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>What is DUELYST?
DUELYST is a competitive strategy card game focused on tactical combat, squad building, and ranked ladder play.
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http://beta.duelyst.com/
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http://duelyst.gamepedia.com/Getting_Started
So is the game worth playing now?
>>136954865
There is a /vg/ archive. There's no reason that you should have an outdated OP with no back link.
Redditpals doesn't work anymore
>>136958947
There are no duelyst threads in the archive anymore.
>>136960305
There's more than one archive.
These new minions are really nice but are way too elaborate for duelyst. They need to update the older sprites.
>>136954865
most of these changes are shit. Vanar and Abyss are probably back to complete dumpster tier
time to go play Faeria
>>136956925
Eh, probably not. It's an improvement, but the game still has a long way to go. It depends on how their expansions turn out since neutral minions still dominate most decks (it doesn't help that they release 5 new ones each month).
>>136958947
yea... my bad. I didn't find the most recent one in the archive so I had to copy an old from Feb. Should have been more thorough.
>>136962351
Yep, I'm really digging Forcefield. It's kinda like a more sturdy divine shield which makes it the best mechanic introduced so far.
I agree. Each game has their share of lazy/old artworks though so they might not bother with it.
>cant disenchant balanced card for full value
THANKS A LOT COUNTER PLAY
The game plays much differently now. You hit 9 mana very quickly, and any good 6 mana drops will really help you out.
That said, Archon is really good right now, if you don't have any removal.
Vanar's Hailstone isn't nearly as cancerous, and Chromatic Cold is still good.
Haven't seen a lot of use out of Magmar's Dance of Dreams. It might've been good with the old Harvester.
>>136962359
>complete overhaul on tempo
>variety of tempo changes, buffs, nerfs in accordance
>"most of them are shit"
>"vanar and abyss are probably dumpster tier"
confirmed for not even playing a single match post-rework
I mean jesus christ I'm not saying you have to suck their collective dick or anything but at least fucking try it before you whine about it and shove it away
>>136964901
>complaining about not getting shitty spirit value over opening a shit-ton of orbs
wtf is wrong with you
>>136966195
that's sounds fucking great I haven't updated yet but if the changes are as you say then my interested in the game is renewed. hopefully CP doesn't fuck up and backpedal
>>136967552
>lots of spirit from full value DEs
>won't come close if I reset
Gee I wonder why. Also I have a lot of extras I didn't DE for upcoming patches.
>>136966195
>quotes what i said
>just reiterates the changes made
>hurr durr stuff changed, some vanar cards are now shit, nerfs and buffs were made
>this made the game better, obviously!
yeah i know stuff was changed retard, thanks for reminding me
the game is literally hearthstone play on curve tempo bullshit now. where's tusk boar nerf? why the FUCK is old nightsorrow a neutral now? why did vet keep all their draw shit when it's now fucking the most powerful tool in the game?
literally SHIT and ded gaem
>>136968293
>quotes what i said
>implying this isn't 4chan's quoting system
what the fuck
>implying I said they made the game better
I said they reworked the game, and thusly had to change a bunch of cards.
>reiterates the changes made
?? what the fuck are you on about
The only change I "reiterated" was the hailstone is going to be much less cancerous and CC is just as good, so it's not like Vanar's gone to shit.
>i know stuff was changed
>vanar cards are still pretty great, hailstone just as devastating to tempo if you play it right
?? No fucking shit, but why the hell were you bitching about changes if you haven't actually tried the new meta? Did you read the fucking patch notes and actually realise that the game is much different than it was before or are you just retarded?
Meh, I liked it better when I could draw two a time. Now it feels like any other card game.
>>136970000
Nice quads.
Also, it's not too bad. It seems to have killed a lot of the cancer from last month's meta.
>>136970115
cancer like decks you don't like?
>>136969909
>i'm not saying the changes/game is good
>defends the changes to the hardest of his ability
what the fuck is the point your entire defensive post about? what are you so confused about? i made my points pretty clear, you're the one with reading comprehension issues
again, ded gaem, ded general and changing core concepts of the game will just make it worse and more bland (like hearthstone)
>>136970670
Cancer like the stupidly overused stuff that everyone else (particularly from this general) seemed to hate, like the hailstone spam and whatnot. Songhai is also slower now, so that's a thing.
I personally never minded hailstone, but then again Vanar is one of my mains.
>>136971145
I'm not shilling for the game, I'm trying to understand your fuckheaded response. Every single thing you said in your response was either pulled out of your arse or irrelevant.
I'm not saying the game has gotten better or was even good in the first place. I just don't like it when toddlers shove away things they haven't even fucking tried.
>>136968221
I get that you were waiting to DE cards for full value, but why didn't you craft anything with your spirits? do you have a complete collection or what
>>136968293
>thinking vet has the most powerful tool in the game now
hahahaha
>>136970000
still has the replace function which is pretty unique
>>136954865
I mean its cool and all but ive been waiting for an expansion to spend my 3k gold on.
>>136972808
my collection is far from complete but I'm just waiting for that expansion to spend my dust. There were some other people like >>136972884
too who are just waiting to spend their gold and dust since there isn't really that much that's appealing.
>got a spelljammer from the cheevo
>cant disenchant it for 900 because they want you to do the soft reset
>it wont get disenchanted because its a cheevo card
This fucker really is going to rot in my collection forever isnt it?
>>136973190
true. guess getting the orbs is not always the better option
>>136973636
it's actually semi-decent now and has a sweet animation but I feel ya. got a black locust from mine that I instantly DE no regrets. could have probably made some gimmicky combos with inner focus but it wasn't even worth it
>>136975290
Im no aggro shitter though so its fairly pointless. Interesting that their solution for aggro was to force them into weakening their decks with draw engines. Makes sense. They nerfed my emerald waifu though so i dont know how to feel about it. I just want to see what the expansion has in store.
why did they make the game worse
why did they do that
>>136976854
I thought aggro was dead in this game since healing mystics and rejuvenators were staples in every deck but they werent, now they're likely dead for good. I'm a bit surprised though that they didn't reduce deck size since even before the change games never went to fatigue and I played some long ass lyonar matches.
they said that game is nearing end of beta so I assume they will release first expansion when it's over. really wish they would preview some of the faction cards they have planned since neutrals oversaturate the game
>playing aggro Magmar in new near-meta (rank 5)
>actually havingfun
Wow. Either no one's reworked their decks or this is really good.
>>136979638
>playing Magmar with an aggro version
It's official. I don't know how to play this game anymore. I've gone from rank 6 all the way back to 10.
>>136982167
I'm guessing it's because of the patch changes? You should probably theorycraft some new decks (hint: divine bond is the new broken shit)
>>136982167
I havent played since they nerfed aoe and honestly my deck is performing about the same. I just cut the sundrops and the suntide maidens
Now that you can actually have an empty hand I cant find the room for such a low impact card. Ive just got a casual z'ir for my run-ins with aggro.
>>136982167
I'm climbing super easy now with Lyonar. I've been stuck in Diamond this month, but now I might actually get out.
>>136983695
>new
>Nightsorrow Assassin - Stats changd to 2/1. Text changed to "Opening Gambit: Destroy a nearby enemy minion with 2 or less attack."
Best change imo.
Everyone is running Zen'Rui.
Gonna reset this shit.
Wish me luck!
>>136991062
How many orbs are you getting? I got about 25 or so legendaries for 116 packs. Kind of disappointed since I had more before, but it felt good.
>>136991258
52.
I've only played for a few months and barely touched the game in February.
Yeah it definitely feels good to open orbs.
>>136991258
10 orbs in and I havent got a single legendary. Did they nerf the drop rates?
>>136991492
I don't think so. It should be the same rates, my friend opened only like 50 packs and got almost as much legendaries as me.
>>136992003
Eh. I got a few legendaries in a row. They're shit ones though
I kind of wish I kept my collection now. Oh well.
>>136992137
If you only had 10 orbs then consider just making a new account and get all those free orbs again if you're concerned about the cards you have.
GUYS
HOLY SHIT GUYS
IS WIND SHRIKE VIABLE NOW
This is honestly the change I wanted. I hated that 2 draws per turn mechanic from day 1.
I think it's cool because any person that complains can be immediately outed as a bad player. Game is much better now.
Still needs an actually good vanilla 3/4 3 drop, and good class minions outside of lyonar, but otherwise we're improving
>>136993828
4/5 drops in general are much better now
>>136993097
Nah I had 52 orbs. I'm just annoyed my collection is fairly shitty compared to what I had. But eh, no risk no reward.
>>136993828
I've been running it. It's pretty good.
>>136994009
The 2 draw thing was stupid. I'd see my opponent play 200 cards a turn or whatever then I'd think "Well at least I can out value them now. Oh wait, nvm they have 6 cards still".
>>136994682
>>136994009
duelyst is my first card game. you have no idea how much of a culture shock this shit is having on me. it's a good thing you can't drop tiers or I'd probably be back at the start of bronze by now
![Sun_Seer[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/J0xe9I7.png "Sun_Seer[1].png")
My nigga sun seer gonna do some work in this meta I bet
>>136995162
Why? It doesn't seem that great of a 3-drop. The effect doesn't feel strong enough to compete with the other ones.
>Barely draw this card with 2 draws a turn
>Now you only draw one card a turn this guy isn't going to show up
Welp.
>>136995310
It can trade with 3/3s, which all the 2/3s people are running towards won't be able to do.
Combined with the free general attack it gives you thanks to the healing, it gives strong early game value
It'll depend on what 2 and 3 drops people end up playing, but I can see his above average body being possibly pretty effective
>>136995429
>implying people played him prior to the patch
>>136995429
he was shit then he's shit now
Not that much of a change
>>136995429
what if it was "replace any card" and was a 9-drop
>>136996127
>what if it was "replace any card" and was a 9-drop
It would maybe then see play. I would definitely try it out.
qwqw
i don't know how to feel.I can see why the draw change can be beneficial to the game, but i am disappointed that the game lost a bit of what made it unique and different.
i loved the 2 card draw and it helped deck stabilize and rely less on "topdecking".
it also ensured plenty of things happening on the battlefield( basically they have halved the amount of creatures you place in the battlefield lategame, possibly dumbing down strategical use of the map).
i would have loved to see them taking another direction: for example setting max mana crystals at 10 ( 7 + 3), having none or almost no card that costs more than 7, putting general health at 30( with buff to songay to not make burn decks suck) to allow you to reach those turns would have allowed you to keep talking about the " card value" argument.
>>137005084
I was hoping for the change to make it a max of 2 copies for a card or something like that.
>nerf vet to shit
>change one card in the latest patch
Granted it does look like it's meant for an Artifact Vet but still, what the fuck is wrong with Counterplay?
>>137005573
>wanting no deck consistency
that would be evil. getting up to 4 would already be beneficial, aside for the fact we don't have enough card variety to stop decks from running too much of the same few neutral cards.
No idea whether or not should I do the soft reset. I've been playing for several seasons, first mained Abyssian with the Sarlac deck when it was the shit, then switched to Vetruvian for the SF+TW combo and then TW Blast shenanigans.
Dusted a whole bunch of all other class cards, a lot of them had legendaries but I'm not sure if I should do it since I have almost all Vet cards and 6k spirit.
>>137006663
i am not sure but i think you might lose out on all the dust you ever got on gauntlet.
the only reason to do the soft reset are if you definitely have a really high rate of shit/no legendaries rares to playable ones.
you don't even know what faction you will play next because with big changes ahead and the meta shifting in the next weeks you might find yourself deeply in love with a faction you were hating before.
>>137006961
That's the thing, I can only play Vet at this moment because every other faction card was dusted. If I'm to make a switch I'd have to sacrifice too much or just grind more spirit to construct it.
However there's no guarantee that what the packs I get back will contain nearly as much valuable cards as I currently have in the form of Vet purples and legendaries.
>>137007063
dusting is mostly a loss of value as you get 1/5th of the same rarity.
if you dusted a lot of cards to quickly make a deck then you should be glad to get them back and you can still dust the new ones again and make another, different, deck.
i'd say soft reset.
>>137007447
Alright, fuck it. I've given up on this game already so I might as well have more things to play around with in this mess.
Let's see what I'll get.
>>137007716
if you can record legendary and epic drop rates ( note: not from inventory since you have gauntlet rewards already there) there are people trying to find it out.
>>137008667
Didn't catch all of them, but there's 60 pack openings on shadowplay I got.
I could upload it somewhere if anyone actually wants to see it.
Here's what I got in terms of Epics and Legendaries. Can't tell how I feel about this since Duelyst is basically a new game now with the latest patch.
>>137009467
keeper of the value and arclyte, as well as most lategame 7 drop probably got way better..
I'm alright with the new rule but fuck these card changes. what the hell were they thinking changing vetruvian's time maelstrom? thats like his only saving grace
>>137012454
Here are the rest of the cards if anyone wants to know what 96 orbs can look ike.
>no more 2 draw
Why get rid of the thing that actually separates Duelyst from other games?
>>137015073
Overextending/shitting out threats never put the player into disadvantage since they get 2 cards back instead of one.
>>137015331
This. It made every match the same and was boring af
>tfw I have 35 orbs, 14000 gold and 9500 spirit just waiting for the expansion/steam release
and now what, I do the soft collection reset too or no?
;_;
>>137021968
you lose all your spirit if you soft reset
>>137022136
but I have no spirit... to life anymore..
Is magmar still kill?
Is vet still 6 feet under?
Midrange lyonar viable?
>>137023617
Magmar is very strong now since it has a bunch of slow/high value cards that benefit from patch. Songhai and Vet tho..
>>137026181
>SOngoloid slain
>Big bara lizards at it again
YES
Can I play "Remove everything->Mpreglizard->gangbang" again?
lyonar is so fucking dank right now
as a lyonar main i much prefer this system because now the games only last a few minutes - whereas before i was literally playing 90% of my cards in a slow as fuck slugfest
2 "draws" with the one normal one plus the replace should be more than enough for people to do all sorts of cool things, but three? fuck off with that gameplay - literally everything gets countered
>we want the hearthstone audience
>but we kept the 6 card hand limit
Shitty change like this to be honest.
Also literally why even pic related? No one played Golems.
>>137028376
I would've played golem this patch if they didn't nerf that, honestly.
>>137028376
usually changes like this means they tested it out and the deck was too dank to be kept like that
>>137028376
as if golems were ever viable. they were basically there for the sake of new players who started and didn't want to feel left out
r8 memedeck.
>Win via elucicombo
Or
>Win via MASSIVE twinfang damage
Draw engine using a kujata/flash to spam a bunch of 1 health minions (that die ASAP and net you cards) to get your combo pieces.
>>137036965
You should consider shadow tracers for the scenario where the general is out of reach of your twin fang combo.
>>137013913
Same. Celerity on a general is only really great if you've got decent artefacts or really need distance.
>>137036965
you might wanna include makantor and pahlanxar they fit the theme of your deck
agies barrier is soooo dank
>>137041874
Iffy on the palax, too high of a cost (2-3, unsure now).
>>137028376
they probably have more golem cards for the expansion. But as of now, this card just sucks so much.
>>137042684
Weirdly i havent seen much at all in the way of hard removal, just silence
>>137042903
Its a 2 drop, either you go even and it trades with another 2 drop(at worst) or it does 6 to face so youre getting value in an aggro deck to begin with.
>>137043169
Maybe instead of the saberspines.
>>137043169
the one mana cycle makes it perfect and it stops any targeted shenanigans that dont even have to be removal
combine that with two mana divine bond and you are in the dank zone
>>137043369
why not both
>>137042684
I just looked up the card and wow it seems way too undercosted. it basically prevents silence/removal effects? Just when I thought mechaz0r shenanigans are gone
>>137045410
it prevents any targeted spells that you use out of hand, so you can still silence with aoe or opening gambits
the key thing which makes it specifically good now is the cycle
haven't played since the keeper of the vale introduction
what all is new that's of note? i've read the newest patch and am interested in getting back into thingswas a magmar/vet player
>>137046227
Vet is dead on arrival
Mag used to be dead but is reborn as cancerous hyper-aggro
Songhai doesnt exist
Abyssian's 4-1 rush was changed to destroy 3 attack minions when summoned so lyonar was dead but its been fixed
Speaking of abyssian theyre now top dog thanks to undervault
Dont know anything about vanar actually.
Lyonar remains decent as he always has.
>>137046227
a lot of things have changed. Keeper stats were heavily nerfed no one uses it now, jaxi, MoS and a bunch of other broken cards like STW also got changed. Add to that the new rule change that allows you to draw 1 card and hold 5 every match and the play style feels vastly different. Vet now has by far the best draw mechanics and Magmar just got a decent one too. I'd say it's worth checking out since it's drastically altered the way games are played
So I did the soft reset and got like 4 aymara healers, 2 astral crusaders, 2 aegis barriers 2 crysalys burst etc...
I regret this shit and I will obviously DE most of it to make the most cancerous shit ever to humiliate people and throw frustrations upon them, any predictions on the new OP deck? and please for the love of God don't say control Magmar
>>137048337
Weeny Vet. Two drops only with the exception of Obelysks.
>Sunsteel defender
That is way too tasty for songhai.
Wellp, songhai is fucking dead. I mained that faction with egyptian catgirls and I have full songhai collection so I guess I'll soft reset. Opening orbs is fun as shit anyways.
Vet is still dead with absolutely no changes, draw isn't enough when your creatures are this shit. WP CP. Will keep playing them to be a hipster
Magmar looks weaird, new mana burn is still trash
Lyonnar is now completely fucking broken
Abyssian didn't get a single nerf.
shit patch might kill the game for me.
>>137049651
why? I only thought about how great he'd be in Magmar since you get him out with flash reincarnation without any penalty
>>137051042
>all of the best sprites are on the shittest cards
>>137049058
currently 3-0 with something along this lines @ rank 10. the board presence is overwhelming and there's buffs coming out of my ass. no second wish needed. might be good
>>137051958
>that card
>bad
Maybe not a 10/10, but saying that it's bad is going to far. It reminds me of stuff like dioltas which is played from time to time
>>137052769
Its a 5 drop that will never ever last a turn on the board.
Its going to trade 1 card for 1 card(Or less if he plays a dispel minion) and then be slapped by the general.
Duelyst is slower now but you cant have a 5 drop with that little imact
>>137050854
>Abyssian didn't get a single nerf.
Sure? the new nightsorrow sure looks nerfed to me, as well as Rite of the underwawawa
>>137051042
If it lives a turn, you can buff him with even just a Saberspine seal and slap the enemy general for 16.
>>137053165
Nightsorrow woks wonders with the new blood siren, which also works wonders with zenrui which is now an amazing card since you will have less board presence in general. Previous was broken, yes, but the new one is still very fucking good
>>137053143
Maybe dropping him in the corner? Dunno man, I just want him to work
>>137048337
Divine Bondage Lyonar. drop minions that get huge from divine bond, hope they stick and when they do hit face for 8+ damage or more if celerity. cheesy but hey I'm on 4+ win streak with it
>>137047117
>Mag used to be dead but is reborn as cancerous hyper-aggro
Why.
No more control mag viable?
>>137045410
>why not both
Because he's a 3drop that really brings nearly nothing to the table
>>137055478
Plasmastorm and meta got nerfed and their silence got replaced with a garbage new card. You tell me.
>>137055051
pretty much like before the patch?
what's your stance on aegis barrier?
>>137055954
WHY.
Fucking crying shitters. They ruined the game.
>late night tired from work, decided to check duelyst
>Decided to use the soft reset since I mostly bought orbs and shit, this will get me some new decks
>Jump straight into it without thinking
>Opening them, getting some legos
>Glad at the elders
>70 orbs later I realize something
>You get to keep the dust that you had before
>I just lost like +10000 dust for no good reason
This is it, this is the uninstall point for me and I brought it upon myself. Bye bye love, bye bye happiness
>>137057173
I'm so sorry
>>137057329
It seems kind of obvious when you stop and think about it, but my brain just kind of assumed that I would be getting the spirit with the soft reset
I'm tempted to make a post in the official forum about it but I doubt that support will do anything
>>137055989
yea, divine bond was ridiculous at 3 mana but now that it was reduced to 2 it's so easy to get OTK from double cast. Aegis barrier is very good but I don't run any in my deck cause the turn I cast divine bonds they're dead and the extra card is irrelevant. It could work but I don't need it
>>137055646
It's been changed to a 2 drop with 6 attack that will worst case remove a minion or deal 6 damage to general
>>137058229
I meant saberspine.
>>137058959
it's a 3 mana deal 4 damage, pretty decent especially for an aggro deck
>>137060915
>agro
it's a combo deck anon.
>>137051958
Right on.
RIP you beautiful bastard.
>>137057329
Idiot who broke his collection for no reason here, you know what? I won't give up. I still have three worthwhile decks right now to play with. So what if I can't play vet since I fucked up and traded my aymaras for oserix? I finally have a good lyonar deck. I will heal to victory fuck everything.
>>137061414
oh, you make a good point then
>>137061802
If you wanna keep at it cause you enjoy the game, then more power to you man! It's pretty easy to get orbs in this game so while your mistake caused a big setback you can recover from it
>>137061802
Long time lyonar player here, Honestly i think healing is dead. Lyonar doesnt have any viable draw engines and sundrops arent worth much and empty your hand rapidly.
Then without sundrops sunrisers arent worth it anymore either. Just go for value.
Game is actually fun again, loving these changes.
>People actually complaining about Abyssian being too strong
They literally got dicked this patch l m a o
>>136984860
Wong is that you?
Maw, Primus and Songweaver are really solid now. I wish I would play against more than just Lyonar and Magmar right now. I'm a bit blasted that all the Abyssian legendaries I didn't have before are the good ones now, and I'm gonna miss Sarlac. Also can any other Abyssian friends confirm if Deepfire Devourer is any good now? I'm considering putting it in my deck, but Frenzy doesn't help much vs Magmar and Lyonar.
>>137066501
>Game is fun
game will never be as fun as pre-new year's destruction.
>>137066712
I actually think it's more fun than ever. The reason why is along with the soft reset I'm able to experiment with legendaries that were trash with the 2 draw. Pandora is pretty solid now for example. Not talking about faction balance but card balance especially the balance of high and low mana is pretty fucking balanced with these changes.
>>137066657
Nah, dukeofdunks, also primus was good before hes just viable in more decks now
>deepfire devourer
Wraithlings/weenies were never good and that remains true still. I imagine in the expansion abyss is going to get more cards for their wraithlings
>>137067476
>Wraithlings/weenies were never good
One day I want to believe a token deck can be real, but that day will not come with a two mana tempest walking the streets.
>>137066501
Now if only they would pay more attention to gauntlet.
Abyssian is still pretty damn strong, reaper of nine moons, vorpal reaver, spectral revenant and blade are among the best faction cards.
>keep getting error trying to update this shite
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>137070102
yea the update is BS in this game for some reason. took me 1.5 hours to update with multiple failures and I can download SC2 in that time with my connection
>>137071938
That's surprising. Updating is a breeze for me, around 1 or 2 minutes.
I'm really liking saberspine+diretide now. it's a cheaper and better makantor
>>137074691
It has its flaws
>>137074691
Makantors real value is in hitting the general leaving a 4-2 alive in addition to get value by killing a minion. You dont get that with saberspine and its also a combo which leaves your hand empty in a faction with no card draw
>>137074932
>>137075531
that's true, I was just indicating how good diretide frenzy is now that it's 1 mana less. It almost feels like makantor is obsolete
>>137077329
oh, I didn't notice that change.
Thanks Counterplay
>>137077717
looks like you have been... counterplayed!
>>137077717
Atleast you didnt have five spells in hand with a deck that has 10 spells.
And then get more spells over two turns when you replace them
>>137077717
That's far from bad result. Healing mystics are always good.
how the fuck am I doing this well with this trash? I had a Vanar run with 6x hailstone prisons and fenrirs and the best I got was 5 wins..
>>137057173
>Any other in your collection will be removed.
>Crafting Spirit is set to 0.
You can't gain anything from the reset, other than from RNG, or am I wrong?
>>137084015
You're not
