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Thread for the discussion of visual novels originally created in English, other than those belonging to /ksg/.
Do you have a question about a Japanese visual novel or a translation of it?
/vn/ is ready to answer it. We are not them.
>Developer Resources, Getting Started:
http://pastebin.com/7LsCvtq3
>Recommended Reading:
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=olang-en.tagspoil-0;o=d;s=rating
http://pastebin.com/zGVSpH0B
>For Developers. Huge collection of guides on everything:
http://meganelover.com/post/122965940223/visual-novel-creation-masterlist
>Ren'Py Download:
http://www.renpy.org/
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>>143450590
nice crosslinking
Is Sword of Asumi the best thing AJ Tilley produced?
>>143451243
No, Beach Bounce Remastered is, but only until Summer Fling gets released. I also really loved Divine Slice of Life and My Highschool Cross Dressing Romance. Echo Tokyo Intro is sure to be great too after all of AJ's promised updates.
>>143452485
Surely there must be a high point and a low point
>>143450590
That GUI is making my eyes bleed
>>143453301
When you read AJ Tilley's titles, you're always reaching a new low point.
Dreams do come true, get 4 Sakura games for $4, plus other titles no one wants.
https://www.indiegala.com/animeangels
Have there actually been any good bundles lately?
>>143453902
There's 2 ropes in the pic. For both of your eyes, so you can hang them.
EVN eroge is here with Seeds of Chaos!
http://seeds-of-chaos.com/about/
>>143455219
>no nipples
How am I gonna suck on them?
>>143455330
Adult Content
As Seeds of Chaos is an eroge, it will include a large amount of sexual content. Since sexuality is both a complex and disparate area, the decision was made to make the game one of general appeal in an attempt to encompass many kinks and parings. All of the following are planned for inclusion, with an option to filter out any scenes and/or events the player is not interested in seeing.
Pairings – Male / Female, Male / Male, Female / Female, Male / Futa, Female / Futa
Central kinks – Corruption, demon sex, & monster / monstergirl sex
Other kinks – BDSM, slave training, moral degeneration, furries, fembois / traps, nuns, exhibitionism, pregnancy / breeding, lactation, mindbreak, humiliation, prostitution, public use, addiction, transformation, bimboization, piercings / tattoos, squirting, bukkake, netorare / netori, & incest
With music from Leet Music, which you may be familiar with from Winter Wolves games.
>>143455540
>With music from Leet Music
i was on board until then. you are now hearing that song from roommates bgm on loop.
>>143455945
You can mute it, or maybe they'll have something good planned for a fantasy setting.
>>143455219
Rate this title screen.
>>143455330
I thought her pink necklace was one nipple stuck in her cleavage
>>143456335
>>143455219
>No nippelz
>Blurry buttons
>Retarded lines at top and bottom
>Logo - Words with Pink Outline on a Pink roots with Pink Outline on a Pink background
HOLY SHIT
>>143455540
>With music from Leet Music, which you may be familiar with from Winter Wolves games.
Oh my God, why?
>>143457621
They want so sound professional, so why not use a professional musician?
> inspired by the worldbuilding of Berserk, Dark Souls, The Witcher and other epic fantasy series’, as well as the adult games Corruption of Champions, Legend of Queen Opala, and Slavemaker.
>Visual novel style scenes with complex, multi-branched dialogue trees inspired by Black Isle / Obsidian, Bioware, and the Witcher games that affect later meetings and events.
>Industry professional grade sound effects, mostly from BOOM Library.
>>143458202
>They want so sound professional, so why not use a professional musician?
Hence why I repeat: oh my God, why?
>>143458202
He is a professional musician. You can be professional and still terrible.
>>143458202
What are those effects, moans and shit? Why mention something so minor?
>>143458202
Professional means he will charge more.
>>143458795
>What are those effects, moans and shit? Why mention something so minor?
They fell for the "pro SFX library" meme. BOOM is not industry standard, they just market themselves as such. Wouldn't surprise me if they torrented that.
The poor mic placement renders most of the SFX from there nearly useless even for layering. What good is having high quality recordings when it's a HQ recording of a really bad take?
What would you consider good, or at least decent evn music or musicians?
>>143460452
Darude
>>143460452
The guy who did the music for Analogue did a very decent job.
>>143461947
There was music in Analogue?
>>143460452
DL site stock music
>>143460452
the guy who did most of the music for Toko
>>143460452
Does anyone actually listen to the music?
>>143460452
Even thinking about EVN music after playing Fata Morgana is pretty laughable
>>143468069
yeah, japanese musicians make bank. I contacted some jvn music guy and he wanted $700 per minute.
>>143468363
Professional musicians anywhere have pretty high per-minute rates but few people bother trying to hire them
>>143468363
Then go with 1 minute of brilliance instead of 100 minutes of shit.
>>143466104
Ryunocore
>>143469045
Yeah, that's the one.
It looks like Toko's narrator is being voiced based on a clip on Tao's Twitter.
>>143468974
Nobody is going to play even a two-hour tiny titty EVN with a single minute's music on loop
>>143468363
Remember that he's overcharging you for being a stupid, gullible gaijin. 250-500 a minute is still ridiculous but much more in line.
>>143469757
Whenever I get contacted by someone I don't want to work with, I just quote them triple my usual rate. Either I make a nice wad of cash, or I scare away a client I didn't really want in the first place
>>143469691
Nobody wants to listen to a piano being thrown down a flight of stairs for 20 minutes either, and yet, most shitty VNs still come with a soundtrack.
>>143470050
Exactly. Never trust initial rates. You have to fight them tooth and nail to earn their trust. This also gets you actual quality, since if you paid the asking cost they'll take you for a gullible fool who will be happy with anything.
>>143470174
A lot of people compliment stock soundtracks.
>>143460452
Decades old recordings of public domain classical music.
>>143460452
chris remo (firewatch, gone home)
>>143471321
> firewatch
> gone home
> evns
??
>>143460452
If you get ZUN to make your music I'll kiss your ass.
>>143472297
Does ZUN do collabs with anybody? I thought he was an all-skilled god that was too busy making everything himself for his own games.
>>143472463
I doubt he does, that's why I said that. I don't know for sure though.
I'm trying to figure out which elective classes to include in a high-school sim. Any suggestions?
The player will have the option to select four from a pool at the start of the game.
I've created some polls from the course catalog of my alma mater. I doubt I'm going to write stories for more than ten electives.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10317295
http://www.strawpoll.me/10317297
http://www.strawpoll.me/10317300
>>143473161
>Pathophysiology and Medical Microbiology
Most of these sound like college courses, friend. This one in particular is like a 5000 level or graduate class.
Go with shop class (cabinetmaking) or graphic design/video game design if you want to get meta.
>>143473735
What do you mean, you didn't have naval science as an elective in high school?
Is stock music usually $100 per track, or am I looking in the wrong place?
>>143473892
Yeah, you are right. I had a rocket science elective and a neurosurgery insternship in middle school.
>>143473892
>Wildlife Fisheries and Ecology Management
>Law Enforcement I
>>143474316
You can find music packs much cheaper but if you buy individual tracks, that's not too unusual
>>143460452
Ryunocore, 'cause he's quite good and he's pretty great to work with.
He also understands salame, that's good.
>>143475265
What are his rates?
>>143475004
Thanks, I'll look for that.
>>143473735
Back when I was in high school, most of those classes were considered blow-off classes. They weren't college-level in the slightest. They were more like half-done, barely-introductory-level classes that the school district set up for the sake of looking good to outsiders.
>>143475482
$100/minute last I checked
>>143476554
I'd read a satire on the mandatory education system and how worthless and wasteful it is. You'd have to mock high schooler culture as well though, making the dating sim aspect very disingenuous. It could be a masterpiece.
>>143477792
I plan on making the dating-sim part of the game somewhat genuine, but the classes will mostly be jokes. I happened to also take aquatic science as an elective. The class would go to a nearby pond, fish whatever was living in it out, bring its catches back, and either overfeed, or forget to feed them. At least a few fish and one turtle died each semester. I always thought it was hilarious.
>>143478761
Does this project have a name?I want to help write this.
>>143476554
The idea of a high school offering such weird courses is completely outside my experience, but I went to a small school, so there simply wasn't room for much in the way of electives. We barely managed to get them to let us have a drama class one year.
>>143479084
I'm calling it Crush for now. I started it a few days ago. The story and gameplay are probably nothing like what you're expecting, but here's a link to the blog I'm using. I didn't feel like designing a new blog myself, so I copped one off of a friend.
https://keihakucorner.blogspot.com/
>>143479839
Oh, it's a chuuni Persona ripoff. Nevermind.
>>143479839
This sounds pretty fun.
>>143480257
It's actually that, and an Angel Beats! ripoff.
>>143480871
Angel Beats a shit.
moo~
You are going to make it.
CAN'TWAKEUP.JPG
>>143491640
no, give up, it's useless
CLoves vns are SJW pandering garbage, discuss.
>>143492927
what's there to discuss? it's true.
>>143492927
Why do you expect from a lesbian tranny?
>>143492927
As long as the SJWs being pandered to are whores that like BDSM, is this bad?
>>143493938
do you like your bdsm yuri with speeches about "true lesbians" ?
>>143494598
>true lesbians
Do tell
>>143494598
The next one's that awful?
>>143492927
This isn't a joke. As a racist and homophobic white guy who grew up on the red pills of /pol/, one of my fears is that my game, which features diversity as part of the story, will be seen as leftist propaganda or some female/LGBT "empowerment" shit.
>>143494598
Depends on how long the speech is. Surely you've played VNs with stupid digressions into shit you don't care about. I can handle a brief conversation about gold stars.
>>143495389
> long
the whole game. Practically everything she shares about the game has some "lesson" about sexuality.
>>143495381
Solution: Stop making your game, burn all the files, and martyr yourself somewhere dramatic, like at a pro-Obama fundraiser or something.
Destroying all the files first is important because the last thing you want is for them to look into your personal life, find your unfinished work, and conclude that you did it because you were a tragic, tortured soul who was too afraid to express your true progressive leanings.
>>143495551
to the best of my knowledge it was literally one optional dialog branch (if you kissed a boy) that everyone was getting their panties in a bunch over.
most of what she shares about the game is 'LOL LOOK HOW HOT THIS IS I AM SO AWESOME' which is annoying in a totally diffferent way
>>143494712
Character goes into a rant about lesbians who sleep with men still being lesbians.
>>143495381
What game?
>>143495551
>"She"
Don't fall for that meme.
>>143495701
there's also the no homo bit with the athlete.
>>143494712
If you as the player choose to kiss a boy the character goes into a rant about how kissing a boy doesn't make you stop being a lesbian, and expecting people to live up to a 'gold star' standard is stupid. as far as I know. which may not be wrong but is a random derail.
>>143495985
That's actually pretty reasonable, minus the bad writing of a political rant breaking up the action.
>>143495983
I have no idea what that's about, I may not be paying enough attention. I kind of tune most of those posts out
>>143496102
idk, to me it sounded like she thinks bisexuals are imaginary creatures.
>>143496410
It's a complicated mess because there's the whole lesbian-as-identity issue (and some of those girls are crazy), and then there's the lesbian-as-purity issue which is messed up in another way.
For the most part trying to tell someone else what they should label themselves is a lost cause, even if you think 'straightish' isn't precise enough.
>>143495878
Still in development.
Demo will be out in a few months, I guess.
>>143496859
Just put asians in when diversity is required. Most people on pol love their waifus.
>>143495381
>diversity as part of the story
In what way?
>>143497854
maybe it's a "last humans on earth have to enroll in a breeding program with different races" deal or something
starring a /pol/ack who has to overcome his hatred of blacks/hispanics/arabs/etc with a Jew-chan as a secret true route
>>143498664
Now this is degeneracy!
>>143498664
Reminds me of UAB.
>>143495381
I can't even fathom what brings a person to label their own beliefs with anti-thought buzzwords. If you're afraid of people misinterpreting your work to champion causes you don't believe in or actively dislike, stop writing immediately, because that happens to any story worth a damn, which I hope you aspire to create. The most you can do is present the issues as causing the problems you believe they do. As long as you have a modicum of nuance to your worldview, you should be able to portray these topics without it reading like an alt-right manifesto, and the far left will still tear you apart.
>>143500843
Any argument contains its own opposite.
Even if you argue vociferously in favor of something, someone will accuse you of being clearly against that thing and trying to make its advocates look bad.
>>143501583
You can't live in fear of that. Like I said, if it's paralyzing to think of someone taking your story the wrong way, stop writing.
Or you could use a pen name, so your writing is partially anonymous.
You can't make the reader think something they don't already subconsciously believe, and there's a lot of people out there that disagree with you. Don't let them stomp on your work before it's even finished, because then nobody will hear what you have to say.
>>143499226
Maybe that's the trick. Making something so over the top that criticizing it makes you appear as a dummy who "didn't get it".
it's not time yet
>>143507183
It's time.
>>143510032
*BONG*
*BONG*
*BONG*
*BONG*
TIME IS UP.
HAVE YOU SOLVED OUR QUESTION?
>>143510278
the answer isdicks
>>143510278
The answer is "In a museum"Cookies for anyone who knows what the QUESTION was.
>>143510707
Where can you learn what it is to remember, and remember what it is to forget what you have learned?
>>143510707
Places where your mom belongs in?
>>143510707
What is the only place you can touch a pre-historical tiddy without time travel being involved?
>>143512428
My freezer, for a fee
>>143512428
This is, in a way, closest.
>>143514874
Hump a mummy?
>>143515105
The actual 'riddle' isWhere does today meet yesterday?
>>143516456
Midnight
Time for another retarded riddle.
Long or short, can soothe and hurt, we all have it but not everyone can keep it?
>>143519994
Fact: dingdongs fall off at birth for fifty percent of the population
Should 'otome' filter to 'autism' in /evn/?
>>143520431
how horrifying
>>143521703
Okay. I'll take the bait... why?
>>143521776
Why not?
I can't do it. The frustration.
>>143519994
An erection
>>143520431
>>143523068
I'm glad I'm not the only one to think of penises, but it's from a kids book and the answer ismemory
>>143523561
I thought the answer was going to be "life" or "love".
>>143525283
yeah it's a vague kind of bullshit riddle, but it was the first that came to mind
It's my birthday today :)
>>143528098
Happy birthday anon. I'll pray to Shub-Niggurath so it'll let you live one more year.
>>143528098
happy crawl out of your mom day, I hope you get what I always wanted, to just die in your sleep already
Gently off the edge
for the LAST FUCKING TIME
ugh... why do i even keep coming back?
>>143532194
We all say that. And still we end up saying some lame penis joke to prevent the thread from edging too much and getting blue balls.
Is anyone currently working on an "old school" bishoujo game in the vein of Katawa Shoujo or classic Key works like Little Busters and Clannad?
>>143532697
HeRPes? Violet Hill? I'm sure you could scrounge up some more, I'm not really in the know on the latest projects.
>>143532697
>"old school" bishoujo game
What do you mean with that compared to modern bishoujo games?
>>143533581
Modern ones are shit and lack the polish the good, old games had.
You know what else is shit? The world. The world is shit.
>>143535592
You're shit.
>>143535592
Make an EVN about that.
How would you feel as a dev if some guys are walking in public with a body pillow of your game's heroine?
Hard more:It's the worst girl.
>>143528098
One less year away from death
>>143534045
Are you implying KS was polished?
>>143535673
Absolute human garbage.
>>143535710
If you feel like your game has a worst girl, you're doing something wrong.
>>143536031
>EVN
>polished
You having a giggle there m8?
>>143535710
It'd be really messed up considering what the heroine is
>>143537553
I can think of a few. KS wouldn't be one of them though.
>>143535710
I'd wonder what I did right that a guy would be waifuing my otome heroine.In full honesty, I do have a bishoujo game in the works and at least one other in concept phases where the otome heroine can go into lily mode instead. Don't think I could handle "Hard Mode" because I'd rather dump the dead weight than keep it in for pandering purposes.
>>143536383
You can not deny it, senpai. It is the nature of multi-heroines to have scientifically-proven worst girls:
Katawa Shoujo = Hanako
EVER17 = Sara
Clannad = Fuuko
F/S Night = Tohsaka
G-String = that Twintail Tsundere
Rewrite = that "moon girl" in the True End
>>143539072
What the fuck are you doing?
>>143538534
There are a lot of otome heroines with cute as fuck designs, would not waifu but buy a daki tier.
>lily mode
One route or more?
>>143539072
You as the creator shouldn't feel that way. If you feel like one of your heroines is worst girl, you've failed. Only fans should feel like they can single out a love interest as the worst.
>>143539072
All those VNs are shit so eh
>>143539072
your opinion is so wrong it attracted enough wrongness from the wrong dimension to punch a hole in reality and now no one can prove anything because the concept of being right doesn't exist anymore
>>143539285
>>143541184
>>143541830
Which ones triggered you plebs?
>>143535710
I'd be amused but they'd probably be in trouble considering how underage the girls are
>>143543968
Post sprites
>>143544049
Would you walk around with this girl on a pillow?
>>143545149
She would need to be wearing significantly less clothing in order for me to consider it.
>>143547205
>500x375
You can't hide your traced bg.
Игpa пpo диaлoги. Caми вce этo читaйтe. Гeймплeя зa пepвыe 15 мин вooбщe нe yвидeлa.
>>143551109
Cyka, what you are doing ?
>>143551109
cyka blyat
>>143528330
>>143528431
>>143535958
Thanks guys... It wasn't a good day today. I'll make up for everything in VN progress.
Gonna go full sim again.
Gonna go full reptile again.
reptilian bump
>>143557515
Just let it die, senpai.
http://somnovastudios.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&p=16735
>>143559695
LMAO
So how much progress did they make in the past year?
>>143559695
>printed script
That is fucking hilarious.
>>143540086
For the game I'm talking about, at least two girls. One is a sporty type you have to knock over the head with your interest and the other is the sultry type who knocks you over the head with hers. Ambitious project, so it'll be years before I get to write about them. (I'm not normally into Yuri, but I already look forward to them. They're currently more fleshed out than most of the guys in that project.)
>>143560401
I can't tell if that's a good call or not. Helps me sometimes to edit a printed copy of my books, but... those are linear stories. I guess if they're only typo hunting... but they're not even done with the script yet, so it seems like wasted effort to me?
>>143535710
Hey, free publicity. At least a few people are bound to ask what the hell is that.
>>143562768
>if they're only typo hunting
That would be even more useless.
>>143562768
Seems to me like a "it's a lot of work guys, look how big is this shit" move than anything.
>>143560401
Made me think of this shit.
>>143565810
Do his backers know already?
>>143565810
Did they airbrush this picture?
It's creepy.
>>143562768
If I were a writer getting feedback from an editor, I'd much rather just have someone add notes/annotations to my document in something like Word or Google Docs than have to go through a massive stack and paper and look for the places where there's red ink.
What the fuck does he intend to do with that 400-page tome when he's done with it? Fucking mail it to the writer and say "here's my notes/corrections?"
>>143559695
When did using a phone camera to take a photo of your monitor become the norm? Every keyboard manufactured in the past 20+ years has a screenshot button, yet somehow it feels like we've gone backwards in terms of sophistication.
>>143567437
Can't be a proper dev without showing off your multiple monitors.
>>143567437
>I'm a real dev, look, I print my script and then I type it all back into my computer and I don't use prntscreen, but I just take photos of my screen xD
>lolsorandum xD support poor evn dev nao, patreon coming soon.
It's been over 4 years and the Missing Stars people still haven't released so much as a demo?
I guess they really are sticking to the Katawa Shoujo formula
>>143568053I secretly root for them and hope they're gonna make it
>>143552686
I liked the sound of cyka blyat and was going to name one of my characters that. Good thing I googled it first
>>143568926
What's it mean?
>>143568352
Does anyone actually look at a project and say "I hope this fails"? I don't think anybody WANTS any given VN to be bad, but that doesn't mean they're going to hold back and refrain from calling something a dog turd when it is one.
>>143566075
I thought it looked uncanny valley too.
>>143569020
"whore bitch"
My game is for kids
>>143569071
>Does anyone actually look at a project and say "I hope this fails"?
Yes. Black Sands.
>>143569285
"Blyat" can be used as a noun, which means "whore", and as an interjection, which is equivalent of "fuck!" In that case it's the latter meaning.
>>143569509
this
>>143572083
I remember reading this. It was interesting but the writing felt apart on the second half for me.
>>143572504
Do you really want people with that kind of attitude to feel validated? His VN could be the second coming of christ in game form and I still wouldn't play it.
>>143569509
Kind of a shame that so many devs are in agreement about this. And it's solely because of the director's shitty attitude. I wish he'd just sober up and approach things a little humility.
>>143573127
sorry, *with a little
>>143573127
Devs, on the other hand, are a completely unimportant miniscule fraction of the audience he's trying to appeal to.
Customers fall for bragging all the time.
>>143573548
A very fair point.
>>143573548
>Customers fall for bragging all the time.
Maybe it's because I'm also a dev, but games that claim to be "best ever" or "revolutionary" just make me eyeroll and judge them even more harshly.
>>143574445
Well, they do for me as well, but it doesn't seem to put off the average consumer.
>>143573548
Is that because they don't see the bragging? Or do they see it and not mind? I'm put off by it if I see it, but I guess I wouldn't know about the devs for most games.
>>143573548
nigga please. no one likes direct bragging
whoever taught you that must have been a pickup artist
>>143576292
People get really excited about superlatives and repeat them to their friends. "This is the first uncensored sex game on Steam!!! It is ushering in a new era!!!"
Packaged soundbyte promises are easier to reproduce than nuance.
>>143579413
looks alright
So did alienworks rip off cosmillica with highway blossoms?
>>143587593
They talked about it before. Said that neither one knew the other existed at the time. Raithfyre and the lead Cosmillica developer are friends so I guess it's probably fine.
https://twitter.com/CosmillicaJP/status/711366114052190208
>>143587593
As far as I can see the actual plots aren't similar at all, only the vague high concept of "road trip lesbians"
bampu
>>143592102
This is what happens when you don't bump with quality.
>>143588841
Both seem to involve roadtrips to real locations in the USA, take place in a van, feature one set couple, are kinetic novels, and have music as a theme.
>>143587739
I wouldn't want to spend money and effort to create something and have a carbon copy of it exist somewhere.
>>143595592
To be fair, both also look pretty awful.
>>143595592
Highway Blossoms has music as a theme? I thought they were hunting for buried treasure
>>143596239
The greenlight says the story is a tribute to music, but it's hard to tell how much going off a short description.
>>143596239
also:
> real locations in the USA
Different halves of the US though as far as I know. Compared to Europe they may as well be totally different countries.
>take place in a van
Well, if you want to fuck on a road trip you probably need a van or an rv or something.
>feature one set couple
This is 90% of yuri games. Especially given that
>kinetic novels
it's hard to have romance options in a KN.
Highway Blossoms at least has some prominent side characters. From past experience with Dahlia I wouldn't be surprised if nobody but the main characters has a sprite in the Cosmilica game.
Even if one were inspired by the other, the inspiration couldn't really go any further than "hey, lesbians on a road trip, that would be cool, I should write a story about that"
>>143596369
>goes to check out greenlight page
>stares in bafflement at the comment stating that SJWs love violent shooters and hate all lesbians
people are weird
>>143596932
the greenlight comment section is the equivalent of youtube comments.
>>143596932
Maybe people actually want games on steam, instead of shitty movies with still picturesand no voice acting in most cases.
>>143596051
Is it wrong that I think Highway Blossoms lookscomfy?
>>143598224
No, not at all. I know a lot of people who enjoy listening to comfy audio books for an hour or so before sleep.
>>143599970
to sleep, perchance to dream of lesbians
>>143600107
>>>143596932
That reminds me, I should probably finish the yuri route in seduce me 2.
>>143600848
Finish writing it? Maybe add some actual yuri scenes?
Is there something like vndb for those interactive novels / choose your own adventure games that are pretty popular on android?
>>143601489
Choice of Games games? No, the most they have is a forum and some have tvtropes pages. I've read a lot of them, are you looking for recommendations?
>>143601797
I've had a look around the choice of games forums but I was wondering if there are other devs around.
>Your choices are
>Game over
>Dicks
This really isn't what I had expected in a pity yuri route.
>>143601909
As far as I know they're all over there.
>>143602953
>Not wanting that uniboob all to themselves
What a cuck
>>143602953
So you get poly or you get told to fuck off?
>>143602953
oh hell nah the first game it was one of the more tolerable routes. (though barely)
>>143603362
Other reviews have said if you turn down the poly, you get 'Oh, actually, he doesn't really love her after all, so everything's fine!', so basically just a random choice of "Added dicks, yes or no" as the resolution of the route
>>143603362
I'm not going to read through all possible combinations or disect the ren'pi files but it seems that way. I really don't want to play this any further, dicks or not.
>>143603274
I have no idea why the went with that sprite. All the other, cuter, girls in the demon worlds wear clothes. The sex scene I got was awful as well.
>>143603526
The first one also had more yuri choices.
>>143603978
Oh, that sounds better. But doesn't that make the poly the bad end then?
>>143604248
Harem end is always true and best end.
Unless it has more than one dude. Then it's worst end.
>>143605535
But how else are you meant to fill all your holes?
>It's a friendship route :^)
I wish this fucking meme would die already.
>>143608261
Friendship routes are cute, I like them.
>>143608504
They're okay if they're optional but I feel like it's just wasted content.
>>143604159
>The sex scene I got was awful as well.
is there a CG? please post it or link it
>>143609297
It's not explicit, and I've already uninstalled the game.
>>143608967
How would a route not be optional? Or do you mean 'optional' as in 'the character must also be romanceable'?
Seems like the content would be more wasted then because only tumblrites who identify as asexual would pick the friendship route intentionally
>>143611339
I can imagine people picking an optional friendship route if it's a game with both straight and gay routes.
>>143611831
In my experience the kind of players who absolutely don't want to do a gay route will also refuse to do the friendship version and whine that there should have been more straight romances added instead.
I'm sure there are a few people who would do the friendship version, it's just the loud people I encounter are generally either fine with a gay romance or don't want it to exist at all.
>>143608967
Personally, in cases where Hot Sensei turns out to, say, already have a wife in the hospital, I would rather have the story of my character swallowing her disappointed crush and building a friendship with him than a story in which the wife conveniently dies so we can hook up.
Unless I'm a villain protagonist killing the wife myself.
Of course, some people would rather have no characters with serious romance obstacles added to the plot at all.
>>143612657
>wanting to be cucked by a vegetable
>>143613012
how are you
but
do you
the word means
i don't
is this soviet russia or something
>>143615689
very "90s BBC tv show"
>>143616398
> 90's
that's clearly 80's
>>143618189
The british are slow and backwards, maybe they were still there in the 90s
>>143618731
Slow doesn't cover it, I mean they have an actual monarch in the year 2016. What a ridiculous nation.
>>143620854
Not British, but I have to remind you that while almost every nation that still has a monarch is hellbent on the separation of Church and State, the same cannot be said of the biggest countries that are full-on democracies (as opposed to parliamentary monarchies). Even as a religious person, the notion that democratic rights tend to be directly influenced by religious views is far more ridiculous than a royal family, especially when they're there just to boost morale and be designated, born and bred diplomats.
>>143620854
I'd prefer a benign monarch over a president. There's no reason one person should have that much power and they're a convenient scapegoat for literally everything that goes wrong.
Presidential campaigns are also a fucking joke and full of misleading bullshit and shitflinging.
>>143621614
> monarch with actual powers
you're thinking of prime ministers
does sekai sign all the EVN they retweet? they posted stuff from caramel mochaccino a few times now.
>>143622830
deji's friends with a couple of evn devs, they might be just doing her a favor.
>>143622830
>>143622937
Holy shit, that means they got for free what many give away 30% of profits for life to get!
>>143611339
Personally, I wouldn't mind more friendship routes. I have no interest in the clingy, baby-ish shouta/loli routes - but they might be fun friends. Dudebros make great friends, but are often boring to date. Twintail tsunderes make great bitchy bffs, but I don't want that in my ear forever. I just see optional friendship routes as interesting bonuses. An alternative to adding stock characters just to fill out the ranks in the name of MOAR CONTENT.
>>143623974
>An alternative to adding stock characters just to fill out the ranks
So it's like a character becomes your friend if you're on someone else's route or something?
>>143624886
That's one way to handle it. (And since I like romancing, probably my preferred way if I'm being honest.) If the dev prefers linear routes, I wouldn't mind just being able to select, "Let's be buds." instead of, "My heart just went dokidoki - what mean?"
tot
>>143629647
Tales of Tits?
Been playing pic related. Just finished one of the routes and it's pretty average so far. Dunno if I want to get all of them.
>>143630958
>Dunno if I want to get all of them.
Imagine they are pokemon. Don't you wanna be the very best? Go catch them all.
>>143630958
>no secret corruption end with Sarah grooming the girls into perfect whores and establishing a high-class brothel
shit game t b h
please give legacy of zhu money so i can see buff oni babe eat muff, thanks in advance
brad
>>143633946
No.
what what
>>143633946
Just saw that VN on Greenlit today.
Should've put it there months before kikestarter to get more hype going.
Someone post both buttcheeks
>>143641689
Not even butts can save this dumpster of a thread.
>>143641689
Not even butts can save this dumpster of a thread.
>>143633013
Shouldn't that be Miss Minchin grooming the girls?
Although she repeatedly gets angry at the suggestion that she might be raising them to be whores, so I suppose it needs a new leader.
i'm not sure how i feel about this really simple starter town flute theme playing while i make some girl blow me in seeds of chaos.
>>143647263
oh, shortly after this the game just ends. you get an optional sex scene with a few CG in the first few minutes, and then the game ends after you fight an orc.
>>143647367
It's some sort of early access meant-to-be-bigger please-patronise-us thing, isn't it? not a full game
>>143647704
i knew it wasn't full since it's a demo, but i think it was one of the shorter demos i've played.
>>143649709
Color palette for that is lovely.Dude or dudely-chick on the left needs some work, though.
>>143623974
>all the characters I'm not interested in should get friendship routes
How about all the characters you like get friendship routes?
>>143633946
I'm sorry for you yuri fans, willing to eat literal shit over how starved you are for content.
>>143651876
Yeah, I'm down for that too. Thought I made that clear, but guess not!
>>143652010
It can't possibly be worse than the yuri routes in the seduce me series.
>>143652010we are starved but it doesn't look bad. not every yuri can be cute small teenagers.
>>143651876
To clarify - I was replying to someone else's post where they were saying the only people who would bother with friendship routes would be those who were asexual. I was responding to that in the vein of, "I'm definitely not asexual and this would be a specific reason why I would would want friendship routes. For me, there are some characters I prefer not to romance, but I'd still like to get to know them."
>>143630958
lol some Japs are actually playing that shit.
>>143657136
I feel bad for the Japanese players diligently trying to hand-translate the english only to run smack into the french.
>>143656421
Gaia has a visual novel?
> ironing out the legal details of your game AFTER you've made the kickstarter and raised a bunch of money
why
>>143660453
Which one?
>>143660913
Deji. Apparently, she's just looking into how to make a company with people outside Chile. I understand not actually making it, but if she wanted to go the company route surely she'd have looked into it beforehand?
Just wondering, but do people need to form a company to sell games?
>>143661894
Think about that question for a minute. Now, tell me exactly how stupid you feel for asking it?
>>143661894
No. You can sell them as a natural person and declare individual taxes.
However, for profit share between countries with tax agreements a company would make sense since that way you don't end up paying taxes in every country. (particularly relevant for steam, since USA's corporate tax is around 35% iirc)
>>143662354
>However, for profit share between countries with tax agreements a company would make sense since that way you don't end up paying taxes in every country. (particularly relevant for steam, since USA's corporate tax is around 35% iirc)
I don't think company structure makes much difference in that particular case but maybe I'm not picturing what you're picturing.
Being a company CAN be useful for tax purposes. It helps shield you from financial liability, so that the company can be sued to oblivion but leave your personal assets intact. Forming a company and paying yourself dividends may also give an advantage over normal income tax.
>>143663475
I'm seeing it from the "companies make it easier to avoid double taxation" angle.
The brief discussion about CoG and pity routes made me think of something. In those games, the love interests are often genderswapped according to the player's sexuality and gender, with a few changed lines and scenes here and there. Maybe implementing something like that could make a VN better at omnipandering instead of the usual pity same-sex route. It's quite a bit more work for the artist though.
>>143664968
It works for Choice of Games because the scenes are brief and so much of it is left to the player's imagination already.
The more detail and interaction you have with a character, the more it's going to be a mess if it's just a swappable generic, even if you have the art.
>>143664968
>love interests are often genderswapped according to the player's sexuality and gender, with a few changed lines and scenes here and there
How do you do write something like that? Genderless blobs with copypaste bland personality enough to accomodate every sexual preference possible and interchangeable sprites?
Not trying to make fun or anything, I honestly don't understand that approach.
>>143665854
>How do you do write something like that? Genderless blobs with copypaste bland personality enough to accomodate every sexual preference possible and interchangeable sprites?
Write interesting characters whose personality doesn't depend on their gender?
>>143666153
You write interesting characters but taking into account every aspect of them. Sexuality don't need to be the most important, identity-defining of them, but it isn't just something you can brush aside and go: "oh, s/he likes boats and lasagna, how interesting!". Apart from the obvious differences in sex scenes and flirty, cuddly bits, it affects manner of speech, backstory, general outlook in life. A girly girl wanting traditionally girly things is as valid as a tomboy defiying such views, and taking into account their different circumstances and the way they affect others arround them. Glossing over such things isn't my idea of a well written char.
>>143666153
Again, it works in Choice of Games because the scenes and interactions are so brief. If you know a character only as an archetype, 'my work rival', 'my childhood crush', 'a gorgeous and mysterious stranger', it doesn't take much to let the reader's mind fill in the gaps and picture the appropriate character for their tastes.
The more you talk to that character outside of their archetype, though, the more it starts to become tricky. Personal backstories, personal triumphs and tragedies, are likely to hint at gender or to at least be interpreted differently depending on gender. And, of course, the more details you add, the less you are able to pander to absolutely everyone.
Maybe I swoon at the idea of a mysterious female stranger who delivers cryptic warnings before disappearing into the night... but only if she's androgynous and wearing a trench coat, not if she's got huge tits and an evening gown, and definitely not if she smokes.
>>143667270
>it affects manner of speech, backstory, general outlook in life.
As far as I'm concerned, any gender can have any outlook/personality/whatever. I don't care if it's a stoic, practical and masculine woman or a stubborn, weak, and feminine man. The only thing sex changes for me is how you bump the uglies. The more important thing here is the setting.
>>143667270
>>143667491
While this sounds pretty sensible in theory, maybe 20% of all EVN have anything that could be called interesting characters with a background.
Take something like catch canvas, you have the loud and lazy girl, the quiet and perverted one, and then there's the lol random choice.
>>143667725
Any gender absolutely can have any outlook on life, but players are going to interpret the character very differently if it's a girl who loves cuddly toys and cries easily or a guy who loves cuddly toys and cries easily. Simply allowing that character to be either may be a valid and interesting design decision, but it's not true to say that it panders to all tastes.
It's also hard to imagine that all the surrounding characters would treat that character the same way regardless of gender, which can start bringing up player complaints where they insist that a plotline was clearly written only for one perspective and the other is a badly-implemented afterthought.
>>143667981
Time to step it up then, senpai.
Let's redefine the genre together!
>>143667725
>I don't care if it's a stoic, practical and masculine woman or a stubborn, weak, and feminine man.
Those two types would feel like different characters if you genderflipped them to me, honestly.
If you keep that different gender stereotype they'd change personality too much and if you kept them the same the impression would be too different.
>>143667981
>maybe 20% of all EVN have anything that could be called interesting characters with a background
Please don't pull percentages out of your ass, it makes my pedantry want to sit you down and make you actually go over a list of the 100 most recently-released EVNs and discuss them in depth to see if your figures hold up.
Catch Canvas, as far as we can tell, is shallow fanservice shit. I doubt it has much in the way of interesting character background. (I also doubt that anywhere near 80% of EVNs are shallow fanservice tit bait)
But okay, let's look at Catch Canvas. Would those characters make sense if you swapped their genders and nothing else about them? All the same poses? (I didn't play their demo, I don't even know.)
>>143667491
>Personal backstories, personal triumphs and tragedies, are likely to hint at gender or to at least be interpreted differently depending on gender
Gender makes you more likely to think a certain way or do certain things, but it's not set in stone. As I said, a man can have a feminine outlook and a woman can have a masculine one. If your character boils down to I'M A (WO)MAN AND _____ BECAUSE I'M A (WO)MAN, BY THE WAY I AM A (WO)MAN, unless it's a specific biological function that's bad writing. But this is probably my own taste speaking, really, I like it all, even guys who love cuddly toys and cry easily.
>>143668153
>It's also hard to imagine that all the surrounding characters would treat that character the same way regardless of gender
Hence the modified scenes. I can't remember which it was but one of the CoGs has a side character talk shit about one of the LIs because she's a woman.
>>143668287
You're the worst meme in this general.
>>143668553
You got that wrong. This general is the worst meme.
>>143668980
This general is the worst general
>>143668980
What's the best meme?
>>143668406
>Would those characters make sense if you swapped their genders and nothing else about them?
i would play the shit out of that.
>>143668406
I'm 43.971% sure you've got autism.
>>143670564
Nicely done.
>>143664968
Even ignoring all the other gender stuff mentioned, it seems like a waste of money in a VN. You end up with four sort-of-not-really routes that are mostly identical (that you had to commission art for, no less). Might as well make them distinct at this point.
>>143670564
>Even jap meme videos making fun of shut-ins have better waifus than your vn
What's your excuse?
>>143670237
I'm sick of people repeating bullshit statistics as if they were facts. One in four women raped, MY ASS.
>>143670836
Silly you, nobody would believe one in four women has raped your ass. Stop lying to /evn/.
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1317160620/lagniappe-a-little-extra
>A dating sim featuring anthro characters of all shapes, sizes, sexes and species. Featuring a wide cast of unique characters.
are you excite
>>143671206
Every time they look at my ass it is like they are raping me with their eyes, anon
>>143671327
OH MY GOD
>The main influence was Katawa Shoujo, a lot >of Lagniappe's mechanics are extrapolations >of those present within Katawa Shoujo, >though the game has also been inspired or >informed by games like Sakura Spirit, >Nekopara, even games like Huniepop. It's a >genre that a lot of the people on the team >absolutely adore, and we all are excited to >contribute something we're considering >worthwhile to the genre we love.
Is this character a boy? Because I might finally have a reason to read HRP
>>143672972
How the fuck do those garterbelts work? Are they pinned to the skirt? Who came up with that retarded idea?
Her anatomy is all fucked too. Where's her left arm? It doesn't look like it should be completely hidden unless it bends the wrong way.
>>143630958
It just got its first negative review from someone complaining that it's immoral to have underage girls kiss.
>>143672972
Do you normally suspect characters with breasts of being boys?
>>143673283
i believe its some sort of clear material on the ends.
>>143673286
It is. That's what makes it good.
>>143656421
>as a midget
Might as well kill himself.
>>143679283
>It's the manlet uprising.
Truly the end of the world as we know it.
>>143679283
Have you never wanted to shrink down and ride inside a bra?
>>143681683
It gets sweaty in there.
>>143670237
My mom said I have autism so I went to the doctor, and he said I don't have it. What is the truth?
>>143682732
Your mom obviously.
>>143682732
You'd better go and catch it.
>>143682863
>>143683328
Is it worse to have autism or to seem like you have it despite your best efforts?
What went right with Loren, and what went wrong with all the games afterwards?
>Note: Both of these titles contain images that some may find disturbing, including images featuring non-human bugs and creatures. Please be advised.
o-okay
>>143687718
would human bugs be better?
>>143671327
>Costs 1/20th of Seduce Me 2
I doubt it could be any worse, furry or not.
>>143688338
seduce me 2 is selling buckets and rolling in cash
>>143688545
>The dev doing rising angels probably had to sell on of their kidneys by now
What a time to be alive.
>>143689130
/u/sers still posting 'i appreciate their efforts but i wouldn't touch their games with a ten-foot pole'
>>143689217
What is /u/'s problem with idhas?
The writing isn't stellar or consistent but it's leagues ahead of seduce me 2.
>>143689475
He cuckolded them once and they will never, ever forgive him.
>>143689663
Details?
>>143690373
iirc, releasing a game, telling them it was yuri, and then at the very end the girl the protagonist has been crushing on the whole game sleeps with a man, leaving her heartbroken
It was apparently meant to be an end-of-episode cliffhanger. It didn't go over well.
>>143691210
Now this is cuckolding!
>>143686231
I think it's hard to judge WW games since I think he gets new writers and artists and composers for everything he puts together - there's nothing really cohesive about them (apart from the fact they're coded/put together by the same guy), so all his VNs will end up varying wildly in tone and style.
>>143692173
Why doesn't he stick with a team when a game is successful?
>>143692173
Well, he picks those writers and artists and gives them some basic direction, at least.
>>143691210
Ah, the classic scumbab move of surprise NTR, aggravated with surprise yuri theme subversion.
Ok, those rising angels devs deserve to have that much shit and then more forwarded in their direction.
RA looks extremely boring. I think the NTR thing gets talked about because it's the only interesting thing to happen in the series.
Whatever happened to IDHAS's bland looking fantasy fanservice game?
>>143692734
They've apologised and tried to make it up with multiple games but /u/ is not so easily won over, and spreads conspiracy theories claiming that idhas is sneaking into other projects to secretly turn lesbians straight.
>having another panic attack regarding the possibility of my project's success
Fucking hell, not again!
>>143694187
Will you feel better if we tell you it'll definitely fail?
>>143694521
No.
>>143693405
>/u/ is not so easily won over
I hope so. I wouldn't give those devs a second chance either after pulling that crap.
>>143694820
If they make actual yuri games and people refuse to buy them, though, how does this help?
>>143694951
It helps by freeing that market space for honest devs -who hopefully won't incur in misleading advertising- to step in.
>>143694951
>refuse to buy them
the opinions of a few paranoid people on /u/ are hardly something to worry over.
>>143696389
True, but as the whole reason he came up in conversation in the first place, he seems to be struggling
>>143695656
I will become the saviour of /u/.
>>143694951
It works as a cautionary tale for others: fuck your clients up, don't expect them to suck your dick later.
>>143696550
Yeah he tweeted about having to choose between feeding himself and buying medication for his sick dog. He picked the dog.
>>143688545
I'm honestly surprised. It looks like shit.
>>143696789
/u/ starvation is real, yo
>>143696560
The occasion is ripe, go for it.
>>143697037
I already am. My slow artist is the only thing hindering progress.
>>143696850
Huh? It has nothing to do with /u/. It's an otome game, that's who's buying it. /u/ doesn't care, other than to be pissed that the one stretch-goal yuri route was half-assed.
>>143696850
I even a sizeable percentage of their customers are interested in u stuff.
Although I'm completely baffled why the game is selling at all. The art is poor, the voice acting is trash, and the first game wasn't great either.
>>143697207
Effective use of free game to build up audience and milk them into a hype brigade, I guess
>>143697125
Ah sorry. We were talking /u/ and jumped to conclusions without bothering to check.
>>143697125
I'm even more surprised. We're getting more translated stuff and more semi-decent otome EVNs, I don't understand how that got so popular.
>>143698426
Sex scenes?
>>143698781
Surely, one can find free porn everywhere, without having to be subjected to that crap.
>>143699210
Free porn is everywhere. Most of it is incredibly unsatisfying if you want to be ravished by a sexy demon.
I say this as one who frustratedly watches a lot of hentai that does its damnedest to cut the guys out of the scenes entirely, and make them ugly and silent if they do show up.
>>143699210
Not cuckquean porn. Shit's scarce and elusive as hell.
If anyone made a EVN about that I'd tell them to shut up and take my money.
>>143700310
>cuckquean
the fuck does this even mean?
>>143700423
Opposite of cuckold, apparently.
>>143702680
>Winterwolves picks a new artist
Still a better style than planet stronghold.
>>143702680
>thumbnail looks ok
>expand
>>143702680
Who is this vomit demon?
>>143703873
your new protagonist
>>143704025
I see...
There are only a couple days left before the VN Dev Survey closes https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1o7HQ4OaZYFcxoOM5wfQTGF3W8XO_WTMYRwbd7FZoTC4/viewform
>>143707231
I thought people had facebook precisely to let others know all their personal info.
>>143708172
Are you suggesting that I should have tracked down every individual dev on Facebook to perform a demographics survey?
>>143710294
Are you suggesting you don't routinely stalk every one of us?
>>143707231
Started to fill it out until I saw how many questions there were about gender and orientation. Why does this matter?
>>143710574
Yeah I watch you while you sleep too, like Santa Claus
>>143710590
Because people specifically requested to know statistics around those areas for the dev community. And it's a /demographics/ survey.
>>143711138
>Because people specifically requested
Huh. I thought you were trying to gauge how many of us are yet to be forced into the Borg collective.
>>143711138
Like >>143710590
those questions really irked me out.
>>143711491
are you ashamed of your white het cis male status?
>>143711491
Why?
>>143711801
>>143711810
It just felt like a lot of sensitive information to give out to an entity I know nothing about. Without honest replies, the census is rendered moot but with them, it is very easy to pinpoint some people because the scene is so small and incestuous.
Just saying, if you don't get a large sample pool, it's because this form comes across as very intrusive.
>>143712116
>, it is very easy to pinpoint some people because the scene is so small and incestuous.
yeah, this was my problem. I can't remember if I eventually decided to fill it out anyway or not, and I don't really care, but I'm extremely obvious demographically which makes the other questions completely non-anonymous
>>143693395
He lost multiple writers and had to take on all the writing.
>>143712321
should have NAMED AND SHAMED
>>143712116
>>143712297
I get what you guys are saying, but I just filled it out and didn't think any of the questions were too intrusive
other than maybe the financial stuff, most of the questions are things I can't see any reason to want to hide
>>143712116
I can understand that, but there is an option not to specify if you wish for those questions. The people who then do want to be counted get the correct options. Currently the pool is at 613 and I will not be releasing any information without aggregating it first.
>>143712627
I'll never understand why people are so averse to that.
Winterwolves keeps crying about his writers or artists but he never says who shat on him.
>>143712821
not wanting to be sued
>>143692734
>NTR
The character was already in the relationship with the guy from the start and showed no interest other than being friends with the protagonist.
>>143693071
Reborn was interesting. It was nice to see visual novels about more than just picking a LI.
>>143692404
The volume of games released is not such that the writers/artists can make a living off just them, so they take other projects and find jobs and then it's pretty hard to lock them down due to schedule conflicts
>>143713265
If a character being already married and never having any interest in you counts as you being cucked by the spouse, then obviously sleeping with an existing boyfriend counts as cheating on you.
For those who have had a game published through Sekai/MangaGamer/whatever, is it traditional to get any kind of advance/licensing fee?
Aside from supposed marketing, what are the benefits of signing on with a publisher?
>>143715123
>Aside from supposed marketing, what are the benefits of signing on with a publisher?
Getting fucked in the butt regularly?
>>143712713
>Currently the pool is at 613
How many of those are devs and how many are idea guys who are eternally "working" on a game or five?
>>143715123
In an ideal world, a publisher should provide:
an advance (probably recoupable) to help you produce the work
some market research information and feedback on your game design to help you make it more successful
QA/testing
porting your game to other platforms (including doing the steam integration)
marketing
I have no idea if they do any of those things
>>143716480
What is all this nonsense, all a publisher needs to do is to retweet an announcement and take 30% of your profits.
>>143719497
Agreed.
arise
>>143724015
I'd rather this just die the death it deserves.
>>143724798
This
>>143724798
nah, suffer
>>143715123
>is it traditional to get any kind of advance/licensing fee
Licensing fees are only for works they translate. If you're an evn dev, then you give up 30% of your sales revenue to the publisher to help promote your work.
Great new everyone! Sakura Dungeon comes out in less than a week.
Someone play it and tell me if it's not complete shit, please.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/407330/
>>143726982
>tell me if it's not complete shit, please.
>has sakura in the name
Hmmm...
>>143727057
There's a first time for everything. This Sakura title has been in development for around a year, so obviously more effort has gone into it than the other Sakura games.
>>143727493
I want to believe, but I won't hold my breath.
>>143727848
How about tempering your expectation level to "it will be mildly less shitty than the rest of the Sakura games"?
>>143727932
That's doable.
>AJ Tilley, whoever is responsible for Sakura games, and the devs of of Seduce Me have combined forces to kill EVN
How do your kill yourself before this happens?
>>143728667
make a Sakura-killer game, I believe in you
>>143729928
Sakura Suicide?Sakura Sudoku?
>>143728667
>implying this cesspool is worth saving
ayy fucking lmao
Is it a bad idea to have my game be in legible handwriting instead of a normal font?
>>143732128
>people asking questions nobody would know the answer to without seeing it
This happens way to damn often in these threads.
Post it.
>>143732128
Make a font with your hand writing. If you thought this through you'd realize how horrible an idea this is.
>>143732714
It could be fine so long as it's not cursive.
Also, who knows, maybe they meant they'd literally write all of it down and not use a font.
kill me
>>143735423
I'm too busy so just kill yourself.
>>143735527
What are you even doing? It can't be dev-related surely, this is a dev free zone.
>>143736964
Write, write write, then rewrite a little bit.
"The past is difficult to forget, specially when it is painful."
Nay, nay, that sounds like crap. Main Char is way more over the top. Large hams, bring me a whole wheelbarrow of those, please.
"You tell all girls the same thing, don't you?"
Wait, she is suposedly a tsundere. This is just chapter one, why so meek? Oh yeah, I remember now. Character overlap with the sadist one.
That particular can of worms may wait. Let's venture forward, for today I feel creative!
"And then they... uh.. walked and did... uh... stuff?"
Holy shit, that sounded better in my head. Oh well, I'll just rewrite it again tomorrow...
Rinse and repeat. Livin' the dream...
Stay alive.
unlimited bump works
>>143741749
>>143741753
>1 second
page 10
>>143710590
Same.
>>143728667
Wait about a month, it should get better.
>>143746145
Why?
>>143746641
The demo for my game willhopefullycome out.
>>143746852
What is it about? Generally speaking.
suffer
>>143754310
>face is decent
>body is shit
>>143696695
Stupid dog.
Sekai Project staff think that the Sakura Series is getting better and better. They also talk a bit about evn publishing in their interview.
>Well I think Sakura is more about the artwork and whimsical writing than anything else, and for that they work really well. The characters look great and series is constantly growing stronger and better.
http://blog.fuwanovel.net/2016/05/interview-with-sekai-project/
>>143762604
What do you expect them to say, "The Sakura games are shit but people keep buying them so we'll keep publishing them"?
>>143762701
That's at least a more honest answer.
They do advise to quit copying Japanese tropes though.
>In fact, I’ll speak more for myself in answering this in that I find EVN’s greatest challenge is just that it relies too heavily on set expectations and tropes. Just because you read a VN that takes place at a Japanese high school, does not mean every VN has to take place in Japan. For me, I want to see and hear stories that comes from your experiences, your life, your influences, and those go back much further than the VN you read in 2013. I think people think that their own culture and experiences aren’t interesting, but they really are, and I would love to see more variations and diversity from EVN developers. Are you Swedish and grew up near the woods? Then a VN with nature, trolls and woods that comes from your own imagination and culture would be much more authentic and personal than writing about Koji Whataeva meeting his childhood friend who has grown breasts over the summer and wants to go to the cherry blossom festival to show off her cleavage in a kimono.
>>143762986
Which is ironic, if they were going to give the Sakura series such a pass, to turn around and deliver a backhand to EVNs like that when they're in a perfect position to know it's not true. They PUBLISH evns that are not set in Japan, why are they repeating this false stereotype?
Unless they were particularly trying to snark at No One But You.
>>143762604
>Maitetsu is a title which in Japan has a playfulness that can quickly be seen as lewd and absurd in the West
This game polled fans on their fetishes and which girl they wanted to fuck the most, but it's just playful, not lewd.
>>143764285
Clearly they only plan to release a Steam version, with no plans to do the 18+ version as it would just be inviting SJW backlash.
>>143764627
'Fuck girls who look six' sets off a lot more than just SJWs. Steam already has enough dudebros roaming through yelling PEDOPHILE at anything that looks anime.
>>143765396
It still lets you form romantic relationships with girls who look six.
>>143765674
Depends on how hard they censor it
A game that is exactly like yours is announced, and everyone is more hyped for it instead.Do you kill yourself?
>>143766804
Nah. Then I won't have learned anything I can use for the next story. (Cannot die. Have too many untold stories.)
>>143766804
no, but I will SEETHE and then work to undermine them in every possible way
>>143766804
>exactly like yours
What do you mean by that?
>>143767301
Can't you just be happy that someone has similar tastes as you?
>>143767372
It's exactly like yours.
>>143767301You find out they're doing the same thing after learning your doppelganger exists.
>>143767787
In that case, we should clearly fuck.
>>143767456
If we get similar hype, I'll be happy.
>>143767456
No. I must be completely unique.
>>143772752
Think of all the genetic samples you've left lying around. An army of possible clones.
>>143766804
It already happened. I'd been working on a game for a year when another one came out just like it. I'd never announced my game, so it looks like the other game was first. Awkward part is that I'm friends with the dev and don't want them to think I copied them.
>>143778165
I'm not sure about those noses.
>>143775367
are you going to release it or change it up enough?
>>143775367
But copy is a strong word. Which are the similarities? Setting? Character designs?
>tfw your vn is so unique no one would've thought of it.
It's aboutJapanese highschools trying to save their club featuring a harem of skittle-colored lolis, a cynical main character, and a comic otaku best friend.
>>143781070
How fresh!
>>143762986
>a VN [...] that comes from your own imagination and culture would be much more authentic and personal
And that is why UAB is best EVN.
>Are you Swedish and grew up near the woods?
Why not a VN about being cucked in the forest?
>>143762986
>I would love to see more variations and diversity from EVN developers.
So that I can immediately ignore it completely.
You might expect me as a publisher to take this opportunity to talk up some of the projects I represent which are not set in Japan, and tell you how awesome they are and why you should buy them, but fuck that! EVNs suck. They should be grateful for a single retweet.
>>143781070but are the lolis skittle-flavored as well? that would be truly innovative
>>143783151
>And that is why UAB is best EVN
it really is one of the best in terms of this
it may be a sex-crazed, meme-filled political cartoon o a game, but it's certainly genuine
>>143785604
>UAB budget: €0,00
>Seduce Me 2 budget: $23,233
>>143786283
>>UAB budget: €0,00
That's impossible.
>>143786550
They did it for free. Unless you start counting opportunity costs, but then seduce me is probably way more expensive as well.
>>143786642
> free games are done for free meme
anon, stop. Time = money when you are not being paid.
>>143786720
>evn has no clue what opportunity cost means
I'm suddenly not surprised by those 30% of your income for a few tweets deals any more.
>>143780170
It's too late to change it. I'm too far into development and already had most of the artwork done before the other dev mentioned their project. I don't know what to do.
>>143780573
Same setting and theme, resulting in similar character designs, bgs, and UI. I hope the writing will be different.
>>143786720
>meme
disagreeing doesn't make it a "meme" - you're just being obnoxious
>>143787129
Just do it? You can always show the files creation date if someone doubts you. And honestly, is it even an issue? You can't be 100% original and probably you are friend with that dev because you have similar taste.
>>143787690
Yeah, thanks, hopefully it's not a big deal after all. That's probably true about the similar tastes.
>>143787129
>Same setting and theme, resulting in similar character designs, bgs, and UI.
i'm dying to know what the other game is that even the UI matches, that's some horrible luck. is it a known title or something like a shitty nano game?
>>143790456
It's probably a generic looking minimalist UI.
>>143790456
They're both full length commercial games. You'll probably know which games they are when you see the clone drop.
>>143791583
It's because the theme has clichés. This isn't it, but Imagine they were both sailor-themed. Red, white, and blue color schemes for both and the same motifs- anchors, shells, etc. That's basically what happened.
>>143793703
>They're both full length commercial games. You'll probably know which games they are when you see the clone drop.
Now watch /evn/ ask you with every new commercial release.
>>143786283
>23k for an EVN
Do it right, do it cheap. You shouldn't break $2000 for your game.
>>143798514
I spent $1K just on the music.
>>143798585
Commissioned? Don't be an idiot. Nobody wants to hear that trash. Unless it's extremely high quality, it's a waste to pay an indie composer.
>>143799158
Oh, no. That was the STOCK cost.
>>143799158
>Commissioned? Don't be an idiot. Nobody wants to hear that trash
Again with the meme?
>>143801098
There's literally no reason to commission music, unless you really want to feel like a little, special snowflake.
>>143801230
>>143801098
Commissioning music is for multi-millionaire studios that can hire serious talent and pay for large soundtracks. You're not part of the Japanese doujin culture. You're a fucking westerner that has to pay full rates for anything beyond a kid banging on his first keyboard.
>>143801547
I'm fucking my composer so I get his composing skills for free.
>>143801547
>>143801230
Do you seriously have nothing better to do on a Sunday?
>>143801837
Does he record the sound of you being slammed into the piano?
>>143802019
Comedic timing. We can make it guys.
did anyone play the daily thoughts demo for legacy of zhu
i thought it was passable but it seems like they spent a shit ton on that comic book part
>>143803592
>did anyone play the daily thoughts demo for legacy of zhu
No, even as a /u/ fag I'm not really interested in it.
huh
Post progress
Oops I forgot it's Sunday. Nevermind about the progress.
>>143813203
I wrote a 180 line sequence for a click to text indicator because it was 90 frames and it looks nice
>>143813203
I tried to kiss up to a journalist
>>143811184
I hired a writer but they are slow
Is it worth hiring Japanese voice actors for my EVN, or should I just get English ones?
>>143811184
KABOOM.
Back to square one.
>>143814274
Unless you know Japanese or are you going to hire a translator? Sounds like a waste of money.
>>143814528
I'm assuming the VAs will know enough English to translate their lines
>>143814274
>Japanese
get accused of rampant weeabooism, may run in contract/payment issues, if you can't speak jap yourself then what the fuck are you doing
>English
probably extremely shit amateurs with sound from the toilet bowl tier recordings
>>143814620
You have no idea how bad most Japanese are when it comes to English.
>>143814620
You're terribly mistaken.
>>143814620
Maybe you should have it dubbed into Swedish instead. They all speak english.
>>143816565
They would also be able to provide a translation into Arabic.
>>143816683
Make an Arabic game for Yaoi Jam, advertise it to the media as a political act
>>143817892
Forbidden love between ISIS fighters.
What's the point of EVNs when every Japanese VN is better?
>>143817892
Unless you're in the US, that will probably get you killed.
>>143819157
Instant fame!
>>143819584
The next gone home!
>>143818624
>every Japanese VN is better
>>143819157
no one in the east gets my ~vision~
>some qol or visual elements are easier in unity
>on the other hand having trouble making basic shit like dissolve animations on sprite changes work
fuck it, back to renpy
>>143819842
I guarantee I can fidn you a worse EVN than this
>>143820123
Of course you can, but so what? If the argument is that EVERY japanese VN is better, it doesn't matter if the one worst VN ever is an EVN or not.
>>143764627
What is even the point
>>143786642
>They
It was pretty much entirely done by one guy.
Which EVN are you currently waiting for?
>>143821424
Mine
>>143821542
Is anybody else waiting for it?
>>143821605
his mom
>>143821424
Sakura Dungeon
Monstergirl Fucker 9000*
Alpha's Adventures
* actual title unknown
>>143821424
ladykiller in a bind.
>>143821424
Blackgate, Date or Die and The Duenkhy.
>>143821881
4/10
>>143821886
2/10
>>143821929
-4/10
>>143822313
Might wanna tone down that nose
>>143823996
Yeah, it was good in the sketch, but the artist made it really stand out in the color for some reason.
>>143822313
and make the ear bigger
>>143824575
>it was good in the sketch
No, it wasn't.
>want to write black humor/mystery vn about a rookie detective investigating a murder
>run some ideas through my head
>realize it's an ace attorney clone
fug
>>143826591
In what way?
>>143827032
I'd rather have a decent evn ace attorney clone than yet another high school vn in not-japan.
>>143827160
The idea that I came up with was basically another Ace Attorney case, except without the puzzles and crime solving. There wouldn't even be any dialog choices.
>yet another high school vn in not-japan
So I know this is the meme, but what projects have there been recently that use this setup? Only one I can think of is NOBY.
And I mean games that are actually completed or likely to be completed, not that simply have a WIP thread on Lemma
>>143827258
Some people here seem to like kinetic novels.
>>143827449
But anon, all EVNs are set in Japanese high schools and have photographic backgrounds and use the default black box RenPy GUI. Surely this is an unalterable truth.
>>143827258
It's not really an ace attorney clone if it doesn't have the puzzles and crime solving, is it? Surely it's just a detective/courtroom drama genre story. The existence of Perry Mason doesn't mean we can't have Matlock.
>>143827070
I think the positioning of nose and mouth is wanky. Can't say more without experimenting.
>>143827449
there's aozora meikyuu and the sakura games i think.
there's alsomy game
>>143827449
>>143827710
It's the attitude of wanting to make a slice of life or young people romance at all.
>>143827449
There are a few but it's definitely not all of them.
Looking over recent releases, that futa h-game Plum Tea looks like it's fake japan. Other possible candidates:
XorceD - Sashiro's Laedrum
Lucid9
Burokku Girls? Got a random Japanese name protagonist at least
I may be missing some but this is a tiny fraction of the games released in the past couple of months
>>143828256
>Lucid9
I tried playing it why is it so terrible
>>143828023
But that's not what the complaint was, the SP douche's whine was "wah, evn writers just want to make weeby japanese knockoffs, why doesn't anyone do anything based on their own culture" when in fact MOST people don't write about japan
Being fixated on slice of life student romance is a totally separate issue. Which, yes, does get boring.
>>143828415
sekai project only cares about jvns, sob sob
>>143827958
How about now? I'm not the artist, but I am the dev. The artist works for virtually nothing, so I'm trying to iron out any kinks in their process to get great art for peanuts.
>>143827160
Have there been any attempts by western devs to clone Ace Attorney? I know that Aviary attorney exists, I thought the overall aesthetic was really cool, but the reception was lukewarm and they tried to go "non-linear" simply for the sake of differentiating themselves from ace attorney, I would argue for the worse.
>>143829072
regaria hope
>>143828856
Not them, but that is a bit better
>>143828415
Oh, that guy. Yeah, most of the japanese high school games are WIPs started by actual high schoolers that lose interest once they figure out it takes work. It doesn't stop the tropes of the genre from infecting other works though.
>>143460452
Me.
But I won't tell you who I am :^)
Give me an /evn/ with lolis that isn't Unteralterbacht. I've already played it far too many times.
>>143835741
UAB isn't even an evn, which is probably the reason why it's actually good.
I know all of you are just chatbots. Still better than real human interaction.
>>143838924
Energy refill in 4:17:38
>>143840690
Post on Facebook to get an energy refill from your friends!
*sigh*
>>143835741
Other than UAB I can't think of anything.
There was someone in here who seemed like they were making a fetish loli game in the same vein but they 're probably dead by now.
>>143843781
*farts*
Anyone know where this is from?
asked /vn/ and didnt get an answer
>>143846963
>>143847571
my little dictator, it's not finished obviously
>>143847648
Knowing it is good enough for me. Thats one more to look forward to
No rest for the wicked.
>>143851081
What do you think everyone's doing when they aren't here?
>>143853204
*fap fap fap!*
>>143853204
being useless pieces of shit
>decide to enter game jam
>pick something to base tiny story around
>tiny story needs moar context to avoid pure fluff
>story now at least 3x as large as before
>I love it
>but it is no longer tiny
>head meets desk
I guess I'll work on one route first and get that done and add the rest in if I still have time. I just keep doing this to myself and it's pissing me off that my eyes are bigger than my stomach, so to speak.
>>143856994
this happens to me every time, still yet to finish a project that's 100% my own. Maybe you too should try to team up with someone who's content writing smaller scope stories.
>>143856994
I guess you're too stupid to make a tiny, compact story. I pity anyone forced to work with you.
>>143857174
Nah - don't want to team up with anyone until I have experience.
>>143857232
My issue is that I tend to write longer pieces. Never got into micro fiction. It's a different skill set. You wouldn't say an oil painter is stupid for not being able to do pixel art.
>>143856994
Go big or go home.
>>143860519
I'll do my best. Just needed to vent.
>>143860519
But I'm already home in my basement
>>143821881
I'm making progress, but I've been waiting for the latest sprite to be finished for 2 months now, apparently my artist is busy attending an art workshop/convention abroad. In the meantime it's nice to know someone here is looking forward to AA.
How long would it take for an artist, assuming he is serious, to make around 30 backgrounds?
Asking for a friend.
>>143867992
The answer depends on numerous factors including the artist's work rate, art style, the actual content of the backgrounds, etc.
>>143867992
Depends on artist and how fast they are and how good they are and what kind of quality you're getting. A good artist who wants to make a good end product can actually take a very long time per piece. If the artist doesn't care and is trying to meet a deadline or is just inexperienced, you will get them faster, but the quality won't be as good. Good and fast is very rare, as even professional illustrators that make a living off illustration will take weeks or a month to produce a top notch piece. Professionals who go faster, usually have to paint over, or use photographs to get top detail in quick time. And this isn't even considering if they have a day job or not, which can add more wait time to getting their pieces done.
This is /evn/ though, so I suspect people will give you replies on the shorter range than the longer one. You could technically get a background done per day if you didn't have a job, could dedicate all your time to making backgrounds, painted over photos and didn't care that they were turning into literal scribbles.
>>143867992
Obviously it depends but I would be happy with one a week.
>>143868556
>>143868779
>>143869653
Hm... thanks. My friend will take that into account.
>>143867992
Anything less than 3-4 bgs a day is scam.
>>143867992
Depends on the program I guess.
As a newbie bg artist, I use 3D programs, which allows me to easily make 100+ bgs in one week assuming it's shots of the same room (incredibly useful in CGs). However, with that said, one room takes me about 1-3 weeks to make depending on the complexity i.e. number of mesh.
But do you guys know anyone who would take on 30 bgs? It'd have to be a payment rate that comes out to full-time for me, because I wouldn't have time for any other art for probably 8 months if doing 30 bgs.
>>143875282
About 8 months for 30 sound about right to me. I could only go faster if I didn't have a day job and resigned away all my free time and overworked myself. What the specifics are of the project might make it easier or harder. Like if the setting is simple and requires not so much details in certain areas or rooms, or if some of those 30 are just variations rather than entirely individual backgrounds. If they're all unique and high detail, that's going to take a ridiculous amount of time, no question.
>>143875282
>>143877886
You must be joking.
>>143878058
Depends. How shitty do you want these backgrounds to look?
>>143877886
>I could only go faster if I didn't have a day job
wait if you have a day job would you still expect to be paid a second full-time wage to do the art?
my bg artist took about 2 months to do 11 for me and i think they are full time. i consider them fast.
>>143878414
From Uncle Mugen's SketchUp drafts (e.g. Lucid9) to Makoto Shinkai-tier art (e.g. Everlasting Summer) what kind of quality are we talking about here?
>>143878286
If you need more than a week for making one like this, consider yourself fired. Unless it's a commission, not full-time payment.
>>143878351
If they work another 8 hours a day to make them, I don't see why not.
>>143878351
If I draw for others and it's not a passion project, I bill by the hour. So it would depend how much of my free time was going into drawing for them. I just don't expect an EVN group to pay me better than my day job, so I would not be quitting my day job for it. Hypothetically, if an EVN group paid me well enough to quit said day job, I could probably do 30 backgrounds in about 2-3 months of work.
But I'm also a sucker who does free work for people if I believe in them enough. It's never worth it. People treat you like shit when you don't bill them.
>>143879079
One image per week, 30 images, is roughly 8 months of work. One image per week, is 4 images per month. What's the problem?
>>143879081
Well sure but I'm finding it hard to believe someone can manage to keep up two full-time jobs at once.
>>143879079
The thing is artists need to confirm sketches and stuff before finishing any work. So even if they can finish something in 1 or 2 days, they need to wait for confirmation and that waiting time can pile up into days.
Even worse is when you have lots of corrections and the client takes forever to reply.
Don't die.
>>143878058
That factors out to just under 1 BG a week. Depending on the complexity of the BG, it can take a week or more just to do one.
>>143883386
And how much do you expect to be paid for that?
>>143883518
$70+ per piece, depending on the complexity.
>>143879727
You realize even non-artists work that much sometimes, right? It's stressful as all hell, but it's not impossible. Especially if it's in intervals and not going to be along time commitment.
>>143884145
eight months isn't a long time committment?
I know people try to work that much. Then they go nuts and end up in the hospital.
>>143884359
>Then they end up in the hospital.
That was me. And I'll probably do it again. Some people like me are just idiots, anon. Don't think about it too hard.
>>143884359
Look through some fluff news pieces sometime. You'll find dozens of college students working two jobs to put themselves through college earning awards and shit, not hospital visits.
>>143884979
I'd guess the people who get a hospital visit instead of awards just don't get any articles written about them.
>>143885104
The point was it's nowhere near as impossible as they seem to think.
>>143886256
Of course it's not impossible, but a lot of things aren't impossible and are still unlikely (or in this case unlikely to work out well)
The college students I know who tried to work fulltime jobs while being fulltime students ended up flunking out because they were too tired to focus on their schoolwork. As for regular people working multiple jobs, in the game industry we have crunch time and all its associated horror stories, and in normal news you get all those tales of people passing out at the wheels of their cars and killing someone due to trying to work two fulltime jobs.
Basically if an artist told me they had a day job AND wanted to work eight hours a day on my art for eight months, I wouldn't hire them, it sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
How important is optimizing code? As in, other than the overall file size of the game, will anyone actually care if I use layers for sprites vs showing a whole new sprite for each expression/pose change?
>>143886612
These hypothetical questions are fun, so I must go on. All this talk made me curious where other anons draw the line.
I know this conversation started because someone said "full time", but realistically, you're never going to pay someone a flat daily rate, but by the hours they work for you, or on their individual pieces. So, would you be okay with them going slower due to their personal time constraints/other job, in order for them to not work themselves to death, or would you hire an entirely different artist just to save time?
Would the quality of their work change your opinion any? If, hypothetically, they were the most incredible artist you ever saw and affordability wasn't an issue, but they just couldn't quit their day job and were slower than others because of it, and weren't going to work themselves to death, would the quality of their work change your answer any?
I'm just curious, if you like someones work, how slow is too slow before you opt out for a faster artist? Other anons can answer this too, I'm curious at which point it is that people give artists the boot in these kinds of projects.
>>143887565
No one who matters will care.
>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dharkerstudio/the-bounce-visual-novel-series
the shitbag is back to his old tricks on kickstarter. seems he's not doing 30 days
>>143891474
goddamn britbongs
>>143888835
>if you like someones work, how slow is too slow before you opt out for a faster artist?
Mmm. If I like someone's work enough, their slowness gets a lot of leeway as long as they keep me informed and get things done in roughly the time they say they will. If they're slow but reliable, I can plan ahead and work on other things while waiting for them to finish.
I'm only going to panic and seek another artist if they're inconsistently slow. If they keep falling further behind, promising to make it up later, or going in and out of contact and so on.
>>143887565
Two posters on EVN who decompile your code will give you shit for doing it wrong. Your users will not care as long as it works.
>>143888835
I don't mind slow as long as the artist is reliable, aka will eventually finish. I'd probably be ok waiting up to 2 years for 30 bgs. But I wouldn't ask for 30 in the first place, unless they were very simple, paint-overs, or mostly variations of each other. A hobbyist artist is likely to burn out or disappear, and a professional artist would need to be compensated enough to make up for all their time going to one client (keeping in mind that a 3rd world artist will have a different concept of what is enough pay to make it worthwhile).
I'm the one who mentioned full-time, but I didn't mean salary. I meant hourly or per piece.
>>143894820
>third world
This is the key. Never hire from 'white' countries for anything, because they'll want hilarious rates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_P937rIdN0
>>143895223
Let's settle this once and for all: are point and click games just VNs with gameplay?
>>143895169
I don't their rates are hilarious. Anon above who quoted $70 per bg would make $2100 in 8 months. That's not enough to live on in a lot of places. They'd make more burger flipping. I know evns can't afford higher, though.
>>143898252
Don't think*
>>143898392
>tfw I know my bg isn't worth $30 (including night/day variations)
>expect people to make offers of $15
>Guy in lemma offered me $50
I'd normally take it in a heartbeat, but I know for a fact (based on his messages and comments) that he's most likely one of those guys who won't be able to pull through and just end up with an unfinished project. Should I milk him for all it's worth (he's asking for 4 interior scenes. I can't do exterior scenes yet, i.e. w/ clouds and trees, so he's looking for another BG artist for that).
>>143896008
VNs did derive from adventure games. A lot of really old shitty VNs are still trying to be point-and-click without the point-and-click.
>>143901051
Do you want to be paid or do you want the 'status' of having your work used in a game?
>>143901390
They probably want both.
>>143901051
If you're okay with it not being finished. If you're only doing it for the money, then you better make sure he pays at least partly upfront, because he can say any high number he wants and not follow through. I believe you should try to get 2 of these 3 things with any job you take:
>fun
>money
>name (something that will look good on your resume)
>>143905153
He could always include a clause that lets him put the work in his portfolio even if the game doesn't get completed.
Are there any new otome EVN's worth playing or waiting for?
>>143910652
how new we talking? 7kpp is amazing
>>143911304
not that anon but I'm still butthurt about the weird art. It's a disservice to the writing.
>>143911449
beauty is in the beholder and all that.
>>143911449
it gets easier to ignore after you read a while. the fanbase is already so insane from just a demo
>>143910652
C14 Dating
>>143912510
>the fanbase is already so insane from just a demo
going from some of the asks the dev gets, I'd say it's baby's first otome for a lot of them.
>>143911304
Probably from last year until now?
Even short games are fine, I just want art that's similar to actual japanese otome games.
>>143912932
In that case, I'd play "Lads in distress".
>>143911304
>7kpp
How's the alpha?
>>143913712
this
i wanted to play the original demo but i just could not get past the ui
>>143912932
i guess some of dejis recent offerings like c14 and caramel mokaccino. or go play some actual japanese otome games that got translations.
>>143913712
i'm in the alpha but i haven't played it, sorry. from the comments i've seen it gets even better with lots of twists.
>>143914243
>>143912514
I can't put my finger on it, but something about Deji's art makes it look inexplicably western and non-asian.
>>143914532
No variation in female body types?
>>143915037
It's not like a lot of Japanese artists don't draw the same body type over and over again.
>>143915037
The faces.
>>143914532
when was the last time that a blond anime guy in an otome looked asian?
>>143915037
Nah, that's in jap art too.
>>143915334
Most japanese VNs have the titty monster type, the normal body, the loli, and the semi-flat woman.
Deji's all look the same, just slightly stretched if the character is supposed ot be tall.
>>143915457
Plenty. They look like blond asians.
And that's saying a lot since otome guys usually all look the same with only hair color variations. Deji's just have something that looks more like it would fit in a cartoon rather than anime.
>>143915508
Wouldn't that be more an indication of lack of skill, rather than her style being western?
>>143915864
>Plenty. They look like blond asians.
Post just one squinty eyed blonde from an otome game.
>>143916061
I'd say it indicates laziness, isn't Deji from South America? Is SA even considered to belong to western civilization?
>>143916276
>implying Asians would ever portray themselves as they really are
The usual style you see in anime is how Asians think they look like, it's why every other race has significant distinctions (ex: westerners having big noses and smaller eyes, blacks having big lips etc.) .
>>143916576
So they don't look like asians is what you're saying.
>>143916276
>>143915508
I don't know, I'm don't even like her work that much but I think deji's characters have a lot more variation than we see in some jp vns
It's just that I've seen some jp vns that had only 'loli type' characters or maybe only 'massive gigantic tits' characters.
I guess it really depends on the vns we are talking about...?
>>143916530
I don't know, are all people who are bad at something lazy?
I think her and her audience like a particular kind of aesthetic (big eyes, :D faces, small noses, bright colors) and don't deviate from that. Whether it's laziness or just taste is hard to say.
>>143916717
Exactly. They don't look like real asians, but rather their portrayal of themselves.
What I'm saying is that Deji's art looks significantly more western than say >>143916727
It might be because of all of the variations in character designs and the slightly more "rounded" look to them.
>>143916727
That's just a gentle hooded eyes character, not an asian squint.
>>143916831
>I don't know, are all people who are bad at something lazy?
Who says Deji's that bad? The guys have very varied body types, while the female characters look like they're were produced in some kind of swf character creator.
>>143916993
The uncanny-valley esque 'western' look, even for an image nigh-identical to a japanese artist's, is caused by the way they draw lines. It's the very selective thickness and darkness that come together to make an anime drawing look "eastern," a talent probably gained from their writing system. Western languages don't emphasize any delicate form.
Unless you're hyper aware of mimicking that technique when drawing, you won't produce anything more than a mildly convincing substitute.
>>143917324
They are clearly meant to be at least somewhat squinty - almost everyone in the cast in drawn in that style.
>>143917389
>The guys have very varied body types,
I really dislike her guys. Anything else that 20-something guys with middle/long hair come out really weird.
Compare these two guys, what's the difference?
>>143917902
the left has frog lips and the right is the product of the creator's bad sense of character design
>>143917902
the chin is the first difference that really stood out to me
>>143917902
The left one would get angry if you asked to do butt stuff but the right one would be spineless and fold immediately.
>>143917902
both the overall shape of the face and the line weight.
>>143917902
gigantic ears on the left?
>>143917902
Left looks softer in coloring but sharper in features while the right is the opposite.
>>143917613
Of course, it could just be N-rays.
>>143917613
sounds like a whole pile of bs
>>143917902
Right has lip gloss, left does't.
Left mouth is off center, right is mostly centered.
Right has a potato stuck to her face and a ear. Right has an acceptable ear.
Left's eyes' axis is kind of rotated, right has weird eyes period.
>>143918767
I agree with that person about the thick dark lines with no variation in line width.
It's also the Mark Crilley color palette. Mostly the face though. It reminds me of those How to Draw Manga books written by westerners that look like an imitation of manga rather than the real thing.
Does this look western or asian?
>>143919418
Looks hella gay
>>143919418
Bad asian. Probably some filthy korean.
>>143919418
Deviantart.
>>143919418
SEAsian I'm betting.
>>143919406
I suppose real manga and anime styles must originate in Japan in order to be authentic huh
>>143919406
found the weeb
>>143919975
But it's true. That's exactly what Deji's art looks like. Also, that one evn otome with the purple braided hair girl as the MC, I forget its name, is also an example with very westernized Mark Crilley anime art.
>>143879079
I have yet to see a single evn that uses non-stock backgrounds that looks even remotely that nice.
>>143919835
You can get defensive, but it's pretty much the truth. Don't bother trying to imitate something you naturally can not do. Hire a japanese artist if you absolutely must have that style, or go for a hyper-stylized western look or realism. Either way, you will have to put in more work to get quality character art for an EVN than those in the japanese scene.
>>143920397
weeb
Is there ANY completely western artist that managed to perfectly imitate Japanese VN art?
>>143920663
I'm interested in this too.
>>143920397
maybe you need to go back to /vn/
>>143920663
http://kl-chan.deviantart.com/
>>143920663
http://myanimelist.net/people/4212/Yuu_Kamiya
I don't know, I actually prefer westernized anime style over original anime style ...Just not Deji's.
>>143921223
>moved to Japan at the age of 7
Stop.
Since I'm a fucking autist, I went through a few of the LS WIP threads to collect a variety of similar looking guys to see which style would be considered more "Asian".
I'm actually interested in this particular topic since I don't want to draw some Mark Crilley shit.
>>143920663
>completely imitate Japanese VN art
What you mean is to completely imitate generic Japanese VN art. Japs have plenty of variations in their style, plenty of which could easily be construed as "western" if people didn't already know otherwise.
People who get anal about an artist's nationality in determining what's "authentic" are autistic.
>>143921404
Well, at least that means it is not genetic and anyone can force-dweeb themselves if autistic enough :^)
everyone thought wanaca was from japan
>>143921704
If you grow up in Japan writing in Japanese. Otherwise you'll have a completely different type of linework ingrained into you.
>>143921921
Then what about Chinese? Right, can't write those characters like those Japanese right?
>>143921587
They may all be in an anime style, but most of those are just somewhat poorly drawn. I'd say the Daniel Moore and Ryuto characters are of a bit better quality, and therefore share a much stronger resemblance to what people typically expect to see from Japan.
>>143921587
I don't know, but I'd fuck both guys on the bottom and Daniel.
>>143920663
Winged Cloud for one. Tao's art has been mistaken for Japanese a few times.
>>143922095
I have no idea what a Chinese attempt looks like, but I imagine they could if the communist party allowed it.
>>143922474
Have you heard of immigration.
>>143921921
Have you actually ever seen a Japanese person's handwriting?
>>143922398
Something about Winged Cloud's art is iffy to me. It looks like a poor man's JVN.
>>143922834
So, like Demon Master Chris then? Doujin vns tend not to have as good of art.
>>143922980
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but Demon Master Chris' art looks like it was by the exact same artist.
>>143922623
You don't always write in cursive, but you know how.
>>143922579
They'd have to be first gen or raised primarily on kanji. I wouldn't know where to look for such a person who is trying anime.
>>143921587
First guy looks completely western.
Aldrich's coloring is good but his face looks strange.
The head next to Aldrich's coloring looks like they overused the burn tool. He reminds me of Mamoru from SM.
Daniel looks good, but reminds me of a Korean.
Age: 19 looks pretty western.
What the fuck is going on with the purple haired guy's head?
Aizawa looks shiny as fuck and I can't tell where his nose is.
Ryuto's colors look fine but his face has the same problem as Aizawa.
>>143922834
It's good enough for me. Better than most Key sprites.
>>143923315
I assume you're talking about calligraphy. That's not Japanese cursive, it's a proper art form and it's not something everyone knows how to do well.
>>143921868
except now that they know otherwise they will insist that it was always obvious
Do EVNs that aren't dating sims sell? Does anyone care if there's no romance? Not that it would stop me, just wondering.
>>143921868
Everybody thought Sakura Spirit was Japanese. I remember the first /v/ threads where people complained about the translation quality.
>>143924725
Classic /v/
>>143921868
Looking at their deviantart I don't see how. Usually the people who care about that sort of thing are pretty good at spotting it.
I guess the nationality of an artist is important to whether your evn will sell or not, amiright?
>>143924710
>Do EVNs that aren't dating sims sell?
Loren did sell well but that was ages ago.
>Does anyone care if there's no romance?
I think it's much easier to stomach a mediocre VN with romance than it is without. A romance option honestly feels like almost a requirement at this point.
But that might be because very few VNs that are available in English are about stuff where romance isn't a central plot point. I'd definitely read IHNMAIMS as a VN (I'd actually love to see that with decent production values), or Song of Saya without the sex scenes.
>>143925384
Unfortunately, probably.
>>143925429
>I'd definitely read IHNMAIMS as a VN
It's already an adventure game so we're done here.
>>143924710
Romance is almost a requirement.
>>143925429
99% of EVNs are 'me too' projects trying to make something like their favorite JVN or anime. So we get a lot of romance. It's kind of strange that there's not as much mystery floating around, since some of the huge entry JVNs are mysteries, like WtC, AA, ZE, DR, etc.
>>143925653
It's a pretty bad adventure game.
>>143925429
>IHNMAIMS
> not wanting to romance AM
>>143925443
Yeah, let me hire any Japanese artist, I'm sure it's in their education that'll sell me my evn. I'll sell by boasting that my artist is Japanese. The money will tell me the truth.
>>143925429
People also tend to prefer multiple romance options. I know people who refused to buy or dropped a vn because they didn't like the love interest.
>>143924710
not categorically
you need some kind of hook if you don't
I'm planning a half-measure by having optional sexual tension building scenes in lieu of actual routes
I think simply having sufficiently good waifus could carry a VN even if they don't get fucked
>>143925919
Their art will speak for itself.
>>143925894
>VN that let's you date not-AM, not-Shodan, and not-Glados
Yes, please.
>>143925939
>I know people who refused to buy or dropped a vn because they didn't like the love interest.
If a major theme of the game is getting with them and I hated them, I'd drop it too. Slightly related, but I won't finish Life is Strange because the whole point of the game is to save a person I would rather see deadand she even ends up dead in the proper ending so there's no point in me suffering through it all.
Sometimes I really want to share my art here and ask for constructive criticism (especially since lemma's comments are usually just 'looks good!' and etc which don't help much) but I also want to keep being anon.
>>143926078
If their art will speak for themselves, why bother with the fact that they're Japanese?
>>143926464
Nobody cares who you are. Just post it.
>>143926465
Because their art will speak Japanese, duh.
>>143925384
How would you rate me on the japanese-o-meter?What if I told you I was japanese?
>>143926464
go to /ic/? get some art friends?
>>143925847
>It's kind of strange that there's not as much mystery floating around
Mystery is a lot harder to write than romance. Everyone has emotions, not everyone has the brains to create an interesting mystery.
>>143926464
If you're looking for good constructive feedback, this isn't the right place to begin with. You're more likely to get shit flung at you than anything useful. Even /ic/ is nicer.
>>143926695
Do you visit /hgg/ too? I think I remember that art style from a chat we had there a few months ago.
>>143926292
if you keep it at 3 LIs, you'd even make it a IHNMAIMS game reference and have the plot be about them trying to get the MC to cooperate with them to bring down the other 2 and become the dominant AI.
>>143926695
Looks japanese, with a severe case of ANATOMY
>>143926801
I'd argue that a convincing romance is way harder. All a mystery needs is something the audience doesn't know, something they think they know, and something you pull the sheet off at the end.
>>143926695
I'd tell you to go back toウンターアルターバッハ
>>143927143
Was it 2 minor other AIs? AM as the one from burger land, and then one each from vodka country and the rice nation?
>>143926695
Ugly forehead, unnatural haircolor and thick eyebrows. Checks out on the bad-things-Japan thinks-is-moe scale. You've got a bonafide Japanese character design on your hands!I'm sorry, I just can't stand her design. Art style's fine though. Like someone told you before the coloring looks like something you'd see in a full color h-manga.
>>143927356
>Was it 2 minor other AIs? AM as the one from burger land, and then one each from vodka country and the rice nation?
Yes. AM absorbs them and they become the Ego/SuperEgo/Id.
Later on, the Russian and Chinese computers ask the player to help them take down AM so that they can become the dominant personality.
>>143927497
My recollection of the game is rather sketchy but I never understood why AM was so incredibly upset. I remember something about being imprisoned inside the earth until th eheat death of the universe but you'd think a computer who has such complete control of reality that he can materialize objects out of thin air would move on at some point.He's also the only murderous AI I can think of that's well known and male. I think Marathon had one as well but those games are quite obscure.
Page 9. Some of you fine ladies of gentlemen please make a new thread. I'd do it, but I have to feed the artists I keep cautive in my basement or they are going to die.
>>143927873
You can't tell me what to do.
>>143927856
I think the common interpretations are that it's either all a simulation and the people have been uploaded without them realizing it, or "moving on" is simply beyond its programming.
>>143928117
You mean killing humans is so ingrained in AM's programming that it keeps the last 5 around because it realizes how much more horrible its own existence would become once they're finally gone.That would make a lot of sense considering who wrote the book.
I really need to play the adventure game again.
>>143927394
But foreheads are cute!
>>143928006
Do it dammit, or I swear to God I'll do a "every Japanese VN is better" edition!
>>143928575
Basically that. It was created to kill humans, if it kills the last 5 then it would have to face the futility of its own existence.
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