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>2.3.0 patch notes
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1667259

>Prophecy league information
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1663440

>Ascendancy Offline Skill Planner
https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree/releases/

>Helpful links
http://pastebin.com/2a5WBcBP

>"Hey guys what's the price on this piece of shit item"
http://poe.trade/

>Read this before asking for build advice
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/510084

>Wiki
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki

>Rough mapping guide
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1489756
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wew lads
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first for SC always present
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>>145065091
Why is the lady naked?
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>>145065152
>first
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Why is hybrid so comfy?

>muh eHP
>muh life pool protecting my life pool
>fuck all investment
>almost never have to health pot
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>>145065152
so that's why it always smells like this in this general
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Know your enemy
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retard
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>>144944332
>free
>>144968857
>free
>>144969171
>free
>>144969338
>free
>>144969359
>free
>>144969615
>FREE
>>144969726
>free
>>144991852
>free
>>145008723
>FREE
>>145016076
>free
>>145033579
>FREE
>>145052543
>free
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Guys, guys... you won't belive this...

My ISP was actually causing problems this time! Happened right when the servers failed too

>>145065647
based retard
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>died to tunneler protecting deshret
what the everliving fuck I had fort on and granite
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>>145065091
It's a shame PoE doesn't have better models.
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>>145065647
F R E E???
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>>145066164

rekt :^)
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New to this game. Is there such thing as too much elemental resistance? Most builds I see seem to suggest grabbing as much of it as you can.
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>>145066334

Sort of.

Getting enough resistance to hit the 75% cap is required to just play, but going over that cap to protect against curses isn't wasted.
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>>145012701
Yes it is

100% dead

820 is completely dead

Alts to chaos ratio is 20 : 1 which means theres little to no demand

Last league jews to exalt was 300 now its like 5-600 to 1

Not only the league is trash but perandus made sure people won't put up with the shitty drop and crafting systems
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>>145066334
protip
by grabbing it they mean get it on your equipment not skill tree
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why are poe players so autistic?
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>>145066853
You don't choose the game. Game chooses you.
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Welp, lvl 87 and got my 24 challenges done.. time to wait for the next league, also
>league is shit
>performance is shit even though they said it's "fixed"
>literally no cool skills that aren't complete shit since BV
>melee still shit unless EQ
>top ladders are using the same shit as 4 years ago
nice game poetards
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I had a dream that I accidentally popped a white carto box. I awoke drenched in sweat.
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>Regal a jewel with two good mods for my build
>Get max life
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Post your monkeys, exiles.
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>>145065647
i love you free poster
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>>145067963
>things that never happened
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>>145068090
bf trap how original
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Just spend the last hour edging over and over, ruined my orgasm and ate all my cum.

Back to poe i guess
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>>145068410
>That greentext story is the most unlikely thing ever said in /poeg/
It actually happened, though.
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have the fixed the uniq upgrade prophecies yet?
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>>145065284
I went for hybrid too with 3,5k armour. Extremely comfy to play compared to evasion shitters I had in previous league
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What if the reason this league is so dead isn't because it's bad, but because poeHUD isn't up to date?
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>>145068948
820 still has a ton of spam at the daily reset. This shit is far from dead.

On another note, it's been almost a week and there's one person on SC at 96, everyone else is at 95. Is it going to take another week before anyone hits 100?
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Does drillneck only work for arrows now? I thought arrow pierce chance also used to apply to spells. Which is why it was so good for cock? My tooltip on frostbolt isnt changing much with pierce gem
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>>145069201
projectile != arrow
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>>145069201

>My tooltip on frostbolt isnt changing much with pierce gem

Frostbolt already has 100% dipshit, that is the cap.
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>>145069540
>>145069387
Im assuming you guys are new or something?

On CoC builds the pierce chance on spells was also counted as arrow pierce so increased tooltip DPS.

It says arrow, but it actually counts toward any projectile. At least it used to.
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>>145069182
Exp nerf has been hard on babbies who can no longer chain gorges all day to hit 100 in 3 days
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>>145069540
>>145069387
ih nm i guess since it auto-pierces the game doesn't count the gem as adding any pierce chance whatsoever.

This works for spells like spark, but not auto-piercing spells. Pretty fucking lame actually considering the gem should give global pierce vs the spells local chance
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https://clips.twitch.tv zenocidegenius/CrazyCormorantHumbleLife
is zeno still our guy
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>>145069846

Frostbolt has 100% chance to pierce implicitly. It cannot gain anymore. Putting on a pierce gem will only give it the gems more modifier and not any extra damage from the "pierce chance" because it literally does nothing because you can only have 100% chance.
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>>145065284
Completely useless unless you have dual sustain and/or are ranged with really good evasion.

Hybrid life/es gear is inherently worse than anything else in game. (Cannot roll top hybrid and life rolls at the same time)

Can't use BR.

Hybrid is only good in niche, niche, niche builds. And even then, you could probably do just as well being life-based.
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>>145070047
i thought maybe the pierce gem acted globally so it would override the frostbolts native chance to pierce with its own.
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>>145070289

>And even then, you could probably do just as well being life-based.

With my frostbolt caster, I could either have 6k health or 6k health and 3.5k es.

How can a pure life based be better than have 3.5k buffer on top? It's not like I magically now have access to more life nodes.

>Completely useless unless you have dual sustain

All you have to do is get ghost reaver.
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>>145070512
>All you have to do is get ghost reaver.
Vile Bastion from Occultist skilltree also works nicely
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>>145070512
Like I said, it's good in niche builds. You can use the extra buffer, sure why not. You can afford a ranged, evasive playstyle. You don't really benefit from frenzy charges/cast speed so the loss of BR is not a big deal. For most builds, hybrid is simply not worth the effort. If it works for you, your build is niche.
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>>145070289
What's BR? I'm new and still learning the abbreviations.
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>>145070820

>If it works for you, your build is niche.

Almost all casters/summoners can easily run hybrid. Sure it's not good for attack builds, but I wouldn't call "casters" niche.

Also there are a bunch of was to get frenzy charges for casters (who get nothing from bloodrage, and don't have the regen to support it anyway).

I get mine from Herald of Ice with Ice Bite linked to it.
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>>145070512
Why not go CI at this point? why split your ehp in 2 parts when you could have it in one, with fully effective leech? Leech isn't terribly effective on a 3.5k "pool", since it caps at 20% of it without VP. And if you pick VP, you want CI.
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>>145071157

It's not like I am going out of my way to deeply invest into this shit, the gear I need to wear anyway has ES on it, some node I take increase ES also and that's that. Why fuck about and turn it into a CI build for? Just so everything can be more expensive and my build less efficient in getting what it needs because now all the life nodes I am on are useless and I have to travel to ES?

Hybrid builds are not 50/50 split builds or some shit, they are simply life builds that also wear ES gear so they boost it a bit for a nice buffer. CI builds are totally different things.
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>>145070963
blood rage
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>>145068624
proof it then
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>dancing dervish won't trigger when worn by animated guardian
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thought of a gamebreaking build lads
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>>145072417
didn't work out too well the last 20 times you said the same stupid thing
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https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAEAAQGRAecEswUtB3UJlg3NEuEUIBRNFHEYkRo4HM4hNCFVJyAnLyo4Kk0rUCz7LdI1kjboOQ462DrhOzs8BTwtPQ89_D8nQKBBP0rITeNQR1FMUeZYY14TXz9fsGFSaPJuqnKpdO12rHdTeu97jHy7fNl9W4IHg8yFUoZgiiKMz5BVkc6S0Jd5m7WexZ7Nn8uiAKcwrEetja9sr6e0L7Xytz677byfwGbApsM6xBXE9sWKxq7G2MpKz37SIdi92WHZfNw95FHqGOsJ7w7vTu988B_yQfJF9kj3Mvjr_Ev-Cv5U_o8=

EQ beserker final form, how bad of an idea would it be?
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what's a good build to run if i'm a fuckin idiot
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how do I into ele bows
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>>145073258
anything trap
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>>145073258
see
>>145073124

Alternatively you could educate yourself and play overwatch.
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HOLY FUCK
MORE WINGS
THEY ACTUALLY ADDED MORE WINGS TO THE GAME
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>145073431
>fuck up performance of the game and make a shitty league in 2 weeks
>spend rest of the time making shitty wings and grimdark armor
classic ggg
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>>145073643
how can they be so incompetent?
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>>145073356
>play overwatch

worst of the poeg memes desu
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>>145073356
nobody wants to play your shitty tf2 remake blizzard
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anyone tried Sire of Shards with Frostbolt? if so, how is it? good without vortex? terrible?
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>>145071004
>caster
>not running BR for frenzy charges
Nice fucking build desu senpai. Honestly if your build doesn't have frenzy/endurance charges up you're either doing a shit build or are just lazy. No reason not to have those charges on almost every build.
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>>145074260

Nice job not reading the post fully dipshit. I already said how I gain frenzy charges without the massive downsides of BR.
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>>145074637
Other ways are likely either just socketing a frenzy gem which is a retarded waste of time, or using poacher's mark in place of literally any other curse that would be better for your build. "Massive downsides of BR" if your build can't out sustain 4% life degen as physical damage than you're just going to die to white zombies anyways. More builds are likely to just be able to use BR than to be able to socket ice bite anyways.
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>>145073643
So it's not just me then

The game is actually running worse than before for other people too?
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>>145075573
everyone's having issues, even the "it works on my machine :^)" thousand dollar support package players
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>>145075573
yes, the "performance patch" everyone has been waiting months for has only made the game worse. much worse. and the new league is boring and tedious. the game is dead already less than a week into the league.
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Am I cute yet, /poeg/?
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>>145075694
>>145075781
Apparently --nopreload will revert the loading back to how it was before 2.3, and I think that my system would handle that way better.
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>>145076108
No.
You can only be cute once you defeat Atziri.
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hows srs holding up end game wise?

I decided to roll an srs build but my isp has been fucking up with lag spikes so I'm only level 57.
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What is the process of designing your own unique like?

Has anyone written a diary or log on it, how the correspondence with GGG goes and all?
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>>145076153
gonna try it
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>>145077184
can immediately tell teh difference, load times are what they were pre 2.3 but the game stays so much smoother in maps and towns
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>>145077108
played it before ascendancy, with a +3 staff it was ok, didn't have a 6L though. Solo play works well, in group you'll feel like you're not contributing any damage. Other skills outshine it in clear speed but if you can live with that it's an ok build. also AI is a bit more retarded than it used to be.
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>>145077749

im going to use it for mf.

any better mf builds?
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>>145078290
bv, totems
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>>145078290
totems are probably a better choice. Because enemies will ignore SRS and come for you, so it isn't as safe as a totem build
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whirling blades with coc flame dash and lightning warp


y/n?
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>>145076108
nigga you look dumb af
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>>145078715
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solo self found crafter's (only white drops, no magic/rare/unique equip drops) gotta craft everything yourself league when?
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>>145079030
retard
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What's a good build for this?
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What's the most satisfying skill to use in the game in your guys' opinion? I really like EA, there's nothing like attacking fast, moving fast, and the delayed death with a big explosion is really satisfying to me.
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>>145079437
power siphon and discharge
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>>145079224
Ice Crash
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This game really became easy mode after ascendancy. Items drop like candy and it is really easy to make a build that never dies. Boring game!
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>>145079437
I like Ice skills because the shattering sound is so fucking good.
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>>145080124
Yeah it's so easy most people on the ladder died already
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>>145079437
arc
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>>145072059
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what's a good meme build?
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did this mememaster ever come back
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>>145080007
Ice Crash rhythms with Vendor trash, which is what that unique is
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>buy 500 chromes
>get what I want in 5
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>>145074856
You should read his post before you go off like an idiot. He doesn't use any of those ways and he has passive frenzy charge gain without any downside. Even if he can sustain the degen of BR he doesn't have to.
Please stop posting
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>>145081562
>buy 400 jews
>get no 6 socket
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>>145065091
Why don't more people use these boots?

They've been a godsend in that terrible grind from Normal to Cruel, at which point I replace them with 30% boots. Hell, sometimes I keep them on until Merciless if the resistances hit just right.

They're 1c at most within 1 day of a new league, and because you're racing and ignoring everything you don't give a shit about the increased physical.

They've been +40% MS for me 90% of the time. Wanderlust a shit. I'm already leveling my third character this league thanks to these sweet fuckers.

These boots are top fucking kek m8s.
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>>145081408
THE LEGEND
>gets ass blasted in icy crab cave with templar
>jumps to fucking witch instead
>rolls trough
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price check for 8 mod map? I'm not experienced enough with poe.trade to search something like this
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Current tree. RT Lacerate, Res nodes are a holder while I gear up.

But where do I go from here?

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQBAAHcBS0JlgxwEuEUIBR1FewY2yPTI_YppTB8Mfs1kjkOOuE7tj7PQzFHfkkPSshM_02STeNOKlBHUUdTu1b6W69fP2VNbqpvJ287dO108Xasd9d343gNeWh673zZfyt_44TZhO-FUoa0h2qKr4rwjX2PYJAKkGyRzpd5mmqbLaLqpHilNaZXqSepbqmUrY2wq7KAtfK5HbvtvTa95r6nv9XAGsEExILPftct2GDYvdlh2sHe-ORR6hjrCe8O8kX1Yfcy-Ov-Cv6P
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>>145081961
Keep it, and use it in a Strongbox pool. Pack size is too low to be salable for mid-tier maps.
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>>145081890
I don't know how you do it. I run Briskwrap until Act 4 Merci, but any random asshole with a bow can scratch your ES and ruin those boots.

I use them for merchant checking. That's it.

>>145081113
That's not max life. 7% is max life.
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>>145079437
Crit reave with Hatred and HoI

Just WB into a pack, explode them, WB into another pack, explode them, while pretty much everything else in the open map is dying from Word of Fury.
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>>145082301
I ain't running that shit, fuck temp chains.
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>>145077174
Yes, they have. Many times. But they're not collated at fucking all, so you'll have to dig through announcements and poster histories.

It's usually not worth it.
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>>145082698
That's why it's in the strongbox pool, m8.

Just whirling blades with Wildslash.
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>The Nest prophecy

has anyone completed this shit? What unique does it even give?

I've heard the only way to get it is to have the "monster variety" mod on maps or some shit and get lucky.
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So honest question. What does this game have over current Diablo 3?

I could understand the mass exodus after D3 vanilla but the game actually has gotten pretty great but I'm thinking of trying PoE to freshen things up/relive diablo 2.
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>>145083854
You just explained it yourself you fucking baiter.

D3 isnt Diablo.
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havoc is kill lol
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>>145083854
better end-game grind, honestly

at least in D3 though you don't have to go through story mode 3 goddamn times

it's probably the most annoying thing about PoE for me

time get your shit together GGG
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>>145083854
>What does this game have over current Diablo 3?
A fucking passive skill tree?
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>>145083854
Everything from better randomness to better drops to better artstyle to better theme to better skill progression to better endgame. There's nothing d3 does better than poe in any way, even "being diablo" is done better by poe.
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clips.twitch tv/havoc616/ToughChamoisKeepo

the poo is finally in loo
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>>145083854
You can actually make fun and interesting builds, comprimising combinations of the skill tree, skill gems and unique items. Ganted there are a lot of fotm builds, but there is a lot of build diversity, especially now with ascendancies.
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>>145084487
volatiles and bearers are the great equalizer
doesn't matter if you have 15k es, you're gonna get dunked on
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>>145084487
>"haha, I guess it's time for Over-"
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>>145084487
playing way too cocky tbhfam. that's how i get when i don't give a fuck though.
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>>145084487
poetards will defend this
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>>145084487
I have a coc discharge too and you always end up like that, everything is too ez and just don't give a fuck then suddenly die from overconfidence, I didn't die but got bored 2bh, got my 24 challenges tho :^)
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>>145085098
He died to his own mistake (playing too fast, not caring about bearers, opening a strongbox while going 360 yolo fast). Nothing much to be said about game performance here.
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Should I save money for a jeweller's touch prophecy or keep trying to 6 socket and then fuse my weapon?

I already put over 300 jewellers in with no 6 socket fug
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>>145085098
100% his own fault
how did he not see all the bearer bombs on the ground there?
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>>145085098
bearers aren't too bad. You can avoid them if you don't play recklessly. Now volatiles just shit on close combat skills, especially in high tier maps
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nice meme, dave
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>>145085485
you could have bought one with those jews and not used a single fuse. you math it out.
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>>145085701
Yeah but if I get 6 socket I have an extra slot and also the chance to get a 6L while fusing for 5Ls
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>>145085626
>bunchoffags.jpg
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>No more frametime farming
Fuck
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>>145085906
or you have nothing, which is what you got. If you got ex to burn go for the extra socket and slim chance at a 6 link. if you need a 6 link, prace the correct 6 linking procedures (multiple bases and ~1000 fuses to start)
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>>145082461
I'm over here running around with +73% Movement Speed total in normal but the rest of my stats are absolutely crap (also using Briskwrap). I value movement over everything else. I basically spam life flasks and quicksilvers, but it's faster than gearing properly. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Once I hit Merci though I can't get away with this crap. If a physical makes contact I'll be dead.
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https://clips.twitch.
tv/angryaa/EnergeticHerdEagleEye

ah yes, very impressive
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>>145085906
The league has a mechanic for poors like you to get a 5L and you shit on it. kys tbqt
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>>145085925
rude
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>>145086234
>>145086327
Sometimes I just like to think "surely THIS time I'll get my 6L very quickly with a lot of luck"

but it never happens, Im always above average

oh well I'll buy the prophecy
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>>145084369
>better drops
m8
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SO kind of a nub player here and I'm wondering what you guys pick up in terms of rares

I started doing the unID recipe for 60-75 ilevel rares for double the chaos, but everything 75+ I've been identifying. I haven't bothered to learn how to determine certain good items like quivers and 2handers so I usually don't pick those up.
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>>145079437
KB, disc and ice trap. I mean any person who plays this game for a while switches to these 3 unless he is an autistic archer.
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So do you guys think they'll ever actually get rid of Cruel difficulty, or am I just kidding myself?
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>>145086603
Another hardcuck BTFO
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>>145086736
there's nothing wrong with picking up nearly everything to vendor or recipe for currency early in a league. Regals have settled at 1:1 with chaos the last couple leagues so it's not a high value recipe.

A good way to learn what's worth what is to keep what you do pick up for recipes in a 1/2c tab and see what gets instantly bought. see what you overlooked on the item.

eventually just pickig up the better bases (vaal regalia, imbued wands, sorc boots, hubris circlets, etc) is fine.
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>>145086941
Of course not. It's part of the ARPG experience.
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>>145086941
the only way cruel is going away is if another act is added. that's not going to happen unless the game is fixed and everyone that quit comes back and buys ALL the mystery boxes. and that's not going to happen. Maybe whoever ggg sells off to will remove it or allow you to pay to skip.
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>>145087476
D3 and Marvel Heroes did away with it long ago though
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epic game
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>>145086603
Jesus that's just pathetic.
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anyone here ever watched the movie "free to play"?
really inspiring to see how much passion some people can have for a f2p game
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>>145086603
what is going on here
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>>145087727
trade macro fucking him over back when desync and trading through trade chat were still a thing

fucking newfag
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>>145087709
Depression waits for no man.
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>>145088040
just play your way out of depression
even jeremy lin agrees and he's smart because he went to harvard
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poelab has stopped being updated already? so ded.
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>>145088263
?

It's updated every day within 30-60 minutes of the rotation.
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this league sucks dick
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>>145088168
handsome fella
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:^)
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is there a level where farming dried lake for loot becomes pointless? something about the penalty being too punishing?
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>>145088451
he gets paid millions to ball and could have any woman he wants desu
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>>145088645
I dare you to post one good one of those.
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>>145087539
they're not TRUE arpgs
only diablo 2 is a TRUE arpg and only TRUE arpgs are worthy of being an inspiration for grinding gay games
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>>145088447
>All the memestreamers dying to reflect this league because they forgot how to read
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>>145088913
the trueness of an arpg has nothing to do with making you arbitrarily repeat content

also take your nostalia goggles off, D2 feels and plays shit now, even compared to D1+belz mod
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>145087476

So when the 6 other acts that are planned eventually get added, well need to run past 30 acts?
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>>145089821
retard
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>>145081528
>leveling uniques are vendor trash
stay retarded, /pooegg/
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>>145089821

I could go all day debating the intricacies of diablo 2.

Honestly I still miss the old school gem and rune system. and POE's Crafting system is a mere shadow of the autism required to craft in Median XL.
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>>145089821
fuck off you underaged /v/eddit faggot
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>>145086603
he deserved that
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>>145084487
>clips.twitch tv/havoc616/ToughChamoisKeepo

>playing the same retarded OP one shot everything builds every fucking league
>pretend to 'plan' build
>pretend to play hardcore with macros + auto logout
>die like everyone else because of servers or retarded damage spikes

nice game
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>>145090052

To clarify POE is not bad, In fact it's quite good, but it just isn't the same.

I say the same thing about Modern 4X games when compared with MoO2
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>>145090052
MXL is pretty much perfect as far as progression goes.

Fuck, I miss it. But the QoL offered by PoE is too much to abandon.
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>>145089821
>the trueness of an arpg has nothing to do with making you arbitrarily repeat content
According to whom? D1 and D2 paved the way for "arpgs" the way PoE is designed. Maybe D3 is diferrent, and that's where you're coming from, but D3 has nothing of a D3 game. It's another game with the Diablo label slapped on it. I could argue for Cruel being removed in the future when Act 5 is added, but for now it stays and there's nothing wrong with that.
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>>145090248
nice game or nice player? nothing about the game forces havoc to do anything you greentexted, retard.
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Can you imagine getting paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR to spend some of your time BOUNCING A BALL and OCCASIONALLY THROWING IT
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>>145090052

do you want poe to be a 1:1 copy of d2? its never gonna happen. if thats your standard for arpg gaming, it will never be met

>>145090142
its sad that you think nostalgia googgles are needed if you want to "fit in" in /poeg/

most people playing this game stopped playing old/classic style arpgs for a reason
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>>145089012
gif is 2 years old

kill yourself
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>>145090472
Can you imagine your body being your bread winner and suddenly having to keep in shape all the time and no longer being able to treat it like a garbage can?
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>>145090505
d2 has more players than poe whenever they reset the ladder, you fucking retard
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>>145090258
poe will be good when armour means something
poe will be good when they balance crit / non crit so that most (melee) builds are equally as viable to level as, and so that one doesnt shit all over the other at endgame
poe will surely be better when they finally get rid of the outdated difficulty modes and replace them with more mapping

ggg sucks and only cares about which mtx yo'ure gonna buy for that new fotm skill that shits over everything they released previously
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>>145090505
Why are you even here? Shouldn't you be playing D3, an obviously more suitable game for the likes of you?
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>>145090581
I was there once.

And this is why I drink, now.
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>>145090581
>suddenly
>no longer
These sports players have been in shape all their lives with minimal effort.
They don't SUDDENLY have to get strong and exercise, they were taught to do it from a young age, so it come naturally.

Also, good genes.
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>>145087529
I would pay $40-50 for a PoE "Adventure Mode".
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>>145090786
yes good genes and minimal effort makes you a pro player
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>>145090691
Where's the Lacerate and Shield Charge and EQ MTX then?
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>>145090336

im merely saying that saying that arpgs that deviate from the d2 formula arent real arpgs is incorrect, because the definition of the genre doesnt include anything that d2 does exclusively

>>145090605
that refutes absolutely nothing i said

>>145090723
nice non sequitur
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>3 difficulties are good because they were in diablo 2
>auction house is bad because it was in diablo 3
there are retards in this very thread who think these are proper arguments
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>>145091014
you've gotten lost in your own argument. i'm done here
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>>145090546
no shit idiot

it's still happening to memestreamers regardless
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>>145090786
>These sports players
You sound like an expert, ill just trust your science.
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>>145091050
anyone who isnt deluded realizes the difficulties are just content padding as they were too in older arpgs

>>145091129
bye
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>>145091050

>3 difficulties were still loathed even back in the days of D2

You youngsters don't know what Battle.net shitposting was

>Auction house was bad because in diablo 3 the entire loot system was built around using it regularly.
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>>145091014
PoE doesn't have to follow a formula of an arpg, whatever the fuck that means according to your definition. It's not an AAA game made by a renowned game company. It originally started as a garage project by a handful of nerds who loved D2 and wanted to create its spiritual successor. It doesn't even matter what you consider PoE to be or what you think it *should* be. It's not for you to decide, and if you think the model is wrong or "incorrect" just fucking play something else. You do sound like an underage /v/ermin like another anon pointed out
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>>145091415
you sound buttblasted
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>>145088447
How times have changed.
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>>145091415
thats a nice counter to absolutely nothing i said

did you misquote?
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>>145084731
>morsexier.png
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>>145091415
Getting angry isn't good for your blood pressure, Chris.
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If you removed cruel difficulty how would you redistribute the following:

-ascendancy points
-skill points from quests
-bandit rewards
-lab enchants
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>>145091619
D3 is not a "real arpg" if a "real arpg" is something like D2 or PoE is. You're merely having trouble understanding why some people might prefer the arpg definition of D2 over that of D3, which tends to indicate you were too young to have ever played D2 when it was popular in the first place.
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>>145091554
>>145091745
>haha you mad?
Thanks for proving my point, underage faggots.
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>>145091773
shift half to normal and half to merc, holy shit that was hard
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>>145092024
you still sound buttblasted
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>>145091773
D2 nostalgia is the only reason three difficulties even exist
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>>145092141
I don't give a shit, faggot. Go back to playing your babby games, you diaper wearing twat
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>>145092123
Yeah this. Normal lab gives 3. Merc lab gives 3. Give the "optimal" quests passive points to even it out.
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>>145092263
>I don't give a shit
>responds to every post
sure thing, boss
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>>145092427
I don't give a shit about sounding buttblasted, reading comprehension is hard, did you fail elementary school? Remove yourself from the gene pool you fucking retard
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>>145091773
just as they added one lab out of normal gameplay already, other stuff could be dumped into special "map" zones

in any case, more acts will be added. so its not a matter of "if" but of when it will get redistributed among more acts

>>145091830
you can attempt to define "arpg" around any game and it will only be useful to compare said game to others. the whole point of defining a genre is to shave out the parochialities of its representatives and leave the abstract core of it

in this case, both d2 and d3 are real arpgs, no matter how much you try to turn the argument into an adhominem about my age or what games a i played back then
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>>145092516
>being this buttblasted
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>>145092553
I'm not defining arpg in any way, everyone has their own definition and for those who loved D2, D3 has NOTHING of Diablo game, it's a shitty game which is a far cry of the franchise it used the name to sell millions. People played D2 for a decade, D3 was shit on arrival and has the replayability of a console game.
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>>145090890
they fucked up with shield charge because they cant into balance

you can be sure the lacerate mtx is coming very soon as well as eq

mtx themselves arent the problem, its the goal for ggg, as I said

the core mechanics are fucked ( again, crit vs non crit, armour ) and to keep people playing they add good content ( op skills, updates ) on top of what is shit and should have been fixed a long time ago

I have been playing since cb and 2bh people who are still playing and think the game is good have a severe case of autismo.
especially when those people play hc with macros and auto logouts

it just doesnt make any sense
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Both sides of this argument is amusing. You guys need to step back and take a look.

>ur mad
>nuh uh! u r mad!
>what? fuck u!
>ur dead kiddo!
>see ur mad!

And you're adults?
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>>145092653
>haha you mad XD
That sure showed me
Eat shit and die, you underage /v/irgin
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>>145092818
it's just one kid sperging out because he lost an argument
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>>145092871
pls stop forgetting you're cats
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>>145092818
i'm doing this for amusement

>>145092871
keep on being buttblasted, fampai
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>>145092818
>And you're adults?
No we're all manchildren but some have standards more than others
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>>145092972
>I was just pretending to be retarded
>there's no way I got told so hard I had to resort calling the other guy mad to save face
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>>145093173
>I was just pretending to be retarded
no, i'm just having fun watching you sperg out
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>>145092553
>other stuff could be dumped into special "map" zones
This would be cool for endgame, but I can only see GGG implementing them as RNG grindfests to even appear.
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>>145092739

>everyone has their own definition

which is pretty arbitrary when your definition is solely based a single game instead of being a bit more universal. like i said, if your definition if based on D2, then you are comparing every other game that calls itself an ARPG to D2, which serves no purpose other than highlights its differences to D2

this is not how you defines genres


>People played D2 for a decade,

People also playing pac man or centipede for decades because there was a limited choice of video games. D2 wasnt the only arpg (i can think of nox coming out before it and being pretty popular) in its generation, but it had the most replayability due to the then-novel battle.net component and this was during a time where a dozen heavily marketed AAA vidya wouldn't come out every year.
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>>145091317
The entire loot system ATM in PoE is built around the trading system. It really is.
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>>145093436
Be more specific in your labels then. Skyrim is an ARPG. Dark Souls is an ARPG. What is even the point of using that term without the implicit understanding that we're talking about similar things?
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>>145089936
all the top hc players are dropping out because shits boring and tedious
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>>145093678
>What is even the point of using that term without the implicit understanding that we're talking about similar things?

the term you want then is a D2-like or D2clone

then yes, all those games arent D2-like, and PoE only superficially is
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>>145093842
you know shit's bad when havoc isn't rerolling to claim #1
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How the fuck do I get single target DPS with arc?
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>>145093978
Why the fuck would you want a D2-clone to turn into D3? Why not just fucking play D3 if you love it so much?
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>>145094108
>non sequitur anon strikes again
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>>145082461
I meant the affix "X% to max life", not the max roll of the affix "X% to max life".
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>>145094283
>I don't like this aspect of the game that is intentionally similar to D2, I want it to be more like D3, which is intentionally not similar to D2
Please tell me where I misunderstood your stance
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>>145094003
Is it really that hard to make a new melee gem that is actually good and not some shitty aoe cleave with sub par dmg compared to eq?? dunno maybe that inflicts bleed in an aoe?? so we can ACTUALLY use bloodlust FOR ONCE?? one fucking melee gem that isn't SHIT and can be used end game ffs, also same with a fucking spell??? last good spell was BV ffs and same with a bow skill, not just some fuckin shitty split arrow copy that sucks dick goddammit, if they just added 3 new gems (melee,spell,bow) that where actually good and could be used end game I would actually play the game for longer than a week and make more than one character BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they add SHITCUNT skills that are out classed by 4 year old shit, nice game retards
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>>145094458
you seem to think that removing cruel (which i think is what you are taking about when you say 'making it more like d3') is not part of the plan of GGG or is somehow something uniquely related to D3 (other games have done it, other arpgs haven't even used a difficulty-based progression in the first place)

they said they plan to make 10 acts. cruel is going away eventually whether you like it or not
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Wow, last league, with all those announcements they made about improvements, I really through this game was going to be good again.

But they're just made it worse.
This game is fucking garbage now.

And I still can't stop playing it.
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>GGG will never make a system that lets you combine 2 maps together to make a hybrid map
>The forsaken masters will never sell items to put in the map device to enable unique map mods
>There will never be uber versions of other bosses that get their own unique maps/map fragments like atziri
>Endgame mapping will always be doomed to grinding yellows and sometimes doing Atziri when you get bored
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if i build around cyclone will it perform well or should i just play memequake
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>>145095145
Cyclone is only good for CoC since it was nerfed.
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>>145095117
>GGG will never make a system that lets you combine 2 maps together to make a hybrid map

i imagine that maps are procedurally generated, so imo there is nothing that could make this impossible
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>>145094812
I also said I'm in favor of cruel being removed at some point after A5 is aded, but as it is now, it serves as the transition between normal and merciless which has been historically the case ith d1+d2 and there is no reason for it to change until the number of acts added makes the leveling phase too bloated
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>>145095145
cucklone can work but people mostly use it for coc builds, go with memequake
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>>145095117
>Hard to do without breaking balance
>There's unique maps already with their own mods
>Uber Izaro exists now, give it time
>Welcome to endgame!
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>>145095343
>2 tilests used in one area
>client can't preload them fast enough
>GGG can't fix it until leddit complains hard enough
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>never got the enchants I wanted last league after at least 500 lab runs

Yeah, nah, Uber Izaro can go suck a big fat one.
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>>145095349
some would say it feels already bloated, but thats mainly due to pacing issues in a4

>>145095504
maybe not combine the tilesets, but randomly chose one map skeleton (big open areas like shore, corridors like arsenal, etc) and one tileset from the maps selected, and shuffle the mobs/mods as well. keep the 2 bosses randomly selecting boss room or just in the open, double chance for masters, etc
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>>145095429
>Hard to do without breaking balance
What if it was limited to 2 maps of the same tier?
The resulting map would still be the same tier, but have the combined mods of the to parent maps allowing for a deadly as fuck map with actual rewards. Some map mods could stack, leading to massive added fire damage, reflect being a massive threat again, etc. The map would only have one boss for balance purposes, which is randomly chosen between the bosses of the two parent maps.
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