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Dominions is a fantasy turn-based strategy game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.
It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a strategy game.
>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya
>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795
>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki
>Our pastebin
http://pastebin.com/dHdZ1cch
>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf
>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/
>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551
>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod.html
>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura may or may not be ded.
>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the wiki
>Read the pastebin
>Watch some LPs by Maerlande or NuclearMonkee
>Start playing multiplayer games
Submit completed games here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform
Results Here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlrvyEqLFYIaXRc49TheMmfdoP8jEh1m5rZJHJAzDWQ/edit?usp=sharing
First for hardcore Aboleth rape.
Second for have you bullied an elf today?
Third for Ichtyids.
>>140741667
Why is /domg/ so hellbent on bullying innocent and civilized elfs?
Have you cuddled a lizard today?
>>140742335
To remove elven degeneracy from our great game.
>>140742548
Geckos a shit.
>>140741440
Is that an angel for ants?
I got my ban in you Sunday degenerates
Still at 4/10 teams. The schematics of the draft have been updated on the page.
If you're interested in the game, but are a friendless loner, you can always state your interest in the game on the thread so that others know you're interested in it to get in contact with you.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/364040166674562077/
>>140748328
This is why I hate outdoor cafes in cities
Play your turns
Post your memes.
>>140757493
When I visited Florence I hit a pigeon with a shopping bag. It was great, 10/10.
>>140763154
>Milan
>Florence
What other Italian cities have you visited, /domg/?
Should I GoR this guy and thug him? Does anyone know what slots and paths he has, if any? It's silly, but he's so freaking cute.
>>140765961
No slots/10.
>>140765961
The mod inspector says that they don't get any slots aside from 2 misc ones, and its stats aren't good enough to survive more than 1 or 2 PD at most.
>>140763378
The only Italian city I've seen is Rome.
Well, that and Pompeii, but I'm not sure that counts as a city anymore.
>>140763378
Rome, Milan, Florence, San Gimignano, Salerno, Siena, Urbino, and some others I'm forgetting.
>Expecting a big battle next turn
>the person who you're fighting with stales and doesn't initiate the combat
REEEEEEEEEEE
>Put off turn for as long as possible because I'm going to have to script fucktons of mages
>Eventually decide to just hide in my fort instead.
I am the worst. At least I'm not actually the last person to submit my turn.
>>140761249
do not play turns
Not sure if anyone really cares who's not in the game, but there's a new post blogging about the Dominions D&D game.
>>140774502
Did they fug yet?
>>140774502
Forgot about that
explains why the thread and the chat room has been so ded.
>>140774715
The Ulmish priest used his magic to warm up the cold-blooded, which was a cute thing to do.
Friendly reminder that Pale Ones are shit.
>>140768948
Hahahaha
http://intensemath.com/frame.html
Hot, arcane amazon-on-amazon action!
>>140775595
nice mage support agartha
>>140775595
And nothing of value was lost that day, for either side.
>>140775595
>recruiting shamblers
>ever
literally the only excuse is if there's some open UW provinces, and all you got is a shambler province.
>>140775595
>Pale Ones are shit
70 sacreds is pretty scary desu senpai.
>>140777706
Basically siege chaff
>>140778249
Agartha should never use shamblers for that, when they have Pale One Militia, the best recruitable seige chaff in the game.
>>140776534
>Autoplaying music
What the shit Cirno
>>140783156
html is new to me man.
The font was fucking papyrus a while ago.
>>140775595
Friendly reminder to use Agarthan MAGE SUPPORT which is top.
>>140775595
Friendly reminder you're an incompetent moron. You're fighting an army of ethereal nerds, and didn't think to pack a flame child or any mages?
You can't spell slaughter without a way to counter Mass Regeneration, Army of Foo and similar turn 91 shenanigans.
Alas, dear Ulm.
And yes, those basically all did spam Magma Eruption. No, it wasn't very watchable.
>>140788358
What is Army of Foo?
>>140788358
>killed a demon lord
>and a moose
I'm just gonna go ahead and chalk this one up as a victory.
>>140789623
Army of Gold or Lead
>>140789759
How did you kill the Demon Lord?
>>140790134
Do -you- want to watch a battle with 116 master smiths spamming Magma Eruption every single turn?
>>140788358
>>140789759
How did Ulm not have his own army of lead and other such spells by turn 91?
He has 120 mages, so research shouldn't be the problem, and his army should have won by sheer weight of numbers (and also not being mostly chaff) if it had similar buffs.
>>140790372
I've seen worse.
>>140790134
No clue. It was behind all of Jotun's other troops most of the battle, and disappeared at some point. I would assume it flew forward into melee and got itself killed but I couldn't find it anywhere.
>>140790424
I had Army of Lead/Will of the Fates, but Jotunheim had those and Mass Regen/Wind of Death/Curse of Stones/Fog Warriors/etc etc. Basically all the end-game spells. I didn't have much path diversity outside of my pretender because I am bad at this and my research wasn't that great because for most of the game my mages were driving off Arco/Agartha.
>>140790424
Here
>>140790791
Yes, well, I tried to watch it and my Dominions crashed a few turns in..
>>140790975
Wait. How in the hell do you lose research?
>>140791672
Seems to happen when you hit level 9 in a school. At a guess, the RP per turn is added, then on the next turn it corrects itself and removes the extra which was wasted from the graph.
>>140791359
Yeah, same thing happened to me.
Literally couldn't watch the battle that opened with me walking into Master Enslave x2 in the first round. Mass regened, army of fooed, reliefed, fog warriors, demon knights do not kill each other very fucking fast at all.
Went to auto-route. I technically lost.
Here are your pretender names, memelords
>>140794785
Awake Expansion Pretender... nice double bluff. Certainly a double bless imprisoned monolith.
>>140795502
Do you really think someone would do that, just go ahead and lie on the internet?
>>140795502
Why don't you just look at their titles and do the maths? Or heck, paste them here and I'll do the work for you.
>>140796485
All info is off, you can't see titles.
>>140796485
Lanka usually do bless right? Can Lanka work well with awake SC?
Can tartarians heal afflictions? I';ve had the chalice on one for like 6 months and it still hasn't grown his arms yet
>>140800943
GoH only not chalice. Chalice aint work on undead.
>>140801067
Oh yeah, shit, I forgot completely about that, thanks. Time for empowerment I guess
>>140800943
if this is domgnatgen fuck you, i wanted the chalice for my feebleminded wrong transformation Naiad and my old mages, and you aren't even using it
>>140801292
Nah, unless this is an incredible coincidence and you're one of my korean friends
Just a reminder, but the VGL roster poll is still ongoing. I think we're not going to get much in the way of additional votes, but if you haven't already voted you can go to https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gG6JESQXZ3MKZwwg9QBZRGlXw4y_WgCJj05BHTY4K68/viewform#responses
I'll probably close the poll at, oh let's say 16:00 UTC. The penultimate standings are:
21 Turnbullying
20 100 PD
20 erf snek
19 Forester Bob
19 Quadbless Mictlan
18 2000 ghosts in a fort
17 Angry Stone Face
16 itdepends
16 >stabbed by a methhead
15 6 Months of SP
15 Giant Man-Eating Jews
15 Heroic Obesity
15 Illfraud
15 Ulm - Waiting For Turn File
14 Remove Elves
13 Astral 1
13 meme game/memegames
13 Thursday/The Patch That Was Thursday
11 Bane Lord
11 Muuch Muuch/Frog Mathematics
11 Useless Kick
10 Pankoman
10 Renowned Harvard Mage
9 Burden of Time
8 Bizarre Monogamy
8 Desura Thug
8 Ermor/Tribless Ermor
7 >balance
7 Have we checked on Ermor?
7 Lugh the Long Handed
7 Scrub Club
4 Cirno's perfect Sauromatia guide
4 Pan was right
4 Summod Poison Golems/Free Poison Golems
3 2000 underwater ghosts in a fort/Underwater Archers/Korybantz
1 Crix's Deathbasket
>>140803498
Pan was right
>>140801292
Cuck.
>>140803498
Oh, and I forgot the cutoff line. It's between 10 and 9 votes right now.
>>140790896
I just woke up, how did you kill a moose and my favourite pokemon?
>>140806242
Simple. Unlike me, you forgot to prophet your moose.
>>140806904
My prophet has been alive all game, I can't kill him now.
Also, it looks as though that moose died to winds of death. I don't know why I'm always the only person who can watch my big battles.
Pazuzu just fucks off for no reason, which makes me suspect I accidentally set him to retreat. Even though he goes offscript and casts stuff I didn't ask for.
>>140808107
>MR 8
HAHAHAHAHA
>>140808196
Yes, I knew it would probably die but crippling half of Ulm's army straight away whatever the outcome is worth it.
>>140794785
I got that reference.
gee kraken, how come your mom lets you wield THREE frostbrands?
>>140812847
>not getting 3 extra hands
>>140812847
NO ARMOR
>>140812930
but how?
>>140812943
N4E4, m8. It's strength of gaia + shitskin etc.
>>140813009
Copper Arm.
>>140813130
>>140813162
Good idea, although can you get out of the water without amulet of the fish then? if not, 1 extra arm will have to do.
>>140813017
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/gee-bill-how-come-your-mom-lets-you-eat-two-weiners
I was gonna post the 'Gee Olmec, how come your god lets you have four blesses?' picture but apparently I haven't saved it.
>>140813315
Why are you telling that to me? I'm a certified meme professional.
>>140812847
>not 5 gloves of the gladiator
are you even trying?
>>140812930
>2 misc slots
>3 extra hands
try again
>>140814391
>not 5 swords of quickness
555-come-on-now
>>140814495
I'm good at this game, not at math. It's Cirno's prerogative.
Hey Caelum, are you around? If so, can we chat? Otherwise our borders are going to be a complete shitshow.
>>140814864
You are right, gloves is 2handed and 4 atts, swiftness is 1h and 2 atts. 2 gloves and 1 sword maybe?
But the true att disher needs boots/armor for quickness.
I´d say crone because lots of copper arms, but as a pretender she cant get into HoF and get even more quickness.
Some monkey summon is the primary candidate I guess. Ofc its all a waste since only 1 square per attack...
>>140815158
Caelum wants your forts. Like he wants every fort apparently.
>>140812847
>no black heart
are you even trying?
also sorry for stalling. forgot to do my turn at midnight like I planned
>>140812847
Is this the one I accidently killed in the blitz with quadbless memeland?
>>140818458
No, I think Therio just copied my memekraken, I wasn't in that game.
This is why we should play a item mod blitz.
>>140819824
HOST NOW
>>140819824
>unit mod
>buffs Ermor
>no change to Ma Xibalba
>>140821132
He's not trying to be balanced
Meme Niefelheim, are you here?
>>140823016
Boo.
>>140823229
If that is you, can you get in the steam chat for a moment?
>>140823484
I am already there.
>>140821132
It's not done yet.
>Everyone gave me pearls (or is otherwise helping out in squid removal i.e. Mictlan) other than C'tis
. . . .should I be worried that 360ish overcast isn't enough because of secret funding?
>>140825159
>should I be worried
Always.
Squid is friend
>>140825735
Squid is not online to accept friend invite
So no, squid is quite literally, not a friend. According to Steam anyway.
>>140825735
Squid killed my wolves, and made sure that my parties were populated only by women in their late thirties.
>>140826413
Don't be hatin on milfs now.
Blitz to test out the new magic enhanced mod.
>>140803498
Alright, poll's closed! Final standings:
---Starters and GKs:
22 Turnbullying (gold, captain)
21 100 PD (GK)
21 erf snek (medal)
21 Forester Bob (medal)
21 Quadbless Mictlan (medal)
19 2000 ghosts in a fort (GK)
19 Giant Man-Eating Jews
18 Angry Stone Face(GK)
18 itdepends
17 Heroic Obesity
17 >stabbed by a methhead
16 Illfraud
16 Remove Elves
---Bench players:
15 6 Months of SP
15 Ulm - Waiting For Turn File
14 Astral 1
14 Useless Kick
13 memegames
13 Thursday
12 Bane Lord
12 Muuch Muuch
11 Burden of Time
11 Pankoman
---Cutoff Line
10 Lugh the Long Handed
10 Renowned Harvard Mage
9 Desura Thug
9 Tribless Ermor
8 Bizarre Monogamy
8 Have we checked on Ermor?
7 >balance
7 Scrub Club
4 Cirno's perfect Sauromatia guide
4 Pan was right
4 Free Poison Golems
3 2000 underwater ghosts in a fort
1 Crix's Deathbasket
Thank you for voting, everyone. I'm not sure who's going to be the second gold player since it ended with a three-way tie, but if you have any argument for a certain candidate feel free to post.
The VGL6 qualifiers will be May 27th-29th, but we won't be participating in those. The draw will be after the qualifiers are over. The league proper will begin June 3rd.
HOLY SHIT
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2927
>>140829483
>no changelog
Times you learned something new about Dominions mechanics.
>Mage sitting comfortably in the capital on a stack of 20 researchers cast blessing of Thetis
>Don't bother scripting her because lazy
>Army swarms Atlantis and lays siege to their forts
>RANDOM fucking Abysian assassin kills my Enchantment mage on the first try out of 20 possible people it could attack
>Entire army on that border drowns minus the commanders holding wavebreakers
>mfw
>>140830467
Scripting doesn't work in assassinations
>>140830467
Victims don't follow their scripting in assassination attempts anyway. Next time give your important mages a bottle of water or something.
>>140830467
why the fuck would you bring your enchantment mage with you?
>>140830647
>>140830661
Oh well that makes me feel better, should have at least maybe thrown some body guards on he
>>140830684
I didn't my war on the other border with Abysia prompted them to send an assassin to my capital. It was the first attempt, the odds of them actually hitting her and not one of my bajillion enaries or soothsayers researching were like 1 in 25.
Another learning mechanics the hard way story here
>Figure out summon mechanic and decide to tap into huge pile of death gems
>Field massive wight army and decide to support it with some of my strongest mages
>Send it to attack Ulm and have it roll over their first few provinces
>Have entire mage cadre being guarded by wights
>Winter comes
>See combat report and and notice only my mages dying and no one else against an army of just 40 mercs
>Didn't realize cold could damage your own troops
>MFW checking the combat report
>>140833969
You noticed your mistakes and learned from it
Good padawan, you are on track
>>140833969
It's even more fun with Water Elementals.
They don't deal cold damage, but during winter they turn into Ice Elementals which do. I lost an entire army because of this once, because I equipped all mages and commanders with bottles of living water.
>>140829717
I know, right? How fucking worthless of a thread can you make
>>140835006
GODDAMMIT!!!
The fucking .dm doesn't have any changelog or notes either.
What a fucker.
>>140835378
He wants you to find out on your own, a steak must be savored etc.;)
>>140834547
So if you're going to make the bottle of water investment throw in a cold resistance item too?
>>140835875
May I suggest fire in a jar? Fire gems are less expensive then W ones and it is enough to stop auras.
>>140835875
Or cast frost fend.
>>140835854
Bullshit cocksucker excuse from a pissant.
>>140836861
I agree that not adding a changelog of any kind is dumb, but you seem a lot more upset than is warranted by something like this.
>>140833969
>Playing as Abysia with heat
The number of Militia, Crossbows, and hapless Commanders that have died due solely to poor positioning on my part is staggering.
>>140776534
>frame.html
Why
>>140783156
Here
http://intensemath.com/Sauromatia_Guide.html
>>140821132
Ermor needs a buff since they don't have ANY recruitable troops.
>>140839554
where the fuck did the song go
>>140840823
Here: http://intensemath.com/streladodia.html
>>140776534
Your site is extremely 90s.
The only thing that's missing is some animated gifs.
>>140843261
>Ermorian_standard_bearers.gif
I also have one where I learned the hard way.
>cross a frozen river in late winter into enemy territory to attack with my doomstack
>enemy moves his big army together with his pretender into that province at the same turn
>my troops loose but try to escape with quite a lot of units
>the frozen river isn't frozen anymore and my entire army gets vanquished
Watch the weather boys.
>>140829717
Real men don't read changelogs. In my day you figured out what a spell did by reading the description and KO's mind.
>>140839554
The frame.html is using iframes to keep the music continuous while browsing.
which is why its called frame.html.
>>140851058
>expert
citation needed
>>140851058
First of all, stop using iframes.
Second, stop playing music on your site.
What is this, 1992?
>>140851458
I find the music quaint.
Whats the problem with iframes? They seem so versatile.
>>140851302
Have you seen my sauro guide?
How do I stop being bad at Hinnom?
While the Melquarts are pretty strong and everything they still are so fucking expensive and I can't seem to get enough of them out since they are slow to recruit.
Also researching is so hard because everything is expensive in upkeep.
Should I just use a massive bless and beef up my melqs and giants in general even more to make the viable?
>>140853384
>I find the music quaint.
It's annoying. At least make it so it doesn't autoplay, so the user can choose whether they want it or not.
>Whats the problem with iframes? They seem so versatile.
Lots of things. Most notably they tend to fuck with accessibility browsers, they make saving/printing pages a pain, they trip up search engine indexing, and they make it extremely annoying to bookmark pages.
There's literally nothing you can do with frames that you can't do with plain old HTML, with maybe some SSI or a bit of PHP if you want to be fancy. Especially if your only goal is to play some annoying music, there's literally no excuse to use frames.
>>140854027
>some annoying music
Thats the dom4 main song you're talking about.
>>140853497
step one is to stop using Raphael warriors if you were wasting time with that. I usually go very heavy scales and tailor my pretender to summon grigori if I survive that long. You can also go N9 for jewish giants or A4 to make your A2 amnis much more useful in combat
>>140854346
>playing with the music on
>>140829483
>Research 0 S1 Stellar Cascades
What a meme.
>>140829483
>http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2927
>>140827458
>>140854991
It only has aoe 1, so you need 5 S1 casters to equal a regular casting of Stellar Cascades...
Blitz in some 25 minutes.
With this thing: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1461945123482.png
>>140856027
Well, that's not as silly as giving anakites shadowbrands, but it's still a hard counter to awake pretenders.
Whoa. Is MA Mari viable now?
>>140856274
>unit mod
I suppose it serves its niche. Much like Flatus ensures no other map has to take the title 'least balanced', unit mod probably does the same for mods.
While things like domgmod/summod annoy me, at least they attempt (and arguably succeed) and increasing balance, instead of going lawl lets buff MA Ermor.
>>140856937
If the best they can do is still fireballs and flaming arrows, nope
>>140829483
>ermor has a global that is wailing winds on every battlefield
>castable by duskelders using available boosters
>very castable by a native hero
>it also spans sacreds with insta kill
You might have some balance work left.
>>140856860
Hmmm, the 100 Precision aspect means even at aoe 1 it is probably too powerful. I'll reduce it to Prec 5 for the final release.
>>140857167
Such butthurt.
>>140857394
It's less butthurt, and more obvious fact. Well, the lack of balance, maybe not the least balanced. I've been told there's some other really shitty mods for balance out there.
Apparently.
Since this >>140857298
sounds more nutso than units with firebrands.
>>140857635
You're delusional if you think those modes are for balance.
>>140857167
Why are you telling this to me?
Yo senpaitachi
Thought y'all should have a look at the REAL charts, not some JEWISH LIES and PROPAGANDA they created to make the GLORIOUS REICH look bad.
>>140825159
D-did I donate the most, Man-chan?
>>140830467
When I was a young noob, I lost an entire army of bats and demons to a dispelled Thetis's blessing.Now I cast it to lure others into the deeps and then dispel it myself
>>140856860
Like phantasmal warriors and animate skelly?
Awake expanders can't really handle mages to begin with.
>>140859120
No, though I was the second highest by a sliver. 240 pearls is worlds more than I had available, and apparently worlds more than anyone else did either.
Only people who donated nothing are C'tis and Mictlan (and obviously R'yleh, but duh). In Mictlan's case, he's fighting the squids in the water, so he's doing his part. Not sure about C'tis . . .
Glad to see I'm sort of maintaining parity in research and gem income (I'd even be 2nd behind you if not for these gemgen globals), judging by the fact you have Lemuria's graphs I'm assuming this is from a site, and you didn't go through the trouble to askashic record literally everyone.
>>140859451
These are challenges to erf snek. A number of awake expanders do fine vs them. Basically anything that has more than fear for offense.
>>140859824
So I'm fucking tired and misread what you said. Yes you did donate the most pearls, followed by me, then Pythium, then Agartha.
>>140857298
Mods have to buff Ermor. It's the law.
The spell is currently for MA Ermor and Lemuria and Ench8, 5D3S and 75 gems. I could make it Ench9, 5D5S and 100 gems. Or I could just make it Lemuria only like I originally planned.
Also looking like a 4 man race, between Man, Pythium, Ulm, and Agartha, given the research-o-meter and gem-incomo-meter.
>>140859824
>>140859985
Wooooooo
Ulm is number 1 in shiny white shit!
C'tis is cute, but if I find out that he's been funding TERRORISM, then I'm going to bend him over, lift his tail and ram some Panzer tanks up his ass.I'm secretly a panther otherkin. I fantasize about going to the bakery, asking for a loaf of bread and then transforming into a panther while the serving lady is turned around. When she faces me, she'll be greeted with my gigantic 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 primed with a high explosive 75×640 mm R round, just ready and waiting to BURST all over her face. My massive 6.87 by 3.42 meter body will shock and arouse her so much that she'll start begging me to blow her up.
>>140860185
Can I have that retroactively added to this game? Maybe along with a spell to counter flames from the sky (other than call of the wind), and a spell to tell me what the fuck is causing all these game glitches (immortals shouldn't die in friendly dom . . . though the loss of 110 death gems is somewhere around 'mildly annoying', the fact it happened is worrying.)
>>140860508
10/10
>>140860508
Yeah, I've already begun losing mages to this shit. Got real old real fast.
Literally.
>>140860754
>I've already begun losing mages to this shit
>>140860508And then you try to turn while standing still and catch on fire.
And 5 Americans walk up and laugh as they kick the shit out of you.
>>140860185
Why not make it D5A3, which is harder for ermor to get by a lot, and closer to the underlying spell in path requirements.
Also, possibly Evo 9, which is (arguably) less helpful to ermor than ench 9, and is also in the same school as wailing winds.
(I'm going through national spells in mod inspector and taking notes right now).
>>140861409
Be careful, the inspector doesn't like #copyspell and reports elements from the original spells that were overwritten. Check the mod commands to see the actual values.
Interesting ideas about the Global, like I said it was mainly included as a way for Lemuria to actually win fights and Ermor just got it as a byproduct. I could make the Ermor version a bitch to cast and the Lemuria version easier due to their stronger connection to disembodied souls. Plus them being shit and all.
>>140864004
Yes, we are a shit tier nation only capable of eating stallers and AIs, or those worse than AIs. Well that, and making wizards towers filled with ghosts.
We needz the buffs. Make ghosts great (not again though, that would imply they were ever great).
anyone want to sub ulm with 2000+ income and basically assured to WIN?
>>140868073
Which age?
>>140860571
Yeah I dunno what the fuck that was about. I'm preaching hard on those provinces, maybe they temporarily flippled?
And did your Tartarian just disappear? I assumed he was supposed to come cast Rain of Stones again and just decided to... fuck off?
I dunno man. I'd rather our war not be decided by lame bugs :(
>>140869703
Oh, interesting. In the Turn Order section of the manual, Preaching happens very early in the turn, before any battles, but Dominion Spread (presumably other checks?) happen near the end. Sounds like that might've caused it.
Hay guysss, new turn!
>>140869703
the tart went . . . places. It was weird.
As for the immortal, the place had 6 candles. If it was 1 candle, yeah, I'd buy that for sure. Seems really unlikely though.
Gonna go look the old turn up for science, just to save me some time, the reanimated kings cannot preach, correct? They can only reanimate?
So the province had 4 candles the prior turn, which means H1s could preach it down. That would be what killed my immortal then. Guess I'll need to be more careful with my immortals then :(
As for the Tart, he's fine, he just somehow set his fly boots to turbo. He'll come back . . .eventually. (and no, I don't understand how that happened either).
>>140870447
Got it in! Might be a little slow tomorrow, have 3 finals. But I shouldn't stale
>>140857167
It doesn't actually buff Ermor much though, since their stuff costs death gems. When everything is done, Ermor will be comparatively weaker by virtue of getting less buff than everyone else.
>>140869703
I know what you mean, last turn I swear I had dominion 4 and now I cant raise it above three.
*Skeletons rattle nervously*
>>140859824
I actually sent in most of my pearls.
>>140874949
I'm wondering if Arco will go the way of Gath, domkilled by accident.
>>140875780
Whoops, saw Agartha's message underneath that explaining how he didn't have pearls at the moment, and would send some later . . .
But yeah, considering your gem income, you did fine. Sorry about that, just running off 2 hours of sleep in the last 3 days.
With Agarthans, you lose
>>140871681
Yes, my undead priests cannot Preach, however the Lizard Kings and Sauromancers can.
It still doesn't make much sense though. Despite what >>140869956 said, both Preaching and Dominion spread happen before battles.
>>140879536
No idea then. All I know is I'm gonna stick with 2 WoD and retreating from now on.
Or dudes with 3 items. We all love dudes with 3 items.
>>140879536
Are you sure about that?
6. Preach Priests preach the word of their god, and dominion is adjusted accordingly
22. Other movement All other movement, including Break Siege, takes place.
23. Resolve battles All battle resolution from movement happens here.
38. Dominion spread All dominion spread (for whatever reason) is conducted now.
The only battles that happen after Dominion Spread are "leftover battles caused by previous events" whatever that exactly means.
>>140880385
Oh shit, I mis-read. I thought 43. Resolve Battles was normal battles, but apparently that's just from movement,
HOLY CRAP, PREACHING IS THE ANSWER TO GHOSTS. The power of snake christ compels you, Lemuria!
I need a volunteer to sub or set AI. Ctis, turn 30, sieged, but with a bunch of rescuers attacking your attacker.
>>140881023
Things I did not expect to be nearly so important this game:
Preaching mechanics
Call of the Winds vs Flames from the Sky
Domes
Things I did:
Horror mechanics
>>140881352
I don't want to join a game right now, but I can set him AI if you don't get anyone else.[email protected]
>>140881352
Nobully?
Team 1, pick your goddamn nation.
>>140883413
I wondered where the bully was. I looked around at all near me, and saw none, until I looked into the clear lake.
The bully was me all along.
>>140883413
Nope, dom4mods game.
Agartha, it would be good to talk if you are around. We have some mutual bullying to conclude.
>>140885062
I hope it's not against me; Agartha would be of little aid versus me.
>>140885985
They'r obviously talking about me, hence the 'conclude'.
>>140885985
Don't worry, I'm not planning on bothering you as long as you stay out of my back garden, I've already got troublesome dead elves mucking about over there annoying me ineffectually.
>>140886237
Good. I would be incensed if I turn a blind eye while my neighbor gets double-teamed, only to be rewarded with aggression.
remember a dead elf is a good elf, and africans choosing to ally with already half dead elves is quite disgusting to say the least
>>140886991
>[current year anno pantokrator]
>still not trusting elves
>>140890897
>trusting elves
Currently at 5/10 teams in. There were several people who expressed interest, but are currently lacking a team, if you hunt around on the steam chat.
Link is here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/364040166674562077/
Newfag here.
Read everything in op-post, played some SP games, its ok to go MP? Have some EXP with TBS.
>>140891746
You'll probably do absolutely fine. Go ahead and give it a try. Just remember that you can always ask questions, and that talking to your neighbours is one of the best ways to stay alive.
>>140858780
>Not something to make you look bad.
Ulm.
Ulm, sweetie.
If you wanted to not look bad, maybe don't post a chart showing you behind in research compared to not just Pythium but also Man, while playing as LA Ulm, the supreme research nation, and having the largest nation with the most income.
>>140893714
>tfw not toppest nation
>>140891746
Check you can get at least 12 provinces in year 1 with the nation/pretender you're joining with. Apart from that, you should be fine.
>>140893884
I'm going to note that you should be aiming for 12+ without an awake pretender. An awake pretender is for when you want to get past that, it's not a crutch to get to a mediocre expansion.
>>140893884
Honestly, make that fifteen. Expanding one province/turn for all of year one is horribly, horribly slow. And while an experienced player might be able to use overwhelming late game to make up for that, I don't think a new player can.
>>140893884
Also, about the races. Which one can you advice for the 1st time MP?
>>140894394
The one you like best.
>>140894394
There's a lot of good ones, depending on era and playstyle. Tell us a bit about what you enjoy doing so we can narrow it down for you?
>>140893714
This just in
Shots fired.
>>140894214
Yeah, with awake I'd estimate you should be aiming for at least 20. You could get nearly 12 provinces in a year with your awake expander on his own.
>>140894319
New players are also going to be worse at expansion though. Some of the nations with poor expansion can have trouble doing better than 12 provinces without an awake expander, though a new player probably shouldn't play them.
>>140894394
Hard to say. There's some races which are bad for first time players which we can warn you away from, but most will be fine. Tell us what nations look interesting to you and we can point out any which would be a bad choice.
>>140895736
Yeah, the whole "nations with poor expansion thing" is the reason I'm advocating 15 desu. Bogarus, f'instance, is not a weak nation, but it's not something a new player ought to play. They won't make it to the late game, and they won't be able to leverage their magic well enough to overcome the enemy even if they do.
>>140896430
Its one of the reasons EA/MA Pan gets recced to newbies so often. Between amazing W9 expansion, fantastic troops, and recoup, they're very forgiving.
>>140894532
In the Early Era i liked C'This and Sauromatia, but i havent played other era's that much.
Ok, what nations should i NOT play as a newbie?
>>140896931
Sauromatia is a fine nation. C'tis is a bit on the weak side. Nations you for sure oughtn't play I'd say include:
EA: Marverni, Abysia, Helheim, Kailasa, Ur, R'lyeh, Atlantis.
MA: Man, Eriu, Marignon, Mictlan, Shinuyama.
LA: Pythium.
I'd also include the popkill nations Therodos, MA Ermor, Asphodel and LA R'lyeh, just because they're a bit complicated to get the hang of.
>>140897351
>EA Helheim
>hard
>>140897351
Uh, and Lemuria. So bad I forgot they exist.
>>140897351
Thx.
Also, what Age is played more frequently in MP?
>>140897351
You forgot Lemuria.
>>140897351
If EA Atlantis is on that list, every UW nation should be on that list.
You also forgot to include Machaka (EA and MA) and Hinnom.
>>140897654
I take offense at such claims of us being a *bad* nation
We're a fucking horrible nation, unless Midgard derps around with a partial N bless, LA Atlantis forgets his magic weapons *somehow* and Caelum fucks off instead of even trying to fight.
>>140897643
Helheim is fucking atrocious. Sure, Valkyries are sweet as heck, and my inner seithkona wishes they were good, but Helheim as a whole is just not really something you can win with. They run out of gold and research, and their mages just don't do enough.
>>140897672
Frequency: EA > MA > LA
Best: LA > MA > EA
>>140897692
I try to forget they exist.
>>140897672
It honestly depends on what people are in the mood for, but in my experience EA>LA>MA.
>>140897715
Shit, I didn't mean to write Atlantis, I meant to write Pelagia, because EA Pelagia cannot onto land.
I disagree with EA Machaka, though they are definitely on the weak / hard to play side, but you're right that I forgot MA Machaka. That nation just flat out shouldn't exist.
As you can see, New Person, nobody has a clue what they're doing. You'll fit in fine.
>>140897672
Frequency EA > MA > LA
Best EA > LA > MA
>>140897643
Helheim is hard for the same reason Abysia is hard, they lack good recruits out of capital, and just kind of loose steam too much. Good on small maps with few (5-7) players though.
>>140897987
EA Machaka requires a good understanding of magic to survive, because your troops are barely better than monkeys.
They do have good magic though, the Bouda basically has fucking Dai Oni pathing. On that note, I'd add Yomi. Good nation, but you really need to understand how to SC well to make use of it.
>>140897351
Is Yomi a decent enough nation?
>>140897987
Yeah, I see it. It's rather funny and I like it.
Also, what is more common - blitz or PBEM?
>>140897351
If Eriu is on that list, a bunch of other MA nations deserve to be there as well
Like most of the UW ones, Xibalba, T'ien Chi, and Bandar Log.
>>140898335
The best way I can describe Yomi is like this:
They have some of the most crippling weaknesses of any nation. Order disempowered units, an effective -14% cap income from lost admin bonus on a turmoil nation making you perpetually poor early, and generally underwhelming recruit units due to cost.
On the other hand they get Shikome on a 1 to 1 death gem basis, and Shikome are fantastic. They also get Dai Oni, who are one the best recruitable battle casters and the BEST recruitable SC in the game (soul vortex+phoenix pyre is vicious, and the auto summon wolves typically eat the initial round of anti-SC spells.
>>140898226
Mhmm. They're in the "I'd urge you to maybe reconsider" category, but not in the "they're flat out bad, don't play them unless you want a challenge" category. Their troops aren't actually that atrocious; elephants make for super easy expansion, and if you're playing against someone of roughly equal skill, you can pretty easily roll over someone with flaming arrows before they get a counter (if they can get one at all), which then allows you to transition into skelespammers fucking everywhere.
Yomi's actually more of a nation to avoid than EA Machaka, I'd say. Yomi have absolutely nothing going for them aside from Dai Oni.
>>140898335
They're... on the weak side, and something of a one-trick demon overlord.
>>140898432
PBEM.
>>140898450
Yeah, alright. Maybe remove Eriu from the list. I'm just still remembering the mess that was my girlfriend's performance as Eriu in GelatinousCube, her first MP game. That said, yeah, you're right, it should be in the same category as Yomi - bit of a one trick pony, but can be leveraged for good results.
...shit. GelatinousCube. My turn. Shit!
>>140898742
>dai oni
>better SC than Grigori
you trippin
>>140898895
Can you read anon, he said recruit-able.
>>140898860
Fuck yeah, made it with like twenty seconds to spare.
>>140898978
No, I can't read. You don't need to make fun.
Pretender gods. Should i delay their awakening in exchange for points?
>>140898895
I mean, letting Hinnom recruit Grigori would be one way to make them good, I guess.
Thing with Dai Oni is the fully kitted, army soloing Dai Oni comes online MUCH earlier than Grigori do. If you don't know how to solo armies with Dai Oni, chances are you should be playing a different nation.
Don't underestimate Shikome though, those bitches make Yomi a solid *two* trick pony. Shikome have a tendency to blenderize everything.
>>140898860
I'd actually say Yomi is better than Machaka, but also harder to play. Maybe I'm still enjoying memories of watching 100s of enemy units die to a single guy though.
>>140898742
>They also get Dai Oni, who are the BEST recruitable SC in the game
That's not saying much, since there's only a handful of nations with recruitable SC chassis (fomoria, niefel, yomi, EA atlantis, hinnom, probably a couple I forgot).
Out of those I'd put Fomorian Kings at least on par with Dai Oni, mainly because they have magic phase movement. In an actual fight Dai Oni will do better, but magic phase movement makes it much easier to get into a favorable fight with your SC.
>>140899345
Depends on what you want to achieve!
If you're going for a big bless, for instance, you essentially have to make them imprisoned or at least dormant, especially if you want decent scales. There's even some nations that can justify just imprisoning something and going ALL the scales.
That said, awake pretenders are also very good, and I myself am particularly fond of them. I find that unless you truly need a good bless, the incredible economic advantage of getting like ten extra provinces in the first year is amazing.
>>140899583
If you're a high roller you can stick an Winged Helmet on an A1 Dai Oni, and they can Cloud Trapeze in.
Sort of expensive though. Dai Oni do have the benefit of ALL being SCs though, whereas only roughly 1/3 of Jarls or Fomorian Kings can say the same (the others lack Soul Vortex).
>>140899872
Depending on your bless, you can make a Jarl into an SC without soul vortex.
>>140899583
Fomorian Kings don't get fucked by Air Eles though, unlike all other SCs who get trampled to death more often than not. Will give them that much.
Also Hangadrott > Basalt King for sure, and usually over Melquart unless fighting mindless. Soul Vortex too stronk.
>>140899662
>>140899345
There's also the option of creating a pretender with a variety of paths, to boost your magical diversity, these typically use one off the small mage chassis and are usually taken awake or dormant to do site-searching.
>>140899980
They'd be a really light SC.
Honestly I've found one needs massive amounts of reinvig gear (around 10-14 total from bless, e power, and gear is needed), Soul Vortex/Fire Shield (depending on if skelly spam is around) and Phoenix Pyre, plus the right gear types, to walk into mage supported armies and still win.
Even then its a toss up, and often relies on them not having whatever you didn't have room to script against.
>>140900071
Before creating one of these (a rainbow pretender) however, run through this checklist:
Will you be in a position to benefit from the diversity? Would you be better off with a strong bless? Would you do better with ten more provinces?
>>140899872
>Winged Helmet on an A1 Dai Oni
Helmets are expensive though, and Yomi doesn't have an easy way to get access to A4 for them.
>Dai Oni do have the benefit of ALL being SCs though, whereas only roughly 1/3 of Jarls or Fomorian Kings can say the same (the others lack Soul Vortex).
Just give the D2 ones a handful of death gems. 1 gem per fight is negligible compared to the equipment cost.
>>140900045
>Hangadrott > Basalt King for sure, and usually over Melquart unless fighting mindless. Soul Vortex too stronk.
Hangadrott has too few hp to act as a SC. One good hit will kill it.
>>140898742
What makes Shikome that good? I don't really see it. They're sacred yes but wouldn't benefit too much from bless that's good for Dai Oni, and their stats make them look like revelers (a tad better stats, a tad worse weapons) that costs gems (revelers are cheaper even if we price the gems based on transmutation), mage turns and belong to a nation that can't buff them as much. As I see it, the big difference is them having magic weapons which I suppose is a big deal in endgame battles with Fog Warriors and such like, but I can't see how you'd field enough Shikome to truly make a difference in the game (while you can recruit revelers, a similar and more easily buffed unit, by the hundreds).
Granted, revelers are insane in their own right.
>>140902290
If revelers were sacred, they would be OP as shit.
GUYS
HOW ABOUT
A GAME
WHERE EVERYONE STARTS WITH MAX RESEARCH
BUT STILL HAS TO EXPAND AND DO SITESEARCHING
Y/N????
>>140903829
That would be different.
>pick any nation with a1e1, d2, etc
>expand like a fucking champ
>drain becomes a pretty easy dumpstat for most nations
>Sloth as well, since troops aren't as useful.
>>140903829
I too desire turn 7 BoT.
>>140903829
>>140904186
>>140904382
>>140904459
How about a game with Debug mod on?
>>140904459
Follow by turn 8 dispell because EVERYONE has max research?????
>>140904524
No fuck off lowering spell costs is for fags
Blitz anyone? Get in chat
>>140901863
Yea wouldn't it just be easier to spend the 30 to empower the oni at that point?
>>140903829
So basically everyone has turn 10 SC's and all the cap only mages tear through independents... Sounds fun.
>>140904575
There's an asymmetry between availability of death gems and availability of pearls, given the capital income of nations like Ermor and Lemuria, and the fact that nobody will have had time to site-search at that point. Assuming an awake D9 from the popkill nation (and by the way, awake immortal spellcasters will likely be supreme), it'll be several turns before anyone can dispel it. They might even fail once, delaying it further.
>>140904890
>MA
>>140904890
>MA
>LA
Ha
Hahahahaha
High magic game = EA
>>140904890
Yea that's what I was thinking immortal pretenders would wreck shit. Hell the Phoenix could wreck shit.
Also everyone's armies would be buffed to hell and back from like turn 5
>>140904712
If you only need a few Oni and don't want winged helmets for anything else, sure.
There should be a pop-up that lets me describe the torture I'm going to order that lord put through.
>>140898742
>They also get Dai Oni, who are one the best recruitable battle casters and the BEST recruitable SC in the game (soul vortex+phoenix pyre is vicious, and the auto summon wolves typically eat the initial round of anti-SC spells.
Between gimped in order, being larger than the rest of troops in their army (larger than wolves so target large works), being demons and lacking magic phase movement dai oni are pretty mediocre starting with midgame.
Antidemon weapons specifically rip them apart.
>>140899872
>Sort of expensive though.
Dai Oni do have the benefit of ALL being SCs though, whereas only roughly 1/3 of Jarls or Fomorian Kings can say the same (the others lack Soul Vortex).
Fomorian kings ith W random get quicken self and liquid body and make fantastic antithugs and competent SCs. They are the best fomorian kings to use as an SC in general because Soul vortex just needs a few extra gems and D3/A4 ones have some great magic to cast.
But really, all of them are useable as SCs, i just wouldn't risk high path ones.
Hey, C'tis, can we talk, please? You're a bit of a rogue element, and I'm worried.
>>140910634
>Scared of cute lizards
Weren't you saying something about looking good earlier? Follow your own advice, you pathetically weak army-less snakefucking piece of garbage. And no, a bunch of naked chicks and dogs is not an army.
>>140908951
I don't really get when you'd want fomorian kings over druid thugs / armies. They can't beat armies with mage support and things that you're hitting that don't have mage support can be beaten for cheaper. The only thing I can think of is cloud trapezing anti thug stuff, but that's mostly tied to equipment which you'd understandably want to put on the best chassis you have, so IDK
>>140911158
>They can't beat armies with mage support
Fomorian Kings can definitely beat armies with mage support, though it obviously depends on how much support and what type of mages.
>>140911386
I guess I should have rephrased that as "armies with mage support can easily be made to kill Fomorian kings consistently," but of course it depends
>>140912098
Scripting armies with anti-SC measures generally makes them pretty useless against other armies, so they can't just do it with all their armies.
Just drop kings on armies which aren't scripted for fighting SCs.
>>140912331
Stellar Cascades and Leech Spam are used against both.
Has anyone ever written a guide to positioning that goes beyond the expansion phase? I always find myself positioning well in the early game, and then as it goes into late, I just sorta put down a blob in front and then a slightly shootier blob a bit further back and then maybe some flying blobs.
>>140912331
There are a lot of spells that casually kill SCs that the AI will spam if the king is in range, leech and astral spells being famous among them
>>140903829
I'd like a dom4 mod that removed research and balanced the costs of magic around their path and gem requirement instead of so many spells in the game existing literally just as "use this because you don't have the token spell yet" like raise skeletons vs horde of skeletons or shadow bolt vs shadow blast.
>>140912521
I'd like a proper statistic on correct positioning for tramplers. My elephants always seem to stop immediately in front of the enemy troops and then promptly get their shit kicked in.
>>140912771
Look up how AP works and then look at the battle map. There is always a correct position, but it also always depends on where the enemy starts and how fast they move.
>>140912479
>>140912583
Sitting your SC at the back for the first 5 turns of combat is likely to cause mages scripted with either of those spells to go offscript. S2 is probably going to spam paralyze (countered with MR, and being paralyzed isn't a massive issue to most SCs so long as their buffs have been cast), and B1 will create imps (which just wastes their blood slaves).
After 5 turns the enemy mages will be running at 100+ fatigue, and your SC will be facing sporadic spellcasting at best once he starts attacking.
It's also fairly likely that after 5 turns the enemy troops will have moved up and are now in melee with your SC. In that case, the entire fight occurs outside of the effective range of your enemy's mages.
There are spells which don't have these issues, and you can work around the issues with clever scripting (e.g. troops set to guard commander so the SC fights on your side of the field) but most of these things are a very bad idea in a fight against an enemy army.
>>140829483
EA Ctis D2 bird summon is cool. But I was pretty disappointed to find that spectral sauromancer is literally just a spectral mage with a different sprite. Doesn't even get swamp survival.
The evo4 spell is cool as fuck.
Was hoping for some national unit summons for late game EA Ctis.
>>140913074
>Enemy casts summon imps
>Imps interrupt buff routine
>SC dies
Literally EVERY single time I've tried this
>>140913979
Odd, I usually see them continue buffing themselves if they get caught in melee. Occasionally they'll throw out an attack instead of cast, but they continue with their script afterwards.
>>140910846
The latter were for appeasing the population; if they got too mad about the partying, I let them pet the doggies and they forgot. As for the former not being an army, they are too if my magic says they are. And I, as you noted, have a lot of magic.
On that topic, I can't help but notice you handily ignoring your own failure to capitalize on your strengths. What have your mages even been doing?
>>140915636
Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there.
WHICH
PRETENDER
WOULD
YOU
HOLD
HANDS
WITH?
>>140918158
>TFW no qt Annukai of Love and War to cradle you like a baby
>Dat Size 5
Big enough to still be giant, but small enough to tell she still watches her figure. Can't beat that.
>>140918158
#1341.
Agartha, that province is adjacent to my castle. If you attack, I will consider it a declaration of war.
>>140920935
W A R I S P O I N T L E S S
T H E E N D C O M E S F O R U S A L L
>>140897872
>>140898042
>least used age
>age with ragha and ghosts
>age of hummie nations with slightly different hummies and less national summons
>LA is best guys!
I swear some of you guys have zero taste
>>140921541
>age with ragha and ghosts
Compared to shit like EA Xibalba or MA Ermor, Ragha and Lemuria are pretty decent. Also >whining about balance in Dominions
>age of hummie nations with slightly different hummies and less national summons
>most of them are human or human-like, that means they're all the same!
Have you ever played Dominions?
>LA is best guys!
It is.
>>140743301
Mictlan rule #1: spam blood sacrifice always.
>>140922664
Are Patala a good late age nation? I like APES and NAGA
>>140922664
EA is fine because it's the age of brokness, meanwhile you have these two really annoying nations that almost gets picked every single time because the rest of the nations are so bland and boring and "yawn"
and yes most of them are all the same
>recruit your sacred
>recruit xbows
>leverage your communion or blood based magic
>rush anti crossbow strats
>get more money then anyone else
>leverage huge economy might
>win
at least in the other ages things are more varied during early/middle game
>>140921183
Oh You sssssilly gooossssse
>>140922962
Thanks for confirming you don't actually play Dominions.
>>140923012
>can't provide a proper counter argument
>lol you don't even play
>>140922836
Not particuarly? Nagarishi are strong (expensive) mages for LA but their troops are still terrible.
>>140922836
They're good, but they have a serious problem with cap dependency. They can't recruit anything worthwhile outside their capital except hordes of astral monkeys. Not that astral monkeys are terrible, but apart from Stellar Cascade spam there's just not that much you can do with them. Even when using them as communion slaves they're going to rely on your cap mages to be their master nine out of ten times, which is a pain in the ass if you have a big empire since mobility isn't one of your strengths.
>>140923074
Maybe he can't, but I will, as soon as I'm done with the maths.
>>140923323
go home cirno
>>140923361
Not Cirno. Anyway, part of the reason I like LA is that it has greater diversity, particularly with the paths I enjoy. EA feels like everyone has Air and Earth, and the numbers back it up. On the other hand, LA has much more Astral, Death and Blood, which I find to be more interesting to play with.
Also, the human nations play very different from one another, unless you mean to suggest that you'd play Man or Pythium the same way you'd play T'ien Ch'i.
>>140922962
>recruit your sacred
That only goes for the nations that have sacreds worth recruiting, same as any other age. If anything, LA is less prone to bless rushing strats than any other age.
>recruit xbows
Only like 5 nations in LA make heavy use of crossbows, and some of those (like Pan, for example) can't even rely on crossbows as their main unit.
>leverage your communion or blood based magic
You're a retard for even implying all communions are the same. If anything, LA has greater magic diversity than any other age, and communions help you leverage that diversity even further.
>rush anti crossbow strats
Unless you're up against someone like Agartha, there's no need at all to specifically rush for a crossbow counter.
>get more money then anyone else
>leverage huge economy might
As opposed to every other age where you never need any income and you can win wihout recruiting anything?
>>140924285
I agree with you about LA (I was the one he was quoting, after all), but...
>Only like 5 nations in LA make heavy use of crossbows.
>There's no need for a crossbow counter.
This is wrong. If you can find a cheap crossbow province to fort up early, you do so. It's stupid not to. A competent player -will- do it. On the other hand, a competent player will also have good research and will have some way of countering it, so it stops being a viable strategy before too long.
>>140922664
>It is.
Don't try to meme and say that LA is the best age when the complaints that it is the most one-dimensional of all of the ages is completely valid. It's not merely a coincidence that it also has the least amount of nations and as someone already pointed out the nations are literally humanity fuck yeah and pseudo-humanity fuck yeah: the nations.
LA is objectively the most boring age by any metric.
>>140924501
>complaints that it is the most one-dimensional of all of the ages is completely valid
Kek.
>>140923912
>>140924285
Oh look, it's another bunch of assholes spouting off "objective" arguments.
>>140924685
"objectively" is just the 4chan way of saying "in my very important opinion"
>>140923912
LA feels like everyone has Astral and Death, and the numbers back it up. On the other hand, EA has more Air, Earth, and Nature, which I find to be more interesting to play with.
I can do it too, nigger.
>>140922664
The problem isn't that they're all the same, the problem is they're a lot less different than EA or MA.
The majority of nations in LA primarily use an armored human unit, supplemented by crossbows (indie if they don't have national ones).
Mages add variety to the nations, but EA and MA have interesting unit variety on top of that.
Of course there's interesting nations in LA and boring nations in EA/MA, but LA has a much higher proportion of them as many nonhuman nations get human troops and/or lose their nonhumans.
>>140924938
>I can do it too, nigger.
Obviously you can't, because you're countering his facts with your opinions.
>>140925038
Look at the numbers he posted. I'm countering his opinions with my opinions. The numbers are the same, but the assertion that his favorite magic paths are more interesting than mine is merely an opinion.
>>140925038
> LA has much more Astral, Death and Blood, WHICH I FIND TO BE MORE INTERESTING TO PLAY WITH.
>his facts
>>140925038
>makes a post complaining about everyone in EA having access to a path
>posts image showing that in LA it's even more skewed toward "everyone" having astral
ebin
>>140925151
>>140925116
It's not about favorite paths, that's what you're trying to turn it into. The fact is that LA has the best magic variety of all nations. And saying you find Air and Earth more interesting, while a valid opinion, has no relevance to that, especially because there are still plenty of nations in LA that use those paths.
>>140924938
Right, but I never claimed that one was objectively better. I'm just saying that I like LA more.
>>140924963
How different are the nations of the previous eras really, when it comes to useable units? Not much more, as far as I can tell.
>>140925254
The difference there is that air and earth dictate the ways battles go, whereas astral is more of a utility path* that gives you more strategic options. The best astral spell in the game is gateway, if you ask me.
*Unless you spam stellar cascades, but most of LAs astral nations can't do that.
>ITT: I DON'T LIKE IT SO IT'S OBJECTIVELY THE WORST, STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!
/domg/ - Autism General
>>140885985
Oh tough guy? Do not think aggression will be unrequited
>>140885062
I am here
>>140925679
Get in steam chat friendo, there's stuff to be discussed.
>>140925312
>How different are the nations of the previous eras really, when it comes to useable units? Not much more, as far as I can tell.
Well, there's Abysians (very offensively focused troops with heat auras), elves (glamour), pale ones (high HP, poor combat stats), all of which cease to exist completely in LA.
Pangaea goes from stealthy low-armor troops that do very well with buffs to basically humans with a slightly better statline in the transition from MA to LA as well.
Jotun Giants and Jew Giants get human frontline troops in LA, which they lacked before it.
Probably more, but I think what I've provided is a decent amount of evidence.
Anybody who is not yet in the Gryphon removal alliance is cordially invited to join.
Several players armies are moving as we speak.
>>140927283
it should also be noted that Ragha has basically used nothing but gryphons for the entire game and has very little mage support outside the capital
>>140927671
Might I ask the parties involved on this brand crusade?
>>140927671
Doing a techrush?
Either way, he's too big (and expanding) to be left unchecked.
>>140926214
Midgard still has sacred Vans btw.
>>140927783
Chinks, Goatmen and Midgard (on the recieving end) as far I can see. No clue about the neighbours on the other side.
>>140927783
>>140927824
at the moment pan, China, and Mictlan, Midgard was previously fighting him but is now fending off abysia who is growing fat off free food
>>140926214
Hmm. Yeah, you're probably right in general, in that LA has significantly less variety.
That said, I think LA has -enough- variety to still be interesting. R'lyeh, Atlantis, Xibalba, Ragha, Gath*, Patala, Utgård, Midgård, Pangea, C'tis, Caelum, T'ien Ch'i and Mictlan all have something unique and interesting to toy with (if, in Patala's case, not necessarily something particularly effective).
*Not only do they have giants, they have recruit-anywhere sacreds.
>>140927926
Mictlan is on board? That's good to hear.
>>140925781
I'm there friendo
Why is the music so good holy shit I'm so comf right now
>>140927909
Almost gone, then.
>>140927980
Gath and Utgard still have giants, but they have significantly less incentive to use them because now they have human troops instead, and there are few things giants do better than humans.
Gath does get rec-anywhere sacreds, but they're really boring sacreds: standard humans with armor.
>>140927980
But yeah, I agree there's still a decent amount of interesting to go around.
It's just the age where you're most likely to meet a nation using boring infantry backed up with boring crossbows.
>>140905080
What a stupid meme.
>>140929874
>Gath does get rec-anywhere sacreds, but they're really boring sacreds: standard humans with armor.
Aren't they the good patrollers?
>>140931507
They are, but he's right that in combat terms, they're nothing special. That said, I still do think that recruit-anywhere sacreds are inherently a very notable feature on a nation that can very easily justify a good bless.
>Wake up
>Our great dream called Ermor is still dead
Will LA Pythium ever step up to the plate and recreate greatest empire ?With sneks
>>140932085
I really wish Gath had access to grigori again with the renewal of the blood cult
>>140932869
I wish there was more national magic in general, in all ages.
I mean some nations get a wealth of cool stuff, while others get nothing at all. Even worse, many of the nations that are most boding to begin with don't get any unique magic to make up for it, while nations that are already different/unique get national magic on top of it. I don't even care that some national magic is rather weak or overpriced, it's just cool to have some unique shit to cast that nobody else has.
>>140933149
lets not forget nations getting spells they have no native access too as well! (ashdod, gath, i'm looking at you again!)
>>140933508
>nations getting spells they have no native access too as well!
I don't really mind that, at least when they're inherited from previous incarnations of the nation. Like Hinnom -> Ashdod, Lanka -> Bandar, EA Mictlan -> MA Mictlan, etc. It's a neat way to emphasise that a certain type of magic has fallen out of favor, but the knowledge is still there. And if you break into the right paths, it still gives you all the benefits. Like breaking into Blood as Bandar is a pretty big deal, because it gives them access to all of Lanka's toys.
>>140933508
To be fair, Asdod/Gath get national magic from a lore perspective as well.
>>140933149
>http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2927
>>140934085
Yeah, nah.
>>140932869
The problem is that while blood magic may have returned, the Avvim are dead and the Nephilim long gone. So too, as far as I can understand it, is the cult that worshipped them: While Gath has indeed revived blood sacrifice, it seems more to be a component in a continuation of the faith of Ashdod, replacing the old banquets. That idea is supported by the fact that Iassacharite sages are merely rediscovering "the forbidden lore of the Grigori",
>>140933149
If you have the time and the ability to find some primary or reliable secondary sources on mystic and religious beliefs in the areas and periods associated with some of the nations you deem most unfairly neglected, I'm sure that Illwinter would be happy to hear from you.
That's not sarcasm, by the way. If you can do this, you definitely should.
>>140934490
I probably could if I wasn't a lazy piece of shit.
But yeah it's a good idea. Something to keep in mind for when I have a chunk of free time.
The curse has been lifted. Do not forget the GRAND Ulmish contribution to this cause.
>>140934136
>Wants more national magic
>Is given a mod with "A full suite of national spells for every nation"
>"Yeah, nah."
mfw
>>140937048
It would be cool if adding some flavourful national spells was all it did. But that mod is a complete clusterfuck which has no place outside of memegames.
>tfw you completely fuck up your first few turns of expansion
>>140937762
Every game I am in this happens.
I've never won.
>>140933149
I think most of the nation winrates can be modeled by considering blood nations, and national summons. You'd get a semi-accurate statistic and you could solve 90% of the balance in the game just by evening out power scaling so magic gems can be produced/acquired at the same rate as blood, and by giving all nations late game national summons.
>>140937997
Sounds like you need to play 9 months of SP.
>Stay small
>Big nation just outright runs over you
>Get large
>WOW NATION X IS HUGE LET'S GET HIM
>Stay medium
>NATION X IS A THREAT LATEGAME LET'S DOGPILE HIM
What the fuck domtards?
>>140938285
>thinks he can just do whatever he wants without a littlel diplo
>>140938285
Just be yourself m8.
Because really, posting your production capacity, research, scales, and battle plans is genius. As is sending unsupported, box formation, infantry into flaming arrows and super sacreds. All this for air gems that I would've traded for.
PS. Will trade air gems for earth gems, call me!
>>140938624
I'm interested my greatest friend. i'll contact you later in steam chat if you are on that late
>>140938285
>Mfw domg prefers eating weaker nations than forming coalitions against the strongest.
I'd like some form of impromptu alliances, like becoming someone's discipline midgame. Then being able to break away on your own again. Fighting stronger nations out of choice is just a bad idea. You risk putting yourself in serious danger and you help the people who are bound to be your enemies. You're always just better off eating the weak nations around you until it's down to three super nations and a bunch of AI. At which point it's mostly just who spawned next to the most T3/T2 thrones.
>Gyth has Well of Misery+GoH+Tarts
Looks like they're ready to take on the world and win then. Cause that's a statement that everyone combined can't beat them.
>>140938846
>You're always just better off eating the weak nations
>/domg/ actually believes this
>>140938748
I'll back in 7 hours.
>>140939192
>>Attack strong nation
>Stunt growth and research, risk being stabbed in the back by opportunists and king makers
>>Attack weak nation
>Free provinces and cap gems
>>140939445
>attack strong nation
>if you win you're now the strong nation, if you lose you lose
>attack weak nation
>strong nation does the same and does it faster than you, so now you're even further behind
>>140939445
>>140939578
If you're simplifying it down to this level, why even bother playing the game? Clearly you've already covered all the options.
I like how Pythium has three gem gen globals but nobody gives a shit because it's Pythium
So, since my last question didn't get a lot of response, I'll try again, with a bit more detail:
How the fuck do you script 1500 units and 110 mages with full diversity.
>>140940153
Autism.
>Have an amphibious commander
With amphibious troops, he could cross this river no problem.
>Have flying troops
With a flying commander, they could cross this river no problem.
Why, exactly, can an amphibious commander not lead flying troops over a river? Does he get underwater and make all the troops confused by the lack of a commander because they can't see him? Have Dominions troops not developed object permanence?
>>140939578
>if you win you're now the strong nation
Do you suddenly get their mages and summons because they took their cap? Their sacreds? Any of the things that actually make them strong? No you just get their land. Farms are gr8 but xibalba doesn't win games because they turn plains into farms when they take the provinces. Big != strong. Most of the land will get vultured anyway if you are thinking big = strong, so you wont even make that much.
>strong nation does the same and does it faster than you
So you both attacked the same dude at the same time. It happens. Take the provinces you can and then move on to the next target. Take provinces that look crucial to him and give you a foot up when he attacks you/he becomes the weakest nation through elimination.
>>140940153
Autohotkey and bash.
C'tis, I'm going to kindly request that you leave my summer home.
This battle would have gone so much better if unit sneaking into a fort got to battle on the same turn. Not like I needed Army of Lead anyway.
Or the Master Enslave with +2 pen (after the -4)
>>140940232
Am, tried, didn't work. Please suggest alternate solution.
>>140940239
OK but how do I actually decide what to do beyond the initial "all the battlefield spells sounds like a good idea except probably not quagmire"
>>140940590
Cast everything desu.
Also, are all these horror attacks you C'tis, or is Mictlan miss aiming?
Or are they just random horror attacks all happening next to each other, I don't even anymore.
>>140940706
Fire Storm and Mass Protection it is.
>>140940239
>Big != strong.
Economic strength translates into military strength. If a nation is strong but small, you can usually overwhelm them easily.
> Take the provinces you can and then move on to the next target.
Again, a strong nation will do the same and do it faster than you. Assuming players of more or less equal skill and he doesn't get fucked by the map layout, you're not going to out-expand a stronger nation. So what happens is that you get bigger, he gets bigger faster than you, and you end up in a worse situation that you're already in.
Ignoring a strong nation is never a good idea, because with only a few exceptions that strength is only going to get magnified as the game goes on. You used Xibalba as an example, but it's the perfect example of why you're wrong. An early game EA Xibalba can get overwhelmed easily as long as you can blitz his production centers. However, if you ignore him and let him grow large and hit his research goals, you reach a point where he simply can't be stopped anymore. It doesn't matter that you ate two weak nations in the mean time, because he's not just going to stale until you're bigger than him.
>>140940239
Size isn't everything, but it is by far the most important thing.
Xibalba might have crazy summons and blood magic, but if they're fighting someone twice their size (who isn't retarded) they're going to lose to weight of numbers.
>>140940590
First do all beneficial battlefield spells. Check them before every fight too, they're really important. Toss up any battlefield enchantments which you think will hurt the enemy more than you as well.
Next, set a few spellcasters from each path on anti-SC duty. Stuff like Incinerate, Frozen Heart, Soul Slay, Drain Life, Disintegrate, Charm, etc. The more varied you can make the countermeasures, the better.
After that separate out the remaining mages by paths (A2, F2, D2, etc). For each group decide on a useful spell they can cast, and copy that script to the whole group. Assume your enemy will also have every buff in the game active, so things which aren't negated by resistances/protection/MR/etc are best.
>i'll never be able to play this game
>>140941636
Cheers! Not all applicable to this particular situation, but it's a good set of guidelines for me to go by.
I don't suppose you have similar wisdom for troop positioning in later stages?
>>140940570
Sorry, but the ghostbusters are here to stay.
Also, don't you love it when your Tartarian factory produces multiple Send Horror casters? Because I definitely do.
>>140941714
What do you lack? Autism? Money? Friends?
Mictlan buddy can we talk in the steam chat?
>>140943165
Sure
I'm going to play a SP game with loads of spell mods.
Which nation should I choose to cast ALL the spells?
>>140943034
money
>>140942137
I usually dump a decent amount of chaff at the front so they tank enemy spells in place of actually useful units, then place the useful units starting with the strongest somewhere around the middle of the field and moving down to the weakest non-chaff at the back.
I would suggest you not rely on your troops being exactly where you placed them in large battles, since you're bound to have overlapping formations and where your units actually end up depends which order the formations are placed on the field (it's probably deterministic, but too much work to figure out).
I don't worry too much about formations or orders because it's hard to do anything precisely, and because there's just too many troops on the field to do anything fancy. Both sides' mages are going to be buried somewhere in the middle of their troop blobs, and the two troop blobs will meet in the center and very slowly whittle each other down. Set a few troops to guard your mages in case of Howl, and the rest can be on attack or hold and attack.
>>140943405https://mega.nz/#!3wpkWIKQ!v1THky_egFtEua0kiZQ-aPbVjCKgWRHwrHMEGD6YFvc
I'm not really sure what you expected from that battle, Ulm.
>>140942820
I know the feel. If you had any more unforted temples near me to pop, I'd pop them.
Still, in time, all will be defended by living castles and wizard's tower. You'll also love the surprise I've prepared for you inside that fleet.
But did I inflict good damages senpai?
>>140939124
I don't actually have tarts and GoH isn't doing jack shit for me, but i have a condition that makes me want to plug holes in global spell list when nobody else does.
>>140943579
thanks, but even if it's up to mp date it's just a temporary measure.
maybe one day i'll get lucky and find about a sale.
>>140943405
Good talk, Sauro you around too?
>>140944173
if you had wated a few more turns I could have fixed that issue for you friend
>>140944173
You have Well of Misery and GoH. That means you will have tarts the moment you hit conjuration 9. And a lot of them. With that kind of death gem income you can just empower your way to D7 if nothing else.
Its on par or even stronger than nexus wish engines, depending on how many gems are being spent.
Trust me unlimited tart works is a pita to fight
>>140938846
That's a load of shit anon.
That's just allowing the big threats to run away with the game.
>>140943615
>But did I inflict good damages senpai?
Yes, but it's a little depressing to think about how little of your or my overall forces that actually represents.
I'm starting to wish Flames From the Sky came in global form :P
>>140943297
The one with the most new spells I'd imagine
>>140949031
Purgatory.
>>140949561
Being LA C'tis I'm pretty sure that would do more harm than good. Plus it only affects my own dominion. Seems like a decent option if Lemuria somehow breaks through my defenses, but so far all they seem to be able to do is poke my armies from behind their castle walls.
>>140949743
Doesn't Purgatory only affect enemies?
>>140949031
Right. Like, I killed 15 Sauromancers and some shit, big whoop. I had 1 tart, and a base death 7 Grand Lemur, but I have a bunch of those.
What would be a big battle in most games, for us is just a minor skirmish.
>>140949743
Nope, it doesn't effect your own undead
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=1463&st=0
>>140949864
>>140949958
WHAT. Holy crap, the description does state "enemy!" This changes things substantially.
It's still not likely to help much, given I have to cast it through Astral Corruption and it's likely to bounce off the current globals, but that's very good to know.
Reading Comprehension is not my strong suit, apparently.
>>140944173
Your patrols aren't as good as you think they are. Obvious lying is obvious.
>>140949864
Hmm, is Purgatory a Dominion effect? Not sure how that works.
If its a dominion effect though, it won't mean much. Gonna fucking laugh tears if it dispels Well of Misery or Gift of Health though.
I love it when my shit mage gets sniped by 3 brave men 9999 tiles away.
At least now he doesn't have to be sad that he and his colleagues are worse than soothsayers.
>>140950762
It's a dominion effect, yeah. 10% chance per candle of hitting every enemy undead. It doesn't deal a lot of damage so stronger undead are likely to survive it, but in high dominion it rapes chaff-based armies like those Lemuria and Ermor are likely to use.
>>140950981
Ah good, if it's a dominion effect it occurs AFTER natural dom spread. Meaning no preaching cheese.
Makes my cute raiding parties kind of worthless, but they already weren't worth much. My dominion has been slowly grinding away at Ctis for awhile now.
And once the backlogs of the air plane are FINALLY filled . . .
blitz in 30 minutes
>>140950393
Please post a province with tarts.
Hey, let's not have this thread slip off of page 10 shall we?
I'd appreciate it if you guys could submit some pictures and suggest some descriptions for the new roster additions, I'm drawing a blank at the moment. Link: http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//domg/
>>140956212
>all number 1
Fix this
>>140956402
All in due time. Have patience. Once I've finished the export(which might be as late as the 24th) I'll see about updating the numbers and positions on the wiki.
>>140956212
Why are we losing so much you hack
>>140956768
Because I'm a scrub :^)
But we only did terribly in leagues 2 and 5, we got into the knockouts in 3 and 4. Not so coincidentally, I was running a retarded defense setup in 2 and 5, but conventional 4-man backlines in 3 and 4.
>>140940570
What map are you playing on? I don't think I have that one
>>140957647
Latus. It's... kind of a huge fucking mess.
Is there a way to watch the multiplayer games going on? Basically just spectator mode? Wanna see how other people play to improve my own strategies and git gud
>>140958027
Nope.
>>140958027
Some noob wanted to make a let's play. Also, there are Maerlande's let's plays on YT. Look them up.
>>140951618
not even that guy, but why would you put a big red flag on you with a "Dogpile on me" message on it if you didn't have at least 5-10 tarts waiting somewhere to heal from feebleminded?
>>140958027
You could ask nicely for someone to send you their .2h files. Theoretically llamaserver could do this, but it's pretty niche feature and somewhat open to abuse.
>>140958027
If you want I can send you the .trn and .2h files froms games I've been in/am in, as >>140964318 suggests.
>>140940881
They're mostly me. I dunno what else is going on in your seas though. I've lost most of my non-fort temples to random horror attacks :|
>>140964659
To be honest I don't know wtf is going on with Horrors anymore. It's really hard to tell which are being sent and which are just random occurrences. Same goes with Horror Seed casts.
Why would you do this?
>10 hp
>>140965543
I would bend it over and rape it in the Ethereal butt until it becomes my personal buttslut for all eternity, sucking my dick as I reign from my pokémon throne.
>>140965034
Have you cast Horror Seed, or is Xibalba doing it to you? Any insight into how it works?
>invade berry
>take all their provinces on my side of the border save the fort with my expansion force
>their collective army comes and drives it off
>come back around with my main army and beat the shit out of them (with pretender and prophet in their army)
>while my main army is deployed, quadbless chinks invade me
>get gangbanged
>go ai
>>140938624
Are you seriously trying to brag about losing all your territory to me, then losing with your main army of elite troops, heavily buffed with equal chaff losses on my side, and then getting someone else to take my territory while I was out beating your ass?
You literally posted the image of your main army getting crushed by about half my forces and cut off most of your losses.
>>140968429
>>140968760
somebody got bullied, should have recruited mercs
>>140968842
Going anonymous doesn't make you look better.
I beat your entire nation's elite army with your awake combat pretender and prophet with half my troops, taking small losses to chaff. Ti'en Chi beat the shit out of me because he's got a triplebless and massed all his forces on empty provinces for an easy sweep of a nation at war.
Sounds like you're just mad about being so bad you manage to lose a war to EA Ulm. With an awake pretender. That you used against them.
>>140969120
you seem so mad you'll say anyone is berry now huh? nothing personal kid, I just like baiting bad players
>>140969278
Sure, you're just an anonymous poster, posting in the exact style of Berry, who jumps immediately to their defense and gets super salty about it.
Ti'en Ch'i will probably eat you next. If you can lose badly to a mediocre player on EA Ulm of all nations, a triplebless china will sweep your ass.
>>140968429
He's an Ulm player. Be grateful he only went AI and didn't start chainstaling the moment things stopped going his way.
>>140959193
Denying slots to other oversized players (there are at least two with really good toolsets), denying actual tartarian factories, making myself harder to invade.
I mean, i could sit on my butt, let somebody get their own GoH and tarts but why not make it harder?
>>140970313
Because by having Well of Misery + GoH you literally force, in the mind of all, 2 options
Invade you immediately, as you have a game winning global combo.
Or have there own disgusting combo. From you saying there are two other big players, unless they have an Nexus/Wish powerplant, or are about to cast Astral Corruption, they're not really that big in comparison.
I suppose the third option is to just hand the game to you, but w/e. Or dispel it ofc. That's always an option too.
Are there any good assassins or ludicrously sneaky units to summon as Ermor? I.e. mainly death focused but could also do stuff like nature, blood (sort of), astral and fire.
>>140971385
Can't you just put a black heart on something that can do skellyspam?
>>140971385
The only summonable assassins are national summons, and Ermor doesn't get any. Your best bet is to summon something sneaky and give it a Black Heart if you have some blood access.
>>140969518
I like how you accuse everyone of being salty because they criticize your shit play.
I also like how exactly what I told you would happen, happened.
>>140937225
It's not THAT much of a clusterfuck. There were only a handful of stupid things that I saw, out of the first few hundred spells I reviewed. (The ermor change being by far the worst, and he's fixing that already).
>>140972512
>It's not THAT much of a clusterfuck.
It is though. Sure, there's not too much stuff that's blatantly overpowered, but there's literally no reason to go and just add 600 spells to the game just because you can. There's no real thought or strategy behind most of it other than MUST ADD MORE.
>>140972727
Sorry, I'm not sure I actually understand this criticism. Are you familiar with modding at all?
>>140972229
I don't recall anyone telling me 'You are going to beat Berytos easily and then get eaten by the triplebless nation above you'.
In fact, the part that people were arguing with me was that it would be much, much harder to beat Berytos if I didn't sneakattack important provinces first. It was easy enough that I stick to my original assertion that it would have been a huge, unnecessary delay to get into position.
But hey, feel free to claim you were right because of something completely unrelated. It would be unwise of me to criticize such a certified dominions pro as yourself.
>>140944632
If you're still here, I'll be in steam chat for the next hour.
>>140973071
I am, and I wonder why you think that's relevant.
If you're just modding something for the hell of it, sure, go ahead and add a billion pointless things to the game. But if you're going to put your mod online expecting people to actually use it, you might actually want to think things through a bit more.
Ay domg where can I get some good maps?
>>140973206
>make a war unnecessarily longer
>drag it so much it gives berry more time to diplo your neighbors
>make you look more tempting by draining your resources and research
>IT'S NOT MY FAULT CHINA DECIDED TO INVADE ME WHILE I WAS WEAKER!
for someone who "breat berytos easily" he seems so alive while you are here crying salty tears and going AI
>>140973576
See, you claim to be familiar with modding, and then do something like question the point of a content-expansion mod, when they make up a very significant amount of all modding efforts in all games, and tend to be pretty popular.
Not only this, but one of the joys of modding is sharing your work with others, even if it doesn't wind up as a community standard or whatever.
Finally, Red_Rob is getting a pretty positive response to this creation, and several people have already grabbed it to try out. I'd say that his expectation that people would "actually use it" is entirely justified.
>>140974240
>in reality, I am the better player, because I convinced his neighbor to invade while he was conquering me!
Just put your name on, Berry.
>>140974364
I'm not questioning the point of a content expansion mod, I'm questioning the point of a content exapansion mod where no actual plan seems to be behind the content added, other than MORE=BETTER.
Positive response is no argument. I'm sure My Little Pony mods for Skyrim also get pages and pages of positive response. That doesn't make them appropriate or even good.
>>140774502
What's that then? Sounds interesting
>>140975256
Lambert decided 25 simultaneous games of Dominions weren't enough and decided to host a Dominions-themed D&D game.
Crux thought it would be a good idea to document the game.
https://cruxador.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/dungeons-dragons-and-dominions/
>>140974630
You explicitly posted that your invasion was leaving you stretched out, and that you were bordering a megablessed TC. Somebody (me, who isn't in the game) ironically falseflagged TC as about to invade you to point out that you had just described your own point of weakness.
But yeah, going AI as soon as he got invaded by somebody bigger definitely showed how salty berry was. Oh, right. That wasn't berry, that was you.
>>140974760
So, your criticism is that you don't see a coherent theme?
>>140975794
I'm not going AI because I got invaded, I'm going AI because I lost. The image that was posted in berry's misconstrued 'losses' was me losing 350 or so men to Ti'en Chi's megablessed army that was sieging my capital, to which he lost maybe fifty troops out of maybe four hundred?
Regen, quickened, death weapons summon armies for a rush are really not something an unprepared Ulm can deal with. With my fort under siege, I'm making about 300 income a turn, and Berry's remaining armies are trying to come back to take the scraps. It's not late enough in the game to be able to bane venom and fuck around with middle fingers like that, so there's really no point to my sticking around.
Also, link to where I posted that, or show a screenshot. Because I don't think I've missed a thread since and have no memory whatsoever of that. Maybe it was just stupid and I forgot it immediately, I dunno. My name's not password protected or anything though.
>>140975794
Not necessarily a clear theme, but some kind of unifying vision or design at least. Adding stuff is cool, but with a game like Dominions which already has a shitload of spells, simply adding more ironically doesn't necessarily actually add anything to the game. I haven't gone thtough all of the spells added and I doubt I'll ever take the effort to, but to me it seems like very little actual thought went into the design of the spells and what they would or wouldn't add to the game. It's just a simple-minded "add more stuff" mentality that doesn't seem to care one bit for the game itself.
As far as I can see, the biggest change the mod makes to the game is cluttering the spell list with a load of trivial bullshit. In a game where there are already a lot of spells that are niche at best, that's not a good thing by any measure.
>>140976397
The unifying theme is "there are lots of mid game generic spells, but not many end-game rituals and globals, and not many national spells. There should be more of those."
>>140976295
What a wuss, did you see me go AI when was attacked by almost all my neighbors and had my cap taken? I swear, kids these days.
>>140975794
>Oh, right. That wasn't berry, that was you.
Quick, someone find Hippocrates, for such severe burns as this are rarely witnessed!
>>140969518
you seem to like going on about EA ulm being a bad nation or something when berry's early game is pretty damn weak compared to yours
>>140976397
Whether or not you see the need for a mod is a terrible standard for whether or not it should be made.
Also, reading through the desura thread makes it clear that a substantial amount of thought went into making this. That you don't think much did after what you've admitted is a cursor inspection is your problem, and not a meaningful criticism.
also, that's not how you use the word ironically.
>>140976893
You certainly win points for persistence. You haven't been able to recruit much of anything for a while, your cap has been taken for several turns and yet you're still holding on with a big doomblob of sacreds. If I can manage to be only half as much trouble to take down as you when that inevitably happens I'll be content.
speaking of salt mines are you back yet berry? ready to jump into chat when you are
>>140976831
Right, the theme is "let's add more," if you choose to call that a theme. That's what I'm saying. That's not a design philosophy I think is worth entertaining.
Adding more endgame diversity and national spells would have been a decent theme if the overall design of the mod actually supported that theme. But adding 600 random spells isn't supporting any kind of theme, that's just cramming in loads of shit because you like big numbers.
>>140977307
>all these posts whining about why I don't want to use a certain mod
>j-just because you like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be made!
Don't try to strawman me, please. I never once said it shouldn't have been made.
>that's not how you use the word ironically
Shut up Alanis.
>>140977307
Does the mod have a changelog yet? Something that made that many changes damn well should.
Not touching it until then.
>>140978129
No, he said it'll be out in a week or so. There was an early version pushed out because somebody requested it.
Wasn't there some suspiciously similar Ulm-retard bitching a week or two ago? I don't want to paint the whole nation with the same brush but there's someone out there who joins games as the nation then pussies out the instant things get difficult.
>>140979781
Not me. I'm not in any other games.
I really can't think of a time more appropriate to go AI than having near zero gem income, less than 200 gold in normal income, your capital under huge siege by a triplebless nation, and your standing armies eaten by bless.
Ulm players are subhuman.
>>140980279
Just like real Germans.
>>140977980
While there may be something to the accusation that I fell into the "let's add more" trap, the guiding theme was actually "make playing each nation feel more unique". Each nation having it's own spells is one more way playing Berytos feels different to playing T'ien Ch'i.
The final release will include a stripped down version with just the national spells and nothing else, and even then any spells that cause balance problems will also be removed. This version might be more to some people's taste. Or not, you'll never please all of the people all of the time and all that.
>>140980742
I'm not expecting any mod to be perfect, but I'm definitely more interested in the stripped down version than the current beta version.
My god (goddess?) is a fucking whore. Every night she runs off to see a horror, except on some nights when she sees 2.
Can I get a god change to my A3E2F2W2B2N2D5S12 mage?
>>140938624
>>140977914
My good friend and neighbor Berytos, how are things?
I will give you double the rate on the gems you want if you don't give any to Hinnom.
>>140983615
I'm pretty sure I can out E gem machaka. Besides why would you help your neighbor when you can help the enemy of your future enemies?one who works WITH ELVES of all people
>>140983798
I've been pretty lucky with the E gems, mayne.
>[current year of our pantokrator]
>not relying on meme magic and L3M3 for all your gem needs
>>140965543
For amusement
>>140984120
if you were so lucky you wouldn't be trying to steal my most holy mountains oh vey. Remember the 6 million chariots!
>>140984313
Not even posting best girl can save you, jew. Your holocausting of poor innocent elves will not be forgotten.
>>140984720
elves are alive and well and raiding sauro just fine, but you wouldn't understand that listening to half-dead elf lies. Feel free to pay me 250 gold to just leave now without dying btw
>>140981387
RedRob did say he was going to offer different versions of the mod, with national spells, generic spells, and both.
>>140969120
>entire nation's elite army with your awake combat pretender
Elite Army? This is EA Berytos were are talking about, right? Where my main infantry unit is in linen armor? Combat Pretender? Your F4E6 Pretender would've done just as good. You were bragging about your military superiority when you can't even get a decisive victory against a army 2/3's the size of yours, whose lineblocker are guys in freaking linen armor, with army that has guys with steel in their name all over the damn place.
Your took a forest, a cave, and wastelands and proclaimed easy victory. You were so sure that you were massively out producing me when I have more forts that you. You freaking sent an army into a massive stack of super sacreds without proper mage support.
Also stop calling other people me, I've posted like three times.
>>140984720
>>140984313
On steam chat now. Also Elves has been AI for quite some time
>>140990872
Ah fug this, I'm going to work, just send me an in-game message.
>>140991476
I"m in there right now fgt get in there
>>140991713
Well I'm there now.
>>140964615
That'd be awesome. Throwaway email is [email protected]
>bully games
deeeed
>>140980742
>even then any spells that cause balance problems will also be removed
Please don't focus too hard on that, I'd like to see a mod which doesn't try to keep the same old nations strong.
It's not like current national spells are well-balanced anyway, look at tlahuelpuchi and ozelotl. It'd be nice to have something comparably strong on other nations, or even just as a generic spell.
Not ded
Any not disciples games starting up?
>>140958192
That was me, got distracted from life I might do one next game or from the midgame of my current game.
So I've yet to get an indie scout province and am pretty much blind. If anyone sees me coming their way and wants to establish a border let me know.
>>140990872
Berytos has better armor than EA Ulm, actually.
You have 10g troops with 10 protection and shields (not sure why you'd be using linen as your frontline instead of those guys), compared to Ulm's 10g troops with 10 protection and no shields.
If you're looking at more expensive troops you still win, having 12g troops with 14 protection and shields compared to Ulm's 13g troops with 11 protection and shields, or Ulm's 12g troops with 13 protection and no shields.
>>141006123
Yeah, I'll grant that bullyberry is off the mark as to why, but lets not pretend that ulm's army is at an early game disadvantage vs. Berry's
>>141006123
You're right. The main advantage of the linen guys is that they also benefit from flaming arrows, which was I was using them. I really can't use the more expensive troops in that situation though, due to MM1. That said, Ulm has much more killy troops with dual wielding.
dddddddeeee
team 4 pick you memes
>>141008585
>but lets not pretend that ulm's army is at an early game disadvantage vs. Berry's
Yeah, Bery's troops should have vanished almost as soon as the Steel Maidens reached melee.
I can only assume Ulm sat back and let Berytos pummel his troops with flaming arrows.
>>141008652
I figured it was due to resource limitations. I'm not sure javelins are worth it, I've never found them to be much use personally.
>>140943034
Autism.
The most I can enjoy is games of CoE4, and even that is reaching sometimes.
I just don't have the time and energy anymore. Used to do massive Civ and SMAC-X games that would take months to go through, but somewhere along the line I just lost it.Maybe when my allergy meds gave me a mini-stroke or three...
Still enjoy reading and watching the shit-talking though, even if I only get about a third of it.
>>141013557
Just play some short blitzes with an EZ nation like MA Ulm/Agartha
Anyone want me to make an all MA T'ien game?
>>141013860
Please stop recommending that new people play MA Ulm; it teaches terrible habits.
>>141015543
What's wrong with MUlm?
>>141015589
It's just such an extreme nation where all the usual rules don't apply.
Your infantry's invulnerable to archer fire so you don't bother with arrow catchers, your forging is almost free so you don't stop to evaluate efficiency enough and you don't value a high gem income, your magic diversity is utter trash so you don't consider the majority of the game's magic, you have no sacreds aside from your three priests so a good bless doesn't even begin to be a consideration. It's just so... weird and different from most of Dominions. It may be easy to play, but it's not representative of the general experience.
>>141015943
You mean they got all their bases covered. EA Agartha is sorta similar but with crappier troops.
>>141016075
>You mean they got all their bases covered
If that was what I meant, I'd've said that. What I mean is that there's virtually no area of the game where Ulm isn't at some extreme or another, and that means that someone who gets used to thinking of them as the default - as you tend to do if you start out with something and then play it a lot - will have a really skewed view of the game.
>>141017003
I mean they're a good nation for beginners. They're easy to understand and while they have a limited toolset, are really, really good with what they have. They're supposed to be very straightforward without any big gimmicks like flying or glamour.
What's a good EA Agartha early expansion army? Earth reader, 6 olms and 20 paleone soldiers?
>>141017724
Olms and pale ones pretty much murder everything with average to low MR.
>>141017330
I just think you learn too many bad habits. I'd much rather people recommend e.g. the nation I started MP with, MA T'ien Ch'i. They have a wide range of troops which are basic enough to understand but varied enough to teach the new player about the pros and cons of various types of soldiers, they have massable mages that can be deployed in a manner that is both easy and effective, and they also have huge diversity via their cap-only recruits. I learned more from losing with MA T'ien Ch'i than I would have from winning as Ulm.
MAGE SUPPORT
>>141018658
Now get to work on that stack occupying your capital.
>>141018658
Congratulations, you beat 447 gold worth of troops, a commander and an earth serpent using 1033 gold worth of troops and 2515 gold worth of mages. Truly, 'tis an incredible victory.
How do you get an admin password for a game? Admin said he didn't want to play anymore and didn't bother to set himself to AI or get a sub
>>141019964
e-mail llama
Well, my throne rush failed (because for some fucking reason, we need 10/12 to win). As I can't beat Jotunheim, and nobody else stands a chance in hell, I am conceding the game. I have no interest in taking this beyond turn 94; this game has already gone on for far too long.
GG Jotunheim, well played.
Here another Learning new Mechanics the hardway story
>Year 3 rolling across the map on single player game swallowing up AI
>Starting to feel like I've got the hang of this game.
>Continent bottlenecks around C'tis so I combine my armies into one to roll through
>Invade a province in his dominion
>Suddenly out of nowhere D9 Lich Pretender
>Breaks every single bone in my army
>Skelly Spams enought to kill a fith of my army before finally getting taken down.
>Was so glad that was over
>MFW next turn the immortal bastard is back again to do THE SAME DAMN THING the next turn
>>141021397
Not really about new mechanics, but speaking of learning things the hard way... here's me learning about proper positioning.
>>141012257
Nah his frontline did near vaporize mine when they got there. The thing was, most of his frontline would be dead as well because box formation, so we both took losses. I still had stuff held back and had less committed so I was okay with that.
>>141021513
Well it was like my 3rd game ever and I didn't know there was such a thing as immortal units or spells that could break the kneecap of every single one of my soldiers.
>>141021753
Wait until you learn about the spell that blinds everyone on the battlefield. Or any of the ones that just blast everyone at random.
FUCK NOT AGAIN
>>141022150What happened?
>>141022323
Lost my expansion party of cap sacreds. You'd think this is a damn blitz map with how closely we're grouped together.
>>141022426
Must be nice having so many friends close to you. :3
>>141022150
Those are some terrible damn troops if they lose to my shitty army, my friend.
Sorry for the monkey trouble.
>>141021397
Just making sure you know: immortals will die properly if they die outside friendly dominion.
There's not much you can do if he's defending his own provinces (stealth priests and stone idols maybe) but you can make him unable to attack provinces you have taken by preaching until they have your dominion.
>>141021513
What did you do wrong? Archers ahead of the warriors?
>>141023014
>What did you do wrong? Archers ahead of the warriors?
I put them side by side. My reasoning was that the archers would pew pew at the approaching enemies and then keep their distance while the warriors did their thing.
which might have worked if there was only one group of enemies. Unfortunately, there were two. One of which was diced up by my warriors and the other engaged my archers completely unmolested until they were routed by the loss of the first group.
>>141022908
Sadly both celestials and monkeys like to go nude, which is pretty damn awful against arrows.
>>141023456
If it's any consolation, assuming you're mostly S, SE of that province I have no interest in expanding in that direction so there's no need to have nightmares about thousands of arrows hurtling your way.
Play your turns
>>141027794
Tomorrow.
Today's my dad's birthday, and tomorrow is a national holiday so I've got the day off anyway.
Can it just rain naturally?
That's fucked up.
Wow.
>>141029814
It can, but ordinary rain can't disrupt fire magic. Only magical rain can.
Yo Sauro, C'tis we need to talk. Get in the steam chat if you can.
>>141029958
Then why did my Diabolists go to 43 fatigue from Phoenix Power, and to 86 from one cast of Pillar of Fire?
>>141030042
Because you're fucking shit at math.
>>141030147
...excuse me?
Alright, let's say I made a mistake. Then please, tell me what that mistake is. Because the way I see if, casting a 20-fatigue spell on a 3 encumbrance mage should put you to 23, not 43. And casting another should then put you to 46, not 86.
>>141030250
Then post a full fucking turn file so I can shove your face into your obvious miscalculation, faget.
>>141030314
I'm not about to send you my turn file. The situation was as follows:
14 diabolists - F1B1, encumbrance 3, with 1 fire gem each - were reinforcing some PD against a small army. They were standing far back, scripted to cast Phoenix Power and then subsequently Pillar of Fire.
Upon watching the battle report, I find that it is raining. Not as a spell, not because of any global, but simply as a visual effect.
Turn 1, my diabolists cast Phoenix Power. They all go to 43 fatigue. The enemy then spends some time fucking around with Stellar Cascading the PD. No cascades hit the diabolists, who are out of range. Turn 2, the diabolists cast Pillar of Fire, all going to 86 fatigue. The enemy does the same again. Turn 3, the diabolists cast Pillar of Fire, and they go to 129. This is the last cast of the battle, as they're now at 129 fatigue rather than the 69 they ought to be.
With my diabolists only casting half as many pillars as they should, the enemy fails to rout, and I lose the battle.
Where was my mistake?
>>141029985
I'm there, with difficulty.
>>141030591
I have no idea without a turn file, broheim.
>>141030591
Playing Abysia
>>141031085
There are no other circumstances, so just fucking admit that mundane rain affects fire magic.
>>141031094
>Diabolists
>Abysia
No. Just... no.
>>141031193
>There are no other circumstances, so just fucking admit that mundane rain affects fire magic.
>admit that some unexplainable effect has only one explanation by observing only a single case
No.
>>141031283
Then suggest an alternate explanation. Any alternate explanation, no matter how unlikely. Because I'm not hearing any.
>>141031527
>Any alternate explanation, no matter how unlikely.
Your math is fucked.
OK, any suggestions from someone who isn't trolling?
>>141032023
>I'm incapable of making mistakes, anyone who suggests otherwise is trolling.
Rejakor go and stay go.
>>141032163
I'm not Rejakor, and look. There is barely any math to be fucked. There is barely any math, and it is so not fucked that if it were not for its near-nonexistence, it could double as a shadow vestal and an entire blood economy.
Fact 1: I have F1B1 mages with encumbrance 3.
Fact 2: Phoenix Power is an F2 spell costing 20 fatigue.
Fact 3: Pillar of Fire is an F2 spell costing 20 fatigue.
Fact 4: Immediately after casting Phoenix Power (using 1 gem), the F1B1 mage has accrued 43 fatigue. Its encumbrance remains 3. This is the case for all mages in the army.
Fact 5: The PD accrues no encumbrance for merely moving; it is hence not a static +encumbrance effect on the battlefield.
Fact 6: After casting Pillar of Fire, the mage (who is now F2B1 due to Phoenix Power) is at 86 fatigue. This is, again, the case for all mages in the army.
Every fire spell cast by my mages are costing 20 more fatigue than they should, which translates to a doubling of the base fatigue cost of the spells. The only effect of which I know that can cause a doubling of the cost of a fire spell is Rain. It is raining on the battlefield, not due to any spell, be it battlefield or global, nor has any event occured in the province that turn. The rain is, by all accounts, mundane.
So what other explanation exists than the doubling of the fatigue cost being due to the mundane rain?
>>141032663
Replays being notoriously inaccurate is one possible explanation. You getting your data wrong is another. But without taking a look at the actual turn, which you're not willing to let anyone do, there's no way to draw conclusions.
>>141032663
>i'm not going to give you a turn file, so mundane rain must affect fire spells
pathetic tbqh
>>141032887
>>141033432
Look, I can upload the turn file later, I just don't want to do it while it's the current turn.
>>141033716
That does look suspicious.
Still, I'd swear that Rain never messed with my fire casting unless it was magical rain. I'd go test it out but it's kind of a pain to make it rain without casting Rain...
>>141033716maybe it's a site that autocasts rainmaybe some mod fucks it up
>>141034130
We're only playing with Worthy Heroes 5.5, and I checked the turn file for when I originally conquered the province; there was no rain during that battle.
Looks like Illwinter is still alive at least, CoE4 got an update: http://steamcommunity.com/games/403950/announcements/detail/853807257471254949
>>141020527
Is that it, then? What did AI Agartha have in that fort of theirs?
>>141035146
Not much, but enough to make me into enemy territory. Oh well. You would have stopped me from taking Ulm's forts anyway.
>>141035385
AI Agartha has been really annoying this game because of all the masses of summons they've accumulated. Where is the level 3 throne, is it underwater?
>>141035612
No, that's the level 2. All the others are above ground.
But yeah, idk. This game shouldn't have had this high a throne requirement, at least not when there are level 3s and 2s. If I'd wanted to win, I'd've had to take literally all but the throne of knowledge.
>>141035969
Well, I'm not complaining:^)
It's going to take a while to get all the thrones though.
>>141018263
This "bad habits" thing is overwrought. Dominions isn't a reflexive game. You have time to deliberate. Habits aren't a thing.
60 archers can't shoot when they're in a formation with ten non-archers, even when set to fire?
God damn it illwinter.
>>141037621
The best I've been able to figure out how mixing archers with non-archers works it's that it's unreliable and inconsistent.
I once played a natgen game with sacred archers that turned into metal men on death. Sometimes it'd work just fine, occasionally one of them would die, turn into a robutt and drag the entire formation into melee with him.
It's almost over now.
This game was a wild ride, but the last 40 turns were the most boring I've ever played on /domg/. Which is in large part my own fault, but fuck it, I had a shot at winning a game by domkilling the entire world and I'll be damned if I wasn't going to take it.
>>141018658
I'll graciously let you brag about that one, considering the way this war has been going.
>>140980045
>>140977064
>>140990872
You fags stop shitposting and send your turns already.
C'tis my lizard friend do talk to em in the steam chat!
>>141017724
>Earth reader
Better to use an indie commander and spend the difference in gold on more olms and pale ones. The more olms you have, the bigger an indie army you can take down. The more pale ones, the longer you can go before needing to replenish.
>>141050884
What should you do if you don't yet have a province with indie commanders?
Spend a turn recruiting a commander from your capital, or use an earth reader?
For some reason I received turn 31, but llamaserver says we're on turn 30, but we all just did turn 30. I say, good job dick-hat! You spammed turn resends good enough to break Llamaserver.
>>141052213
Use the free commander that the game gives you.
>>141052505
And for your second expansion party?
What items for an assassin? And are standard recruitable assassins are any good or it has to be some summon?
>>141052760
By then you should have an indy commander.
>>141053202
Skull Talisman. Cheap, early and kills a surprisingly large number of things. And that means recruitables are good enough.
>>141053202
Skull talismans early on and water bottles work well
>>141053202
Soul contract
>>141053417
Ideally both at the same time, so your assassin doesn't decide to go over and melee the target if the elemental is a bit slow.
>>141055095
Hold x 5
>>141055194
I like to be on the safe side. It's a 5 gem item, the skeletons are helpful, what's not to love?
>>141053260
The earliest you can get an indie commander to your capital is turn 4 (turn 3 if you blind expand). You must put out expansion parties very slowly if you've never had trouble with that.
What the fuck? I received turn 31, but now that I've sent it, llama says it's still turn 30.
The admin log doesn't even show a roll-back
>>141056713
>>141052225
there was no rollback, llama server had a hiccup it seems.
>>141057926
Right. So we'll have to do turn 30 again.
>>141058384
not yet, I'm Emailed llamabeast to see if it's recoverable, I'll post pone once and if by then he still hasn't responded we'll resort to that
>>141057926
>>141058384
Apparently it just changed the turn number, the actual turn is still the same I received before.
We lost nothing.
Can someone help me set a nation to ai?
>>141058879
oh really? interseting
>>141059339
We could just resend, take and send back the "current" turn.
>>141059645
probable the best option for now
>>141059810
Better send a message to all players, in case they don't notice.
>>141060497
done and donenow get out of my holy lands elf veeeeeeey
>>141059810
>>141060497
Oh fuck, wait. Apparently it's fucked. We're still getting the *proper* turn 31, so llama still recognizes it as having the wrong turn number.
Shit, better contact llama then.
>>141060803
I already contacted him from before. So we are fine either way for righ tnow
>>141060869
Cool. I hope the game is recoverable, I was quite enjoying myself :^)
>>141047239
Can't handle that autissssm. Try ingame.
>>141060951
you'll enjoy yourself better if you remove africanos
Reminder that elves are your enemy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhW1mh7U6-U
>>141061407
Didn't you yourself appoint the negroes as honorary elfs?
>>141064318
can you really trust a non-elf to not eventually turn on an elf? you were a fool to go along with his plans
>>141061337
I did but we could talk anyway! I dont bite!
How do people find the people they're playing with on steam? I want to talk to my neighbor but I'm not sure how
>>141068094
You have to be a part of steamshitter clique.
>>141068697
ewww so there's no better way to chat with you neighbors? I want to negotiate a border before ending my turn so our army's don't bump
>>141068697
>>141068884
Er, no. Just say "Hey I'm XxWeedSwaggerxX on steam, send me a message" either here or with an in-game message. Or just use the steam chat as a place to find people you're looking for and have discussions elsewhere.
It's not like the mere act of communicating with other humans will automatically turn you into some kinda nerd.
>>141064613
By the same reasoning, why should I trust you to not eventually turn on me?
>>141069595
my dishonesty is up front, his is hidden behind "avenging elves" my deals are straight forward while his are shrouded by hyenas
>>141069226
Alright sweet thanks, I figured that might be how y'all did it, was just making sure there wasn't an easier way
Dead cucks.
Wait, I'm confused. What should I be doing?
>>141080423
Waiting for llama to fix the game.
>>141080518
Whoops, forgot to drop my name.
Making Ermor seem lively
Is it fair to blame turn-spam anon for killing another game?
>>141088013
Yes
>>141088013
Maybe.
>>141088013
It depends.
>>141088013
Yeah.
>>141088013
I don't know. Maybe test it?
>>141088013
Check the wiki
Any new games?
New turn guyss. I hope you're as excited as I am!
I've never played as any of the Norse or Russian themed nations (of any age). Which is the mostfun?
>>141101221
EA > LA > MA
>>141101221
Bogarus has a cool mage line up. For what it's worth, I think Jotunheim is pretty coolhehto play as since they have ridiculously strong communions if you use N9 shrouded skratti in werewolf form, and they have a very good lategame with blood, nature, death and astral access. They're cap dependent for their gygja's, but they're pretty beefy so they should only die if you lose a battle hard. Skratti also make for good thugs.
>>141101221
Vanarus or Midgard, they both have Elf thugs, decent line mages, and strong units.
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>>141101221
That's entirely subjective. If you just want to smash face, EA Vanheim or niefelheim. Later on, MA Vanarus, LA Bogarus, MA Jotunheim, and LA Midgard are all "fun" in different ways.
Play your turns
I would just like to announce llamaking has fixed the turns. You may resume bullying
all I'm gonna say agartha is wow
>>141108918
Don't be such a tease! Let us all in on the good news. Did they suffer another defeat at the ghostly hands of Therodos?
6/10 teams in, 4 more to go before the drafting begins.
More info here. If you post your interest on the steam forum, there's a good chance someone else interested will get in contact with you, though I won't be doing any assigning of teams.
Link here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/364040166674562077/
>>141110204
They decided their god could beat my sacred blob. Needless to say they were wrong.
>>141110550
Poor Agartha. He will be avenged.
>>141110932
>Member of a bullshit coalition against me
>Took most of my UW provinces, including my cap
Such poor, little Pale Ones.
>>141111525
Hardly bullshit when letting you mass any more sacreds than you already have would be a very bad idea for all your neighbours
>>141112330
Put your name back on Sauro.
>>141112442
Fite me you coward
>>141112568
I will, nice soothsayer sacrifice strats, by the way.
>>141113489
Well if you had come to fite me earli-
Wait stale turn what the fuck
King of Bullies turn 32 just came in.
What.
sounds like we need to rollback
It seems that the bullying never stops.
Whereas here in NoBully, there really isn't any bullying.
>>141114745
Patala: attacked by two strong neighbors
Midgard: attacked by two strong neighbors
Ragha: attacked by nearly all neighbors
Yep sure isn't any bullying going on.
>>141114745
well....
>>141115123
Oops, for that first one I meant C'tis, Patala was one of the bullies
>>141115168
Wow, How'd that happen
>>141115474
F9 wingless birds with bows.
>>141115885
Nice.
>>141115885
>>141116029
Also, raptorian militias distracted ulmish rangers and mammoths took all the cascades.
>>141115123
>>141115296
Wasn't Midgard a bully as well?
>>141116632
Two bullies don't make a non-bully,
Why isn't the inspector in the OP?http://tomclancyisdead.github.io/dom4inspector/
It has multi-property search.
Nice expansion party, Ulm.
>>141115123
Don't forget Jomon's inept attempt at bullying. Or the bullying against Ulm.
>>141115123
Don't forget Utgard trying to bully me. But thankfully the two neighbours bullied him back and things are peaceful now on that border.
My other border seems to have some action but only between birds and jaguars.
>>141119143
close! more like action between birds and jaguars/pan/chinks
BTW ragha just lost his hero to a fruitless pan attack this turn
>>141115168
I really fucked up shit up there.
>>141117503
That's what you get for hiring militias Ulm.
>>141119365
Is this a general bird removal that you guys are doing or just Ragha?Which one of you is getting the oak?
>>141119645
The Oak isn't on a waste/mountain, so it isn't super abusable outside C'tis.
I wouldn't worry about C'tis getting it.
>>141117643
The one in >>141117349 is a different link. It's nearly the same as the original inspector, except you can specify more than one thing to search for at once.
>>141119479
Probably mercs.
>>141119508
Why would you do that?
>>141122147
You didn't even bother checking the link in the OP, did you? Larzm added property search a few weeks ago.
>>141122408
I've been using a downloaded version of larzm so didn't notice, I guess it's time to grab a new copy.
>>141122386
He was so used to memeing through mage support with his OP sacreds that he forgot he didn't actually have any with him.
Noob who offered to start a Let's Play series, just did a trial video and it wasn't completely terrible (outside of the big water mark for using trial software) I'm pretty far in to my current game but I think I'll start recording and posting for the next game I join. So if anyone has any games recruiting let me know (is kosher to just hop into random Llama games?) Also if anyone knows a good cheap screen capping software let me know (think I might buy the full version on the one I'm using when my tax return gets in)
>>141128254
Please do not hop in random games. It's a real fuckin' pain in the ass when you're trying to organize a game elsewhere and random people join.
>>141131062
That's what I thought so I haven't done that yet. I've seen a few things on steam saying to do that, but I didn't because it seemed rude.
Also got the recording thing figured out, yay open source software. I'll do a few videos and if you guys think they're terrible I'll stop posting about them here.
>>141128254
It's fairly pointless most of the time to ask if there are any games recruiting, because usually if there are you either already noticed them or are blind and incapable of reading the thread.
Right now it seems you're sol because all that's really going round of note are the disciples games, so you're probably better off making one. Got to learn how to properly admin a game sometime.
Play your turns
>>141136701
I literally just did, you double nigger.
Haha, thanks game, I really appreciate Bogus on my most important province early in year 2
WELL
MEMED
>>141137450
>when you are dirt poor and bogus lands on 200 income province
Still angers me to this day.
Hail llama.
Woo. It took me 140 fucking turns, but I finally managed to cover 100% of the map in my candles.
The endgame graphs, in case anyone is interested.
This was definitely an interesting game for me, even if the last third of it was dreadfully boring. I literally had the worst start position on the map, wedged between water and mountains with only one viable expansion route, which was blocked by cavalry. With a little help of a neighbour I managed to get rolling, and when that same neighbour got invaded I helped him out which bought me a good chunk of land. After that it was mostly a matter of blocking off my neighbour to the east and being a shameless opportunist towards all the weak nations to the west. By the time I started to get serious I was already big enough that nobody wanted to mess with me, and I had a decent research lead as well at least part of the time. As a result I just snowballed against nations that were either too weak or too passive to stop me. At this point a few of the remaining players started going AI or chainstaling instead of trying to stop me, which meant it was game over for everyone remaining. Qurgya made one valiant attempt at a throne rush near the end of the game, but when I cockblocked that and his only option was to siege a fort he could never take, he started chainstaling as well. Then, there was nothing left but to pass every turn as quickly as possible and watch my white candles slowly cover the entire map.
>>141144217
>I got big and everyone else gave up or started chain-staling
Story of /domg/
>>141146767
Pretty much.
Even after I started getting big, there were a couple of nations that could have stopped me. Cherakuse and Qurgya being the most obvious ones. In fact, Cherakuse was on a peninsula and I controlled the only way off of it, so if he had any intention of winning the game he would have HAD to crush me. But he never even tried, instead trying to expand through the sea and going AI when that didn't work out. I'm not sure if Qurgya was at war with someone else all the time or if he just never felt like stopping me until it was already too late, but he could have completely wrecked me if he had only done so early enough.
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EdgyRoleplayGame C'tis, are you going to start chainstalling? Come on. The damage hasn't yet been done (your forces are still intact) so you could at least have the decency of playing a few turns to send those armies against your enemies properly scripted and then go AI if you lose those decisive battles.
>>141152961
I dunno, I have been bullying him pretty hard.
Marshmasters are meme support.
Does Fire Fend / Warriors of Niefelheim protect against Heat From Hell? Also, does Heat From Hell and Grip Of Winter work together?
>>141155303
Yes and No because that doesn't make any sense
>>141155416
Not him but wait, are you saying that Heat from Hell and Grip of Winter cancel each other out?
Please guys, send your turns.
And yes, i'm talking to machaka, arco and lanka.
reeeee etc
>>141155626
I've never seen anything happen when both happen to get deployed
>>141155637
For someone calling himseld king of bullies, you're not really putting a lot of effort into your bullying.
>>141155416
I'm aware that it doesn't make any sense, but it also makes no sense how a flying commander with amphibian units can't cross a river. Relying on common sense in Dominions is a bad idea.
>>141155784
But anon, I'm a submissive bully!
>>141155784
>>141155637
that's because you have to do it like this:
Machaka, acro, Lanka, do your turns or I'll mix up your emails between each otherplease
>>141156470
>>141156441
>Lanka 2h file received
We did it!
Now Machaka and Arco and we are done.
>>141155912
It does make sense.
The commander would be crossing the sky while the amphibians troops would be under the water.
How do you imagine the commander coordinating the troops under him?
Shouting across the sky and water?
They are 2 different forms of locomotion, it makes sense they aren´t interchangeable
>>141159168
>Walk forward until I see you on the other side.
Yeah I can see how that could be a confusing situation where you'd have to be in constant contact with your troops.
>>141159168
They're crossing a river, not an ocean.
Hey T'ien Ch'i, you okay? Your turn history is starting to worry me.
>>141161673
I feel like he gave up once he realized that Patala was effectively back, meaning he had no hope of becoming a superpower off of eating Patala.
NICK FIX THE MAP
>>141159881
>>141160191
Nothing you say will make a good enough point to make things change.
>>141165987
It's not about making things change, it's about your argument being really stupid.
>>141166086
It is not stupid.
Have you ever seem military movements?
It is not just walk forward. The troops need their commander in order to walk around. If the commander is in the sky how can he order the troops down on the water swimming.
And the size of the river is big enough so units that can´t breath underwater can´t cross.
The counter-arguments were just worse then mine.
>>141166290
>my arguments are good because I say so
I guess soldiers are just too stupid to walk in a straight line for a mile or so.
Besides, you know that the only reason it works the way it does is because the game can only assign a movement type to an army if every single unit in the army has that movement type, so a mixed army of flying and amphibious units ends up having neither.
>>141166290
>>141166086
Can't you two see that this is the same as wolves being great siege chaff?
>arguments about realism in Dom4
Rejakor, is that you?
>>141166669
That's my exactly point. It's about game mechanics interacting in certain ways. It has nothing to do with what is or isn't realistic.
I tired watching this, but my comp couldn't handle the craziness after like Round 4.
What happened: C'tis used Undead Mastery on my stuff, and put Army of Lead on it. I put Army of Lead on my own ghosts. Lemurian Ghosts with Army of Lead have issues killing other Lemurian Ghosts with army of lead, who'd have thought it.
Also Rigor Mortis+Grip of Winter in C3 killing all his shit with fatigue before the auto-route.
We also had a minor skirmish here, just me pushing a tiny army off on of my forts.
>>141166830
Oh good, you can't watch it either. Guess I'll try tanking my visual settings later to see what went on.
And time to find a solution to Grip of Winter. Shouldn't be too hard, just wish I could cast Warriors of Musephelm over Army of Lead.
>>141167826
I'm confused, you can't cast muspelheim warriors why exactly?
You had like an F9 there iirc
>>141171665
From what I remember, it over-writes Army of Lead. All the "your troops skin becomes like xyz" spells dispel each other.
>>141172603
You are dum.
>>141172603
Just tested this in SP. Army of lead and Warriors totally stack.
>>141172603
>All the "your troops skin becomes like xyz" spells dispel each other.
Since when?
Similar effects overwrite eachother, like multiple Protection buffs (like how Mass Protection doesn't stack with Army of Lead), but any other effects do.
Army of Lead is Protection and MR, Warriors of Muspelheim is Cold Resist. They're different effects, so they totally stack.
>>141172603
>>141173274
>>141173407
So if air shield doesnt stop rain of stones what does?
>>141174459
actual protection buffs
>>141174459
High protection, whether naturally or though buffs (assuming you can get the buffs off before RoS is cast) nullifies it. Fog Warriors works. Luck helps a lot as well, but isn't as reliable and doesn't do much against repeated casts.
The best counter is simply having high HP and protection, but of course that's not always an option.
Sorry guys, I've been mostly bedridden with the flu since yesterday. I even took my turn from bed, such is my dedication.
>>141174906
And then there's the indirect counter of forcing gem expenditure with horrors and such like
>>141176740
curse of the gods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHw4ncWzO1kget better soon
new thread when
>>141177646
When you make it.
>>141177725
you make it
>>141178038
DO IT NOW
someone make new thread or I'll have to badmin
>>141179592
i fapped to that comic when i was a kidDO IT
>>141180779please
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
>>141180968
Man, this was just not C'tis turn was it.
>>141181603
He took the bait I assume?
>>141181603
I don't recall any bait. If you mean storm any forts, no, I didn't do that either.
Worry not, badmans, for we shall redouble our efforts and return with a vengeance.
so ctis is attacking both bats and ghost? ballsy
>>141181926
You could triple it and you still wouldn't match what I have sitting in reserves.
>>141182017
How do you feel about leprosy?
>>141182549
:v)
>>141181786
Less him taking the bait, more fighting in Cold 3 without cold resist because he didn't understand how some spells worked.
He did storm into RoS, but that's less bait, and more just standard fare at this point. Now excuse me while I reload the old turn file to figure out what happened to one of my Grand Lemurs who just poofed off the face of Flatus for some fucking reason.
>>141183306
You should have said "not yet he didn't" and left him wondering "what bait exactly?" just to piss him off.
DAERHT
EHT
EKAM
>>141183306
Figured it out, you flames from the sky gave my winds of death spammer a trip back to the capital.
Ah well, got your gems anyway.
New thread >>141183940
