145930226
What a fucking faggot.
I'm glad I turned you into a grid bug.
>>145930408
>2cat
>not a dwarf
shame
shame
shame
>>145930408
>that turncount
take it
What's better - two-by-swords for base damage, or cudgels for techniques?
>>145930408
T-thanks, I guess. Like I said, that win is super old and I didn't really mean to post it. Posting old wins is really lame.
>>145930647
cudgels are more dps anyways because of RAPIDU STRIKU
>>145929653
>these garbage op images
Come on.
What a lucky find.
>>145930731
Naicu.
Also, ironically it seems like kimonos are one of the best items of clothing for heat coverage.
Additionally, manhacks can suck a dick
>>145930931
Good feedback. I'll take it into consideration, anon.
>>145931114
post the id when you have the cash
>>145930647
Knife spear (or forked if you really want to grind those skills). To me reach kiting is better than everything else you can make early on unless you start with a martial art.
>>145931114
>>145931451
jesus
is that from the very first rogue of the thief quest?
wtf. enjoy your free reaching level 25
>>145931451
hey, +3 speed ain't bad
>>145931407
I'm dicking around with the pains of a lab challenge so unfortunately no knife-spear but plenty of manhacks which COULD drop combat knifes - if they weren't the most painfully annoying enemy I've encountered in the game so far.
>>145932092
can you still throw random shit from your pockets at them to get around their dodge skill or was that changed
>>145932092
Oh, for lab challenge I usually just use a wood plank since you don't want to fight anything tougher than a normal zombie anyway. I guess whichever is better against skitterbots is the best one.
You can sometimes find machetes in the dissection rooms, easily the best non-combat knife weapon to be found in the lab.
Turns out lost lands are a pretty good source of artifacts at a somewhat low risk.
Open the door.
Get on the floor.
>>145933135
Can you truly be said to playing the lab challenge without shoving all the mutant body parts you find into your mouth?
>>145932350
You can, but it'll usually do zero damage or they'll dodge.
>>145932492
Eh. I'm keeping the cudgel around for now. I am scum so I got strength to 15, so damage output isn't a problem but zapback and time delay is.
>>145933135
You. You understand.
dAd
>>145933960
>scaredscaredscaredscaredscaredscared
I guess 8 charisma will do that to you.Back to melee
>when you sneak into a vault and stab everyone in it to death just right
It's such a satisfying feel.
>>145934198
>Fighting a planetar surrounded with breathers with <350 max hp
Madman.
Why only one weapon? This character obviously doesn't hit things, so you might as well put a shield or statstick in the other hand.Grind more stat potions, those stats are awful for your level.
>>145934198
how many turns before you went splat? just 1?
>>145934198
>why.mp3
the drain flys are attracted to the food in my room and bounce of my screen at night when im trying to play roguelikes holy shit im so fucking annoyed this has been going on every night for months
>>145934737
>>145934864
>>145934948
Spamming manastorm and darkness storm and then phasing away and using my healing staff on everything worked out up to that point.
>>145935059
There are massive craneflies around here which somehow got into the house and bump around the walls trying to fly into my lights. It's pretty annoying.
Bugs are gross.
>>145934737
Because I get fucking heavy wield because of my top shit strength. I was using Soulsword anyway.
>>145934864
around 3 or 4.
>>145935076
The strength of scary monsters fear is based on their depth level. So deeper monsters will make you more afraid. Also doom drake packs can be threats even deeper than their native depth. Keep an eye out for that and don't let so many things get LOS on you at once.
>>145928817
Are you saying that's bad code? How else would you randomly decide between 3 options? This is the cleanest way to do it.
What are the best classes for lazy, given that the drop can be a hammer or a bow?
>>145935684
I think everyone can master the lazy weapons.
>>145935528
Right, I didn't even know that. I just learned that "petrified" is a fear status too.
>>145934737
>those stats are awful for your level
I actually found the cap of Sam and the cloak of Merry and since they reduce your strength but give you +1 speed I had trouble lifting my load so it would counteract the speed bonus that they gave me.
>Coolthulhu nerfed cotton balls
It's the end of an era.
>>145936630
Please explain the cdda cottonball thing to someone who has barely played cdda.
>>145936797
I think you can apply them to heal yourself, like a bandage. They never stood out to me though, especially when just sleeping heals you for a shit ton
>>145937118
>>145936797
Sleeping requires you to be tired, but cotton balls are ubiquitous and train first-aid.
Also, if you have a shit health score, you're shit outta luck.
But basically, you find 4 cotton balls in a pillow, and can find ~2/3 pillows on a single bed, more on a double.
At no first aid, cotton balls, like bandages, heal 1/4/3 for head/torso/limbs, at first aid 1, torso is 5
Just five pillows is 20 cottons balls, which is 80 torso health, or 60 limb health.
They're gr8
>>145936797
It was a healing item, like a less effective bandage, and though it didn't heal much, it was common as muck. You could heal basically anything by finding a house, tearing up all the bedclothes, and rubbing a few kilos of cotton on your mangled limb stumps.
>playing Gearhead
>trying to get a spiritual martial arts character running, because I think playing a dude who 1v1s giant robots with his bare hands and the indomitable will of the human spirit would be fun
>turn out to be right, but can't figure out what to do with mysticism
>after some googling, find out that you have to do something to the shrines after you use the main shrine in the monastery in the desert
>hike all the way out there
>use the main shrine, get a +1 stat boost to two stats, try again: "you have already meditated at this shrine today"
>use the next closest shrine, get a stat boost of the same size to one stat
>later while searching for the rest of the shrines, notice the stat boost is gone
>google some more: it's apparently a temporary bonus that goes away within 24 hours
>also that it scales with mysticism and your stats
>realize my mysticism is already really high: on the same level as my damage-dealing skills
>realize that the monastery is far from anything important, so by the time I reach it the boost may have worn off already
>realize cyberparts are probably a lot cheaper, EXPwise
desu I'm more than a little salty
At least martial arts seems to be really good.
Weird, unrelated thing I've noticed: EXP gain seems to be linked to how quickly you kill your enemy, or maybe how many attacks it takes, or possibly how disabled they are (as one increases, all increase, which makes it hard to tell the difference). An opponent that I completely disabled over many attacks and a long period of time gave 1 EXP. An opponent I broke the leg over a few attacks and short period of time gave ~30. However, a opponent I killed as quickly as possible, with as few attacks as possible gave 350-400.
>>145936797
health in cdda doesn't normally regenerate, you need to either sleep (which you can't do all the time) or use healing items
cotton balls were a kind of shitty healing item except that they were common as shit, and why bother using a rare first aid kit when you could just eat a dozen cotton balls to return to full hp?
VVV LOW HITPOINT WARNING VVV
>>145941650
A BROKEN BACK RENDERS YOU GRACELESS
>>145941650
>>145941650
>it invokes the hand of doom!
>>145941920
Q@y
Fuck that nonroguelike shit.
>>145941650
>Burns you terribly!
>>145942905
Yea I mean the game is bullshit anyway. It's fun at first but then you just get instagibbed by shit later on
the fuck
>>145943336
attention whoring faggot
>>145943407
kys
>>145943468
It's a meme newfag.
>>145943503
not an argument.
>>145943768
I'd buy that for a dollar.
>>145943956
YOUR MOVE CREEP
>no robocop roguelike
>>145927548
That image doesn't seem appropriate to me because the Minotaur of theLabyrinth is probably the easiest dungeon boss and Baphomet is a push-over.
I got Forcefield AND Spines on my latest Demonspawn. Splat incoming.
>>145944667
That is clearly a MiBe sacrificing a HuWz on an altar.
>>145944771
Then why does it appoint Chris, rightfully in my opinion, as the Lord High God of All Creation?
Shouldn't that seat be reserved forX?om
I've concluded that red dragons are the only dragon worth playing. They have:
>low exp penalty (for a dragon)
>best mix of melee and breath damage makes them amazing fighters all around
>built in fire resist that eventually grows into immunity
The only thing that can hope to contest with them are white dragons who are basically just a palette swap version of them with a different element. Red is better though because the fire resistance is incredibly useful for fighting fire which is far more common (2 bosses are fire-themed dragons) than cold and lategame cold damage falls off hard because undead resist it.
>>145945042
Steel are good for similiar reasons, but yeah. You just want the ones with good melee, xp, and life.
>>145945213
Don't they lose DEX when they level though?
>>145945042
>tfw no Dragon evolves into a Great Wyrm of Space-Time
I just wanted to be like Einstein-senpai.
>Splatted to a pack of 3 hungry ghosts
I'm so ashamed of myself
>>145945374
The problem with the other dragon types is they have some sort of retarded gimmick in exchange for being shit offensively, sadly they can't rely on the gimmick for the entire game. I'm sure Chris would just gimp them like the others.
>Just consumed 20 serums, including 4 purifiers
Proud of myself.
>>145945408
>make friendships that will last a lifetime!
>>145945678
Yeah, all Dragons should evolve into a Great Wyrm of Power at level 50.
Just joking of course, however it would be funny to try how good they would be as a monster race actually.
Can possessors possess them?
>>145945912
You can possess them if you're lucky enough to get them to drop their corpse.
>tfw there's a tavern thread in the advice section that's getting it all wrong and you want the right info to be given to any new players who might be reading, but at the same time you don't want to bother because the tavern is full of loud autists propagating bad information and trying to point that out isn't worth the hassle
>>145946042
You're probably wrong.
Shields are shit.
>>145946156
that's why bucklers are banned in mumo and a large shield is practically required for late game mumo
>>145946156
Shields were shit.And then they made it so SH is internally doubled.
>>145946156
Shields are absolutely insane.
>>145946237
A challenge game where you can't wear body armor and have to compensate with another form of defense (a shield) is not a good indicator of how good shields are.
If I guessed correctly and it is the shields thread that you were talking about, my opinion on that thread is that it has good posts that accurately describe shield pros and cons.
If you were to post that "shields can be good with unarmed" that wouldn't be particularly wrong.
>>145946513
Are you sure you're not confused about the time when the SH value was halved in the UI while keeping the same effectiveness?
Later I lost 100 mhp from vapour quest.
>Scroll of Acquirement
>Get Obsidian Axe
>On a mage
Not sure if it's worth using or not...
First level of Icky Cave
>>145948152
Oh fuck me
Who else here /dragon/?
Man Vehumet has been on the ball with his gifted spells today. He gave me Bolt of Magma and Iron shot pretty much one right after another.
>PCB monk
>almost 200 AC at level 30
>reflection from arthur's shield
>literally just that thing equipped so I have no resistances past the elficopo spell
What the fuck should I do now
Grab two rings of RF from a shop and kill Smaug for my third book?
I literally have no resistances and I can't grind for them because I need resistances to grind
4.0.2 sucks
>>145948535
>2 rings
STEP IT UP ANON
>>145948535
>Grab two rings of RF from a shop and kill Smaug for my third book?
Pretty much, yeah.
Also,
>playing 4.0.2
It's not worth it.
PosChengband? More like PozChengband
'cause the game is AIDS.
>>145949014
You did this one already.
>>145949014
pozcumbutt
>>145949014
does the Pos in Poschengband mean Piece Of Shit?
>>145948926
>not worth it
Byt I'll get called a memer who only clones dragons and scums 555
Are you telling me that's just one very loud guy
Are you telling me I should have fun instead of grinding 40 hours and dying to a mana storm
>>145949125
PozChengband did you already. Now you have gay cancer.
>>145949139
Sure.
>>145949167
>listening to unironic autistic elitists
Anon, shift+q your game right the fuck now and go have some fun. And yeah it is probably just one cancerous faggot.
>>145948504
>>145948548
I got it at like level 10 though and no other good weapons... I'll keep using it until I find something better or a staff enhancer. Or until I can't put up with its shit anymore.
>>145949858
Be sure to let us know when it kills you.
>>145949858
That's really risky, if you get stuck in fatal situation as a caster with low hitpoints because of the mesmerizing effect you're as good as dead.
>>145949139
the pos in poschengband stands for posband
the cheng stands for chengband
hope this helps :)
>>145950137
shouldn't it be PosbandChengbandband then
The "pos" stands for Possessor.
>>145950197
>not pepperoni and cheeseband
Always thought it was something like post-chengband
Like going beyond chengband
>>145950197
actually posband is short for "possessor angband"
and i guess chengband is "chris hengband"
and hengband is "hoge (?) angband", although it's based on zangband which is Zelazny Angband
so really it should be possessorangbandchrishogezelaznyangbandangband
Haven't checked cata in two years
Are Z levels in yet?
>>145950456
Seems good.
>>145950456
Or PABCHZABB for short.
>>145950965
what if you get drained for 8 levels worth of xp?!
safest to just keep it in the house forever
>>145951038
already dropped it
already recalled
it's gone anon
>>145951093
but why?
:'(
oh hey cool hitlomir
only tanks 30 AC and covers most of my basic elemental resistances
also found an elficopo amulet too
>>145951171
because the id game ridiculous
Looks like he retired and set up a shop.
Lol Aizul
>>145951963
PUT ON THAT BUCKLER RIGHT NOW
>>145952217
It's nothing special. Just a +2 buckler. Better than nothing though.
Aw shit we're back to the skinner box
that's why I love PCB
clonedurrginsalldayerryday
Gonna grab a staff of healing son
>>145951963
>23/16
>No shields
M80, please. Naked arms are lewd, put on a buckler.
>>145952531
why ain't you clonin ancient durrgins at 555
>>145952537
>Naked arms are lewd
good
>>145949167
>I don't have the emotional fortitude to handle playing a video game in a way some anonymous people on the internet may disapprove of
You are not only a memer but a massive faggot.
>>145952747
meh I wanted to do it the old fashioned way for a bit
555 is almost too good
>>145952747
Elf senpai will give you his LCS if he sees your hard, chiseled forearms.
>tfw berserk almost got me killed
That was close.
I'm playing along with the PCB pasta and The Labyrinth is kicking my ass. Any tips?
>>145952747
You're right, it's better this way. more efficient.
>>145953298
uh, go somewhere else?
the labyrinth is tough if your character is shitty because you don't have much space to run away or rest. go get some more loot and levels at the bottom level of the orc cave or something
also level your dex, jesus
both str and dex are important for melee blows/round. counterintuitively, strength actually get worse the heavier the weapon is, so for super heavy shit you're better off leveling dex
>>145953298
Get a staff/rod of illumination (you can buy one at the magic shop) and use it so you can see far down a dark corridor, second you should probably get a staff/rod of detection so you can see what kind of monsters you're going to be going against (Labyrinth is weird in that a lot of the monsters you'll encounter will be easy for that depth but things like fire giants will prop up out of nowhere and fuck you), third get a staff/rod of door/stair detection so you can quickly go through Labyrinth's small floors, fourth stay the fuck away from uniques. That's pretty much it, it's the only area in the game where the actual monsters are harder than the boss (mino who is a complete walk in the park).
>>145953606
>the labyrinth is tough if your character is shitty because you don't have much space to run away or rest
That's not necessarily true, Labyrinth has a lot of hallways that make it easy to funnel monsters to take them on one by one and if you get low you can phase away and quaff up.
>>145953606
The manual wasn't really clear if I should level STR or DEX so I just stuck with STR because I don't know what I'm doing
>>145953639
I actually got to the bottom and had a battle with the Minotaur and it was kicking my ass, I barely recalled from there. Usually I rely on my summons for distraction and that tactic doesn't work in the tight corridors of the labyrinth
>>145953817
Mino is actually sort of fast so be sure to quaff your speed and heroism, spam summons in corridor and wait at the end of it while Mino fights through them to get to you and then phase to summon more to whittle him down until you feel comfortable fighting him.
>>145953817
>>145953910
Oh yeah and that abysmal dex is really fucking you over right now.
>>145953298
That wasn't very hard and I'm lower level than you.
>>145950473
Most of them
>local bully not so tough after being raped
now I can finally learn some spells
Everything is dying from the aura.
some day I will get past the "I'm a crippled powerless underequipped piece of shit please kill me now but not really unless you mean IRL" stage that is the first 70% of a game of Halls of You Fail the Alchemy Test and enter the "wow I am a *band character with full equipment I am god look upon my works ye mighty and lootpiñata" stage.
Finally.
It took me like fifteen minutes of recalling to get one of these.
>khamut the protein ruins my perfect grinding spot
fuck you
Aw yiss
>>145929787
Stay strong and be positive, even when everything is ruined forever!
Remember to take breaks to go outsidebrieflyto improve your mood and focus. And gib head pats.
>>145957380
I have so much more fun adventuring the game and getting to 50 that way even though in absolute hours it takes longer. But to each their own...
So you can use forest creation in the arena to stop LOS, then stone skin then resistance true, then you heal yourself with herbal healing.
Best class for arena hands down.
>>145953298
You are in desperate need of dex to help with your blows per round.
Which one should I go for rlg?
I mean, I've heard that mana thrust is good, but the energy blast seems more fun to use...
>>145960123
you can change them later I think by drinking !NewLife, so when energy blast falls off lategame (b/c elemental damages are frequently resisted) you can change it
unless of course your current internals are so good that you don't want to change, in which case choose a lategame ability I guess
>create macro to spam herbal healing at level 90 of olympus after creating a cozy stone dome with my staff of earthquakes
>even with the stone of nature and 18/86 wisdom I still have a 76% failure chance at expert
well I guess I need more wisdom.
Too bad my cap is something like 18/130
>>145960690
daeron incanus luthien gong indra when
>>145960889
once I start grinding wyrms at the right depth
>>145957086
yea
I almost got there
Scuttle did me in again, but it appeared as a fucking illusion several floors after I encountered the real thing
>you have no space for a staff of simplicity: Healing (+5)
>completely immune to fire
Smaug wasted entire turns trying to hurt me with that bullshit.
>>145963657
i sure hope you're doing >>145886006
>>145963875
>it may breathe fire very unintelligently
>iketa the brave teleports away
heh
Uhhhh
so there's some kind of lore there or something
like
iketa-biketal
what
why
>>145964592
huh
me neither
In PCB why is it that I sometimes get one stat point and sometimes more?
Oh man I have never seen this one before. Looks like a good mauler weapon.
What do you know, forest creation is actually viable. Now I just gotta grab a needle from home.
>monks are capped at unskilled even with needles
is this a thing from mpa-pcb
I think it's mpa-pcb
Is there any place where I can buy just a normal ring? PCB by the way.
>using needles
drugs are bad for you, bro.
That took a while.
>>145968189
Zul's jewellery shop sells them.
>>145965831
I think it is mostly random luck, though I'm not sure where the code is
Also different races get intrinsic stat-ups (you don't get to choose) as they level, so if you hit one of those thresholds and also manually bump up the stat at once, it will increase more.
also, and this is kindof the opposite, but when you get close to your internal maximum for a stat, it will usually increase by a fraction of a point instead of a full point
>>145965836
heh, there's also some staff that has Summon Octupus, which is way weaker of course but still pretty cute
>>145968378
yay huzzah
>>145968378
>fisting the babble into submission
>>145968378
>Actually punching the babble
MADMAN
*quaffs healing potion*
>>145971742
Moderation in all things.
Found Boots of the Assassin on Formicid Fighter, worth putting on a Shadow Dragon Armour, train some Stealth and get to stabbing with my executioner's axe?
>>145972729
Wear a lighter dragon armour with resists and get that stealth up. SDA is good if you don't need the resists for whatever reason though. That one anon had a lot of fun with cleave stabs.
T-Thanks lucky. Found these bad boys around Stronghold 10
>Pop head into castle on my way to Telmora to tag it
>Shoggoth right next to the stairs
>Oneshots me
Fuck.
>>145946789
I'm newfag to roguelikes. Which game is this?
>GrFi ghost at the bottom of lair
>40+ AC
>10 EV
>10 SH
How does one even splat something like this? I keep finding a ton of berserker ghosts too. What's the world come to
>>145975281
Poschengband
>>145972990
I'll keep that in mind, gotta get some good armour and train that stealth for awhile first though.
>>145973306
I love when cursed items are good enough to wear
and damn that's early. Amazing to_h and to_d on that tulwar of morgul. heh and 3 AC
My character is still too wimpy to actually fight, but tossing boulders around as a hobbit warlock is pretty fun.
fuck, yaks are hardcore
V:$ is my favorite
>9/10 top deaths in double digit Zig
Why am I so stupid.
the most fun i ever have on a floor in a game usually.
So I fucked around a bit with the stone of chaos
aaaand now I'm a dunadan
that's kinda okay
my stats got better that's for sure
are dunadan just humans that don't get a mutation
>>145975667
>10 EV
Yeah, that'll get you wrecked if you're just mashing tab in lair. Even with all the AC.
>>145978663
I always save up some noise scrolls and burn a few defensive consumables just to make sure I get as many as possible.
>>145978675
basically, they also get good stats and sustain con
They are the the "high men" (not technical term) of Tolkein's Middle Earth, including the ancestors of Aragorn. They lived a long time and were powerful in sorcery.
>>145957872
Remember to love yourself, even as the world is falling apart!
There's someone out there looking for you - to give them the heavy petting of a lifetime!
>>145978675
>>145978893
more details I remembered
the dunadan are the descendents of the numenorians, the true high men. So they're like...the sindar equivalent of men I guess. The remaining rangers are Dunadan. I think most/all of the Nazgul were once Numenorians, so closely related
UGH. Ashenzari, come in. It appears I've encountered some kind of horrible cave demon. I... don't think I'm coming out of this one alive.
I may have gone too far in a few places.
It's all coming back to me.
>>145979125
awoooo
>>145978663
>fetichist
>makhleb
Have you found the disc of storms yet? Makes most of the game so easy. You can clear a zig without too much trouble as a Makhleb evoker.
>>145982402
i have two disc of storms box of beast and fan of gales two +9 iron rod and lightning two rods of igniting and a +11 broad axe of speed as well as 22 evo
and 19 invo
the only scary part i had so far was a brimstone fiend and a flayed ghost in elf:3 and the iron rod killed both
>>145982349
Awew lad
>>145982634
two discs of storms? Can you dual wield them?
>>145982634
shit forgot trip was still on
i also have tier 3 daemonic guardian and they auto dodge all friendly attacks now. so my balrug ally basically side steps 27 fragments and then blasts whatever survives to shit
So, the wiki advice on "Just bash the walls down with a homewrecker!" for the lab challenge no longer seems to work.
How to did escape, lads?
>>145982764
pretty sure. i use one then the other and it gives two full charged blasts. i usually never even need them between my axe and the iron rods. its like i am playing hexen all over again
>>145982905
Hope for a teleporter drop
Construct an electrohack and hope it doesn't fry the scanner but opens it
If in z-level mode, burn the ceiling and climb out
Hope that mapgen intersects the lab with an anthill or sewer
If playing with hordes, make a lot of noise and hope a horde takes down the walls
Start with skills good enough to manufacture an electric jackhammer
>>145982949
haha I'm joking with you, unless something crazy happened in trunk, there's no reason to carry more than 1 disc of storms. There's absolutely no cost to evoking one, just the time it took to evoke it. They don't have to recharge, they don't cost MP, they don't cost hunger, they don't cost piety. They're just a little unreliable even at max evo.
>>145983505
ah i assumed they go inert. good to know
well well well
>>145984142
DAMN that is a good helmet
>>145984023
heres my current dump i have to leave the house for now but ill be back to probably die in hell or zig later
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Ketziah/Ketziah.txt
So, as someone who decided to play nothing but deathswords until I win the game, please kill me.
Beside that, what personality should I be using? At first I used combat/Mighty but lately I've been trying my luck with Lucky/hasty. Lucky drops are great but I always end up splatting before I get to the point where I can grind stat potions to offset the shitty start.
What does Mark of Chaos do anyway?
>>145984559
crazy shit that cannot be ordered
>>145984318
>Ketziah is finally going to win
wew
>>145984505
I don't think lucky is worth it for rings and death swords since you can't realistically max out your stats even with say, ordinary. I guess it might be okay for 4.0.2 death swords with their nerfed device skill.
>>145984759
Any way that special shit can fuck me over?
>>145984974
damn dont say that jimxs can be fatal
>>145984142
So will you lose any good mutations if you drink a remove?
>>145986996
Cure mut potions remove any mutations except racial ones. 3-5 muts.
>>145986996
its random
>>145986996
yeah, might lose clarity, so if I find amulet of four winds I might quaff cure mutation
>>145987686
chances are you wouldnt even lose horns anyway
>>145986063
You got this mang. Go get the orb, don't do anything fancy.
>>145987686
cure mut a shit ton and get rid of them all and start over again i am sure you can find boots that would be worth it. that helmet definitely is
>>145929653
what roguelike is the best to play a necromancer in?
>>145988145
but i love extended. my guy is already powerful and i know almost everything about survival. all it takes is a few bad rolls but i worked around them before. the only thing i am worried about is lack of blink scrolls.
>>145987876
yeah, so it sucks, but not much I can do about it. Maybe save up benemuts and curemuts and do some low risk gambling, just secure 1-2 mutations I like.
>>145988189
I would but as a caster I really like that clarity and I like that +10% MP more than the 7 AC and 5 INT, since I already have a lot of int.
>>145988334
I pray to Chei for your success. Don't let me down, I've been waiting literal years to see you in the OP.
>>145984559
it randomly brands itself. It often semi-intelligently-randomly chooses a brand that the enemy is vulnerable to (but not always)
it won't fuck you over. It's one of the best brands.
>>145988239
this comes up a bunch, and the main answer is "We're waiting for somebody to make a necromancer roguelike where that is the main focus of the game"
Dwarf fortress adventure mode and poschengband are okay, but they really aren't ideal
>>145985078
Wait, Death Swords got nerfed?
Where can I see the changelog for 4.0.2?
>>145989139
>implying chris ever puts out a changelog
the relase post sometimes mentions some of the changes, but the only comprehensive changelog is the commit history on github
he reduced their device skill
also way back before /rlg/ played pcb he nerfed them twice in a row to reduce their chances of getting +dice on levelup and from killing uniques
Why does DCSS get worse every update? How is that even possible?
>>145988785
Has anyone ever compiled a doc with ideas?
>>145989423
>DCSS 1.0 release changelog
>removed DCSS
at last we will be free
>>145988785
I feel that if someone really wants to play necromancer then they should just play starcraft or some other RTS. Because the only real difference between cultivating then ordering around a horde of undead minions vs a horde of soldiers is flavor.
Furthermore, if you really want to control a lot of minions then there's no point in a turn-based setting, because the turn-based setting multiplies the intensity of your very deliberate actions with your character. In contrast, you can't control your minions as deliberately or carefully, mostly you can just tell them 'attack' and 'move over there'. So, with dozens of minions it becomes less a game of agonizing over each fraction of an aut, and an amalgamation of dozens of attack/defense rolls that average towards your guys winning or their guys winning, and this is usually dependent on factors that have been dealt with before the battle even started, such as buffs, positioning, upgrades, countering units, et cetera.
>>145945408
I encountered one once on like D3 or D4. I was surprised at how much damage it could do in a few turns.
>>145988785
i imagine it would be steamrolling an entire world near the end. once you kill/animate powerful beings you are basically set. maybe a follower limit based on creature power or something. who knows
>>145990241
there are several packs of them in labrynths now, like 5-8 of them on one screen. can be very scary
>>145990164
>Just a random number generator where 1 in 10 attempts wins
>>145990678
finally, they will unite gameplay experience between speedrunners, streakers, and new players. There will finally be uniformity.
>>145990678
>elliptic still somehow gets enormous streaks
>qw achieves sentience and becomes a professor of law
>>145990969
Maybe the random number generator will use the computer's time as a seed, so he'll just start the game at 11:35:22 every single time. Get a 1500 win streak then lose it because he had to sneeze.
>>145990678
this
think the yeti from skifree but you cant go faster
maybe a randomized timer for turncount wherenyou just drop dead of old age
Looks like CoQ added modding in the new friday feature.
https://freehold.atlassian.net/wiki/display/CQP/Caves+of+Qud+-+Technical+Guidebook
http://littlebyte.net/download
/349624.0b8a8f8efa/Caves_of_Qud_v2.0.6012.37858_setup.exe.html
>dowload speed is 5kbps
>just for you
>im not joking
>>145990240
>I feel that if someone really wants to play necromancer then they should just play starcraft or some other RTS. Because the only real difference between cultivating then ordering around a horde of undead minions vs a horde of soldiers is flavor.
Nah, it's all about that Frankenstein, bone golem, Corpse Preparation shit. "Wave your staff and all corpses around you reanimate" is the dullest shit imaginable. It's customizing minions with the body parts of your victims that is the thing, at least it would be for me.
>>145991534
see thats an idea that would work
reconstruct minions from body parts
that lobster guy you killed? new
left arm that is a claw. that rhino? maybe a horn.
it would be pretty customizable
>>145991843
Exactly. You could have embalming tools and mix embalming chemicals to preserve zombies, use materials to reinforce skeleton joints, stuff zombies with fire bombs, all kinds of crazy things like that.
Neato.
>>145992727
dont they cap at 29 or something
>>145992435
>>145991843
>>145991534
Whole new meaning to the concept of a Chop Shop.
>>145991534
I think Elona+ has something of a necromancy system now, though not nearly that in-depth.
You can use body parts from monsters in the construction of "Coffins of Necromancy," which release an undead minion when used. The minion's type depends on the value of the body part used (so rarer/higher level monsters produce higher quality minions) and their level depends on your Anatomy and Alchemy skills.
The minions last until you either return them to their coffins or they die, and in the latter case it takes 24 ingame hours to re-summon them.
There's some abilities you can use to buff them or even make them go allahu akbar on your enemies.
There's another recipe in the game called "Necro Remodel" that lets you add a body part to an existing minion, which grants them a bonus to a skill depending on the part. (i.e. add a heart to increase their Constitution)
>>145993313
>tfw no riced up knockoff power dragon
>>145993313
and now we have a name for the game
Alright /rlg/, could you give me tips for playing GrFi?
What armor should I use? Light or heavy? Is it a good idea to put more points in DEX than STR? What skills should I train first?
>>145994040
axes to 7 fighting to 7 grab any armor you can find and take it slow. dont get aggressive tabbing, all it takes is one shout to bring 13 orcs 2 trolls and a centaur warrior to you
>>145994040
if youre on webtiles post link here so wencan help in chat
plus it adds fun
>>145994040
Play a GrGl so that your dex isn't automatically shit. Go M&F, get it to 8. Get 5 fighting. Get 12 M&F. Get 4 dodging/armor. Get 10 fighting. Get 16 M&F. Extremely rough outline, feel free to deviate. Don't tab like an idiot. Your HP pool is small. Fear orc priests and wizards more than normal. Medium armour, all points in dex.
>>145993675
I've been putting off trying E+, but I guess it's time for a go. But I don't think such a game would have to be limited to necromancy either, with the customization system in place one could probably do golems, vehicles, and other stuff like that. Now coding it, on the other hand.
>>145994040
I'd say go light armour and train dodging, since you already get free AC and extra GDR, so ring mail gets upgraded to plate while letting you keep almost all of your EV.
>>145994254
Axes? I usually go with Maces & Flails, but alright.
>>145994423
Well, beware.
It may have necromancy now, but it's still Elona, with all the weird shit and grind that entails.
I love the game, but it's not for everyoneor most people really.
Pretty good crown.
Does the Infra Arcana dev hate me? Why is this still happening? Infra Arcana dev build has literally been uncompilable on codeblocks since the 18.1 release. Sweet Cthulhu, pls, and now it's closed?!
Killed the Lernaean Hydra and only used one Potion of brilliance to do it.
Now I have shatter castable. Time to trivialize the rest of the game.
>>145995137
When are you planning on suiciding your character?
>>145996003
>implying anything can trivialize the dungeon
enjoy 2 crystal spears in one turn
>>145996998
You mean fighting the serpent?
Soonish.
Gotta go Kratos on some olympians before.
>>145997028
Bad.
>>145997028
You're right. There's always SOMETHING that can kill you.
>>145995137
It's pretty. I like it. Your dude is definitely coming online (slash unhasted 36). And the term aesthetic is good too.
Are you fully convinced you do not want to re-add standard progression games to your repertoire? It is a long game either way, but the story and play to the small up and down leverages of the regular game is a more nuanced and, I feel, richer Skinner box.
Play as you choose, of course, and keep posting, regardless of what roguelikes or ways of playing them you're taking. I will be reading.
>poking around in the tiles
>find this
Pray they never implement these.
>>145996003
Pretty impressive to have it castable at 12 spellcasting and 19 earth. What are you?
>arthemis
>nothing is known about her attack
>in mpa-pcb
oh jesus
isn't she the one that spams lots of arrows
I think I can just hide in the forest
>>145997652
>Are you fully convinced you do not want to re-add standard progression games to your repertoire?
I think my english is failing me here because I really didn't understand
>>145998078
I'm more impressed you calculated that. Gargoyle Earth Elementalist. I have a Ring of Wizardry though and a Ring of +6 int. It's at 17% fail rate right now.
Holy shit almost all non-breathing uniques can be cheesed this way.
I love it.
Nothing quite like killing a unique by tossing their summons back at them.
It's a shame my boulder toss can be reflected, unlike the monster spell.
>>145998309
Nah, you had some level ups in the screen shot. Without brilliance, I would have guessed it was at like 20-25%. 17% is very impressive with that spread. Nicely done.
>>145967684
skill with needles doesn't matter
if you wield only 1 it has a 100% chance to hit
if you wield 2 each has a 50/50 chance to trigger the guaranteed hit
>>145998750
Oh right, duh. Without Brilliance it was like 50% something. I'm at 14 spell/21 Earth now so it's down to 13% now.
>>145999201
>skill with needles doesn't matter
try hitting 1000 AC with a success chance of 5% on 10 AC
>>145997883
we are long overdue for orbs of ice and orbs of electricity
>>145999575
>>145997883
I think orbs of ice are in a sprint of some kind.
>>145997638
shatter alone is pretty bad in zigs, because so many of the nasties fly; ice fiends, brimstone fiends, titzmitls, quicksilver dragons, wretched stars, those abyssal distortion things, and most pan lords fly.
I guess everything that doesn't breathe gets really retarded when they have their LOS blocked.
No god artifacts yet.
>>145999492
IT HAS A 100% CHANCE TO HIT
IT IGNORES YOUR ACCURACY AND THE ENEMY'S AC
which is what I JUST SAID
>>146000564
Hey, take it easy.
Hello, is this the Tard Day School? One of yours got internet access again
>>146001126
What is Tard? Are you one of those doctor who fans?
>Go down stairs
>Ogre Mage shouts!
>The ogre mage gestures at you while chanting.
>You are cast into the Abyss!
Fuck me.
>nightstalker
>robe of darkness
>cast spell 'darkness'
>boots of the assassin
>polearms
>ring of umbra
>1000+ stealth
>worship ashenzari
>navigate around extended game with ash sight and stab everything the turn after it enters my LOS
what a dream
>>145990240
I like necromancer not because of rts stuff, but more because I can win fights using sheer numbers.
>You feel very stuipid. You feel very stuipid. You feel very stuipid. You feel very stuipid. You feel very stuipid. You feel very stuipid.
okay i get it chris
>>146002203
The other guy's argument was convincing, about wanting to customize his army by patching together the pieces of those that he had slain, but I don't see this argument. Why not just play zerg and only use zerglings? That's more of a horde experience than any current roguelike can offer, necromancer or not.
>>146002337
You misspelled stupid
>>146002043
>A tentacled monstrosity appears!
apparently white tiger+ring of destruction+double attack does around 2000damage /turn, even more to those who don't resist AcElFiCoPo.
>>146002203
Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode lets you reanimate pretty much any number of corpses and limbs any number of times. It trivializes the game, but you can handicap yourself or something.
>>146002491
call the salvage company cuz we got a rektage here
>newfag
>poschengband
>level 1
>easily find down stair after easily killing tons of rats and shit
>level 2
>entire screen is flooded with giant lice
>literally no space between them
>no way through without killing them
>they reproduce whenever one dies
>so many of them that whenever I kill one I have to go back up and rest
>fuckitimgoingin.png
>move two squares and die
>was a fucking half-troll with 104 hp
Was this a bug or is it a feature of the game that on the second level the entire fucking map can be flooded by reproducing bugs that do tons of damage?
oh hey hermes dropped his boots.
Wunderbar.
>>146003005
working as intended. Please don't play PosChengband.
>>146003005
yeah that happens
you have to kill them when there's just 1 or two because they breed exponentially. once it gets to that point you have to just walk away
>>146003231
Fun. So if they were blocking the only path out of the first room of the level, what could have been done? Or can the game be put into an unwinnable state that easily?
>>145997883
They both appear in one of those sprints. I think it's the arena.
Some guy here died horribly to both of them.
Can someone compile the latest Infra Arcana developer build and upload it somewhere. I'm losing it- in my brain.
>>146003517
PCB levels aren't static like nethack/dcss. Each down staircase leads to a totally different version of the level, and you get a whole new dungeon each time you enter it.
>>146003517
>>146003767
and by that i mean "just go down one of the other staircases on level 1"
if there are no other stairs on level 1, go up to the surface and re-enter the dungeon and you get a NEW level 1
>>146003767
B-but I went up and came back down and they were still there.
Or do you have to go all the way back to the entrance to the dungeon itself?
>>146003005
Start with something easier, like nethack.
>>146004091
If you go back up/down the same set of stairs, you return to the previous level.
If you go up/down new stairs, you go to a new level.
>>146004091
Ah yes
>>145981848
>those names
top kek
>>146004091
if there are 2 >'s on level 1, > #1 will take you to the level 2 you were just on and > #2 will take you to a new version of level 2
Only 3 more levels until the final evolution and the big powerspike. Surprisingly isn't taking very long because of Arena.
>>145995831
It's a shit game with a shitty attention whore namefag developer anyway, take this as a sign.
Damn. Is shoals the hardest 3 rune branch?
>>146005067
shoals is generally easier for casters, who don't have trouble with the water, but I think that it is indeed the hardest of the swamp/shoals/snake/spider branches for melee characters.
>20 assorted potions gone
What an asshole, I hate cold damage.
>>146004947
you're allowed to namefag if you're a dev talking about official dev stuff
>>146005067
hardest branch always depends on what you have
>>145998210
He's saying you should go back to playing nethack instead of PCB, or maybe some open world game because le Skinner box meme. Basically he's shitting on PCB. He's probably also a bot
>Brogue doesn't let you move diagonally past walls
>>146005067
Shoals or snake. Fucking nagas. I hate those electric serpents
>>146005282
you know if one of those potions in your inventory was !cold resistance you would be a lot happier
>>146005386
nethack doesn't let you move diagonally through open doors
>>146005402
Does it cover the entire stack?
>>146005067
>>146005387
I'd say snake is worse.
>shock serpents
>guardian serpents
>portal projectile marksmans
>constriction everywhere
>>146005594
cover?
you're supposed to drink it
>>146005784
Oh, uh, right. I already have 50% is 15% that big of a boost?
>>146005926
yes
the higher your resistance, the lower the chance of item destruction: it rolls1d66 versus your resist percent
so at 50% resistance it's a 25ish% chance for potion destruction, at 65% it's a 1.5ish% chance, and at 72% resistance it's a 0% chance.
>>146006207
Oh sweet that's pretty cool. Thanks anon.
>tfw you get a weapon so big it gives your mauler a heavy wield penalty
>>146008376
That mace is thick.
>>146008376
Isn't that the one from ADoM?
>>146008376
>11d7
Damn, shame about the shitty to-damage tho
Oh fuck yes.
>Very Bad Day start STILL gives you +50 morale instead of -50 morale from Bad Feeling
>>145988239
Tales of majeyal has a well designed necromancer class.
>>146009897
Did you report it as a bug?
>>146010014
nice blog
Please fix Infra Arcana
Please
pleasepleasepleasepleaseraslkfsjepasfopwe
>>145998210
>>146005347
no
I'm talking about approaching pcb from the normal order of things instead of the clone catapault
>>145995831
same problem; I can't compile since ~1 week (since he moved the SDL folder).
Too bad, I have the habit to daily play to Infra Arcana :S
>>146009157
can enchant it up a bunch at the shop though, so not so bad
>chameleon lord can poly into stormbringer
spoopy
>>146010614
>>145995831
Try manually copying the relevant directories so that paths match.
For example, it looks like the project expects to have directory structure like
ia/API/SDL2
so create API directory and copy SDL2 there
Why do deep elves exist when there are tengu?
>5th attempt to Lab challenge puts me in an anthill
fucking acquirement
>>146011464
thank you, it works now \o/
>past week the only activity in my starting city has been fungal niggers and sec bots farting on one another to no avail because neither possesses a melee attack
>nothing else will spawn because fungal niggers have taken over every square inch of the town which isn't my home
FUCK
>>146012167
Look on the bright side anon, you can wear your randart cloak when you do Slime to avoid your normal one being trashed to permacorrosion!
>>146012734
>can't sleep at night because a shocker brute is fighting off endless waves of triffids and creating so much noise it wakes me every 5 minutes
>>146012734
Everything will be fire
Smaug-tier AI
>>146012447
I followed instructions as they are written. I could compile until about commit 21082336763d05ebeaba2f2d9db52949c3101e74 rolled out. Help me, please. I used to play this game 2 hours a day nearly.
>>146011573
But tengu are kind of shit for the same reasons that high elves are kind of shit.
>help file says dragons are creatures of magic and that's why they can wear so many rings
>manastorm isn't supposed to deal damage to your character if they are magically inclined
>manastorm deals damage to them
Chris you're such a fucking faggot.
>>146013492
Somehow I don't think that lore doesn't mean a damned thing in PCB.
>>146013634
Ok, I reread that and I have brain worms. Lore doesn't mean anything in PCB.
>>146013460
High elves are pretty strong, anon.
>>146013874
It parsed fine the first time, ESL anon
>>146013296
I just deleted everything. Reinstalled the right Codeblocks (mingw-setup). then did that >>146012447
>>146012927
Corrosion is a (rather nasty) temporary debuff now, you realize.
>>146014148
English is my mother tongue. I'm just not very good to her. I dislike the "don't xxx doesn't" since it really muddles the whole sentence up. I think it parses fine because you get the gist of what I'm saying, but the sentence is a stream of consciousness mashup of two thoughts I had at once. "I don't think lore means anything" and "It doesn't mean a god damn thing" for emphasis. It would be "I think that lore doesn't mean a damned thing in PCB" rather than "I DON'T think...." because I'm implying that lore is just useless fluff in PCB. Overall, very poor on my part because it confused me. How am I meant to convey a message if I confuse myself with it?
>>146013037
>not sleeping downstairs
It's like you want to have everything go to shit all around you as you sleep.
So slightly expanding on the other anon's list from a few threads ago, the unofficial crawl dev modlist for Cata is
>Generic Guns
>No Fungal Monsters
>No Joke Monsters
>No Powered Armor
>No Survivor Armor
>No Medieval Items
>Simplified Nutrition
>No Flaming Weapons
>>146013996
Low HP is very hard to counterbalance. Good aptitudes alone don't make up for low HP. Most deaths are in the early game, and the most important thing to have early game is high HP. Maybe the only races that are strong early game with low HP are gargoyle and spriggan, because they're given truly powerful traits in return for their low HP. Good aptitudes and high MP are just not powerful enough to justify low HP.
>>146014892
You don't say!
But what about item destruction?
Surely he can reduce his chances of losing scrolls to fire damage with the higher cloak bonus~
>>146015371
Yeah, I know. I feel like that too.
>>146015008
You're cute anon
*pats you on head*
>>146015008
It's okay.
This is a safe place.
>>146015319
I don't think that was EVER true, outside of cloaks of preservation.
Anyone else finding random puddles of gasoline and pudding on the latest build of Cata?
>>146016034
Probably a damaged car and pudding cup near you. Puddles of water/gas/diesel are pretty common, but pudding is pretty odd.
>>146015904
Not fire damage but corrosion had a higher chance of targeting your cloak over other pieces of equipment if you were wearing one, above a uniform chance of targeting each item
>>146015904
It was because the 1 extra point of AC may reduce your damage taken to 0, and if you take 0 damage I think scrolls don't get burned.
>>146016759
*That is if the cloak had a higher enchantment, but in this case it's lower so it would do the opposite.
>>146016034
I keep getting weird issues with setting pudding cups down where the game refuses to let me do so without a warning prompt to either dump the pudding or it stays in my inventory
>>146015290
I think deep elf spellcasters are pretty easy in the early game, because with those high apts it's easy to not let anything hit you except orc wizards and priests. They become bad later when damage is harder to avoid.
>>146015206
>people not playing with Slow Zombies
even with running and Quick I can't outrun those fuckers
>tfw you get sticky flamed with all your scrolls in your inventory
>>146016034
I get puddles of diesel & gas usually right next to the burning building I start in since the Wreckage spawning next to it won't explode, it just disappears for no reason in the inferno. Also the other anon is right, I just checked the very bad start and Bad Feeling gives a positive morale bonus even without masochism. I don't see it reported as a bug on github either. Does no one start with the Very Bad Start? You'd think it'd be reported by now
>decide to try out ash for once
>join on D4
>complete D and L
>** piety
what am i doing wrong you cunt
>>146017449
Have you actually cursed any of your equipped items?
>>146017449
you're supposed to curse your gear
more curse = faster piety
it's hard to use up her piety once you do get it
>>146017449
Nothing, Ash piety gain sucks. You would get piety faster if you had a cursed item category. Note that this is not the same as having a cursed item. Having a cursed item category means having for example 1 ring and 1 amulet or 2 rings cursed (more than half). Having only 1 ring cursed would not give bonus piety.
Other categories are armor and weapon. For armor you need 3? slots cursed. For weapon you only need to curse the weapon.
>>146017449
You need to have every slot cursed.
>Cata:DDA was funding by Kikestarter
Why does everyone and theitr mother back kikestarter and indiegogo scams these days
>>146017897
You don't need to have every slot cursed, just most of them.
>>146017949
Your brain damage seems to have made your post incomprehensible. You should probably seek medical treatment.
>>146017648
>>146017685
>>146017778
>>146017897
I was a spriggan with a cursed robe and amulet, i needed to switch weapons a lot
Not kinky enough?
>>146018132
>a little typo
>incomprehensible
Are you fucking retarded?
>>146018257
Cursed rings and a cursed buckler would have done wonders. Same goes for the weapon.
>>146018362
Maybe have your tap water tested for lead while you're at it.
>>146018257
Curse everything except for weapon and maybe one ring for swapping.
>>146018475
Not the same anon, please remove yourself from the gene pool you big fucking baby.
>>146018257
Cursed robe and amulet gives no bonus piety because you didn't have more than half of armor slots cursed and you didn't have more than half of jewellery slots cursed.
Cursing more than half of armor slots is much easier with a spriggan because they can't wear boots or gloves. You needed only 1 more cursed armor slot, cloak or hat.
Cursed shield is its own category too so cursing a shield is enough to get bonus piety.
>>146018545
kys my sweet summer child
>>146018614
Hello R*ddit
>>146018614
why did you spell kiss that way?
>>146018704
Hello G*on
>>146018708
I read it as kiss too. Wanna fuck?
>>146017949
Not everybody is as disillusioned as you.
>>146018998
No. What is a g*on? I'm so confused.
>>146019029
>paying money for dda was a scam
He's right.
>>146019176
noob
I bet you play DCCS tiles
>>146019440
I do though. The tiles provide more information. What does that have to do with anything?
>>146019509
Ignore the elitists.
>>146019440
>>146019029
DDA's kickstarter wasn't an outright scam, but it didn't deliver in the end.
>no z-levels
>no endgame
It gets more bloated with pointless features, statclones of previous guns (because everyone wants their favorite rifle in the game), and thousands of articles of clothing with every passing day. It's a monstrosity.
The last two good things to happen to Cataclysm were the vehicle mod and being able to change the size of the window. Everything since then has been pointless at best.
>>146020189
Also it's worth saying that most mods are for taking things OUT of the game.
That's pretty fucked.
>>146014356
Now what? This is absolutely ridiculous. What the fuck is the dev smoking and why doesn't he give a fuck?
Scimitar or falchion of slicing?
>>146021203
>What the fuck is the dev smoking and why doesn't he give a fuck?
He probably just fucking made a mistake. It happens.
>>146021310
The runed scimmy, of course.
>>146020189
Not sure if you're just exaggerating heavily, have no clue about what you're talking about, or both.
>>146016332
No there's seriously just piles of random liquids, there's a bunch more in town in that 3x3 box as well
I'm new to c:dda, what does z-levels mean?
>>146021203
...did you put the SDL2 folder in the API folder you just created?
>>146022069
Height
>>146022069
Do you even coordinates bro
+2 scimitar or Gyro and Gimble?
>>146022240
That's what codeblocks is asking for, isn't it? It's asking for an SDL2 folder with an "include" folder in it. Well, there it is!
So the proper way to play DDA is to remove all the crap from the game so I don't get gang raped by lightning fema fungoid zombies right out the shelter?
>>146022647
Gyro and Gimble is much stronger.
>>146022917
No, the proper way is not going ezmode and not being a bitch, because DDA isn't hard enough to excuse getting raped near shelter without hordes on.
I'm sure someone fell for this.
Question about grinding skill in Elona+ - Do I need to invest platinum coins towards an off-class skill to expect it to progress at a reasonable pace?
And what would you guys say is a comfy starting playstyle to ease into grinding absolutely everything?
I've been starting as a Farmer, but I find myself spending too much time investing in gardening and cooking to do any dungeoneering.
And should I cut my reliance on my pet as soon as possible, or not worry that she's taking most of the kills?
>>146022917
The proper way is whatever is most fun to you
It's not like DDA has game progression that you don't directly cause
>>146009109
It's the reward for Thrundarr's final trial, yeah.
>>146022993
That question was kinda dumb, come to think of it
But for a better one, what the fuck should I do with three scrolls of acquirement
All rods?
>>146024375
ALWAYS
AQUIREWANDS___
>>146024375
If you don't have a wand of heal wounds, hasting and teleport you should get wands until you do.
>>146023134
Read the spell's description you nig
>>146023430
Distribute your platinum coins according to what you do the most, to make sure that the actions you repeat the most are awarding with a good amount of experience and it's not becoming time wasted.
Just do whatever you want in the game, at the start make sure you are doing jobs for platinum coins, but beyond that don't worry too much about it. Take a look around towns and once you learn a new skill from a trainer, try putting it into use immediately to see what you can do with it and how it helps you. You'll slowly get the hang of it. I think most of them are locked at first so new players aren't overwhelmed by all the options there are. Just don't learn a new skill and then forget about it entirely, so you don't find yourself not knowing what to do with them. Feats that make life easier early on are exorcist (you don't have to worry about getting cursed on your sleep) and dimensional move (easy escape button in case you are ambushed on the overworld, and useful beyond that as well).
When I played the game, it took me really long to even get into a dungeon (20 hours I think). Of course you can get in as soon as you feel ready, but at the beginning you can progress pretty steadily without having to set foot into one.
Pets seem to become stronger easier than the player does. Honestly it doesn't matter how much stronger than you they are as long as you aren't getting killed yourself.
>>146024606
>>146024674
I have identified next to no wands yet and I worship Trog so I'm kind of reluctant to use them for a chance of a useful wand when I can cheese 3 rods with 100% success. Should I really do wands then?
>>146024918
>Troglodyte
AQUIRE STAFF YOU DOUBLE MINOTAUR
>>146025129
For a second I thought all 3 were going to be ignition
So Trisword for anything except low-ac, high-ev, non-casting stuff until my skills are higher?
>>146026327
Jesus what happened to my cropping
>>146022720
Copied. Game is still broken. I don't believe anyone can compile this shit with codeblocks anymore.
>>146026327
If you press Alt+Print screen you take a screenshot of just your active window.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/491510/
Anyone familiar with this?
>>146026947
No, you should try it and tell us about it.
>>146026327
>>146026446
A particularly nasty vault + elf hp + mostly unexplored level and forgetting I had haste proved to be my downfall
>>146027149
Fear, haste, curing, curing, curing, brother in arms, might.
>>146027321
Thank you internet jesus
>>146026720
Someone did exactly that in this thread though?
>>146026947
Some guy from here played it, said it was kind of shit, and refunded it. Check the archives if you want some info on it.
>>146027756
I thought he liked it at first at least. I got off around the time he talked about the possessor race.
>>146027756
I don't want to say that it's shit. The main flaw was that the skills/combat was boring but it could be a good game aside from that.
I didn't get the chance to learn the metagame and balance because the time limit is 2 hours for ez refund. So I can't make any kind of judgement on how good/bad it is.
One thing I didn't mention about the game is that the monsters SEEM to respawn forever allowing for infinite grinding.
>>146027149
Read fear, quaff haste, quaff curing, get away a tile, BiA twice, quaff ambrosia
Also slap all those enchant weapon on the 3sword, that's endgame tier
>6th lab challenge put me outside the lab, in a car right next to a full suit of light power armour
>7th put me in the mine
>8th finally put me back in the lab
I restarted the world between these just in case, but what the fuck
Also, are blob bits okay to eat?
Whomp
If you were making a roguelike with skills, passive and active, how would you do it, or what do you prefer?
Would you make it similar to ToME4 where you manage cooldowns and a rotation? If you think this is bad please explain why it's worse than autoattacking.
Would you make it like Sil where many melee skills are passive and change movement tactics? And the activated skills are long-duration buffs?
Would you make it like DCSS where you have a main spell that you use almost every turn, and many support spells that are used once per fight or rarely?
Something else? Describe pros and cons.
4 healing staves and a crown of amber make any fight a walk in the park.
>>146029462
>If you think this is bad please explain why it's worse than autoattacking.
More busywork for the same result; clearing out chaff.
Personally I'd suggest something between Sil and DCSS. I really like the way Sil does skills, but having a support skill you can pull out in difficult situations (with restrictions on frequency of use) makes things more interesting.
>>146029462
>Would you make it similar to ToME4 where you manage cooldowns and a rotation? If you think this is bad please explain why it's worse than autoattacking.
No because ToME is garbage and has 1 million different resources instead of just using one or two; also you end up using the same exact ability "rotation" every time. Demon handles combat way better than ToME
Sil is good. But it basically transforms combat from only bump attacks to bump+dance attacks
DCSS is mind-numbingly boring because nearly every attack spell functions the same and you end up just tabbing like melee dudes do, but with one or two macros that fire off your main spells
>>146030775
>Sil is good. But it basically transforms combat from only bump attacks to bump+dance attacks
You must not be very good at Sil.
Had my charisma drained a bit and it turns out a few points can mean the difference between being terrified and being scared. Also confusing lights.
>>146031005
Ok. Sure you can do different kinds of builds like majesty, pacifist+stealth, archer, whatever. But actual attacks are literally just bump and movement attacks
>>146030238
I've had a doubt about the stone mask ever since I first heard the item existed, take in mind I don't play PCB. Is there any particular reason not to turn into a vampire at endgame if you're a human or weaker?
>>146029462
Cooldown rotations in ToME are terrible, because it's exactly the same as bumping for melee/ranged classes except you have to press more buttons and do it in a specific order. Works a lot better in real-time games where that can be part of the mechanical skill cap (like DotA Invoker refresher combos or RTS skill management micro). Demon does this a lot better than ToME since you are also focused on managing allies, but I still don't really like a lot of demon's player skills.
I would probably make it like Sil or Brogue and have different weapon types change how you play and move in combat to use them most effectively. Putting everything on items rather than inherent abilities is good in my opinion, but if I made a roguelike it would probably be present/near future.
>>146031079
Why aren't you using _Destruction to prep the areas for fighting fucking Cthulhu?
>>146031930
>tfw no Cheishirt >>145930178
>Demon blade on d:8
>DsFi specced into maces/flails
Do I dare
>>146031695
He ran after I fought him in that hallway and he was really low so I just walked up and hit him.
>>146032254
Anon fighting in hallways is also bad.
>>146032376
Why? Does Cthulhu summon or something?
>>146032545
He can (including cyberdemons), but he has a billion spells so it's not as common as some other monsters.
>>146032545
Of course he does.
Okay? I'm not complaining or anything but...
>>146032102
If that image is under creative commons, a cheishirt can be arranged.
>>146031387
In PCB when you change races you also change levels based on the new xp modifier.
Also humans get a pretty good racial perk at 30 which they lose if they become anything other than human or demigod.
>>146030238
KONO DIO DA
>>146033064
>>146033069
Oh well I never really bothered to check since I just light him so he can't do anything ever. I'll killhole him next time though just to be safe.
>>146034204
You should be kill-holing almost everything at that depth because you should always be trying to be "safe".
snek best branch
>>146035654
ah shit wrong image
How does a staff of earth with maxed earth and 15~20 evo compare to holy wrath weapons for endgame?
>>146036602
It's bad even with 27 Evo.
Ruk not enough for Smaugmainly because he bounced it back and I hit myself in the face with it.
I don't know how you crazy guys beat him at like xl 30 or less.
>>146030775
>DCSS magic
>mind numbingly boring
>he doesn't choose bolt of fire over water to make clouds of steam that block LOS then shoot fireball to the side to splash damage into the steam
>he doesn't make simulacra then LRD the front one
>he doesn't animate dead then inner flame them
>he doesn't petrify in a hallway then fulminant prism over it
>he doesn't use freezing cloud to block fire attacks
>he doesn't keep a confused hippogriff between him and a bone dragon standing in conjured flame for ~100 turns so you can kill a bone dragon as a XL12 MuWz of Sif with 12/10 defense and 70HP
>he doesn't play DDEE of makhleb and sublimate blood to fuel the shatter-disaster
>he doesn't shut doors/create steam then blink to make a semi-controlled blink
>he doesn't summon an ice beast in a corridor, hit it to make it hostile, then cast freezing cloud over everything to kill all the monsters behind the ice beast
>he doesn't.....
there's a lot of neat tricks with magic in DCSS
>>146036602
max damage from staff of earth from the crushing is 1d54, so it's not bad, but holy brand is just way too overpowered.
>>146037329
Personally I prefer Vehumet. In most cases you can actually profit MP wise when you shatter. And in target rich environments like V5 or Zot you can pretty much Shatter as much as you want.
An actual ego on dragon gloves! "Of the wizard" is a pretty good one actually, it's too bad that I'm not a class that cares about int.
>>146036995
The basic strat is to have a bunch of !CCW, ?Phase Door, and utilize an area of terrain and a killhole or two in order to pop off and heal up- effectively splitting one big fight into several smaller fights.
I have a video up on Youtube which has the Smaug fight in it. I think it's at CLvl30 or so.
>>146037329
And none of that is even necessary unless you're playing a challenge race or some kind of conduct. You can just spam bolt or cloud spells forever, tittyfucker
>guard I couldn't see spots one of my guys
>cloak and take him out
>this activates a daemon
>the daemon revives a dude I just took out with monst3r's goddamn 8 turn gun
>he's able to immediately track my agent
>even if I cloaked in with Decker to take him out Decker would then be killed by the guy to his left, and that would also leave me with nothing that is able to pierce lvl 2 armor that was granted by a different Daemon
well fugg. Pretty sure run is fucked at this point. Trying to keep 4 people hidden at once is actually kind of difficult, especially when one of them turns into dead weight with too much armor.Is it cool to talk about Invisible Inc here? I figure it hits all the marks of being turn based/tilebased/permadeath but it doesn't have an ASCII display like most of the games discussed here
>>146037329
Those cute tricks are really only of use in the first quarter of the game though, and even then not fog big fights. You try that stuff in a branch and you'll just get your ass blasted.
>>146039069
top down
turn based
grid based
procedurally generated
non-modal
permadeath
I don't know if that game fits since I haven't played it, but those are the reqs.
You'll probably still get shit flung at you because it costs money.
>>146038240
I managed to do it next attempt. One or more of the following was enough to turn it around:
>finding a +4 con item for more hp
>getting him stunned
>being lucky enough to phase door into a sealed area to guzzle all my potions
>not hitting myself with a rock
He dropped nothing useful except for some mediocre cursed randart boots.
>>146039657
Yeah. You should try to set up the area so that it's likely that your phases will break LOS for several or more turns allowing you to heal up constantly.
>>146039069
how good/bad is this game?
Another hour of my life wasted thanks to the abyss. I have the worst luck possible short of dying in real life.
>have an amulet that activates for clairvoyance
>still hoarding enlightenment potions in my home
why am i such a hoarder rlg
What's the general opinion on Slash'Em Extended? Would I find it fun if I'm bad at vanilla Nethack and can't get past the mines?
Anyone have any ideas for fun runs for DCSS?
I usually play as a troll monk and pick up Yredelemnul asap and just minionmancer my way around, I've only managed to clear spider and then die that way tho.
Also played a spriggan enchanter and died on dungeon 4 or 5 every time
>>146042869
No, it's bloaty as fuck and harder. Stick with vanilla nethack, you'll get better.
>>146042991
draconian transmuter
>>146039301
Well it's isometric rather than top down and I don't really know about non-modal so...eh?
>>146040673
It's pretty good, you can kind of think of it like a stealthy XCOM with less RNG. It'll probably go on sale during the steam summer sale so I'd probably pick it up them.
>>146043053
So it's not a roguelike.
>>146039069
get out of here with your shitty normie game
>>146039301
>>146043053
Top down or isometric doesn't matter as long as it's on a 2d grid in my opinion.
What does non-modal mean?
>>146042991
Tengu Gladiator with polearms. Go Kiku, and pain brand your quarterstaff. Once you get castable/evocable blink, leave Kiku for Oka. Hope for staff of death.
Or, like the other anon said, Draconian Transmuter of Chei.
Vinestalker Monk of Sif Muna
Demonspawn Monk, let your mutations choose a god
>>146043575
You know how in Nethack, the shops have all the items lying on the ground and you don't even go into a menu to buy them? The shopping system is completely non-modal.
You know how in Fallout, you walk around freely, but once combat starts, the HUD changes and the gameplay is turn based? The combat system in Fallout is modal.
>>146042991
MuMo challenge but with Minotaur/Troll
>>146043575
a "modal" game would be like in final fantasy where you walk around on the map screen and then when you run into an enemy it changes to a battle screen - aka a different mode
>>146043280
oh, okay
>>146043484
if it was a normie game more than like 5 people would've played it
Looks like it's...
!!SPONTANEOUS DANCE PARTY TIME!!
>>146043808
It's more of a roguelike than some of the games that get posted here. Isometric view just changes the viewing angle. That's less of a difference than going from ASCII characters only to tiles. Many of these games are modal, including menus for shops and inventory or minigames like in C:DDA
>>146044080
it's more of a roguelike than dda
it actually has a win condition instead of "just survive and do furry RP forever!"
>>146045791
>just survive and do furry RP forever
I call that winning.
>>146010470
no that's stupid
it literally takes years and it's not fun
>>146021796
when you grab a pudding you pour some to the ground
it's the new container-that-aren't-really-sealed system
you can pour water in a pot and drink from it now, but if you pick it up you'll clone it on the floor where you won't be able to grab it
due to an oversight puddings are classified as not sealed which means the game thinks they're open and spill on the floor every time you pick them up
>>146027149
>>146026947
>>146026327
It's nice to see our cropping skill going back to the usual levels
>>146044080
>It's more of a roguelike than some of the games that get posted here.
oh hey I'm just in time to leave from this discussion again
>>146047389
Not entirely true. You CAN pick it up, but it has to be in your hands.
>>146048408
yes but every time you pick it up and cancel the action, you magically create a puddle of the liquid you spilled in the same quantity.
>>146049292
Only if you actively decide to spill it, if your hands are full. Cancelling out does nothing. Literally. It literally does nothing because it doesn't process an action to pick up until you make the choice to spill or drop your wielded item.
>>146049747
well it doesn't do that in my version.
In my version it just drops whatever's in the pot and the pot is still full afterwards.
I made a pool of (52) water from a single pot who contained two.
I still wonder if I can exploit this to get infinite water right at the start of the game.
>>146049873
Must be a bug in the latest commits. I'm using 13994-ga9d94ff and it's fine. Make sure to report it.
Also nope, can't get water from the ground unless it's in a suitable furniture container i.e. a toilet. Not like it matters anyway, you can get enough drinkables in the early game for it to no matter, and infinite water pretty soon after (i.e just go down a manhole into the sewer or use a shallow pond or a river)
>>146050214
>can't get water from the ground unless it's in a suitable furniture container
not even when crafting?
I forgot how fun Nethack was
>>146052129
Nethack sucks, it's overhyped and old as fuck.
>small dungeon size
>terrible UI
>terrible enemies
>terrible gameplay
>terrible strategy
>terrible developers
>terrible everything
>>146052129
Most people forget how fun exploration can be after playing DCSS for a while, in nethack every turn is meaningful
>>146054470
>overhyped and old as fuck.
Gee maybe those are correlated in some way
>small dungeon size
60+ floors that aren't so big you can lose any pursuers is much better than having the equivalent of Gehennom mazes on every level
Speaking of which, i don't think Gehennom is fun or well designed, but i understand the purpose behind it
>terrible UI
>implying
>terrible enemies
Great variety with some less serious ones to spice things up, what's not to like?
>terrible gameplay
>implying
>terrible strategy
>IM-FUCKING-PLYING
>terrible developers
Can't argue with that. At least they try to *design* rather than removeNo shit i know it's bait i'm just bored
Child-bearing hip-shooter.
>>146054980
Hey, anon. Please don't respond to a shitpost which presents no arguments. Thanks.
>>146055131
Would you rather have mr artistically inclined >>146055079 here?
Help i can't stop playing demonspawns they're too much fun
>>146055414
I guess a bump is a bump when we're in the dead zone.
Maybe this isn't the place for me after all.
Anyone got a link for latest (available) Cogmind build?
>>146055676
>Metal Babble
Abort.
>>146054980
>sucking the dick of nethack this hard
waaaah! I'm only good at nethack and that meany just insulted it! Waaaaaah!!!!! Better act like nethack isn't SHIT.
Sorry to offend you but nethack sucks. Why not play a modern one like CDDA or DCSS? CDDA has more items than nethack ever will despite being in development for under 20 years unlike nethack.
>>146055764
>not fisting the babble into submission after luring it into your rape forest
>>146056394
I don't even understand how the babble fight works. Is there just a miniscule chance for it to take damage from any hit and you just have to hit it enough or what?
>>146056015
I don't think you're allowed to have opinions about roguelikes when you go around recommending CDDA to people, anon.
There's a rule about it somewhere.
Face it, you're all just huge shitters at everything, especially life.
Embrace it, and you will become more powerful than you could've ever imagined.
Hey, blind guardian anon. I finally took the plunge and gave them a shot and they're bretty gud. Thanks m80.
>>146056679
You're pretty shit at shitposting.
>>146056527
You can't drive vehicles in ANY other ROGUELIKES, all other ROGUELIKES are copies of nethack/rogue but with better Uis .
There is not physics in AnY other rogue game out there you fucking faggot
>>146055079
top fucking kek
Jesus christ what the fuck
>>146056462
As far as I know, nobody has ever killed the babble in melee without a needle before.
It's got like
10 THOUSAND AC and really really low HP like 5 or something
so yeah
but you don't usually get a chance to actually hit it because it spams psycho spears with +80 speed at you like nobody's business.
>>146056679
I don't know I think I got really good at editing comics in the last few years.
>>146056953
>puts on Z glyph
>phases through the walls of your car
Psshh... nothin personnel... kid
>physics
>>146056840
I've recently rediscovered them because of that anon and I would like to thank him also.
Playing Sil while listening to "Noldor" or "time stands still at the iron hill" creates a whole new sense of immersion.
>>146057297
Byotiful.
>>146057297
They have physics
They'll have z levels soon
They have A TON of items
They have DINOSAURS
They have zombies
They've got a ton of content compared to old man's nethack hunger clock orb simulation happy time game ()
>>146057297
>He doesn't have 2 layers of walls on all sides of his vehicle
We've known how to avoid Z phasing for a long time.
>>146057504
Nethack has physics too if you're going to call what Cata has physics.
>>146057601
The fact that it happens at all is pretty embarrassing.
>>146057617
NETHACK DOESN'T HAVE CAR
TO H E PHYSICS IT NEEDS CARS
FUCKINY MORONN
fuck
>>146057601
actually that never worked. You can try now with a tank (that has 5 layers by the way) and if you turn you STILL get bitten because they just walk through the five \s.
The only way to actually fix it was using reinforced windshields ( a pain in the ass) or substituting the letter " to all quarterpanels in the json instead of \ and |.
>>146057617
I agree, nethack has better physics than cata. Objects actually fall down holes for example.
>>146057764
>implying nethack has physics
CDDA is the proper name and it has cars it has more physics go to hell
>>146057712
Well now, you've bested me.
I retract my argument, you have a brilliant point there.
>>146057863
Finally you have come to understand what makes a real ROGUELIKES. Maybe you will grow up to e a great ROGUELIKES master someday, Ash.
But no matter what know that it's the journey not te path the path you choose ON THE JOURNEY TO WIIIIN.9
>grab tank
>just one quarterpanel next to the controls
>zombies can eat my face without even needing to enter
10/10
Now let's see if the whole " from | works because that looks like a really good idea actually
>>146057972
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>146058189
Don't tell me what to do faggot ;)
Now go ahead and select all the street signs just for me hehehe
>>146058481
>using 2.0
Retard?
>>146042869
The Amy says that the early game is easier and the late game is harder, though YMMV. The best way to find out is probably giving it a try. :)
>>146058647
>calls me a retard
>is still replying to my b8 after all this time
TOPKEK
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holy shit it works!
IT WORKS!
The only problem is that I can't find "heavy duty board" for the life of me in the .json which is weird as fuck
I'll look into the blazemod folder I guess.
Anyway just substituting your letter from | to " works, but on regular cars you find you're still gotta add that extra layer of quarterpanels/boards because a single " layer doesn't work.
This is great!
>>146058836
The properties of glpyhs are hard-coded? Holy shit this is worse than finding out PCB animated weapons have their guaranteed drops tied to their glyphs.
I looked at the github and apparently boards are stored into the vehicle folder/boards.json
why the fuck is there a separate json for boards
when almost all the vehicle parts are into vehicle_parts.json
that's so stupid
>>146058951
No no. They are just put in a silly place.
The whole | turns into \ thing is just an alphabetical problem, you see. It's just a poor choice of letters.
but with " or maybe even #, I still have to check, the problem is fixed! You still gotta double layer which can be quite painful on large vehicles, but the problem is fixed! No more tunneling!
This is extremely satisfying.
But gosh does it look bad. I think # might work better.
oh man that botched crop really remembers me my study break was over one hour ago
don't die while I'm away!
>>146059249
I'm confused, so they aren't tied but you do this to remind you that there needs to be multiple layers?
>>146059249
Specific glyphs having innate properties (monsters being able to bypass /|) at all is a fucking retarded decision.
>>146059379
>so they aren't tied
what
| turns into \ automatically because if you turn | by 45 degrees you get \ because the viewpoint shifts
the problem with that is that while | works at fending off zombies, \ and / let zombies through because of an internal fault of the engine
meanwhile " and # no matter how you turn them keep their shape and thus they don't let zombies tunnel through
now I really have to go anon
>>146059319
Studia caprone
>>146060536
>capronesono in pausa pranzo fino alle 2.30, poi apre la biblioteca e posso andare a studiare.
Based acquirement.I miss rods of demonology.
>>146061389
Reminder that this will never happen again.
>>146061389
>Shadows AND clouds
Based 2pak watching your back.
>>146061474
>He doesn't acquire rods everytime
>>146061506
Rods have been shuffled over to Misc acquirement, I thought?
>>146061678
Still works with "staff" in 0.18.
>>146061817
Yeah it's in trunk.
Enjoy your nerfed BoB's and Sacks when you upgrade, I guess.
>>146061961
GAS THE DEVS
GIT WAR NOW
>>146061961
Why the fuck would anyone "upgrade"? That's like playing PCB 4.0.2
>>146062131
Everyone keeps saying this, but most people in this thread seem to play the latest stable and you probably will too.
>>146062131
>Muh pudding farming
>>146061678
Oh that is super lame, why would they make that change to the game. What are the odds of rods from misc? I don't want a disc.
>>146062204
>you probably will too
Over me fucking my dead body.
>>146062204
latest stable or trunk*
>>146061961
Do they fail to use on breaking or get used and then break in latest version? Forgot that.
>>146061961
The BoB&sack change just promotes more RNG, same as everything in the game
>You can still die in a single hit with 100AC/100EV if your defensive rolls go poorly while the enemy's go well
10 out of fucking 100 game design
>>146062295
Go fist a sister, that was a grade A fault.
Genius.
>>146062482
was listening to that ten minutes ago
2spoop
>dicku-kun actually released his ffta hack thing
ha ha time fornot roguelikes
>>146062208
1/8 apparently.
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e2097fa391c8ee34728c85037e012442940a8bda
>>146062250
Sure, anon, sure.
>>146062293
They have a 1/4 chance of blowing up on every use which successfully summons, apparently.
>>146062371
Oh don't worry, i know i can fault pretty hard, but you can't deny that it's entirely possible for that to happen
>Botch EV roll
>AC rolls a 1 because RNG is FUN
>GDR doesn't shave off enough damage from the 3d36 or whatever the fuck crystal spears have
>Die because the most important thing to have in the game is HP and you didn't have enough
>>146062482
>the rest of the song is removed
>>146062634
Anon the only part of the game where bad luck matters is really early.
>>146062606
FUCK. RIP my rod runs, carried eternally by clouds.
>>146062634
GDR doesn't work on LCS, only melee. HP is the benchmark for fighting LCS dudes by the way. You can ignore their LCS in a myriad of ways even. Stop being so salty, you're better than that.
>>146062724
My second splat ever was as MiBe in vaults 4
>46/28/20 split
>83 HP
>Fighting a titan
>Faggot elf comes in LoS behind the titan
>Kill it, receive LCS up my anus for 95 damage
I'm STILL salty about that
>>146062798
Oh it doesn't? EVEN BETTER
>>146062604
Tactics advance? That's a childhood favorite, gimme link kind anon.
>>146062942
Getting mad about dying in roguelikes is not the true path, my child.
Once you accept own fault into your heart, you shall be imperishable.
>>146063047
http://ffhacktics.com/smf/index.php?topic=11272.0
let's do out best!
I guess I should jump back on that crawl boat. I'm falling behind compared to everyone else.
>>146063558
>Fall down a shaft 3 floors
>Fall down another shaft for 1 floor
k
>>146057131
You had like a million ways of avoiding that.
>>146064113
>playing for an hour, doing well
>fall down 2 floors into a pile of monsters
>use scroll of teleportation
>teleport a few tiles away from them next to a dead end
>use another scroll, takes a while, hp lowered to near-death
>teleport next to some low level enemy and get killed by it immediately because low hp
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>146064308
I was starting to believe that sister fister might not have been a good player.
Now I'm sure of it.
I want to get into online DCSS, what's a good server?
>>146064661
>might not have been a good player.
that's beautiful, I'm forgetting how to write
*might not be
>>146057131
>not using scrolls of blinking to blink over to the stairs
>not using potions to heal yourself
>not using net to capture the bug
>not using wand to paralyze bug
>not using wand to teleport bug away
>not using dart to confuse bug
>not using scroll of teleport
How did you let this happen senpai?
>>146064696
CAO/CBRO in NA. CJR in North-Eastern US/Eastern Canada. CUE/CXC/CDO(console only) in EU.
>>146064546
I just found the hat of pondering but realized that ants can't wear hats. Eternal sadness reigns.
>>146064847
He probably didn't realize that boulder beetles hit like a truck.
>>146065064
>not using the arena to test out all enemies before playing the game to know what you'll be up against
It's like he doesn't even know how to play roguelikes. He should have known the beetle would be dangerous, it can't even wield weapons so the damage it deals is consistent each encounter.
You can't just play the game without knowing what you're up against otherwise it's just trial and error, plus it's very innificient to play that way if you're speed running like I like to do regularly.
>>146059249
wtf are you even trying to do? if its about that diagonal parking bug please understand that no body gives a fuck about diagonal parking even if it gets fixed.
>>146065039
Where does /rlg/ hang out?
>>146065413
BEROTATO
Superb disarming skill, they said.
>>146063348
>that changelog
Nice. Thank awoo.
Hey, Olgreb's is pretty good now that it doesn't poison you.
>this thread
>>146057221
I have seen two people melee the babble without needle
one abused Forest Creation, the other abused Dimension Door
you need to get lucky to hit its absurd AC
>>146058836
w
t
f
I hope this is not real and that it just seems to be working
because holy shit that's awful otherwise
>>146067978
Why is it awful?
>>146055461
>demonspawns
>fun
Playing a monstrous demonspawn w/o robust is like playing an exceptionally shitty troll.
>>146068981
Powered by Death leaves troll regeneration in the dust, and there's only a 10% chance of rolling monstrous. Demonspawn mutations lend themselves to many more playstyles than trolls do, as well, even if you can't plan for them very well from character creation.
>>146016034
I also have an issue with Cata, where I can't damage NPCs with guns, and they can't damage me, because every shot keeps reflecting, even a dozen point-blank shotgun shots on a t-shirt
>>146069686
i believe i saw this being reported
>>146069686
Have you tried taking off your amulet of reflection
>>146070418
appropriate but not funny
>>146068175
because the zombie collision code caring about glyph (which should be purely visual, not logical) is a real thing then that's totally fucked
>>146071291
>caring about glyph
Where did you get that idea from?
>>146071291
Well, it is.
I don't know what to tell you, anon. Only that it works if you double-layer with "s or #s or @s.
I've extensively researched it and the glyph appears to be both the problem and the solution.
>>146071398
I read the earlier post to be that changing the vehicle turning side glyphs / and \ to something else fixed the zombiephasing bug
it was the first thing I read when I woke up so maybe I was hallucinating and still half asleep
actually it might also work if you use o's like the ones that are already being used for wing mirrors. That might actually look aesthetically pleasing AND safe.
Just go around in your bubble car.
>Never tried an actual roguelike (just roguelites like Spelunky, Nuclear Throne, 20XX).
>See this thread.
>Brogue looks good, and it's one of the hardest apparently, I'm game.
>First run, get chased down by a bloat before I figure out how to use darts and die to super aids.
>Second run, quit after losing all of my shit to water. Fuck.
>Third run, try to manfight a goblin conjurer without darts.
Why is this shit so goddamnfun? Why didn't anybody tell me about these games? I just nerded out and wiki binged, let's fuckin' go boys. I needed this after wasting 2 weeks of my life on World of Skinner Box.
>>146072152
Glad you're having fun
I feel like lair has a less EXP than before, but only a little less. Olgrebs is pretty bonkers and really wrecks a lot of the nasty group situations in lair.
>>146064546
>>146064847
Like >>146065064 said, i didn't expect him to bite for 38 damage
>Check wiki
>d45
Oh goodie, hooray for RNG
>>146073224
>Enemy hits for 45
>Get surprised when it hits for 38
Stop being such a baddy.
>>146073474
>25AC
>28% GDR
>Effective damage reduction is 7
>And only if my AC roll went poorly
>45-7=38
You can see why i'm beginning to hate DCSS's "everything is 1dX"
>>146073794
>Know it can hit for 38
>HP less than 38
>Still tab even though you have a multitude of other ways to kill it
Step it up.
>>146074129
>It can hit for 38
>Only if it rolls a 1 in 45 chance
>And only if I roll lower than less than half of my AC
whoops i guess the only winning move is not to play
>>146074576
You're like the SpEn players of ye olde crawl who thought that surely their 40 EV and 10 AC would stop them from getting ass guttered in the most extreme fashion by the elves. Except worse. Seriously, you have to play around the RNG. You can't just hope bad things won't happen even if they have a 1% chance. You'd fucking hate fire emblem or Xcom.
>>146072152
welcome to our shared little hell
>>146076425
one night you might
>>145929653
My early game is always shit. Out of my gazillion plays as a HuFi, I always never find a scimitar with a fire brand. Erica will 100% always be carrying a shit dagger instead of the normal scimitar with fire brand, Azrael and those Fire genies rarely appear at the Dungeon/Orc so most of the time my early game goes down the gutter.
So underwhelming once I managed to get past that though. Literally tabbed my way through those 14 runes without spells except Tomb because it's an abnormal branch
>>146076656
>quiver: 4 scrolls of fear
this is fine
>>146072152
poschengband is one of the best skinner boxes around
>>146072152
>some extreme nastiness, yes.
you are a person thats been kidnaped by casuals. now you are free.
Its times like this where I remember I can't teleport. That ghost is a 35 AC/5 EV MiBe. Kinda funny.
>>146077254
>what is shafting
>>146077620
I gave her the shaft if you catch my drift. Ghost got dismissed by my amulet and I evoked my feet and scuttled away.
>>146071291
Is there no way to actually fix the fault in the engine?
>>146076897
Yeah, but at least in these skinner boxes you spend short amounts of time slamming numbers into things with the hope that your numbers are bigger so that you have a chance to survive, and if you don't you start over and lose everything. Getting to those bigger numbers involves calculated risks and some amount of strategy.
WoW and other MMO's are just dumping enormous amounts of time slamming numbers into things that don't stand a chance against you so that you stand a chance against dungeons and raids, but you spend so long face-checking smaller enemies that it makes you feel like you worked to kill the bigger guy... Except you didn't because it wouldn't be that hard if you didn't have to go through thousands of smaller, trivial enemies just to level up, but the bigger guy only has a small chance to drop the thing you want and even then there's a good chance that some other guy's gonna snatch it from you. Then they call that "progression" or something idk. That's a skinner box too, but the only thing that challenges is my patience.
I mean hell, you can't even optimize your numbers to fight stronger enemies than you're supposed to, because even if you try, their aggro ranges get like 3 times as big, they dodge all of your attacks, and get ridiculous damage reduction against you because their level number's bigger and nothing else. And all of the cool goods you might want don't even spawn, and even if you buy them they just don't work because your level number isn't big enough. Almost like the stats are meaningless or something and they want you to commit yourself to their skinner box.
[/rant], but holy damn do people miss the point of RPG's. They can be cool as fuck but there's so much soulless shit out there that's just designed to get you like a crack addict.
>>146078874
If WoW had permadeath by default and you couldn't toggle it off, it wouldn't be as famous as it is now.
Imagine if Diablo was hardcore mode only.
Man that would have been fun. I wonder if there are some hardcore servers.
Hexes and Dith sucks, all those one shots in lair aren't worth getting buttfucked in vaults and zot.
>>146079485
Eeeeeh? Just a +5 weapon?!
>>146079393
Well besides, to make that work you'd have to multiply XP by like 100 or some shit, then remove the arbitrary bonuses enemies get against you or you get against enemies for being over/underleveled. And remove the stupid instakill guards from towns and shit.
That said I'd totally play a roguelike MMO if that was financially sustainable.
>>146079958
>roguelike MMO
you'd have to sac turn based movement, which would make it not a roguelike.
>>146080059
Oh, whoops. I'm so used to hearing the really vague roguelite definition that I forgot about that part.
What if you had a roguelike that was basically single player for the main game, but you could meet up with other players at dungeon entrances and take them on WoW-style, and then you could set up turn plans on short timers (think clicking a square to auto-path to it) with randos or with as much time as you need with a premade? That might be cool and wouldn't even need MMO-style server structures per se.
>>146079485
But hexes are pretty good throughout vaults/depths if you can get a 1v 1-3~ situation.
>>146079485
Hexes are cool m8.
>>146079393
Diablo 3 has hardcore ladder, the hardcore players can't interact with softcore players. It's really fun. The hardcore metagame is actually really well done in D3. And the game is genuinely very fun in general now, unlike at launch.
Runescape has a hardcore ironman mode. Hardcore means you have 3 lives (you start with 1 life but can acquire 2 more, yeah it's not pure hardcore but whatever). Ironman means you can't interact with other players in any way. Except group bosses where ironmen can group with other hardcore or non-hardcore ironmen. The group bosses in rs are no joke, and when hc players die it causes so much drama it's hilarious.
I know this is only tangentially related to your post.
>>146081354
>Diablo 3
Silly anon, diablo 3 doesn't exist.
>>146079590
Dropped all my enchants on distortion qb and grew quickly tired of it's bullshit blinks.
>>146080737
>>146081040
I meant vaults $ of course and almost every other offensive school of magic would do better with 24 points in it.
>>146066491
It also does more damage at long range now.
The old verson apparently had pretty significant damage falloff based on distance, which literally nobody other than the devs knew about because it didn't communicate that fact at all.
>>146071398
When you construct a board on a vehicle in CDDA you get to choose which of several glyphs it uses so that you can make your autismobile prettier.
For some godawful reason, different glyphs have different collision properties and so the "optimal" construction strategy involves choosing the " glyph for everything instead of using | or _ for walls.
>>146082064
They don't, it's a myth.
>>146074129
I think his complaint is that he DIDN'T know it could hit that hard
why does a fucking beetle hit for 45 damage?
some shit in DCSS is way more powerful than it sounds
not that it wasn't a fault anyways
>>146082064
o,@,#,0 and °work too because they can't bend.
>>146082252
I tried it before, anon.
>>146082291
When they roll they hit for up to 60.
>>146082291
Beetles are nothing to fuck with. The strongest insect is a beetle. It can pull over a thousand times its own weight.
Check out these new harpies. I really dig a lot of these new tiles.
>>146081917
Its extremely strong now. It absolutely wrecks spider much like old school ignite poison, as well as lair and orc. Probably one of my favorite spells now.
>>146082291
I agree that the whole power level based on appearance is extremely fucked in crawl. Why would an orc with armour and a weapon be weaker than an adder, for example. But there is a treasure trove of information available in the form of learn db, bad wiki and our own players. He was at like 1/3 HP, so presumably the beetle was giving him the business before it finished the job.
>>146079958
I don't know about permadeath MMOs but there are some where you drop all your shit on death like oldschool Everquest. So I guess you keep your skill levels but you can lose all your high level gear, especially to PVP.
>>146082518
>Check out these new harpies
They look much more worthy of my spunk now.
Hot damn.
>>146082295
Glyphs only affect display.
They certainly don't affect collisions for at least 2 years.
>>146082678
They barely look humanoid anymore, you fucking furry.
>tfw not qt GWOP tile
>>146082963
You haven't really lived until you've fucked a live chicken.
Same with fish you've just caught but you have to slice the belly open first or you won't be able to smoothly slip inside.
Nothing really "furry" about it, just traditional bestiality practiced for millenia.
>>146082252
Then explain this.
I've been standing here for about an hour and they've only gotten inside because they started bashing through the panels.
They still haven't bit me.
Now I'll do the same thing with a copy of the game in which the quarterpanels aren't "s.
Where am I supposed to find my 3rd and 4th spell book in PCB? Is it just a random drop and I'm not far enough yet?
It takes a while to kill utgard-loke when you do half damage to giants, but since he's susceptible to confusion he can't do anything while I poke him to death.
Kind of odd that my giant powers include a confusion blast when so many of them aren't resistant.
>>146083342
Smaug drops 3rd, Void drops 4th.
Read the fucking pasta.
>>146083342
Smaug (level 40 of lonely mountain) drops your third book for your first realm. Null (level... the bottom of the dark cave) has the fourth book. You can also find them as a random item (and, if you have a second realm, have to). I think third books are native to depth 50 and fourth to 90.
>>146083420
>>146083539
Great. So let's say I have them. What happens if I lose them? Are they gone forever?
And this is a regular save.
>>146083253
Now I remember what could have started that glyph myth:
In older versions, vehicles could sometimes drive over critters without killing or pushing them away. Then the game would find a valid spot for the critter, often inside the vehicle.
Glyphs didn't affect it in anyway, but randomness could make it look like they do.
proptip: don't get your 4th book from null
that dungeon is awful and null is awful
it's easier to find it on the ground in rlyeh or silmiar
sometimes it's worth getting from null but in my experience only rarely
>>146083745
Read
>You can also find them as a random item (and, if you have a second realm, have to)
What makes PCB harder than, say, nethack?
>>146083745
They're a regular drop too.
You'll be swimming in the 3rd ones once you start diving a bit deeper.
>>146083745
Wait, don't mind me, I'm stupid and can't fucking read so I'm just gonna kill myself
>>146082518
Remember when harpies would steal your food? I wouldn't mind sharing a ration with one of those cuties
>>146083825
>randomness
Not really. They go through |s because they turn into \s when you turn.
As you can see in >>146083773 the only thing that's keeping the zombies on the north is the fact that the boards are _s between the \s, meanwhile in >>146083253 they can't even go through.
>>146083886
Nethack is consistent and logical.
PCB is a grindfest with bullshit end-game and final fight.
Summoning and dispel are bullshit.
But the lootgame ridiculous.
>>146083886
There's so much more bullshit and overall grind. Nethack is tough, but with proper practice you can get through it all barring extremely unlucky cases.
PCB also isn't designed very well, whereas Nethack's development is legendarily tempered, if not slow.
>>146083353
there are actually uniques that don't resist confusion?
scrolls of monster confusion seem like they would be really strong against them
If only I wasn't too lazy to check which ones they are
>>146084024
>As you can see in >>146083773 the only thing that's keeping the zombies on the north is the fact that the boards are _s between the \s, meanwhile in >>146083253 they can't even go through.
No, it's the part where they bashed the tank in a different way, which is random.
In the " one, they didn't bash down the doors, while in the | one they did.
Glyphs only affect one thing: display. That's it.
>>146083849
Or if you're nature/daemon/sorcery you can do the quest in Zul
>>146083886
In PCB, you can often die in two rounds against late game monsters if you are unlucky.
In Nethack, it's basically impossible to die from hitting 0 hp for most of the endgame if you're not doing weird conducts.
Neither one of these is really ideal, but it's what we have.
Pcloud + Olgreb's toxic radiance + Ignite poison is some premium fun. Easiest Ilsuiw fight I've ever had. Poison is the most fun school and I wish it didn't fall off so hard.
hory shet
too bad costs 700k, I'm nowhere near affording it
>>146084362
Alright since you appear to be completely disresputing facts, let's try it this way.
This is a two-layered car with heavy duty quarterpanels.
they got through in five turns.
So uh
are you gonna tell me they got through by bashing the quarterpanels in one turn, buddy?
because that might just end this argument more quickly for me.
>>146084314
Yeah, a fair amount of dangerous giants (both kinds of titans, elder storm, hru, botei-building, utgard-loke, atlas, kronos) don't resist confusion.
>>146084625
Is this some sort of a complex trolling thing?
Glyphs affect literally only display. The game is open source and it's easy to check that the only thing that part symbol affects is display by just searching for all ".sym".
Not sure if it's randomness, your modified version or you just lying, but it's not glyphs affecting physics.
>This wasn't a 3xbow instead
I'm 'mirin that .4 delay though.
>>146085412
>Chei disapproves
Don't disappoint papa Chei now.
>>146085270
>Glyphs affect literally only display.
Tell me, buddy
what is the difference between a quarterpanel and a windshield?
The glyph.
Literally, that's the only thing. The flags? They have the same fucking flags.
The glyph is the only difference.
So if I use a quarterpanel and turn, I use a | glyph that turns into a \ which in turn is bypassed because the mobs can walk through \s for some god forsaken reason.
But "s don't turn.
And that's why they still haven't eaten my face.
And I wouldn't call your trolling complex, anon. You're giving yourself too much credit
>>146086047
>And I wouldn't call your trolling complex, anon. You're giving yourself too much credit
6/10
You managed to lead me on for a while, but it was more of a
>what the fuck
thing than being mad.
Pretty subtle up until that point where you said
>no, you're trolling, not me!
The problem isn't difficult
zombies walk through \s because the glyph allows them to walk through them. You can walk through \s too.
But you cannot walk through "s.
And that is because they don't turn.
Now jesus christ I have been explaining this for the past half an hour with pictures and you haven't even proven anything, except repeating the same thing over and over "changing glyphs doesn't actually change anything"
So how about you stop pretending to be retarded and just please for the love of god please stop trying to defend a lost cause?
I've showed you zombies getting through a tank
then not getting through "s
then getting though a car with double \s in two turns
and not getting into a car with "s in what's that ten turns
my autism has defeated you and proved I'm right.
>>146086047
You're just assuming that he will take for granted that "zombies can walk through \"
But that part is the part he's disagreeing with. Quote some code or something.
>raiding a town at night
>go from no zombies to 4 shady zombies surrounding me in the space of one turn
>they grab me and start gangbanging me
>can't escape
>spitter zombie moves into view
rip
At least the fixed fireplaces are great now, 10 two by fours burned for 16 hours straight, it makes not having a permanent source of light incredibly manageable. My fucking scent kept leaking out the house though so I'd have zombies crashing through boarded up windows at 3:30 in the morning.
>>146086724
>You're just assuming that he will take for granted that "zombies can walk through \"
first, I showed that in >>146084625 unless you want to tell me that a zombie smashed through a heavy duty quarterpanel in two turns.
Second, it's not a coded thing.
It's an error.
It's an error due to the choice of a wrong glyph.
It's okay though, even if I'm being memed on by master memers I'm happy I've found a way to fix the zombies tunneling problem, which turns out is just to turn the quarterpanel glyphs into "s.
And everyone else who plays DDA can at least finally fix this problem too.
>>146087167
So you're saying that you can't prove what you just said.
>>146087167
What drives men to meme like this?
What kind of sick meman misleads people in a oat farming roguelike and misleads them that the source of their problems is display characters?
I smell a new meme
>tfw getting to level 50 on an android
oh yeah baby
too bad maulers don't actually get anything for it
It's been a while.
>>146087640
wait that's not true I got another +1 to damage sides on my weapon
>>146087841
>forgot image
do people even play dda anymore
>>146087995
it's beautiful
>>146026947
>honestly
better buy CoQ
>>146087995
>4k damage
Dayum son
>>146088951
Unfortunately a lot of it is coming from my elemental-brand gauntlets so I don't want to wear the Thanos that I just found :(
hashtag firstworldproblems
>>146088307
No, there's a dda image creator app that draws dda vehicles with board glyphs replaced with " and generates a meme post to go with it.
>>146083773
>>146084625
wtf
anon i dont want to insult you but are you retarded?
>>146087403
this
Check my loot pile.
>>146089785
>wielding a laj of protection
but why
>>146089785
wow that really is poschengcrawlstonesoup
well for weapon choices
>>146089885
I started as a staff fighter. The laj has been my bff since sometime in dungeon/spider when I acquired it. The protection has been pretty relevant since my AC is so middling. I really don't know what weapon to use now though.
>>146089785
>Fo of Chei
>19 30 15
>>146089785
>formicid of chei
>wearing +1 leather armour
Why
>>146090082
My next best armour is a QDA. I'm going to look for some a nice branded pl8 and see how it affects my casting. I was kind of hoping for a dumb CPA or something in elf, but I'll have to commit now.
pcb randart names are real good
New thread never ever.
>>146092328
>>146092328
move it lads
>>145929653
first for chei
