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Last thread: >>144947817
Why are we so incompetent?
>>145120702
Hope she doesn't swim with glasses on.
>>145122028
You are, I'm not.
>>145120702
YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE YOUR CHARACTERS ANNOUNCE HOW THEY FEEL
>>145125864
This makes me feel sad.
>>145125864
Sure you can.
But if you do, there's a significant chance you're a shit writer.
hello guys. I have a request for the indie devs here.
I am looking to interview indie game developers on PR and communicating with their team, their audience, and the local gaming blogs that cover them. Whether or not you are shilling your game, how you manage your social networks, these are all questions I am looking to get answered. I know a lot of you want to remain anonymous but links to your game/brand's website and personal stories help immensely. I'm writing a piece on how a indie developers should interact with the people around them.
Thanks guys!
>>145125728
Then why are you here?
>>145128432
What is this for, college, a blog, an established website, personal research?
>>145128590
There's no hangout for competent EVN people.
>>145128620
college assignment, personal research, and for a future indie game dev website.
I'm most aware of the evn scene.
>>145128893
>Do stuff for me for free
Nah.
>>145129404
so..... you expect to be paid for an interview? I was not aware this was a thing.
>>145128432
Gaming blogs?
AJ Tilley's Summer Fling was released first on Nutaku before any other platform. Sakura Dungeon did the same thing. Is it possible that Nutaku is giving them some financial incentive to do that?
I am seeing this a lot and I want to rant about it, because why not?
"Hi, I want to get into writing for VNs, how do I do that?"
"Well, you write a VN."
"Sure, sure. But how can I do that?"
"Oh, well, are you writing a linear game or a branching game or what? I can give you tips on how I do it."
"No, no, no, that's not what I mean, I mean, how do I get into writing for VNs?"
"Well... look for people looking for writers. Some artists have ideas, but aren't confident in their writing."
"I don't want to work on someone else's ideas."
"Then post that you're a writer looking for artists."
"I actually really want an established team to work with."
"Right. So you want an already established team to take you on to write your ideas."
"Yeah."
"And you don't have any prior experience."
"Not yet. So, how much do people usually pay writers?"
"..."
>>145130784
I'd assume you'd email game reviewers or game blogs to get your game out there in the open.
>>145130784
Ever since the whole GG thing, does anyone trust game news sites to cover their game?
>>145133762
>Give reviewer a free key.
>They give it a really negative review and say how sexist it was, while being a drama queen over minor fanservice.
>>145134247
so you'd only give game keys to certain reviewers then?
>>145134247
>giving VNsNow a game key for him to shit all over your "cum on the waifu" game
you were asking for that bad review really.
>>145134485
A reviewer that's sure to say that your game's shit, because it's not to their taste personally, isn't someone you'd want to review your game. If you're making a fanservice game, then giving a key to a SJW reviewer isn't going to give you good results.
>>145134485
Give your game to Lets Players who actually play visual novels, yo.
>>145131328
who could know that? the only devs working with them are WC and AJtilley, who also happen to be the most successful EVN devs at the moment, and might get special treatment that other devs would not.
i'll wait and see if devs flee for the hills like they did with MG.
>>145135653
See, I don't get being happy about LPers playing through your ENTIRE vn and showing everyone, every single route and everything.
It's not like a non-evn game where the people who watch those LPs want to buy the game so they can experience the fun of playing the game. You don't play evns as much as you read them to their completion and when LPers do that for your game, their audience will be like "well that satisfied my curiosity and I know everything that happens, now I don't have to buy it :D"
still, useless to fight back against LPers from doing your vn, so I see it as a losing situation.
>>145135653
does high LPs of evns correlate with how many units evns sell?
>>145135962
Wrong. People who would have an interest in playing your VN will, a lot of the time, stop watching something to avoid spoilers.
People with a mentality like yours are the reason Root Double can't have half of it streamed or put on Youtube, and nobody knows about Root Double as a result.
>>145135831
They didn't "flee for the hills" from MG. Most all-ages games don't sell well for them and they decided to discontinue selling them on their store, since those games weren't generating revenue.
As for Winged Cloud, then ditched Sekai Project, went to MangaGamer, then when MangaGamer's payment processor was down, announced that they were back with Sekai Project. It's obvious that Winged Cloud is difficult to work with.
>>145136245
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>145136089
>>145136245
If your VN is fairly short and especially if it's kinetic, then the lets play won't increase sales.
>>145136245
Most people want to see the entire playthrough as a "free demo" of the game. And why pay $30+ for something you just experienced for free? The watchers are the youtubers fans, not people who are invested in supporting the industry. The number of people who whine if they can't see the entire game on youtube is staggering.
>>145137972
is there something in the contract of either SP or MG that says "you cannot sell your games anywhere else but with us"?
>>145139892
I think Sekai wants it to be on a platform they can publisher money from, while MangaGamer doesn't seem to have any such restriction, since AJ Tilley's games and Huniepop were never restricted to MG's site. And they even gave Steam users the free 18+ patch, basically eliminating the main reason to buy the version on MangaGamer's site anyway.
>>145140358
I don't know why you would team with Sekai then instead of MG. MG seems like a better deal.
Up
>>145137972
>They didn't "flee for the hills" from MG.
no evn dev seems to have went back to working with them after one game.
>>145145818
and even innocent grey went into some random partnership with JAST for seemingly no reason after working with MG
Most annoying part of making a VN (for you)?
>>145147301
Finding some money to not starve to death.
>>145147586
this tbqhwy
>>145147586
oic, you went with the easy mode answer.
>>145147301
Doing everything yourself while people disappear on you.
>>145147301
Carpal tunnel
>>145125864
Twitch streamers do it all the time, when they receive a present.
>>145147301
Waiting months for my artist to deliver.
>>145132085
That happens with people "trying" to learn art as as well. They'll go to some community, not even start doing exercises for fundamentals or sketch for fun and ask "How do I learn how to draw?".
I think it's just that people want something special to do, find one thing that looks sort of low effort to them and then they're not cognitive enough to realise that what they're really looking for is for other people to give meaning to their lives.
>>145120702
This
>>145133762
I've not been trusting reviewers for years now, I didn't need some internet "scandal" to find out that a lot of these pretentious bloggers recommend stuff based on quite how smug the game makes them feel and how many meaningless sentences it allows them to write.
I just have lots of friends who like to play games, I usually use their recommendations.
Feel free to roast me for bumping/bantering purposes.
Hopefully that will stave off dead for a while.
>>145155873
Not bad. The nose and lips look jacked up though. Keep it up senpai.
>>145155873
It looks really great in the thumbnail. Finer details are a little off, but either you're capable of fixing them in the next stage or you're not far off from mastering them. Thanks for sharing.
>>145147301
The first two hours of writing everyday. After that I seem to warm up and actually accomplish stuff.
>>145155873
Can I fug those nostrils?
>>145159639
Only if you have either a small dick or an impressive force of will.
>>145129516
It depends on the interview, what's covered, how much work it is, what the interviewee gets out of it, and how generous they feel.
I'm usually willing to answer a few vague questions when they're clearly for a college paper (you can usually tell by the questions, the way they're phrased and how little sense they make). I answer a few more specific questions for publicity purposes, though I'll pick what I say.
That's different than expecting a professional to give you detailed instructions on how to succeed in their business.
>>145134247
Giving someone a review key does not and should not guarantee a positive review. That WOULD be unethical games journalism.
Obviously you can skew things in your favor by picking reviewers who appear to like the kind of game you are making.
But sometimes, shit happens and your award-winning game lands in the lap of someone who does not get it and publishes "This is complete shit with no gameplay and I odn't understand why anyone would play it ever, 1/5".
And then you just suck it up and deal.
>>145138231
People who post in the comments on the LP saying that they went ahead and bought the game? Particularly when the LP is slow and they don't want to wait.
>>145139892
Generally that's how a publisher contract works. You can't sell the game on your own elsewhere unless you've worked out exceptions with them.
It's certainly possible to get into a less-exclusive arrangement if both parties are up for it, or at least to keep the rights to do certain things like sell on your own website or sell CDs at conventions, but it's all in what both parties agree to.
If someone sends you a contract you ARE supposed to look it over and make suggestions for changes before you sign it.
>>145161452
I know I've personally bought games because of LPs. Even when they played the entire game. Of course, the opposite is also true - a game I might have picked up on sale ended up not getting bought thanks to a LP, but I'd already made that decision before they finished the first route. The LPer playing only part of a route wouldn't have made me more likely to pick it up. But, hey, most of those were Winter Wolves games and I already knew I wasn't really impressed before the start of the LP. (And I ended up getting most of those games in bundles anyway.)
I've seen plenty of story-rich games get comments along the lines of, "I stopped watching here because I don't to spoil it for myself for my own game - looking forward to catching up with the series after I play!" or "Aaah cliffhanger! Can't wait for the next episode. Buying the game."
Granted, all of these are anecdotes, not empirical studies. But will agree that if yours is a kinetic novel for pay, your chances of getting people to pick up your game after watching a LP is likely lower.
Me, I'll take the risk that some people might pass on buying the game from watching a LP. I think the potential of having someone's fans deciding to support the game is higher than someone who would have bought the game deciding not to because they saw the game played. Some LPer fans make a point of supporting the games their senpai play.
>>145141156
Only if the game is 18+.
>>145145818
AJ Tilley has released multiple titles under them. And the other devs that no longer use them don't make 18+ titles, and there's no point with non 18+ titles don't sell well for them.
>>145146014
Japanese developers aren't exclusive. MangaGamer is releasing a Frontwing game, even though Frontwing worked with Sekai Project before that. MangaGamer also partnered with Propeller, even they're connected with JAST. JAST promised that Flowers would have a quick release last fall, and they broke that promise, basically eliminating the reason they agreed to work with them.
>>145161452
The people who decided not to buy the game after watching are likely a silent group.
>Oh boy, I loved this game. I'm so glad I don't need to pay for it now!
Over The Hills And Far Away is selling at 70% discount this week
http://store.steampowered.com/app/396860
Is anyone doing something for Yaoi Jam?
>>145169680
iirc, we have like 3 anons working on stuff.
>>145147301
Game dev depression.
>>145169680
I will be irrigating my herbs.
>>145147301
Crashing this plane.
Winter Wolves is getting hated on on /v/. More specifically, Planet Stronghold Colonial Defense is.
>>>/v/340747428
>>145174282
> hating on the gayness and not literally anything else
>>145174364
>Anonymous 06/11/16(Sat)16:09:09 No.340748653â–¶
>>340747428 (OP)
>beautiful hand painted art
It looks like shit.
And the art.
>>145174364
They also hated on the focus on dating at all and the art.
>>145168862
Well yes. Obviously there are also people who don't buy the game after watching. That doesn't detract from the point that some people DO.
>>145174941
It's /v/ who cares what they think? Even the games they like, they hate
I'm beginning to suspect that everyone jumped to /v/ to argue with them about >>145174282.
>>145178282
I wondered that too but are we ever that active?
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dharkerstudio/the-bounce-visual-novel-series
27,000 and 9 days to go.
>>145178687
when we shitpost we are
>>145179207
If people want to throw away therir money that badly, they should just give it to me.
>>145178282
yeah that's exactly what happened
Oops, seems like everyone is shitposting in that /v/ thread. Can't let this one die.
>>145185006
But there's more people in that thread to talk to! We're so lonely here
>>145185104
Hell yeah. That thread has a reply every few seconds now. I've never experienced something like that, I've only ever been over here in these stagnating waters.
>>145185104
Not saying it's bad. I'm there too!
come baaaaack
Looking for GUI design ideas. Post cool, flashy ones, even if not strictly from evns.
>>145188610
I tried linking back here, but they refuse to leave their debate. They just can't resist the arguing and drama.
>>145188978
Can't talk about the others, but I'd rather use that /v/ thread instead of discussing crap here. Kind of want to keep this one reasonably clean.
>>145190043
Pretty much this. Besides, what's else to dicuss here about that topic?
Of all people, evn devs are one of the last to have problems with female protags or homo content.
>>145190260
>tfw not doing either one
>>145188890
Well definitely not that one man, it looks like a mess. Jeez.
>>145192683
It would be fine if it didn't have that hude black part of the left.
>>145192683
Just the first example I found en vndb without the standard minimalistic GUI. Gaudy is what I need, but just as inspiration to mix and match with other things. Not as the final result, which ideally will be more sober.
>>145188890
Some anon here mentioned a blog that reviewed VN GUIs, but I don't think he posted a link. Does anyone know the site?
>>145194213
I only know of this one which showcases VN GUIs: http://visual-novel-interfaces.tumblr.com/
>>145193479
If you want my advice for coming up with something different, you should look at things that aren't just VN's. There are many aspects that stick out in other things and they could work providing you mix and match. E.g. I liked the map menu in the witcher 3, the map being boxed like that instead of full-size stood out, it had a place for stats I wanted, and I could incorpate a text box at the bottom for the VN. Does it look like it was designed for that? Hell no, but it could definitely work fairly good like that if I wanted it to.
>>145194213
>>145195326
Checking it out. Seems like it could be exactly what I need. Thanks, anons.
>>145164484
I thought Van and the girl on the left were the same person until I looked closely
>>145195474
Not a bad idea. It is a high fantasy setting, so maybe some RPG out there could do the trick.
>>145198008
It would be hilarious if WW would hire that artist to redo PS:CD
>YOU WANTED ANIME!!!! WHY ISN'T THIS SELLING?
>>145196310
Not a bad idea to just doodle shit either, even with a mouse. I do that sometimes.
![[corruption intensifies].gif](https://i.imgur.com/7J5frZ1.gif "[corruption intensifies].gif")
>>145198008
>>145198178
At least in that headshot that looks a lot cuter than the current art, to me. What am I missing?
>>145198381
>What am I missing?
The uncanny valley.
>>145198008
It's cute, but the dev cheaping out on everything else really brings the game down.
>>145198381
The face looks like the anime version of one of the unfortunate plastic surgery victims.
>>145198240
Seems like you don't like any VN's art style unless it's the sameface generic style of Winged Cloud games.
>>145198957
There's a not a single distinguishing feature on that face.Honk?
>>145198957
No, I don't like it because my own personal taste is telling me that it's fucking disgusting to look at.
In addition, the style of the hair is completely at odds with the rest of it.
I fucking love Morgana, wasn't expecting her to be so fucking cute.
Fuck.
>>145200143
Wrong thread and also spoilers.
>>145198957
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrsKPK90DGE
>>145198865
It's supposed to look like she has lip gloss. If you have suggestions on how to make it look better I'll gladly take them, though the commissioner has already approved the sprite, so I can't guarantee that it will be changed in game.
>>145202149
It's odd how the hair is lovingly shaded but nothing else is.
>>145202149
The lower lip looks a bit weird to me, and the eyes feel a bit too dark and clashes with the rest of the face in my opinion. I've made some quick edits to show what I mean.
So HRP is getting a doujin
https://twitter.com/AlienworksDev/status/741667243705012225
>>145203356
Not him but I still like the non-edit better
>>145204202
The edit comes across as more natural looking but I mean overall to me the sprite is just bad. It could look okay but not with the actual character design going on.
>>145204097
That's... nice, I guess? It's really hard to care when the game isn't even out yet.
>>145204097
Does HRP get any better after the first 10 minutes of the demo? I couldn't force myself beyond that because it's boring as fuck.
>>145204960
why do people use ellipses in typed conversations?
it makes sense to use them when you're writing character dialogue, since it lets the reader know when the speaker is taking pauses in what they're saying, but when you're typing it doesn't add anything at all
>>145205373
>it makes sense to use them when you're writing character dialogue
And what are conversations to you? Narration?
It's like using bold, all caps, etc. It's a replacement for tone.
>>145205373
>you're typing it doesn't add anything at all
it implied he was hesitating. people use reaction memes to reply in this cesspool of a website
>>145205373
>That's nice.
>That's... nice.
Come on, don't tell me you get the same impression.
Any device useful to convey subtext is worth exploiting.
>>145205579
>>145206305
>>145206357
it always comes across as pretentious as fuck
>>145206552
There, have your (you).
>>145206552
Good, I _am_ pretentious as fuck.
Tone accurately conveyed.
>>145206552
But I'm smug, not pretentious.
>>145206862
and you're using a smug anime image
you're cool, you can stay
the rest of you fuck off
>>145207117
why...?
>>145205373
It has a lot of character moments that I find interesting and the whole setup gets expanded upon as it progresses, but the plot doesn't seem to show up until the end of the demo.
>>145207117
...ok
>>145207117
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>>145206552
>People shouldn't use literary devices because you're too austic understand human interaction.
>>145207117
I was going to drop it, but since the other 2 anons replied... I don't wanna be left out.
Here, have the anime girl version.
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>>145207796
>austic
>>145205373
I just find it hard to accept that people like this actually come here... jesus.
>>145208589
It's because /v/ followed is back through the portal.
Told you guys not to open it...
>>145208771
Maybe the thread can stay alive!
>>145208589
sorry to disappoint you, but I've been here longer than that
I honestly don't see the point of trying to convey hesitance like that in a typed conversation, since what you put into a text medium is only visible once you finish it and submit it- this is different from a spoken conversation, where pauses like that would be natural, but when you're typing your words all you do by adding a "..." is add in something that doesn't need to be there
all you really need to do through text is say exactly what you mean, not take pauses and mull things over before speaking
if you wanna act like a bitch about it though that's your prerogative
>>145205373
Don't worry buddy, I think it's annoying too.
>>145209646
Bro, do you hate ellipses so much that you refuse to use even periods?
>>145209646
>all you really need to do through text is say exactly what you mean, not take pauses and mull things over before speaking
I can't stand seeing people post things like
>I'm not sure what year it was, let me look it up. Yep, it was indeed 1963.
>>145209874
>Yep, it was indeed 1963.
CurrentYear suddenly got a lot better.
>>145209863
why bother using periods in a place like this? this is an imageboard, full of people discussing video games
if you're posting a sample of your writing it makes total sense to fancy it up and make sure you've paid attention to every detail, but in a casual conversation why would you do such a thing? I mean, sure, I can type properly. but what's really the point?
it's not like I'm raking people over the coals for using ellipses, I'm asking why they even care about doing it in the first place since it makes no sense in a context like this
>>145210237
Oh, so you are just autistic. Gotcha, I'll stop replying now.
>>145210460
you can't possibly be this defensive over someone asking a simple question
surely you realize how absurd that is
>>145210237
>bitching about ellipses but not owning up his own shit with periods
Double standards much, autist?
>>145209646
>say exactly what you mean
Are you not comprehending? How do I convey my pause or tone? Emphasis? Why would I want to come across as monotonous, even if it's just text?
Did you not read the other anons comment about impression?
"Oh... wow!" unexpected, excited
"Oh... wow." unexpected, sarcastic/unsurprised.
"oh wow." any of those??? tone or impression isn't coming through with your OPINION here.
You're not writing an essay man, you're voicing your opinion. Sure, you won't convey your tone to everyone, but for those that catch on it makes it worth reading, and if they don't catch on, well you're stuck with your point of view. Why do reviewers that try to include tone and emphasis in their text have a better fanbase? Cuz it matters.
>>145202487
I see what you mean - I had trouble rendering it so it looked like she had roots showing without putting that much detail and I was trying not to over-do it with the shading on the face, which is something I had feedback on in the past. I guess I should try and balance that stuff more in the future.
>>145203356
Thanks for the edit. :) I'll see if I can experiment with her a bit more and make it look less unbalanced.
>>145204608
The colour choices or the style itself? Obviously, if you don't like the style it's fine, but the description of the character did entail certain things that I can't change, essentially.
>>145213154
Not the style, I can't say your style is bad at all, it's more a mix of the actual characters design and the colours yeah. With that exact sprite, changing nothing else, i can say a different and longer hairstyle would look a lot better with that face - do you get where I'm going? It's not that you're bad it's that there's a mix of things that don't gel that well together. If you can't change the sprite that's fine, and sometimes you just get work from a client that isnt good but you have to do it. I'd suggest roughly playing around with ideas next time, even if it's not /exactly/ what the client was after. As it stands the sprite is acceptable but in terms of design appeal poor.
>having to tell your musician that you liked the previous draft better
hello evn
https://soundcloud.com/user-795244489/rainy-evening-friday
Not sure if any of you remember me but, I posted my music here a few times and I made a new mucus.
I got some really helpful feedback and information.
I just wanted to see if anyone wanted to check it out. If you like my stuff and want me to compose for your visual novel, I was thinking about taking commissions
>>145214509
Oh, the client is really good, I'm not trying to shift the blame on her. I think you're right and I should probably experiment more with the reference or description until I get a few variations instead.
However, the precise shade of pink is definitely my fault, so I'm working on a alternate version in case my commissioner would like it better. I wouldn't want a poor choice on my part to reflect badly on her. Thanks for the feedback!
>>145214920
It's definitely one of those learning moments. Just remember that your art style is actually pretty good, what we do with our style sometimes just doesn't always work out as good as we thought. If anything, definitely try out different ideas before finalising. And remember that facial shape can play a huge role, in personality and in features (there is a reason hairdressers can fuck up). Eyes shapes are also good to play with, I forget whether your other images have big eyes like this one. But don't be afraid to play with the size.
https://twitter.com/sekaiproject/status/741780205950361601
>>145217710
I think I'm missing the joke behind that tweet.
>>145217972
sekai is the joke
>>145221953
Clean your spaceship of rust, cause fuck.
>>145223454
Maybe they salvaged a ship from the junkyard?
What's going on?
>>145226039
Everyone's dead. It's happening.
>>145226793
Again.
>>145226039
Schlicking.
>>145226039
dying
>>145174282
That thread was such a shit show. Shame it got boring towards the end.
>>145226039
Working on something really boring to me that needs to be done.
http://www.puppygames.net/blog/?p=1574
>There are unwritten taboos on the internet. There are things you Don’t Say. There are replies you may not give. There are comments you may not make. There are truths you may not tell, in the world of public relations, for the public are fickle, and behave as a mob. A mob in all its feral, brutal depravity, lacking any and all of the qualities we laud upon humanity that allow us to feel so smug over all of the hapless animals that we raise ourselves over. And we are all, whether we admit it or not in public, under strict censorship of the mob. Even admitting that the mob censors our thoughts and feelings and the expression thereof is risky.
I feel like one of you guys are going to eventually snap about the state of evns and do something like this. Do you agree with this guy? Would you angrily blog about stuff you disagree with?
>>145232750
If you blog angrily enough to be picked up by games journalists, publicity!
>>145232750
He's not wrong. (At least about the part you quoted. CBF to visit the site to read it in full.) If I'm going to vent, I'm not going to do it under my name. The boners that pop every time someone opens their damn fool mouth are just not worth attracting. I used to be that fool and I'm lucky I got it out of my system before it became the internet's favorite pastime to witch hunt.
>>145233229
i guess that's enough of a good reason to continue to angrily blog about things you don't like
>>145233502
he did have to apologize eventually though:
http://www.puppygames.net/blog/?p=1579
>Well, that went pretty much as expected, didn’t it?
I’m now peeping back out of my bunker and it feels safe enough to remove my flame-resistant underpants. This time around, I’ll give the polite version sans rhetoric and sardonic speech forms that confused so many people. Bless the Internet, but it seems that so many readers turned up to the blog post actually wanting to have a fight and somehow read the post as if it had been specifically written about them, for them. I’m afraid this is not how sardonic rhetoric speech works, and none of us are so important as to seriously believe somebody would write a random blog post on a two-bit backwater indie game developer’s site that was actually addressed directly to us, now, would they?
>>145232750
In the world of PR, there's no room for political or social opinions to be shared, as you cannot risk alienating customers. Not only that, but as we saw with GG, doing so online can not only arouse a mob, but also attract literal terrorists. Fuck no am I attaching my real name to anything controversial.
>>145235020
>literal terrorists
what
>>145235228
The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. I read enough stories about being swatted. If you're intimidating people into silence because you don't like their political stance, you're a terrorist.
>>145235228
What part of "literal terrorists" is confusing?
>>145235413
>If you're intimidating people into silence because you don't like their political stance, you're a terrorist
>>145235432
They're retards, but they're not literally terrorists.
>>145235589
Why not? Certainly not all of them were involved, but some fit the definition. You don't need to blow up a car to be a terrorist.
>>145235589
If someone somehow tricks the local PD into sending a SWAT team to my house and endangers the lives of myself and my family because of something I said on the internet that they didn't like, I don't think calling them "retard" is accurate enough.
>>145128432
maybe leave contact info next time
>>145235020
>Disagree with a video game blogger
>You're equal to terrorists who bombed 3k people
>You're equal to nazis who killed 6 million people
Yea that's why no one takes you fuckers seriously, because you can't make sane arguments.
By estimate, how many game ideas do you have written down that you hope to work on one day?
>>145237365
I'm just a largely incompetent evn dev who's been watching it unfold from the sidelines, so I'm not sure which fuckers you are referring to.
I never equated the movement with WWII era nazism, and I agree that that is an unfair and ludicrous comparison. I also never said they were equal to terrorists who killed three thousand people, merely that I do label the more extreme reactions of some of the group members as terrorism.
Of course, I also don't believe that merely disagreeing with a blogger is terrorism, as any sane person would. But that's not what I was talking about. I am specifically saying that calling a SWAT team on people whose political beiefs you disagree with, in an attept to intimidate them, is terrorism. You might disagree, but I think that labelling that argument insane is a bit far-fetched.
>>145241951
Right, and you cannot ignore that when GG started, it was about people exposing fraud and conflicts of interest and those people who were exposed compared those whistle blowers with literal nazis and terrorists.
Use whatever rationale you want, but using terrorism to shut down arguments of people disagreeing with you is not just childish, it devalues the seriousness of actual terrorism.
>>145239540
Too many to get around to them all. I wish human life was longer. Worried about dying before I can finish them.
>>145242932
Regardless of what GG was when it began, it became what it became. I am also not someone comparing the early whistleblowers with literal nazis and terrorists, as I have said before. As I see it, Electronic Arts might have started life as a publisher with good intentions, but they eventually became what they are today. The same applies to GG.
I'm also not crying terrorism to shut down argument - I am using it to shut down SWAT teams being called on people in order to shut down their arguments. Which, as it happens, is not only childish, but has the potential to be as serious as actual terrorism should someone be injured in the process.
If you have any kind of rationale to justify that kind of action, I would be eager to hear it.
>>145239540
Just one stupidly big idea.
>>145243083
Yeah, same.
>>145243767
Nothing wrong with that. Other than it takes a long time to feel like you've made progress on it.
Best cliche personality or identity for an otome dating sim love interest, someone you'd wanna date/be your favorite character in the game?Also why are teachers so popular? I love them too, but I don't know why.
>>145188890
>>145194213
I've mentioned algester.wordpress.com before which is all JVN UIs (and all eroge at that unfortunately) but it shows more of the UI per game like main menu/dialogue/options VS vn-interface's usual post of 1-3 screens of a game's UI.
>>145174282
I really hope the person arguing that all writers hate doing ero and all-ages versions are definitive wasn't from here, how embarrassing
>>145248598
Doting Oniichan, but the less yandere the better.
>>145248598
A unique and well-written character.
>>145250469
Actually I can kinda understand where that whole idea could be coming from, author-wise. An all-ages game would have a higher-quality of writing overall because porn scenes around 85-99% of the time have at least one dodgy thought or sentence or phrase that can ruin the entire scene or mood you're going for. Less likely to happen if you're just doing handholding scenes instead of ones where you have to describe tab A going into slot Bor tabs/slots A and B rubbing against each other slowly, savoring the electric sparks igniting as their fingers roam each other's body and their breathless moans become faster and more keening with every roll of their hips.
Even that blurb was ruined by "more keening" which probably isn't an actual phrase. Compare that to "our hands came together slowly, fingers intertwined and fittingly snugly together as if we were made for each other." which is still dodgy but doesn't go quite from 100 to 0 like the porn one does/can.
So if I was a writer, I would definitely prefer the all-ages version as opposed to an official porn game even if I do want sex in it just to ensure the overall quality remains high. If someone told me "we're going to have two versions and you gotta write good sex for one of them" I'd go "well fuck. I guess if we gotta for the porn money." and be more worried than if it was only g/pg rated shit.You can always just go under a fake name and write explicit fan fiction for those characters if you do want other people to see those scenes without risking it bringing down the actual project quality.
That's just my 2 cents though.
>>145251407
I said a dating sim character, wiseguy, not your literature classics.
>>145251407
>>145251407
>>145251407
Look at this guy everybody, wanting good writing in his games. What's next, you'll want good art? Good music? No game-breaking bugs?
Get outta here with that.
>>145251474
Porn scenes contain next to no literary value, as they are designed purely to titillate. By design, they fall outside the traditional bounds of good writing.
However that does not apply to sex in all contexts. The level of intamacy achieved during intercourse is basically unmatched, and can present a particularly powerful emotional climax (hurr hurr). It's rare to see VNs go this root (hurr) though, so yes, quite often sex scenes are shallow schlock for schlicking cocks.
For all that, well written sex scenes do occur in VNs. issues such as rating will obviously affect their inclusion, but there is no intrinsic reason to avoid them. All forms of good writing are challenging, and sex is no different.
>>145252118
I guess my post didn't get what I was trying to say across well enough.
It's not that it's impossible to make it good writing, it's that it's a lot easier to fuck up. You write a kind of boring action scene, it's still salvageable or at worst they forget it as they read the rest of the game. You write a bad fucking scene, someone's going to laugh their ass off or get grossed out (or my personal favorite emotion when I read bad sex: both) but not feel what you want and could even ruin the rest of the game if it sticks in their mind enough. And it's easier for that to happen with sex than a fight just because you're more used to one than the other in other media.
Does that make more sense?
So I'd personally want to go with something that's less likely to fuck up the official game than something that can, even if it might be content I want to write, because I know it's safer. I can always just do the risky content in another vehicle (fan fiction, just writing smut myself and never releasing it, etc.)
I'm sure Stephen King or Neil Gaiman have some weird fetishes because very few people don't. But I doubt they put them in their works. Like if Stephen King died and they found a bunch of inflation-fetish fanfiction of Rose Madder hidden under a floorboard or a version of Stardust that was just pure fucking while on his quest, I wouldn't be surprised. So that's how I can kind of see where someone would get an "a porn version is less likely the version a writer would want to officially release than a non-porn one" idea from. Most people would want the safer option, I would think.
>>145253185
That's laziness, though. Not including a sex scene because you think it's badly written is one thing, but avoiding sex all together because it's hard to write is just limitig yourself, and guaranteeing you will never improve. If that's someone's justification for going all-ages, then it reflects very poorly on them as a writer.
I'm not sure what you're getting at in your last paragraph - having an uncommon fetish does not preclude people from writing a vanilla sex scene either.
>>145253772
It's less laziness and more picking the safest, best option for me. To use a relatABLE analogy (though not 100% related) I personally have to support my family.
Could I have my dream job if I worked hard enough? Sure. But how will my family eat while I'm reaching for that sky? This other job pays the helps me feed my family. Would I want that dream job instead if it was 100% safe? Of course. But is that realistic? Fuck no.
A lot of people put tons of work into their games. They do legwork: tracking down artists and musicians and other writers and programmers, or even doing it all themselves. They spend months writing as best they can. They put so much work into these commercial (let's assume commercial since the argument was about commercial games to begin with) games hoping to make a profit or at the very least have players enjoy it.
Is it really better to risk that profit/the quality just to add something you might want to see/try but you know is a definite risk (more a risk than others)?
Why not save that for something personal you don't have to worry about making money off of?
That's why the idea that a writer might be talked into including porn scenes could be valid. Saying it's just lazy that an author doesn't want to risk putting in that porn is ignoring a very valid concern when it comes to audience acceptance, enjoyment, game quality, and etc. etc. Do I want every single idea I have for it to improve my game? Of course. Will it? Of course not. You have to know when to take the safe roads and trim the fat.
You might have a point when it comes to free games that are "a labor of love" and serves a specific creator goal for what they want, but even then it's not just laziness that would make someone change or not include types of content to ensure the whole game is good.
Don't really know how to put the idea in simpler terms than that.
>>145254783
Ah, I see. Yeah, if you're shooting for a commercial project, then that's going to affect whether you include them.
>>145255273
Yeah. Plus some stuff you don't want associated with your "name". Especially in Japan where you gotta have 8 different pseudonyms for all the different levels of fucked up your game might end up in.
I think you guys worry too much. Sure, abstaining from including weird furry shit in your game is understandable, but worrying about simple vanilla sentences seems a bit too much for me. So what if people comment about the weird mollusk references in your sex scenes? Fate still sold like pankakes.
I'm not saying you shouldn't have boundaries, just... don't be too scared. Nitpickes gonna nitpick and ordinary readers are gonna 'meh' unless it's seriously fucked up. Personally I wouldn't be able to write at all if I fretted over how would the customer react to every single line.
>>145235432
Your use of the world "literal". I do not subscribe to the notion that if enough people use any word the wrong way we should change its meaning.
>>145259154
I argued why the tactics of some GG members were terrorism above. If those arguments hold, then my use of 'literal' was correct.
No rest for the pickled.
>>145260206
Might be best if we left the GG out and stuck with just some crazy people in general. Sadly, death threats and swatting are not limited to one group.
Most of them won't go after you unless you deliberately provoke them and then run around crying about it, but there's no guarantees.
>>145260206
I'm making a grammatical objection, I don't care about GG.
My point was it's "They're literally terrorists".
And now, back to video games.
>>145265864
>konbini
Why not use Megane instead of Glasses then?
>>145265864
"I very much enjoy my loli cartoon magazines, now kindly fuck off sir, I have to catch up on this latest issue, excuse me."
>>145266334
Why not just go 100% weeb and write the entire description in nipnongnese using the english alphabet.
>>145265123
literal
ˈlJt(ə)r(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: literal; adjective: literal-minded
1.
taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or exaggeration.
"dreadful in its literal sense, full of dread"
I'm confused.
>>145267902
At least "Megane" doesn't sound dumb.
>>145268060
I believe he's implying that your phrasing lends itself more to the idea that they are terrorists who use words literally themselves? It's a nuance.
>>145269260
By gum, he's right.
Such pedantry. I think I'm in love.
>>145270193
I am indeed often told I'm really pedantic.
>>145269260
And yeah.
>>145271486
>>145271486
Have you considered a position as an editor?
>>145248598
>Best cliche personality or identity for an otome dating sim love interest, someone you'd wanna date/be your favorite character in the game?
Gap moe, specifically guys that act/look though but are actually big softies.
Second to that, really nerdy guys. The type that will talk your ear off about their interests.
>>145280591
the fish accurately sums up my own expression as my eyes attempt to process everything going on
>>145279065
>>145277712
i wish they hadn't switched the art.
>>145281293
What was it like before? I don't recognise the source.
>>145280591
Is this some sort of mindfuck simulator?
How's Sakura Dungeon? Is it /evn/ of the year material?
>>145288423
The CGs are great. Haven't played the game.
>>145288571
Would you recommend the adult version over the 18+ version?
Anyone have any recommendations for a good background artist who can do gritty light sci-fi backgrounds?
>>145291071
> good background artist
Badriel, Dao and huh...
>>145289387
I like the tease in the regular CGs but there's actually more scenes in the 18+ version.
>>145288423
it's fantastic.
>>145288423
Does it even count as a VN?
Depends on what you're looking for, I guess. If you are expecting an amazing story, you'll be disappointed. If you want a lewd dungeon crawler or yuri, you'll probably like it.
If you've played demon master chris, it's almost identical in gameplay to that.
I keep seeing recruitment threads looking for writers, programmers, artists, proofreaders all at once.
Why would you need all of the roles covered?
>>145293359
If you are an idea man with money.
>>145293359
Because you're an Idea Guy and work is beneath you
you must be new to the world of game development
>>145265864
>wake up
>see this shit
how can someone be allowed to have grammar this terrible
>>145265864
I'm not sure that someone who talks to magazines is really that harmless. I'm expecting he's probably plotting something sinister.
>>145296524
But the art is so good anon!
>>145297272
I hate everyone who's not me based on these images alone
So, since making visual novels with existing charactersprites and music is illegal, (even if you just want to release it as freeware, and even though it's far more original than recording a video of you playing one,) how would you go about getting feedback for, and getting people interested in that kind of project?
>>145301747
Why would you even do that? The only useful feedback would be on writing, which you can get by posting it separately.
>>145301747
By talking about it on boards like this where no one really cares?
Very few people actually care unless you're trying to sell stolen resources, but they are required to officially condemn you lest they be accused of abetting copyright infringement or something. So talk about it on boards that already don't care about that.
