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first for touhou
second for Cho Ren Sha 68K
>>137704718
third for the second stage boss and stage 3 bosses are harder than stage 4 and 5 bosses
4th for giant crab bosses
5th for reset hell in stage 1
>>137705304
>Stage 2 boss
>harder than anything
Unless you let him get out those drones then yeah, I agree with you. But normally the only thing you have to watch out for is those blue lines during the first phase.
Stage 3 boss is a cunt though. Those random bullets on the first phase get me from time to time. And those lasers during the second phase can be hard to predict sometimes. Best advice I can give you is that those giant bullets the boss spews out after it unfolds are always static. The safe spots are pretty generous when you learn them.
/m/ bosses are great.
>>137705881
8th for reset hell in stage 3 and 4
9th for random popcorn waves
10th for DID YOU CALL ABOUT YOUR TUTORING!?
>>137708408
11th for liking Touhou hentai
12th for Gunbird 2 currently on matmouse stream.
Finally starting to get to the last level of Mushihimesama Original. Think the 1CC is in sight.
>>137710751
It's a wonderful stage, isn't it
DODONPACHI MOTHERFUCKERS
Hydorah is beauty.
>>137709161
17th forALL THE WAY.
ALL THE WAAAAAAAAAAY
>>137712692
18th for YOU UP FOR THE COOLEST SHIT OF YO LIFE.
So, how's everyone's progress? I've finally started making headway in Raiden.
>>137716862
I've been playing Strikers 1945 for the last few days so I haven't made any progress in my main game. I'll probably go back and have somehow improved.
>>137717052
What's your main game?
>>137716862
I managed to get one of my major goals recently. Now I'm enjoying that small period of tranquility between having achieved something and going for another large achievement.
>>137716862
I havent even decided on what smup to focus on, so pretty abysmal.
>>137719895
What all do you have?
>>137704017
Tfw cant unhear help me eirin from kaguyas theme
>>137722674
I like Psikyo last bosses.
>>137722674
Why is the last boss of Strikers 1945 a giant space crab.
>>137726304
birb
>>137720940
Say again anon?
>>137727197
Games. What games do you have, and what of those have you tried.
If you die in Gradius is it best to just start again from Stage 1?
>>137727317
Well I have that shmupmame pack from the OP and most of the notable shmups from steam.
As of late I tried Gradius, R-Type, Battle Garegga and Strikers 1945.
I'm thinking of mostly sticking with Strikers, I'm not used to horis at all and Garegga's ranking is alien to me.
>>137727745
No, in Gradius 1 it's always possible to recover after dying. In later stages you need to have a pretty good plan in order to do it though.
>>137727784
Try out Darius Gaiden or 19XX. Neither of them are too tough. Darius Gaiden is one of the games that got me into the genre.
>>137727994
Yeah I'm sure it's possible, but crusing through everything with 4 options + laser is so much easier
>>137728037
>Darius Gaiden
Hey there's a good idea. I remember playing a bit of that and loving it. Only got to that Angler shit on the easy route though, those rings of bullets and lasers were crazy.
>>137728228
Recovering is actually really fun in Gradius
>>137729295
What version of Gradius is this? Mine has a bunch of red popcorn with power-ups that pop up whenever you respawn.
>>137729295
This is the part I was just doing funnily enough
>>137729472
That's the US version, localized as Nemesis.
I'd recommend getting the Japanese version, the rank in Nemesis gets pretty dumb.
>>137729295
Ok, now show me how you recover in the last stage please.
>>137729472
This means you probably play Nemesis.
>>137729916
I'll try, but those are some of the hardest recoveries and I'm pretty rusty. I'll see what I can do.
>>137729654
>>137729916
Yeah it is called Nemesis. I thought it was just a name change, but if it means the rank is a bit less retarded then I am all for it.
>>137730034
I don't think recovering in the last stage is actually possible. At least not in the beginning when you enter the mothership.
I'm still waiting to hear good news about Blue Revolver;_;
>>137730317
Here's the first one, luckily I made it to the next checkpoint before dying.
The next checkpoint is definitely the hardest recovery in loop 1, it took a lot of tries.
>>137732662
Yea, the next checkpoint is exactly where I always die and can't recover anymore.
Here's the second, the hardest part to get through.
I die at the end, but once you make it to the 4 hatches, you hit another checkpoint and going from there to the end is much easier.
>>137732998
Nicely done. This probably could help me to finally get through that part myself.
>>137733535
Do you play with auto? It probably makes the recoveries more manageable than trying to kill everything by tapping
>>137733824
Yes, I always play with auto-fire, if needed.
>>137727784
strikers is a great game and definitely worth sticking with.
How are STGs played?
>>137735630
By going ALL THE WAY
>>137735630
>tap movements and memorizing safespots
>bombing when you get stuck in a pattern
>cheating by enabling 30-hertz rapid fire
>credit-feeding, 1cc's are for tryhards
>farming lucrative parts for points
>drinking alcohol while playing
>>137735630
Shoot things.
Don't get hit.
>>137732998
I think my version of the game is harder. Is this perhaps the Gradius Nemesis version?
When I tried to recover there, the enemies where constantly aiming at me
>>137740676
Either that or you have the difficulty dipswitch set higher than default.
Nemesis's rank is just a more extreme version of Gradius' rank. When the rank is low the bullets are almost comically slow, when the rank starts to get high it's like the whole game is on crack.
>>137740867
I was not talking about my game, but about your game. And I also wasn't talking about nemesis, but Gradius Nemesis (there is also an other Nemesis).
However, no matter what I do, I just can't recover in this part. And it's always exactly where I die in this game.
>>137742763
I'm playing 'Japan, ROM version', all default settings
There's another version of Nemesis, called nemesisuk in MAME. It doesn't have the changes and is just a nameswap as far as I can tell.
Option is also called Multiple on the powerup bar.
>>137743140
Do you recommend going through the last stage with laser or with double?
I also never know if I have to stay at the front or at the back of the screen there, since so many enemies come from the back.
I tried to doing the trick with the laser otpion placement, but I just can't get this t work.
>>137743495
The laser trick is actually pretty hard. I'd just take double and try to kill everything as fast as possible. Replacing your shields can get tricky with so much going on so it's best to have a plan for that. Letting your old shield touch the walls to get rid of it is more reliable than getting bullets to hit it.
>>137716862
Usually tired to death before I can start playing, forced to tone my goals down a lot...
>>137743376
>Option is also called Multiple on the powerup bar.
Tthis was bothering me way more than it should have.
>http://blog.degigames.com/pax-east/degica-games-will-be-at-pax-east/
>We’ll have merchandise for some of our hottest properties.
Does this mean I can get sick cave lewtz
>>137746826
Finally I'll get to fap to the actual Reco figurine, rather than a picture of it.
>>137746915
High scores > anime girls for fapping purposes.
>>137747167
Finally I'll get to fap to the actual high score figurine, rather than a picture of it.
>>137747334
Highscore-chan is cute!
>>137746826
I'm I'm too broke and West for Pax East.
Dead genre.
>tfw none of the newer arcade shmups can be emulated
suffering
>>137709161
>tfw you're masturbating now to Touhou hentai that Gus likely fapped to ages ago
>tfw can't shake off that feeling with every doujinshi
>>137755125
It's impossible to find Touhou hentai Gus hasn't christened, anon.
Recommend me some dank PS2 schmups.
>>137757406
Gradius V
The Raiden Project (PS1 disc)
Is Enter the Gungeon a shmup? Is it any good?
>>137758817
No. Yes.
>>137758941
why isnt it? honest question
>>137759954
Even though a lot of elements are similat, twin-stick aren't really shmups.
>playing Touhou when Shikigami no Shiro exists
Explain yourself, /jp/sies.
>>137761515
half of the characters look like douches
>>137759954
Because if it weren't a roguelite, it would be a twinstick. Twinsticks themselves are nebulously shmups at best anyway.
>>137761515
I tried to like it, and as someone who spent at least a week trying to enjoy it, I just could not. Touhou-likes and pretty much anything else are just better for me. Not that it's a bad game anyways...
I finally did it. I finally beat Gradius!
Had to recover in stage 4, but I think I know now how to play in the last stage. took me longer than I expected.
>>137762950
Not bad anon.
>tfw manage to get through the Moai stage in one try but died immediately on the next part
>couldnt recover again
>>137763432
In the Moai stage it's good to hide behind the head of a moai at the last part of it. They can't hit you there.
>>137762950
Congrats dude! You gonna do any other Gradius (or Gradius spin-off (pic related)) games?
>>137763971
Of course, I will still beat them all. But I first I gotta look, and just see what I gets me hooked the most atm.
>>137763432
>>137763971
Also, thx btw. Could have never done it without your help guys ;.;
>>137764352
Happy to help in the only way I know how: shitposting when a thread reaches page 10.
>>137757406
Mobile light force
>>137758817
Nah, but it has bullet hell elements, too bad the hitbox is raiden fighters level hueg
>>137757406
Chaos Field
>>137761515
I'm busy playing non-anime people shmups now, anon.
>>137762950
Congrats man, stage 4 is actually one of the harder stages to recover in along with the last stage. You really need a plan to deal with the pre-boss, and those enemy hatches tucked away at the top.
Area 20 on Eschatos
I found a copy of the Silpheed that was on the PS2 at my local game store for $6.
Does anyone know if it's a decent shmup?
They also have Raiden III for $10 which is probably the safer bet.
>>137772759
I can't find much on Silpheed, but Raiden III is easily the weakest Raiden game and I wouldn't really recommend it unless you absolutely have to play Raiden and don't want to play the others for some reason.
>>137773004
I'm just looking for good PS2 shmups that can be had without importing.
Is R-type Final any good?
>>137773205
Judging by the /vr/ thread: no. Raiden III is good enough, just don't go in expecting anything as good as Raiden II or any of the fighters.
>>137773205
Havent played it yet, but every time I see people talk about Final their reaction is pretty negative.
>>137773587
>>137773594
Just looked at the /vr/ thread. Gradius V is good then?
>>137774704
Most Gradius players I've talked to like it, but think it's a bit long at points.
>>137774873
Not enough contrast, all the stages look the same except for a few. Where are the volcanoes, the plant stages, the fire stages? The Moai stage?
>>137774704
>>137775221
Also these, though the most common complaint I hear is length.
>>137774873
>>137775221
Okay, I think it might be best to just use the money and put it toward Gradius V then.
am i the only person here who has DBCS onvita
>>137777893
>vita
KIMOI
>>137777893
Probably
>>137778376
w-what
WhoEnter the Gungeonhere
>>137782209
Is this new Nuclear Throne meme now?
>finally reached stage 2 of Gradius III
Holy fuck, this game.
>>137785423
>unironically playing Gradius III
lol
>>137772759
Silpheed PS2 is extremely mediocre, and since people hold Treasure games to such a high standard, it's often passed off as shit.
>>137785880
How do you play a shmup ironically?
>>137786110
Shit on it the whole time and talk about how bored/pissed off you were getting your high score, I guess.
>>137785880
Gradius III is good aside from the bullshit crystal stage
Guys.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=637500472
>>137787350
*yes*
>>137785880
DELETE THIS
>>137787350
about time
>Raiden, Truxton, Gradius, etc
>die once anywhere but the first half of stage 1
>respawn on a checkpoint with zero power
>run is completely shot
Whose idea was this
Why even have lives
>>137790895
Salamander chain deaths are worse
>>137790895
Play the region of Raiden without checkpoints.
>>137790895
>>137791340
Raiden US doesn't have checkpoints, it respawns you. Depending on your power when you died and if you had a fairy, it also drops power ups. Fuck JP region Raiden, though.
>>137791554
>playing the version with "winners don't use drugs"
>>137791764
Just double down on the weed or booze when playing to make up for it.
>>137791960
but then I'll die even harder than I would have on the JP version
>>137792049
>not drinking when you play shmups
It's the way they're intended to be played.
>>137787350
>Steam
No thanks.
>>137790895
It's to BTFO dirty credit-feeders like yourself. Every shmup should have it.
>>137792854
That makes no fucking sense thought because when you put in a new credit you get a max power
>>137792854
Gradius doesn't have continues, silly.
>>137793032
Not in Gradius or R-Type.
>>137793062
Exactly. That's also how it should be. I prefer this type of difficulty much more than the modern Cave-type of difficulty, where it's basically impossible not to die.
>>137793280
>where it's basically impossible not to die.
No miss all clear of Deathsmiles MBL 1.1, all level 999's and both EX stages or you're full of shit, faggot.
>>137792854
Credit feeders = money. Why would arcades not want that?
Also that's not really an argument when it hurts the rest of your lives in a given single credit. If you want to stop credit feeding, just don't have continues.
>tfw shmups are draining all the remaining sanity that you forgot that you still had
>tfw no point looking back now; either become a shmup superplayer or a weeb memelord IRL
So foul and fair a run I have not did.
>>137792854
Doesn't matter because emulators+savestates exist.
If anything, it ruins legit ruins because you can point farm by suiciding certain checkpoints, and just continue milking off the area that nets lots of points indefinitely.
>>137793434
Can you even read? I just said that Cave style makes it often basically impossible to No Miss.
I rather have a game which is balanced well but very limiting on your extends, than a game which is just ridiculously difficult but throws extends or bombs at you like crazy.
Don't forget your studies, /shmupg/!
>>137793749
>Can you even read?
No.
>>137793575
>tfw shmups have kept me away from becoming a weeb all this time
Also,
>western
>superplayer
kek
>>137793686
If boring milking is a thing, then that's not the fault of checkpoints, but due to bad scoring mechanics. Japanese version of R-Type Leo also has checkpoints but milking makes no sense, because lifestocks give points.
>>137793835
School is for fags.
>>137793472
If you really want to play the game, you will credit feed no matter if you get continues or not.
But I find it good that not everyone is allowed to see the whole game, although they completely suck at it.
The problem with checkpoints is that checkpoints completely kill the momentum of the game. Respawns throw you back in the action, which can be very overwhelming but I prefer it because it feels less tedious to at least continue making progress, as opposed to having to redo sections until I do it perfectly AND with fewer resources at my disposal then when I fucked up initially.
It's not like I won't be playing the game for dozens of hours anyway, making me replay a small section because I suck is just insulting.
I feel like games with health bars should have checkpoints (like Megaman) while one-hit-death games should not have them (like Contra).
>>137794348
Continues get more coins out of people. They want to keep seeing more and the timer pushes them to make a quick decision and put in another credit.
>>137794575
Why is it insulting? Doing recovering in Gradius or R-Type is actually pretty fun. If you manage to survive a difficult part although you actually died like 3 times, it just feels as if you cheated your way through, but if you recovered 3 times, and then finally b´beat it, it just feels good.
The thing with more modern shmups is just that they often throw way too much shit at the player, that's why a checkpoint system wouldn't work anymore, but back then games were actually still well balanced and fair.
What's the consensus on Raiden IV Overkill?
>>137795587
Bretty gud, definitely an improvement over III
The music is great too
Be aware stick support is finnicky though, as far as I'm aware most horis don't work with it
>>137795538
>Why is it insulting?
It feels less like I'm playing a game and more like I'm being disciplined for not doing well on a test. "You didn't get it right, do it again and this time you'd better get 100%!" I'll admit fully that it's because I'm a whiny, casual babby who should just get good, but it completely saps my will to keep playing when one mistake can potentially end my run even from a survival perspective.
>>137795587
The game is good, the PC port is kinda mediocre. My biggest issue is that I can't get it to run when I'm offline, and apparently it has issues with sticks also.
>>137795051
From a business standpoint it actually might be better to implement continues, but from a gameplay standpoint, I find checkpoints better. And that's what counts to me.
>>137796275
You responded specifically to the business aspect of it.
And if you're not the same person, why would you reply?
I've almost got the 1cc, and now I can stop stressing about the score.
>>137796382
To make clear that I don't care about if the game makes more money or not. I care about the gameplay, not how popular it is.
Also, it's not even clear if punishing checkpoints make less money. Arcade players like it if the game is challenging, why else would they play arcade games. It's only in the western versions that the games have no checkpoints mostly, because in there it's just full of casuals even in arcades.
>>137796761
Wow, I actually feel really good right now and I didn't even clear http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=35036
So tell me /shmupg/, how are you enjoying DoDonPachi IchimenBancho?
>>137795945
>It feels less like I'm playing a game and more like I'm being disciplined for not doing well on a test
Yea, that actually describes why I like it. Shmups are not just games for entertainment, they are a discipline to master at, and checkpoints fit to to this, imo.
Also
>die in a game without checkpoints
>fucked because all your powerups disappear behind the edge of the screen
Wow, great mechanic guys!
>>137797951
Someone can just as easily strawman games with checkpoints, anons.
>>137799347
That's not a strawman though, it's a clear fault with the system.
>>137795587
The MOSS Raidens are shit since they got rid of infinite loops.
Raiden DX is where it's at.
People who deny the existence of talent also happen to be the best players. I know why: it's because they have it, so they don't know what it's like not to have talent.
>>137802559
I know that it's in my genes to be better than you.
>>137799819
No it isn't. Games have power ups that bounce off the edges of the screen.
I've lately started thinking that at least regarding gameover/continue, checkpoints make much more sense at home consoles than the arcade, where you're not putting in more money to see the rest of the content. Continuing from the spot you were at may be better for practice, but for more casual play, it's more like "skip the challenge" button.
>Raiden gameplay
>whoohooo look at my huge laser dick waving in your faces left and right
>>137803547
Most people are.
