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1st for best waifu
2nd for actual best waifu
If Casper isn't careful she might hurt someone!
WOULD you play a Madoka Magica shmup, shmupg?
Which girl WOULD you use?
1-2-TAP
1-2-TAP
1-2-TAP
Everything in this game goes from impossible to easy once you know the trick. I don't know if I love or hate it.
>>137826269
I'd rather play CCWI again.
OH hey, Look what I stole form shmupfarm!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=637500472
crimzon clover stage 2 boss is the most unfun boss in shmups ever
you cant prove me wrong
>>137831085
I hate bosses that teabag you in the middle of the fight
>>137830203
I posted that in the last thread as well. GET IN THERE AND VOTE, MAGGOTS.
Has anyone tried this WIP game yet?
http://senro.net/stg/stg.htm
I can't get it to run without the framerate going out of control at 200 fps.
Just went from rank 1800 to 800 in Ikarugaon PC
One day I will not be shit at video games
>>137832649
Hey congrats. What difficulty?
The Gorge is much easier with the girl exclusive to MBL, got to the boss this time
>>137829625
You have some good taste, anon
>>137827502
>Everything in this game goes from impossible to easy once you know the trick. I don't know if I love or hate it.
Just wait till loop 2 then where it goes from knowing the trick to brutally random bullshit and having to intuitively reading every situation especially bosses, making split second decisions of how and when you shoot because of the randomly timed popcorn element.
>>137833914
Normal
>>137830203
isn't this game already out? is this like an upgraded version?
>>137835316
sounds frustrating
>>137836306
Yes at first but when you get to grips with it its really addictive and fun.
>>137836306
A lot of the harder modes are until you can handle them.
NOT AGAIN!
>>137841032
>tfw no arcades
>>137841256
>tfw arcades are fightan, light gun and one GnG
>>137841256
iktfqw
>>137841382
>GnG
Go play her anon
You know what Sunday is? It's the start of the week, of course!And the start of a week. Try and guess which game!
>>137843991
弾銃フィーバロン?
>>137844413
mayhaps!
tfw can't practice because of headache
>>137843991
The S in Sunday stands for Sand Scorpion!
>>137845256
>tfw have to play so you can distract your mind from pain
>>137843991
But... Sunday is the end of the week.
>>137843991
Alltynex week?
Stay alive.
>>137850572
/shmupg/ smiles in the face of death
I can smell 200mil in Deathsmiles. Just need to improve scoring on Forest stage.
I've been thinking about dpad vs arcade stick for shmups. I've never played on stick but I assume dpad is pretty suitable for horizontals and stick really shines in verticals. Is this true?
>>137851028
As long as the method of control isn't literally broken, it does not matter in the least. I almost solely use a dpad because I can make quicker direction changes like I'm accustomed to with a keyboard.
Please don't die on me again while I'm asleep!
Use those bombs!
>>137853153
I make no promises.
>>137851028
>I've never played on stick but I assume dpad is pretty suitable for horizontals and stick really shines in verticals. Is this true?
How would the scrolling direction make any difference?
And it's pretty widely accepted that dpad/thumbstick is the worst input method, but that doesn't mean it can't work for you.
Just be aware there will be a fairly long transition period if you pick up stick
>>137855969
I would like to try a stick before buying it but the nearest arcade cabinet is 300 miles away.
>>137855969
>And it's pretty widely accepted that dpad/thumbstick is the worst input method
Still better than fucking keyboard
>>137859920
>Still better than fucking keyboard
It's literally the exact same thing expect you get to use three fingers instead of one
The results are in - you're retarded
>>137860221
It's not the same at all, retard. Pad is much more intuitive and you can do diagonals with it much better.
>>137860440
>It's not the same at all, retard.
>4 buttons, one finger
>4 buttons, three fingers
It's exactly the same.
>Pad is much more intuitive
Just means you're more used to it, not a valid argument
>and you can do diagonals with it much better.
Bullshit. Three fingers covering the same area lets you do diagonals and change directions a lot faster and more precisely.
>I use a stick to play my shmups, I'm a real hardcore gamer!
>>137860631
>It's exactly the same.
No, it's not the same at all. It is a huge difference if you have to use three fingers or only one.
>Just means you're more used to it, not a valid argument
No, it means that it is more intuitve if I just have to press right/up on the thumbstick or d-pad, instead of having to press two keys simultaneously.
>Three fingers covering the same area lets you do diagonals and change directions a lot faster and more precisely.
I thought it was exactly the same? Are you fucking retarded? First you say keyboard is better than pad, then you say they are the same, now you say keyboard is better again... You are obviously fucking retarded...
>>137861148
>It is a huge difference if you have to use three fingers or only one.
Yeah, the huge difference is you have less control and precision, which is my point. Are you suddenly agreeing with me now?
>No, it means that it is more intuitve if I just have to press right/up on the thumbstick or d-pad, instead of having to press two keys simultaneously.
When I want to go up right on a keyboard, I press up/right on the arrow keys. Same shit. Are you stupid? The only reason you'd see that as any less intuitive is if you're just more used to dpad, which is not an argument for its general viability.
>>137861341
>the huge difference is you have less control and precision, which is my point.
You don't make any points, fucktard. You constantly change your opinion and just talk retarded nonsense.
>I press up/right on the arrow keys. Same shit. Are you stupid?
It's not the same at all if you have to press two keys simultaneously with two fingers instead of just having to press a single direction with only one finger. You are obviously fucking stupid, since you can't even comprehend simple logic.
>>137861682
>You constantly change your opinion and just talk retarded nonsense.
>first fucking post
>It's literally the exact same thing except you get to use three fingers instead of one
>except
Reading isn't hard, anon
>It's not the same at all if you have to press two keys simultaneously with two fingers instead of just having to press a single direction with only one finger.
On dpad you're pressing two buttons with one finger, on keyboard you're pressing two buttons with two fingers. Same thing but more control.
Sleep enhances memory and learning ability. Always get enough sleep /shmupg/
Place your pad on a flat surface and use an overhand grip to tap the d-pad and face buttons with multiple fingers, ignoring thumbs entirely.
>>137861881
>Reading isn't hard, anon
You fucking retard first said pad is worse than keyboard. Then you said it would be the same, then you said it would be worse again, etc etc. You are completely fucking retarded.
>Same thing but more control.
It's not more control at all, in contrary, doing diagonals is much more difficult if you have to press two keys simultaneously with two fingers than just pressing in a direction with one finger.
Everytime I get to stage 5 my heart starts racing like crazy and I get super nervous. ;_;
>>137862074
Why should anyone do this? There is a reason why people buy controllers for pc, just like there is a reason why arcades have a stick instead of a fucking keyboard layout, because many games are better played with controllers or sticks.
>>137862074
I can't even begin to imagine how retarded this would look.
>>137862564
>You fucking retard first said pad is worse than keyboard. Then you said it would be the same, then you said it would be worse again, etc etc. You are completely fucking retarded.
Thanks for proving you still can't read, because the answer to that is clearly right there in the post you just responded to.
>It's not more control at all, in contrary, doing diagonals is much more difficult if you have to press two keys simultaneously with two fingers than just pressing in a direction with one finger.
Are you only playing the first few stages of games? Because being able to instantly transition from direction to direction with perfect precision is mandatory for these games. When you have to physically move your single thumb around to do so, that's objectively less control than being able to cover multiple directions at the same time.
Try doing a pattern where you need to rapidly tap left and right with frame perfect precision, go ahead and tell me it's easier to rattle your thumb left and right than to press two separate keys with individually moving fingers.
There's no point in arguing with retards who refuse to read or take in basic logic.
>>137860976
B-But I just like the stick out of personal preference... plus it might be nice to be used to controlling with a stick in case I get the chance to play in an actual arcade.Not that there are any around.
Really though, I think this argument is kinda pointless. People should use what they like and not care if other people use different controllers. It's certainly not worth fighting over.
It feels like we have this argument a lot, but I guess that's the price to keep the thread alive sometimes...
>>137862943
>>137863364
I play JRPGs like this, since holding the controller is too much of a chore for those games and there's so little to press you usually only need one hand on the controller.
>>137863364
>Thanks for proving you still can't read
I can read perfectly fine, but you just talk complete nonsense.
>Are you only playing the first few stages of games?
Post your scores if you think you are so much better, or stfu.
>Try doing a pattern where you need to rapidly tap left and right with frame perfect precision
I can do such patterns perfectly fine with a pad. I fail to see your problem with this.
Why don't you try to do a fast transition from pressing left/down direction to pressing right/up direction for a change?
Doing this with a pad is simple as fuck, but with a keyboard it is much difficult.
>>137841256
>tfw you will never own an arcade named "Special Round" so you can tell people "WELCOME TO SPECIAL ROUND"
Reposting from last thread. Score's in the top 10 on shmup farm and it's not even a 1cc.
>>137862074
That sounds very uncomfortable, I'm going to keep using my gamepad how I normally do.
>>137862676
Stage 5 is rough, but don't lose hope yet.
>>137864137
>I can read perfectly fine, but you just talk complete nonsense.
If you still don't know what the word "except" means, then no, you can't read.
>I can do such patterns perfectly fine with a pad.
And you could do it a lot better on a real input method.
>Why don't you try to do a fast transition from pressing left/down direction to pressing right/up direction for a change?
>Doing this with a pad is simple as fuck, but with a keyboard it is much difficult.
In that example they're the same thing, you're moving one finger between two states.
So what you're telling me is in your best case example they're equal, in my typical example keyboard is better. So why even reply?
I don't care what method you use and prefer, but trying to pitch an objectively inferior control scheme with less rapid precision as the best is always going to be stupid.
>>137866092
>If you still don't know what the word "except" means, then no, you can't read.
You fucking retard didn't even write "except", you wrote "expect". And apart from this were you acting as if it was the same.
>It's literally the exact same thing
>It's exactly the same.
You were acting as if using one or three fingers wouldn't matter, you fucking retard.
>And you could do it a lot better on a real input method.
So now pads are not "real input methods" anymore? You are trying to troll on the lowest levels now.
>In that example they're the same thing, you're moving one finger between two states.
You do not move one finger on keyboard there, you have to move three fingers.
>So what you're telling me is in your best case example they're equal
No, they are not equal at all. Pad is obviously better for these games. The best is still arcade stick, but keyboard is just complete crap for these games, except you only play simple shit like touhou or whatever.
>>137867739
>You fucking retard didn't even write "except", you wrote "expect". And apart from this were you acting as if it was the same.
I don't even have words for how stupid you are if you can't read through a blatant typo.
Ignoring context and arguing semantics instead of the actual point only weakens your argument.
>You were acting as if using one or three fingers wouldn't matter, you fucking retard.
Even more proof you can't read.
>You do not move one finger on keyboard there, you have to move three fingers.
No, you move one. Left and right fingers stay exactly where they are.
>No, they are not equal at all. Pad is obviously better for these games.
"I'm right because I say so" is not an argument, anon.
Intuitiveness has nothing to do at all with hoe effective an input method is. Hitboxes for fighters are unintuitive as fuck but lots of tournaments ban them because the amount of control and precision they give you is practically cheating.
Meanwhile your only argument for pad is "hurr it's more intuitive"
Fuck off retard, you lose. Play whatever you want, but don't run around trying to convince yourself the shitty method you're used to is better.
>>137868329
>Left and right fingers stay exactly where they are.
If you do this you won't move at all, you fucking retard. All you will do is just moving upwards when pressing up.
But whatever, I'm done arguing with retards like you.
>>137868814
Pressing a button is not moving a finger, it's already in place. Moving a finger from place to place weakens precision, having fingers already on multiple spots so you don't have to move before pressing increases precision.
On keyboard you just have to press for everything but up/down, on pad you always need to move and press. I don't understand what there is to not get about this.
>But whatever, I'm done arguing with retards like you.
Right back at you!
No please, don't stop yet we could use the bumps.
>>137869194
This. I don't want to deathbomb the thread constantly.
I did a thing
>>137871037
Impressive!
when u panic bomber at the end of a fight
>>137871358
You can feel the survival rank kicking in. The old route for the middle section was too dangerous to do here because of the higher rank.
>>137872610
Is this Gradius or Nemesis? There is a startling amount of shit flying around at 0:15.
it boggles my mind how someone got 300 mil on ds arcade
>>137873064
Just regular old Gradius. The reason there was so much there was because I messed up a little and had to dodge my way out of it.
If it was Nemesis you would have seen some mercy powerups at the start.
bampu
Deathbombing just in time.
Decided to do Nemesis for comparison.
The mercy powerups make it much easier, and the rank seems to increase more slowly too.
>>137869130
>Pressing a button is not moving a finger
Of course you move a finger if you press a button... LMFAO how retarded can you be
>>137876313
>>137877806
Is /vg/ really that fast today?
>>137878196
>multiple
Judging by the last thread, I'm guessing that's the PAL version of Nemesis, which isn't as stupid as NTSC Nemesis.
>>137878693
There are two versions of Nemesis, one is an exact clone of Gradius with a different title, and multiple instead of option. The other also has the text changes in addition to a modified rank system, mercy powerup enemies appearing after death, and the ability to continue. This is the latter.
>>137879072
Ah. Sorry, still really retarded when it comes to Gradius. Should really fix that if I'm gonna post here.
>>137880612
Don't worry about it, Nemesis is pretty irrelevant nowadays. It's just that weird localization that there isn't much reason to play anymore.
>>137878492
Try reading the second and third sentences too
>>137878507
You have no fucking idea.
Actually, I've heard of some people who want to play the original Gradius on actual hardware buying PCBs of the unmodified version of Nemesis.
The original bubble memory PCBs of Gradius are mostly non-working now, and the ROM version is apparently very rare and expensive. So they go with nemesisuk since it's much cheaper and easier to find than either a working bubble board or a Gradius ROM board.
>>137881052
Try using logic for a change. You make no fucking sense.
>>137884142
>being this asshurt that you were wrong and have no arguments to defend yourself
>>137884423
In your dreams retard. Keep living in your twisted reality.
>>137884643
still waiting for that argument, any time you're ready
Nothing beats the feeling of executing ultra-precise omnidirectional tapping that the keyboard is capable of generating.
>>137884884
What argument? There is nothing to argue about. If you think you don't have to move a finger when pressing a button then you are clearly retarded.
at least we won't 404 now
>>137885398
Speaking of, the /vr/ thread is almost dead too.
>>137885394
I already read your nonsense, fucktard. You still have to move a finger when pressing something, though.
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/strikers1945/strikers1945.htm
It says here the first 5 levels of Strikers 1945 are in a random order. Is this a mistake? It seems like only the first 4 are random
are there any shmups with music/instrument themes?
>>137885603
So when are you going to show me how dpad is better?
>>137885958
I already did, but you will never accept it. Keyboard obviously sucks at diagonals, which is very important in arcade games, but if one is as retarded as you, you can not comprehend why.
>>137885958
Can you counterstop Futari Ultra?
>>137886275
Most of the people who have done that used a stick
>>137885840
I don't know if it's quite what you're looking for, but Symphony makes a stage out of songs that you have on your hard drive.
>>137886353
To be honest I lost track of what was being compared and with what.
>>137886225
I explained to you how that's not true, and you just ignored it.
Thanks for admitting you were wrong.
>>137886469
He basically said keyboard is better than anything.
>>137886423
nah i meant like a music aesthetic
>>137885785
4 random 4 fixed
>>137886469
keyboard vs dpad/analog
>>137886563
Hm. Let it be known, also in relation to the dpad, that everything Gobou did he did on a dpad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzaXmnG7dBk
>>137886495
You didn't explain shit, all you did is talking retarded nonsense.
Just because you can lay two fingers on your 4 directions on keyboard, doesn't mean it's better at anything.
You can't even do a fucking 360 motion on a keyboard without breaking your fingers, because they fucking suck at diagonals.
>>137886838
>You didn't explain shit, all you did is talking retarded nonsense.
It's not my fault if you can't read.
>LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I'M STILL RIGHT
Whatever helps you sleep at night, kiddo.
>>137886958
If you got no arguments, just stfu
>>137887093
Take your own advice
>>137886838
>You can't even do a fucking 360 motion on a keyboard without breaking your fingers, because they fucking suck at diagonals.
Not him, but this is bullshit. I can easily do 360 degree motions, it just takes some practice. Hell I used to play that Touhou fighting game with a keyboard, and I promise that the dragon punch combo is a lot harder than a 360.
>>137887201
I don't believe you one word. Just the fact that you play touhou fighting games is reason enough to ignore you.
>>137887358
lol okay, thanks for the bumps.
>>137887358
He's pretty good if he played IaMP, Hisoutensoku is pleb tier though.
>>137887148
I posted arguments, you just ignored them.
>>137886838
>Just because you can lay two fingers on your 4 directions on keyboard, doesn't mean it's better at anything.
It means you can change directions faster and more precisely, since those two directions are both covered at once.
>You can't even do a fucking 360 motion on a keyboard without breaking your fingers, because they fucking suck at diagonals.
Your own lack of skill with a control scheme doesn't mean it's bad.
It's time to stop posting.
>>137887608
>It means you can change directions faster and more precisely
I can change directions perfectly fine with pad or stick. Also if you have to move left-down and right-up for example, keyboard becomes complete crap.
>Your own lack of skill with a control scheme doesn't mean it's bad.
This has nothing to do with skill, fucktard. Just because some people also can play fighting games with their mouth, doesn't mean it's an acceptable input method.
>>137888069
>This has nothing to do with skill, fucktard
This has everything to do with skill. You suck eggs with one control scheme and so assume it's the input method's fault, and when presented with people that perform just fine with a keyboard you bunker down and shitpost about it.
>>137886809
>put all this effort into a perfect run
>used an external modification so the replay is void
>>137888069
>This has nothing to do with skill, fucktard.
>I can change directions perfectly fine with pad or stick. Also if you have to move left-down and right-up for example, keyboard becomes complete crap.
Oh the irony.
It's funny how the amount of skill you have on your control scheme of choice does count but the amount of skill you have on the one you don't like doesn't.
Shmups rarely even have you moving in 360s, which is keyboard's weakest point, but shmups have you CONSTANTLY tapping left and right with a high amount of precision necessary which is pad's weakest point.
You're right, skill level has nothing to do with this, the baseline control capabilities of each method when played at optimal experience does, and that's where pad falls short.
>>137888251
I don't even ever played with keyboard seriously, fucktard, because I know that it's crap. It's just common sense that pad and stick is better, because you don't have to press keys simultaneously to do fucking simple diagonals.
There is a reason why arcade machines have sticks on them, and not fucking keyboard layouts, dumbass. Because playing arcade games with a keyboard fucking sucks.
>>137888660
>There is a reason why arcade machines have sticks on them, and not fucking keyboard layouts, dumbass. Because playing arcade games with a keyboard fucking sucks.
There's also a reason why arcades don't have fucking dpads.
Nobody's saying keyboard is better than stick, they're saying pad is the worst of the three.
>>137888581
Only by Royalflare's retarded-ass rules
>>137888854
I don't know where the hell you got that idea, each input method has its drawbacks and it literally only matters to autists.
>>137888602
>It's funny how the amount of skill you have on your control scheme of choice does count but the amount of skill you have on the one you don't like doesn't.
I already explained why it doesn't count, but you are too retarded to understand it.
>Shmups rarely even have you moving in 360s, which is keyboard's weakest point
I used the 360 example to emphatize on the fact that keyboards suck at diagonals, fucktard. And diagonals are needed in this genre, no matter what kind of simple crap you like to play.
Gee, it sure is hard to use two fingers at once.
>>137889349
Keyboard doesn't suck at diagonals, you suck at keyboard.
Have you never used arrow keys for anything in your fucking life? Like, I don't understand how it's possible to be bad at that
>>137888854
>Nobody's saying keyboard is better than stick
Except you fucking retards say this the whole time here, but you are even too dumb to understand your own words.
If you say keyboard is better than pad, just because you can lay your fingers on some keys, then this also means you think it is better than stick.
Are there any top-tier 2hu players who use stick btw? I'm curious
I think it's better to bump this thread every 40 minutes instead.
>>137889637
>Except you fucking retards say this the whole time here, but you are even too dumb to understand your own words.
Show me where anyone in this conversation has said keyboard is better than stick, and not that keyboard is better than dpad.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>137889591
Of course it sucks at diagonals. It is something completely different if you just have to press a fucking direction, than if you have to press key combinations simultaneously.
>>137889824
It's too late for that anon.
Nothing to do but sit back and bet on who will win this argument.
>>137889950
>WOW I HAVE TO PRESS TWO BUTTONS TO MOVE TWO DIRECTIONS AT ONCE
>SO FUCKING HARD, MY BRAIN CAN'T HANDLE THIS
>I STILL HAVE NO ARGUMENT FOR MORE RESPONSIVE LEFT AND RIGHT MOVEMENT SO I'LL KEEP SHITPOSTING ABOUT HOW I'M BAD AT DIAGONALS AND HOPE HE FORGETS
>>137889849
Again, you say it the whole time, retards.
>keyboard is so awesome for rapid direction changes because you can lay your fingers on 2 of your 4 keys
>>137888967
>retarded-ass rules
lol
this hurts
>>137890292
Maybe not as retarded as that alcoholic hack ZUN for not including native d-pad support in the first place, but still pretty retarded.
>>137890269
>mentioning one of the keyboard's strengths means we prefer it over stick
Can this thread 404 already, we need to reset.
>>137890269
>not a single word about stick
Still waiting.
>>137890209
>>WOW I HAVE TO PRESS TWO BUTTONS TO MOVE TWO DIRECTIONS AT ONCE
You also could press 10 keys to do diagonals. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to do this though.
>>137891139
Name a controller that requires 10 keys to do diagonals.
>>137890535
If you say that this "strength" is the reason why it is ostensibly better than pad, then you also think it is better than stick, because stick is similar to pad in this regard.
>>137890779
>i can't use simple logic
Still laughing
>>137891305
>because stick is similar to pad in this regard.
You use your whole hand on stick though, you use all 5 fingers to manipulate it rather than one thumb.
As far as I'm aware that's why the order is generally considered stick > keyboard > pad, but at the end of the day it really doesn't fucking matter and you should just use whatever you want
>>137891239
What does this even have to do with this?
I've never lost and thought, 'well shit, if only I was using a different input method I would have won'. This argument is completely pointless, just play with whatever you want and get good with that.
>>137891646
>What does this even have to do with this?
>>137891139
>You also could press 10 keys to do diagonals
Either point out a controller where this is actually necessary, because without an example this is just a stupid argument to absurdity.
>>137891549
You still have to move the stick though, just like you have to move an analogue stick or dpad or whatever.
The argument was about keyboard would be better because you have to move your finger manipulate the dpad, instead of having 2 or 3 fingers rested. On a stick you also have to move your fingers instead of having them rested, but this doesn't mean shit.
Also where did anyone ever come up with that keyboard would be better than pad? In general people prefer pad much more keyboard. Keyboard is something which people will laugh at you for, if you say you use it.
>>137892135
inb4 the "either" I forgot to delete when I was typing up this post is used to "prove I'm a retard"
>>137892135
You fucking retard just miss the whole point. Just because it is easy to press 2 keys simultaneously, or to press 10 keys or 20 keys simultaneously, doesn't mean it is a good idea to constabtly having to do while playing a game.
You know Hina/Hibachi has grown on me for the past couple years. Though I will admit, I did cringe a bit when I saw Hibachi turn into her for the first time.
>>137892334
So you can't provide a single example of having to use more than 2 keys to do a simple movement. Pressing 2 keys at once isn't a hassle for people that aren't developmentally stunted, pressing 10 keys at once would be but that has never ever been necessary.
Christ, I'm going back to Kamui. I hope this thread burns.
are there any shmup episodes of gamecenter cx?
>>137892596
Who cares if it ever has been necessary? Using your logic, if you can't press 10 keys whenever doing diagonals then you are also fucking retarded.
Anyone can press 10 keys simultaneously.
>>137892516
I'm willing to accept her existence if only because lolibachi rolls of the tongue so well.
>>137892736
There's one where kacho plays NES Gradius and gets wrecked.
There's another where he plays Futari Ultra and gets wrecked
>>137892736
I'm sure they played Gradius at some point, was even posted on these threads. I'll go look and post if no one else does first.
>>137892736
Episode 136 is Gradius, and I think he plays Futari in non-challenge portion of 68.
>>137892736
>>137893129
Yup, as >>137893162 says it's episode 136. Also this is the first picture that comes up if you google Gamecenter CX
>>137892516
She's cute, but the fact that she exists still pisses me off. Hibachi should be a mechanized doomsday machine, not some frilly girl with a squealy voice.
>>137862074
That's probably how fucktards who prefer keyboard play with pad lol (so basically noone)
>>137893162
Oh, he also plays Gradius in ep 9, in a find the secrets thing. I didn't know there was another Gradius episode.
>>137892158
There's a big difference between manipulating the controls themselves and moving YOURSELF to the controls before you manipulate them. It's another layer of interaction that needs to take place before your intended input is read by the game.
On stick you don't have to do it at all, on keyboard you need to do it for up and down, on dpad you have to do it for everything.
>In general people prefer pad much more keyboard. Keyboard is something which people will laugh at you for, if you say you use it.
Source?
Popularity has nothing to do with this and it just shows me you're desperately grasping as straws for ways to defend yourself.
>>137892962
That actually does roll off the tongue the more I say it.
>>137893531
>Hibachi should be a mechanized doomsday machine, not some frilly girl with a squealy voice
The funniest thing about that is that her voice actress also voices Madoka Kaname. You can only imagine my face when I found that out. Though yeah nobody will deny she's adorable.
>>137893897
>her voice actress also voices Madoka Kaname
You've got to be shitting me.
>>137894063
NO bullshit. Both of them were voiced by the same person.
>>137893383
>5 minutes in and he's already cheating
lol
>>137893801
>There's a big difference between manipulating the controls themselves and moving YOURSELF to the controls before you manipulate them.
If you play with analogue stick you also don't have to "move yourself" lol. Also, if this would play any role on a dpad, then people would use dpads like this >>137862074 instead of with their thumbs. But noone does this, only if you are fucking retarded perhaps.
>Popularity has nothing to do with this
Of course it has to do with it. You retards argued that keyboard is generally seen as better than pad, which is actually complete nonsense. In general people prefer pad much more, and keyboard players are defensive as fuck, because everyone just laughs at them.
>>137894517
>Also, if this would play any role on a dpad, then people would use dpads like this >>137862074 instead of with their thumbs.
Of course not, because if you're going to try and make pad better like that you'd just use a keyboard instead.
And it's widely known objective fact that popularity =/= quality so there's no purpose in even trying to play that card.
>>137894184
>it's actually true
Holy fuck.
>>137894873
>Of course not, because if you're going to try and make pad better like that
The fact that you really think playing with a pad like that would be better only proves how retarded you are.
>And it's widely known objective fact that popularity =/= quality so there's no purpose in even trying to play that card.
It was not me who played that card, fucktard. I was just responded to you retards arguing that keyboard is generally seen as better.
>>137895306
>The fact that you really think playing with a pad like that would be better only proves how retarded you are.
That's the exact opposite of what I just said so I guess we're back to the whole "you can't read" thing
>>137895306
Of course, it was posted by the other sperglord autist brainlessly defending a shitty control scheme with zero arguments and constantly calling everyone "fucktard."
Oh, wait...
>>137895526
>That's the exact opposite of what I just said so I guess we're back to the whole "you can't read" thing
You are totally missing the point again, fucktard. You said you think it is better to play with a pad in such a retarded way, playing it with your fingers, than how you would use it usually, with your thumbs. Only a fucking retard can think that way.
>>137896225
>You said you think it is better to play with a pad in such a retarded way, playing it with your fingers, than how you would use it usually, with your thumbs
But I didn't say that.
Reading.
>>137896440
>if you're going to try and make pad better like that
>make pad better like that
>>137896565
There are more words in the sentence after those, I highly suggest reading them
post your scores?
He's obviously trolling, stop replying.
>>137896698
Already did. 21 million in Kamui, now I just need to get an all clear alongside it.
>>137896698
i got 65 mil in DS arcade with rosa but died to tyrannosatan
>>137896690
These words don't change anything about what you said. Just because you think keyboard would be still better, doesn't change the fact that you said playing on a pad like a retard would be better than playing it like a normal person.
>>137896937
>These words don't change anything about what you said.
Yes they do.
Thanks for confirming you can't read.
>doesn't change the fact that you said playing on a pad like a retard would be better than playing it like a normal person.
This was never said.
>>137896802
nice, but what was your input method?! this is the only way to get the retards to shut up.
>>137896921
likewise!
>>137896802
He is not trolling, just fucking retarded
>>137897053
>This was never said.
>if you are going to try and make pad better like that
>>137897192
>nice, but what was your input method?! this is the only way to get the retards to shut up.
Dpad on a 360 Afterglow. I was actually planning on moving back to keyboard for a while, since I wanted to go back for some hard or lunatic clears in that series that triggers people, and ZUN can't into dpads.
>>137897428
>rest of the sentence
>>137897470
Again, the rest doesn't change anything about what you said.
>you'd just use a keyboard instead.
Doesn't change anything about that you said playing a pad like a retard would be better than playing it like a normal person.
>>137897435
I've heard that ZUN himself plays on one. is that no longer true?
>>137897637
You'd use a keyboard instead because doing that on a pad would be retarded.
You can't read.
>>137897428
>He is not trolling, just fucking retarded
He's either trolling, in which case you're feeding him, or he's retarded in which case you're not going to convince him of anything. Stop posting.
>>137897729
Well then he's gone full shmup because I'll be damned if I can get the dpad to work in the games of his I want to play.
>>137897759
If it would be retarded why do you say you'd make pad better like that?
Also, why is acceptable to play keyboard but not pad like that? It's basically the same.
>>137897985
Because pressing buttons with more than one finger is better, doing it on a little tiny thumb-sized dpad on a controller that doesn't sit flat or stable is a terrible idea.
How stupid can you get? Why am I even still replying to you?
>>137898254
>pressing buttons with more than one finger is better
What does this have to do with it now? We were specifically talking about playing a pad with multiple fingers now...
>doing it on a little tiny thumb-sized dpad on a controller
There are many pads with quite big dpads. Your 3 fingers easily can fit on it.
>doesn't sit flat or stable is a terrible idea
It sits a like a stick. There is absolutely nothing unstable about this.
>>137898710
>X
>what does that have to do with anything? we were talking about X
jesus christ dude
>>137897435
You should go for a clear in UFO, that game triggers even the people who claim to like Touhou.
>>137898807
You really should learn to express yourself. You only write complete nonsense.
>>137899007
I would but it triggers me, too. More interested in LLS and PCB lunatic and SA hard than ever touching UFO again.
>>137899007
>You should go for a clear in UFO, that game triggers even the people who claim to like Touhou.
UFO was hell. That game frustrated me to no end.
>>137899007
>You should go for a clear in UFO
>>137899007
tfw 11 and 12 are my favoirite 2hus
http://store.steampowered.com/app/377870/
DariusBurst CS Sega ships are out!!!
>>137902025
Fuck me, I just spent all my money on Gungeon.
>>137896698
A run from like 2 years ago on the 360 port. I actually think I can beat this on the Steam version soon, I just gotta get more consistent with my route. And stop fucking up at Hades Castle.
>>137897192
i use stick but used pad when i was learning ccwi/getting back into shmups
>>137897192
Stick for arcade, keyboard for touhou/similar doujin stuff
>>137897192
>>137902864
Also I used stick.
Goodnight, /shumpg/, dream of high scores
Don't die on me
Looks like Deathsmiles peaked at 6k Steam sales after all.
>>137905145
We should have autismo control scheme arguments more often, keeps the thread bumped
>>137905145
High scores, a TLB run ,or fucking the girls from the shmup, dream on.
>>137908170
Her normal outfit is cuter.
>>137910264
Yes it is. This is also Windia, apparently.
The DBCS Sega pack is really fucking fun holy shit
Opa Opa 4 dayz
>>137911713
If not for the wings I wouldn't be able to tell, even after being told.
>>137822308
Yo guys, I just got into the genre with Crimzon Clover and REVOLVER360. On the former, I can only last without making a continue until the third stage and for revolver I can't get past the third stage. Any tips for getting better besides you know play more, since that's implicit.
I have to say, I shouldn't have denied this genre, I'm having a blast
>>137913374
You have to find what makes you your best. Some people concentrate, others try to enter a sort of zen state. This is the most general rule.
For specifics: learn when to use bombs. Don't let them sit stockpiled if you need to use them to save your life, that's what they're there for.
Crimzon Clover is a great starting point for the more traditional side of the genre, so good choice.
whens zing zing zip week
>>137913658
I have lots of trouble with stage 2 boss. But I do my best when I concentrate on what's going on, that goes with Revolver too. I think I need to manage my bombs way better. And get a better controller because mine is about to die
>>137913904
after Xevious week
>>137914103
Consider a stick. There was arguing before. Honestly, I use a regular controller depending on the game, but for the most part I use a stick
>>137914239
I never considered using a stick. I'll try mine then and see how does it feel. Thanks dude
Jesus christ i wake up and it's another spectacular shit storm about fucking controllers? Can we please just finally settle on it being personal preference and fuck off with this tiresome never ending solution starved debate?
>>137924975
D-pads have more input lag and are therefore objectively worse than keyboard and stick.
>>137926204
Blahblah whatever cunt. A tool is only as good as its user and in my experience after 4 years of stick i switched to pad and have since destroyed every one of my high scores since which were all already decent. Keyboard might be "objectively" the best in theory but i am total shit at keyboard so in reality for me it's the weakest tool. I don't expect you to grasp this you number fetishist slab counting sperg fuckboi, type of cunt to build a cock from lego.
>>137926690
>Keyboard might be "objectively" the best in theory but i am total shit at keyboard so in reality for me it's the weakest tool.
Keyboard seems to take months to learn in comparison to the other popular options so I think this is why it gets so much hate. That and because it's associated with Touhoufags I imagine.
>>137926690
I'm not talking about specific cases since obviously someone who is used to one controller will play better with that. What I mean is that if the circumstances are the same for all players the ones with better controllers will play better.
>>137927074
>What I mean is that if the circumstances are the same for all players the ones with better controllers will play better.
Fanciful, but impossible, since no two players are the same.
>>137927074
>What I mean is that if the circumstances are the same for all players the ones with better controllers will play better.
Oh so you think entirely in completely fictional theoretical terms and apply them to real life arguments? What a dumb ass, see
>>137927241
>>137926985
It doesn't get any hate from me though I just accept everyone has a tool they prefer. My only gripe with keyboard play is all super plays done with them I can spot a mile off as they are full of janky correctional movement and it just looks visually unappealing but of course it doesn't detract from the achievement of a high score.
>tfw Tyranno-chan will never swallow you whole
>>137911845
Is the DLC worth getting then? I thought it was pretty expensive
>>137924975
I wish
>>137922372
What game is this?
>>137942810
Never thought of this, nice
>>137943692
Make sure your options are exactly like mine or you'll get a rock in the face at some point.
This one is pretty hard to pull off
>>137942810
>>137944480
What's the record for Gradius anyway?
>>137947789
The Japanese players stop counting at 10 million, but you could theoretically loop it forever. When you reach 100 million the score resets back to 0.
I'm curious about the record for a single loop though. I know if you do all the scoring tricks you can get around 500,000 per loop.
>>137948342
I figured as much. Unfortunate, but getting to that point is a feat in itself anyway.
>>137950656
Yeah it takes about 6 hours of playing to get to 10 million. I guess they were limited by how long the arcades are open for.
>>137939016
I'd say it is. They add a ton of stages as well as the ships. The ships also play so differently from the main game
>>137953835
>They add a ton of stages
Didn't know this, thought it was just the ships. I'll definitely get them now
>>137953606
whens the Alltynex week
>>137954393
Hopefully after I'm finished with Kamui so I can spent it working on Alltynex Second.
Does shmupmame have an in-built turbo function?
>>137958654
Yes, press tab and you'll see it
>>137959137
Ah, thanks anon.
Totally not planning on using it, just curious.
Bump
anyone else nab any DariusBurst DLC?
speaking of darius updates, this got updated for controller support, making it an actual good mobile game
Has anyone ever turned off the sound while playing and listening to your own music while playing? Oddly enough it helps me way too well while playing though a game.
>>137968992
Of course. I can't stand listening to a game's soundtrack for several hundred hours or more. Some games you have to keep on the sfx though, since you might need it for timing cues.
>>137969570
True.
>Some games you have to keep on the sfx though, since you might need it for timing cues.
Though the games I've played haven't done that too often.
in Touhou there are sfx for like every bullet that is shot, so they help you navigate a lot. Fortunately you can also disable sfx and music independently
>>137968992
I do that a lot while grinding
>>137968992
I always listen to my own music when I play. I prefer it to hearing game-music.
I'm actually gonna play shmup now, so don't die thread!
>>137972467
Don't forget to postblogabout your progress here!
>>137973082
I haven't played in like a week and now I don't feel like coming back because I know I'll be shit again
>>137973165
Small breaks are good, you're more likely to play worse when you're burned out.
>>137973082
I'm trying to get 800-900 multiplier going into the stage 1 mid-boss in Ketsui, but I'm not able to do it consistently. It's hard earning the necessary extra chips via empty-locking
>>137973930
How the hell do you zako emptylock in Ketsui in the first place? Press full-auto slightly, let go, then lock just at the right time in some rhythm at just the right distance?
>>137973930
>putting animu in my Vic Viper
Disgusting
>>137976551
I dunno, Vic Viper that turns into a huge mecha is pretty cool
>>137973082
Well the shmup I was playing was Deathsmiles, as Casper. I was off to a fine start, I got 32m from the Forest and was at about 97m after the Volcano. Lake Shore was satisfactory, but then the trouble started at Graveyard when I got hit very early into the power up. It must've shaken me up or something because after that I got hit twice on Port Town and twice on Swamp Wastes, and by that point I just quit.
I want to try again soon though, maybe in an hour or so. If I can just get everything to go right, I'm certain I can far surpass 200m without Death Mode, maybe even setting a new PB in general.
>>137968992
only if i odnt like the soundtrack for the game im playing
all manabu namiki OSTs it stays
>>137978906
I always have minimum one mistake in my score runs. Getting hit by a bullet or missing a recharge or bombing in the wrong place because of panic. And I'm still under 200m.
At least today I no-missed Tyrannosatan-chan for the first time.
>>137983763
That's cool. Where did you use your bombs on Tyrannosatan? I usually use one or two on the boxes phase and then the last one I try to save for when he's just a head and spine.
>>137974478
You hit and hold auto C before holding A and continue to hold them together. The timing is different for every enemy and is based on doing C to A+C the right amount of frames before the enemy dies. The empty lock itself also varies on how many chips you get based on how well you get the timing. It makes Ketsui a fucking nightmare game to play for wr i'd imagine.
>>137973082
>blog about your progress here!
No real progress today but a strong one none the less, hit another 2-6 in my current main game strikers 1945 then took a break with a random one off ketsui run and hit a 2-5.
Everytime I die in stage 2 of Futari I hear 'GAH, WHAT THE FUCK' in my head.
I don't want Gus in my head.
>>137987074
Shh, just let it happen. Feel the STG all around you.
Feel visible matter.
Feel invisible matter.
There is STG everywhere.
Find your hitbox, anon. The hitbox of your soul.
>>137987074
Not even gus wants gus in his head.
I still can't even 1-all anything
>>137989424
1-all this
*whips out dick*
>>137978906
I gave it another go and wound up reaching Hades Castle well enough, but totally blew it near the end and actually wound up getting game over at Jitterbug. I think I'll call it a day.
>>137989424
Just keep at it, and don't switch games so much.
>>137998684
how can she be my big sister if im older than her by like 7 years
>>137998684
翻訳しにくいな
>>137998684
Old hag.
FUCK THIS GAME.
>>138000389
You just have to *feel* younger than her. I don't know how it works.
>>138001069
Indeed.
>>138001668
She's younger than you.
>>138002858
That means I'd know more than anyone if she's an old hag, nerd.
It's 2016. Explain why you're still playing Touhou when so many superior options exist on PC.
>>137998684
>you'll never call rosa-chan your onee-san
>>138003261
I don't play Touhou, familia
>>138003196
Hmm, I hadn't thought of it like that.
>>138003443
Well... technically you can. I mean nothing's stopping you, I guess.
MBL 1.1 is really fun, damn.
>>137987074
Go all the way
>>138011273
OTHERWISE DON'T EVEN START
i wonder how gus feels about being a living meme
https://my.mixtape.moe/jepqub.webm
>>138014489
O_O
>>138014489
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/39207-if-you-re-going-to-try-go-all-the-way-otherwise
please buy my shmup its very good please!!!!!!!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/454380
>>138017458
>Early access
I'll think about it senpai
>>138014489
Gus pls, come back.
https://my.mixtape.moe/iuqjas.webm
>>138018962
holy shit
>>138003261
I don't even like Touhou too much. Weird that I say that yet I like DoDonPachi, Mushihimesama, and so forth.
>>138018962
Nice to see your mother scaring the crap out of you for not booking your tutors.
>ケイブ 4/29ケイブ祭り@秋葉原
Wonder if that's where the next port will be announced.
>>138018962
>I'LL DO IT I'LL DO IT
Bubump.
>>138019241
How's that weird? Nobody who plays Cave games likes Touhou that much. Their standards are too high.
>>138022545
I like Touhou to a reasonable extent, I just don't play it anymore.
>>138022798
What he said. Touhou is a fine game. But since I've played these games, I've grown away from Touhou.
>>138022545
>Their standards are too high.
Yea, right there down in the gutter
>>138022798
>>138023351
Same thing here.
Bampity
>tfw the quality of announcers from DonPachi onward has steadily declined
Daily Reminder: The shmup of the future does NOT have power-ups
>>138027194
but anon, DariusBurst Chronicle Saviors exists
>>138003261
some Touhou games are completely unique and I daresay underappreciated.
>launch Raiden IV on steam
>"game.exe has stopped working"
>reinstall
>"game.exe has stopped working"
ok
>>138029332
Yeah, port's a bit special.
>>138029332
that sucks, anon. That's a good game too :(
>>138028395
the only good touhous are the twinkle ripoffs 2bh
if i'm gonna play something like eosd i might as well just play a better shmup instead
also, someone ITT should program a good versus shmup for pc with netplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIl73pGFywI
No missed Strikers 1-6 to 1-8 back to back in practice. If I'd done that last time I played I'd have my casual 1-ALL.
>>138033860
You'll get it before too long mate.
Good night /shmupg/, please don't die while I'm sleeping again.
>>137984815
I spend one bomb on volcano recharge so I had only two for the last fight. Used the first one in the end of boxes phase and the second on the last phase when he positioned his head at the bottom center and fired spread shots.
>>138036015
Then it was a no-death through all of Hades Castle? Pretty sweet. I used to be able to do that, but now I don't think I have yet on the Steam version. Which character, by the way?
>>138033860
Please don't quit when you get the 1-all, at first the loop will just seem utterly ridiculous and such a massive step up which it is but when you start learning it it's alot of fun. To many ppl quit psikyo after 1-all.
>>138018962
I CAN'T TAKE YOU ANYWHERE TODAY.
>>138036707
I need to check the replay but I think it was a no-miss run. Arcade mode, Rosa, two level 2s so no suicide bullets.
>>138038549
I decided to pick it up as a sidegame a few days ago, I figured a 2-ALL would be too much without making it my main game.
But I'll see how I feel later.
I wonder why they stop streaming on ustream
>>138012620
He spent all these years playing Futari, and all he gets is to be known as a living meme instead of a successful superplayer.
>>138041331
He doesn't care about any of that he only cares to push the rock.
>>138039293
Funny because it started out as a sidegame for me aswell when i was playing ketsui and now they have switched roles.
Bombaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
You can get that 1cc anon! Don't give up! You're almost there!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE
>>138048290
Go back to /v/ with your memes
>>138009838
>All dem points
>All dat slowdown
Does Samurai Aces have a 2nd loop? And how many levels does it have?
>Page 9
>>138048962
>Does Samurai Aces have a 2nd loop?
Yep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waorwHTzEmo
>/v/: what is a hardcore game?
>me: shmups are hardcore
>/v/: lolwut, they are the definition of casual. go and play real hardcore games like Dark Souls. anyone can creditfeed through shmups!
I really shouldn't visit this place anymore
>>138051945
So correct him violently and proceed with ridicule.
>>138051945
That doesn't surprise me at all. Casuals can't handle playing for 1ccs, let alone scoring.
>>138052087
I did, but like always on 4chan, he just keeps on twisting things however he wants and keeps disagreeing.
According to /v/s logic RPGs are hardcore games, and arcade games are complete casual games, because arcade games are meant to be playe din small sessions, while RPGs are meant for longer sessions.
>>138052227
>because arcade games are meant to be playe din small sessions
haha, even that isn't true. Everybody knows that you have to go all the way with arcade games.
>>138052227
People nowadays seem to confuse difficulty with time spent playing. A game being short or long says nothing about said game's difficult.
>>138052138
Modern "gamers" have this weird attitude that games should be completable on first play through and if anything requires to be memorized ie learnt then it is "artificial" difficulty and cheap. A generation so literally retarded they don't even know what learning entails anymore. I wonder if they'd call learning an instrument in the same vein.
>>138052227
They can't dispute facts and the fact is Rpgs are just time eaters nothing more and your skill level within them will peak quickly whilst ANY shmup to attain a decent score will take years of structured practice and hard work at a much more draining intense demanding pace on the player. The reason rpgs can be played all day is precisely because they are not taxing on the individual and therefore by definition are casual whilst a 3-4 hr grinding session for score will demand so much more concentration, frustration and will power. So correct him on his silly simplified definition of hardcore which apparently in his mind equates to "time spent = hardcore". Getting a WR in a 20/30 min shmup will potentially take you years if even possible within your maximum skill level potential.
>>138052369
Well, according to /v/ they are casual, because most people who played them in arcades obviously just played them casually, and only a very small amount actually tries to go for 1ccs.
For them credit feeding through a shmup means that you finished it basically.
>>138051945
>>138052227
Thread?
>>138052503
>which apparently in his mind equates to "time spent = hardcore"
Yes, that's how they seem to think. They acknowledges that shmups can be very difficult, but still think they are casual, because you can easily play them quickly in short sessions
>>138052727
>acknowledges that shmups can be very difficult
>but still think they are casual
What kind of fucked up logic am I reading??
>>138052727
Honestly though wasting your time in this discussions is pointless and i'd recommend against I mean adults arguing over who's game is most hardcore is just beta and childish. Spend your time on these games and ignore their ignorance.
>>138052727
The funny thing is that /v/ is filled with shitty players. I just can't take anything they say seriously if they're not as "skilled" as they pretend they are.
They need to learn to post their scores first!
>>138054183
That picture bothers me way too much than it should. It should be "your" not "you're".
>>138041331
he's not a superplayer though
>>138055521
However in general, and I hope I'm speaking to the same anon, you do have a point. I want to see their scores in a particular game if they are as skilled as they claim to be. Or else I will be calling them out.
>>138055521
blue revolver w h e n
>>138055913
I mean, no, he isn't. That's the tragedy of Gus.
>>138056807
In a couple ofnevers.
>>138056575
Yes, I am that same anon. Calling people out is the easiest way to prove they have no idea what they're talking about.
Also, "you're scores" is written on purpose.
>>138058018
;_;
>>138061395
>>138055913
but he counterstopped futari ultra
>>138061471
And it is pretty funny seeing them panic when they realized they've been caught.
>Also, "you're scores" is written on purpose.
I know, but since I inherited a bit of OCD from my mother it drove me crazy for a bit.
>tfw easy is just right
It will be a while before this game stops kicking my ass.
>>138062080
He didn't clear though, I mean he himself doesn't think he's a superplayer he is however an extremely good and determined player that defies alot of odds and misconceptions, like using a stock 360 pad for instance.
>>138063778
didn't he get a counterstop clear later?
>>138064225
he did
>>138064225
>>138064292
No he didn't afaik he went back and got a clear but it wasn't a counterstop.
>>138062080
japs did that shit in no time
>>138064613
Yes well "japs" had it in arcades from day 1 and have an actual real life scene of players who give each other tips and advice. The west had to wait for a port or buy the pcb and we all kn ow most of the collectors who can afford pcbs don't play for shit.
>>138052558
Speaking of credit feeding there are some shmups you can't credit feed it no matter how many you try, like old shmups with save point system.
WHERE'S MY SLOWDOWN FIX CAVE
>>138066023
cave died years ago, they're full of newbs now that just want to shit out quick x360 ports and cash in on PC
you'll take your busted ass games and like it
>>138066023
If Cave bothered to design games properly like they used to they shouldn't even need slowdown in the first place.
>>138066173
>they're full of newbs now that just want to shit out quick x360 ports and cash in on PC
Won't see me crying over that one, I'l take a pc futari port quite gladly thank you.
>>138065879
I know, and I wished mre shmups would do this.
I bet even in this thread a lot of people only play this genre because they can casually credit feed through games.
>>138066267
>like they used to
Even Dangun Feveron had horrible bugs like invincibility on the TLB.
>>138066547
Oh, haha, I bet they also think that 1cc's make hardcore.
>>138066715
I don't care if they make hardcore, but if not 1ccs make hardcore then what else does?
>>138066814
Well, why do you think the "post your scores" meme is prevalent? Though in relation to that, you can always expect higher-ranking players to dismiss your efforts as "casual scoring".
>>138066814
WR anything else is pathetic
>>138067082
Don't forget that the WR has to be optimised or near-optimised otherwise it doesn't count either.
>>138067034
You can also get WRs in other genres by speedrunning them. Does that mean that basically every game is a hardcore game?
I think not. I think what really defines a hardcore game is how difficult it is to play through it, not what kind of self-imposed goals you set yourself in it.
In the same sense a hardcore player is someone who plays difficult to play through games.
>>138064532
Well actually
>>138067476
Why do they get such weird score numbers in this game? Does the game stop counting your score at that point or what is this? If I wouldn't know better, they would look like hackers to me.
>>138067983
try to think about the meaning of the word "counterstop"
>>138067470
That's one way to look at it, but I posit that, in contrast to exploiting the game for speedruns, the scoring system in shooters, if the game's any good, is planned, often with little tweaks that show deep care put in by the developers, so I don't see it as extraneous to the process of playing the game properly. Still I suppose the distinction is blurred as the scoring tricks in some games are essentially exploitation.
>>138067476
>not even #1
what a fucking casual!
>>138068108
So it really does stop counting score at that point? What kind of shit design is this?
I always thought counterstopping in this game means something like some weird bulletcancel technic or whatever. Like countering an enemy attack or whatever.
>>138068391
yeah it's pretty shitty, which is why some people hope for counterstopless futari ultra on steam (I think you don't reach the counterstop on lower difficulties, not sure though)
>>138068151
Actually I have to correct myself. What really defines a hardcore game is what kind of people the developer of it target with it.
Shmups for example specifically target people who really want to improve in a game, to be able to reach a good score or at least a 1cc. That's they are hardcore to me, because they target people who play for skillfull gameplay.
>>138068723
It's still there but it's only possible to reach it in Ultra. The WR for Maniac is just over a billion, and the WR for Original is just over half that.
I doubt anyone really cares but apparently in the Deathsmiles 360 port, the achievement for getting Sakura's co-op third ending wasn't in the Japanese version, and only added during localization. So that might explain why it's not present in the Steam version.
I read that the counterstop is nowhere near the max possible score you can get in ULTRA
Shit's easy
>>138068821
Okay, I have no problem with that view.
>>138069105
I think chubow (and maybe gus) worked out a 5b route
>>138069105
The theoretical max is about 6 billion iirc, but you'd have to do some crazy shit to get that.
Like milking the st2 boss for all 7 cycles without bombing or dying.
>>138067470
This is dumb as fuck and simplifying for the sake of it though. Some speedruns are genuinely hard as fuck in games that would be easy to play casually just because the player has created his own challenge that doesn't make it less hardcore. You don't call Ketsui casual or non hardcore because you can get a 1-all with relative ease you judge it by it's maximum potential or simply differentiate because we are not autistic robots (ok i know dont say it).
>>138067476
Fair enough, it's a shame that replay didnt get revisited on a STG weekly like they said they would.
>>138070684
This is dumb as fuck and simplifyng for the sake of it.
A Ketsui 1-all is still harder than mind numbingly grinding through Dark Souls or playing through 99% of any other game.
Also I already said that I corrected myself >>138068821
A hardcore player imo, is just someone who shows extraordinary skills in whatever they play. This could be any game, even fucking Pokemon or whatever.
>>138070796
They don't want him back on after all the shit that went down that episode
>>138071187
>grinding in dark souls
>>138071509
It is possible to grind there and most people also do it, which means that the game is not hard to play through. Easier than 1-alling Ketsui, that's for sure.
>>138071187
You just think your subjective opinion is fact though and keep sperging it like a proper cunt. You are forgetting many variables and desu i dont believe a ketsui 1-all is harder than dark souls but it depends on the player and what they are used to etc even still you should consider the maximum potential in said games and not just the default.
>>138067476
This is why you should play God Mode instead.
>>138071648
>i dont believe a ketsui 1-all is harder than dark souls
Are you seriously? Literally any retard can play through souls games. You are fucking immortal, can grind to oblivion, have checkpoints every 20 metres, and the fights become easy as fuck once you memorized the patterns. It takes zero skill to do this. Merely patience.
>>138072150
>easy as fuck once you memorized the patterns
Just like shmups. I'm not him btw
>>138072054
God mode is a nice mode too
>>138072236
They are not easy as fuck at all. I already have 200 hours in Battle Garegga and still get fucking wrecked by Black Heart II.
>inb4 git gud
Fuck off
dont die
>>138072054
tfw no god mode counterstop
>>138062934
congrats!
>>138062934
Cool, another Advanced player.
the ending of deathsmiles makes me cry everytime ;-;
>>138077494
The bath scene sure makes something "cry" alright.
>>138077494
Sakura's leaving ending is pretty shitty for her.
So is Casper's if you interpret it a certain way. Like that her parents were killed by her kidnappers and now she'll be stuck in the real world with no family to go home to. Doesn't even look like their familiars return to the real world with them either, so she's all alone.
How do we introduce shmups to a wider audience?
>>138078429
Health bars instead of lives
>>138078429
A deep plot with convoluted character arcs and twists.
>>138078429
make them easier
>>138078594
Huh. Len'en 4 did this actually. Thing is, there's bullets that still 1-hit kill you due to random generated stages. They also added upgrades for noobs to have fun I guess? The lower your number of upgrades, the better you are. That being said, the game's unfair as it is so...
>>138078706
Something like this could work I think, or at least be made. There could be like a "story mode" with the cutscenes and dialogues and whatnot, and an "arcade mode" for when you just want to play the game, with the story-related scenes removed. Like how RozenkreuzStilette has, though not a shmup. Actually I think Trouble Witches Neo had something like this, too.
>>138078594
Deathsmiles iOS had an RPG-like equipment system with an HP bar instead of lives. You can increase your stats to lower the amount of damage you take from getting hit, and increase the power of your shots. I thought it was kinda interesting, though I'm not big on how almost all the equipment depends on RNG drops.
>>138067476
Why does it stop at 3?
>>138080501
Because CAVE didn't expect anyone to score that high.
>>138080743
Why would they go out of their way to make it stop at 3 though? I can understand the counter stopping when the most significant digit hits 9, but not 3
>>138080914
Because FFFF FFFF
>>138081061
Yeah that makes sense, thanks
If I remember my numbers correctly, that's a little short of an unsigned long integer, so I assume they stopped it so it wouldn't overflow or something. My question is why they stopped it there when other games they made use much bigger values than an unsigned long int can hold.
>>138081415
Yeah an 32 bit unsigned integer can go up to 4294967295
>>138081415
Most of their previous games haven't reached 4 bil. Donpachi counterstopped at 99mil, Dodonpachi 760mil, DOJBL 3.5 bil, Mushi 2.3 bil.
The silly scores into the trillions only came about with DFK.
>>138078429
Better marketing or meme status, just look at Ikaruga
>>138081942
Oh, I got Futari's and DFK's release years mixed up. Makes a lot more sense now.
>>138078429
By making good games? Why do you think Gradius or R-Type were so popular back then? Because they were top notch games for their time.
However, shmups never really can become popular. It's in their nature to be niche because they are not casual.
>>138078429
mix them with acessible genres
more cute anime girls
>>138082018
What does this have to do with marketing? Ikaruga is well known because it is a very good game.
>>138078594
>>138078954
It didn't remove lives though. It just made lives have health, so taking a hit doesn't equal death depending on the shot's strength. It also has regenerating barriers, but they take so freaking long to recharge, you might aswell forget them.
>>138078429
Make them appeal to the lowest common denominator. Turn it into something that the people who actually give a fuck about the genre hate.
>>138081942
Scores in Giga Wing 2 are really high.
>>138083397
Sounds like Touhou am I right?
>>138083397
So you mean the most popular shmups like Gradius, R-Type, or Ikaruga are actually only known because they crap and shmuppers hate them? I think not.
I think a good start to make shmups more popular would be to get a bit away from this otaku pandering for example and go back to common sci-fi shit, because that would speak to more people, I guess.
>>138083657
here is your (You)
>>138083786
Trends come and go, the people who remain today are the ones who really care and aren't just following a trend.
>>138083657
Touhou does well because the games are basically free and have an absurd fan following. The games themselves play well enough for a one-man development team, but it's obviously not why they're popular. The question asked is how to get the games popular; there's a reason that /jp/ would cry secondary about stupid bullshit until it became a secondary haven itself.
I'd bet the real reason shmups aren't popular anymore is because to the layman they're all the same. Someone going full shmup will notice the intricacies between Futari and Garegga and Gunbird 2 but at the casual level the only thing differentiating them is music and graphics. Also other things, like fighters getting incredibly popular and arcades all but dying (at least in Burgerland).
>>138082739
There are many very good games in the genre, none of them are meme status like Ikaruga is. Plus it's not like the quality even matters, most of the game's "fans" barely even play it.
>>138084373
I a lot of people who play shmups today are also only in it for the otaku stuff. Basically the same like back then probably a lot of people were also just in it because Sci-fi was popular and they got a HR Giger boner from R-Type.
>>138084385
Have you ever even met any of its fans? Most Ikaruga fans are Japanese anyway, so I doubt you have any idea if they actually play it or not.
And no matter if you like it or not, Ikaruga is not a just another good shmup. It may not be your taste, but the game has extraordinary high quality in everything. Similar to why Mushihimesama is popular, because it is of high quality. Not everyone finds otaku anime stuff interesting though, that's probably why it is not as popular as Ikaruga or Gradius.
>page 9 in 15 minutes
>>138086596
/vg/ is nuts these days, dude.
>>138085093
>It may not be your taste
It's not any actual players taste because aside from production values it's a shit game when you actually play it. Heres what the top chinese player says about it from skykids eurogamer article on the chinese scene....
>>138072543
>I already have 200 hours in Battle Garegga and still get fucking wrecked by Black Heart II.
That's because BH2 has a lot of rng involved and various overlapping pattern combinations.
>>138088146
Oh wow, a single Cave fan hates on Ikaruga. Big surprise!
This article doesn't prove anything.
>There is not a lot of actual shooting going
Ironically Ikaruga is the STG which requires the most precise shooting skills in the whole genre if played on a high level. The person who said this has no idea what he is talking about. Ikaruga is about shooting like no other STG.
Also
>Eurogamer
>>138088517
Not really. The execution also takes a huge part. BH2 is difficult for a lot of reasons.
>>138088783
Haha look at the ikaruga faggot who can't take it. Listen dickhead no one gives a cows cunt about that abysmally overated meme shit game. You will at best find MAYBE 2 or 3 decent Ikaruga players who don't think it's total shit and why the fuck would eurogamer mean shit when the article was by Skykid and features the chinese players who are all top tier including the striker 45 wr holder WC. The guy who said that would fucking destroy you in every game he plays i guarantee it so off you pop back to farm with your faggy loli/pony avatar to post your obnoxious fanboy defense pieces.
>>138088783
Well it's actually possible to pacifist Ikaruga, unlike CAVE games.
>>138089010
I know because i've done it and the rng plays a part for sure as can be seen in high level plays also. The only difference is top players can utilize those deaths as they would be suiciding anyway for the bomb milk on BH2s frag spam.
>>138089208
I'm not read through this retard gibberish. Keep on hating because noone plays your games, you fucking hipster.
>>138089219
It's also possible to be pacifist in Giga Wings 2 or whatever. Go and look up VTF-INos Giga Wing 2 zero score run. This doesn't say anything about if the game is about shooting or not though. It is just a refreshing different way to play the game.
>>138089494
I know it too, because I also did it. RNG is not everything which can make a game difficult.
BH2 is also difficult simply because his patterns are very hard to dodge. Take the vulcan for example... I know how to dodge this, but it's very difficult to execute, even for high level players. The same also goes for his other patterns where he basically just sprays the whole screen full with bullets.
>>138090064
>Keep on hating because noone plays your games, you fucking hipster.
You daft fuck it's your game nobody fucking plays lmfao. Ikarugas popularity is based solely on a easy to grasp gimmick pushed by the gaming media to tards and hardly anyone actually plays it worth a piss. Might aswell sell that squeaky clean sanwa you pretend to use and go eat your mums tampons instead.
>>138090482
>even for high level players.
Nah, it's only difficult if it spawns whilst you're in an awkward position. If the rngs nice i tend to dodge it altogether and sit above him with the options switched to reverse to kill him.
>>138090862
>Nah
Depends on what you consider a high level player. Of course, if you only consider WR players, then they probably can always dodge it, but even people who get usually 10 mill in this game still can't dodge BH2s vulcan properly.
>>138091053
Yeah that's fair enough.
>>138091817
Also, why don't post your score instead of just acting so tough at the game? Considering how you sound you must be really good at this (if you are not just acting).
>>138092510
Who's acting tough? It was a simple discussion about a game so I have no idea where you get that idea from... Christ you spergs really are ridiculous, drowning in insecurities. You're not that Kraut cunt by any chance are you? the satazius guy? If yes you are one sad human being.
>>138093019
>Who's acting tough?
I was saying that BH2s vulcan is difficult, except you are a WR player perhaps, and you agreed with this and said you find it easy to dodge. If that is not acting tough then I don't know, because you basically said you play on a WR level.
YOU NEED SOME PRACTICE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlPS16NeBO0&nohtml5=False Forever our theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs&nohtml5=False Forever our moto.
FREEDOM
>>138066267
>I'l take a pc futari port quite gladly thank you.
I'll take a SaiDaiOuJou pc port as well. Please! Make it happen!
I want to mod my stick to have a mushi theme
>>138097880
If you do it you should post pics.
>>138097880
Wish there were more (or any) shmup related stick templates desu
>>137822308
get that anime girl away from my manly self-sacrifice shooting games
>>137827502
wow
all these years
and only now do i realize
>>137827502
what game ??
sorry new shmup fag
>>138099368
Strikers 1945
>>138099221
Realized what?
>>138099368
Strikers 1945. You should try it! It's fun, not complex, and it runs well in MAME.
>>138099467
ty famalam
is dodonpachi one of the hardest ?
>>138099535
Have another crab
>>138099757
To score in
Surviving the first loop ain't too hard after you practice the stages
>>138099757
For a 2-all or scoring? Sure, it's pretty rough. For a basic survival 1-all it's pretty great for most skill levels, actually.
is there a complete list of sega saturn shmups
>>138100024
It does give you a lot of bombs. After 2 deaths you get 6 per life, which is kind of ridiculous.
>>138100139
but using bombs just doesnt feel right
>>138100272
Remember to use all your bombs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osf1fa4UhP4
>>138100272
This line of thought is going to bite you in the ass. Use your resources when playing for survival.
>>138088783
the faggot who said that has a way better Ikaruga score than you, guaranteed
>muh cave
>>138100272
getting into shmups one of your biggest problems is going to be your attatchment to bombs
use them the second you find yourself second guessing your movement. its better to use them when you dont need them rather than the other way around
>>138100869
Unless you know for a fact that you'll need them later
>>138100661
And? I also have a way better Ikaruga score than you. Does that make my opinion now more legit than yours? Fucking retard
>>138100808
Raizing superiority amirite
>>138100808
I know, it's like they're popular or something.
>>138101456
Amongst faggots, yes, probably.
>>138093323
Your english must be fully wank if that's what you took from it. I am a WR player and play on a WR level because i know how to do blackheart mk2? The fuck are you on? idiot.
>>138099532
>Realized what?
How the pattern works obviously and i'm not even him.
>>138101395
it means he has a better understanding of the game than you and is therefore in a better position to explain why it's dog shit in comparison to other games
retard
>>138101720
>Amongst faggots
And yet here you are
>>138101406
Nah, I basically play ever game in the genre, just think Cave is hprribly overrated.
>>138099532
>It's fun, not complex
until the loop which actually gets kinda complex in a gotta concentrate on lots at once kinda way.
>>138101839
I also have a better understanding of the game than you and am therefor in a better position to explain why you are full dogshit. Citing some unnknown chinese doesn't help there.
>>138101892
>I basically play ever game in the genre
Jack of all trades, master of none. It's impossible to understand caves qualities when you're a casual.
>>138101750
>I am a WR player and play on a WR level because i know how to do blackheart mk2?
Yes, that's exactly what you said, but are too dumb to realize that you said it.
>>138102308
Lmfao you are dumb as cunt.
>>138102308
I'm glad you dropped your stick vs everything else crusade, but please don't pick this up in its stead.
>>138102229
So you mean one only is allowed to play games from one or two devs or what?
You are full of shit. I don't care what dev the game is from, I play what I like.
>>138102229
Fuck off.
>>138102498
>says the keyboard superiority shitposter
And we come full circle
>>138100615
>screaming the entire length of the video
He didn't deserve a 1cc desu
>>138102540
>I play what I like.
poorly.
>>138102540
>So you mean one only is allowed to play games from one or two devs or what?
Durrrr you won't get anywhere jumping between games constantly, to get good you have to stick to games for a whilst else you are just taking your mediocre skill level to spread amongst many games and never really progressing
.
>>138102229
rekt
>>138100615
Heeeyyyy that's where that scream came from. Jesus Christ, what a faggot.
cave owns bitch
>>138102660
Lmao i love it when you buttercups show that you have real emotional investment in video games, it's comedy levels of tragic and i'm sure a sign that you have nothing else.
>>138103056
>poorly
post scores if you are so much better
>you won't get anywhere jumping between games constantly
who said I jump between games? just because i play every game in the genre doesn't men i constantly jump retard
>>138103406
Misquote or drunk?
>>138103445
>post scores if you are so much better
which game?
>>138103445
>who said I jump between games? just because i play every game in the genre doesn't men i constantly jump retard
Yes it does and you know you do as there isn't enough time to become decent level in every game unless you have been playing for years and are swy tier.
>>138103929
>which game?
i don't care any game... oh wait, i forgot you only play cave, so just forget about it...
>there isn't enough time to become decent level in every game
who said i play every game on a decent level? are you retarded?
>>138104282
>oh wait, i forgot you only play cave
No i don't and i never said i do either.
>>138104282
>are you retarded?
No that's why i don't jump between every game in the genre and spread my plebian skill level over many a cursed scoreboard like a downers poo finger then post my experience starved ignorant opinions on 4 chan.
C A S U A L
A
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This giant derail is a lot more fun to read than the last one desu.
>>138104843
>abloblobloo CASUAL!!!!
So in other words you only play Cave and Touhou and think you are the shit. I like all STGs, and play them all. Most of course only casually, but others also non-casually.
This twisted game needs to be reset
/pissing contest/
Another day of frustrating botched runs. Time to fap. Wait, I've already fapped so much I have prostate pain. Fuck this absurd world.
>>138105219
>>138105219
>Touhou
To far, you cunt, take that back!
>>138105219
>I like all STGs, and play them all. Most of course only casually, but others also non-casually.
This is the best beat around the bush way of saying "i'm a casual" i have ever seen so congrats. I have played shmups from every company also just one at a time until i'm satisfied with it/burnout.
>>138105726
Save yourself for after a successful run, helps from a Pavlovian perspective I'll bet.
>>138105726
You'll get it eventually, gus
>>138105726
Go to sleep, gus.
>>138105726
SHOOT WHAT?
What's the best plane in Strikers 1945?
>>138106717
If you want to do damage, that one.
The pilot is a qt too
>>138106717
Messerschmidt of course.
>>138106717
Either the plane posted in that picture or the one on the far left.
>>138106717
Boyfriend 109
>>138106717
I like spitfire but im sure its shit somehow
>>138114349
Full version fucking WHEN?
>>138106717
I like the mustang.
is there a template for roll images somewhere? i kinda wanna make one for /shmup/
>>137822308
wait how long has this general been up for i have been waiting for this for like ever
>>138116440
General was revived around November 5th. Welcome aboard, post you're scores and bitch about games that are popular!
Are there any developers with competitive scores in their own games?
>>138116621
okI recently beat TH MoF on Hard and Diafukkatsu has shit mechanics compared to the rest of the DDP series
Do I fit in now?
>>138117195
Mechanics aren't the only things shit about DFK, mate. Otherwise I think you'll fit in perfectly.
>>138117379
>>138117195
why does dfk get so much hate anyways
>>138117475
It's a weak entry in a mostly good series, the music isn't as good as earlier entries, game just looks funky, you practically have to do that bullet cancelling trick for the entire game, the slowdown is atrocious even by Cave standards, and my personal beef with it is the stupid anime babe mechs.
>>138117791
MATTE~~~~~~
HYAAAAAAA~~~
DFK Black Label Arrange is pretty good, though, I'll give it that.
>>138117791
Though one good thing that came out of DaiFukkatsu to me, was the remixes to the soundtrack to Ketsui. Particularly No Remorse.
>>138120778
Agreed but them I'm a huge fag for Ketsui.
>DeathsmilesFinalBoss.jpg
I'm sorry /shmupg/, I haven't been practicing my shump as planned anymore since I started playing osrs again ;_;
I know you're not posting and letting the thread drop to page 10 because you're all hard at work practicing. I'm proud of you /shmupg/
workin on a batsugun vanilla clear
>>138125960
Looks kinda like this one.
>>138130004
Buried Baron fucking wrecked whoever took this picture, Jesus Christ.
>>138130082
I went in practice mode just to nab the screenshot. I kept taking hits trying to hit the screenshot key while he was spitting shit at me. I had to discard the first two or three because there were hearts everywhere covering him, but then I stopped being a fucking retard and just bombed, screenshotting while the screen was clear.
>>138130246
turn that fuckign filter off motherf ucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>138129279
Or just jerking off to porn.
>>138088146
>shits on Ikaruga
>praises Cave at the same time
You fucktard do not realize that even Cave themselve already admitted that Ikaruga is genius and way beyond any game they ever made.
>>138132168
Why would anyone shit on Ikaruga? It's a brilliant shooter! Then again it's not for everyone after all.
>>138131779
Yes, taking breaks through your intensive practice sessions is very important!
>>138132734
>Why would anyone shit on Ikaruga?
Because they are edgy hipsters and probably butthurt Cavedrones too
>>138133045
>Cavedrones
I call bullshit on that since I am one and I fucking love Ikaruga.
>>138133224
Then you are not a butthurt cavedrone, but just a cavedrone
Ikaruga has a myriad of flaws I can't understand why people seem to ignore. Scoring system is frankly crap. Granted, it's not as bad as RSG's scoring where you could only kill 1/3rd of the enemy type per section, and at least it doesn't tie into your ship's power like RSG did (though playing Ikaruga for survival is extremely dull). But its chaining means you have to perfectly shoot in the order Treasure wants you to, unless you want to break your chain by shooting whatever you feel like (or the even lamer option of having to let enemies pass you by since you're afraid of getting a chain broken). So prepare to play like a robot if you ever want to score well in Ikaruga, where routes are even more strict and less free than Dodonpachi. It also has the infamy of being called super difficult because the game gives you absolutely no items once, so the only way to get extends is first learning the ins/outs of the game in order to score well. But by that point you should be able to no-miss Ikaruga, so what was the point then? Now the polarity mechanics are awful because swapping color invalidates practically all bullet patterns in the game, since you can just absorb everything in your way rendering whatever looks impossible meaningless. This seems neat at first until it becomes a chore to soak up all bullets on screen to raise your score, after you cope with it making survival play a boring cakewalk. Boss designs are rubbish save for the first and last guys. Mooks have no life to them; most don't even shoot at you and simply drift away. This plus the chaining has it feeling more like playing a puzzle game instead of an actual shump. Not to mention how it's grossly overrated due to its OST and graphics (if you dig sepia tones making backgrounds look like dogshit) by people who hardly even play shumps. Ikaruga is just a terrible game that for some reason has a cult following that loves to bitch at you if you dare to question the quality of their beloved masterpiece.
>>138135948
Nice pasta. Did you come up with this yourself?
>>138130004
>>138130082
>>138130246
There I fixed it. Took this picture off of an actual run and actually trying this time. Still probably going to scrap this run because I fucked up big time on Graveyard and ended up 20-some million points short of what I should've had. Getting kind of tired now though, so I'll probably try again this weekend.Thanks for the motivation to put in some work tonight though. Getting this screenshot. I mean, it was as good an excuse as any for me to try.
>>138130443
And I did.
>furthest I've gone into stage 5 without dying
Progress!
Viper Phase is really difficult...
>>138130004
deathsmiles SUCKS
>>138139046
It's not Caves best but definitely also not their worst. It's fun...
>american hours
>thread dies
Not surprising tbqhwyf
>>138139805
not american hours, yuro insomniac hours
>>138139424
What's their worst?
I say Daifukkatsu
>>138140165
Nah, Akai Katana is pretty boring imo
>>138140165
Hard to choose when there's some prime stinkers like Deathsmiles II, DaiFukkatsu, and Pink Sweets.
>>138140391
Wasn't the problem with PS just the bullshit rank?
Do you generally play better in Tate mode or can you just as well play in normal(?) mode?
>>138141291
I play yoko on LCD with the screen right in front of my face.
>>138141534
>with the screen right in front of my face
Yea that's basicall yhow I play too. I often wish I could play in tate but I'm afraid my laptop would die.
If I ever get to play on an actual cab I'm going to have to get used to the massive screen
>game uses only a single button
>>138143237
>game has a pause button that's bound to an unusual button
>no way to rebind it
Even worse:
>you start pushing that button to pause in other games
>>138143410
Funfact: If you have rapid-fire support, you can put the pause button on rapid-fire and basically play in slow motion like this.
>>138141534
>>138142617
Same, though the screen is not too close to my face. I can orient it vertically, which i like, but I usually don't since I've been playing Touhou these days and tate is not supported.
>>138143785
>tate is not supported
Shame on you ZUN!
>>138143898
Gotta make room for those gigantic borders somehow
Do you need more of a reason to dislike Ikaruga than the bullet absorption gimmick, the garbage 3x chaining system, the painfully mindless bullet patterns, and level structuring so insipid that it would make R-Type blush? Like I would rather there be no static level designs at all if it meant I didn't have to weave through and blow up slow, ugly boxes. Once you get past the pretentious overtones you have a boring, poorly designed STG.
>>138144823
Here is your (You)
If you don't like Ikaruga, you don't have to play it.
>>138145026
Thising this desu
>>138140516
Unfortunately that problem is so bad that it makes it one of Cave's worst shmups. Also I think it's legitimately impossible to do a no miss run of the game.
If Ikaruga is the Kanye West amongst shmups, Gradius is the Tupac, and R-Type is the Notorious BIG, who is the 50 Cent amongst shmups?
>>138143410
i swear to god after playing kamui i tried doing that in another game and got bomb
this has happened at least 3 times
>>138145317
>I think it's legitimately impossible to do a no miss run of the game.
Isn't that the case for most Cave games?
>>138145407
Who?
>>138145026
I never see Ikaruga fanboys even talking about their shmup, they just crop up whenever someone says something negative about it to bitch at you and then call you a cavedrone.
If there's one thing worse than Ikaruga, it's its poseur fanbase.
>>138145317
that sounds like YGW to me and he directed that game so
yeah sounds about right
>>138146028
iirc there's literally no way to lower the rank in pink sweets, not even by suiciding.
>>138146028
why does yagawa love making you kill yourself in his shmups
>>138146150
That's why I'll stick to Ibara thank you very much.
>>138146150
are you serious
thats fucking ridiculous
>>138145987
Gotta ignore them then.
Actually I think "Cavedrone" is kind of apt, you as a player are like the working bee in service to the Colonel.
>>138146550
My favorite rank system is in Gradius V.
Every upgrade adds some rank, and there's no way to lower it, and since it's an infinite looper, shit will get real crazy. And whenever you die and get the same upgrades again, that also adds more rank to the overall rank.
>>138146550
On paper it sounds like a pretty cool take on the YGW rank system. You can't reverse the rank, all you can do is slow it down by playing in a certain way. I haven't played much PS so I don't know if it works out as well as that in practice, but I'm guessing not.
>>138143410
>pressing ESC in RefleX exits the game
>>138146775
The best rank system is in the European version of Battle Garegga.
Almost everything you do adds to the rank, and there is a way to lower it (by suiciding), but the game doesn't give you any extends, except for 1 (so 3 in total), which means the game is basically not beatable except perhaps you are a god at it.
>>138147171
credit feeding gaijin do not need extend
>>138147171
not even the WR players for garegga try to no miss it
>>138147309
Honestly, I personally even find this version better. The suiciding is really the thing which annoys me the most about Garegga.
>>138147318
Of course they don't, because they don't have to, they have to play for score, but idk... if one really practices this, it might be possible with 3 extends?
Elder God Tier:
Ibara
High Tier:
Armed Police Batrider
Battle Garegga
Mid Tier:
Battle Bakraid
Low Tier:
Muchi Muchi Pork
Pink Sweets
Flicker Tier:
Recca
>>138147454
is recca really that bad, i havent played it
also swap garegga and ibara and thats my list
>>138147454
I'd switch Garegga and Ibara also. Normally I like grazing, but it really doesn't mesh well with the YGW formula.
>>138147454
Garegga was so fucking good... Why are his other games not nearly as good? It's sad...
>>138147454
I say both Battle Garegga and Ibara are god tier games.
>>138147454
Best one is Sorcer Striker.
>>138100615
>not using focus movement
What the fuck
>>138148462
It's a no focus run fampai
Does Salamander 2 have infnite loops or only 2 loops?
I kinda want to get into it, but I'm still a bit afraid.
>>138149109
Noone her with Salamder experience? I think the game is really one of the best Gradius games. It's just a bit short and the weapon upgrade system is not as cool as in the others.
>>138149109
>>138149393
I can only find information on a second loop, senpai.
Also, 5 minutes really isn't much time at all for this general.
>>138149393
I played Salamander 1. It has a lot more 'fuck you' moments than Gradius, there are a lot of traps you have to know are coming to survive. I've never been much of a trap fan.
>>138149612
>Salamander 1
Where did you play this? I once tried to install it for mame, but it didn't work somehow.
>>138149807
Works fine in shmupmame
>>138074910
Guess again!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKOj_0nSJ7k
Holy shit, I always wanted to play this! How come I haven't seen this here yet?
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=660224194
>>138150782
Oh wow.
>>138150782
Looks gay as heck.
Is Battle Traverse on steam yet?
>>138151207
Are you gay? The game is even better than Parodius.
>>138148427
I don't think he worked on that one, fampie.
>>138149109
>Does Salamander 2 have infnite loops or only 2 loops?
2 Loops, the loop is brutal especially 2-5. Great game btw far better than the original and probably the most underated game in the Gradius franchise.
>>138112089
>I like spitfire but im sure its shit somehow
It's actually pretty good and very powerful at close range but in the loop it's difficult because getting close to anything is a really high risk thing to do.
>>138106717
>What's the best plane in Strikers 1945?
Bf-109 if you want the non cheese clear and the 2nd from left if you want the cheese it shield clear which i don't really care for. The far left is a close second to Bf-109 and a fun plane to play, heres a 2-all with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mk2cn7fn5E
>>138153093
>2nd from left if you want the cheese it shield clear
The shield takes a shitton of time to charge and does barely any damage. I wouldn't call this cheese.
>>138132168
>taking the opinion of developers over top tier players
It's gash m8 get over it.
>>138132734
>Why would anyone shit on Ikaruga?
Because unilke it's fans we actually played it.
>>138147454
I'd swap mid with low and then that's a spot on list for me.
>>138153262
wwell yeah but it does have cheese moments if you have a plan, i dunno i'm not fan of it personally the same with yuan nang or whatever shes called in gunbird 1 having that bullet cancelling sword.
>>138153372
>taking the opinion of developers over top tier players
The opinion of top tier players isn't much different
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/45billing/ikaruga.html
>>138154424
Yeah because an official dvd will be filled with completely honest objective views that aren't just there as promotional materials, fyi they still never talk about whether they think the game is good only how they approached and played it with some stuff about good runs which is applicable to all shmups, good going champ.
>>138154724
>they still never talk about whether they think the game is good
>But then after I was discharged I went the arcade, and Yusemi’s Chapter 4 pattern had evolved and it was just unbelievable
Of course they don't...
Also the opinion of some chinese Daioujou fan is also pretty biased since Ikaruga came out at the same time as Daioujou and completely wrecked it.
>>138155015
>Also the opinion of some chinese Daioujou fan is also pretty biased since Ikaruga came out at the same time as Daioujou and completely wrecked it.
A top chinese player who has no reason for bias whatsoever who plays both and draws a personal conclusion one that is btw mirrored by many decent players is biased? And are you really going down the sales figures = best game route? What a joke. Ikarugas marketing was genius at suckering in the ign tier fuck tards like you that's for sure.
>>138155015
Also can you name me top players who are still even bothering with ikaruga? Daioujou is still being pushed and played alot and will be for many years whilst Ikaruga will continue to just be a meme game that's dried up and left on the shelf.
>>138155015
>Ikaruga better than DoJ
How many layers of irony are you on?
>>138155198
>A top chinese player who has no reason for bias whatsoever
Everyone has their own tastes, and if you just prefer Daioujou over Ikaruga for whatever retarded reason, then chances are high you have a problem with Ikaruga, because they got released at the same time and Ikaruga was much more successful.
>can you name me top players
I am sorry I do not follow the personal lives of top players and have no idea what they are doing privately.
>>138156362
>you have a problem with Ikaruga, because they got released at the same time and Ikaruga was much more successful.
Yes the problem is it's shit and I already called you out on the retarded sales=better game nonsense, that has way more to do with marketing than actual game and as so few people actually still play it at either casual or high level unlike DOJ we can see how that speaks volumes.
>>138156362
>I am sorry I do not follow the personal lives of top players and have no idea what they are doing privately.
Good sidestep almost hilary tier.
This case is closed.
>>138156362
are you the same guy that used to get super butthurt at /vr/ because people didn't like ikaruga
>>138156639
No i'm the guy that calls out Ikaruga fanboys on their religious tier following of the game and exposes them for the plebian non players that they are.
>>138156625
>I already called you out on the retarded sales=better game nonsense
Where did I ever say anything about sales = better game? Can you even read?
>that has way more to do with marketing than actual game
Yes, of course, just like the success of Gradius is also just marketing. You are full of shit and just a butthurt hipster.
>so few people actually still play
The shmup scene is fucking dead anyway, you fucktard. It's just a zombified genre full of waifu drooling retards and hipsters.
>>138156639
No, but I bet you are one of the many here who get super butthurt if people like Ikaruga
>>138157317
>Where did I ever say anything about sales = better game? Can you even read?
This is precisely what you said so maybe it's you who needs to learn to read.
>because they got released at the same time and Ikaruga was much more successful.
>>138157317
>You are full of shit and just a butthurt hipster.
You like ikaruga and think it's great despite being shit at it and buying into ign reviewer tier praise of the game and I'M the hipster? ok.
>>138157317
>It's just a zombified genre full of waifu drooling retards and hipsters.
>hipsters
Jesus do you know any other words or are you only capable of thinking entirely in meme speak?
>>138157628
>they got released at the same time and Ikaruga was much more successful
Yes, and where did I ever say being more successful makes it better? Learn to read.
>despite being shit at it
How do you fucktard wanna know how good I am at this game?
>Jesus do you know any other words or are you only capable of thinking entirely in meme speak?
I'm just telling you how it is. I am not here to entertain people, just to say what I think, and "hipster" fits many people in this genre quite well.
>>138157823
Says I need to....
>Learn to read.
Writes a sentence like this....
>>138157823
>How do you fucktard wanna know how good I am at this game?
>>138157823
>I'm just telling you how it is.
That's my job, Ikaruga is shit and are you the kraut cunt again?
>>138157823
>I am not here to entertain people
Well thanks for clarifying that but alas you prove yourself quite the entertainer by being such a fucking joke.
>>138157823
>just to say what I think
Another fantastic master of obvious clarification in a message board that caters specifically to peoples opinions.
>>138157823
>and "hipster" fits many people in this genre quite well.
Nope you just lazily wheel that bullshit out and make it fit your narrative when you lose an argument.
>>138158187
Learn at least to quote properly before replying.
>See this general and open because I want to talk about Ikaruga
>ctrl+f
Oh ok, I'll come back later unless anyone wants to talk about Chapter 4 strategies.
>>138158324
More side stepping, the quotes were direct now stop squirming you fucking loser.
Prometheus, our western Dodonpachi superplayer, admires Ikaruga, but he hasn't actually specialised in it.
>>138160538
>Prometheus, our western Dodonpachi superplayer
He is not a superplayer lmao and did you not see him on farm recently revealing his sperg power level using "scrub" and condescending smiley faces as insults? Shit's fucking embarrassing from grown adults. I lost all respect for him at that point.
>>138160538
And for the record i rate BOS as a better french player than prom and he's a handsome normal guy who isn't a childish sperg.
>>138160782
Sounds like he'd fit right in over here.
Waiting for the Matmouse stream
help
~Bomber!
I lost my shmup webm folder yesterday
>>138143237
>He doesn't like Mars Matrix
>>138146986
>mfw the smooth movement of Reflex
>>138166941
THIS IS WHY YOU BACK THINGS UP
>>138168242
I forgot to add it to my back-up because I saved it in an unusual spot ;_;
>>138168720
How did you lose them?
>>138168802
It was seriously just gone when I checked it! Not even Recuva can find a trace off the files or folder
>>138169116
So it wasn't a hard drive crash or anything? That's strange. Have you checked the recycle bin? (Assuming you use WIndows)
>>138169408
I did, nothing was in there either.
It's a damn shame because I made a lot of webms over the past 6 months. I hope somebody saved them at least
The Steam Cave ports are never getting fixed, are they
>>138172720
no, time to buy a jap 360
>>138145407
Darius
>>138147454
I'd bump mmp to mid tbĥ
>>138172720
What's wrong with them?
>>138179426
Not enough slowdown. Also Mushi crashes when you use Friends filter in Leaderboards.
>ever expecting neo-cave to deliver
lol
>>138181714
lol never change shmup guys
air gallet blows your socks off
>>138158427
Go right ahead. It'll be kinda like talking about Cave in /stg/: talk around the people flinging shit at you.
I personally don't really dig the game until the 4th stage tho.
Anyone still playing DBCS? Great Thing is pretty tough
So do you get a different boss on stage 4 of Samurai Aces if you haven't died?
>>138183890
That game is still my jam
>>138183890
I play it when I'm burned out on other games. Mostly because I like the arcade mode more than the mission mode.
>>138186123
Actually it seems to be random
>>138190074
iirc there was someone on the farm saying it changed based on your screen position
It's not time to die yet, /shmupg/.
>>138193341
It's very soon though.
>>138188004
epic
>>138188004
fug
>>138188004
Shoot down the red UFOs, it cancels bullets and destroys any invaders that get caught in the explosion. Or cheese it by not shooting at all if you're not playing for survival to make the enemies shoot way less bullets and just use the shield for extra safety.
>>138196245
>red UFOs
I'm having flashbacks again.
Accidently saved a score where I'd been using save states with Hiscore.dat, is there a way i can get rid of it?
>>138199924
Delet hiscore.dat. You don't need it anyway. It's annoying especially also because it saves scores when watching replays.
>>138202485
Like a record baby
RL getting in the way of practice in such a way that I end up half-assing both. I feel the approaching disaster.
Should be getting the Samurai Aces 1-ALL soon, I'm reaching stage 6 pretty consistently
>>138203129
book those tutors gus!
>>138203129
Yeah, I find myself thinking about my classes when I'm playing and my games when I'm studying. Annoying desu, maybe I should buy some adderall.
More spinning
>>138205241
keyboards can't make circle movements :^)
>I'm never going to be a genius that can make a game like Ikaruga
- IKD
>>138157542
why would I get butthurt at people having bad taste? it's nothing new around here, i mean look at all the 2huposters
>>138205729
Let's not start this again.
>>138205952
>bad taste
>says the waifu drooling otaku
>>138158427
>Chapter 4 strategies.
I'll never get why people find that satellite hard. You just stream right and left accordingly while flipping your polarity through the swirls. The rest of the stage is even easier. Boss is pretty shit tho.
Not everything can be a masterpiece like zing zing zip
>>138205241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5F1hmddVA
This one is great
>>138206494
Try actually playing for score next time. Stage 4 is the hardest stage to score decently in.
Also, any decent player knows Ikaruga is not that hard to play for survival. At least not in normal mode. But Cave games are also not that hard in normal modes.
>>138206672
>dodging the reds from the side
oof
>>138206237
Ikaruga has waifus too, kraut-kun.
Now post your Ikaruga scores or fuck off back to playing your gradius clones.
>>138203494
It's not really fun being compared to him in this regard, no offense to Gus. But i think I'll do what he didn't: give priority to my own well-being, instead of going ALL THE WAY into the living hell of my own creation. I respect his score though.
>>138206838
Hopefully you die of a heartattack from all your hatred of Cave so your shitposting will disappear from these threads.
>>138205915
that's just classic honorable japanese samurai humility. everyone knows that all of his games are 100x better than ikaruga
>>138206838
>playing Ikaruga for score
Why would you do that? The game is not worth learning to score in, since it has shit game design and a shit scoring system.
>>138206513
word
post your ikaruga scores
you will earn the right to represent the fans of ikaruga once you post 'em, but not before.
BTW thread hit the bump limit and is about to die.
New thread when?
Ikaruga is Schrodinger's Shmup: it is both the best and the worst at the same time.
>>138207848
Either let it fie or make the next thread Ikaruga flamewar edition.
>>138207917
LATER?
>>138208007
plz no
>hardest looking pattern in the game
>you don't have to do anything during it
ayyyy lmao
I was looking at Muchi Muchi Pork stuff on youtube and now all the recommended vids are cooking related
>>138208129
Just accept it anon, there is no stopping it.
>>138206975
Just because there is a female in the story (which you hardly even see in the game) doesn't mean it's waifushit.
My Ikaruga score could be better, but I don't want to focus too much on only a single game. I'm still a beginner. It's over 25 mill atm though.
>>138207121
I don't hate Cave, in contrary, I even would say they are arguably the overall best shmup developers, but I really dislike many of their fans.
>>138208339
>Just because there is a female in the story (which you hardly even see in the game) doesn't mean it's waifushit
No, you underestimate humankind's love of F**kin'.
>>138208525
that's okay, everyone dislikes Ikaruga fans too :^)
>>138208339
>Just because there is a female in the story (which you hardly even see in the game) doesn't mean it's waifushit.
(You) can ignore the females in Cave games as well, they don't have an effect on gameplay.
Why aren't you scoring on Hard since you act like normal is too easy like Cave games ITT?
>>138209003
>(You) can ignore the females in Cave games as well, they don't have an effect on gameplay.
Just because they don't have an effect on gameplay doesn't mean they are not all over.
>Why aren't you scoring on Hard since you act like normal is too easy like Cave games ITT?
Because playing for score is totally different than playing for survival?
I'M GAY
>>138209301
That's very nice dear, but are there stairs in your house?
>>138209301
me too, so I see shmup girls not as waifus but rather outside of their sexual appeal. Some are good
Don't forget to include this game in the next edition:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=660224194
>>138209849
Or the Mecha Ritz greenlight page, either.
>>138209301
there should be more shmup husbandos desu
>>138209301
WHAT GAME DO I PLAY?
>>138209952
Isnt Cho Aniki enough.
>>138209948
Mecha Ritz was already in this one.
>>138208132
>playing shmups for survival
>>138210024
play 2hu
>>138210140
>playing shmups
>>138209239
>Just because they don't have an effect on gameplay doesn't mean they are not all over.
That's not true for a majority of Cave games. Also, nice moving the goalpost when someone posted an Ikaruga waifu.
>Because playing for score is totally different than playing for survival?
Not really. Even survivalfags do a bit of chaining when they play. Ikaruga was designed around its contrived scoring system, all the way down to its robotic and monotonous enemies.
>>138210569
>Not really
You have no idea what you are talking about. Try actually playing the game first you spout nonsense.
ikaruga is shit lol
I thought Ikaruga was okay
Ikaruga is a video game
>>138210825
>You have no idea what you are talking about. Try actually playing the game first you spout nonsense.
I have played it before and gotten an 8-digit 1cc, the game is trash. You only like it because you can't handle a real man's STG like Dodonpatch.
Ikaruga is a good game but I don't see why people wank over it so much
>>138210280
>playing
>>138211301
The only times I see Ikaruga mentioned is on shmup threads were its bashed pretty hard.
>>138211095
>ikaruga is shit lol
this.
>>138211290
>8-digit 1cc
So basically just a 1cc? Congrats! Scoring technics in Ikaruga can get pretty damn complicated. 10 mill is only scratching the surface.
rup in buzz, /shmupg/
>>138211331
>sol-fa-soft
>>138211656
RIP /shmupg/, he never scored
Silpheed is better than Ikaruga.
>no waifus
>no shitty gimmicks
>more customizable ship
>more flexible scoring
>better enemy designs
>better bullet patterns
>>138211642
There is nothing technical about Ikaruga scoring, especially since nothing in the game presents a remote challenge.
Hell, even Crimzon Clover is more fun to score in than Ikaruga.
New bread when?
>>138212591
Never hopefully
>>138212591
INSERT COIN
>>138212698
PRESS P1 START
>>138212275
>There is nothing technical about Ikaruga scoring, especially since nothing in the game presents a remote challenge.
Oh really? Please show me then how you can score the part in the webm please!
I will be waiting here until next christmas when you'll finally have it down.
>>138212881
Dude, don't you get it? What you're showing me is like playing a puzzle game. Those ships aren't even trying to attack you. Ikaruga is a literal snoozefest. I want to play a real shmup instead.
my frothing demand for a new thread increases xDDDD
