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>>139901067
>Official news
http://rainbow6.ubi.com/siege/en-US/news/index.aspx
http://www.pcgamer.com/rainbow-six-siege-ama-addresses-hit-detection-issues/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=pcgfb
http://blog.ubi.com/rainbow-six-siege-post-launch-maps-operators-modes/
>Developer AMA Recap
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1349361-Developer-AMA-Recap
>Maps and drawing tools for all available gamemodes
http://www.r6maps.com/
http://rainbow6.ubi.com/siege/en-US/whiteboard/landing.aspx
>Weapons and Armor damage comparisons
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fr6MsLNfjDlPESlHGUQxoRiR3yChpewKQAlsOHXG5A8/htmlview?usp=sharing&pref=2&pli=1&sle=true
>Known Issues:
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1332624-Known-Issues
>Basics of CQB Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/ECbQGdVk
>Steam group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/R6GO
>Steam group player list
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nB6S5xtZFuAlnX24VG6IVvOYnI18oOlV2W0SPM3OjaE/edit?pli=1#gid=375665432
>Console group
PS4: Add dazint8 or Omegaplaya and join the /r6g/ community that way
Xbone: Someone clarify this for next OP
>All the Classic Rainbow 6 games running on the latest engine, compatible with current windows, all maps, all modes.
http://www.techknow.one/forum/index.php?topic=69.0 (dead link)
http://www.legendsworld.net/shooter/game/11094
>WIP /r6g/ guide for crosshair overlays, tactics etc
http://hnng.moe/7Ik
First for Ash. Best girl.
Why is Doc's video so bad?
First for dead general
>>140305312
>dead game
>1k less players online than Blops III
>on PC alone
here's your (you)
>>140304997
The damage drop off is crazy. If you don't have a shot on their head, they are going to eat 30 rounds before they go down.
>>140305149
You spelled IQ wrong
>>140305892
You spelled Ash wrong.
So is this general actually alive
Last i came the general actually DIED literally because there were too many shitposters
>>140305672
Learn to read you autistic fuck
>>140306187
wow dude, I bet you play Casual and complain about shitters in all chat.
>>140306027
I know you are, but what am I?
>>140306284
>not wanting to marry jewesses to dull the jew race
DO YOU EVEN NWO?
>>140306271
Good one
>>140306458
You too anon
is it to late to start playing this game? Ive been looking for something new.
>>140306608
There's still plenty of players but it's narrowing to tough, experienced ones.
>>140306608
I bought the game after free weekend as a few people did so no
>>140306608
It will be receiving content until December. After that, who knows?
Either way, it's a stretch to call it a full $60 game, no matter how good the core content is.
>>140306608
A lot of people jumped ship to go eat shit and play The Division, but the game's still active. Sooner rather than later though my guy, people are gitting gud
>finish setting up defense as rook
>sit down in a corner and wait
>teammates are nowhere to be seen
>what the fuck guys? we have to hold the objective
>nah brah we're good
>several ganks later
>YOU ARE THE LAST OP REMAINING
Anyone want to play some casual? east coast
>>140307248
>current
>not roaming
i shiggy diggy
>>140306867
The Division general just died today and the game's been out for over a month. Even /r6g/ lasted over a month after its release.
>>140307725
Fuck the Division
this is ubis best game in years
>play Division
>there's no Ash
>uninistall.exe
amiriteoramirite
>>140305157
He has cut extra lines in the sound files.
>>140308235
I'm assuming they can't be worse than the "sometimes to save a life you need to take one" line?
>>140308038
more like
>no IQ
ash is shit taste
>>140307248
>play ranked on PS4
>winning 3-0
>every round the whole team goes roaming and I'm the only one in the objective
>they're literally on the other side of the entire map
>whole enemy team rush me and down me in the objective, take 1 with me
>ping spam the hostage for 20 seconds straight to tell them that they're taking the hostage
>roamers still sitting in corners on the other side of the map looking out windows
>they steal the hostage and win the round
>keep leaving me alone in objective
>all get picked off one by one
>last round of overtime I shoot at a drone
>guy runs in front of me and takes a bullet to the head and dies
>the rest all go roaming again
>enemies kill me and just casually take the hostage
>2 roamers who are friends message me calling me trash and tell me jump into customs so they can teach me how to aim and not kill enemies
>tell them it's their fault we lost 5 rounds in a row and they're smart for walking in front of me when I shoot a drone
>they say I can't even show respect to my carry
>had 6 kills they had 7
Funny how they said I show no respect to my """carry""" even tho they caused us to lose the match. So much for a carry huh?
>>140308392
>not playing ranked with a premade
>not playing ranked with a mic
it's almost like you want to bitch about something
>>140307248
>be pulse
>go "roaming" staking out the spot I think the enemy will try to blow their way through into the objective room, while leaving myself perfectly able to return to the objective room if they don't show
>check cameras, apparently they're going in the front door instead, oh well
>exit cameras
>suddenly a Rook is chilling next to me being loud as fuck moving around for no reason
>realise nobody's actually defending the objective
>other roamer get downed and the other two got taken down when baited into trying to save him
>Rook runs off through the basement "to flank" and gets killed going up stairs because he's a fucking Rook and makes noises like an elephant
>meanwhile make way back to objective room
>proceed to get shit pushed in by attackers coming from everwhere
Saddest part is that I actually used to successfully roam with Rook when the game was only a month or two old because nobody else roamed.
>>140308392
you sound like an underage
get better friends
>>140308386
more like
>no Ash
IQ is shit pleb taste
>>140305149
Ash is cash. Skins when?
>>140308872
>dog tags wrapped around forearm
That's just silly
>you'll never go around the country robbing banks with ash like bonnie and clyde
JDIMSA
>>140308556
I had a mic but they were in party chat, so they can't hear me
Would a Metal Gear Online cross-over save this game?
>>140309451
again,
>going into ranked without a premade team
you brought it upon yourself
>>140309768
Kill me
>>140309881
>Ash is the canon slut of Siege
You heard it here first lads.
>>140309881
>mute putting up horns
This didn't even try to be canon
>>140309881
pffffft
>>140310023
You take that back you dirty cunt
>no one takes rook so I take it
>no one goes to barricade critical trap door so I have to do it
>shot due to rook is slow
what i'm doing wrong
>>140310345
>not roaming
>>140310184
No.
Waifus were a mistake.
>>140310423
FUCK OFF BANDIT
daily reminder esports is delaying the new content
>>140310719
>shadbase
You should know what's next. I'm disappointed we didn't get the rumored K9 operator now.
>>140308560
>Defending
>There's a perfect route to flank some enemies trying to get into the objective room during a stalemate
>Realize I'm slow fat fuck Rook
come at me, electronics.
>>140312103
Cute!
>>140312103
I like it.
>>140312103
Requesting Frost next
>Patrician tier
Ash
Twitch
>Weeb tier
Frost
>Pleb tier
IQ
>>140313095
>God Tier
IQ
Ash
>Not Cute Enough Tier
Twitch
>Cheap Bitch Tier
Frost
>>140312103
no scanner?
Why are we suddenly dead?
>>140313694
I'm going to bed and I am responsible for 50% of the posts.
>>140313809
Oh.
Thanks for posting anonymous!
that anon is a liar. we are all different personalities within one person talking to one another.
Will this game die soon?
>>140314460
content confirmed for at least December. after that all bets are off
>guy puts up a barricade
>i pull it down to go into the next room
>he puts it back up
>i pull it down to get back in the room
>he puts it back up
Do something useful goddamn, you spent 30 seconds putting up a barricade no one will use
>>140314460
if 3.0 doesnt save the game then yes
a dev says the bug fixes and changes are apparently huge
>>140308343
>I've fed sick children in (some location, can't make it out) who are too weak to stand. Cleared landmines from Cambodian playgrounds
QUICK WHAT GUN IS YOUR FAVOURITE TO USE AND WHY
>>140320309
MP5 probably
>>140320309
Smoke's FNG is hilarious.
>>140320309
mac 11
>implying it was nerfed at all
>tfw Siege 2 is basically a republic commando reskin
>>140322717
I'm not paying for it if it releases before 2018. This game doesn't deserve to die.
>>140320309
FUZE'S LMG BECAUSE IT MAKES A NICE SOUND AND 100 ROUND BOX MAG
>>140322717
tfw they release a Delta Squad DLC.
>>140320309
Ash's R4 hands down. It's so good that I'm surprised more people aren't bitching about it. I'm convinced Ash is a top 5 operator for sure, if not top 3.
>>140325835
She is. Are you new?
>>140325661
Scorch and Sev Attackers
Boss and Fixer Defenders
>playing ranked at all
Why do you enjoy causing yourself pain?
>>140314460
It'll have a steady player base until the season pass is done in December. After that is really up to Ubi.
>>140320309
Despite the jumpy as fuck recoil at times, the C8-SFW
Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that Frost's traps are balanced?
>kapkan is still useless despite a minor fix making him useful (C4 has the the anchor or the laser, not both)
>tachanka is still useless despite a minor fix making him useful (while on the turret he flips down his visor and makes it so headshot damage for him is chest damage)
>frosts traps should have an electronic component to make them visible to IQ and EMPable -- or make it so drones can trip frost traps, destroying both -- and they need to be destroyed in one bullet since every other gadget in the game takes one only
>Doc is still useless because nobody ever goes down and there are way better gadgets to choose
>Montagne is still useless because it takes forever for his shield to fold back in and gives him no real ability to attack
>Blitz, and flashbangs in general, were nerfed to uselessness and Blitz still has issues with not being shielded properly by his shield
>IQ is just useless, unless you are playing T Hunt and then she is GOAT tier
>Twitch isn't as good as you'd hope when her drone dies in 1 hit, especially since Thatcher exists and does everything Twitch does except better
>thermite is still pretty much GOAT and a must pick on every attacking team
I understand the game is going to have favorites and Operators picked more than others, but it seems like Operators who *should* be good situationally just simply aren't, and you are better off going with the old standbys
>thermite, ash, thatcher, fuze, glaz, sledge or blitz all top tier attackers - everyone else is useless
>Jager, Frost, Rook, Mute, Bandit, Castle all GOAT defenders - rarely swap a Smoke or a Pulse in, leaving Doc and the Russians as never being picked for any reason ever
>>140330416
>blitz top tier attacker
Sorry I meant to say FBI Shield Recruit
>>140329940
Balanced with what?
Bandit's traps are completely useless; you can see and hear them and they deal almost no damage.
Kapkan's traps are nothing but newbie bait. At best, you put them behind a deployable shield, but even still no one will fall for them
Frost's traps are the only one that catches people and results in deaths, and yet are impervious to all gadgets, the least visible, and most durable
>>140325661
So Glaz and Thermite and Rook and Bandit?
>>140330908
Meant to reply to >>140325928
>>140330908
Glaz = Sev
Fuze = Scorch
Boss = Rook
Fixer = Bandit
>>140330715
I agree with this guy
I main Frost because I'm a Canadian, but mostly because she's OP as fuck.
I have only ever seen Kapkans trap kill 3 people - One was myself. One was the first day I got the game someone tripped one. The other two kills were during the glitch period that would make the laser invisible - tripped one of these traps because I didn't know it was a thing. Cleared a doorway, looked for the laser, didn't see shit, BOOM. People would rarely trip it, but it would happen. Still didn't make him useful enough to be a staple but it actually made him useful enough to pick once in awhile.
But the game is horribly balanced - yet Ubisoft wants to "preserve" the balance for esports. If you are going to throw caution to the wind and have about 8 of your 22 operators be pure dogshit, why even bother selling the game as competitive or having meta.
Frost is so out of touch with their own game it's laughable. The fact they gave her a fucking WW2 era SMG just shows they don't really care about making a serious game.
>>140329940
lol no?
>take multiple shots to destroy
>can be placed virtually anywhere, especially in hard to see places
>still kills you when you repel through a window
frost is still fucking bullshit
>>140329940
>Frost
>Balanced
Exhibit 1: See attached
Recorded it today. While it looks like Twitch sprung the trap - She didn't. She was downed from full health by a single super 90 shot at that range
>kafe
>fuze the room with a table near the train room
>one of the grenades somehow sneaks inside through the fireplace and kills the hostage
>>140333043
why is the ISIS flag there?
>>140322717
Man, I miss the multiplayer for that game. Shit was tight, and the original game was even better
>>140325928
>>140333085
Fuze is from Uzbekistan.
I am almost entirely sure that Frost's traps were only supposed to immobilize rather than kill, so Ubi made them knock operators down.
But knowing Ubi, they forgot that going down and being dead was basically the same thing.
Speaking of republic commando...
How useful would hand gestures and quick messages be?
I can recall a few from the actual game:
>BREACH THAT DOOR
>ELIMINATE TARGET
>HOLD THIS POSITION
>DELTA SQUAD FORM UP
>>140334508
Very.
Literally every other competitive game has call-outs, but having the voice actors to that must have been too expensive for Ubisoft.
stuns are shit
>>140331419
I'm actually impressed they included the C1. I wasn't even aware there was a Canadian variant of the Sterling.
Why is Ubi so bad?
Like, it's clear as sky that they don't give a dead pakis last shit about the players.
>>140338995
Between Asscreed and Far Cry, they don't need to care what people think of them.
Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY5L95BOQTg
>>140338929
They don't use it tho.
They could have given Glaz a Mosin or an SKS as a meme gun but they actually gave him something reasonable.
Half the game is memes and the other half seems like serious Operator fanfic.
What if you could free yourself from Frost's traps, given about 3x the length it would take for a teammate to free you?
>>140341787
If
>the game didn't notify you magically when someone springs a trap - cause remember it's a mechanical device with no electronics so how would you know across the map?
>you could free yourself from the trap
>it doesn't instakill you from rappelling entry
>took one shot to destroy
and it would make my life happier if
>was actually an electronic trap that could be detected by IQ and EMPed by thatcher
it'd be way more fair
>>140342225
>Wanting the welcome mat to be yet another electronic gadget for Thatcher to fuck up
>>140342225
>it doesn't instakill you from rappelling entry
That's a known issue anyway, it's not supposed to be doing that. The devs know about it.
>>140343071
More or less just want it for IQ, and most places the mat would be placed wouldn't get thatchered anyways.
>>140343281
and yet it's still doing it.
>>140343587
There's going to be a fix for the welcome mat rappel bug in Season 2.
>>140344029
They drop the map and new operators and fuck off for 2 months again and MAYBE release a skin pack every 2 weeks
>>140344029
>fundamental bug causing an Operator to become severely overpowered for months remains unfixed
>yes but they will fix it eventually :^)
It's still bullshit
Convince me Chalet is not an awful map.
>go into ranked game
>pick jager
>bandit fucking saps my shit in key area where a fuze would totally cluster charge
>destroy his shit and put another one down
>bandit whose in a pre made team whose not even in game chat has them kick me
>next game
>entire fucking team isn't in game chat again
>okay fine whatever
>faggots invite me to their chat after the 2nd round starts
>bunch of high as fuck niggers
>can't hear shit over their screaming
>go back to game chat
>we're getting stomped on but i'm still top of the leaderboard
>niggers kick me on final round after they got gunned down
Premades are fucking cancer.
>>140348331
/vg/ premades are fine except no one talks
>>140314460
I think no. After few month after release less people played at work days but still same numbers at weekends.
Data from steamspy . com/app/359550
>>140348791
And that doesn't even count for console numbers which are probably higher.
>>140349237
Yeah also "uplay but not steam users" on PC. Anyway this game deserves more players and better support from Ubi.
>>140348243
it looks nice
>>140310423
After reinforcing I have to roaming (with slow as fuck rook), but it's ok, the problem is I sometimes get killed just when I finished to reinforce trap-door (deploy armor, use first reinforcement, shoot couple drones, wait for fast ops go up and reinforce trap-door, notice that critical trap-door is STILL FUCKING UNTOUCHED, find way through castle barricades, finally get to trap-door when time just hits 0:00 and round start, hold F fingers crossed, process is 80% /hearing wood crack/, shit)
>>140352685
Why do you even assume your team is competent? You go up immediately to reinforce.
>>140352740
Hope ._.
Also can't get how 100+ levels could play that bad
>>140355329
yeah I dont get it either, level 100s play like shit for the most part.
I bought the game last week and I carry more often than not and all I'm doing is sitting in a corner watching cameras and listening for footsteps 99% of the time.
>picks doc when rook hasn't been taken yet
>gets mad when you ask him to take rook instead
I fucking hate using rook. Does the flash hider instead of the surpressor make it better with acog?
Can someone give me some tips on using Mute?
>holding down my epic position
>preparing to flank the enemy so hard 1v5 this killcam is going to be so fucking epic
>whole team dies because they are shit lol
>enemy takes hostage and runs out window i cant get back because im on the other side of the map
if this has ever been you uninstall your game and kill yourself
I hate this game so fucking much but I don't know what other game to play.
>>140356547
Hide on stairs, throw C4.
>>140348243
fun cam>c4 traps
good hotspot windows and flank walls
daylight map doesnt count
i think consulate is far worse
>>140356706
>tfw wasted 40 bucks on this game but I try to salvage some fun out of it despite heavy buyer's remorse
3.0 will fix it, right?
RIGHT?
>80/20 connection
>i never get chosen as host
come on
>>140357175
I spent 40 on this and was surprised I got my money's worth very quickly. Probably above 40 hours playtime now. Didn't think I would enjoy it so much without a campaign.
oh yeah guys the game isn't dead its fucking going strong, buy it when its on sale
>>140358372
>playing ranked
>playing on PC
>>140358031
>be host
>die
>"GUESS I'LL JUST LEAVE THE GAME xD"
>>140356547
Yeah, shut up.
>>140358372
I get in a game in less than a min at literally every hour of the day.
>>140358372
> solo ranked
> copper
> probably from US where late night
> don't restart queue after 5-10 min waiting
Really man?
>>140356547
What tips you looking for? Best places to jam?
You should use them behind Castle barricades and reinforced walls that the enemies are most likely to come through, and/or put them behind the entrances/drone holes near the objective so they can't drone through
>>140358372
>51:28
Jesus
>>140356547
you have the busiest job of all the operators, double jammers for doorways, double jammers for stairs unless you are covering the rail which they will use to jump
after prep phase pick up jammers and place next to castled windows > reinforced walls > windows > non-reinforced walls > may as well use it to try and jam blitzes shield/shouldnt have picked him
>>140359334
i waited 4 hours for a casual match the other week
though mostly due to ubisofts cool update
>>140359464
Jesus 4x
>>140359369
wait shit, you can jam blitz shields?
>>140358421
>playing
My heart beats like hell when i'm last man
https://youtu.be/2tL5-187I6E?t=6m20s
>these are the people on your team
>>140363046
Why can't people breathe through their nose on the internet?
>>140363046
>5 tachunkies
>wow our team is losing by 1 point, i should quit the game
>>140364227
It's probably the way you lost that pisses them off.
I tend to leave the game a lot more than I used to lately just because of the bullshit that happens in this game.
>>140364710
>i tend to be a big baby
>>140363540
That dude is most definetely autistic judging by that roleplaying he did later on.
>>140364812
>>140365001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j72qHu5Ht7k
>mfw i learned more than I expected to from this video
>team leaves
>one guy stays on
He was killed almost instantly but it was noble.
>hard fought victory
>top of the scoreboard with both kills and score
>team used their microphones
Feels good.
>>140349237
Consoles numbers are decent, both systems racking in around 20,000 to 40,000 each.
hoping to see these guys in the foreseeable future
>t hunt host acts like they're the mod of a server
>>140369838
>australians
lmao
>>140369997
You can't mess with Dingo and Thunder
>>140322717
There making imperial commando
>>140370853
>Australian Spec Forces
>Defend
Special ability: Shitposts on internet
>Attack
Special ability: Asks people for welfare
>>140371124
Attack would be throwing shrimps on the barbie
>>140370976
>eastern front
Middle east battlefield?
Ww2 Poland battlefield?
>>140370976
>merc 3
I'd love if that were true.
>>140371514
>Middle east battlefield?
so battlefield
>>140370976
If this is fake it's a good fake.
>>140371514
Chinese are the next bad guys
>>140372972
Are they adding the option to rape innocent civilians or have the SJWs had their way and fucked that up also?
>>140304982
If it is a help to anyone, I actually found out the exact names of all the gear that that the Spetsnaz units wear. If anyone was planning on doing an airsoft kit based off Siege.
Vest- Fort 2 Defender, Tachanka's vest has a velcro on groin protector, Glaz doesn't wear an armored vest.
Ammo Harness- SPOSN Smersh vest. Glaz has an SVD Smersh and the rest have an AK Smersh.
Uniform- All wear a Gorka E uniform. Fuze's is in Partizan Summer pattern camo, Glaz's is in Partizan Fall camo. Pretty sure Kapkan has Partizan Summer pants and a OD pattern top, not sure about Tachanka but I think he wears Partizan Summer.
Headgear- Glaz has a Russian balaclava and beanie. Not sure about his headset. Fuze's helmet is either a ZSh 1-2M without the visor or a K6-3 without a visor. I'm pretty sure the piece that covers the lower half of his face is based off a motorcycle helmet. Tachanka wears a Maska 1 helmet with visor. Kapkan wears a Partizan Summer camo kapkan sniper hood.
Basically all of these pieces can be found at www.grey-shop.ru a complete spetsnaz kit is around 550 USD, but Glaz is a bit cheaper at around 300.
>>140374114
Put it in a pastebin for new op posts
>>140374114
>airsoft
>>140375109
Can be used for other things, I just did the research because I was putting together a MVD Vityaz kit for airsoft.
Also
>not liking fun
>>140370976
That's bullshit, but I believe it. Fucking hell, I want to believe it.
>when someone says Ash isn't best girl
>>140377635
>when waifufags infest your general like they shit up every other general on /vg/
>>140377665
>when autists are so far down the autistic rabbithole they no longer feel sexual energy course through their veins
>>140377665
>Anonymous 04/28/16(Thu)17:20:36 No.140377665 â–¶>>140377801
>>>140377635
>>when waifufags infest your general like they shit up every other general on /vg/
This genral has been woers belive me.
>>140378392
>that attempt at quoting
Fuck off. Waifufags are the worst.
>>140378730
>>>
> Anonymous 04/28/16(Thu)17:33:08 No.140378730 â–¶
>File: hahahahah gulp ahh.gif (1.46 MB, 217x217)
>>>140378392 (You)
>>that attempt at quoting
How else do I quote on my phone?
>>140379334
You don't, Applefag
g g
>>140381301
>>140379334
phone users are cancer
fuck
>>140384573
>>140377635
>When someone says Ash needs a buff
>>140334316
Her trap would actually still be good as hell if it just stayed on your leg and made you limp, so you started making noises like crazy and couldn't run.
Or, you know, it let you fire back while downed. It's not like you've taken a bullet to the chest, your foot is just caught. Why the fuck can't you return fire with your pistol at least? That shit would actually be tense.
>>140392547
>i know better than seasoned game developers
>>140348243
>not having fun as fuck jumping out on the ledge with a shotgun and blasting everyone when the objective is in the upstairs museumOnly time I've ever had fun on the map.
>>140392829
>>140355658
Fucking bullshit camper!! Fuck u
>>140392829
Since obviously none of them actually tried playing the game before they released it(then they wouldn't have released it with Tachanka, Kapkan or IQ the way they are), I'm pretty sure most non-retarded people on here know better than them.
>not wanting to get downed by Frost's trap, forced to face one direction with only your trusty sidearm to fend off any enemy instead of having to just sit there waiting for either your teammate to pick you up or for Frost to walk up and blast you
It doesn't make her gadget much worse, but it makes the trapped players gameplay be more than laying around waiting. As a guy who uses Frost at every opportunity I'd have absolutely no problem with it. And in a game so reliant on sound I'd be okay with a gadget that just made the enemy loud as fuck. With her C4 and shotty it'd still make her a great pick.
>>140394765
>Since obviously none of them actually tried playing the game before they released it
>>140395380
I tend to agree with him. The balance is fucked up
>Thermite is the single most important operator in the game and every match revolves around him and whether he lives or dies
>Most of the attackers have cool gadgets but the defenders don't get anything good besides Pulse and maybe Frost
>Said operators like Tachanka and IQ have useless abilities
>Some of the maps are hideously designed, like the spawns in the kid's bedroom and downstairs dining room on House are almost impossible to defend
>Stupid weapon design decisions like putting an ACOG on the Mac 11 and Frost's sniper shotgun
>The whole lighting issue
I could go on.
>>140396038
>Most of the attackers have cool gadgets but the defenders don't get anything good besides Pulse and maybe Frost
I will dispute this one. Defender abilities like Castle's walls, Mute's jammers, and Jaeger's ADS are incredibly strong when used right. Bandit can use his right as well, depending on the map and if his team works with him.
>>140394765
>>140395380
>>140396710
>>140396710
What I mean is they are all fire and forget. Most attackers have an active ability they can use and they have some really cool shit, like Sledge's hammer, Buck's breaching shotgun, Ash's grenade launcher, shield users, etc. Castle is annoying as fuck and people who play him just waste both the attacker's and defender's time. Mute and Jaeger are nixed by Thatcher's massive AOE EMP.
I think it's boring to play defenders because none of them have cool shit to use besides C4.
>>140397468
I meant to add I do really like Pulse because of his ability and I'm really looking forward to Valkyrie because of her deployable cameras.
>Prep time & hunting drones
>accidentally shoot rook in the foot
>He 1 shots me
or
>run in front of tachanka and his turret
>He fucking sprays to open the wall next door and kills me
or
>Castle barricades you in the fucking room and you waste your c4 to open it up and accidentally kill someone in the process
Also a good tip is to put rooks armor at a drone entry point
>>140395380
How else do you explain them releasing it with Kapkan's traps having TWO ways of being spotted, on top of IQ's gadget seeing it, and making him slow and loud as fuck when he has to move a long distance from the objective room for the traps to catch anyone off-guard? If they'd actually spent time playing the game they would have realised that his trap is way too easy to spot, and that C4 is never used as a trap because of the loud beeping and blinking light, making IQ useless except for people wanting her guns.
Or Tachanka being Tachanka. Just make his bullets penetrate shields with a high damage reduction and suddenly he's got a role. Now he's basically just headshot bait.
The other explanation is that they did play the game before release, but they were complete fucking retards getting killed by Kapkan traps and running into Tachanka fire without being able to pull off a headshot on a stationary target.
>>140397978
Are you autistic?
>>140397468
>Castle is annoying as fuck and people who play him just waste both the attacker's and defender's time.
>in a game where the attackers are on a timer
I don't see what's wrong with this.People who play Castle with the UMP need to quit, though.
>>140397978
I've alway thought that IQ should be able to stun or temporarily EMP electronic gadgets, by holding the gadget button while looking at it.
I mean, she'd need to see it a bit better, an outline maybe.
Maybe it could be a stun that's on a timer, like 5 seconds for holding it for 1 second
>>140398236
>People who play Castle with the UMP need to quit, though.
I do that, so?
>>140398236
>People who play Castle with the UMP need to quit, though.
Suck my black dick glaz.
>>140397763
>Castle barricades you in the fucking room and you waste your c4 to open it
Since when can't you pull down a Castlecade same as any other barricade?
>>140398236
It takes what, 3 seconds to put up a breaching charge? The same amount of time it would take for them or Thermite to breach a wall. And it's very rare for a team not to have Sledge who can destroy it in even less time.
>>140397468
>Castle is annoying as fuck and people who play him just waste both the attacker's and defender's time
Someone doesn't know how to use Castle.
>Control room on Kanal
>block all three windows and stick a jammer on them
>portable barrier on the stairs w/ battery and razor wire
>the same on third floor entrance w/ Rook's barrier
>enough wall barriers to seal off all walls that aren't in a good location for a murderhole
The entire floor is now one massive defended perimeter. You can do almost the same thing on CG office. Learn to use Castle. He's not about wasting time, he's about forcing the attackers to prove they know the maps and how to get around the killzones and funnels he'll make, because no matter which way they decide to enter, the amount of resources Castle forces the attackers to use means they can rarely open more than two alternative entrances, and even if they do they're still going to be walking into fire from 2 or 3 defenders. If the attackers don't know how to enter a room, they're not clearing the doorway against that.
Also, you come off as a guy who only values things that are loud rather than subtle zone control that tips the map balance into your favor, hence you saying that only the nitro packs are cool.
>>140397468
>I think it's boring to play defenders because none of them have cool shit to use besides C4.
Play Battlefield then you retarded faggot
>>140398531
So what you're saying is you don't see the advantage in forcing the attackers to use a breaching charge to get through a normally destructible barrier?
>>140398370
Nigga before Frost he and Pulse were the only guys with good Shotguns. Take advantage of that shit. Blast out trap doors and pop some fools in the ass and shiet.
>>140398435
>implying Glaz won't be safe behind the barricade you put up and shoot you as much as he wants through it until some guy with C4 strolls up to save your black ass
>>140398830
>Nigga before Frost he and Pulse were the only guys with good Shotguns. Take advantage of that shit. Blast out trap doors and pop some fools in the ass and shiet.
Take this reddit tier shit and fuck off
>>140398518
I don't even think castle can
>>140398531
Yeah totally useless to waste attackers time and supplies and giving roamers a good target for an ambush instead of giving them a regular barricade they can just shoot through and be done with.
>mfw roaming with Castle and taking out Sledge and Ash before retreating and putting my shit down to slow their asses down
>>140398036
see >>140398830
He's probably about 16
>>140398536
On the slight chance nobody on the attacking team picks Sledge, yeah, you might slow them down a bit.
>>140398781
Nope, that's what breaching charges are for.
>>140398830
There's a fair number of maps where the UMP has the range advantage. Bank, Consulate, and Yacht I all take the UMP on just because I can't guarantee I can close shotgun range on an attacker.
Otherwise yes, the M1014 is better.
>>140399006
>>140399173
>not badly imitating a black man when flippantly defending your choice of Castle weapon on a Haitian rum-distilling forum
Fuck yo fools. Y'all ain't shit.
>>140399104
he can. you're dumb.
>>140399220
Sledge is noisy, vulnerable during both the attack (not useful here) and the vault in. As with the Bandit trick, all of these things can be used against him for free damage or a kill. Sledge is not a problem.
>>140399220
Breaching charges are for walls silly. The amount of noise involved in both setting them down and obviously, detonating them, tells the defenders exactly which window or door to watch, meaning the Attacker is now entering the fatal funnel into enemy fire. He's dead lad.
Best option is to pull back and pop open another entrance, which uses a second charge and more time.
See what I'm getting at? What I've been getting at the whole time?
Castle forces the attackers to use resources, and any of them who don't know how to enter rooms/when not to enter rooms becomes a free kill because of all the noise they are required to make. It's not a wooden barrier where the resource to knock them down/make the defenders watch them is a few bullets or a melee.
>its a niggers who are smoking pot game and screaming jibberish over their mics game
>>140398781
Literally anyone can take down a castle barrier. Just melee it 12 times. Hell, I do this for funsies sometimes just to mess with the defenders. Sometimes they even waste a C4 and the barricade when I do it. A well placed grenade will take it down quick too. Castle barricades are useless
>>140400086
>melee twelve times
>bang on it twelve times, clearly letting the defenders know where you are so they can watch the entrance, all while you use up precious seconds.
>or use a grenade
Again, resources. I don't even need to type anymore. I've explain the resource question in previous posts.
Castle is top 5 defenders and top 10 operators. Get over it.
>>140400086
>Just melee it 12 times.
Yeah guys, just sit around by the barricade and melee it 12 times, revealing your position to everyone and taking several seconds off your timer! It's totally worthless next to the regular barricades!
Not to mention wasting a grenade on a fucking barricade, more if you fuck up and it rolls too far.
You all know this guy is just a console kid right?
He doesn't know how easy it is to pull a headshot off on the scripted and always the same window vaulting animation.
>>140400317
>>bang on it twelve times, clearly letting the defenders know where you are so they can watch the entrance, all while you use up precious seconds.
woah shit, just like what would happen if i knocked down a wooden barricade. At least I can shoot them more effectively through the wooden barricade while they're trying to knock it donw.
Since when were attacker resources ever all that important? Only thermite charges and tatcher chharges are. You get plenty of breaching charges, and using up one grenade isn't that big of a deal.
>>140400480
>one guy knocks on it 12 times
>only a few seconds
>everyone will know you're there anyways while knocking down a wooden barricade.
At least you're mostly protected meleeing down a castle barricade. I don't see the problem.
>>140400016
Sledge isn't noisy at all. And he's really fast now after his buff. The most warning you have before Sledge takes down your pansy barricade is the noise of him gripping the hammer less than a second before it's destroyed.
Breaching charges are for breaching, not just for walls. Attackers with breaching charges get 3 of them, 2 more than they usually need. Grenades are also useful for destroying Castle's barricades because 90% of the time Jager has an ADS in the objective room anyway. And like the other guy said you can just melee it.
>>140400317
Only because Castle is recommended for new players and these new players continue to play him thinking they're doing something useful.
>>140400675
Fucking nobody vaults through a window near an objective. You at most risk peeking objective windows before moving on.
>>140400748
>woah shit, just like what would happen if i knocked down a wooden barricade.
>taking as much time to knock down a wooden barricade as a caste barricade
>melee-hitting wooden barricades with enemies on the other side
Confirmed retard.
The danger isn't the guys on the other side of the barricade. The danger is the guys flanking you when you tell everyone you're busy knocking on a barricade. The point isn't to keep someone from entering a room completely, it's to slow their entrance down(12 hits instead of shooting the barricade a couple of times while trying to hit the people inside as well, or using up supplies that then can't be used on other walls) because the attackers are on a timer and the defenders are not.
You might as well claim mute is useless because thatcher exists, meaning that it just slows the attack down.
>>140397763
>you waste your c4 to open it up
>Posts DSP
Poetry
>Couple buddies and I play together
>Carry the endless shitters
>Encounter a memelord, anime avatar or extreme shitter
>C4 them when they're picking up armor
I'm getting my money's worth.
>>140400748
>just like what would happen if i knocked down a wooden barricade
Nah.
You only need to punch one hole in a wooden barrier for it to become dangerous to the defenders. Punch a whole in every window on say, Consulate, either office, and the defenders now have a whole lot more to watch. This comes up on House too, but with the added danger of the high ground attackers can get to snipe through even a small hole.
Moreover, it's not about shooting the attackers, it's about increasing the risk involved when they try to shoot you. They'll always be going for that peeker's advantage, which makes them predictable. It's the same as CS where CT doesn't defend so much as they counter-attack.
>since when were attacker resources every important
Every castle/mute barrier requires a thatcher EMP to take down. Three barriers means three EMPs, although that should never happen. Either way, it forced thatcher to use up a resource that could have been spent killing something more useful, like ADS.
Also, keep in mind that every attacker who takes breaching charges doesn't take grenades. Yes, it may only be smoke or stun, but those are what you throw to test for ADS so no frags/emps get wasted.
Again, resources.
By default, attackers go, at worst, neutral on resource use when entering. Castle forces them to go negative by using up additional resources. For defenders, that means instead of no trade occurring, they get a positive trade for every hole a defender wants to make.
Don't get me started on how much of a waste it is to use a frag on a castle barrier.
>>140400851
We've covered melee, it still gives the defenders the benefit of noise and time.
Grenades don't work on windows like I mentioned on Kanal. Sledge is certainly an issue, I admit, but his hammer is just strong in general for breaking a perimeter down.
>castle is recommended for new players and therefore he's bad
That's not much of an argument lad. Isn't Thatcher and Thermite also recommended?
>>140401469
A few seconds difference in knocking down a castle barricade vs a wooden barricade is almost negligible. Especially considering that knocking down a wooden barricade will result in people shooting you while you try.
And guess what, you will still get flanked knocking down a wooden barricade because people inside will be shooting you through the hole you made and flankers will be rushing towards the gunfire to catch you on the flank.
Who cares if you use up a breaching charge. What else are you going to use them on? Everything else is reinforced or just wooden barricades. I almost never run out of breaching charges.
Mute is next to useless, not just because thatcher exists, but because bandit is far, far superior and mutes can serve to hinder bandits
>>140402330
>Mute is next to useless, not just because thatcher exists, but because bandit is far, far superior and mutes can serve to hinder bandits
We did it boys. We confirmed the retard.
Mute is literally a better Bandit because he not only stops drones, but also stops charges and wastes time. You can see when bandit has shocked a wall and you don't even waste the time putting a charge on it and then picking it back up after finding it doesn't work.
This game is shit to play alone and really fun when played with friends with voice chat on
Have you invited your friends to play with, /r6g/?
>>140398236
UMP is more flexible though
>>140330416
>Castle
>GOAT
wew lad
>>140402330
>A few seconds difference in knocking down a castle barricade vs a wooden barricade is almost negligible.
Have you seriously never had a game where the attackers get pressed for time with less than a minute left, leaving them either rushing in prematurely and getting killed, or running out the clock? Every extra second counts to bring that about.
>And guess what, you will still get flanked knocking down a wooden barricade because people inside will be shooting you through the hole you made and flankers will be rushing towards the gunfire to catch you on the flank.
The point is that you won't be sitting still knocking on the barricade when the flanker shows up if it's a wooden barricade.
>Mute is next to useless, not just because thatcher exists, but because bandit is far, far superior and mutes can serve to hinder bandits
God I hope you're just pretending to be retarded.
>>140402330
>you will still get flanked knocking down a wooden barricade because people inside will be shooting you through the hole you made and flankers will be rushing towards the gunfire to catch you on the flank.
What? No.
One melee on a barrier you suspect hostiles will be watching. Going back for the second hit is almost certain to get you killed if someone's watching. If you need to break one down, melee once if possible, and shoot it down otherwise. That's if you only want to spend time rather than use up a breaching charge.
Why on earth would you continue attempting to push through a doorway after receiving fire from it? The defenders have positional and cover advantages on you unless you're a shield. That's just going to get you killed.
>>140402327
>You only need to punch one hole in a wooden barrier for it to become dangerous to the defenders. Punch a whole in every window on say, Consulate, either office, and the defenders now have a whole lot more to watch. This comes up on House too, but with the added danger of the high ground attackers can get to snipe through even a small hole.
This happens almost instantly with an ash or sledge. Never have I seen castle barricades stand up for more than a few seconds into a match in a window heavy objective.
>Every castle/mute barrier requires a thatcher EMP to take down
One emp on the roof of the room will take out everything in the room. That saves one EMP for whatever thermite needs, and one extra.
>For defenders, that means instead of no trade occurring,
You just gave up a competent operator with a better ability for the slightest of inconveniences for the attackers. If anything, if you barricaded a door, you're inconveniencing your own roamers.
>>140402609
>not stopping drones with bullets
>not doing the bandit trick and completely wasting a thermite
>thinking a competent thermite would waste time on a jammed wall
>>140402721
UMP can't blast open trap doors, so depending on the map/play strategy the shotgun does lend more options.
>>140403043
>bandit trick
>reliable
That's all I needed to hear.
>>140397763
As a defender you can pull down castle's barricades just fine like you would do with any other barricade.
It just takes longer and the barricade removed goes straight back to castle's inventory as if it was never placed.
No need to waste c4 on that.
>>140402937
>Have you seriously never had a game where the attackers get pressed for time with less than a minute left, leaving them either rushing in prematurely and getting killed, or running out the clock? Every extra second counts to bring that about.
The clock doesn't get run down because they actually don't have enough time. It's because the attackers are wasting time being timid and dicking around not pushing when the should be. The castle barricades they spent extra time taking down wouldn't have made a difference, as they would still be waiting to build up the courage to breach the room.
>The point is that you won't be sitting still knocking on the barricade when the flanker shows up if it's a wooden barricade.
What, no teammates? No droning? If a flanker comes, let him, it's an easy way to draw them out and take out one of theirs early.
>God I hope you're just pretending to be retarded.
Mute is newbie bait. Same as castle. That's why nobody plays them unless they have to for challenges.
>>140403278
Get better headphones. I've never failed the bandit trick before
>bandit-fag complaining about other defenders being useless because it's a different play-style from his roam-and-gun and one-trick-pony style and because it "slows him down"
Bandit players truly are the most autistic.
>>140403671
As a bandit fag, most other defenders are useful. Even doc is useful. Castle and mute are not.
>>140400675
This webm cracks me up everytime
>>140403531
>What, no teammates?
While you're busy beating on the barricade your teammates are either in a firefight with the roamer, which you could be helping out with if it was a regular barricade and you only needed to hit it once, or they have to watch your back, in which case you might still get fucked up due to peaker's advantage and your team being stationary beating on the barricade.
>>140403824
>bandit-fag thinking a pocket healer is more useful than the entry denial guys
Whoddathunkit.
Why do redditors have to debate everything all the time? Jesus christ no one fucking cares.
>>140403043
Castle has more barricades than Ash has shots. Moreover, if the Ash prioritizes the castle barriers, that just means she won't have shots later to put through walls or interior barriers.
Again, resources. Wooden barriers she can just use her rifle on if she wants.
>one EMP on the roof
I was waiting for someone to bring this up. At least I know I'm responding to a guy with at least a decent understanding of the game now.
Either way, big rooms like on Kanal control room or Consulate still make it uncertain where the devices are going to be placed, so it's still easily possible for Thatcher to use up two hitting the probably locations.
I agree that small rooms like Kanal CG office only take one however.
I maintain that counterplay still exists for this, since if I'm playing a tech-heavy operator like Jaeger I wait on playing my ADS until at least 30 seconds into the round, since most Thatchers will drop an EMP on roof by then. Mind you, this is personal conjecture. Don't take this as an argument based on anything but personal experience. It's an interesting counterpoint, so I included it.
>gave up a competent operator with a better ability
Who would we be swapping out for? Even if his barriers don't work out, Castle still does have one of the best shotguns in the game. If we assume you're right, and barriers are out, then yes, there'd be no reason to take him over Pulse, but I maintain the barriers do work just because they require a different approach to destroy. It's the same case as Jaeger, except we can't agree on whether how he changes the gameplay is meaningful.
