Poschengband 4.0.2 released: http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showpost.php?p=111187&postcount=195
DCSS Trunk Updates: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-25-may-2016
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Previous thread: >>143396514
Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets play our best today!
>>143617741
There is a sewer with an alligator in it.
>>143617741
that's the one with wide watery hallways full of adders
if you're an idiot and try to otab everything you'll die getting gangbanged by 5 adders while suffering shallow water penalties
if you fight them one at a time it's save though
>>143617840
I've been with oka the whole time, best he gave me is a holy double sword
>>143618183
To piggy back off of this, demon blades are super common in depths. LB is completely reasonable because of this.
>>143618183
holy double sword is pretty good if you're planning on more than 3 runes
grab a shield and go to town
>>143618662
Already done, but i'm a Fo so i wanted more dammit
>>143618427
but it's not the .,~*optimal*~,. choice
>>143619003
Its 1 base damage off of optimal. Its *good enough* to win the game with.
So how many people are going to drop PCB now that its back to grinding 20 more hours just for potions?
You always get a great sword or battle axe in depths
Now lajatangs on the other hand
>>143619454
Did they axe the stairway to heaven or something?
>>143619453
>not playing optimally
>>143619454
The new changes sound fun and !Healing is more common.
>>143619590
You could just do what this guy does. Or swap to TSO and make a Eudemon blade, which IS optimal.
>>143619582
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=f964ff3b7d3a8ab0424fb6715fc22e220f4a187c
Does this change the get dex to 24 level up strat?
>>143621137
It literally tells you the effects in the description.
>>143621137
It just makes getting to 20~ dex more important.
It just keeps getting crazier
>>143622550
>>143621137
Isn't STR the go-to stat for killdudes now?
>>143622763
>nightstalker 3
>powered by death 2
>>143623121
Yes, but it just means it isn't shit like it used to be. You're not actively cultivating strength over dex for better killdudes, because you can almost always achieve adequate killdudes no matter what your strength is. The same cannot be said for EV and dex.
>>143622550
But it says its less important
>>143623268
Oh. Yeah that makes more sense. My bad, anon. Brain fart. So sorry.
So dex to 18 then strength now?
>>143623657
You probably still want like 20-22 dex.
What are the odds of finding the 3 shields on the first floor?
From my conclusive sample of one game, I have to say that my 4.0.2 randarts are pretty bad.
Look at this. Who would use it.
>>143624545
about one in 6 million
First time I get aquirement while doing the MuMo challenge. Wat do?
Should I wait until I identify every ring and amulet in order to get some sweet-ass randarts or should I use it now and get dissapointed in this moment instead of later?
>>143628372
the value of something now is always worth more than the value of something later
plus, you could always be dead later
basic economics
>>143628372
Armour you lug.
Enjoy your+23 CPA {rF+++ rC+ rElec rCorr +10 Str + 10 Dex}
>>143628451
>the value of something now is always worth more than the value of something later
What about real estate? Checkmate, fag.
>>143628525
You sure? At least the ring I could use it...
Then again, I could also end up rolling an amulet, and that would be bad, too.
>>143628648
>buying real estate
good goy
>>143628648
ALWAYS
AQUIRE
'B'RMOUR
>>143628525
>>143628831
Ok, ok. Gave me +2 gloves of archery. At least I can use them, as they don't have slay.
Oh yeah dude.
Acquire a book.
>>143628918
Actually gloves of archery are +5 slay for ranged and thus haram
>>143629332
Well, until I learn the Zoom Punch, I can use them.
>>143629332
Now we're just being pedantic.
>>143629407
It is written in the Qu'ran that *all* slaying is haram and punishable by flaying and burial with a pig, barring your entry into paradise.
DO NOT MINCE THE WORDS OF THE PROPHET WITH YOUR TALMUDIC LEGALISM
>>143629868
Allah himself would've punished me already for using them, as he always does it when I use haram items. And yet, I's still alive.
I only trust the real prophet of Allah and Allah himself.
Does that mean boots of flying are allowed too if you dont evoke them
>>143630348
Everything is forbidden.
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=b0f541b5c61789239b8734728703477942c3866b
ROFL
>>143630348
They are not allowed.
>>143630715
Worst fucking implementation I've ever seen.
>>143630728
I remember seeing 2 people using them, and nobody said a thing until now.
>>143629868
Strength is slaying too when you think about it.
>>143631135
Pretty sure Dicks explicitly commented on =Tele without evoking it and [Flying without evoking it in one of his MuMo streams.
It's not like anyone follows the rules though anyway. Why even ask?
>>143631464
>Why even ask?
To promote meaningless discussion to fill the void in our lives.
>>143631464
=Tele without evoking it still causes the random teleports to trigger though
Boots of flying without flying are just boots
>>143631464
That's the thing. you son't evoke the boots of flying. That's why some people used them.
>>143631638
>>143631676
Everyone agreed on them being banned at the time and thats it
>>143630715
hahahaha what the fuck is this
does that mean no one will ever drown because of Lom Lobon anymore?
What do you guys think of ADOM?
What do you guys think of the recent elemental evoker changes?
>>143633554
What did they change?
What do you guys think of my new dress?
>>143633695
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=bcf4d46266db2e4568872266cc3af0110b55e4fa
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=b57ed4c43e1d46f28d0578144e177cd477dc2a3e
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=022e38c8783484805ad1fb7a05dd468bb9f9694b
>>143633898
Seems alright.
>>143630715
>Removed the possibility of players that don't pay attention dying.
>>143634008
I feel like most drowning deaths were Lom throwing players into water.
PCB is dead!
Long live PCB!
>>143621137
Reduce phial of floods impact damagecommit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot5 hours agoChris CampbellRemove the stone of tremorscommit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot5 hours agoChris CampbellMake the lamp of fire and fan of gales not create elementals
Why
Fun
Bad
>>143634909
So lamp of fire is worse than useless now since it wastes a turn of combat and doesn't do shit. Great.
>Removethe stone of tremors
The memes are coming true holy fuck
>>143634135
Someone post that vampire stabber who died in shoals with full health
>>143630715
L O L
>>143635038
No its better now? You always used lamp of fire for the clouds and phial to fuck up shit with elementals
>>143634909
You always activated fan as a panic button, which is basically what it does now except better. Lamp was always in corridors or areas where you needed to block some area off so you could run. Literally no one used stone. Phial did a lot of damage, and I feel like this isn't the first time its damage has been adjusted. The elementals were meaningless, except if you got a really early evoker.
>>143635475
the elementals stopped liches from casting spells
>>143635475
Elementals stopped lot of casters to do their shit, it was really really helpful, especially against liches, something like butterflies but easier to do
>>143635530
>>143635596
Ok, you have me there. I'd never used them like that, but I tend to always bowl over liches one way or another. Did we really need a 0 skill "get out of lich" free card on lamp, fan AND phial?
Official /rlg/ Ancestor rating
>Broken tier
Hexer
>Okay tier
Fighter
>Walks around doing nothing
Battlemage
>>143635397
>phial doe an summon elementals and hits for less
>it's better now
Retart
Alright, so.
PCB's new randarts are horrendous, so randarts only is completely going to suck and not be viable anymore.
Cloning is not a thing anymore so no easy leveling off caaws and no conga.
I guess the only way to play remains the good old android rune knight. Just go around cities before even entering orc buying pieces of armor, trying to find a rod of clarity and level 32, then selling every piece of body armor you just slapped [stability] on, then gambling bulk scrolls for acquirement and reading them in Olympus.
Or you know.
You could just slog through 35+ like a bunch of primitive apes, exactly like we did before we discovered the conga and 555.
>>143636958
I don't get why this is the "only way to play". Plenty of people have fun without any of the scumming you mentioned.
If you were actually good at the game it probably wouldn't be such a slog.
>>143636958
Try playing without scumming.
>>143637096
Its a slog by design, nothing to do with being good or bad at it
>>143637124
>Try playing without scumming.
People tried and it usually ended with them killing the character out of boredom instead of going for the win
>>143637151
Good opinion.
I will continue to have fun playing games then while you continue to whinge and play games you do not enjoy.
>crawl removes more stuff
>PCB starting to remove shit too
>CoQ is no longer a roguelike
what a shit weekend
>>143637326
whats cock
>>143637563
Caves of Quckoldry
>>143637563
Brother of dicks
Relative of balls
>>143633898
>>143634909
Bahahaha. MPA fucked up and didn't follow the proper procedures for removing an item, so now people who update with a Stone in their inventory will get crashes until the devs bother to fix shit.
>>143638261
I can't even compile it for some reason, although i compiled mpapcb 4.0 just fine
What are some good mumo beginner tips
>Do snake pits for the very first time
>As a conjurer
>Found 2 food shops there
>Snake:4
>Four (4) uniques spawn on my ass on the same floor
>Snake callers blinking snake callers blinking nagas and salamanders blocking way escape ways
>End up eating the 2 shops whole
Jesus, maybe I should have done swamps first.
Is snake the hardest non-slimes vault in lair? I thought it would have been easy since it replaced spider.
Also how do I stop starving as conjurer? I already have 15 spellcasting and gourm, yet I'm always seeking food, but that may have just been because snake has no food?
>>143638365
Can't compile Crawl? What?
If you are having trouble compiling, I can help if you are using a linux environment.
New PosChengband video: https://youtu.be/RxVkQTzTMpg
It might not be available at full quality right away, if so, wait a while and refresh.
It's been a few weeks 'cus of the DCSS tournament.
>>143638649
Shoals > Snake > Spider > Swamp
Snake:4 is just attrition but not really dangerous
>>143638612
I gave you the best tips last time
The best advice is to look at the winning pharaohs' ' morgues
>>143638685
i was thinking of mpa-pcb and stone of lore
whoops
>>143638649
Spider/Swamp = Easy
Snake/Shoals = Hard
>>143638841
Okay, well what are you using to compile it? If you are compiling on linux/cygwin, I can probably help if you post the error(s) you are getting.
If anyone can actually compile mpa-PCB can you post a binary too? Thanks
>>143639041
If you can tell me how to cross compile for windows, I would be happy to!
what is mpa pcb
>>143640265
the exact opposite of crawl:
it's______fun_____
>>143640265
A fork of pcb that gives you full *ID* and other junk.
>>143640615
>Mana storms and summoners summoning summoners are more fun than crawl
Yeah ok.
Quick question /rlg/...
If I created a Legend of Grimrock like game that had a single character, is turn-based, randomly generated and had permadeath, would it be considered a roguelike by this community?
>>143641803Top Down
>>143638890
I'm using Visual C++ 2010 express on Windows.
>1>------ Build started: Project: Poschengband, Configuration: Debug Win32 ------
>1> main-win.c
>1>C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v7.0A\include\winerror.h(128): warning C4005: 'ERROR_SUCCESS' : macro redefinition
>1> c:\users\anon\downloads\pcb\mpa-poschengband-master\src\h-type.h(61) : see previous definition of 'ERROR_SUCCESS'
>1>main-win.c(3451): error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '}'
>========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========
Any PCB players on Linux feel like sharing their startup commands with me?
Curses is cool, but I don't like that there is no dividers between panels. When I start with poschengband -- -n7 the first two term windows are fine and very readable, but every term after that is tiny and has a tiny font.
I haven't been able to find much on this through google.
>>143642238
i guess i didn't actually read the error message last time or assumed the first warning was more important though
because I literally just added the semicolon to that line and it compiled
i'm retarded
>>143642238
Unfortunately I don't know much about VS. Have you tried compiling for release instead?
>>143642402
I recommend running ./configure with --disable-x11 and running the program in your terminal. Gives a better range of fonts too.
I prefer to just play in an 80x28 terminal most of the time though.
Whoops. Missed that bit about no dividers between the panels. Nevermind then. And probably time for bed.
Is there a difference between DCSS through the browser versus client?
>>143642790
But it's noon!
>>143642527
>>143639041
and since I got the thing working I uploaded it for you anon
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00870841245461261589
no sourcecode included so it fits under the filesize limit
>>143643109
browser has an inbuilt chat, client doesnt
Other than that the default GUI settings are different
>>143643109
speed
online record of your achievements
convenience
versatility
community
lots of differences
>>143643274
>speed
the fastest webtiles win is under 40minutes, so speed wont matter unless you want to use a bot to win in a minute
>>143643109
You can shitpost in here for people to come and help you from faulting in browser
>>143643338
Was demise playing on webtiles? Online != Webtiles
>>143643338
a local client has no added network latency, and webtiles is a poorly coded piece of shit adding even more delay
playing tiles locally is way more responsive even if you have a good internet connection
>>143643338
presumably latency matters
if you have 100+ ping you ain't gonna be doing any real-time speedruns
why dont people speedrun with ants and just dig to the orb
>>143643740
because you still have to go back up afterwards and if you're a level 1 ant with the orb you will die the first time it spawns a demon on top of you
Oh cool 4.0.2 has a new and improved point-buy chargen
it tells you if your build will happen (green) and if it won't (red). Neat.
Substituting the .dll from 4.0.1 worked anyway thanks anon.
>>143643860
>android rune knight
>>143643932
>>143643860
it's an unholy abomination of point buy and autoroller
you point-buy the minimum stats which the autoroller will then roll for
>>143644009
>not rolling real lifeover and over until you have the combo you want
>>143644052
>tfw you get perfect stats but strength is only 18/99
real life 2 op
Oh no I didn't add easy id
I gotta reroll for another half an hour
>555 is gone
Why you do this Chris whyyyy
>>143619590
>Did they axe the stairway to heaven or something?
Yeah, Chris put in a change where if I'm interpreting it right limits wilderness tiles to level 60 tops.
>>143625050
If I was playing a ninja I probably would.
>you see here a filthy rag (awful)
>>143644846
do ninjas even care about +stealth
I thought they were already practically undetectable
>>143645030
I've never fully understood how that shit worked. There have been times where it seems like a high level monster/unique knows where I am with my stealth at Legendary[20] and the superstealth bonus enabled, so I take the tact of more stealth always being better.
I had completely forgotten about the mid-point of selling [light] branded stacks of 99 lanterns.
The best thing is that the towns never really run off of lanters and sometimes sell them in stacks of 80+.
And here we hit the breaking point
Now it's better to enchant robes and other cheap body armor with [earth] and sell it again
I gotta reach level 32 so I can get stability, and slap it on this one though.
Or I could actually start playing the game, I haven't even touched stronghold yet.
>>143638612
Ignore half the rules and get the challenge's creator to call you names in the poster desu.
>>143618216
Sounds like a window focus issue. I use greenshot, it's really nice since it auto-saves and lets you crop right as you take the SS. Try alt+prtscr if you haven't yet, though.
>>143646393ShareX > Greenshot
>>143646948Two ways to cut a cake still gets you fed no matter what
>>143647159I'd rather use a use a steel knife than a plastic one
>>143647328I'd rather use a proper cake-serverI honestly have no strong opinions on the matter
What are some basic things for turn speed running crawl
>>143647938
Don't rest, and if you do, ID shit or something while you do it.
>>143647938
ever since ring of tele got fucked it's dead
I finally won NetHack!
Playing a wizard and having magic mapping in Gehennom was what made me win, every other character I've had that got there I quit out of boredom.
Maybe I'll try for an Angband or Infra Arcana win next.
Incursion reasons : get two errors at once after restoring crashed game
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup is arguably a better game than Nethack in almost every way, and it's actively developed. Crawl is better balanced, meaning that when you die it's often due to your own misstep, rather than arbitrary luck. The UI takes care of a lot of the grunt-work of crawling through the dungeon, so you can spend more time on the aspects of the game that are actually fun. And it's got more to do than Nethack does, featuring a variety of branches and interesting areas rather than the monotony of the same kinds of levels over and over.
Before Crawl, I never thought I could feel absolute terror while playing a roguelike. You'll see what I mean the first time you're frantically trying to find a portal out of the Abyss with a veritable armada of demons closing in on you.
More info: http://crawl-ref.sourceforge.net/
The one thing that Nethack does "better" is that it's got dozens and dozens of ways to die. In Crawl, when you die, it's usually due to hit point loss.
>>143647938
Play DDFi of makhleb
>>143648926
congratulations!
Couldn't rest to get mana and fatigue for buffs(thanks errors!) so had to retire while having 20+ saves and 50 DC, fuuuuuck incursion.
>>143648926
Well done, mate.
>CeHu
>Skill aps shit except for fighting, bows, crossbows, invocations
The fuck am I supposed to do?
>>143648926
>Nh4
lmao dragonscalemails
What a duo.
>>143650610
holy shit tavern people are dumb
>>143651985
>0.18
uhh you know that throwing daggers doesn't do shit now right?
>>143653821
>playing anything after 0.13
Quest reward for orc camp was changed.
Into a really shitty one.
>>143653821It's a jojo reference
>>143654045
>Playing Crawl after 2006
>>143654168
za warudo xDDD
Why do people think roguelikes should be needlessly complicated and filled with dumb shit when rogue itself was completely barebones
>>143654119
Yep.Not that you deserve anything better.
>>143655167
>applies rune of destruction to diamond edge
>dimension doors behind you
Say that to my face and not online motherfucker, see what happens
>>143654305
>playing video games after 1999
>>143656683
>redirecting shitposters to other boards after 2004
Man the cash is slow on the uptake right now
I can't find any good artifacts at the black market so I'm stuck at level 27
A huge thanks to the dude who compiled and uploaded the mpa-pcb!
>>143657731
who
who did that
where
>>143658162
I was browsing the thread and I saw >>143643246
and was relieved to find it was the real thing instead of dolphin porn.
Oh cool found it
>4.0.1
I guess you can't really look at a gift horse in the mouth
>>143658284
Campbell would have to merge all the changes from the newest master release to his branch first, which I doubt will happen instantly. Hell, 4.0.2 has barely been out for a day.
>>143658362
But everyone will call me a shitter for using a version with 555 and cloning
>>143658418
I'm still doing it.
This convenience to the ID-game is too good.
I didn't truly realize how awful it is in the base game until now.
>>143658418
Well thats the point of mpa in the first place
>>143658418
Well why else do you want to use mpa PCB?
>>143658920
free *id*
>>143658949
That's just as casual, if not more so. Hell, even DCSS still does regular ID for weapons, armor, pots, and scrolls. I think jewelry has to be initially scroll or wear ID'd as well, though DCSS doesn't have quite as much variety in rings and amulets as PCB.
>you open your can of whoop-ass (fresh)
>>143659091
DCSS tells you the brand of weapons right away, which would be the only dangerous item to use ID if they happened to be distortion
>>143659531
That's only for enemies wielding them I thought, floor drops still just show up as glowing or whatever. easy_id in 4.0.2 almost accomplishes that same thing, with instant pseudo-ID on pickup and regular ID acting as *ID*.
>day 15
>I still haven't gotten over level 27
I can't just
add a fucking earth rune to all these stupid robes forever
This is extremely suboptimal
I can't even kill the camelot knights because I have a really shitty weapon
WHAT DID HE DO TO THE BLACK MARKET
WHAT DID YOU DO CHRIS
WHAT DID YOU DOOOO
>start as fofi after playing trmo for several dozen games in a row for a change
>stack of six ruk on first floor
>embroidered robe on first floor
>>143659091
Then I'll be a fucking casual.
In my opinion it should be either NetHack-ID where it's actually a minigame by itself or nothing since the one in many RPGs is just useless and becomes really tiresome after playing for literally hundreds of hours.
>>143659902
You can set the auto-destroyer to automatically ID things of a certain type for you, if you have scrolls/staffs/rods of ID in your inventory, and that's still not enough?
>>143660151
I mostly mean the first 20 levels when it takes 2000 turns for the item to pseudo-ID to enchanted/cursed etc.
Especially if you don't luck out and none of the shops sell staves of identify.
>>143660306
So you haven't even tried the easy_id setting yet then. Besides, even in MPA you don't get loremaster until level 25.
THIS IS SO SUBOPTIMAL
REEEEEE
Alright this is a little better.
Turns out spending two million $$$ at the gamble shop for a couple *acquirement* occasionally gives good shit.
Yeah now we're talking.
Awww yiss
But I think I can't really stomach the endgame without 555 and cloning
These were fun hours
I must ascend now
>>143662819
Always small levels actually works in orc caves in mpa-PCB!
Thank you jesus.
>>143663550
My fucking sides
Is Cogmind still shit? What about ToME? Elona?
>>143665875
Shillmind and SToME suck.
Elona+ is a game for people with actually good taste and deprived anime tittie fantasies.
>>143665875
Elona is the only grinding game I've ever played where I actually had fun
>>143665763
>Always small levels actually works in orc caves in mpa-PCB!
oh wow. That's super neat.
That's one hell of an arrow.
>you will never find one on a ninja
>>143665980
anime titties? why does do people not talk about it more
My gardening is like level 16 in Elona. Is this sufficient or do I have a long way to go? I also have no idea what else to do.
>>143668569
It has its own thread on /jp/.
It's actually a good thread too in my opinion though very slow of course.
Also inferno is pretty bullshit unless you're a horse.
What a cunt.
I think I should start playing MuMo again.
>>143669689
gib mumo tips
>>143670797git gud
>>143670797
Take it easy.
X and e everything you think is hard.
If you aren't sure if it's hard, it's hard.
Pillare dance as much as you want when you meet normal speed enemies, since you have no food clock.
>>143670797
Everything can kill you and will do so very violently.
So what exactly are you allowed to throw
how do I unfuck my resolution in C:DDA?
>>143672154
if you have to ask, it isn't funny
tfw you dont even recognize the mumo runes just from the pictures
>>143672035
>tfw I haven't even found the Lair entrance
>>143673815
>D8 tengu warrior
the joys of trunkmumo
The shit
This isn't even Lair 8.
>>143673629
Me too. I only play in console
>>143673815
>>143673909
This shit just keeps getting even more ridiculous.
>>143674809
Have you tried playing .15
watchername so I can spectate you in case you do something dumb
>>143674942
I think I'm the only MuMo on CAO right now, so it's gonna be easy to find me.
>>143674809
and people say NuRandarts make it too easy
I think one of these is a bit more important than the other.
>>143675514
Kek
>tfw found the Obsidian Axe
Fuck, I'm going to splat so hard if I use it but I just want to try and see how it goes
This floor already has an ancient lich I haven't bothered to kill, please take these suicidal thoughts out of my mind
>>143675792
>You cannot move away from the oklob plant!
>>143658284
This picture never ceases to get my dick hard
>>143675792
Worse effects than worshiping Chei, but without the benefits of doing so.
Also it's a goddamn broad axe.
>>143676029
Gothmog, captain of the cuties, has a nice pair ofhorns
>>143674690Sauce?
>>143676487http://tra-ybbon.tumblr.com/post/145025374000/yiff-guy-commission-for-neonknightlight
>>143676326
>Also it's a goddamn broad axe.
The best fucking broad axe you will ever find
Mmkay, what are the rules of the MuMo challenge?
>>143676571
That doesn't make it not a broad axe, though.
>>143676487
>>143674690
>>143676552
Who the fuck names their account "yiff guy"?
>>143676632
>the best 1handed axe in the game
>BUT ITS STILL BAD
fuck off
>>143676820
There's a guy called "the entire furry fandom", search me.
>>143676610
Drop the robe, criminal scum
>MULTITRAINING
>ON A MUMO
>>143676942
Can I use scrolls or shields?
>>143676865
I'm not going axes to 1H, man.
>>143676942
Wait, I can't play 0.18?
>>143677123
Yes to both. No bucklers was the most recently added rule, but the latest mumo used one anyway.
>>143677206
You can, if you have more fun on that version. Look at the pharaoh list below, there are two wins on non-0.15 versions
>>143677296
And armour pieces except body are cool?
>>143677734
Yes. Just no slay
>>143677734
ye except gloves of archery and boots of flying/running and all artefacts that break the rules
Dont forget that the shield of resistance is banned too
>>143678224
>except gloves of archery and boots of flying
Not really.
>>143678363
Not really.
and random tele items even though you're not evoking it, and even though nu-tele takes you to enemies
>>143678558
boots of flying are straight up haram
>>143678647
No.
>>143678647
They are forbidden
>>143678591
nutele cant even be evoked anymore
