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5 AM ded Edition.
Elder Thread: >>144677760
>Official news
Dark Brotherhood DLC is out on PC, and coming June 14th to Xbox One and Playstation 4!
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2016/05/31/dark-brotherhood-is-now-available-on-pc-and-mac
https://youtu.be/xrIdDh7_TBw
>Latest patch notes
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/patch-notes
>Sales and deals
http://www.dlgamer.us/download-the_elder_scrolls_online-pc_games-p-19435.html (authorized reseller)
http://www.kinguin.net/es/catalogsearch/result/index/?q=elder+scrolls+online (some anons have been using it without issues so far)
>Online lore portal and map
http://www.imperial-library.info/
http://uesp.net/wiki/Online:Online
http://esomap.uesp.net/
>UI addons for PC
http://esoui.com/addons.php
>Assorted links
http://teso-rp.com/
http://esoacademy.com/
http://eso-fashion.com/
>/tesog/ Guilds
[PC NA] message @clv for invite
[PC EU] message @the_kyrox for invite
[PS4 NA and EU] message PSN: kibukj. There is also an ESOG PSN community.
>We have a Discord open for every platform:
https://discord.gg/0zy535yopcQNGH6I
>Platform poll:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10281492
hi
lol I made a thread 3 minutes later >>144843997
casual as fuck
>>144844492
>already has champion points
vet get out! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>144844389
It's been 6 hours, what are the chances? it's like when no one posts for an hour and then two posts come within 5 seconds.
>>144844363
Hi :)
>>144844492
it's like playing spot the difference between casu-els and more serious players
>points into all 3 attributes
>looks to be a stam sorc, but has more mag than stam
>skellington
>the weapon crit
have i found everything?
Any anticipation for E3 tomorrow?
![fbf[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/euClx4a.png "fbf[1].png")
> Play tank
> Do daily in Orsinium
> We're just 3 ppl
> Say we should give it a go
> Get told we'll get our ass kicked in
> Say I'll try anyway
> They say they'll be around but it's suicide
> Clear everything up until the world boss with no problem even tho it isn't very fast
> The other ones join by that time
> Healer comments that I manage to solo up to that point
> "Impressive :)"
Damagedealers are missing out
>>144847132
Isn't Bethesda having their show June 12?
>>144847296
a dps can do the same thing faster
>changes to annulment make it block all damage
>finally unlocked harness magicka
>still no conjured ward so basically didn't use any wards before
>now can finally ward it up
I think I'm starting to feel that survival shield sorc feel now :3
>>144849052
aaaand it's gone.
Why did I get a bunch of attribute points and skill points after the update?
>>144849669
nah, the short duration doesn't bother me actually
I never got used to the longer version
also when I got bursted by a vet sorc a few times in a row I realised that I have lots of magicka and some instant cast abilities to spend it on - it's fun using a shitload of spells in a few secs and see enemies wondering where they hp has gone :^)
>>144851764
get that 1k of ult and just spam overload, top sorc meta
Best race for a stamplar?
can somebody explain the concept of champion points to an eso newfag? is it kinda like destiny's light GS?
>>144844492
>Those stats
FUCKING CASUALS GET OUT
>>144852938
>>144853336
post real man stats
>>144854048
You look like a retard
>>144852790
None. Go magicka templar instead
>>144851520
Anyone?
what is the most popular>least popular class order?
is it this?
1. DK
2. Temp
3. NB
4. Sorc
>>144854809
1. Sorc
2. Templar
3. NB
4. DK
PVE DPS wise.
>>144854431
With the removal of veteran rank and 16 veteran levels, level 50 being the max level now, they decided to spread out the stats and skillpoints so you get them from level 1 to 50 instead, 2 points every 5th level and 3 points every 10th level.
>>144852790
Redguard.
Or Khajiit for the Crit %, if you're willing to be completely team reliant on sustain.
>>144855126
Are you on the US server? Because in EU it's the exact opposite when it comes to what classes people play, with DK being in the top and sorc in the bot.
>>144854048
Post real grill stats
>>144855628
US, yes. In my PvE guild i'm literally the only dedicated Mag and Stam DK DPS. The DKs I only ever see are either our guild tanks, terrible pugs or insane maelstrom dagger monsters.
>>144855216
Oh, I see, will mobs be easier then?
>>144855694
>weapon damage that high
How
>>144856223
Mobs in non-veteran areas are surely the same as before. In veteran area they scale by CP now. I noticed that the two NPCs I always kill while thieving in Rawl'kha have more hp after the update; went up from 17k to 21k. So veteran area mobs may be a bit buffed.
>>144857893
Gold weapons w/ gold weapon damage enchant, Hunding's, Kena 2-piece, agi set with full weapon damage enchants, weapon power potion and 501CP.
It could be 200-ish higher if I had daggers with a weapon damage 2-piece bonus, like Leki's, but I crafted Nightmothers before I farmed the Kenas (all that farming when I could have bought them in cyro fuck me), and I cba spending 150k on new daggers.
god this quest was fucking stupid
>>144858759
Bangkorai in general is one of the worst areas for quests in my opinion.
>>144859020
Yeah a lot of them have been awful, not just in terms of writing but design
The entire one with Hermaeus Mora was ridiculous, so much fucking running around
https://medium.com/the-cube/what-should-we-expect-to-see-at-bethesda-s-e3-conference-an-analysis-3a0fae79baf5#.v2afsbkob
Hmm
>>144860081
what a faggot
>>144860081
So what DLC is even next?
>>144862043
Clockwork City most likely
>>144844492
holy shit horrible stats, fix your God damn attribute points casual
>>144858572
gold weapon enchant? what a waste
>>144863440
Weapon enchants only scale with the quality of the item on dropped gear. I crafted the daggers so I had to use gold enchants, unless I wanted lower stats, which I don't.
Anyone know where I can find the latest weapon damage calculations? I'm trying to make my tank character a little faster to level and everything I'm finding is old enough to be incorrect.
>>144860081
He's so wrong I don't know where to begin.
This is add thing but I'd love if you would make some sort of schematics in the game, being allowed to see what your gear will look like before you craft it. Because those tiny icons are useless.
>>144869083
http://www.the-elder-scrolls-by-mysticals.com/
>>144865814
I'm not talking about them being gold, I'm talking about it being a weapon damage enchant, such shit
>>144871047
Are you serious?
Weapon damage enchants are and have always been the preferred main hand enchant, as for PvE DPS they are by far the biggest damage increase.
I have no idea why you think they are less efficient than other enchants, let alone shit.
I just grouped up with a guy that had 2711 CP
Anyone know of a good provisioning addon? I'm looking for something to held me optimize my production.
>>144874413
Sous chef is a provision add-on, can't remember what it does
>>144874413
CraftStore is a all-in-one crafting odd to help you manage, get a better overview and streamline all sorts of crafting.
what is the most wanted build for group dungeons?
>>144844363
>>144844492
I agree I'm casual as fuck and my build sucks, I'm using 1 bar for stam and another for magicka. Can anyone help me I want for both to work what sets should I use and where should I invest points?
>>144877192
Pick either stam or mag.
You can't be good at both.
>>144862043
Vvardenfell.
>>144877192
When you say 'I want both to work' what do you mean exactly? You want to play something that uses stam AND magicka and works well? Also what style of play are you looking for? It's actually possible to use stam/magicka mixed (to a degree) builds but they're usually aimed at tanking or survivability. There's a couple of high armor sorc builds that have come out the woodwork since the shield patch that are heavy armor centric and generally revolve around having reasonably balanced pools (generally more magicka based with and and aimed at having higher spell than weapon damage).
>>144877693
>There's a couple of high armor sorc builds that have come out the woodwork since the shield patch that are heavy armor centric and generally revolve around having reasonably balanced pools (generally more magicka based with and and aimed at having higher spell than weapon damage).
Should note that this is generally for PvP.
>>144877693
This, I actually just use magicka for tanking hits using boundless storm, and hardened ward, then I use lightning flood for AOE. I basically just want to be able to cast these but have mostly everything on stamina since I use a dual wield on one bar and two handed on another bar mixed with magicka.
>>144878231
>https://youtu.be/N2VyHGU4500
Above is a link for a PvP based survival/tank build that I saw on the forum the other day. Looks interesting even though is does have a fucking pet (though I haven't tried them out for a while desu) and I've got fuck all else to do on my sorc so may give it a bash. He's still more magicka/spell focused but with decent stam and uses a sword and board on one bar and a destro staff on the other. One of the advantages is that you're able to go for Willpower jewelry without having to get arcane (which usually cost a fuck ton). The only thing that'll take a bit of effort is the Black Rose set though there may be alternatives for this sort of build.
I've no idea what the state of tank Sorcs is in PvP save for the fact that the shield nerf will inevitably mean that they'll need to change tactics/build. Sorcs weren't exactly great tanks before the DB patch anyways. Shields will not be just quick use for any big incoming damage that you can't avoid rather than throwing them up all the time.
>>144879308
>I've no idea what the state of tank Sorcs is in PvP
Meant PvE
That follow the streetlamps quest in wayrest was a lot of funI took the money
>>144879308
Thanks bud I'll give it a try, right now I'm using an all purple mix of 3 sets, using the briarheart set, sithis, and the 2 piece bloodspawn set. Not even going to lie might keep this set going, since it heavily keeps my alive and the sithis set is the only one I might replace since I'm only getting 4 of its bonuses. I'm working with around 310k of gold so I can't afford the expensive gold set pieces.
>>144874413
Dunmer is a QT!
>>144874413
CookeryWiz is the best for provisioning.
You can queue any amount of different recipes anywhere. The queue is saved if you quit the game. Cook when your at a cooking fire. Stop cooking and continue again at will.
It shows all recipes that exist. Filters recipes by unknown/known/quality/level/text search/favorites. Three favorite categories to save recipes into.
It's most useful when buying ingredients at a guild store to cook. Look at what's for sale while looking at your recipes. Buy ingredients and set a queue for them to be cooked. Now you don't need to remember what the ingredients you bought were for, just go to a cooking fire and start cooking after redeeming the stuff from your mail. If you're buying thousands of ingredients at once and cooking them all for selling to vendors then this is the only way.
>>144877662
Looks like they're planning on making it as big as Orsinium. I like.
>>144862043
Housing will be in Q3
>>144872180
how long does the weapon buff last? did it get buffed or something?
>>144872732
yea a few hundred have over a thousand CP and a handfull have the max 3600
>>144886598
Really? They go to 3600?
Where could you even put all those points?
>>144885546
Same as always, 5 seconds on a 10 second CD.
>>144886695
You don't get points after 501.
>>144888663
You mean, you don't get to put out points after 501
>>144892213
Ah, so it's like that.
I wish there were little caves to explore without quest or purpose, like in Morrowind.
>>144892412
try delves? they pretty much fucking pointless cookie cutter shit caves, you'll love 'em, they have like little item started quest in them but that about it, they only real reason to go is run halfway through to grab the skyshard and then fuck off again.
>>144843997
Okay, /tesog/ sell me on teso. What makes it stand out?
>>144894185
Everything you're heard about it is false.
>>144894185
Should really have a detailed explanation for these questions in the OP or something.
>>144893790
I know them, there's also a small boss at the end, but they're all the same and too big.
>>144894443
But I've heard nothing except that it's good but not exceptional. If you play the game then sure you can tell me more? Just generally how does it compare to other big titles?
>>144895008
It's the only MMO i've played.
>>144894185
The combat system, flexibility among classes and abilities and PvP is the most fun I've ever had in a mmo. There's a siege at this very moment that have lasted hours on the EU PC server on the non-champion points campaign, between the pact and the covenant. The winners will probably be the ones who go to bed earliest. If you like the lore in Elder Scrolls there's a lot of it in ESO.
>>144896041
> The winners will probably be the ones who go to bed earliest.
The losers, obviously.
>>144894185
Things i like about eso:
>leveling
Of course its quest running and such, but there is more exploration and freedom then any mmo i've played.
>classes
as unbalanced as they are, you still have so much freedom in doing your build. There are the "min/max" builds but if you play like a sane person and build what ever the fuck you want it gives you the tools for that. Think skyrim, but not as free
>pvp
once again unbalanced when it comes to classes, but it still is the most fun i've had since i first started pvping in mmos
>quests in general
every quest is voice acted, and they are pretty innovative. Best ones i've tried so far are the thieves guild ones and i havent even touched most of them.
>combat
its simple and somewhat unique but still nice
cant really give an opinion on trials(raids) or dungeons since i've only tried 2 dungeons so far(im lvl50 cp41).
If you don't need mmo to be polished from top to bottom and can overlook a few bugs here and there then its mmo for you.
>>144896041
>>144896282
Cheers, guys. Sounds a lot like GW2 when people tried to get me in and I loved that game. I'll probably give it a try as soon as I have some spare cash.
>>144896485
check OP for good prices
>>144884872
They'd better not fuck it up but I anticipate it'll suck. I actually want housing to be fairly limited (not some shit like instanced housing for all) and actually have some proper customisation for both interior and exterior. I also want it to actually be in a place out in the world and not just plonked in 'housing area 501' or some shit. That said I'd be fine with instanced 'districts' that are limited in number but can actually look different from one another. You could also throw in some 'tavern rooms' or apartments for less limited housing so everyone can have a personal little space they can customise and pleb about in.
There's shit loads of depopulated cities/towns after we've finished questing so it'd be neat if they actually used those. Take somewhere like Camlorn for example, it's a big space that does fuck all after you've done the quests there. Why not have the option of repopulating it after you've cleared it out? I also hope we get shit like player run shops (not just the guild traders) and that sort of thing.
>>144896041
you mean BWB? that feel when played like 7 hours today and got myself to the top ten the first time :3
>>144897370
Nah, Azura's star.
Thieves guild quests ain't half bad
>>144899827
It's fun in BWB because I get that cosy feel. When I log in there in AD I often see familiar faces farming AP and yelling in chat.
>Tfw got 6 in the leaderboard today
>Tfw AD as usual raped in the ass and pushed into their innermost keeps
Still fun :3
This champion point thing is a real boon to those of us with lots of alts. In addition to my main, I have a number of abandoned characters I didn't want to spend the time to level, a lvl 50, a lvl 46, a lvl40, and a lvl 19.
>>144910336
I wish it was shared between servers...
>>144910336
It is. It's great because levelling alts won't be a pain in the ass anymore. You're never really losing progress by playing on an alt. Before I didn't want to level an alternative charather. But after the changes I'm considering making alternatives because why not.
>>144905884
Azura is skewed enough that it's essential the pact fighting on two fronts against the two other alliances, it's fairly rare you see daggerfall vs aldmeri forces battling it out.
>TFW played mostly BWB since it released
>Barely have 300 CP when i should be over the cap if i had played vet.
>>144843997
>unlock werewolf mode out of curiosity
>Think it'll probably be kind of lame
>Turns out it's basically a short duration rape mode like it was in skyrim.
Need some suggestions on what DLC should be good to buy on the long run. I used to be able to maintain eso+ but dont have the money for it anymore, and i got few spare crowns left of it. I pvp mostly so is IC a solid choice or...?
Is playing without the dlc any good at all? Am I missing out on some amazing stuff or anything like that? I have an urge to play the game again, but I stopped at around level 15 I think.
Is vampire bite from the crown store a waste of crowns? I have a bunch from subscribing but there's not really anything else I want to spend them on.
Is vampirism a bad choice for a templar tank?
>>144924302
I'd say you can, especially since once you finish the main story, then you can experience the stories of the other factions and all that jazz.
>>144847132
Eh, nothing really expected on my part, but my money is it's gonna be information on the next round of Fallout 4 DLCs and maybe some TESO DLC stuff.
>>144923806
well, hard for me to say as a PVEr, but I think, yeah, Imperial City.
>>144923337
Now get a friend and get Pack Leader or whatever it's called + Devour and that skill that gives you more time each time you get hit.
So much face-eating.A shame it doesn't have the over the top kill animations like Skyrim though.
>>144926051
hahah, already got it. We both went pack leader morph so we end up with six wolves total ripping into stuff.
>>144924302
Not really. I mean, at the very end game you're missing out on content other people have, and you won't be able to craft certain stuff because those crafting stations are only in DLC areas, but if you're only level 15 there's no reason outside of actual curiosity on Orc culture or you really want to be a member of the Dark Brotherhood to bother with the DLC's until you've done everything in the base game. It's not p2w.
The only one that matters in any way before the end game is probably the Dark Brotherhood since you get access to the Blade of Woe, allowing your to instantly kill trash mob humans from behind if you sneak up on them. But we're talking about enemies that you would be able to kill faster by just doing it the ordinary way.
About to start playing this game, do I have to roll a Nightblade to enjoy the Thief/Dark Brotherhood content?
>>144933519
You'll survive the main story and each characters main arc but daily hiests are hard without being a nightblade. That goes for both DLC's.
>>144895008
I love the fact that weapons and armor are not class locked, anything goes
who here /wishestheywereanywherebuthere/
I just want to see the homeland.
>>144843997
List five things you'd like to see in this game:
>Personal/Guild housing
>Player created quests (like Mission Architect in City of Heroes)
>Fist weapons and crossbows (either using existing weapon skillsets with modified animations or unique)
>Spears as their own weapons and not restricted purely to Templars
>More Elsweyr
>>144943141
>dps build diversity
>increased cp cap
>more vet dungeons
>australian servers
>magdk buffs
that about sums it up
>>144933519
Nightblades make the dailies a lot easier cause they can cloak. I also have a sneaking gear setup that I use when I do them (remove movement penalty for sneaking, decrease detection radius by 2m). If you're one of the races with the sneak passives (Khajiit, Bosmer) that helps too, or have the vamp sneak bonus.
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4a4b3q/tg_easy_mode_how_to_master_sneak/
>>144943141
>Arenas/battlegrounds
>FIX CYRODIIL LAG
>Increase cp cap
>more vet dungeons/trials
>continuation of the storyline
>>144943056
Me. Its a nice town were everything is conveniently placed, but theres so many people there and so many of them are spamming abilities that it takes forever to load in and I end up walking into a load screen every time I take 10 steps
>>144855694
Post master race stats.
>>144945182
Less blurry version
>>144945182
>>144945948
Hell yeah Argonian master race.
>>144943141
>more argonian lore
>increase maelstrom arena drop rates
>spear and fist new weapon skills
>improve cyrodiil lag while still preventing cheats
>continued storyline
>>144945948
I just started and I'm playing stam NB, and was just wondering about the attributes. So far I'm splitting between stam and health at about 3:1 ratio.
Should I go full stam?
Did they fix the dungeon finder yet?
>>144950510
The idea is you want to go everything into stamina as long as you have at least ~19k HP so you don't get one shot. Since I'm at max CP I can go full stamina in just about everything.
Also attributes are the cheapest to move around if you're trying to get 19k HP, no need to buy robust agi rings when healthy is good.
If you just started I wouldn't worry too much. Just try aim for 5 hundings, 4 night mother's and 3 agility jewellery and that's good enough gear to do every PvE content except vet maw of lorkhaj (which I personally haven't completed yet and if I were to try I would do it on a magicka build).
Posting is back
>>144945182
>>144945948
> Argonians using argonian-styled weapons
noice
too bad the argonian heavy armour looks like it does
half the reason I want murkmire is to get a new style for argonians
Should I join a 4chin guild or regular guild? I'm interested in PvP, crafting as well as dungeons and stuff (still below level 50 though), so I guess a little bit of everything. :3
>>144956552
Why not both?
>>144956552
based on how you write I'd say join a 4chan guild. You'll probably find a few creeps to erp with.
I wonder how many dreugh wax I'll get from this batch
> Refined leather is selling for more than unrefined leather
The market is bloody bonkers at this moment.
crafting writs seem to be a major pain in the ass to do, so I'm just wondering if they are worth the effort or just a waste of time?
>>144956552
You can join 5 guilds
>>144957918
the fuck?
>>144957918
Welp, roughly 1 dreugh wax every stack
>>144958447
I've gotten that from grinding,more to come :^)
>>144958854
Any other numbers?
I quit xiv because the community was way too casual and the pvp was shit (especially for healers), are those things any better in teso?
>>144958321
Enchanting, Provisioning and Alchemy are really quick to do. I have the provisioning writ foods in my inventory so all I need to do is return it each day. Also, there's an addon for automatically crafting the writ items when at a crafting station and automatically taking writ items at your bank.
Equipment crafting requires mats which require either farming them every day or buying them so they are more time-consuming.
>>144959065
Thesedubs
>>144959298
Enchanting is easy wat?
This shit is taking me forever
>>144959459
Once you have enough runes, yes. All I do is craft the glyph, visit my bank, return. With your hireling and the writ reward giving you, on average, more runes back than you spend it requires no effort. Also doing pledges + random dungeon everyday gives you glyphs which means more runes.
While we're on the topic of crafting, for someone just starting out should I be crafting while I'm leveling or is it better to just wait till I'm max level or close to max to get into crafting?
>>144959701
while you are levexing of course
>>144959701
Ye
As you play, you'll be getting equipment. You should deconstruct them but sell the ornate pieces.
>>144959701
For equipment crafting, if you ever want to be able to craft all craftable sets in the game, you want to start researching traits immediately and level your professions until you have the research passive maxed as fast possible. It will take about a year to get all traits researched for every item in one profession.
A simple, quick and relatively cheap way to level equipment crafting is stealing items from vendors, laundering them and deconstructing. Unlaundered items give almost no inspiration whatsoever so laundering is a must. Depending on which faction you are in this is easier to do. In EP there's a good vendor for woodworker and blacksmithing items in Davon's Watch and really good vendor for clothier in Stormhold. In DC Wayrest has a good vendor for clothier. AD has only crap vendors afaik. The more items they have on display and the easier they are to steal the better.
Provisioning, Enchanting and Alchemy can be leveled as you level and gather mats and recipes to craft. Though enchanting is the hardest to level. You either need someone to craft you glyphs to deconstruct or buy them from guild stores.
>>144894185
>what makes it stand out
From some one who played from beta to about 6 months ago, who had 2 VR16's, over 550 Champion Points, Rank 25 Alliance, crowned emp multiple times... Nothing, really.
The quests are mostly boring, the main story is just running down a single instanced corridor, combat is better than the typical MMO but it's still shit and the animations are some of the worst in any MMO or TES game, the design of everything has a weird scaling where everything is gigantic like they shrunk the size of the player down to make the world seem bigger, brown and bloom everywhere, no imagination or thought put into the world at all and so many copy paste textures and objects everywhere, the PVP aspect of the game (it was heavily marketed as a pvp focused game at launch) is in shambles from over 2 years of neglect and the servers still lag and spike ping to 999 whenever there's a battle with ~20 people in the area, they scrapped bounty hunting, spellcrafting and any future pvp updates. It's supposed to be an MMO but they removed all the big features from their development focus and just release PVE story DLC now so it's like a watered down single player game that you have to pay premium price for if you want the latest content.
The vanilla game without the DLC suffers the most from the problems I listed but some of the DLC content has actually improved the world. Wrothgar is so much better than the rest of the world it's ridiculous. I haven't played much of Thieves guild and I got Dark Brotherhood but haven't played it. I really only stuck around because it was the best pvp game with the most customization and build variety. I quit to play Black Desert and haven't looked back because the servers are still a mess and I know they will never do anything about it because the community for that is long dead.
>>144924302
DLC > base game
the difference in quality is pretty significant but if you like the base game I would finish that up first so you don't ruin it for yourself later
>>144959362
not even close
>>144962596
This sounds like a serious case of burnout.
>>144962596
This should be in the next OP
:)
>>144959701
Deconstruct. It's FAR cheaper than buying crafting materials. Just buy a fuckton of stuff from the guild stores, and maybe a psijic ambrosia potion, and you can get all your non-enchanting craft skills to super high within half an hour for cheap.
>mfw trying to make a pve tank
>can actually make some synergy between mag and stam
This is fun as fuck
>>144962596
>clearly disliked like, every part of the game ever
>but spent that much time on it
Everything wrong with MMO players, everyone. Jesus christ anon. Why did you stick around? Why didn't you go somewhere else?
>>144953637
I like the Argonian daggers especially because they're essentially kukris which make sense in a jungle environment. So good.
The swords are too big though.
>>144970457
>Why did you stick around?
Read the post.
The pvp WAS fun but they neglected it too much.
The pve was always dogshit.
there weren't any other games out worth playing and believe me i tried - wow, ffxiv, tera, gw2, archeage, they're all shit and marketed worse if you're looking for something with fun pvp
I held out for so long because there was hope with the "re-release" of the game to console and such that they would improve server performance and lag in pvp or that Imperial City would be good; but they didn't and it wasn't. The performance got worse and IC was a disaster of lost potential and clearly abandoned features like the entire upper portion of the city eg. It was supposed to have capturable objectives that would impact the rest of cyrodil to give people a reason to fight there, but it was a ghost town only a couple weeks after the DLC launched.
>>144971080
Who cares nigger, I and the rest of this thread seem to enjoy it. You do sound like a case of burnout. Chill and take a long break perhaps.
>>144971730
>"Who cares"
>xD its just a game
>so what if its bad just turn off your brain haha xD
Kill yourself.
>>144971730
he's right though
>>144971080
Its really funny how that exactly the same applies to wow.Just change IC with tol barad, wintergrasp or ashran. I wonder where this person might be coming from?
>>144972304
I'd actually go as far to say that all those attempts at WoW "open world" pvp were better than IC because people actually did them and they gave decent rewards. They're still all bad but I remember having some fun in Wintergrasp at least.
>>144971969
I agree with him. Everything looks shitty and boring when you're burnt out.
>>144973198
The pvp wasn't shitty - it was unplayable because of lag. Huge difference.
>>144962596
>>144971080
>>144971969
>I quit to play Black Desert and haven't looked back
You learn to hate every single MMO if you play long enoughand one day you will write a post similar to these about BD
>>144971969
it's good though :xD
>>144972304
>>144973136
Odd thing about wow world pvp, and I don't know if they changed it after I stopped playing, but they put all this effort into say the northrend expansion's pvp zone and next expansion it's a ghost town. I played the expansion after that one, and never really got to see the zone in action.
I hope that if they add any new pvp anythings to eso, it won't be possible to out-level it, or outlevel the rewards, or whatever it was that stopped people looking at the outdated zones in wow. The same applies similarly to pve content - so much content sitting there and people don't have a reason to visit it once the next expansion hits.
>>144973359
I've never actually experienced bad lag in cyrodiil, so I can't say I've seen it unplayable. Although admittedly I've never played in USA peak times where the server can get full in the dinky little non cp map I play on.
So, which faction should I avoid if I want to go full PVP? Which faction sucks the most?
>>144976171
Blue are OP, nerf blue. Red are okay.
T. Yellow.
>>144976171
No faction sucks at PvP. Ebonheart has the biggest population (at least in EU PC) so they're the best at zerging. Daggerfall struggles with numbers but they have really good small group PvP. With Aldmeri I usually end up fighting 1v1 1v2 2v2 and so on but they have good grouping too. It's not about the people you meet in there, it's about the people you go there with. The only thing where it's crucial are party leaders, often people who run for the emperor. If they sucks, then the whole faction is kinda screwed.
>>144976171
On EU, DC seem to fight pretty hard but balanced, AD seem pretty agressive against both factions and EP seem prety strong defensively
Whats the feral druid/boomkin equivalent in this game? I want to be obscure and terrible.
Who elseexistsaround here?
>>144978914
cloaking melee dps who's fast / ranged caster dps
Probably a magicka NB with a destro staff, maybe some hybrid to get into a bit of melee dps, more other stamina speed.
>>144973881
Well, it just became out-dated content in wow, because they added something new and "better"
i really cant see that happening in eso, since cyrodiil offers so much. And on top of that theres IC(havent tried it) its just that most of the pvp players in general are crying cause they have lag and the classes are unbalanced. Neither of those things have stopped me from pvping, ever. The lag is something they are working on and if they realize that people dont pvp(like its starting to happen in eso) they will stop putting efforts in it. The funniest thing is the class balance. There has never been mmo or even a moba with good balance. A things i'd like to see made to pvp is that, cyrodill performance affects the world outside of it in some matter.
>>144973881
Not really. I mean, Cyrodiil is *the* PvP area. All other kind of PvP they possibly add, like duels and small arenas, will be just extra. The devs can control the population with the alliance point currency and how much you gain where.
>>144978914
>I want to be obscure and terrible.
Stamina-based healer, you'll be obscure and terrible, and kicked from every group you join.
>>144981998
Just like feral druids in vanilla wow! perfect!
>>144982137
You'll actual be so obscure and strange that I don't think people will kick you because they won't really know what you are. I've never came across one even as a joke.
What is the best class I can respec to with a Breton nightblade?
I feel like a moron for not understanding the Anu vs Sithis thing going on in the Dark Brotherhood until now. I thought "well these two organizations don't really have any connection in any way but I suppose it make sense to have Akatosh since this is an Imperial Province" when I played the main story in Dark Brotherhood.
>>144983259
Can't respec classes.It will probably sooner or later come up in the crown store
>>144983398
That would break the game(or any other mmo) so its never going to happen. If it does happen. I'll stop playing right away. Race change would be nice tho.
Playing through whatever the morrowind faction is, I'm enjoying it so far, but it's kind of just making me want to go back and actually play morrowind...
>>144984076
That would be even more ridiculous
>>144984585
Ebonheart landscapes make me yearn for morrowind so hard. Thankfully they are actually adding Vvardenfell into the game as DLC.
>>144985601
How do you even say 'Vv' in English? Romanisation of other languages suggests it could just be a louder, more stressed vee sound, but it sounds like a word from that little bit of cold europe near mother Russia, so yah? waa? Help be here, guise.
>>144986135
Just like Vardenfell
>>144983398
No I meant build sorry
Like what's the best build I could do with a Breton nightblade? Magblade?
suck my dick
>>144989759
>study forums, read tanking guides, craft heavy armour medium glove light belt, train 1h/s, train fighters guild scorp get over here, stop being bad, be good, queue tank
>purchase resto staff and spam mutagen + heal bubble, queue healer
Problem solved.
>>144990764
Is there a huge difference between the amount of tanks and healers? Because I went from healer to tank after the patch and I've been queuing for almost an hour, random veteran dungeon.
>>144992023
Oh, there was/is some bug in the queue
>>144992267
Yea. I feel dumb for not reporting the bug earlier, because I tried to queue on the PTS but never got anything as a healer but I always assumed it was because people tried out all the other content so no one wanted to do dungeons since nothing outside of nerfs to vCoA and vICP changed.
Hello.
>>144995763
Why, hello
I just discovered that Lifts-Her-Tail makes an appearance in TESO. She is featured prominently in the Argonian Motif book.
>>144996885
>>144997335
Have they said anything concrete about what they wanna do with Craglorn?
>>144996885
>I just discovered that Lifts-Her-Tail makes an appearance in TESO
which makes no goddamn sense
So which of the addon zones or post coldharbour zones follow on from the main story, or any other of the games' stories?
I just came back after not playing in like a year. I've been updating the fucking game for over 2 hours now and it's still at 3% what the fuck is going on? Is this normal?
>>145001320
>ESO lore is retarded and poorly presented fanservice
what a surprise...
Is it normal to find 7 heavy crates/sacks in the same general area? In coldharbour on that golden era ship There were 4 crates on/around the deck and 3 in the hold, first time I've ever seen that many in one spot.
>>145001561
check if the speed and the other values are frozen, if so, start the launcher as admin.
>>145002425
It's updating, but it keeps restarting, applying a patch, then starts downloading again.
>>145002846
That sounds normal... but it should advance, give it some more time and if it's indeed stuck... restart, repair, reinstall.
Nightblade is the defacto assassin type, right?
10 really?
>>144996885
>>144997335
>>144997646
>>145001320
you can actually find The Lusty Argonian Maid though. I found the first book last night in Reaper's March.
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>>145009242
They also retconned it in.
Poor Crassius...
>>145009414
a bit of a damn shame. The lore really did take a hit in TESO, I mean the game's still enjoyable, but when some things come up, they really do bug me.
Like isn't the Mane supposed to actually look different from other types of Khajit besides an (admittedly nice) hat?
>>145010204
Well, nothing even remotely on the scale of the retconns in Morrowind and Oblivion.
>>144921964
I know that feel
>>145012056
I know with Oblivion, that was what introduced the "generic medieval fantasy Cyrodiil", but what are some other examples from both Obliv and Morrow that are equal to or greater than some of the egregiousness of Online?
>>145012876
Biggest offence in Morrowind ought to be how they turned the Hist from a tribe of slightly smarter argonians into timber.
>>145012876
Read the Warp in the West for an account of the massive retcon they implemented to turn the world of TES II Daggerfall into the world of TES III Morrowind. They didn't even try to be subtle about it. Compared to that and the retcon of the Tamriel jungle any discrepancy in TESO is both minor and typically provided with plausible support.
The idea that TES lore is and always has been immutable is itself a retcon of sorts. On the contrary, it has always been adjusted as necessary for the benefit of the next game in the series.
>>145013862
The Warp in the West was necessary given DF's end.
>>145014028
Exactly, because they wanted to continue the series. They even changed the scale of the entire world to fit the new game world paradigm.
>>145015410
how big was tamriel supposed to be before?
Especially since, as I understand, Daggerfall was pretty huge.
>>145012876
>but what are some other examples from both Obliv and Morrow that are equal to or greater than some of the egregiousness of Online?
How about there existing dunmers without the dark skin to everyone having dark skin being a really big deal in Morrowind due the Azura's curse?
![DF-Barenziah_Face[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/XHhBx1C.png "DF-Barenziah_Face[1].png")
>>145012876
>>145019919
To clarify, this is a Daggerfall dunmer.
>>145020106
>>145019919
wow, that's...
A big difference.
I want to be a nuker what class should I play?
>>144984076
>That would break the game
Not really. It's so easy to get alts to max level now that the only real reason people would even do it in the first place is if they really wanted to keep the same character or if they didn't want to rebuy/regrind for gear (assuming it's even suitable for the class you 'respec' into). You could get to 50 really fucking fast if you have a craft alt to keep you in Training trait greens and jewed experience scrolls from the Crown Store.
>>145023023
Nightblade or sorcerer are probably your best options if you want a lot of damage in a short amount of time. But they're bottom tier when it comes to being able to do damage over time, afaik.
man fuck these load times, it's either join a dead campaign and never have people to fight or join a packed campaign and look at 10 minute load screens every time you port
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Kurogdid nothing wrong, all he wanted was for orcs to stop being the joke of Tamriel
>>145025920
What kind of potato are you playing on? i've got almost instant loading screens.
>>145018306
It would take weeks to travel from one end of the game map to the other. I came out of the tutorial dungeon with some disease and I died in the several days it took to get to the nearest town.
On a map of Tamriel, the Daggerfall world is roughly the same size as Skyrim which you can run across in about a day.
The game world was large but mostly empty, so you fast traveled everywhere. Obviously that didn't fit the sort of game world they wanted to create for Morrowind so they changed the scale of the world to suit their needs.
>>145030237
>Travel skyrim in about a day
people bring this up a lot, but I'm not sure one can say it's 100% accurate at least to developer intent.
Remember: default timescale in Skyrim is x20 realtime, and x30 in Oblivion and Morrowind.
This means that the time it takes to travel across the maps, in-game/in-universe tend to be several days, even weeks, so it could be that Bethesda opted to simply use a sped up timescale than try to convey the geography as so large in-game.
I could be wrong though. Actually, maybe I'll ask on the Bethesda forums themselves.
HELP!
I'm a new player and was looking to make a dps/tanking Templar, but I'm having problems deciding on a race, any suggestions?
>>145027576
A potato known as a PS4.
It does that 'this may be an unusually long load time' or whatever any time you leave a big keep siege or something.
>>145031584
I think the loremaster actually talk about this on an ESO live episode, that it's a matter of characters (including player charathers) perceptions of things, that there's some places where there's a distinction between lore and gameplay, and that mapsize is one of them. This is also the explanation for funky maps and changes between games, and why the Imperial City isn't big enough to house hundreds of thousands of citizens.
>>145034830
Imperial if possible.
>>145034930
Honestly, i laughed. I don't want to start a console vs pc war here, but i don't see why anyone would play mmos specially eso on a console, since its "demanding(poorly optimized)" i've got a decent pc and cant play it on 60fps cause i hate how the low settings look like, but i do fairly often grab my controller while playing.
Oh well to each their own.
Since my knowledge on consoles is pretty bad, are ps4's 32-bit?
>>145035316
Why imperial if you don't mind me asking?
>>145002846
Finally after 7 hours.
>>145035892
Imperials have really great racial skills for tanking. They get extra health and stamina, both used when tanking (when you block you drain stamina instead of health). Red diamond also means that the little hits you may get in when you're not holding up your shield have a chance to heal you.
Here's a list of em all, should be updated.
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Racial+Skills
However more important than racial passives are that you feel comfortable playing said race. If you dig redguards, get a redguard.
>>145036389
Thanks a bunch for the link, I'll look through it and decide from there, thanks a bunch
Also just want to add that the ESO community seems a lot nicer than other MMOs, I'm new to MMOs and just trying out a bunch of random ones, so far my worst experience has been WoW, tried asking on the WoW thread what race my Paladin should go and I got bombarded with insults, and people in game are just as rude.
>>145031584
>Remember: default timescale in Skyrim is x20 realtime, and x30 in Oblivion and Morrowind.
>This means that the time it takes to travel across the maps, in-game/in-universe tend to be several days, even weeks
That''s not what it means. It simply means that one irl day is 20 in-game days, not that one in-game day is 20 in-game days.
>>145035194
okay, so, yeah, Tamriel is apparently supposed to be at least as big as North America with the different provinces begin about the size of large states or Canadian provinces. Right?
Still, it would be interesting to see Bethesda maybe just do a promotional thing to show about how big some of the cities are supposed to be. Actually I think they did do that.
Otherwise, I think there's this, which is supposed to be a city from Morrowind.
I'm about to delete my character before making a new one since I haven't played since this shit was released. Is there something I should know before trashing it? I'm seeing a Delete(3) button, does that mean I can only delete 3 characters ever and if I want to delete a fourth one I need to pay or some shit?
>>145038323
you get 1 delete every 24 hours capping at 3
Anything else?
>>145039367
master merchant
awesome guild store
I like Bretons, Redguards, Khajits and Dunmers. Which class and build should I pick for each of them
Make the Breton a Templar as a healer due to their great magicka bonus, then make the Redguard as a stamina-focused Dragonknight tank due to their stamina, the Khajit as a stamina-focused Dragonknight damagedealer for their bonus to critical damage, and the Dunmer as a magicka-focused Dragonknight due to their bonus with fire damage.
It may sounds like I'm joking but this patch have fucked over the balance so hard that there's no reason to not play a Dragonknight. You see, the Dragonknight is best in every role except healing, there they're merely the 2nd best class.
>>145041508
>Breton
Sorc
>Redguard
Dragon Knight
>Khajit
Nightblade
>Dunmer
Also Sorc?
You could also buck conventuion and have like a Dragonknight Khajiit (not so weird since Akatosh to Khajiit is a "dragon-cat" god)
>>145039367
Master merchant
Awesome guild store
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Only a few days away until we get to know what they're planning for the next of the year.
Are the DLCs worth it? Should I finish the free content before deciding on buying a subscription?
>>145043521
Dunmer bonus to flame damage works well with Dragon Knight abilities.
