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>IRC
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List of people looking to queue up together for matchmaking:
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Post Medics for the 14rd time
And listen to some tunes while you're at it
https://www.dubtrack.fm/join/tf2g
First for do sexualize the mercenaries
https://youtu.be/tLXyFilxLOc?t=14m56s
So does this tip still hold? Sell weapons for 1 scrap, then buy 2 weapons with 1 scrap
nth for curbstomping shuckle and viva with a tf2g death squad
i love muklis
>>137206209
Holiday man
Why are we the only general that can't have sexualized women for our OP?
>>137206394
Can we post fanart? I don't have enough TF2 fanart.
>>137206583
Because there's only like two women in the entire TF2 universe and the rest is just shitty sexualized inflation pyro and gross femscouts.
>>137206289
>artist didnt have enough imagination to unshirt pyro
every time
>>137206707
the shotgun is on a strap
>>137206209
>>137206430
Where's your strange crossbow?
all-class update when
i want cool military loadouts on every class
>>137206018
Hellmet+Brimstone looks dope
>>137206841
It's not so much a matter of lack of imagination as that's the entire joke. I do wonder why pyro appears to be wearing her underpants on the outside, though.
>>137206974
Every class does have a military based loadout, though. I think they do anyway, not sure on Engineer/Sniper.
>>137206583
Because women don't have a place in Team Fortress 2.
>>137206370
It's an extremely slow way to make a profit. Think of how much one scrap is worth. then think of how little people would be dumb enough to buy a weapon for a scrap when sites like scrap.tf have existed for ages.
Factor in how long it takes to make a trade with all the dumb authenticators - three days if one person doesn't have it enabled - and it's just not worth it.
>>137206841
They probably didn't want to start shit with people getting triggered over their LGBTqa*&^%$# Pyro headcanons.
>>137206707
I've got a lot. Anything in particular you're looking for?
>>137207094
Well fuck. How do make profits then?
>>137207056
fucking off by one, kill me
>>137207094
It's 15 days now.
>>137207165
You don't play TF2 to make profit. You play CSGO and DOTA to make profit, because that's where the money is.
Who gives these people matchmaking passes?
>>137207165
Buy unusuals and convince the creator of the hat to make them multi/allclass. Just don't bother.
>>137207326
>tryhard
>in matchmaking
surely is joke
>>137207326
I still don't get how tryhard became an insult. You should always try your hardest to the best at everything you do.
>>137207094
Got any demo? Demo is my favorite mercenary.
>>137207293
>>137207420
Well i mean making a "profit" so i can trade
for hats. I got jack skippy right now and I'd like to have at least few cosmetics.
>>137207548
Buy like two or three keys. Trade keys for hats.
>>137207479
I got a few Demos.
>>137207548
Just spend $2.49 on a key and sell that for metal. That should be enough to get you quite a few cosmetics.
>>137207660
>>137207687
Oh god, i guess there's no avoiding spending if I want to get hats.
>>137207094
I can name three women that do have a place in TF2
>people getting triggered over pyro headcanons
Such as?
>>137207479
Some people only play games for fun, and some of those people can't understand why someone else could see the game as more than just something "fun".
>>137207809
Some people genuinely think he's a girl.My headcanon for pyro is that she's an adorable Japanese schoolgirl under that suit.
Anyone still need a beta pass?
>>137207935
B-but what about the "scientific" proof that he's a guy?
>>137208204
>Scientific proof
Where?
>>137208204
There's scientific proof you're a faggot
>>137208345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA_24zLyKdI
>>137208527
>Game theory
Entire post disregarded
>>137207687
Artist of these is silsol, good shit.
>>137207809
Alright nigga, Miss Pauling, the Administrator, and a few nobodies in the comics. All of which only exist through comics and .mp4 files and aren't in the actual game.
People legitimately believe Pyro is a woman, or a tranny, or every made up sexuality/gender identity under the sun. Artists have been harassed for doing things like drawing a brown character one shade lighter, or shipping a lesbian character with someone straight (there was someone sperging out in the TF2 tag about how shipping scoutpauling is lgbt erasure, can't make this shit up), or giving a female character slightly bigger tits. A while ago a tumblr teenager drew a fat character from Steven Universe as a thin woman and she was harassed to the point where she committed suicide. People are stupid.
Best shoes? I sort of want to get an Essential Accessories cus of the wrist warmers, but they're the priciest ones.
>>137208527
Next you're gonna site Death Battle as proof of anything too.
>>137208580
>Harassed to the point where she committed suicide
People are too fucking fragile nowadays.
>>137208691
I like my Brooklyn Booties.
>>137208580
Pauling isn't even a lesbian. That is just headcanon made by the guy who draws the comics, which doesn't even make sense because Valve pushes ScoutXPauling hard.
>>137208580
I meant to say ATTEMPTED suicide, not committed suicide, and even when she was posting pictures of her recovering in the fucking hospital people continued to harass this teenage girl, claiming that she was faking her suicide attempt for attention. Artists get harassed over everything.
>>137208812
Fragile, yes, but she's a teenager so I can understand. Just explaining why an artist would want to avoid that bullshit.
>>137208862
I know. He also claims there's one of every mercenary which contradicts nearly every piece of canon but that's okay because muh representation muh progressivism there is literally zero reason to make this character gay bur if you disagree then you're a homophobe
>>137209092
Enough of this nonsense, I'll finish posting the Demomen I've got.
>>137209092
fun fact: regardless of your age, you shoul NEVER listen to stuff people say online.
in addition, regardless of your age, they're still just pixels on a screen
>>137209451
> NEVER listen to stuff people say online.
> they're still just pixels on a screen
so what you're saying is that my waifu is real?
>>137209404
>>137209451
This is women we're talking about.
>>137208580
>lgtb erasure
SJWs never cease to amaze me
>>137209092
How long ago did he make that tweet about pauling anyways? I remember it being fairly recent
>>137208527
>>137208691
I put scientific in brackets and had the sarcastic stammering for a reason you know. I'm not trying to prove facts, I just want to show a logical conclusion to a question that may never be factually answered. What the hell is wrong with GT anyways?
Also the allstars are nice.
>>137209546
I don't know what happened to my image.
>>137209636
Dunno, it was before the newest comic's release. I can find it for you if you want.
threadly reminder
>>137209865
>Demo mains that low
Post disregarded.
>>137209636
Game Theory writes fanfiction for children about video games for a living.
>mfw he made a huge video explaining the hidden meanings behind everything in Five Nights at Freddys, and Scott swooped in to call him a dumbass and tell him everything he said was wrong
>>137209773
Saved the best for last.
>>137209924
Heed his >>137209451 advice about not listening to what people say online
>>137209924
demo is literally the 2nd biggest cuck class in tf2
HE'S NINE HEALTH
>Want an item to use it tonight
>Everyone selling is either offline and won't accept trade offer, or online and won't accept trade offer
I hate trading now.
>>137210293
This meme isn't even funny.
>>137210028
People who try to see shit that isn't there in any form of media are fucking morons. I remember Isaac Asimov wrote a short story about Shakespeare travelling to the modern day and taking a college course on his work. It was kinda funny.
>>137210380
What item?
>>137210560
If I told you, you would laugh at me. I just want to be like my favorite youtuber.
>>137210613
It's fine, anon. Is it what I think it is?
>Falling for the decorated Jew
>>137209865
>spy that high
>demo that low
![4608357992_dfeb3db4e4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0roKFHw.jpg "4608357992_dfeb3db4e4[1].jpg")
>>137210763
It might be.
>>137210787
>Implying decorated weapons cost anything
>He buys field tested weapons
>He buys higher than minimal wear
>dominate player
>he changes his class to pyro
lmao
>He doesn't have a Factory New local hero pistol
>he buys weapon skins
It's fun to listen to the mercs do the dancing taunts in the taunt loadout screen because it doesn't include music and they sound retarded.
>>137211135
>gimping your range, health, and overall dps with the undisputed cuck class
How would that make getting revenge any easier?
Can someone explain the Local Hero meme?
>>137211216
mannrobics makes you look retarded in any situation.
>>137210707
It's just dirt and shit wood
>TFW you dominate a scout
>TFW you're the demolitions man
>>137211216
Go listen to spy or engine man's dance, then.
>>137211284
shitters, that's how
>>137211287
It's the pistol your granddad used when he rustled those no good outlaws out of town.
>>137210028
>for children
Citation?
>fanfiction
That's kinda the point though, isn't it? He finds something that is unclear (or is deemed as such) in vidya culture and tries to explain it with his own logic. People are curious, and he provides something in the form of an answer (read: theory).
>for a living
Doesn't change anything about the validity of his points.
>>137211481
>Defending people who try to wrangle something out of nothing
>>137211481
>He finds something that is unclear (or is deemed as such) in vidya culture and tries to explain it with his own logic.
It is literally "WHAT IF VIDEO GAMES WERE REAL XD" tier shit.
>>137210028
what the fuck source
>>137211481
>defending GT in any way
>>137210028
well yea scott was right
>>137211638
I may have exaggerated some, but still.
>>137211481
>Citation?
who the fuck else listens to bullshit "theories" on video games other than children
he could literally make up shit how the counter-terrorists in CSGO are the terrorists and people would eat that shit up
HIT EM UP
http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/51631
>>137209865
can you think before making a list?
>>137212092
>Soldier mains that high
Move soldier to spy tier, switch scout and demo, move engine up a tier and move sniper down a tier.
>>137211917
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X_r6etzhcQ
>buy an unusual minigun
>friend asks why as it doesn't count kills
>as him so what
>he doesn't have an answer
Really, why would a Heavy need to count kills? Maybe if it was a hales own family business or something it might be worth taking a glance at this guy because he probably knows what hes doing, but if its a strange minigun you might as well assume before you even die to it that its hales own
>>137212179
>soldier is easy to master
fucking hell this meme is retarded
>switch scout and demo
yeah I probably should've
>engineer too low
literally just place minisentry and kill shit with the shotgun.
>sniper too high
sniper is quite useful on some maps, and it takes some skill to land good shots with him
>>137212386
It's for e-peen points, it has always been.
reminder that anyone who whines about soldiers or says it's an easy class is the heavy main poster and should be laughed at
*raises paw*
is sniper considered a bit too strong in 6s as well?
>>137212386
>unusual weapons
just get an aussie
>>137209865
>>137212092
>Sniper main
>Average
But that's wrong
>>137212678
switch pyro and sniper and the list literally perfect
>>137212580
I don't like Soldier, but that's because almost all of the Soldier mains I've seen ever have been tremendous faggots. I'll be the first to admit that I can't get anywhere near skillcap on Soldier, since I can barely rocket jump.
>>137212678
>Heavy that low
This isnt 6s anymore son.
>>137212678
>while all classes are balanced
this is just false
the concept behind the list is nice and mostly accurate but this claim is just plain false
>>137212678
>although it's ideal to have 1 of every class
that is when I stop reading and throw the tierlist into the garbage.
>>137212728
Pyros aren't great (or good really), but they're not as bad as snipers. Snipers are shit.
>>137212968
>snipers are shit
pyro mains leave the thread this is your last warning
>>137212380
What's wrong with b4nny? Why is he having so much fun?
>>137211296
the ultimate skin
>>137212950
They are. They've been updating this game for almost 10 years of course they are.
>>137212968
You are comparing an offensive class to a pick class. pyro is the worst offensive class there is, he's incredibly situational and should never be picked.
>>137212386
>there are people out there who still care about stranges outside of trading
>the quality literally died when farming became a thing
Although strange variants of some weapons you never see, like the Classic or Fan of War, are interesting when they're so many kills in with those.
>>137212967
It ison a team of 12
>>137213103
So beautifully naive...
>>137212386
I'll give you a reason why
Because it feels nice to see it record your kills, whether it's a stat clock or not, because "hey i've used this weapon to kill this many hippies"
I don't like renamed weapons that aren't strange because it just feels like a waste of a nametag desu fampaily
>>137213103
They never cared about making this game competitive until now. They've only just started trying to unshit the game before competitive release.
>>137213146
He's an offensive CQC support/counter class. He has his place. He might not can do as much as most classes, but he's still more useful than a sniper.
>incredibly situational
There are 5 situation classes. So what?
>>137213010
I'm not a pyro main, and I never will be. That said, I'd rather main pyro than sniper.
>go on tf2
>stabby top stream
Did he finally wipe up the tears and change his diaper after the ringer nerf? Why is this faggot still relevant?
help u fucks
do any of you know if keys might go up or down in price? IS THERE even a way to know?
>>137213252
>>137213394
Just because you suck at a class doesn't make it under powered.
Just because you keep getting your ass handed to you by a certain class/load out doesn't make it OP.
Maybe not every single weapon is balanced, but most are. All the stock classes are balanced.
>>137213652
he pugs with low invite players
>>137213780
they go down and then they go back up
>>137213103
Pyro is still broken in many aspects (no, i'm not saying he's op)
Nniper is still a bit too strongSoldier rockets are still too easy to use in very close range (again, not op)
Plenty of individual items make certain classes a bit too strong/render opponents too weak or just shouldnt belong in the game
And these are only a few examples
>They've been updating this game for almost 10 years
Valve has neglected TF2 for a very long time and are only recently trying to make up for their mistakes. Some of their business practices are still scary (and to some degree anti-consumer), and the possibility of them stepping out of line again are still possible. Don't be an apologetic.
We may have a great base game, but it still needs a lot of fine tuning.
>>137213897
I.. Is this bait? I actually can't tell if youre shitposting or just don't know any better?
>>137213612
They're good for countering soldiers but that's about it. Scouts out dps and out speed them, demos may have a bit of trouble but they have sticky spam and ways of keeping them back, they can't pick med effectively because of no speed and no viable long/mid range options. With defensive options there is engi and heavy which can be used for area denial or offense, so those have their uses. Sniper and spy are pick classes so while situational they are still useful. Pyro has little to no advantage over scout/soldier/demo and should never be played.
>>137213897
mge me fag
>>137214083
>Pyro is still broken in many aspects (no, i'm not saying he's op)
Nope, most people play him incorrectly. I had the similar problem with the scout when I first started. I thought he was under powered as all fuck. Then I learned he was a top tier class and I was just playing him wrong. Pyro is pretty similar to scout in some ways, I imagine some people just don't play him correctly. And going by how many I mow down as a heavy in pubs, I'm probably right.
>Sniper is still a bit too strong
Nah, he's fine.
>>137214083
>soldier rockets are easy to use in close range
How the fuck do you fix that? Have reverse damage drop off?
>>137214204
I feel this way about most posts made here
>>137213897
this is bait
>>137214620
You don't engage the soldier at close range.
>>137214284
>Pyro has little to no advantage over scout/soldier/demo
The fuck am I read? I main demo. Scouts and pyros are a stock demo's biggest problem, trust me.
generated a new pass for the first time in literally a week. first person to post id gets it
also post stabby guys
>>137215206
>>137215206
I'm just going to give my pass to the first f2p I meet, I've been trying to get rid of it all day.
>>137214841
This whole general is bait
Dance taunts?
Conga (?) Kick (?) Mannrobics
inb4 taunts r 4 f2ps reel proz nevur taunt XD
>>137215206
>strange festive
>not just festive
why do you have is strange
>>137215073
Dont try to use reason and use common sense here, wont work
>>137215383
Kazotsky > Conga > Mannrobics
>>137214620
I prepose that they do the same thing they did to demo stickies, make the radius of rockets start smaller and get back to normal size after a certain period of time. Were this to be implimented, bad soldiers would do very little damage at closer ranges and good soldiers would still have around the same damage potential (don't take my word for it though, i could be wrong).
>>137214892
However this is still a valid point.
>>137215257
your font is looking a little big there
>>137215396
I like stranges
I just saw someone with a festive scattergun it was rank "Limited Hale's Own". I didn't get a chance to see how many kills. What makes it Limited?
>>137215572
Best monogatari, nice taste.
>>137215073
anything that gets close to the demo is a problem. Scouts have an easier time getting closer.
>>137215580
The older strange festives gained the limited when they added all the strangifiers
>>137215740
I didn't think there was a scattergun strangifier.
Interesting, though.
>>137215580
>Limited Quantity is an attribute added to items that are no longer obtainable from crafting, item drop system, crates (unless the crate listed in the description), or Mann Co. Store.
>>137215073
If a pyro gets in your face, pipe him. If you have room to backpedal, though, you can also lay stickies at your feet. Pipes would be better, though, that's what they're for.
>>137215073
>what are stickies
>what is distancing yourself as a class that only has splash weapons
>>137215831
How close are we talking when you say "in your face"? Far enough that hitting a pipe wouldn't self-damage?
>>137216059
Hey man, it's worth a little self damage if it kills the other guy.
>>137213612
>He's an offensive CQC support/counter class.
True.
>He might not can do as much as most classes, but he's still more useful than a sniper.
False.
Pyro has multiple flaws:
>His secondary weapons (shotguns and flares) can do more damage than his primary
>Has to combo in order to make use out of crit bonuses when enemies are on fire
>Afterburn can easily be countered by multiple things (Medics, Dispensers, Jarate/Milk/Sandvich, health packs, other Pyros)
>Afterburn resistance as a trait on Pyro is somewhat useless if the enemy team lacks a Pyro, but also hurts when trying to use your primary against an enemy Pyro
>Has to be in someone's face to be effective, making it a high risk for a low reward if not going for a proper pick
Where as Sniper:
>Can quickscope 5 of the 9 classes in the game. Soldier and 175 hp classes are most likely fucked anyways with the loss of health
>Doesn't have to be up front, can chill at the back and get picks efficiently
>Has two items that allow him to counter Spies and other Snipers
>Speaking of, Sniper usually has to be countered by another Sniper or a Spy since he can just hang back outside of any imminent danger
>Cozy Camper removes flinching and lets Sniper get health back gradually, allowing for Snipers to be more efficient since they can't be harassed by mediocre damage
>Jarate shits on combos, afterburn, and Spies
>Bazaar Bargain rewards Sniper with faster charge time, which means after 5 or so heads he just quickscopes 200 damage headshots
Pyro just needs to be reworked, I don't even know what Sniper needs.
Pyro has no tools to get in on his opponent, nor do enough damage to eliminate them safely. Even as an ambush class, Scout exceeds him.
>>137215831
>>137215973
Easier said than done boyo. My point is the statement "Pyro has little to no advantage over scout/soldier/dem" is false.
stay safe /tf2g/
>>137216129
For "a little", sure it isn't. Anything that isn't "a little" may cost you your life (plus there's always the offhand chance that your pipe will get reflected and at that range missing a reflect aimwise is very difficult)
>>137216317
>He cant land pipes
>He cant press m1 while holding m2
Important question. Do you exclusively play in pubs?
>>137216249
Sniper needs his secondaries reworked, namely camper/razordick/DDS.
>>137216129
>Self damaging while on fire
>>137216475
>Not having a medic
>>137216273
I wish the napper's respite didn't look so much like plastic. I really want to like that hat.
>>137216317
>scout is better at flanks, chasing down enemies, and up-close DPS
>soldier is better at dps at range and up close, has multiple escape and rollout mechanics, and can quickly and easily put himself on higher ground.
>demo is better at taking down groups of enemies, area denial, and still has effective 1v1 weapon application.
>>137216587
You aren't going to have a med on you at all times. Those exceptional moments where a pyro catches you out are the moments where he does the most damage.
Post your favorite stranges!
>>137217304
S. Festive rocket launcher
>>137217304
forgot the pic
Post favorite stranges everyone!
>>137217304
Strange shooting star.
>>137217304
FN local hero
>>137216249
Usefulness
Pyro can:
>Remove stickies
>Bounce back artillery spam
>Extinguish teammates
>Light enemies on fire, signaling to rest of the team they're weakened
>Expose spies
>Can even take out sappers with the homewrecker
Snipers:
>Pick
>That's it
>That's all they can to
>and it's not like the team NEEDs a pick class all the time anyway.
>Well, I guess they can exposes spies and put people out with jarate, but so can mad milk, and it's a poor replacement for the flamethrower
Your problem is you think a TF2 match is some kind of series of 1v1 matches. Nope, it's about different classes working together as a team. Pyros are more essential to a team than snipers.
And it's not like snipers are more independent than pyros anyway. They need a front line to even do anything.
>>137217184
You should be protecting your Medic then. If your med is ded, you are likely ded anyways. Even then, all other classes can outdamage him in a one on one fight.
>>137217304
>>137217530
Wait this is a team game?
>>137217492
Does the crit effect apply vs. players who are wet with say, mad milk or jarate.
>>137217530
Pyro can't remove stickies, he can only push them like two feet, which any soldier can also do. Extinguishing team mates only counts when the enemy team also has a pyro. Spy is exposed simply by having eyes/ears/actual team communication skills. Why would anyone use the homewrecker when the powerjack is the objectively better melee?
>see med is about to get flanked by soldier
>he eats a rocket, for 60 some damage
>charge him recklessly blasting with scattergun to get him off med
>end up winning fight
>look over
>med is still alive
>felt like secret service
do u guys still have a server or did that stop a long time ago
>>137217530
>Soldier can do the same
>Smart players don't spam
>Extinguishing never comes into play because Pyro is a shit class that never sees use
>Spychecking never comes into play because Spy is a shit class that never sees use
>See above
>Sniper is "just a pick class"
>Implying that a dead medic isn't the best possible thing for your team
>>137217680
>TFW no one on pubs ever protects me when I play med
>MFW I switch classes to sniper or scout or something and now my team doesn't have a med and they bitch about it
>>137217530
>half the pyro utility requires someone playing a shit class or other team playing pyro or spy which are both shit classes
>>137217816
You play in shit pubs thats why
is comp tf2 still a thing
>>137216439
1. Pyros can reflect pipes
2. You can't one shot them without a crit
3. At close range you take splash damage
4. Pyros are faster than demos
Demo isn't built for CQC and the pyro is. How is that hard to understand?
>>137217816
play comp friendo, anyone on team will throw life away to save you.
>>137217961
Proper matchmaking is in beta now.
>>137217530
Did you know that gold and platinum highlander the sniper is the most important class? He is so important in high levels that a sniper pick is almost more important than a medic pick.
The ability to pick the 3 most important(sniper medic demo) classes in the game and in rapid succession is more important than anything the pyro can do.
Sniper gets better and better the more skilled the players while with low skills its the weakest class in the game
while pyro gets worse and worse the more skilled the players are, while at low skill levels its one of the most powerful.
>>137217961
its becoming a thing. I think lobbies still work though idk.
>>137218031
only took them a decade
and it's still in beta
wew lad
>>137217304
fuck the haters, and team players I love me some Fortress 2
>>137217002
he wasn't talking about overall, mechanic advantages
he was talking about situational advantages
ex. when he C A T C H E S Y O U O U T
>>137216249
The question then is how much impact can a sniper's picks have on a game? Pyro is more consistantly useful, but a sniper has the potential to have the biggest impact on the game.
Also you forgot about jarate utility.
>>137217886
I think playing in pubs to begin with is an error in most cases.
>>137217492
yes it does.
>>137217990
why use a pyro when a scout can do the same thing AND the scout can do more things than a pyro.
>>137218248
yeah the feed gaben budget was getting low, so they decided it was time for their next jewish scheme. They're too lazy to make another game so they just worked with what they had.
>>137217705
last tf2g server was like 3 years ago, maybe more
>tfw no videofreak server
>tfw no longshaft server
>>137217530
so snipers are FRAGGERS while pyros are bottom fraggers
ok
>>137217990
Pyro can't stop sticky spam tho. And even then, Pyro has to be perfect on reflecting pipes, which is also not easy. And even with self damage taken into account, Demo still comes out on top, or at least trades with you. That's your best case scenario. A trade. And that is assuming that you can get the jump on him right up in his face. Any distance at all, and he's got you beat.
>>137218474
how much would you need to pay for a dedicated tf2 server anyways?
>>137218383
valve would be a good company if they had some real structure but i'm sure the employees would hate that
>>137217530
>Pyro's mentioned skillset required both an enemy Spy and Pyro
>Can only remove stickies with flares, and even that's not as effective. Airblasting them does fuck all
>A class that can kill essentially anyone from just looking that them isn't as essential as spraying fire occasionally and running around with the Powerjack
Also if people are feeding you pipes and rockets, they're probably really bad at the game.
Here's your (You).
>>137218591
not much, cost me like 20 dollars a month to run mine. only issue is u need people to play on it to merit keeping it up, no one played on mine so I shut it down lol
there should be a second style on the max's that's just the ears
I know I'm probably gonna be bullied but
Is there a way to play TF2 like on 2007?
Besides playing it on console
>>137217674
I'd like to point out that my original argument wasn't that "the pyro is good" it's "the pyro is more useful than sniper".
>>137217813
Anyone can kill a medic. The scout can also pick, maybe not as good as the sniper and spy, but at lest can do other shit.
I don't know, maybe you guys are right, maybe the sniper is better than the pyro. That's not saying much though. I guess I'm just tired of seeing sniper main. I don't care what you guys say, sniper mains are shit. Even if they're better than pyro mains, they're still absolute shit. Maybe I haven't noticed how bad pyro mains are because there aren't very many.
I don't know. On a team of 12, I'd still rather have 2 pyros on my team than 2 snipers.
>>137218953
Yea theres a version you can download out there, not sure if many play it
>>137218613
they got the finance structure down right, that's for sure. They have us by the dick in everything money related with them. Market tax, gambling that's legal for minors, steam wallet, sales. The crates are the best scheme they've ever made. Player gives 2.50, has 0% chance to make any money, and instead can get "steam wallet funds" from other people, then Valve takes the market tax from the sale and make even more money when people buy shit on their website. It's the ultimate jew.
>>137218090
>Highlander
No one cares
>>137218536
You make good points, but saying that the best case scenario is a trade is a bit of an exageration, no? Do you honestly think that it's impossible for a demo to die to a pyro?
>>137217990
>you can't one shot them
You can "technically" one shot them if you shoot a good sticky and then immediately hit them with a pipe as you det the sticky.
>pyros are faster
Pyro may have the powerjack but that in no way compares to sticky jumping
>>137219114
Your argument for that is still fairly weak though.
>>137219230
ya and that's not even counting all the money they make from the dota 2 compendiums, that shit comes out 4 times a year and literally millions of people buy it for like 10 dollars each
what do they even do with all that money
they certainly aren't making good games anymore
hey guys so I tried this dubious strategy in MM.
I died as scout then when my timer was at 7 med died. I switched to med and told med to switch to scout so we would have a med back in faster. Is this a good idea or no?
I also play with friends, so I know our med is at least decent at scout and I'm alright as medic.
>>137219114
pyro is only has any use on last holds when you are at an uber disadvantage.
while sniper is potentially useful at EVERY SINGLE CHOKE both attacking and defending where both teams are at equal uber including last holds
Situation 1 happens less than situation 2
Sniper is better than pyro.
>>137219449
>they aren't making games
theres literally no motivation, doing the previously mentioned shit and having the reputation for having the "pro" games gets them more money than they would ever get with a new release.
You seem really upset about sniper mains. Do you wish to tell the court where the pubstomping sniper touched you?
>>137219463
As long as both the players swapping are of similar skill i cant see a negative side to this strat at all. Thinking about it, why has no one at high level 6s ever done this? Its kind of genius.
>>137219348
so u need to shoot a sticky, switch to ur pipes, hit the pipe, and det the sticky all before the pyro hits m2
also, sticky jumping deals a lot of damage
demo is the better class every situation except cqc against a class that reflects slow moving projectiles and can quickly switch to a hitscan weapon or an insta crit melee
idk why ur so invested in this, did a pyro main call u gay or something
>>137219348
>Fending off the pyro with a sticky
I don't know what YouTube videos you've been watching boy, but that's a waste of sticky. If I kill him with a sticky, then I've blown all my stickies. Which means I've got to reset my trap mean I have to go back to the front line, and that's where I'm most venerable.
>Sticking away.
Same. plus sticky jumping does a lot of damage.
A lot of the shit you're saying is easier said than done. Can I ask you something? Do main demo? Have you ever mained demo? How many hours of demo do you have? Cause either you're a GOAT demo, or you're pulling these scenarios out of your ass.
>Your argument for that is still fairly weak though.
I'm just speaking from experience.
>>137219851
I can see how it could be damaging in the long run because there won't be much opportunity to switch back to our mains after that.
>>137220009
>Pipes
>Slow moving projectile
>>137219581
man, they're just resting on their laurels, that's gonna get em high, they need to get out of self and do some service work if they want to stay sober
>>137220020
>trapping with stickylauncher
oh mah lawd, is this guy serious?
>>137218945
No.
>>137220359
They are though.
>>137220541
They move faster than the rocket launcher. Are those slow also?
>>137220464
But... It's my job. I have to control the map. I have to help the team win.
>>137220359
pipes can't one shot a pyro and if u see the bombnigger coming it's super easy to anticipate the pipe. everything else I said is true. again, I agree that demo is the better class but unless the pyro is an actual lobotomized monkey, ur dead 9 times out of 10
>>137220684
>Are those slow also?
Yes. Very.
>>137220729
You can do that on the front lines. The stickybomb launcher is as good as any other classes primary weaponexcept pyro lolwhen used offensively. With your two primaries, become an impenetrable wall of explosions that the opposing team can't pass.
>>137220729
are you playing pubs? there is very little use for a sticky trap outside of being pushed to last, and at that point your back is to the wall, so you should be able to see anything coming toward you from a mile away
>>137220729
demo is an offensive class, don't let anyone tell u otherwise
>>137220910
>he stickybomb launcher is as good as any other classes primary weapon
Argeed, but I need to cut off routes for my team, deny the enemy team access to certain areas.
>>137220939
I beg to differ. They're extremely useful. Like picks are after me like I'm a medic useful.
>>137220945
Kek.
i think b4nny iscute
>>137221457
>Sit back and deny space while the enemy team builds Uber
or
>Go forward and fucking kill everyone
It's your choice Neo.
>>137221457
What routes do you need to cut off? Are they so important that you have to be actively watching them? if you're actively watching them, why not just pop nades when someone turns that corner and use your sticky for offense?
>>137221457
>but I need to cut off routes for my team, deny the enemy team access to certain areas
and u do that by spamming explosives at them while the medic gives u buffs. the roamer and scouts secure the flank, ur job is to be a big angry fucker and deny places as u move forward, don't be a bitch and hide in the rear
>>137221457
you only do that in certain situations involving shutter doors and choke points
>>137219621
He coated me in urine and then stabbed me in the chest :((((
>>137220009
I'm not so sure if you messed up your post or something but oh well.
>that's a waste of sticky
Well, sometimes the sacrifice is worth it if it means you live, and it's not like I always have a trap laid somewhere (I say I here because I don't know how you play demo).
>sticky jumping does a lot of damage
That's why jumping towards an hp kit or a med is always a good idea and what you should try to do.
>easier said than done
The whole one shot thing is very difficult to pull off and against competent pyros will only work with surprise. I can't remember having ever done this outside the range of like 2 meters or around a corner. It is a bit faster then you would think though (a bit more than 0.7 seconds to be exact).
>>137220009
See above for the first two points you made.
I agree with you that pyro is definitely better at CQC, but that isn't what I'm arguing with what I said.
>pyro main call u gay or somethingI am gaybut I just enjoy having these discussions. It's nice to see other's point of view since it helps me learn more about the game. On top of that most pyro discussions here don't happen without a lot of vitriol and the thread is surprisingly insult-free right now so I'm taking full advantageand for pyro as well
>>137221457
>area denial
Engineer is there for that, while providing a dispenser and a teleporter in pubs. In 6s or with teammates with a brain, chances are if you're moved up, your team is already up there as well.
>keeping sticky traps
Unless you know for sure that an enemy is gonna come out of whatever door at any time, that's when a trap comes in handy. Otherwise you're denying yourself a weapon that can do great damage, both in the air and on land. Demo's a powerhouse; don't gimp yourself by waiting on the enemy to come to you for longer periods of time.
>>137221604
Sometimes I wonder if anyone here actually plays this game. I mean, other than as a dress up game of course.
>playing MM with friends
>decide to do something fun (read: gimmicky)
>5 demos
>1 med
>rollout to mid fairly quickly
>pipes and stickies flying everywhere, nowhere was safe
>entire other team gets wiped and we only have maybe 1 casualty
>repeat this to last
>blow the fuck out of everything there and walk to point
>repeat for easy win
holy shit that was unstoppable amounts of faggotry, the other team didn't stand a chance. On the second round midfight they were pushed back so hard that they couldn't even try to stop us from capping with them having a nearly full team
mfw i KILL
>>137222216
oh shit son
>>137222222
>>137222030
Some things in this game are more clear for certain people than to others. Some people have more experience than others. Some people are more ignorant than others. Can't really see where the dots don't connect here.
>>137222173
Sounds hilarious. What medigun did you use?
>>137221963
ya i'm fuckin baffled at the lack of insults, back in 2012-2013 this place was just garbage
now as the game ages with no real new content the userbase gets better
or maybe I'm only seeing it now when it's good, I haven't posted here in a long time
>>137222173
I've been wanting to do this so bad. Hard to make randoms listen though.
>That feel when you aren't, nor were you ever, an f2p
>>137222453
quickfix, had to because of the constant healing required from the entire team having only splash weapons and to keep up with the rollout and quickly heal everyone.
>>137222216
Amazing book, movie was a surprisingly good adaptation that I feel did suitable justice.
>>137222803
agree tbqhwy
>>137222516
This is why you don't solo q
>>137222498
Don't get used to it buddy, this place is still pretty shit most of the time. Whether its improved since 3 years ago I cannot tell you. Welcome back though.
>>137222498
>2012-2013 this place was utter garbage
You weren't here yesterday were you? This is one of the rare instances this general isn't cancer.
>gave my alt a pass
>griefing LITERAL children
I'm having too much fun
>>137222453
I know. These comments are ridiculous:
>>137221723
>>137221801
>>137222027
Again, what demo experience do you guys have? Do you main demo? How many hours do you have as demo?
I mean, play the way you want to, but traps work for me. The game is goal oriented, it's easy to guess where people are coming, what space needs to be denied ect. It's not like I just set them up and leave them. I blow them up and reset them constantly. I do use the stickylauncher offensively if I don't have a trap up, but I usually do.
>>137222913
tbqh i'm not even sure why I decided to post here again, i'm positive no one remembers me and all my friends stopped playing tf2 for dota. I do miss tf2 when it wasn't such a fuckin mess
man, pugs were the best
I miss the mumblejerk
My heavy is cute now.
>>137223112
I have over a hundred hours with Demo.
>>137223504
Yes he is.
>>137223112
>1600 hourskill me
>scout main
>quite a bit of demo experience, I can perform on competitive levels
I would say there is a time and place for traps but I primarily use the launcher as a spam bombs and blow shit up thing. Traps often take time to set up, require watching, and just usually are not worth the effort put into them. If you are being pushed back I can see how traps can be useful but most of the time you want to be acting offensively and blowing shit up constantly.
>winning gives you more than 1 tiny bar of exp
>losing no longer drains half of your level
nice
>>137223759
>abandoning drains exp
cool
>>137223574
not 1600 as demo btw, 1600 total, I have about 150 as demo.
I had a cosmetic drop today. It was a manpurse. Cosmetic drops are always a nice surprise, I'm glad they're back.
>>137223901
...?
>>137223989
they were never gone
>>137222984
enjoy it while it lasts, a beta is only a beta
>>137223201
Maybe something can still be salvaged. It may be revived as something completely different, but may even be better than what it was in the past. Who knows?
>no one remembers me
I know I won't since I've only been here for about a year and a half, but there might still be some people here that remember.No one's going to remember someone who doesn't tell you their name.
>>137223759
>>137223823
Where are these changes.
>>137223989
Yes they were
http://www.tf2tools.net/articles/hatgate
