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first for speed traitors
It's kind of coincidental how like in most shmups bees are evil
>>143256937
>>143256937
bees are evil irl too
>>143256937
Well memed my friend among the most sacred of STG cult memes.
>>143256937
What about Twinbee?
>>143256937
Such as?
>>143256906
>first for speed traitors
Has Aquas been dogging your sister or something?
>>143264474
Dodonpachi, dodonpachi daifukkatsu, dodonpachi saidaioujou...
Why are all western players such attention whores?
>>143269257
Gonna need some namedrops senpai
>>143269437
Literally every western "top-player" does streams, has a youtube channel, posts on the farm, etc
Japanese players just go to arcades and thats it.
>>143269652
Japanese players have arcades to go to
>>143269652
Whoa, literally every western top player does community things. Savages!
>>143269652
If western players didn't do that they would have no one to communicate with ya fucking dunce
>>143269652
so what ur saying is
>western "top-players" show everyone how they practice, share their replays and share information online
>Japanese top players don't want their secrets to leave their precious arcades
this is a slight against westies how?
>>143269835
Why would you need someone to communicate? Are you that desperate for attention?
>>143269962
He says while communicating with other players in a shooting game general.
>>143269962
Makes thing more fun, less lonely, more motivation. Do you think the Japanese don't communicate with others?
>>143270061
I barely post here, dick face. This site can gladly die imo.
>>143270147
They do communicate in the arcades, but they don't create jewtube channels and streams just to show off.
>>143270162
Do everyone a favour and turn that 'barely' into 'never'.
>>143270162
post your scores
>>143269962
>>143270301
address this right this instant >>143269959
>>143270301
The japanese only play in arcades to show off to their friends
>>143270384
That's bullshit. Any superplay will get attention anyway, no matter if the player has a youtube channel or not.
In contrary to western players, Japanese players are so good they get attention without even asking for it.
>De-rhy-us
>gray-dius
>>143271307
more like gaydius lmao
>>143271307
Da ree us
Grey dee us
Those are both supposed to be pronounced the Roman way, right? I imagine Gradius would be pronounced exactly like Gladius in Japanese though so I might be saying it wrong.
>>143270532
>Japanese players are so good they get attention without even asking for it.
then why do they submit their scores to magazines and have them posted on the wall of their arcades??
The need to communicate is human. Just, what the hell.
>>143273797
>pls notice me senpai
Are you a little girl?
>>143268989
... thank you for the list of evil bees in shmups.
And shmupg went full retard again, thanks. >>143269257
>>143269652
I'm out of here.
>>143274427
Sorry, we took /v/ calling us a hugbox too hard.pls come back ;-;
>>143274427
>being this sensitive
Go and hug your touhou pillow, Jaimers.
>>143271307
gradius gaiden's pronounciation of it is fucking horrible
>planet GROH-DEE-YUS
>>143269652
If not uploading on YouTube or streaming, how are you going to share recordings of your runs? Input files and replays are not as convenient, the game may not have them, or MAME could decide to desync on you.
Japs in arcades seldom stream because they're playing on a public use cab with no access to a streaming setup. As for uploading runs, many arcades prohibit players from releasing replays and ban them for doing it.
which 2hu pillow wud u hug
>>143274991
>many arcades prohibit players from releasing replays and ban them for doing it.
Perhaps if you play in fucking america, but stop pulling shit out of your arse
>>143274991
twitch tv/matmousetwitch
twitch tv/matmouse_kp
ustream.tv/channel/taito-hey
>high-bachi
>>143275575
>dankdankpachi
tfw you play for 3 hours and don't even get to stage 4 once
If you go to the arcade to play you have a lot of communication there and can afford not to give a shit about much else.
>>143274427
This place does seem like it's getting stupider. I've been coming here less often lately, too.
>>143274581
Are you kidding? This isn't a matter of "ow my feelings", some idiot is essentially asking "durr why does this genre try to have a community, they're such attention whores".
Jesus. I don't expect people to get along all the time but these arguments are reaching such moronic levels that it's almost not worth sifting through anymore.
>>143270301
God forbid the possibility of exposing new players to shmup games, spreading interest in the genre to others, and potentially helping other shmup players learn to play better or sparking their interests in other shmups to play.
Oh wait, shmup players genuinely hate new blood because of our raging elitism and endless fanbase splits between games and/or companies. Instead of maybe trying to help new players get better, let's just chastise them for not being able to meet our standards of a "good" player and discourage them from even trying to better themselves. I'm going to cut this short before it evokes the "effort vs. talent" or whatever argument that we have every two weeks here.
I try to stay positive and help people, but sometimes I just can't help but fucking hate the shmup community and its attitude towards things.
many top japanese players have little cliques that they practice and share strategies with. they don't want other people to figure out their secrets.
a lot of great japanese players stream, upload videos and post their stuff on twitter too. that nigga in this thread is retarded.
>>143276759
People don't post their scores to help others, they post them to show off, shut up Casper.
What's wrong with love pillows?
>>143277107
They can't love you back
>>143277429
But your mom can
>>143277429
Pythagoras beg to differ.
>>143277638
>Pythagoras
Fuck I meant Pygmalion.
>>143277050
You can feel free to start addressing anything that I actually said in my post.
>>143277823
Pythagoras would just get two and end up with a love triangle.
>>143278069
I already addressed your whinings. Also, not my problem if you retards are so easily baited here.
>>143279258
>>143279512
well memed
>>143279512
sums up the last 2 hours of this thread desu
>>143279258
You didn't, but whatever. I'm done here. The sooner this line of stupidity ends, the better.
>>143279512
>fuck off retard
Naw, more like "abloobloo why are you so dumb, this is incredible, I can't stop whining about how fucking awful you are, abloobloobloo, REEEEEEE".
I just wanted to talk about giant robotic fish
>>143280443
shmup culture guys
I just played Tyrian, someone on /v/ recommended I play Raptor: Call of the Shadows. Which version is best, the 94 version or the 2015 one? What are some other good Babby's first SHMUPs?
>>143280443
fuck off retard
>>143280824
>What are some other good Babby's first SHMUPs?
Cho Ren Sha 68K gives you a lot of resources and it has a shield power-up so you have a bigger room for error.
>>143280824
>playing western shit
>ever
>especially in the year 2016
how could you fuck up so badly?
This is the most retarded statement I've ever seen.
>Literally every western "top-player" does streams, has a youtube channel, posts on the farm, etc
OF FUCKING COURSE THEY DO. Because if they didn't, you wouldn't be seeing them in the first place.
In other words, if there are great western players who don't make their presence known online, you wouldn't know about their existence.
>>143281887
meant for >>143269652
>tyrian
One healthbar wasn't casual enough so we gave you two.
>>143281887
Sort of like Schrodingers cat?
>>143281887
how can great western players be real if the internet isn't real
>>143283391
If internet isn't real how can your post exist in the first place?
>>143282906
I don't know about Schrodingers cat, but my point was that you can't use something you see to prove that, that which you don't see doesn't exist.
They're simply not correlated. Things exist even when you don't see them after all. Or something like that, maybe I'm making this too complicated
wow no wonder no one comes to /vg/, you guys are all fucking faggots
>>143284712
Sort of like how you don't know whether the cats in the box or not?
>>143284716
nice cartoon
>>143284716
We have to act that way to keep the thread alive though
>>143284890
I guess you can compare it that way?
>>143289047
This hurts my eyes more than Mecha Ritz bad ending.
>>143289276
Train your eyes!
>>143280170
pls don't leave, I like your posts.
>>143273797
So is the need to shitpost.
>>143280824
Not as particularly well versed with Western-style shmups, but Cho Ren Sha, Blue Wish Resurrection+ and Batsugun Special Version are all really good for beginners. The first two are doujin games and can be found pretty easy, Batsugun Special is an arcade game but it should be in the MAME pack in the OP.
tfw you won't be ready to do runs for at least another few months. Have to get consistent on everything first.
>>143290201
Excuse me, but I haven't shitposted in my entire life.
>>143281072
Kill yourself weeaboo.
>>143291349
What sort of wacko run are you going for with that, anon?
>>143284716
Welcome to dead generals doing their best to stay afloat amidst generals that have to be remade 3-4 times a day. And besides that, all video game boards on this site are hot garbage so I don't know what you're expecting.
>>143291760
Sort of like Schrodingers Cat?
>>143291827
Dude, did you hit a time loop or something?
>>143281072
reminder to Grab Youre Joystick into the Ke-tsu-no-ana!!!
in 8 hours
This thread is shit, please make another one!
>>143292394
The thread is alive and dead at the same time like Schrodingers Cat
Is there any trick to learn to dodge in Crimzon Clover? I can't dodge for shit in this game, because the player sprite is so huge, yet the hitbox so small. I always have to keep my eyes exactly on my ship to actually see where my hitbox is, but if I do this, I can't see the bullets coming.
>>143294235
Fuck off back to /jp/, retard.
Also, that would pretty much show that shmupg is easily trolled into tomfoolery just by a few posts. You want to be better than the farm, don't you?
>>143294863
Give it 20 hours of playtime. Otherwise you may have to accept that you are talented in the negative.
>>143294863
I had this problem too, I just pretend the ship edge is the hit box now. Hell you only need precise hit box on Unlimited!
>>143294863
Get someone to feed you food when you dodge sucessfully, and you'll start drooling when you dodge successfully even without the food
>>143295039
It's not my fault CAVE ruined shmups with their retarded designs. In Battle Garegga for example, I also have no problem with dodging.
>>143294863
The glowing dot in the middle of your ship is your hitbox. Keep looking at the glowing dot until you can tell where it is without staring exactly at it.
>>143295204
Hey, it's OK man, plenty of shooting games have full-frame hitboxes.
>>143295132
I try to play the game for score, and if you play it for score, you damn well need precision in it.
>>143295204
are you kraut-kun by any chance?
>>143294863
Game does have a lot aimed shots, and you get a shitload of bombs if you're not worried about score.
>>143294863
Hitbox on Type-III is hard to see honestly. Color is similar to the sprite and you have gold stars flying everywhere
>>143295204
BLASTED CAVE, CONTINUALLY RELEASING SHMUPS WHEN EVERYONE ELSE MOVED ON. RUINED MUH DEAD GAY GENRE..
>>143295653
Of course I play it for score. CC is one of these games, where playing for survival feels wrong. Kinda like Ikaruga.
>>143295851
Or like Schrodingers Cat?
I'm pretty hyped for the incoming Kraut-kun CCWI superplay.
>>143296298
It's called Schrödinger, not Schrodinger, dumbass.
>Cave will never release a methodical masterpiece
>>143297413
You mean SDOJ?
>>143297413
Just make more bullets
anyone here know what shmup this is?
>>143297695
Looks like doujinshit.
>>143296428
not everyone has a third world keyboard bruv
>>143295558
You don't. You need accuracy to go through bullets? But CC isn't like 2hu with slow bullets, everything is fast you only need to tap slightly most of the time.
>>143300068
post ur scores
>>143300415
You first
>>143299708
>Sweden
>third world
>>143300493
>anywhere but the United States of America and Glorious Nippon
>not third world
GUys HOW DO I BEAT DODONPACHI
>>143301178
>pick C-S
>spam bomb
>win the videogame
>>143301178
shoot the enemies and avoid the bullets when they're about to hit you
>>143301178
JUST PLAY IT FOR 500 HOURS
>>143302165
This
if you can't 2-ALL with 500+ million after 500 hours it's time to reconsider life choices
>it's a "the game forces you to go through a boring first loop to get to an actual interesting difficulty instead of offering difficulty modes" episode
>>143302165
I feel like this was spoken to mock, but it's not. It's what you need to do.
>>143302341
>it's yet another "completed the first loop a million times but still manage to fuck it up terribly" episode
>>143302341
>it's a "the game punishes you for shooting in a shooting game" episode
>>143303238
>people think yagawa's games are actually good
it's the funniest joke
>finally can do perfect circles after 4 months of keyboard
ok
>>143304248
>using a memeboard
>>143304318
I only play doujin shmups!
>>143304619
i'm sorry
>>143300068
CC also has lots of slow, static bullet patterns, except for Boost mode perhaps.
>>143303238
Yagawa games don't punish you for shooting, they punish you for bad aiming, which fits very well to a shooting game. If you wouldn't shoot at all, you easily would die. It's about good aiming.
>>143305761
>he thinks that playing poorly emulated shmups at home can even remotely compare to going to the arcade to play with the japs
>>143310274
>not playing your shmups on a poorly coded n64 emulator
shit nigga its what all the superplayers do
>>143310274
>go to arcade in japan as a filthy gaijin
>entire place is staring you down
>head over and start scoring you're favorite shmup
>doing really well, just about to make the cab's leaderboard
>suddenly a hand reaches out and grabs your left hand
>can't control your ship
>try to resist but it's too late
>game over
>look slowly around the arcade
>everyone has stopped playing and is now staring straight at you
>the jap that stopped you shakes his head and slowly walks away
>someone trips you on the way out
gaijin must not score
>>143311108
>tfw it's penis inspection day at the game center
>tfw go to a jappo arcade, top the scoreboard on my first credit, then go out and fuck some jap slags
what are some good entry level shmups?
>>143320598
Games with babby modes, like Mushihimesama, or Crimzon Clover. Ikaruga is also very beginner friendly if you just play for survival at lower difficulties.
>>143320598
sdoj
>>143320598
Blue wish Resurrection plus
>>143320782
>>143320787
>>143320792
Reeee none of these are available for freee
>>143320946
blue wish resurrection plus is freeware
download mame and dodonpachi
>>143320946
If you want to emulate, you could play Battel Garegga. It's tough, but much more fair than modern danmaku garbage. Otherwise play R-Type Leo. That one is really kinda easy.
Generally play whatever you want, just stay away from Cave games, because they are just ridiculously difficult and unfair.
>>143321250
>le cave is hard meme
they have games that are baby easy and games that are impossibly hard and everything in between
cave owns bitch
>>143321567
>they have games that are baby easy
For example? I can't think of any game they have which is "easy". Even their easiest shit like Deathsmiles is already completely unfair compared to a lot of other games.
>>143321250
Are the other R-Types worth checking out?
>>143321725
esp games, guwange
>>143321725
playing deathsmiles purely for survival is easy as fuck bruv
>>143321896
Sure, if you have no problem with playing older games. R-Type is always good and also fair. It's hard but you constantly learn and make progress in it.
>>143321953
Post your 2-all scores then pls.
>>143322039
I haven't played the game much, but the later levels can get pretty ridiculous with the bullet count. May be that it is easy for pros, but it's still bullet hell, and I wouldn't recommend a bullet hell game to a beginner.
>>143291615
Imperishable Night easy 1cc
>>143321250
Battel Garegga is dope af thanks man
>>143322053
those games don't loop, retard
>>143324069
Post your 1cc then, if they are so easy.
>>143321250
The fuck? Garegga is harder to clear than most 1-all in Cave games.
>>143302793
for a 1-all? nah more like 10
>>143325790
1-Alling a game is also not clearing it, noob. No sane person would be satisfied with a 1-All.
what do yall think about ketsui?
>>143269652
>he doesn't enjoy watching streams and replays
>>143327636
>he falls for bait posted 10 hours ago
>>143327574
It's really hard.
>>143327423
Then the same should apply to garegga you retarded cunt, which had a extended mode and a harder mode. Those stuff are optional unless you are an autist.
>>143327574
Kitsui Ketsui
>>143327954
>not clearing pink sweets extended
>>143327954
2 loops are not optional. The game clearly doesn't end after the first loop, does it?
A game ends after clearing a normal mode though. You also don't see people clearing a 1st loop, and then quitting the game.
>>143327574
It's fucking gay.
Got some nice flow tho.
>>143328190
>2 loops are not optional. The game clearly doesn't end after the first loop, does it?
They are though retard, the ending of the game is shown on the first loop and Cave games stop there if you didn't meet the basement dweller requirements. Hell in other companies you can reach 2nd loop by credit-feeding and it's just referred as a "extra/special round", nothing else.
Second loops were only mean for smelly otakucks that spent $10000 on an arcade machine.
>>143328632
No, second loops are meant for people who actually play the game.
It's something totally different than optional normal or hard modes.
If you want to play a 2 loop game for score, you MUST play the second loop too.
If you want to play a game with only a single loop for score though, you can either chose to focus on normal or hard mode.
>>143328632
>>143328936
Also, notice how you only put in your initials after the second loop or when you game over.
In Battle Garegga I don't have to play 2 loops to be put in my initials without a game over.
>>143328936
>No, second loops are meant for people who actually play the game.
Funny because you can credit-feed 2nd loops in pretty much any non-cave game you cuck.
You can also play Garegga extended for a higher score if you want, but nobody does it because it seems that Garegga/raizing fans aren't as retarded as Cave fans.
>>143328140
now without the infintie bud
>>143327574
overrated meme game but it's still good
>>143329310
>Funny because you can credit-feed 2nd loops in pretty much any non-cave game you cuck.
When you credit-feed your score gets set back though. And score is pretty much what shmups are all about.
>it seems that Garegga/raizing fans aren't as retarded as Cave fans
No, they don't do it, because it's optional to do a 2 loop run. You don't have to do 2 loops in Garegga to put in your initials. 2 loops are just an optional mode on the site.
In Cave games however, 2 loops are mostly not optional. You must play 2 loops to put in your initials.
>>143330189
in cave games you can put in your initials whenever you beat a score on the in game scoreboards, which by default are low as fuck
idk wtf you're talking about bruv.
>there are anons on this thread RIGHT KNOW who use crutches like bombs, autofire and/or savestates
>>143330340
Sure if you get a game over, cause you died. That's not clearing the game though.
You have to play 2 loops to really clear the game and put in your initials.
>>143330493
or you can not meet the loop conditions, 1 all, beat the game and enter your initials
>>143330486
There's nothing wrong with bomb spamming the final boss.
>>143330493
If you're gonna get autistic about this, then the ultimate argument which destroys all other arguments, is the presence of the credit roll only after a 2-ALL.
You can all go home now.
>>143328140
>not beating ibara on unbelievable/unforgettable
>>143330641
How can you truely beat the game if you didn't even destroy the TLB?
Also this >>143330735
>>143330189
You can put your initials with a game over or a 1-all, have you even played these games retard?
>And score is pretty much what shmups are all about.
Maybe if you are a narrow-minded cuck that play like only 3 Cave games at most. In Psikyo games scoring is all about survival due to the big bonuses. Plenty of great classics didn't even have a complex scoring system, your appreciation for the genre if pretty limited if you want every game to be cave shit.
>>143330839
TLB is the least they could do for the lack of content in a second loop, not to mention in some Cave games like DOJ BL you can beat Hibachi in the first loop..
>>143330976
>>And score is pretty much what shmups are all about.
>Maybe if you are a narrow-minded cuck
no you're just a casual lmao
>>143327574
It's actually pretty cool for a Cave game, but the difficulty is too ridiculous.
>>143330976
>Maybe if you are a narrow-minded cuck
No, I'm just npot a fucking casual like you obviously. Why do you think shmup have leaderboards? Because they are about scores. With a 1-all in a 2 loop game you will never make it on the leaderboard, no matter how good your first loop is.
>your appreciation for the genre if pretty limited if you want every game to be cave shit
Who said I want every game to be cave shit? I don't even like Cave that much for a shmup company.
>>143331152
Nah i just appreciate looping tough shit like Parodius DA way more than gay memorizing from other players like chaining in DDP.
There is a reason as for why Cave dropped loops in later games like Mushi and Deathsmiles, it's a retarded concept,
>>143331527
What does even have to do with anything? Just because Parodius doesn't have deep scoring mechanics, doesn't mean the game can't be about score too.
>>143331645
parodius is definitely scoring oriented
>>143331645
Old games like that are way more about survival than score, the score just reflects how good your survival was rather than your "scoring" outside of a couple tricks.
>>143331971
They aren't any more about survival than any other shmup. More modern games just also have deeper scoring mechanics added.
Doesn't mean that old games are not about score too, though. Otherwise they wouldn't have score leaderboards like almost every other arcade game.
>>143331971
parodius have actual scoring systems, they're not really "old games" in that sense
>>143331418
again, you are missing the point narrow-minded cuck, there are many games that are more about survival than scoring, the score just reflects how good your survival was.
>>143332183
No, it#s you who is missing the point, fucktard. Just because a game doesn't have scoring mechanics as "deep" as Battle garegga or whatever, doesn't mean the game can't be about score too.
If you really like a shmup, no matter the game, your main goal will always be to be as far on the top of the leaderboard as you can. This goes for Cave games, just like Parodious, and pretty much every other arcade game. Thus they are about score, because score decides who is on the top.
>>143327574
It's the only non-shit donpatch game.
>>143332114
this, shmups were always about scoring from day 1
the space invaders craze didn't start from people trying to beat the final boss
>>143322639
you can do it! it's atleast way easier than DS!
Scoring is boring.
NMNB's are where it's at, yo.
>>143332378
You are still being a retarded narrow-minded cunt because you can't accept that score in older games is very attached to survival. Putting the score as a factor is just tradition, in these older games if you put the zone you made it to instead of the score it wouldn't be much of a difference for experienced players.
NMNB's are boring.
Scoring's where it's at, yo.
shitposting is boring.
Playing shmups is where it's at, yo.
Now you just need to bring the shmup dads over to 4chan.
>>143332695
>score in older games is very attached to survival
It isn't any more attached to survival than how more modern games attached to it. Modern games just also have deeper scoring mechanics.
>in these older games if you put the zone you made it to instead of the score it wouldn't be much of a difference for experienced players.
I know understand what you mean, but that's not really true. The scoring differences in older games may be smaller, but this only means that points count more in these games. Even plaing games as simple as R-Type can get pretty ridiculous to reach a WR score in them. Otherwise I already had a WR in it, that's for sure.
>>143333000
nice score anon
Shmups are boring.
RPGs are where it's at, yo.
>>143333000
>It isn't any more attached to survival than how more modern games attached to it.
How so? survival in most older loopers is limitless and the scoring is basic. In modern games your survival is limited to 1 or 2 loops therefore you have to entirely rely on the deeper score system.
You have a point with R-Type but that's because it has limited loops, it has llimited survival so you can exploit some score.
>tfw you will never be good enough at shmups, speedrunning, or any type of high-level gameplay
>>143333219
>survival in most older loopers is limitless
Are you now talking about games like Galaga and Space Invaders or what? Even then, in Space Invaders for example you also already had "deeper" scoring mechanics, where sniping certain enemies at a certain moment will boost up your score.
Shmups have always been about score. At least for those people who really play them seriously.
>>143333329
>tfw you will always be good at shmups and all types of high-level gameplay
>>143333329
>wanting to be good at memerunning
Only game good for speedruns is Tenchu Z
tfw no talent
>tfw can't be a shmup monk
>even Jaimers will always be bette than you
>>143333485
Not only those, but also late 80s games from fathers of verts like Toaplan.
>Shmups have always been about score. At least for those people who really play them seriously
Then have fun besting the score of someone who made it to loop 5 when you are in loop 2, after all you just have to improve your score (aka keep surviving idiot)
>>143334245
Just because your survival determines your score in games like Gradius, doesn't mean the game isn't about score.
All it means is just that survival play is synonymous for playing score in these games, but in the end it's still your score which will determine how far you make it on the leaderboard, dick head.
>>143334394
you can only improve your score if you keep surviving, the determining factor here clearly is surviving
jesus how is that so hard to understand tfor cave-cucks
>>143334394
>>143334245
Apart from this, if you don't know all the scoring tricks in games like Gradius, your score will also be much much less than the score from someone who knows these tricks, even if you made it to the same loop as this person.
>>143334582
that's right, but usually these tricks are so basic and well known that it's rare to see stuff like that happens from experienced players
>>143334503
>the determining factor here clearly is surviving
No, the determining factor is your score. You do not get a good score simply from surviving, you get a good score from shooting shit in older games. That's also a scoring mechanic. It's just not as deep as more modern mechanics.
>>143334781
I wouldn't really call a pro run of a Gradius loop "basic". Gradius high level play requires pretty intense precision and everything.
Being able to do a loop of Gradius like a pro does, ie being able to reach such a good score in a single loop, requires a shitton amount of time.
Just because these games have simpler scoring mechanics, does not mean scoring really well in them is easy.
>>143335132
you can trivialize a good scorer just by surviving, tho.
japanese mags capped the score of gradius games and other old shooters like raiden to an arbitrary score iirc, so in those cirscunstances playing for survival seems like the only way to keep at it
>>143327574
>what do yall think about ketsui?
Caves finest hour.
>>143321953
>esp games, guwange
This is why these games are so good and something cave is master of creating games that are easyish to clear but become top tier difficult when played for score, it's the same with the mushi black label original modes easy clears for survival players/ridiculously hard at high level play.
>>143307212
>Yagawa games don't punish you for shooting
Incorrect plebface, like many features he took from Gun frontier firing rate also increase rank thus why garegga players tend to have 3 fire buttons mapped one default one for 12hz or something like that and one for 30hz.
yagawa games are shit
>>143336234
Good morning banana.
>>143336129
I would like to know how the autofire rank works in Gun Frontier, it detects it once or it's variable?
Either way, the game is much more doable with autofire than without it.
>>143335404
>you can trivialize a good scorer just by surviving, tho.
You also can trivialize a good surviver by scoring. Your point?
And in the arcades these games are still about score, no matter if mags track these scores or not.
>>143336272
>assuming only bananakun thinks that
>not realizing the whole world does
raizing went out of business for a reason
nobody played his shitty cave games either
>>143336129
>firing rate also increase rank
Yes, that's why you have to aim good and know to use your resources well. It's a good mechanics more games should have.
Perhaps it punishes you for shooting, but why the hell not? It's not like shooting becomes redundant through it. Ypou still have to shoot your way through the game.
>>143336392
>raizing went out of business for a reason
What are you even doing in a shmup thread? Back to /v/ where you can talk about your modern AAA garbage.
>>143336006
>cave is master of creating games that are easyish to clear
Post your 2-alls and 1ccs then
>>143336392
raizing went out of business for the same reason cave went out of business
nobody really likes this shitty genre
>>143336308
>I would like to know how the autofire rank works in Gun Frontier, it detects it once or it's variable?
Apparently it is based on how much you fire so increasing the rate and always firing is the biggest factor for increasing it however it's not that big a deal in GF and the pros outweigh the cons so auto is favorable. The biggest rank increase in GF is the stage 2 checkpoint milk, if you do that a few times game goes nuts.
>>143336392
>>not realizing the whole world does
Garegga and batrider have had a well sized dedicated fan base for longer than any modern shmup i can think of and garegga especially just keeps growing in popularity. Ibara is simply amazing and at release was a welcome addition from superplayers who were tired of ikedas formulae the only real reason you hate his games is because you are a shit player who can't grasp them i'l bet my bollock on it. Ibara is also on of the most requested games for a port.
>>143336554
>Yes, that's why you have to aim good and know to use your resources well.
Not to be pedantic but its a bit more variable than that Krautkong, in high score runs players jack the auto fire to max in the final stage, you can see Kamui actually position next to the edge of screen holding fire to make the rank go even higher.
>>143336768
That quote is something different from what i said, we are specifically talking about esp games, Guwange and i extended it to mushi BLs because they also fit the mould.
>>143336768
>Post your 2-alls and 1ccs then
If you honestly care about this stupid nonsense well then my scoreboard input is cee/clp.
>>143337010
Stop acting as if you could tell me something about Garegga, britbong. I already cleared the game and know it inside out, dickface
And Garegga is much more fair than the usual cave game.
>>143337367
>I already cleared the game
who cares
if you didn't get a hex score you didn't really clear it
>>143337367
Observe ladies and gentlemongs, this is the Krautkuns modus operandi in action.
please stop making this thread shit
>near flawless first 3 stages
>alt+tab because need a breather and want to see if some shitposts here are salvageable
>lose all 7 lives in stage 4
You guys need to get your shit together too.
At least be somewhat funny about it.
>>143337367
Ikaruga is the fairest STG, why would you bother wasting time on shitty Cave and Yagawa when you could be playing a methodical masterpiece instead?
>>143337665
I actually agree with you on this one, but Garegga is also good.
>>143337367
>proud of a shitty low score clear
>but Cave is bullshit! even when they have more accesible clears for newcomers!
lolz
>>143337757
Not really. Garegga is shit because you have to abuse a flamingo trick and milk an invincible enemy endlessly on stage 5 to make a difference in your score.
>>143337951
My score was not low. It was ok.
And Cave is not accessible at all. 2-alling Cave games is much harder than Garegga.
>>143338071
>My score was not low. It was ok.
What was it? just curious.
>>143338071
then don't play the looping cave games if they trigger you that hard
