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6.88 in http://store.steampowered.com/news/22385/
Aui out http://welcomehome.gg/

>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Latest patch: http://store.steampowered.com/news/22385/
New players: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/
Wiki: http://www.dota2.gamepedia.com/
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/
Lore: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923
Guides: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides
Cosmetic simulator: http://d2armory.com/
Competitive Scene: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page

>STATISTICS
Competitive DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.datdota.com/
DOTA 2 analysis: http://www.dotametrics.wordpress.com/
Personal statistics: http://www.dotabuff.com/
Personal statistics#2: http://yasp.co
Hero stats: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/heroes/herodata/
Hero and DPS calculator: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/

>NEWS & STREAMS
http://www.joindota.com/
http://www.gosugamers.net/
http://www.liquiddota.com/
livestreamer GUI: https://github.com/bastimeyer/livestreamer-twitch-gui

>BETTING
Cosmetic items: http://dota2lounge.com/
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Am I back?
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HAHAHA EBIN DOS DAMAGAY

SNCIKETY SNOCKETY SNOOK :-----DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
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Reminder that Death Prophet didn't deserve ANY nerfs
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>call it 6.88
>its not a major patch

Explain this shit dotards.
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>>145353445
well perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
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Where's that retard who thought Valve rules were just Reddit bullshit and the rule he pulled from his ass about defending champs was true?
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>tfw you have a quarry to settle
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>>145353581
i didn't know fear worked for valve or was icefrog himself. thanks for the memo though ;^)
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what willn be the meta 1 and 2 this patch
im t hinking tiny
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9XS9OPg_lw
Why?
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Get rid of shitposts with this one trick shitposters don't want you to know!
http://pastebin.com/Y4gdRkQC
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>>145353842
because people like you link it all over the place and give them views
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>>145353908
Friendly reminder that people who unironically like Zai should end their lives in a swift fashion. Thank you.
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>>145353842
>not pandering to your main audience that will dump money into your game without ever thinking about it

Redditors love it and eat it up, and thus dump more money into the game, how is this hard to understand?
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Sniper shrapnel does 825 damage at level 7 and he has 3 charges
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>>145353842
>skit
>/skit/
>noun
>a short comedy sketch or piece of humorous writing, especially a parody.
>"a skit on daytime magazine programs"
>synonyms: comedy sketch, comedy act, parody, pastiche, burlesque, satire;
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>>145353426
No because pros are too shit to play you.

>>145353428
As if getting bugs up my ass was bad enough

>>145354003
>Sandking has a 7000 damage nuke
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>>145354003
Thank you Japanese sensei
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>>145353950
RTZcucks and Kaipicucks BTFO
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>6.88
>it's 6.87d
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>>145354003
WHOA. YOU JUST NEED THE CHRONOSPHERE, LMAO
JUST LAND 3, THREE FUCKING SHRAPNELS AND YOU GET 825x3 DAMAGE

LMAO 2475
2
4
7
5

PERFECTLY BALANCED DOTARDS.
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Is the ride over?
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>call it 6.88
>is just a minor patch

You can't make this shit up, dotards.
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does anybody have the other 6.87 posters?

gotta add them to the collection now that 6.88 is out
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>>145354207
The TANKS, 'mememids' are so fucking bad in comparison to the other stuff in that
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Looks like I'll be one of those EG posters again.
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>>145354258
not at all actually, you couldn't be more wrong
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>>145354207
memeback was honestly great, buying phase mom into sny into skadi every hero
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And so the plan is set in motion. See you guys in the TI grandfinals.
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>>145354315
That build was viable in 6.87 too because pros didnt pick nukers
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>>145354337
how do you like my draft /d2g/ ?


Dager out
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This Warcraft movie is pretty good dotards
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Name a worse patch than Troll/Sniper one.

Oh wait you can't.
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>Class in 8 hours
>Physically exhausted but mentally wide awake
>Can't fall asleep

Help Dotards what do I do, I already read patch notes
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>>145354461
watch
anime
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>>145354428
Well it is pre-cataclysm lore so I would hope so.
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>>145354207
I wasn't there when tanks was posted

can you post it please so I can save it?
thank you
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>>145354258
I think we could have made a decent 6.87 meta out of this poster

>One Armlet to rule them all
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>>145354542
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>>145354438
Of course you can't. That shit literally set Dota 2 back years.
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>>145354207
you can actually see the transition into reddit
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>>145354571
too bad it doesn't have any text that would say that in any of the posters.
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>MFW D2G GETS BTFO WHEN EG IS INVITED TO TI6
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so this is gonna be the main TI patch?
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>>145354692
They're will probably be a 6.88b and c and maybe even d before TI.
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New item :

Qsanvuchsia

Belt of Strength
Robe of Magi
Band of Elvenskin
Recipe (1000/1200/1400)

+6/12/18 Attributes

Active : Summon Ksavikosh, 125 Mana/60 sec cd

Ksavikosh

Damage: Summoner's main attribute + 35
HP: 900/1400/1900
Mana: 350
B.A.T.: 1.77/1.66/1.55
Armor: 0/3/6

Abilities :

Encurse - 110 Mana, 12 CD
Increases attack speed by 15/25/35 for 8 seconds then later reduces all attack speed of affected units when duration ends by 20/30/40 for 5 seconds.

Ripped Jaws - 20 Mana, 12 sec cd.
Applies a buff on next attack making
the target take 30/40/50 percent more damage against summoned units for 9 seconds.

Bounty: 200/250/300
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>>145354623
thanks anon
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>wake up
>patch
Uhhh... Dotards?
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>wake up
>Zai to EG
>688 patch
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>>145353854

how fucking salty does one broseph have to be to make this shit
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If 6.88 doesn't get Beastmaster, Slardar, Naix, Disruptor under control there will probably be another patch b4 TI
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>>145354692
nah

they'll patch after opens qualifers
then after qualifiers
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>>145354669
from left to right its actually

reddit, reddit, d2g, reddit, d2g, d2g, d2g
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>>145354438
6.86 turned out to be pretty awful but yeah nothing will ever be quite as bad as troll sniper.
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ARTEEZY WAS SUPPOSE TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE BUT HE HASN'T WON A MAJOR TOURNAMENT AT ALL, WHAT HAPPENED?
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>>145354849
streaming instead of practicing
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>>145354189
No because sun ray is still an incredible skill that scales amazingly into late game
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why did Riki get nerfed
this is a valve made patch isn't it
too scared to nerf hard enough, nerfing irrelevant heroes and buffing everyone with very small numbers, these numbers all seem to be reverts to some extent too
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>>145354849
"EG sent us to a hell but we are going even deeper. Take back everything that we have lost.
"Puppey, I'm already a demon."
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>pick omni
>nobody else picks support
>pos1 is a melee hero with no laning presence
>everyone does the best to stay out of my spell range

every time
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>idiots think Beast and Phoenix got nerfed
I got some bad news m8s....
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>>145354136
Shrapnel doesnt stack tho famalam
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>>145354934
wtf happened to icefrog
why isnt he straight up killing heroes with nerfs anymore
these conspiracy theories that he isnt working on dota start to make sense now
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>>145354678
How about this one then?
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>it's a pie gets fucked in the ass episode
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>Kaldr vs Pudge

:(
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>tfw fell for the meme that dota is good again
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Is this the "Alliance wins TI" patch?
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>>145355125
mute all
mute team
random
play on your own
enjoy dota
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>>145355039
Unironically rewatched the Mario Party games 3 times.
Made me feel like I had friends.
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>>145355006
Can still be made as a Manila special edition poster. "Return of the King" is pretty fucking fitting for that.
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Never-ending Crystal Maiden buffs. I get it Icefrog, I'll start playing support, jeez.
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>>145355140
Loda would have to unretard his monkeybrain so no.
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>>145354189
pretty much

that and DP's siphon got nerfed into the ground
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>play heroes with fat teamfight ults like tidehunter, warlock, magnus
>they always feel low impact and dissatisfying
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ELDER TITAN WASN'T NERFED

M E T A
E
T
A
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>>145355148
You really shouldn't play a team game if you're pretty much playing on your own.
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>>145355004
I think he does, just definitely not this patch
this is the dumbest sequence of nonevent number changes i've seen in a while
the only change anyone will notice is winter wyvern's ult cd, because she'll shit out more ults that nobody does any damage with
I dare anyone to ask in game what this patch changed in a month's time
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>>145355216
until you realize that the Dota 2 community is full of morons who you'd rather not communicate with.
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>>145355157
Well I've never done this kind of shit before, but I'll see what I can do.
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>>145355185
If you didn't think Spirit Siphon was flagrantly overpowered, you should just leave /d2g/ right now.
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I just randomed invoker, I never used him in my entire life. How do I play him? ring of repick?
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>play 4 games without even realizing there has been a patch

epic
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>>145355350
>never used him in my entire life. How do I play
repick now

if you want to learn him you will have to play bots first
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How would you make Sniper viable again?

At the very least Shrapnel should stack imo
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>>145355350
level wex and exort
the only spells you will need are alacrity and sunstrike to throw out random assists onto lanes or stealing kills if you get gud
go to safelane
click hard
build clicking hard items
never level quas
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>>145355412
Make him into a support
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>>145355412
9.0 Int gain
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>>145355412
should shrapnel stack so you don't feel retarded for saying it does
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I liked Sniper/Troll thing. I am kinda dumb and the game was easy back then.
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>>145355553
Hello RTZ
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>>145355412
he's viable to an extent
you have to pick him in the right lineup, he can't handle anyone who can get up in his shit really quickly like spirit breaker
also stop building lifesteal on him
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>>145355487
>10 seconds of vision that deals damage and slows
>Insane range for unlimited harassment in lane
>Can deal 650 damage from 3000 range away on a 10 second CD that also mini stuns
He's what all supports dream of being
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>>145353357
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>sniper is back
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>>145353581

NAdotards are delusional

Even reddit agreed they would need to go through open qualifiers from the first moment. I don't know why you blame reddit when they showed more brains here than half of d2g.
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>>145353581
It's probably better that they go through the qualifiers anyway given that fact they often complain on not scrimming enough and are often out of practice.
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>>145355780
why is rtz's name in the snow
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What the fuck already 6.88

For what reason is it early which balance change justify this shit
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>>145355916
Because Manila draft revolved around four fucking heroes and was horrible to watch
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>>145355932
>I'm retarded, the post
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tutorial was right

arcane boots into spamming shrapnel
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EG CONFIRMED FOR OPEN QUALIFIERS
EG CONFIRMED FOR NOT BEING AT TI6
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>>145355932
>Those 4 heroes didn't even receive a noticeable nerf

Epic balance patch, dotard.
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>>145355975
Yeah bro epic to see top teams variety and skill reduced to picking and banning four fucking heroes and drafts centered around those heroes

Christ.
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Bye d2g, it was fun
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>>145356016
every other hero got buffs though so they're likely to be picked a bit less
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>>145356016
Because both OG and NB showcased various strats that can deal with them.
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>>145353357
>Doom
>* Doom cooldown increased from 140 to 145

FUCK JUST FUCKING REMOVE DOOM FROM THE GAME IF YOU KEEP NERFING HIM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>145356016
>1.85 BAT
>not noticeable
t. 1k peru
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>visage gets buffs
>his winrate drops by 4%
>down to 38%
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>Naix is supposed to deal with HP heavy enemies.
>Lets fuck his right click ayy lomas

?
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>tfw 8 months dota-free
should i come back?
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>>145356193
Y-yes
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>>145356193
no, it seems icefrog doesn't even patch the game anymore
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What happened to Lina
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>>145356174
t. Naix picker
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>>145356174
>100 FREE attack speed
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they did it to Aui again oh my god i can't stop laughing
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>>145356170
Gravekeeper's Cloak is a non-existant skill anyway
Compare to Refraction it's worse in every way (except not costing mana)
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>>145356308

>some dudes life is ruined
>haha so funny

fuck off
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>>145356332
>channel 4
>expecting empathy
lmoa
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>>145356332
>wins TI thx to his actually skilled teammates
>life is ruined when they kick him with 1 gorrillion dollaridoos
yeah right
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>>145356320
but now you can just set one point in it early and not be at 4 armor 22% magic resist
you have like 6/30% now and putting a second point into it is actually a decent idea now too, since it scales linearly instead of like 1/1/2/1 and 3/3/9/6 or something
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>>145356332
fool Aui once, shame on ppd

fool Aui twice, ...
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>>145356332
What happened?
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Anyone got a link to the previous thread?
I want to read the initial /d2g/ reactions to 6.88

>inb4 check archive
Im on mobile familia
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So the most relevant buffs are
>abaddon
>clock
>enigma
>meepo
>ogre
>pa
>pudge
>shadow shaman
>sniper
>troll
>warlock
>hurricane pike

and nerfs
>lifestealer
>riki
>slark

Does any of this change anything? Do any of them become relevant (or less relevant)?
imo Enigma might be picked slightly more, PA is actually ok now
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>>145354438

It's impossible to name such a patch because it clearly doesn't exist.

6.83 was the worst patch in Dota history because the OP heroes for that patch were all completely braindead, in the sense that at literally any tier of matchmaking someone playing Sniper/Troll was going to get out of hand regardless of how awful they were.

I remember watching many streams of pros losing to 4k mmr snipers and trolls. Absolutely disgusting.
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>>145356332

rofl he even got "compensation" aka fat stacks of cash just for being kicked. he'll be fine
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>>145356332
>>some dudes life is ruined

He has no one to blame but himself. He isn't getting kicked for no reason.
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>>145356387
>>145343226
Rine starts here
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>>145356381
can't get fooled again
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>>145356389
meepo's is another "it's literally nothing" change
nobody skills geostrike before 6 and nobody maxes it before 13
Visage's buffs are pretty huge and relevant but still not enough to bring that lad back into the meta
Riki's and Slark's changes are minor, riki can just buy a clarity and be good since he maxes smoke screen early now anyways and Slark's damage change is tiny, don't think it takes either of them out of the meta
LS's is huge though, might mean something for him
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>>145356496
Thanks anon
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>>145356332
maybe he shouldn't have been so fucking garbage

and i say this as someone who initially believed he was going to be a good carry (mfw fell for the he was good in dignitas meme").

He was literally worse than Bulba
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>>145354438
>Name a worse patch than Troll/Sniper one.

OD+Invo patch was legit the worst patch I've played it in the history of Dota 2 (played since the beta).
That patch actually got me to stop playing Dota 2.
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>>145356380
>>145356320
>>145356170
the problem isnt his magic resist

the problem is that his birds are pure dogshit

like someone literally explain why htey are affected by axe call and hit by axe spin???????

visage will NEVER be viable in a meta where axe is
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>>145356332
If you sleep with dogs don't be surprised if you wake up with fleas.

Aui had the choice of sticking it out with his B tier team but his ego got the better of him and he thought he could make it as a fucking POSITION 1 CARRY IN EG
Turns out, as pretty much anyone could've told you ahead of time, that didn't work out, so now he got what's coming to him and he's back in the fucking dumpster.
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>>145356521
>Visage's buffs are pretty huge and relevant but still not enough to bring that lad back into the meta

It's honestly not that big. The reason Visage isn't picked isn't because of that +2 total armor early game (since that's when the buff will be most relevant).
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Lifestealer
* Base attack time increased from 1.7 to 1.85

bravo
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>>145356575
I stopped playing sometime during last September. This game was just infuriatingly hard to play without friends and I don't have any friends.

Still watch tournaments though
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>3 second point and click root
>6 second cooldown


I'm sorry, were you trying to go anywhere ever?
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>>145356637

if you have ever interacted with a cat don't be surprised if you have toxoplasmosis
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>>145356332
he agreed to get kicked for money
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>>145356609
>hit by axe spin
anon...
also, are they hit by axe call anymore? does call pierce spell immunity?
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>>145356739
if you have ever fucked a bunny don't be surprised if you have necrophilia
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>Enigma:
>Black Hole damage type from Magical to Pure and pierces Spell Immunity
>Black Hole damage reduced from 55/110/165 to 50/100/150

brb buying black hole immortal
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Who /hoping EG get knocked out in the qualifiers/ here
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hey d2g, i fucking suck at teamfighting, i can be a 6 slotted carry ahead of everyone else and still die for nothing. what are some heroes i can play that will force me to learn

also ive never gotten a rampage, which heroes are best for that kind of thing
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>>145356867
Right here, same with secret.
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>>145356867
From MMR assassins to TI assassins
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>>145356902
yeah we know, aui
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>>145356332
>ditched out of DC immediately when he had the chance to join EG
>"waahh guys why am i kicked again?"

I'm surprised if any tier1 team ever picks this guy up again
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>>145356902
meepo
you get 6 slotted so fast you can take over the game and 1v5 if you have some meatbags to tank disables for you but if you get punished early or die for nothing, you lose the game outright
he's a fucking rampage machine too
he also helps you learn micro
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>>145356902
Watch replays of games you feel you dropped the ball at and figure out what you did wrong. You probably focus the wrong targets and don't use your skills in an efficient manner, or maybe you get kited, or maybe you lose track of where your hero is. I have those issues. Figure out what you're doing wrong and work to fix it.
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tfw no gd studio TI hub ;_;
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>>145356389
>>clock

Still irrelevant, but it's easier to run up and cog now.

>>enigma

Actually pretty solid dmg buff, but it wasn't really needed. Makes stuff like cloaks, pipes, bkb, magic resist heroes like AM/Huskar/etc and so on less effective vs him.

>>pa

Finally. She is now relevant, but not good. Might get picked every now and then in competitive.

>>shadow shaman

Bigger buff than most people think. The splash is now pretty significant. Don't think he will get picked over Lion though.

>>sniper

Better teamfight. You're pretty stupid if you don't max Shrapnel first now.

>>troll

Only real relevant part is the +3 armor and it's not enough.

>>hurricane pike

Still shit on anyone but Silencer and OD.

>>lifestealer

Pretty big nerf. Will definately be picked less.
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>>145356902
>teamfight

Your best bet is carry CM
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>>145356917
What about ppd?
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Jesus this game is hard these days
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>>145357131
It's OK, he's willing to tank a TI loss in order to gauge the strength of his enemies. It's a small price to pay for the creation of the NADota Empire.
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>>145357147
Maybe you've just gotten better and as such are matched against better enemies
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>>145356843
Just bought the best immortal with the best spell effect, feels good
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>wake up
>patch
WHAT THE FUCK DOTARDS
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>track nerfs
WHY
>centaur PA Pudge Silencer buffs
ok thanks icefraud
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>>145357357
>80 second cooldown on Winter's Curse
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EG fangay since DAC here (ikr? h-haha us oldfags).
Really looking forward to seeing EG and Secret get eliminated in one of the first rounds of open qualifers.
Theres a 50% chance that both teams will face eachother in an earlier round and maybe an even higher chance that both will need to go through the 2nd qualifier.
Serves those backstabbing cocksuckers right. RTZ for being an egomaniac child, seriously lost all respect for this dumb cunt and his buttbuddy rEEtard.
Fuck Universe for thinking he brings any value to a team on his own. Imagine Uni not leaving EG - they would have still had the TI5 lineup now, could put Fear on carry since AUI is a fucking turd on carry or swap in Zai the sub. Universe destroyed EGs chances at the direct invite.
Fuck ppd for his shitty lackluster drafts and for not carefully planning roster decisions with enough foresight to not get fucked right before the most important tournament. And fuck this guy for accepting Bulba of all people in the team.
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Is there a non-degenerate d2g discord?
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>>145357578
the resemblance
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>>145357586
And it's not even over, they have to beat some pretty tough teams in the qualifiers after that. These two teams really underestimated the worth of a invite slot
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>the patch so tiny it won't change anything apart from maybe naix getting picked slightly less

Wow great job Valve. I'm gonna love watching all the same heroes getting picked constantly like at Manila.
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>>145357586
>since DAC.
fuck off.
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>>145357643
Yes but it's garbo.
If you want an active Discord that also talks about the game and not about fucking shoes then join this.
https://discord.gg/0138gqzAj9TD3viZj
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REMINDER THAT IF YOU BUY SANGE AND YASHA ON ANY HERO YOU ARE RETARDED.

SnY - 4100g

+ 16 Damage
+ 16 Strength
+ 16 Agility
+ 16 Attack Speed
+ 16% Movement Speed
MAIM CHANCE: 30%
MOVEMENT SLOW MELEE: -26%
ATTACK SLOW MELEE: -26
MOVEMENT SLOW RANGED: -13%
ATTACK SLOW RANGED: -13
MAIM DURATION: 5.0

Hurrikane pike - 4375

+ 10 Intelligence
+ 4 HP Regeneration
+ 20 Agility
+ 15 Strength
+ 130 Attack Range (Ranged Only)
+ * Active now grants 100 Attack Speed for the 4 attacks it provides on the target

REMINDER SnY is dead
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Why did EG kick Aui and put Fear back on carry when Fear himself acknowledged Aui played it better? Isn't the right move to put Fear on coach and Aui on carry again?
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Ogre Magi
>Ignite manacost reduced from 95/105/115/125 to 90
*>Multicast interval increased from 0.4 to 0.5

Now I can spam ignite on lane even more, good, fuck the offlaners. So icefrog now wants multicast on blast not to outnuke someone but outstun, the range is too shit tho it hurts.
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>>145357770
someone will fall for this bait
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Why was the Pope of Pestilence nerfed?
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>>145357834
Do you guys think ppd would've ever invited Aui back if they didn't have 3 days to complete a roster?
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>>145357834
>the next team Aui joins will be a battered wife support group
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>>145357989
PPD could've picked from any of the handful of EU players out there who would've joined in a heartbeat to play in EG, but he didn't. Clearly, he picked Aui because he thought highly of him.
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>>145357085
>>>hurricane pike
>Still shit on anyone but Silencer and OD.
TA says hi.
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>been waiting for the EG announcement all week
>managed to sleep through it
F U C K
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>nerf necrophos because he wins by existing
>buff drow, a hero that wins by existing
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when will artour quit dota?
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>>145357975
he was buffed
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>>145358172
love this meme
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Why didn't Secret get rid of Arteezy?
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>>145357878
Fireblast is his worst skill.

Fireblast is in fact the real reason why Ogre is unpicked yet Icefraud doesn't realize that his overnerfing of the skill made the hero irrelevant.
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>>145358164
After they get bodied in TI6 open qualifiers.
He surely already realized that it's his last chance because nobody will ever let him in their team again.
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How hard did they dumpster my boy lifestealer?
im afraid to play him after he got the doom treatment.
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>>145357085
Does 0.15 increase in BAT really a big of nerf?
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>>145358225
Doom still has it worse
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If /d2g/ is so good, why isn't there a /d2g/ pro team?
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>dotards finally get a patch with no abysmal waiting
>dotards surprised
>dotards ask WHY
>dotards complain why this and that got nerfed or buffed

Are dotards truly masochist, that they want that abysmal 1 month depression of waiting for patch to hit?

pre-patch depression spawns some good memes tho, 2bh.
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>>145358269
it's almost a 10% attack speed reduction
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>>145357989
I think this pic needs SpG.RTZ 2013 and EG.RTZ 2014 to fully express the evolution
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>>145358225
Pretty bad. A worse BAT means he gets much less out of rage
Now is the time for the secret support memes
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>>145357742
>Manila literally had something like 90% of all heroes picked
>this isn't enough
fuck off retard, no-one likes meme heroes like Meepo or Techies.
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>>145358206

I know, the damage is so piss poor I don't even feel good when I level it up, but the other problem is cast range and how bad it is. I can barely stun someone in teamfights especially if they have slows, he should at least return an old cast range but can make it scale with ult so it wont be abusable early with ignite's range, and improve bloodlust ms just by a bit.
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>>145357643
fuck off with your hipster FOTM social media dickpic swap app bullshit

>>145357770
S&Y was shit since the nerf, plus there are always better options
it should never be bought in any pro matches

>>145357834
that was Fear being PC

>>145357878
le unkillable roaming oger

>>145357975
the only thing that was nerfed are the shitstains that camp in lane and max the aura

>>145358164
hope he crashes and burns right after the open qualifier loss

>>145358205
merchandise cashcow

>>145358225
its only th BAT, why are people always so anal about those micro changes
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>>145358119
Why would TA want a force staff or pike?
Only the lance itself is ok since you can disassemble it into bkb and butterfly later.
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>>145357586

>there will never be a machine to murder all DAC-TI5 NAshit babbies.

Literally the dark age of dota, the middle ages. Good to know we are living the renaissance now. Things will only get better from now on.
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>>145358269
No, he still attacks stupid fast with rage and armlet. It's only significant to all of the retarded jungler lifestealers. Based chillytoad.
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@145358486
DONT RESPOND TO THIS MAN
I REPEAT DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MAN
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>>145358269
>Does 0.15 increase in BAT really a big of nerf?

He has almost SB and Treant BAT, which is infamously terrible.
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>>145358496
>Why would TA want a force staff or pike?
To get in and out after securing a kill? Don't pretend it's not useful. You can easily rape almost anyone with Hurricane Pike + Deso, you can drop a trap for vision and get 5 attacks in including Meld without commiting to an engagement and putting yourself in danger.
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>>145358496
>Disassemble into butterfly

What
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Is Storm Spirit good now?
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>>145358624

Yes, they want to make sure EG are relevant again and can go through the qualifiers.
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>>145358414
>>Manila literally had something like 90% of all heroes picked

So why were the same heroes picked over and over again?
Do you think that because Pudge getting picked once by some shitter team that stops the patch from being massively dominated by the exact same heroes over and over again?
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>>145358624
No, his ulti was overnefed before and hasn't been fixed and it is still a huge problem to success on the hero.
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>reminder that clockwerk was robbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PznmbPUEXnU
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hello?
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Hello guys. I haven't played dota since release of 6.87 and i haven't watched any pro games.

Can anyone of you give me a quick run down on meta for 6.87 and must watch games from manila?
Also was there any new dank memes created during major?
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>>145358591
>To get in and out after securing a kill?

So why wouldn't you get it on all ranged heroes then? I mean mobility is great, right!?
No idiot. Pike is still shit because you pay almost 2500 gold for 5 more agi and irrelevant Int and hp/s, which is shit a carry doesn't want.

>>145358607
Oh shit, I forgot they changed it so you can no longer even do that. That makes the pickup even worse.
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>that slark nerf
literally dumpstered
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>>145358798
kys
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>>145358414
>>Manila literally had something like 90% of all heroes picked
>>this isn't enough
>fuck off retard, no-one likes meme heroes like Meepo or Techies.

Average pickrate of heroes was extremely low no matter cheese strats.

Dum retard
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>>145358809
>So why wouldn't you get it on all ranged heroes then?
It's actually great on Drow. It's good on all (all two) ranged damage dealing heroes.
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>>145358873
ok
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>Visage already at 60%+ winrate in 5k (and 2-3k lmao)
>buff him more
>Troll gets not just one, not even two but three more armor
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>>145358887
>make retarded posts
>call others retards
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>>145358898
It's only good on Sniper and Drow because Sniper implodes when someone gets in his face and Drow loses her Agi. That's literally the only reason to get that item, for the pushback. The actual stats themselves are terrible because you're trying to integrate a Force Staff in a carries build.
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>>145358963
And TA isn't squishy at all, right?

>>145358954
>still won't get picked
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>>145358486
>that was Fear being PC
in other words, a lying two-faced piece of shit.
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>No Lion Nerfs
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
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>Ursa buff
why
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What 'compensation' do you think Aui received?
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>First female coach to win an international
>Coached one of the best Dota 2 teams in existence
>Confident chick gamer

Apologise.
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>ditch your mom
>lose

serves you right!
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>>145359148
She looks like she has a really cute feminine penis in that photo
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>>145358773

Why did they dumpster storm so hard anyway? Memestacks were the real reason why sf and storm were so good
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>>145359285
Because no hero should have that much initiation range alongside that much damage after he hits level 6
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>>145359285
Did you see any of the games where EG dominated with Storm?

That was some top tier bullshit come late-ultralategame
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>>145358804
please respond
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>They Fell For The Honeypot Roster
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>patch the day after the major

It wasn't a "honeypot". EG and Secret are just shit.
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>decrease stats on dragon lance
Why does icefraud hate meepo so much
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>lmao let's buff every hero
Power creep is real
And it looks like LC is the new cancer
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>he actually paid valve money for dota 2
>he buys treasures and compendiums
>he still plays dota
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>>145359528
>LC is the new cancer
>new
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Consider the following:

Ember Spirit Aghaims - > Remnants now have infinite duration.
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>>145359497
Patch changes are incredibly minor so most strats are unchanged

Plus you reveal your dunning krugerness by thinking the law of the honeypot merely refers to patch strats and not overall power level and team play strategy as well
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>>145359130
ppd's boybussi
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>>145359528
Good
More retards on the enemy team will pick jungle LC and lose hard when you counter them in a multitude of ways
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>>145359663
Not even remotely worth it, you will almost never need to have a remnant up for long.
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>>145359704
and how exactly do you counter pub LC jungler lmao
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>>145359789
ward their jungle
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>>145359663
Alright i've considered it

Its shit
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>>145359770
>>145359815
What if it decreased cooldown as well so that you could just place a few remnants EVERYWHERE and then just click a button and collect all the gold.
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>>145359789
BH/Riki and pester them in their jungle

Steal farm, sap XP, rotate and fuck their lanes up once in awhile to spice things up
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