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/wfg/ OP pastebin, if its not like this one report it and make a proper one: http://pastebin.com/iAgtMahh
first for frogbutt
First for fucking magnets how do they work
Sortie 3 today perfectly illustrates everything wrong with this game. Not that DE knows, since they don't bother to play
Frost is good for infested.
Ya'll niggas just need tochill.
1st for Oberon-Valkyr interactions.
[spoer]Valk's a slut for Oberon[/spoiler]
>>144009791
No he isn't.
Toxic Ancients and Eximus are suicide anon.
Why don't Frosts put globes at the spawn points for infested?
Reminder to not post your findings here.
Let the mesafags wipe of their tables with Old English wood shiner.
Ignore anyone asking for mag builds or how she works.
Becca has the thickest thighs around
No hotfix yet so thready will stay thready.
>>144010029
PostVolt builds
>>144010029
I dont see what's the big deal about mag, she's just a simple boss slayer.
>>144009581
>mfw I walk into a hallway full of bombarbs
>>144006213
is that what you think I said?
you think reactive armor makes your warframe walk away... thats retarded.
google reactive armor on tanks.
>>144010140which one?
>>144009838
>>144009956
In all seriousness, if I bring a Frost to infested, I'm spamming high/max strength 4.
>>144010270
>reactive tank armor
>armor that reacts to being damaged
>"hey dude I just got hit by a rocket on the left flank and it hurt like fuck,holy shit you suck at this"
>They killed the hostage. This mission is a failure.
please tell me it was just me not going fast enough and not that they removed the hostage teleport
Level 100 sapping ospreys are some bullshit, I tell you what
Nth for even the shill now know DE knows nothing about making gameshe still cucked you all with becca AND megan
>>144010163
>Turn the corner
>5 Heavy Gunners, 3 Bombards, and an Ancient Healer
What rank do you guys have your efficiency mods at?
Shitter who didn't realise there was a cap until it was too late reporting.
>>144010540
your pubshitters didnt reached extract on timehis teleport was removed a few hotfixes ago
>>144010659
It's a shame you can't dismantle mods, even if you only get half the cores back or something.
>>144010727
that's not true, hostage still teleports
>>144010568
Incoming Dragon boss patch
>>143991818
Okay, I think I understand her abilities a bit better now. Surprisingly, I don't think she would be OP or even close to before.
The numbers don't matter too much or at least they could make it so. She shouldn't be able to nuke because of the way the explosions spread. The explosion damage diminishes with distance. If they just make it fall off hard after a certain distance they could allow her percentage shield/armor damage. Keeping the example close to her previous state, if they just made it so that 200% strength would allow her to strip all shields + armor, then she would merely strip all armor/shields and nuke groups of enemies occasionally if they're too crowded. But basically it would just allow her to take all in one go instead of having to cast it several times.
What I think would be FAR better than that is to allow her consecutive recastings without dispersing the former waves of polarize. I already mentioned this in a previous threads when I checked out the CP build. Now after considering the damage part I think this would turn out even better and it would justify the decision to keep the damage flat.
That aside, could anyone who knows a bit more about armor response to this? Or at least check my calculations? I really think Fracturing Crush is odd at the moment.
>>143989134
>>143991207
>>143991592
I've been seeing people use ancient healer specters a lot recently. Does it give you the same buff it gives other enemies?
Are Suda drones worth a shit? Having henchmen cheese sounds fun.
>>144010897
that dude needs to step away from the computer for a bit
>>144010897
Dragon Chroma confirmed now boss.
>>144011053
>Umbra Chroma
>Nightmare raid
>He has ten times the shield, health and armor of the actual frame you get for completing the raid
>>144011053
>I want to save the princess. I want to fall in love. I want to fight the dragon. I want I want I want.
Believe it or not Mogamu, Warframe is not all about you.
>>144010998
>Does it give you the same buff it gives other enemies?
Yes, it's not nearly as noticeable on players though since you don't have 99999999 armor and HP from level scaling.
>>144011321
>only 10x
Does Ember's WoF prevent Nerkros' desecrate from working?
>>144010919
in reality there are THREE layers of armor modifier
the first one is the base armor, a integer number, the second one is mods like armored agility, this is where the enemy armor scaling is as well
the last one is corrosive projection along with armor sortie modifier, it acts upon all previous layer. likely polarize acts on 1st and crush acts on second layer, leaving CP on its 3rd layer. so they are geometrically adding each other
what have i done.
>>144010659
effciency is still affected by full Fleeting + Streamline.
I was testing an Ember build with a fully ranked Fleeting Exp + a Streamline R2 (175% on screen) and the energy costs were higher than the fully ranked mods.
I'm talking about WOF energy consumption.
>>144011387
I think he just wants the game to be genuinely entertaining instead of about grind.
>>144008803
No, but I am desu
>>144009802
CUTE!
>>144011509
Oh, this is interesting! Thank you.How do you even know that?
>new player
>rank up to 1
>try to rank up to 2
>lel wait 24 hours
But I didn't fail anything...Do I still need to wait 24 hours even if I passed?
>tfw getting star map points and it is being wasted
Punch Through on Peacemaker, Y/N?
>>144012861
Yes, you need to wait.
Also I'm not entirely sure the points are wasted, they should contribute to your next level up.
>>144012861
>tfw getting star map points and it is being wasted
That is not the case.
>@DEMONKINGX5 ok-if that is the true result and not just pitch forking we will respond swiftly. We will make some tweaks tomorrow for some.
>May 29
Tomorrow never comes
>>144012861
points carry over
kek
I should play limbo more often
>>144012861
you can only rank up once a day.
your points arent wasted, they continue to stack towards the next rank.
>>144012861
Your points are not being wasted anon. They will be added to your next level once you rank up.
>>144013203
So now with Limbo's.passive and he's getting a rework?
Viable Limbo builds? What's your Limbo build /wfg/?
>>144012861
let me carry u bby
>>144012861
>new player
Leave Warframe and never come back. It's for your own good.
>>144013510
What was his passive? I didn't even notice other than being faster but I think someone had a speed aura.
>>144013653
While rifted, he gets a speed boost, holster boost, and a reload boost.
He's basically Volt that has speed for 1 minute.
>>144013872
What do you guys predict Limbo's rework be like?
>>144014129
They take trash, compact it, throw it on a pedestal and call it art.
Oh, look, it's the guy that made the Visage Skin. I want one but I don't have any more TF2 crap to sell.
>>144014283
Oh hey, I was going to go the route of putting a heart over the chest just like that. Ultimately I decided on framing her boob with my mastery sigil instead.
>>144014218
His passive is pretty good however.
>>144014283
It's the same guy who made the Alata skin for mag.
that guy is a genius.
>Regarding Loki's Invisibility, we've decided that the more you recast it, the more energy it will consume
>But don't fret, since the cool down time will only be 1 minute and the cap of energy consumption will only be 2x
>We've also decided that Disarm will now drain energy
>We also have plans to rework the Redeemer weapon, making it so the firing attack will break invisibility or at the very least, alert enemies
Uh i havent played since a month ago and i have two questions;
Is Trinity dead?
and
Is Mesa usable again?
>>144014747
This guy is fucking rich.
>>144014790
The redeemer part isn't unfair desu. Thing's a fucking shotgun but no sound? lol
>>144014791
Yes
No
>>144013510
I don't think it matters. As long as the team is getting energy.
I see why he is getting a rework though. 1 ability rifts others and another rifts himself.
>Banish
>Press 1 to cast on to allies
>Press and hold 1 to cast on self
>rift surge
>increase dmg dealt to rifted enemies. The more enemies rifted the greater the dmg multiplier
>Void Plane
>Foes that walk over this will exponentially lose health
>allies will exponentially gain health and overrshield.
>Cataclysm
>the same but it will give allies in the main rift bubble increased power strength and power capacity and range.
>anything that walks into the bubble with stack knockdown and confusion stagger regardless of level. They are also opened for finishers.
>>144014790
>We decided to make Limbo's 4 a channeled ability now, The augment will also be reworked to compensate this.
>We saw how helpful and successful Volt's speed coil was so Rift Walk will follow the same principles by leaving rift portals for players to enter. Banish will not work on allies anymore due to community input.
>We believe Limbo's Rift Surge can be changed and are furthur working on what changes are made to be done.
>>144014830
if I was rich I would buy that skin in a heartbeat.
>>144014942
There's such a thing as silencers for shotguns. Having a a non-automatic, what pretty much amounts to ye old blunderbuss just with innate suppress is hardly game breaking.
Loki has Hushed Invisibility anyway. It's just a shitty reason to push a useless fucking augment.
>>144015260
>>144015269
You guys are not allowed to make good ideas.
>>144014747
Alata looks so good but I just can't bring my self to sacrifice the power range from the Arcane. Coil is so fucking ugly but I can't get rid of it.
>>144015260
I tried sacrificing Efficiency because Limbo gets 2 energy rifted + Zenurik 4 energy. He basically gets energy thrown at him.
>>144015274
>Cup of coffee is $3.00
>If I don't buy coffee for 3 days, I could pay for skin
>buy coffee for three days
>buy skin too
best thing about it is hitting Random generally gives you decent looking outfits
>>144016352
>Neck coils
But why?
I'm... not very familiar with modding crap, but is this the route I should go for Jutting Kitty?
(Obviously not ideal, because for instance, I have no fucking BODY COUNT MOD ARGH)
>>144016436
prime body.
>>144016518
>resolution
>3 unanswered friendreqs
>no crushing ruin
>no primed reach
>heavy trauma
>argh
>>144016607
I'm still relatively new to the game. (In that I've only been around two months or so.) Cut me some slack and give some advice instead of "wut"ing me, thanks.
>>144015610
>no fun allowed
can't wait for glorious DE to butcher the simplest warframe in the game.
>>144016827
I'll give you 2 tips, grab bodycount & bloodrush. They're used on about every meleeweapon ever and just incredible overall. On top of that, pure physical mods like heavy trauma are a bad idea.
>>144016996
Is there any way to obtain those two without trading people? I thought Body Count was event-only.
>>144016518
wakarimasen lol
>>144017321
>He bought it
Holy shit.
>>144016607
>primed reach
anon don't do this to him. he's new
>>144017412
Eh?
>>144016436
DE being terrible at integrating anything, including their own model system.
my warframe is str_ng.
So Mesa had a heavy falloff like Ember before her "rework". What's her new falloff?
The frames I've lost, The content i've lost.
Won't stop hurting.
>>144017757
my warframe is stank god damn take a bath
>>144017806
If there's no armor, she can probably last a while. She kills level 135s in the simulacrum easily enough.
>>144017757
>my warframe is strapped into a nerf machine that forces her to continue sucking.
Is Ember still worth getting?
for things like exterminate and infested missions?
or is there someone else who is better at all that stuff
>>144010163
>Hallway full of bombards
>Have Hydroid
>Finally able to use 2nd ability un ironically.
>>144016352
stop shilling this shit.
>>144017214
Both drop from orokin spy now. Do second dream and grind those missions if you don't want to trade.
>>144018583
yeah worth it
Did they change on the amount of extractors you can have now?
>>144019241
" WE DON'T WANT THIS GAME TO FEEL LIKE A GRIND WALL"
>>144019006
>Both drop from orokin spy now
pretty sure body count does not drop from spy
>>144009802
>valkyr pushed oberon down on the ground and tore open his codpiece, revealing his massive gleaming erection
>oberon stroke valkyrs head and allowed her to proceed
>valkyr grabbed his cock in her hands and began to stroke right before placing herself on it
>"how long do you think you'll be able to last this time" questioned the horny valkyr
>"dont worry, I have max duration" stated oberon, as confidently as he ever could bei'm not sorry
>oberon inserted his penis gently into valkyrs wet and aroused vagina while holding valkyr tightly to his chest
>valkyr made various moans and groans as it went deeper and deeper inside of her genitalia, making her very aroused the whole way
>oberon continued to go in and out of her slowly making grunts himself until valkyr got off of his chest, sat straight up and started to go in and out faster and faster violently
>the giant phallus continued to grow, having valkyr let out a couple of warcry's as she continued the mating
>oberon was fully aroused at this point, thrusting his hips up and down to valkyr's thrusts
>the fairy king was getting closer and closer to climaxing but before he could valkyr and stopped and released her self from her position, only to turn around and insert it into her ass instead
>she slid slowly down to the base of his penis, only making it 1/4 of the way before oberon forced her all of the way down in a swift movement
cont?
>>144019368
Correct. They only dropped for Stalker's rejects.
How can we fix Limbo and other warframes?
Post your ideas.
>>144019530
>Stalker's rejects.
*Those pesky Acolytes.
>Nova Prime Systems
>Derelict Survival CJUST
>>144019851
afk with ember
>>144019574
>Hydroid
>Number 1 does end game tier damage
>So does number 4
That's pretty much it.
>>144019521
>cont?
Yes.
>Start Syndicate mission
>A.I spawns away from you, alarming the enemy
>Spend a whole minute getting the assholes to stop running around and tell them to stay put
>By the time you are ready to start the mission, the alarms are already blaring and you've yet to leave the spawning area
>>144019521
>>"dont worry, I have max duration"
>>144016352
I was convinced to eventually get it because i really like it. But the price combined that the Prime's neckcoils fucking ruin it makes me not spend the money.
>>144019851
got it yesterday :^)was looking for muhsaladvi gps coords
>>144021442
Neck rings actually look like they might be a bug... hmm..
>tfw you forget you're meditating over the concourse and go afk for two hours
>>144021442
just add more bling
>>144021972
It's not. Nova Prime's body model is the same as original Nova, except with added geometry on the knees and neck.
>>144022539
nova prime's butt is smaller than normal nova's
>>144022423
>Just add more spices until the soup becomes a tasteless mess
>>144022748
I haven't compared them that extensively yet, but i'm fairly certain they used the original body mesh and just slapped shit on it. Regular Nova is superior anyway, the texture is much more shiny.
Do you still like Trinity?
>>144023312
I never use her. I like Mag though, she's my main lady now.I'm sorry, four Ivaras.
reminder that valkyr can't redcrit in hysteria anymore because naramon got stealthnerfed
>>144019241
What are you talking about? I can still put down the usual amount.
>>143937170
>>144019521
>>144009802
>the head of the penis hit valkyrs rectum, shocking her and causing her to enter hysteria, turning her into an animal
>oberon stood up and motioned valkyr to lift her butt, having valkyr be on all fours
>valkyr was now on all fours, ass in the air with her claws digging into the ground where her head laid
>oberon began to jerk his hips and moved her hips back and forth, having them moans the entire ride
>oberon looked down and admired valkyr's breasts and groped them, lifting her entire body, letting it rest slightly on his big, buff, and manly chest
>oberon lifted valkyr off of his penis and slammed the beast back down, ejaculating deep inside of her ass having his liquidy smite seep slowly out of her
>"how'd that reckoning feel" questioned the smug oberon
>valkyr had no words as s̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶d̶ she held oberon tightly around his neck and kissed him
>"we're in the middle of the relay, i think we should leave" said valkyr
>"let them look and then ban this faggot whos writing this story because some anon told this faggot to write it" said oberon under his breath, clenching his fist tightlysomeone told me to type an oberon x valkyr shitpost and i didnt how to start it off or finish iti'll get better eventually
>>144023583
Good, less Valkyr shitters.
>>144024110Keep up the fine work
>>144023583
If it is not a listed change post that shit on the forums. DE needs to get called the fuck out on everything.
>>144023312
Only good for being an E-slut in teams.She was my most used frame and I just bought a Glaive P.
>>144019851
i did that 2 times today and both times only got keys or other shit
>>144019851
Now you too will know my pain.You can do it anon, don't give upIt took me 20 keys
post a fake vauban prime so I can steal your color scheme.
what was that all about?
>>144025229
Some faggot used to spam that retarded copypasta.
>>144024523
proof, purportedly, was posted last thread:
>>143985830
I'm pretty sure this all started back around this post:
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/139368596/#139463459
which would mean update 18.9.0:
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/639851-update-1890/
which definitely doesn't mention anything about that
I'd go post it in the forums but I fucking hate that place, and as such I'm a 0.00 KDR shitter
>>144025229
did mods delete it? please tell me based mods
>>144019521
>"dont worry, I have max duration"
"I may not have much duration, but my power pool is massive and my balls are like two Orokin death orbs. Buckle in, baby, we're going for 30 waves."
>"That's all?"
"I HAVE TWO KEYS."
>>144025570
kek i should've put that in
>>144012661
i liek maths
it's not the first time I reverse engineer math equations off games. some small testing and even things like your report helps me to figure out what the fuck DE has butchered this time.
>>144025403
>>144025568
it's only been posted 4 times in a span of 1 and a half months. It's never been deleted until now. I think someone didn't like their name mention in it.
>>144024110
I requested it
This is great, nice job.
We've reviewed and made some changes to the following Warframe abilities. Everything is subject to change pending testing, but here are our current plans for Hotfix 18.13.2. Please note we also have a stack of fixes coming, but those are rooted in bug squashing and not principle design so aren't covered here.
Trinity: Blessing: Damage Resistance is no longer calculated based on an Average, but instead a flat value simply capped at 75% (which can be achieved via use of Strength mods). We are working on making the squad UI show who is in range with the Tenno Affinity markers, it might not be ready for 18.13.2.
Valkyr: Hysteria: Each kill reduces her Hysteria Aura by 1 meter, the aura will continue to grow but killing frequently will keep it tight around you so you can control its range.
>>144023312
considering i hadn't made a blessing build and i've always been an EV trinity, yes
blessing's new range sucks though
>>144026120
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/654868-dev-workshop-part-4-hotfix-18132-information-more/
>>144026120
>>144026405
>Hyekka Masters:
>
>For now this is as simple as fixing the Hyekka Master’s Ignis dealing damage through walls.
GET READY FOR GLOBAL IGNIS NERFS
>>144026120
no need to self harm but cap at 75%. this is ~80 level? no it should be less. for survivals this might be nice but still pretty ba-
trinity power str build? what?
valk buff. irrelevant since max power won't be affected.
post link.
>>144026120
>We've heard you're complaints
>and we are going to doFUCKING NOTHING
This reeks of steve saying, "Oh that's how they feel, well they should try being a Game Dev."
wait wait wait, does this mean that now solo trin players can't even hit 99%? is chroma next?
>>144026504
At least they are trying to figure out how to fix the scaling.
>>144026120
Ehh I'm pretty sure Bless is still shit. 75% reduction is simply not enough.
Valkyr isn't really anything. Her nerf before was pretty much completely negligible and they're now giving it a completely negligible buff
The bigger problem are the reworks. Mag is still fucking shit.
Volt's shield needs to have limit cap removed and Discharge needs to have damage limit removed so it can actually function as CC
>>144026504
And I JUST finished building it, too.
>>144026718
granted, but to date I have seen only rhetoric (and repeated, at that) and no actual results or indication that they are seriously considering these things beyond long enough to make a blog post about it (see: multishit nerf, damage 3.0, fatfuck/his claimed spreadsheets, and the resultingFUCKING NOTHING)
>>144026405
>actually trying to look at scaling
>trin buff
>>144026695
yes
yes
Equinox maim build?
>>144027016
>trin buff
It's more like a counter nerf. What I'm really pissed about is the fact that it took this long to address scaling.
>>144026405
>We're balancing n shit trust us it will be fun
>Oh also here, one forma to make up for all the frames and builds we will or have ran to the ground.
>Everybody in the community eats it up like all the hot ass lies they vomit
>>144027016
will not happen
sure hope you are ready for tonkor nullifier grenade launching grineer heavies
>>144027160
max range, max efficiency
power and duration don't matter
>>144027160
>>144026405
>>144026120
>With the power of all your Draco runs
So Draco is a problem.
>>144027198
it's not a buff. it's nothing. mesa 95% dr is sufficient to draw the idea it's fucking nothing.
the only good thing is no need to self harm.
>>144027417
thanks relative
>>144026758
discharge has what? a fucking damage cap?
what the fuck? why?
>>144027160
http://pastebin.com/rSmHFVTG
see frame guide for guidelines
pic related is the best mod-for-mod setup you can get
>>144027198
We'll never have old trin back, but this at least makes her a bit better in raids than she's been the last few days.
>>144027330
Let me have my delusions, it's all that keeps me going.
>>144027735
I am sorry but a nullifucker will dispelled that desilusion and shoot you with his battle rifle that is also a sniper alike any we ever had
>>144027726
>drift mods
Yeah I totally have... drift mods... heh
>>144027693
Discharge turns enemies into Teslas that deal damage to enemies around them.
Once Teslas deal out their total possible damage, the enemy is no longer stunned. This is why enemies break free of stun well before Discharge duration is up.
>>144028040
it's one of those great ideas that DE ruins I see.
I just don't know anymore.
>>144026405
>guise we're totally changing the enemy scaling
>fo sho guise believe us
>ASAP guise
>here, have some enemy fixes which were already done and we were going to release anyway
>here, have some free forma ain't we generous
>buy plat
>>144027726
hey tierfag why was your fleeting expertise maxed again
didn't negative duration affect channeled abilities negatively
>>144026405
>they are actually looking at scaling
it could happen
the game could be good
>>144027960
Ignore/filter that
see >>144009581
>Tierqueer Filter: https://ghostbin.com/paste/by42s
This guy got it right >>144027417
reminder: https://my.mixtape.moe/yvmehz.ogg
>>144028286
Or they remove all challenging content and kill the game for good.
>>144026405
>Please consider getting rid of the levels on enemies
This is a COMMUNITY MODERATOR
>>144028252
Read the wiki.
That's now how the efficiency cap works.
Quit trying to bait.
>>144028286
>the game could be good
ehehehehehahahahahahahahahhahahahhAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
>>144028339
>stalker's opinion on enemy scaling and the recent nerfs
what the fuck is wrong with this shilling
it won't happen
last time they did this it affected fucking nothing and the players that knee math needed to remember DE that the new armor scaling was NOT ONLY STILL geometric BUT ALSO a substantial nerf to the players armor, wich is why all frames gott armor buffs
So Antimatter Drop's (nova 2) multiplier is unaffected by power strength, and only the base damage scales from 200 to 598 with max power strength.
Is there any point in having a specific AMD build then? Since it's not affected by range or duration either. Even the augment seems like its a bit of a waste.
With slow or fast nova, the damage from AMD seems to come from shooting the shit out of it. Correct me if I'm wrong
>>144028469
>legit question rather than scoffing and calling you a faggot
>lol, quit baiting
>read the wiki
i can see why everyone says you're a gigantic dickwad
>>144028339
>mag.ogg
>>144028589
Not anymore after they capped the dmg. also with the augment it could blast through nullify shields.
>>144028669
I'm not part of your little circlejerk. I don't know what you're talking about.
The wiki explains how the efficiency cap works.
That's all.
>>144025904
I tried to make sense of the multiple layers but I'm stuck. I simply arrive at values that are even farther away from what I observe.
I have two problems. First, following your explanation means that the wiki's explanations turned into garbage at some point. According to the wiki, CP reduces the total armor calculated, so base armor * level progression. After that, still according to wiki, Fracturing Crush cuts this result into half, so together with CP, it simply multiplies the "total armor" with 0.35. This cannot be true. It would mean that armor of a level 60 heavy gunner just barely gets removed by two casts and armor of a level 60 bombard shouldn't be deleted by two polarize casts. This is not my observation. Both enemies get their armor removed by a single cast.
Second, following your explanation and disregarding the wiki is hard. I don't know how to make polarize interact at layer 1. What did you mean with that? It cannot reduce base armor. This would be too severe. If I make Fracturing Crush interact at layer 2, I get a slightly reduced armor progression. It's a smaller factor than applied later. It doesn't work out because the final armor value is even higher than what the wiki would suggest.
My originally observed and calculated results aren't too far away from each other. But they indicate that the wiki formula is wrong in ANY case.
To reach my result, I had to apply CP to the total progressed armor and then subtract half of the total progressed(!) armor. Only that put me close enough to be merely 23 armor off from the observed results. But nothing suggested it. I had to make that rule up to come close to my observations.
Please tolerate my ignorance and elaborate a bit more. I'm a bit lost.
>>144029003
>your little circlejerk
come again?
still, i guess this'll do
i just remember tierqueer had an explanation to his maxed fleeting
>Finally have my first syndicate up to... ready to max level.
>The People's Republic of New Loka wants a prime helmet and 500k I don't have.
>>144028576
Ayup, DE will shuffle some multipliers around without changing anything, proclaim that they have "fixed the scaling!" and forumites will slurp it right up, because they're too retarded to do math.
How long until they hotfix mag? This wasnt supposed to happen and you guys have been taking advantage from it
>>144028252
because duration affects channeling efficiency, it's on the wiki
if you have <100% duration, you need to go over 175% efficiency to hit channeling cap
>>144029443
What are you talking about? Mag has been scaled down to where she belongsin the thrash
>>144029140
Go to a channel ability, put in max ranked fleeting and streamlined. Add in a r0 blind rage, check stats. Remove r0 BR, check stats.
>>144026120
>>144026405
You have to post the important part too.
>Long term:
>The bigger picture is the way enemy damage and EHP scales in the higher level content. We are discussing a few options at this time on the way scaling works, but ultimately we will preserve increased difficulty over time that demands a 'be careful and get out or get killed' set of stakes the longer you spend in a mission. The long term of this will demand a greater Dev Workshop as we make decisions on the topic - more to come here.
They don't want us to play post DEAC at any cost. It's meant to be unplayable. The Trinity change totally reflects that.
Expect more nerfs soon. Every known strategy will be squashed sooner or later. You're supposed to be annoyed and buy plat.
>>144029494
aight, thanks
>>144029680
this, it comes down to one simple thing: efficiency is NOT capped, ability cost is capped (at a range from 25% to 175% of base cost) (and not counting shit like RQ or Hysteria, those things modify the base cost and the resultant numbers are then modified by efficiency and duration as appropriate)
>>144029695
Literaly LD50: The game.
>>144018887
lol you still play the game, while we fashionframe
>>144026405
>that guy saying post-nerf trin is the best frame in the game
This is why I don't go on the forums
>>144029617
>in the thrash
>>144029090
assuming FC is not affected by power, wich I am certain it does, the calc almost make sense
FC and CP are on the same final layer. together they are removing 80 or 95% depending on how they are calculated of all armor. the sum would means -0.5+(-0.3)=-0.8
or the 100% of armor is first reduced by 30% and then of the base number has 50% reduced, as in -1.3*-1.5=-1.95%
wich means that FC is def taking power in consideration. if it isn't then there's a bonus somewhere doing the rest of armor strip. there's still the possibility of one debuff affect them twice
it's like this afaik
base* scaling=total
base is affected by that melee mod, the scaling is affected by enemy scaling and on players the steel fiber mods, total is affected by CP and FC wich act in % and polarize wich merely subtract the final number
>we heard you that you were upset with the trinity nerf
>so we nerfed her even harder
what the actual fuck
>>144030626
You can't have 99% DR, goy. We missed the fact that you could still get it solo, so we fixed that. Buy plat.
I mean, it could be worse, guys.
It could be Mag.
"We took away your ability to instakill Corpus by giving you the ability to tickle Grineer and cast a long, just-fuck-my-shit-up-during-the-cast-time ability on multiple targets! And it doesn't explode anymore! Wasn't that FUN?"
Liking Mag is suffering.
>>144030556
I haven't done anything with mag since her rework, but I was convinced that CorrProj acted on base armor values specifically because 3 auras is often enough to completely remove armor from low-base-value units like Butchers at any level
I don't which is worse.
>Mag's 2 year torture sequence from DE
or
>Trinity's 2 year torture sequence from DE
It seems DE is still probing Trinity's ass though..
>>144030021
>>144029680
>>144028469
I remember arguing with shitters who had no idea how duration/efficiency worked in that huge thread derail
good times
>>144030556
also I have not done extensive testing at all, sadly I was yet to discover the % of armor sortie but simply felt unmotivated to do so. mag is interesting but the moment I hear polarize is flat numbers I just ignored it and returned to my other games.
FC kinda makes her a go to for armor sorties. so far I have to test if power does affect FC or not, and if the removal is on the last layer in addition or multiplying cp
>>144030927
at that layer there is regular scaling. it would also NOT explain armor sorties negating CP.
>>144030954
>Every frame I like the appearance of turns into shit gameplay-wise
>>144031089
the armor sorties add 100 ferrite armor universally to all unarmored units, unaffected whatsoever by CorrProj; I have yet to accurately test it on armored units since it hasn't come up and I was too lazy/inaccurate the last time we had an opportunity and I thought of it, but I'm convinced that the "corrosive projection only gives 15%" thing is oversimplifying and just close enough to be believable
>>144029695
DEAC scares the ever living fuck out of me. The issue is they're going to steal the crutch before fixing the broken leg. So ultimately we're going to be left completely helpless on a festering wound with no leg to stand on. In order for them to actually put a stop to scaling they need to cap enemy level not far beyond sortie (like 150 tops) with their proposed rapes for frames.
What's the point of being a space power ranger if all I can do is poke things with a stick.
>>144030984
>>144031440
was that datamined?
I believed armor sorties gives +200% armor on the same layer of cp. so 4 cp would leave behind a 80% bonu to enemy armor, or 80% of their armor left, wich is still huge
So Heavy Caliber on snipers, yay or nay? My friend says that the accuracy loss is barely noticeable.
>>144031732
no, field-tested to surprisingly small margins of error; I can't find where exactly this mechanic would be in terms of datamining, but I'm sure it's somewhere in those big ugly packages
>>144026405
>"DE! We need connection fixes and pls fix graphic and model bugs pls!"
>"N-No de i-i said we needed fixes not nerfs!"
>"D-DE! THIS IS TOO MUCH! PLEA-"
>before you could finish your senetence, DE shoves it's disease ridden infested slimy nerf cock into your mouth, blocking your airway
>DE violently pushes it's nerfs deep into you, forcing you to like every centimeter of it's slimy nerf-ness
>DE cums hard, having it's nerf leak out of your mouth and nose, filling you with it's saltseriously what is de doing help us pls
>DE has banned anyone who went against their logic for 3 years
>Shitters and Mods for 3 years get backed up from DE for white knighting said logic
>DE has shunned anyone Twitter that went against their logic for 3 years
>Third year in, 6th month DE caves in
>We are fixing scaling
LAUGH
OUT
FUCKING
LOUD
>>144031785
>heavy caliber
>sniper
>>144031785
what range are you planning on using them?
beyond 35 meters not only is it noticeable it will actually fuck you up
anything less than that and it is free damage
>>144031868
>>144031440
you are saying 2 different things but since my theory would leave enemies without armor unaffected both are likely correct and unarmored enemies not only gain scaling armor but also cp layer extra armor
>>144032257
That's what I said
>>144032320
I hate using anything past 2.5x/3x so I might try it out.
>>144031785
Without HC, pinpoint accuracy
With only 5 ranks in HC, you get this
>>144032095
DE ain't fixing shit. You should now by now that when DE says "we're fixing X" it means "we're fucking up X, then we're slapping some band-aids on leaving X in even worse state than it was before, then we're completely forgetting about X for years".
Is there a patch that's gonna roll?
>>144032731
>[DE][email protected] WALLOPS :In 15min we'll be doing some super quick maintenance. This shouldn't interupt gameplay!
>[DE][email protected] WALLOPS :This is your 5min warning until server maintenance begins. Again, you shouldn't feel a thing!
don't think so
>>144032508
This whole time I though HC snipers were the worse.
Then I put HC on a bow.
90 degree arrows
>>144032818
>90 Degree
I know you are making a job but if you are not, please make a webm so I can laugh
>>144032818
Heavy Cal on bows turns them into the most inaccurate shit, on par with a drunken Stormtrooper.
>>144032818
>>144032930
try it on any of the fucking blade launching weapons, HC is hardcoded to have absolutely AWFUL values on certain weapon types (ignore the "% accuracy" bullshit the modcard says that's just fluff)
>>144030927
Okay, this is interesting. Are you sure about "any level"? According to the wiki Butcher have a level restriction of 15, so they should be replaced by higher unit versions. At level 15, they have a calculated armor value of 7.5. 3x CP means 90% reduction. Might they lose their relatively low armor due to rounding?
>>144030556
>base is affected by that melee mod, the scaling is affected by enemy scaling and on players the steel fiber mods, total is affected by CP and FC wich act in % and polarize wich merely subtract the final number
I think so too but there' still something left that doesn't allow me to reach close enough values. It's just a bit too high to be an error due to rounding. Also, there's room for "more" armor reduction I cannot observe because I have no indicator for going below 0. So I have an observed error of 23, but it might be a lot more. It would be fascinating to find out that FC takes in strength now. The wiki entry is wrong anyway, so why would it be right at that point specifically?
>>144032964
I have Heavy Calibur on my bow. Not max, but, I still hit enemies fine.
So they nerfed Trinity again?
I just did the assault rifle only excavation sortie with a frost that had a MK1-braton (0).
>>144033050
>Are you sure about "any level"?
well, flameblades and powerfists exhibit the same behavior, and I've seen this up to the low triple digits but can't verify beyond that, though the math works out if you assume that base armor is an integer and anything acting on it results in a rounded integer number before scaling etc
the simulacrum recently had a few QoL improvements (stealth buffs? they never talk about the very few and rare GOOD things they do like this) like saving your last used enemy spawn and instant-on focus, but I REALLY want auras to work and having multi-player simulacrum would be very helpful for things like this (since one person can't test the effects of three corrosive projections, only things like abating link or fracturing crush or seeking shuriken, all of which seem to act on post-scaled armor values)
>>144033336
No, they nerfed you anon.
>>144033336
Made it easier to get a higher DR with power strength mods.
Which means it's time to refuckingforma THAT GOT DAMN FRMAE .REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>144033370
>frost that had a MK1-braton (0)
HOW?
>>144033509
>>144033581
So 99% is impossible now? Nice. Great BUFF.
>>144033696
Probably bought it just for the sortie. Fuck if I know what was going on in his head.
>>144033051
Was just running an Interception, had to shoot shit that was far away and couldn't hit them worth a damn because the arrows decided they were tired of my shit and needed to go on a vacation to a completely different tileset.
>>144026120
>You can't even coordinate a team to self-damage and achieve 99% damage reduction
FUCK ME
>>144033765
Don't be a shitter andplay ivara
I'd base dr is 50, regular bless builds will dr for 63%, you will need 150% power to reach 75%
if it is 40%, the common bless will do mere 50% and you will need ~175% to reach the useless cap of 75%
this slippery slope only gets worse
>>144034891
>Not obtaining red crits on Rakta Cernos
>Not putting your crit higher on Artemis Bow.
>>144034895
DE really does hate their game.
>>144035049If you have a spare critical delay, i'm game, anon.
fun fact, you can now see exactly how much armor an enemy has if your polarize removes the last remainder
>>144033507
>simulacrum
>auras
>multi-player
we need these desperately, as well as an optional interface element that tells you EXACTLY HOW MUCH FUCKING HP/SHD/AR A TARGET HAS holy shit this would clear a lot of things up, having to resort to this shit for AR or CL to get HP/SHD is ridiculous
>>144035219Post a cute picture of our favorite community manager and IGn, and I'll give you one
Also
>point strike in polarity spot instead of HC
do you even efficiency?
>75% off voucher runs out in 18 hours
>>144035262
also need a TTK calculator, timed from when enemy first takes damage to when it dies
>>144026405
>Nullfiers
??
>>144036038
oh fuck this would be so good, I know it would be sleek and probably more complicated than a simple readout but still
https://youtu.be/7Um_R6qzxfE
Post Warframe OTPs
>>144036287
That's what he gets for putting redirection on a loki.
>>144034891
> Not using maxed Heavy Cal
> Not having Heavy Cal in a V slot so you can put another mod on
Who's the shitter, shitter? Paper accuracy doesn't mean shit, take it into the Simulacrum and fire 10 shots at 50 meters, see how far off target those arrows go.
