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>>144404187
first for being first you fucks
>kill off Lords of armies
>kill off two heroes
>kill off a majority of the forces on the enemy
>even my black orcs and grimgor himself begins to rout for no fucking reason
Straight up alt-f4'd that, complete and utter bullshit. There was no reason for any of them to rout.
What mods you guys using?
I like Better Guns, makes them bit more fun to use desu.
Fourth for
THIS THREAD DOES NOT HAVE MY CONSENT
>>144404378
the 10% movement in friendly territory one, haven't really explored anything else.
Looking for a cute /twg/ boyfriend to be gay together
We must voice chat frequently, and watch an endless number of /his/ documentaries and movies, while playing TW together whenever it strikes our moods.
How many archers ride in an arachnarok? Can I replace my night goblins with them or are they not really that viable ranged
>>144404397
SUMMON
>grimgor at level 30 with min-maxed build
>he walks right on up to the dwarven faction lord, who is level 24
>literally kills the fucker in two hits
>mfw
>mfw Green Dwarf holds and Estalia continue to attack Empire in the back even after Archaon shows up, and because of that Empire can't handle storm of Chaos coming from the north. They refuse to make peace with me (dwarves).
Fucking kikes, all of them. If not for Vampire counts blocking my reinforsing armies, i would've sent a few regiments to deal with you chaos-worshiping cunts. You bet your traitorous ass, this is going into the Book of Grudges.
>>144404529
Not really viable ranged unfortunately, my ideal end-game build for greenskins was
1 Lord or LL
8 Black Orcs
4 Night Goblin Archers
2 Arachnarok Spiders
2 Giants
2 Savage Orc Boar Boy Big-Uns
1 Doom-Diver Catapult
and that was basically enough to steamroll through ANYTHING i faced. Especially the army with Grimgor leading it, dear god, it was a fucking mobile slaughterhouse.
>>144404460
Looking for a hardcore /twg/ serb battlebuddy to commit genocide together.
We must communicate on radio frequently, and watch an endless number of kebab removal videos and movies, while killing turkroaches people together whenever it strikes our moods.
Oh fuck me. Fucking shield of civilization.
Looks like it's gonna be a "help Archaon destroy the civilized world" campaign.
WHAT DO I DO, DATE IS BEING AN ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>144404673
THE
>>144404792
We could do that and watch /his/ documentaries too, if you hold my hand
Dorf stacks on the right, undead stacks on the left. Looks like I'm going to have to turtle and maybe fuck off into the mountains to hide again and hope the dwarves prevail. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong in this campaign.
>>144404795
>MUSTER THE STATE TROOPS
>move slight amount in march stance
>suddenly unable to switch to any other stance and thus have to reload
nice
>>144404817
ELECTOR
>>144404856
>S.E.Lain
great taste buddy, stay safe from the government mind-control brainwave emitters.is this real, it looks real
creating a mod to make gyrocopters viable, anyone has some values that would make them viable?
>>144404856
Honesty, aside from clearly having some odd quirks, I'd hang with this guy in a setting I felt I wouldn't be murdered in because there were witnesses nearby.
Seems like the kind of nigga who could talk to you about metal for hours and never lose interest in what he is saying.
>>144404809
You can win that easily
Is TW:Warhammer good?
>>144405231
maybe
>Still no baance patch
>>144405010
CUNTS
>>144405216
Ended up being a costly victory because his generals were fucking me up bad.
>>144405068
>>144405170
I believe you are both negating my quest for a loving /twg/ boyfriend
> Tomb Kings still not announced
>>144404795
That's a whole lot of fucking NATO going on there
what do you think of this army composition?
>>144404856
>>144405010
Kinda prefer this color scheme of Karl
Player 2 Karl?
>>144405231
It has a much wider variance of units between the factions than say, Attila.
It really depends on if you can get behind the fantasy aspect or not, I'm fine with it so I've been enjoying it but some of the other /his/fags clearly struggle to find any enjoyment in it.
Some things are simplified like sanitation is gone, mercenaries are gone (their mechanic exists for one faction in TW:W though), food is gone, family trees are gone, naval combat is gone, small town defense is gone, etc. but the game does improve in a lot of areas.
Each faction offers a VERY different take on the game. I'm enjoying my purchase a lot, already put in 73 hours.
If you have the money to drop on it, and any semblance of interest, I'd say go for it. If you really need a lot of convincing though before you feel comfortable making the purchase it may be better to hold off.
>>144405170
I don't think he wants to talk about metal, desu. I can only see one old busted speaker and no amp. You'll have better luck talking about cyberpunk.
>>144405370
please don't interrupt
>>144405424
The vampire counts are the only allies I can potentially use here, but they're the ones getting bullied by chaos right now.
Can't you fuckers see we need to band together as an axis of evil
>>144405447
Warhammer Online all around had higher quality artists doing their concept work.
I mean there is some great stuff from TW:W but it doesn't touch the ridiculously meticulous attention to detail that the WH:O artists brought to the table.
Look at this Bright Wizard, I dare you to find me a better picture of a Bright Wizard anywhere. Fucking. Anywhere.
>>144405515
It's clear that he'd be more interested in outer-space, you fool.
Now help me find a boyfriend.
>first campaign play as VC, pretty good if played right, love the faction on a concept level and aesthetically
>campaign as dorfs, VC is doing horribly, can't even get out of Eastern Sylvania
>now doing Empire, 40 turns in, VC is once again awful, fucking Templehof is higher in the power ranking
Make Mannfred great again, CA.
SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS
RIGHT
FUCKING
NOW
>>144405010
COUNTS
>>144405597
Karl will be your boyfriend
Who else gotten their money's worth so far
Paid $40 got 200 hours
>>144405719
How do you already have 200 hours?Proof?
>>144405693
You might die a horrible death, but at least it'll be fun in Warhammer
>>144405702
That's an impossibility because GW killed him
>>144405762
I'd post proof but I'm comfy in bed atm
To be fair I did leave it one one night or two so it's probably closer to 170-180 in reality
Not having a job helped
>>144404460
>>144405370
>>144405772
What about 40k then, buddy?
What about Mortarion, anon?
He could sure use a friend these days. Gets bullied harder than all the other Daemon Primarchs.
How does the CA mod manager work for TW:W? If I have 2 mods adding units but they don't edit any existing entries in the tables (just add new lines), will the mod still work or not?
>>144405693
BY
>>144405679
you know what I have learned playing as empire on very hard?
don't take marienburg until way fucking later in the game as the skaeling gun it for you once you take that fucking city.
even in death marienburg fucks you over.
>>144405772
....fine.
Sigmar will be your boyfriend.but only if you protect his smile
>>144405859
He's clearly not /twg/ - you're not taking this seriously.
>>144404795
>top knotz
>allies
You already done fucked it up.
S┴N∩OƆ ɹO┴ƆƎ˥Ǝ ƎH┴ NOWW∩S
>>144406064
ooɔ ʎʇʇǝɹd s,ʇɐɥʇ ʎǝɥ
>>144405901
Just make walls you retard
Hmm, TW:Warhammer is really a great game that gives you the one more turn feel, but after only 65 hours i find myself kinda done with it for now.
For as fun as it was to shout WAAGH (much to the confusement of my neighbors) and grumble about grudges, it kinda quickly fades.
I completed all campaigns on hard and very hard, and while factions are nicely different, it is the same for everyone.
Survive the start and then you easily win by simply pressing end turn enough times.
I wish i had an excuse to play this more than just increasing a statistic number for the enemy. I feel i have already gotten the essence of out the game, even if its super interesting.
In comparison i played Shogun 2 for about 150 hours without me feeling that the game was too linear, but maybe i just didnt use the right cheese strats.
I wish i could use hundreds of hours on this game, but at least i can look forward to DLC:
>meanwhile in Averland
>>144406146
>literally yelling Waagh Irl
Your autistic bro
>>144406146
>For as fun as it was to shout WAAGH (much to the confusement of my neighbors)
pffchchhchhhhchchhCHCHCH
>>144406058
Not hm but I did something similar at first anon.
>ally with Crooked Moon Tribe, Bloody Spearz and Top Knotz ASAP
>kill red fangs take all their territory
>kill karak azul take all their territory
>by now top knotz will probably have killed the rest of the greenskins in the western badlands
>declare war on top knotz
>take all their shit
>declare war on crooked moon tribe
>take all their shit
I now own all of Badlands and it is about turn 50. Bloody Spearz I basically just used as meat shield until I had the Badlands united and had the strength to go fuck up the rest of the world.
>>144404795
You should always conquer all of the badlands so you are not a piss ant, else they will just declare war on you.
If you are Rank 1-2 they will piss their pants instead.
>>144406146
Try mods, legendary mode, custom battles, multiplayer battles, and multiplayer campaigns I guess.
Otherwise I don't know what to say anon, if you are burned out you are burned out. Happens to the best of us.
>>144406132
>Make walls for some settlements
>AI beelines for closest unwalled settlement
>make walls for all settlements
>AI just sits besieging the city but never actually attacks
It might be smart but it's not much fun to play against.
>>144406146
>65 hours
>all the campaigns
I've got 96 hours and I've only done Empire and Vampire Counts, how the fuck do you play that it takes you so little time
>>144406058
They're fine, they're just down there being peaceful and sending over raiding parties to fuck with the tileans. The bjornlings went ahead and razed some of their sacred clay so I could get my savage orcs. Nothing more I need from them, Azhag is a just and noble ruler.
Franz, on the other hand, is a warmongering, opportunistic piece of shit, and he will eat his own hammer when I'm done conquering the mountains.
>>144406439
Fucking right though mate?
I've only done the VC and Greenskin campaigns and I'm at 82 hours.
Granted I did start a Chaos campaign but I didn't get very far.
I wonder if he was playing the game like Civilization and just auto-resolving EVERYTHING unless he absolutely couldn't like quest battles.
>>144406439
Dont do all battles, auto resolve most of them unless they are really important and the auto resolver gives you shit.
Else pretty much just be super agressive from turn 1 until you got a lot of shit, take 10 turns to build eco, and then just rampage around with 2-3 stacks.
By the time Ever-chosen comes the others will be afraid of your Rank 1 and either ally you or keep out of your way, so you can hold a chokepoint from where he comes.
Hoarding eco/growth and knowing when to tech for some turns makes it easy to swarm with armies later.
>>144406421
The point is to give your armies time to reinforce
I-I don't know how can I make friends in this game , every match that I enter in quick battle noone talk s.
Noone of my friends want to play TW;WH , they are blizzard fanboys and are playing the shit out of Overwatch.
I feel alone in campaing, in multiplayer.
What can I do /twg/?
>>144406539
i auto resolve all meaningless battles where i am super ahead or cannot win.
(unless its sieges, i love sieges, especially with dwarves)
400 FUCKING TURNS
and still more to go
holy FUCK
>>144406741
>all those dwarves you have to kill
have fun you poor bastard
>>144406167
>Marius: party @ my place tonight!
>Marius: byob
>*Warrior Priest Uter likes this*
>>144406741
The Fuck is this sporadic ownership
How to build a VC campaign army? Chaos wrecking my shit.
>>144406847
i gave the empire a peace treaty while i fucked up bretonnia, so they started settling in the empty provinces.
karl franz the absolute madman
SUMON THE ELECTORBOYFRIEND
Go to sleep!
>>144406918
Why did you raze norscan? Just peace out and let them rape your enemies
>>144406690
Well i have lots of friends who play TWW, but we've played so much i'm almost at the point of avoiding them. I agree there is this crazy radio silence in most TWW games. People used to chat a lot more in Attila.
>>144406972
it's 13:49 anon. wake up
>>144406978
i guess i just didn't want them at my back while i fought anyone else.
fighting chaos when you have only 4 units with decent armour penetration in your stack is quite a pain
sneaky stabbin is a life saviour
>>144407059
In all my campaigns they've never betrayed me after peacing out, they're a useful late game tool for harassing your enemies
I kinda wish they had gotten the voice actor that did Karl-Franz for Dark Omen, he had the best fucking voice.
https://youtu.be/ohE9lfQHQzQ?list=PL836ECC49EDACFBED&t=248
>>144404795
How is the Empire even rank 1 in this situation when there is so many independant human realms left.
>need dwarven armies to intercept your army
>took the underway ambusher skill
>never get intercepted
Fuck.
What mods are you cunts using?
>>144407216
I'm pretty sure when I was buds with the dwarves they forced me into a war with the Varg, then I couldn't peace with them due to their power.
>>144407245
He's got clay in bretonnia, and the northern shore is still pretty intact. He has a lot of land, and chaos is being a bitch nigga and going straight for the badlands instead of... oh, idk, his fucking campaign objective FUCK YOU ARCHAON GO KILL FRANZ RREEEEEEE
>>144407082
The Orc troops are just a joke. Although I don't know how your Goblin Wolf Riders managed to get any kills against Chaos, their 16 fucking no armor piercing damage is just awful.
>>144406917
12x Grave Guard (Great weapons for fighting armored people AKA non-marauder chaos)
4x Black Knight (Lance and Barding)
3x Vargheist
engage infantry with grave guard, flank and repeatedly charge with black knights, vargheists on archers, artillery and missile cavalry, also black knights on foot archers to basically instantly fuck their shit up
>>144406690
You can be this nigga's boyfriend
>>144406945
or you can try and find other people in the thread who are down to play with you. Although I would advise waiting until later in the day as it is 5:00am on the West Coast of the U.S. and 8:00am on the East Coast right now so most people aren't up or are getting ready for work.
>>144407229
He sounds more like a statesman, which might have been a better fit. Total War Karl Franz got a great voice for a general/hero though.
>>144407461
Replace the Vargheist with bats, they're cheaper, faster and more effective. Vargheist are absolutely inept, they're Trolls with better Leadership.
>>144407296
After Chaos falls just kill a stack or two, they'll typically want peace
>>144405876
THE
>>144407646
POWER
>>144407609
Hey lads I took a really long break from Total War (last game I played is Shogun 2) and I'd really love to jump into it after finishing up on Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 3.
Should I play all 3 new games (Attilla Rome 2 and Warhammer) or can I skip some of those?
I also dont know shit about Warhammer, is it still okay to play the Warhammer total war game?
>you'll never be the witch hunter who personally killed archaon, sigvald, the Lord of change, and Kholek all by yelling at them
;_;
>>144407082
>Using Arrer Boyz instead of moar Night Gobbo Archers
>No giant spider
>Big Un's instead of Black Orcs
>Using Orcish cav
>Ever
Deserved what you got.
>>144407908
>not using black arrer boyz
>>144406917
Regular:
Vampire Lord or LL x1
Grave Guard x4
Grave Guard (Great Weapons) x2
Skeletal Spearmen x2
Crypt Horrors x2
Fell Bats x2
Vargheists x2
Terrorgheist x1
Varghulf x1
Black Knight x3
Ethereal:
Vampire Lord of LL x1
Grave Guard x4
Grave Guard (Great Weapons) x2
Skeletal Spearmen x3
Fell Bats x2
Vargheists x2
Cairn Wraiths x2
Hexwraiths x3
Black Coach x1
When these two armies dance a danse macabre together it is truly beautiful to behold.
>>144407969
>installing mods designed by petulant children who cry at the first semblance of criticism levied their way.
>>144406945
I want a elector gf.
This blood knight mod is awesome
>>144407549
Bats are probably a lot more [COST EFFICIENT], and they are faster, but they're also weak as shit. You can't really send a bat into a quarreler as well as you can with a vargheist, and if you're sending them after anything that can actually fight back, vargheists don't die immediately. They're not amazing in a fight against actual melee troops, but you shouldn't be using them against those anyway unless it's a flanking attack with the aim to make them route.
>>144408036
That's honestly way too much variation for me to bother with personally. I usually make armies out of 5-6 different units, max. It just makes it easier to keep track of what the fuck you're doing.
>>144407908
>Using Arrer Boyz instead of moar Night Gobbo Archers
>Big Un's instead of Black Orcs
that wasnt really a frontline stack, grimgor had all the black orcs and night gobbos, these guys were hastily raised to fight chaos
>Using Orcish cav
scrub detected desu, boar boys are the only orc unit minus the black orcs that have armour pen, and their mass sends anything they crash into flying
and gobbo wolf riders are the best thing ever to deal with hellcannons since they are so fast and have vanguard deployment
>>144408036
What do you use the Black Coach for? It seems pretty shitty besides riding down archers or something.
>you will never be Karl Franz
>>144407515
Karl-Franz is a badass fighter, but he is primarily known as the greatest statesman the empire has seen. Tabletop his stats are pretty good for an empire unit, but he does not even come close to guys like Archaeon, Malekith the Witch King or Grimgore
>>144408442
You wanna be a dead guy?
On a scale from ROME to ROME 2, how does this fare?
>>144408665
Rome 1.
>>144405435
Need try 17 Moar tanks
>>144408428
Honestly? Mostly thematic reasons, if I was min/maxing on Legendary I'd probably just roll 2 terrorgheists.
It is essentially just a really strong shock cavalry unit that can get stronger if you put a lot of time into it but for the same amount of time/price/effort you can make one beastly terrorgheist.
Its aura bonus is meh at best. Sub it out for a Wight King if you prefer.
>>144408229
>>144407549
>>144407461
Why not just use Terrorgheists?
>>144405435
Fuck the guns,out riders,and mortars
>>144408251
>gobbo wolf riders are the best thing ever to deal with hellcannons since they are so fast and have vanguard deployment
yeah because the AI is very eager to just abandon their artillery when you come in with cav. and boar boys do fuck all, this fluff talk about sending units flying is doing JACK FUCKING SHIT.
you're not killing anything with them.
Is it worth having heroes like Wizards, Witch Hunters, Vampires, Banshees, Captains etc in Armies?
Which ones are viable and which ones should stay off the battlefield?
>>144408793
You are severely overestimating the VC's economic ability if you think they can field 2-3 terrorgheists in place of those bats/vargheists in every single army.
>>144405435
your infantry line is going to be overpowered by absolutely everything, fast.
and outriders do fuckall, you can use the even stronger grenade launcher version and it will kill 10 guns from one volley when shooting into a cluster of enemies, idk what is up with the skirmish cav empire units.
>>144408902
I mean, not in every single army, but if it's your main stack then you probably can afford to use terrorgheists and make sure that artillery will be out of the way for good, then charge from behind.
>>144408859
I generally like to bring one caster if my Lord is melee only, some of their buffs are great and it gives you a use for the magic.
The melee experts actually get REALLY strong, a Chaos Exalted Hero can easily get as many kills as a regular unit and he provides a leadership buff like your lord.
Witch Hunter are OP and make quick work of any enemy lord/agent unit.
>>144408859
I'm using the melee guys for Chaos, if you spec the blue line first (and with some of the additional techs and your Lords blue line) you can recruit max level units in one turn.
Which is very much needed since regeneration is pretty much nonexistant for Chaos, you won't hesitate to just merge or boot heavily wounded units either.
>>144408859
>Wizards
Never 2 in an army, but if your LL or Lord is a melee oriented character, then yea throw one in with him.
>Witch Hunters
Pretty useful until they get nerfed, right now you can basically snipe anyone on the map in a minute or two with them.
>Vampires
Only as Lords, never put the heroes in
>Banshees
Surprisingly trash in battles, much better alternatives like the Wight King. Use her for assassinating enemy agents.
>Captains
Not bad to put with Gelt but I'd prefer a warrior priest/witch hunter combo with Gelt over a captain, just me though.
>Warrior Priests
with gelt, sure
>Wight Kings
surprisingly useful in battle and as agents, all around good hero
>Necromancers
Not worth the slot typically, and they just steal winds away from your lord
The fuck is wrong witih people recommending Ungrim over Thorgrim
>>144408859
I use Wight Kings and Vampires to for batter. I've never had any good luck with Banshees so i just use them for campaign stuff.
However i usually field heroes torole play
Also fuck Mannfred. The normal generals with noses look way better.
>>144408830
Nah son.
Impact Damage is always applied just like Armor Piercing, it's just that most units have enough health to get back up after getting knocked down.
>>144408859
Witch Hunters are amazing for Accuse, which is the Empire's best character sniping skill.
Master Engineers are crucial for dwarf gunlines, buffing accuracy and reload of your ranged units
Runepriests are good for a couple of big armor-buffs to help the frontline hold.
>>144408543
I wanna fuck a 400 year old vampire that looks 16, so yes
>>144408793
>>144408902
Terrorgheists work too. They're just a lot harder to get and more than twice as expensive. But if you can afford them, they're basically* a straight upgrade.
>>144409353
I'm sorry what?
>>144409342
They why are my Boar Boys killing 10 units on a charge and are useless immediately after it?
Yeah okay Mannfred
I mean why wouldn't you want to fight the whole of the human world at once?
>>144409427
>not even joined by schwarzhafen
The Vampire Counts AI seems to be straight up fucking retarded to be perfectly honest
>>144409427
>allying with Marienburger scum
>mfw
I like shoggoths and chaos giants, but they take ages to heal, should i jus oot them if their health is too low and buy a new one
>>144409228
Ungrim is unbreakable, that's enough to make him a top tier Lord
>>144409141
How small are you battles that you only need a Vampire Lord and Wight King, don't you use other heroe's leadership radius to prevent crumbling? Banshee's can hunt enemy heroes pretty well before they get flying mounts and then when she flanks their line the Terror can usually break the lines morale.
I always seem to use a Banshee and a Vampire to hunt lords and a Necromancer and Wight King to hold the flanks. The LL never seems to cover enough area.
>>144409512
Pretty much. Even with their two turn recruiting time you will still be much faster than desperately trying to hold onto a near death unit.
>>144409415
I don't have the unit card at hand but that stat that says "charge bonus"? Yeah, that only applies for 30 seconds after a charge, but you add that bonus to the unit's weapon damage. You want to micro your cav to charge the enemy again and again to get the most out of their bonus.
>>144409493
They're willing to confederate, Nordberg too
Truly Karl is the best diplomat
>>144409475
The stupid thing is that I'm the only one with the alliances so if he declared war on literally anyone else it would just be me supporting them (and I'd probably not bother)
Chaos AI's been the big problem for me though, they turn up and then just run away because my army is stronger on paper
>Karak Eight Peaks is in game
>No Skarsnik leader
pls
>>144409656
Make a shit bait army and then put an ambush army between it and Chaos.
>>144408859
Melee heroes, death wizards, and witch hunters are the only ones worth using
how to start a new horde with chaos, they always get attacked before i have enough pop surp to get chosen?
>>144410103
Fill them up with Chaos Marauders for autoresolving shit tier settlements which you loot over and over for xp.
>>144409958
Better yet, have the shit bait army in Forced March.
>>144408859
There's a bunch that are mini versions of leaders
i.e. Captains are Karl, Vamps are Mannfred
Those should be in any army that doesn't have the leader
Banshees destroy walls and sieges are death as vampires so use them on the map
Witch Hunters are incredible and their role isn't done by any other unit, they can snipe leaders or monsters with ease
Most wizards have good utility spells and you might as well have someone using your magic reserves
The buff characters like the clerics the empire has or runesmiths are too good to not have in your army
SUMMON THE ELECTOR CUNTS
>Varg and Skaeling start raiding me and running away
>I go north and raid them back
haha enjoy your burnt down ports pricks!
I hate this reinforcements bug so god damn much, this was supposed to be an ebin final battle: Kholek, Archaon and Sigvald vs Azhag and Grimgor (+a garrison of 2 orc boyz and 3 gobbos)
but because of the bug it will just be a hectic mess, look where the reinforcements are deploying
>>144408830
>and boar boys do fuck all
I am playing on legendary and I've used both boar boyz and gobbo riders pretty effectively anon, in fact in that battle >>144407082 boar boyz have the second largest number of kills
they are not demigryphs but in the absence of any other cav they are decent units
>>144410624
Fix when
>>144410624
>Spider Cav and a Chariot
Loving these easy campaigns, keep us posted.
>>144410818
its legendary actually you smug cunt
>>144410852
oh...
So you're just bad then?
>>144411015
It's okay anon, no need to bully him for being bad
>>144410818
>he fell for the multiplayer tier lists meme
>>144410818
>muh cost efficiency meems
Are Vampire Count cavalry worthwhile or should I just go infantry?
I heard monsters are shit so I haven't been building any, or should I go for monsters?
Adapting to these new playstyles is strange.
>>144410624
My main gripe is that boar boyz are too fucking slow to be useful as cav. It makes them hard to disengage after a charge and watching them slowly chase down fleeing units is painful. I just use a couple of wolf riders to run down fleeing units quickly,
Because they're slow boar boyz can't deal with enemy cav either and are only really good for charging infantry from the rear and other things in the roster, like trolls or giants, do that job better imo.
>>144411015
nah, you are the bad one if you can only win on legendary by spamming the 1-2 good units a race has
>>144411015
So a guy is managing to use units you think are worthless on legendary and that makes him bad?
It is so sad that units like Irondrakes will NEVER be fixed and useful.
>>144411207
Irondrakes are cool, it's fucking armor that is everywhere and makes 90% of units useless
>>144411108
>>144411168
I don't give a shit about MP, but Chariots are particularly bad in this.
And what is the point of the Spider cav, weak charge, not as fast as Goblin and I don't think they even have armor piercing.
>>144411169
Stop listening to meme posts
Cavalry is good, dogs are your best units early game and black knights are key late
Monsters fill a similar role to cavalry but both are useful since cavalry doesn't cause terror
Also hexwraiths are a bit weird since they have armour's damage reduction without armour so treat them as a unit designed to fight anti-armour units
Am I too late for some rollan?
>>144411169
Black Knights are great. Fear causing shock cav are brutal to non-undead.
>>144411187
THIS THIS THIS. They're just bad but pretty much the only thing Orcs get.
>>144411303
poison... goblin shamans can give them armour piercing too.
Chariots also disrupt infantry ridiculously well, but they're not going to do shit if you just leave them fighting stuff.
>>144411207
Irondrakes are there for if you're fighting vamps
Build some then and have fun
>>144411362
Might play some attila
>>144411269
Against armoured units irondrakes should still have an impact along the lines of slowing down units or lowering leadership.
Getting burned by red hot metal armour has to have some effect, otherwise the irondrakes are just useless.
>all of dorfs top tier units suck dick except for iron breakers
Nice job ca
>>144411303
Spider cav have poison
You move them around the backline hitting everything and you'll have every enemy unit with their hp ticking down
>>144411169
Don't listen to >>144411353 he's memeing you.
Black knights are ok, dogs are absolute shit, bats suck and only serve to hold up ranged units.
Don't ever touch hexwraiths, or any ethereal unit, they're shit. They take 1/4 physical damage yet have 1/4 the health, do the math there.
>>144411303
Spider cavalry is fast and delivers poison and moral shock
Also, chariots might be mediocre but
>Charging chariots into thick infantry lines
>>144411207
The trollhammer irondrakes are dank as fuck though.
>>144411169
>monsters are shit
Monsters MIGHT be somewhat inefficient in multiplayer. For the campaign mode, they're pretty fucking good and also fun. Flying units are basically essential for fucking up artillery, archers, and missile cavalry. Crypt horrors are fucking amazing, especially to charge into enemy flanks. Crypt ghouls aren't as useful as grave guards, but you can still build them if you want, they're just not so great for frontlines. Varghulfs are probably fine too, the only issue with them is that they have shit leadership, but if you're not losing the battle, that probably isn't an issue.
Cavalry is also perfectly fine. The Black Knights with lances are especially good, despite being more expensive you can basically charge right into enemies and fuck them up, especially flanking them, which also adds up with the fear and terror your units do to make them even more likely to start a route. Oh, and if someone tells you that Cairn Wraiths and Hex Wraiths are shit, don't listen to them. They're probably fucking retarded and can't do maths. Someone keeps insisting that they have "75% physical damage reduction but 75% less health", which is just untrue, they have about 2/3 as much health as black knights, and are immune to armor piercing because they don't have armor, they have physical damage reduction. They're also fucking good flanking units. Basically, use everything except skellingtons and grave guards to flank the enemy and hit them from behind. Crypt horrors are also good for the front lines under most circumstances, but not ideal against spears. My advice is to not pay too much attention to what people tell you is shit in this game. Chances are they're wrong, or they're talking about some multiplayer meta bullshit.
>>144411575
Here's this fucking retard who thinks that 2/3 = 1/4. Jesus christ dude, look at the fucking numbers.
>>144411556
It's extra silly because their campaign is designed around getting a huge gold and tech lead and having endgame units early
>>144411573
Poison is a debuff, not a dot
>>144411575
> They take 1/4 physical damage yet have 1/4 the health, do the math there.
But your numbers are wrong
>>144411673
and? it's easily available and quite noticeable in combat
>>144411756
Not really, poisons a bit shit as it only lasts 5sec
What should I do to counter chaos corruption as empire, just build a shrine of sigmar in every province?
Chaos corruption is almost as annoying as the climate changes in attila.
>>144411754
I think he has some sort of personal grudge against spooky ghosts, I can't imagine why else someone would try to spread misinformation like that.
>>144411829
Research tech
Set edict
Use priest
Build shrine
just found this little gem in the files, is it implemented yet?
ELF DLC WHEN?! I WANT TO STOMP POINTY EARS!!
>>144411869
Bretonnian towers
>>144411869
yes, play as Brettonia and upgrade the fortress towers
>>144411860
It's because someone said it on like day 2 and people parrot shit rather than checking for themselves
>>144411869
The Cows?
Yeah that's what they fire if you siege them
Also low level goblins just fire shit
>>144411925
>>144411937
cool, thanks.
>>144411862
Is all of it really necessary like, later on?
>>144411869
Bretonnians use it.
>>144411869
Do you know which file has the legendary lord quest objectives? I want to change every non-battle objective to some trivial shit like embedding a hero in your army or moving any unit to your home province. As they're now they're just tedious or retarded.
>>144412005
A full anti corruption priest has 8 cleanse against corruption, coupled with the local populace having 2 cleanse in most provinces that don't start as corrupted, it's generally enough to stop the spread in any province that isn't getting raped by stacks and agents.
>>144412045
>Not wanting to listen to your LL's pre-battle speech
Non-Grimgor player detected
>>144411656
Oh dear, here we have another one who plays on normal yet rights paragraphs about balance.
>>144411754
Whoops, let me double check.
Cairn wraiths have 3.2k hp, skeletons and grave guards have around 8.2k
But cairn wraiths aren't shielded, and have no armor, which means they die a lot faster.
Hexwraiths have 3.8k health, while black knights (Both variants) have 6.5k.
Normal black knights are shielded, and armored. Lance black knights are armored, both of them take significantly longer to kill than hexwraiths.
>>144411860
>I think he has some sort of personal grudge against spooky ghosts
What, are you retarded? They're literally shit units, that's why a great many people have said so.
Stop memeing.
>>144412045
sorry can't find it
>>144412223
>every non-battle objective
>>144412025
I know they used corpses and shit to wreak havoc on towns, but is it as effective against the attacker? Also general lel for these barbarians 2poor to afford actual artillery ammo
>Start Empire campaign
>Skullsmasherz show up with an 18 strong stack and b-line Grunburg
>have to decide between not dealing with the Secessionists for five turns while the AI marches around my territory or letting the town get sacked and possibly razed, because there's no way the other twelve strong stack can beat this bullshit
The RNG with the Orc hordes in the Empire campaign is some bullshit. Sometimes they show up with 11 units, sometimes with 7, sometimes with 18. And sometimes they actually co-ordinate their attacks with the Savage Orc tribe, who are a whole other load of bullshit.
>>144412320
Well if a high velocity gobble kills a lot, I imagine a high velocity cow will too
>>144411207
Try using one during a siege defense
>>144412484
At least those goobs can steer their banzai. Bretonnians can't even get cow guided missiles working
In my 2nd campaign (the first failed) I went Dwarf with your advice for quarreler spam and it went great, by the time Chaos showed up I had already beaten all the Greenskins and was safe and turtled up
I'm thinking of trying Empire, any good strategies like the Quarreler spam for Dwarfs?
My first campaign was Empire but I didn't expand fast enough (for like 30 turns I was turtling with just one full province) and when the war with Vampires came around, Chaos also started razing everything up north
I'm even thinking of trying out Hard. I was playing Hard in Shogun 2 and it was good, but the game feels much different now and I'm not as good (it's faster, there's less time to respond and needs faster micro I think)
>>144412320
It's literally just a Monty Python reference, I wouldn't think too much into it.
It wouldn't surprise me if when they expand the Bretonnian roster, they have a Grail Reliquae complete with a peasant clapping two halves of a coconut together.
>>144412403
Yeah, if the Skullsmasherz bide their time before showing up and have a 14-18 strong stack, they become a real pain.
The fact that their artillery is actually really good early game is a pain on the attack. When they attack Grunburg I basically hide everyone in the forest, until they get close, then send a suicide squad to fuck up the doom divers asap. If you're attacking, you NEED cav, or you'll lose a 100+ men before even reaching their lines.
And you can't afford to lose so many, because Orc Boyz and Warlords stomp all over early game Empire soldiers 1v1, so you need a numbers/position advantage.
My current strat is sending Karl to take down the Seccessionists, and then building a 10-15 strong army in Grunburg until the Orcs are dealt with.
Puts me pretty severely in the red income for a while, but it's the only safe way to not let anything get sacked, and you can make enough money from diplomacy and objectives that it isn't an issue.
>>144412831
Crossbows, cav, proper infantry line and arti.
Why have i not seen a single warhammer naval fight, there's at least transports, right?
>>144406741
Turn 533 for me. Went from getting double teamed by orcs and chaos and being reduced to owning only Drakenhof and Templehof to this. I finally made "peace" with the orcs so now I'm working on the empire and every settlement I hit takes at least two stacks to actually work. If the orcs declare war on me again during this I'm fucked.
>>144412260
First of all, Grave Guards are front-line units, so they obviously have more health anyway. Secondly, those numbers mean that Cairn Wraiths have 40% as much health as Grave Guards, and Hex Wraiths have 58% as much health as Black Knights. Not 25%. Slight fucking difference. Thirdly, I don't know how much of an effect you think armor has, but the fact is that units with armor piercing ignore the majority of armor. You can't do that with Wraiths, because the 75% damage reduction applies to ALL physical damage. They also are armor piercing themselves. Put them against an armored, armor piercing unit, suddenly they're fighting an unarmored unit that isn't piercing any armor.
Now that doesn't mean that they're instantly amazing units. I'm not saying they're great, I'm not saying they're shit. I'm saying you're literally fucking wrong when you say they have 75% less health. You also seem to be completely dismissing the 75% physical damage reduction they have like it's fucking worthless. What do you think armor does? It's basically the exact same thing except more powerful.
Also, they're not front-line units, so they don't need to be as tanky as a fucking grave guard. But what do I know, you're clearly the expert here, by the way you're speaking. You must have a doctorate in Total Warhammer, right?
>>144412982
Naval is auto resolved, there's unit cards for boats which we might get with the western expansion.
>>144412831
Destroy perfidious Marienburgers at the first opportunity.
Spam greatswords and mortars. Use crossbowmen and halberdiers. Don't use handgunners unless you want to micro-manage the shit out of them. Reiksguard > Empire Knights, there is no reason to use the latter.
Finally, have Witch Hunters in any army that is going to be fighting an enemy legendary lord, spam accuse on him and watch as the entire army routes when he dies from mean words.
>>144413041
>almost 600 turns in
>only accomplished that
Christ you're bad
>>144412982
There's autoresolve fights right now
Ships are in the game files though, looks like it'll be a 3 ship types per faction dealio
>>144412831
>any good strategies
Not in the same way. The Empire has shit early game units. Stack spears and crossbows with some swords for flank charges.
Their greatest advantage is that the AI Empire units are just as shit as yours early game, and it's pretty easy to start a chain a chain rout on them with repeated reiksguards charges.
Campaign tips are to unite Reiksland ASAP. Have all four towns bas soon as you can. Then take either Bastonne's nearest town/Marienburg. Priority is Marienburg, but the AI often just likes to sit on their town with their doomstack, so if that's the case, just take the Bastonne town to kill some town and get more trade resources.
>>144412981
In my Empire game (which failed) my typical army was like 1 General 1 Hero, 2 mortars, 2 cannons, 4 imperial cav guys (before reiksguard I hadn't unlocked these yet), 3 Crossbows and the rest was like 7 Greatswords
I actually replaced all my Swordsmen and Spearmen with Greatswords, but that pushed my upkeep way too high and I think it was a mistake when I fought the vampires which had heroes and monsters, I don't think the Greatswords were that good against them
For my dwarf campaign I had 1 General, 3 Grudge Throwers and then like 8 shielded infantry (Empire didn't have good ones I think) like Longbeards and then 8 Quarrelers. It went good.
>>144411575
Why don't you actually test the units out? You'll find that Hex Wraiths and Cairn Wraiths can beat units that Barded Black Knights and GW Grave Guard can't, you'll find that they're not 75%/75% also.
>>144413128
>Witch Hunters are your only agent that consistently assassinates agents and lords
>it's also the strongest hero you can put in an army
>the only building increasing the recruit cap is the highest level of the temple
Fucking sucks that the hero you arguably need the most at any given time is also the one you will never get to recruit enough of.
>>144412260
>Hexwraiths have 3.8k health, while black knights (Both variants) have 6.5k.
So they have 40% health instead of 25% health
Hell of a fucking lie you're spouting
SUMMON EVERYONE
WE GO TO WAR
>Tilea
>>144412831
1. Fuck rebels
2. Fuck Marienburg
3. Fuck Middleland. Nordland will join the war, but you can sue for peace before their troops reach you
4. Congrats, you basically won the game
>>144412831
Be the greatest statesman the world has ever seen. Diplomatic timing is everything. Except for Marienburg, purge those fuckers and do not stop til every one of them is dead.
>Archaon arrives
>Empire completely united
>Imperial Dwarven hugbox at max strength
>Vampires purged
>Greenskins asking respectfully for permission to cross your lands and fight chaos
Chaos boyz are right 'ard, but grimgor is 'arder
>>144412831
Crossbows and hand gunners are sadly, extremely shit. It acceptable to have a few crossbows early but you want to replace them with mortars ASAP. Mortars are surprising accurate close range so don't be too afraid to shoot in to combat if the enemy is blobing up.
Outriders are amazing ranged troops, reletivly high damage with AP, use them to harass the enemy while they move toward your main army. Shooting the in back to make them panic, this is the easiest way to win combats I find.
>>144413412
How the Fuck do you unite the empire before archaon, he shows by turn 60 on avg for me
>>144413152
I'm sorry I don't play on easy like you. :^)
>>144412938
>everything must be a Monty Python reference: the post
>>144413375
>>144413412
So what's the deal with Marienburg? I ended up attacking them after rebels just because that was the way I decided to go. There was even an achievement for taking them over.
>>144413282
Warrior-Priests are pretty damn useful as well, at higher levels their morale boost will basically keep even state troops fighting to the last man and you can throw them into frontline combat and spam soulfire to shred enemy infantry and buff your's against magical attack at the same time.
I usually have two following Karl Franz, since he's doesn't need the Witch Hunters to eliminate enemy lords and the Priests can keep my main infantry line rock steady while he tears around on Deathclaw fucking things up.
>>144413412
How do the northern tribes not cross the sea to raze your undefended stuff up there?
>>144413460
>Crossbows are extremely shit
>Outriders are great
2/10, made me reply.
>>144412831
Man, I just fucking can't into dwarves even with quarreler spam. As soon as any greenskin army shows up it always goes the same. Stand in hill trying to cover my flanks as much as possible, and shoot like a motherfucker. But then they bring in 3-4 cavalry units that are way faster than any of my infantry and that I can't reliably kill anyway because
>lol no spears or cav
and those quarrelers will be, at best, not shooting, and at worst, fucking dead.
>>144413519
Bro, you're legit shit, nobody takes 600 Fucking turns and doesn't even own most of the empire
I'm so bad at this fucking game. Please help. Playing as the Dwarves
>Vampire lords dicking me from the north
>Orcs call a WAAAAGH from the south
>Chaos just showed up on my Western border
And this is on fucking easy
>These early game orcs in the Empire campaign
FUCK OFF
Holy shit, I march Franz back to stop them taking Grunburg, and they teleport across the rive into Middenheim.
I march Franz back to finish off the secessionists, and they teleport back across the river into Reikland.
I don't even want to fight them. I just want them to fuck off while I unite Reikland and grab some bret and marienburg land.
>>144413584
The only mounted unit orcs have that can more or less reliably kill quarrellers are the boar boys though, and those are slow as shit.
>>144413543
Marienburg is
>Rich as fuck, one of the biggest moneysacks in the game
>Used to be an imperial province but they declared independence
>First city in the way for any norscan fleets seeking to raid Reikland
So, of course, it's the best early objective you can take.
>>144413584
I always set my entire army in defensive stance as soon as the battle starts, so then I can tell quarrelers to aim at a target in range and when it runs away they don't chase after him
So if the AI has cav units, I turn around to face them with two quarrelers on each side, and an infantry unit in front of them, and the Cav just melts away under crossbow fire
Usually my quarrelers at the flank aimed at cav, and the ones in the middle aimed at gobbo archers and they all died very quickly
>>144413412
>Greenskins asking respectfully for permission
Triggurd.
>>144413543
Marienburg aren't technically part of the Empire. They literally bought their freedom from a massively corrupt Emperor a while back, so they could roll in even more money with no Imperial taxes.
They're perhaps the most important port in the Old World, being where trade from the Empire, Brettonia, Ulthuan, Kislev and even some Dwarven Kingdoms show up. As a result, the Empire would quite like them back, but Marienburg literally hires every merc on the Old World to defend themselves whenever the Empire so much as looks at them.
>>144413543
have you listened to the advisor? he tells you "deal with the rebels, secure Reikland and go for those Marienburg shits", and it's a damn good piece of advice
>>144413412
>>144413757
I'm just imagining Grimgor standing in front of the imperial palace in Altdorf, all flustered and shy, timidly asking some captain "C-Can I see Karl now?" and then Karl comes out, tells him he can go play with Chaos and Grimgor runs away all like YAAAAAAAAYYYYY.
Not sure if I like empire, feels like you get too strong with endgame units
>>144413507
Confederations, the only elector counts I fought were Marienburg, and a little scuffle with Nordland but they made peace when the vampires declared war on humanity. Once the vampire wars began, all the counts stopped fighting each other and signed non aggression, and I confederated like a motherfucker.
>>144413543
They are actual rebels from the empire, and right on your doorstep. The others are whatever and will eventually join you, but marienburg is a traitor to his rightful liege and has to have his skull crushed by the hammer of the emperor before your reign has any legitimacy.
>>144413576
They know not to fuck around. I made that very clear to them early on.
Plus, they were busy trying to take Erengrad, which I was letting them do because I wanted that port.
>>144413757
Grimgor wanted a piece of Archaon, and I let him have first pass at him. Funnily enough, he and Thorgrim marched together the entire way like they were buddies.both got the shit beat out of them by Archaon
FUCKING DENUVO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>144413807
Only problem with Marienburg is their tendency to camp in Marienburgh with their doomstack for ages. I normally go to Bretonnia. Taking the first town of Bastonne is easy, and if you crush their forces there, you get to quickly force peace/trade/non-aggression pacts with them that make all the brett kingdoms like you. Gives you a shitload of trade links as well.
>>144413583
>shitty arrows that ping off enemy armour, a waste of a slot you could use for a morter
vs
>high damage, mobile gun line that is too fast to catch
What's the point of leadership skills on lords? They pretty much always rout last anyway.
