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>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Latest patch: http://www.dota2.com/springcleaning
New players: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/
Wiki: http://www.dota2.gamepedia.com/
Blog: http://blog.dota2.com/
Lore: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=35923
Guides: http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/guides
Cosmetic simulator: http://d2armory.com/
Competitive Scene: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Main_Page

>STATISTICS
Competitive DOTA 2 analysis:
http://www.datdota.com/

DOTA 2 analysis:
http://www.dotametrics.wordpress.com/
Personal statistics: http://www.dotabuff.com/
Personal statistics#2: http://yasp.co
Hero stats: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/heroes/herodata/
Hero and DPS calculator: http://www.devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/

>NEWS & STREAMS
http://www.joindota.com/
http://www.gosugamers.net/
http://www.liquiddota.com/
livestreamer GUI: https://github.com/bastimeyer/livestreamer-twitch-gui
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>>136207552
to lower skillcap so 2k mmr will be average number
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PELASE ADD
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This game is dead
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anime
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Guys I miss Soe
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will team secret usher in a new era of NA/EU cooperation to stop the marauding chinese and koreans, or will it crash and burn in a flurry of nationalistic fingerpointing?

FIND OUT NEXT TIME
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>>136207707
You know where to find her
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>the only good NA team has EE on it
TI6 is coming back to Europe senpaitachi
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does he have a point?
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Hey, I don't like X, therefore X=Reddit.
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>tfw you believed in the Puppey +4 retards secret when no one else did
>tfw your belief got rewarded
>tfw it got ripped to shreds straight after
>This secret will implode and crumble like the previous one

Is anyone else feeling like this? I'm not sure whether to support secret anymore.
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>>136207853
No muh drama
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>>136207707
>Wanting Womanlets.

Lol, 1.45cms or something like that. my dick would rip right throught her lungs.
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>>136207853
why is he RANDOMLY capitalizing words?
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>>136207853
literally who?
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>w33 played out of his fucking mind at Shanghai
>gets kicked

Is Arteezy really worth it?
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WHAT DID THEY MEAN BY THIS
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>>136207850
Chink, Uzbek, DESIGNATED, Slav, Swede. Sure mate, NA.
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>>136207853
it would make sense if the players aren't actual children and instead rational human beans.
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What's wrong with scripting?
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How do we make him playable?
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>>136207853
It's fucking inane point, completely ignoring the circumstances
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Who is the master drafter now? He literally drafted ppd's players.
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>>136207707
Hahhah she looks just like Black^ when she laughs
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funnek plz
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>>136207970
pitlord is really garbage and i dont think he was ever that good in DotA.
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post it
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>>136208007
Under-rated post.
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>>136208032

only literally autistic dave sirlin cocksuckers script dude
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>>136207920
Even at 1.45m tall, the distance from a vagina and a lung isnt 2 inches bro
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>>136208105
I hate him now. I hate him
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Post yfw the dream is real now we only need to get SingSing back
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>>136208105
kek, na shitters are so mad they are trying to claim secret as their team
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IF YOU LEVEL UP SUN BEAM BEFORE FIRE SPIRITS AND DIVE

ON PHOENIX

YOU DESERVE

TO BE PUBLICALLY HANGED

FUCK YOU
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>>136208051
Set a damage treshold to the sleep being broken.
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>newfag yurocancer act like they aren't reddit
top lel
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Saahil... ;_;
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>>136208347
u mad son
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someone link me the stream please i lost it
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>>136207920
short girls are cute
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Why are not practicing right now senpaitachi
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>>136208204
pitlord used to be the best pusher in the game before firestorm/expulsion got nerfed into the ground dude
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>>136207952
Yes. When Secret fails, people might finally realize that RTZ is team poison.
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>>136208442
The love of my life is short. So I can confirm
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>the best Secret roster ever
>lol lets change it
WTF GUYS ?
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>>136207952
No
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>>136208409
Good thing he went to a EU team so he can shine again, I feel bad for Fear tho
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3/5 = 60% :^)
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>>136208347
Maxing it before spirits is retarded
Icarus dive is shit beyond the first skill point. Seriously surprised more people don't just put a value point and then max at level 25, especially with phoenix's manapool and squishyness
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>>136208436
please respond
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>we'll never find out what ppd did to make his teammates leave him
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>>136208628
>W33tard
>FagTA

Lmao so glad they booted those shitters, all they did was subpar plays. Obviously Puppey knew it was the right decision before their incompetence started to affect the outcome of the next tournaments.
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How fucking funny is it that americucks were heralding PPD as their master and hero and now after these changes they are trying desperately to jump ship to the Secret bandwagon

Puppey sure cucked the burgers good

Now PPD is completely left in the dust and the burgers try to pretend they didn't spend over 2 years sucking his dick
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>two days until I finally play Pit Lord
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WHERE
IS
THE
PPD
POSTER
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How is SingSing playing Dark Souls 3?
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>>136208347
huge range and it also heals your teammates ganking with you, what's wrong with it?
>b-but muh percentage optimization
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>>136208757
as most of NA HoN shitters PPD is an arrogant pain to work with.
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>>136208628
Not the best, simply the most successful
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>>136208757
ppd had a rep for being a self-righteous prick in hon
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>>136208845
With his PC
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>there are zero (0) tier 1 NA teams
just cuck my region up!
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>>136208817
PPD+EG is literally the only thing NAdota had to offer. of course burgers are getting desperate now
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>>136208757
salt isn't just a meme
Also because his drafting has been straight garbage
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IMPORTANT QUESTION
>IMPORTANT QUESTION

fn vs rtz 1v1 when?

IMPORTANT QUESTION
>IMPORTANT QUESTION
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>>136208991
i think secret and mvp count
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>>136208757

wuts up with these newshits not knowing anything about hon players

ppd is a little toxic hon shitter who did nothing but get bodied by glorious yuro fntc fuccbois
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>>136209027
There is a reason
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>he might be posting right this very moment
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Who here still has faith in ppd?

He literally turned a tier 3 team into winning TI.

He's goodpuppey.
He can take any trash team and make them the best in the world.
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>>136209076
Now this is desperation
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>>136208691
>please respond
PLEASE RESPOND
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what makes NA core players so good, that major winning euros will be kicked in an instant for them?
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It literally makes no sense that Fear and Sumail would leave EG

where the fuck did you even get this idea
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>>136209076
>any team with EE in it
>gooks
>tier one
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>>136209027
that pathetic stubble rofl
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>puppey literally drafted ppd's players
The draft war has been won.
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why does arteezy keep oscillating between EG and Secret faster than Donald Trump oscillates on foreign policy and Israel?
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>wear MAGA hat ironically
>lose finals, lose teammates

UNSTUMPED
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>>136208007
KEK'D HUMAN BEANS.... I LIKE HOW R/DOTURD2 ON SUICIDE WATCH FUCK THE DOTURD2 SUPREMACY SUB R/DOTURDSMASTERFAG IS ALSO ON FIRE.... FEELS GOOD MAN.... HOLY KEKS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR SIR ACTION FAG WRITING A MINI NOVELA ON HOW HE LOVES SUCKING GABEN COCK....
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Post the most powerful

INT
STR
AGI

heroes
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>>136209027
>>136209329
he's about as low test as it comes

i mean the guy has no chin either and that's one of the facial features that is largely controlled by testosterone
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>>136209227
>spectre
>humanoid features

disgusting, absolutely so
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>>136208838
so ass ravaged he probably had a stroke
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Fear
Sumail
Yawar
Aui
PPD
Sub: Zai (will replace Yawar at TI)

new DC lineup
mason here
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>>136208628
>the best
>lost to a tier 4 team

LOL
O
L
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>>136209257
Now they just need a carry and an offlaner
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>>136209227
respond
e
s
p
o
n
d
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hey guys, i'm a 4.4k NA core player, so i should expect my invite to liquid/OG any day now, right?

i'm sure i would perform better than n0skill and memetumbaman
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>>136209541
This team is shit.
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>>136209541
PPD this is the new EG line up you mean.
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>>136209201
He took tier 1 players and made a tier 1 team. If he took Demon to TI5 then maybe I'd be more impressed. Now his team has abandoned him and he ran out of NA talent so he's probably going to take EU players in.
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HAHAHAHHHAHAHA THEY DID IT, THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN
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>>136209541
yawar is trash
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>>136208420
>>136208681
>>136208861
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/29099703/matches?date=&hero=phoenix&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&faction=&duration=&enjoyment=any&timezone=Pacific%2FPago_Pago

not a single chance that maxing sun beam first will give you better results
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>>136209679
Matumba is a wicked carry. What the hell are you on?
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>>136209793
epig :d
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>>136209793

fake and gay
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>loved by everyone
>literal genius
>no dramas
>grateful for everything
>stable relationship(proves he is a fine lad)
>won TI
>consistent as fuck
>aryan

is he the ultimate ideal dotard?
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>>136209793
What???????? YOU PHOTOSHOPPER?
It can't be.
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>>136209793
Nice try kid.
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>>136209679
sending your friend request now
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>>136209463
Ogre Magi
Earthshaker
Faceless Void
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>>136209793
>no #bleedblue
nah
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>>136209651
please for goodness sake
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>>136207707
actually has really ugly facial animations/laughter. like her mouth is always drawing back in an evil sneer

don't trust ze germanz
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>>136209945
>loved by everyone
Not really. I don't especially like him and I'm even Swedish.
>no dramas
To pussy to take a stance
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new EG:

ppd
demon
fluff
TC
w33ha
misery

ppd becomes coach
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>>136209945
>made less money from TI than I do in a year, thanks to swedish taxation on winnings
>can only play chen

lmao tbqh
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>>136209679
Are you free this weekend? Can you come over my house and fuck my wife?
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>>136210061

>Not really. I don't especially like him and I'm even Swedish.

varför?
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MingLee
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>>136210079
TC
>TC
TC
>TC
enough said.
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>>136209679
Can you fuck my sister? She's black though.
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EG.Black^
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>>136210012
i am begging you like a cheap slut begs for dick
respond to me
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Let It All Out Of You
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>>136208347
PURE
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>>136210243
Black already has a team
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Sumail and Fear didn't leave EG. All PPD needs is an offlaner and a carry
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>tfw you turned into a shitrekt fangay overnight
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>>136210294
Post butt
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>>136210407
>being a fan of teams instead of players

cancer
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hey fellas it's your guy p p d here

I'm actually going to hire some new NA promises since I've grown tired of egos

stay tuned

#bleedblue
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>>136210449
um....
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>>136210369
>all ppd needs is a carry
he already has the best one there is silly

and guess who just happend to finish his school, you guessed that right, the best offlaner in the entire world - zai.

all he needs is a support, not sure who he will get, but does it really matter when you have the best mid best offlaner and best carry in the world in the same team?
im sure i could support them and still win desu
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>>136210149
Jag var neutral gällande honom när Alliance var som bäst, och på senare tid har jag börjat ogilla honom på grund av hur han har betett sig I vissa kontroversiella frågor, som representation av kvinnor i dota-scenen. Men jag menar, det är mest lite kvarliggande irritation.
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>>136210502
Post it cutie
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>>136210496
EG.ritsu
habbening
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>Go on the Test client to see how shit Visage is
>He's fucking atrocious

VALVE WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?
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>>136210496
That would be okay by me honestly. There's no shame in wanting to start from the bottom and bring in new talent.
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>>136210637
.>///<
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>>136210496
Moo
Ritsu
Mason

Make it happen nigger
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>>136210369

>implying they don't have the #1 carry already

they just need a position 4 and some space making offlaner
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>>136210657
even if it was a bug, why the fuck not leaving it as is? familiar now are literally farm for the enemy
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EG.MSS
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>>136210639
Ritsu is awesome. But Fear would rather play carry.
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>w33 on suicide watch
>puppey please
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>>136208007
Yeah, but the stability shouldn't be taken for granite.
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>>136210676
problem with that is that there might be no talent conisdering DC tried many many players and ended up importing russians

and not to even mention CoL that people say litearlly tried more than a hundred before getting swedes, col had a new lineup every week back then
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>>136210056
shes not german you retard
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>>136210061
not to mention

>how come the panel isn't 50% women YOU ARE ALL SEXIST PIGS GO TO HELL

meanwhile this swede cuck is prepping Ahmed to pound his gf
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>new EG Roster
>PPD
>Sumail
>CLQ
>Badman
>!Attacker
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>>136210783

because you based retard the patch is also coming soon so he will just buff them HELLO
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guys

eg.ixmike88
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How did lycan wolves change?

Also are new binds able to be set before match or what?

This all seems pretty tame
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I didn't realize that the price of a tournament without Kotlguy would be fucking Slacks. There's no winning this game.
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so, it seems kingraven and mason are united with ppd. who will be +2?
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>>136207909
>tfw I believed in PPY + 4
>dunno what to believe anymore

if they don't rebel against PPY, it should be OK, because he litterally took 4 shitters and won a major with them.
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>>136210978
>german face
>german name
>sounds german

whatever she is she's close enough
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EG insiderman here

>it's all a ruse by OURGUY PPD to destroy Team Secret for TI6
>just a reminder that Team Secret players have no contracts
>Team Secret will likely go on to win Manila, this is a hit that PPD is willing to take
>Fear and Sumail will play on DC, PPD will join Bone7's team and everyone will believe that EG is dead for good.
>The day of TI6 roster locks, PPD will remake EG with Zai 4, Fear Coach, Sumail Mid. Universe and RTZ will leave Secret and rejoin EG. This will ensure that Secret, DC, Bone7's team and whatever team Zai plays on from when he come back to the DotA 2 scene until now are all fucked for their TI6 roster.
>This is the "Something new that will be turning a lot of heads" that PPD was talking about in his video.

Giddy up.
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DUDE
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To minimize shitposting I hereby claim New Secret for Canada. No more of this NA shit. Bleed Red and White.
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>>136210783
>Impossible to stun moving targets with familars
>Ranged heroes can just kill them before they stun

Good shit.

They need like +30 MS and +2 Damage to kill or some shit.
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Peter Dager.

The truth is...
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>>136210710
I want to fuck you so badly
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>>136211149
>kingraven
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Guys, do you think ethereal blade deserves buff? Or would it make morph op?
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>>136211127
why not
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Jesus christ I hate wagafagga I want to punch him so hard in the ear.

Fucking boring faggot fuck polite nigger dick shit cockmuncher
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Didn't Zai say he will never play with pdd again? I doubt Zai will go back to eg
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anyone have that old picture of sing and dendi saying "dendi? dendi pls"
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>>136211184
I thought this roster lock lasted till TI?
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Any news from PPD?
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>>136211458
yeah, I have it
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>>136211184

>being this deluded.

you know that these roster locks are till the end of ti6 right

even then based cuck ppd will probably poach archon and tier 2 players such as cucknstuff for the new eg
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>>136211409
He did? That seems like a pretty strong statement to make as an pro
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>>136211371
I think it's pretty fine.
Just keep it how it is and nerf other stuff.
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>>136211391
>open stream
>swedish guy

well what did you expect senpai
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the guy who posted that was a prophet:
>EG will fall apart first game when rrz and sumail go for the same stack xsd xdd XDD XDD XDD XDD XDD XDD XDD simply Ebin Peter the man who forgot what farm is dagger you stupid fucking you can't draft more stacks fuckd fjckdjfk dufk you argdhdhhdhd fuck you I'm bleeding red
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>>136210636
Man behöver inte hålla med personers politiska ideologi för att tycka om dem.
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>>136211486
People who don't think Valve will make an exception for EG are clueless. They will be given extra time.

Valve is going to frown upon this type of disruptive poaching very, very strongly and I wouldn't doubt that Secret will suffer some kind of penalty for it.

That being said, the owner of Secret doesn't understand a thing about branding. How can I root for a team that tries to destroy another organization? Destroy them on summoner's rift, not in the pages of contracts..
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>>136211469

right here man what do you want to know?
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>>136211480
POST IT
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>>136211469
yeah he killed himself
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>Not even League of Legends shows tower aggro ranges.

Dotards???
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>>136211490
Cmon it's Zai, that guy goes full emo at ti5
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>>136211542
Nej, men personer som envisas med att föra felaktiga resonemang av ideologiska skäl är svåra att gilla.
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>>136211602
You are just assblasted.
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>cuck
>cuck cuck
>cuck cuck cuck
>cuck cuck
>cuck
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what is siractionslacks puropose on that panel? all he does is looking stupid.
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>>136211602

there are no words to express the level of delusion and anal annhilation this NACuck is feeling
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>EG SUPPORTS TRUMP
>THEIR FOREIGNERS IMMEDIATELY LEAVE FOR EUROPE

WELL YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED, NOW GO MAKE NA DOTA GREAT AGAIN
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>>136211469
I hope not
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SUGAR
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>>136211705
cuck cuck
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>>136211602

>poaching

ayylmao
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>wake up
>no sheever on the panel


uugugghgghghhghg dudebros?
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Why doesn't ppd just grab misery and w33?
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>>136211715

he is the meme envoyee, the guy to bring us all the dank memes we all love. A real hero and a real human bean xD.

EDIT: wow thanks for the gold kind stranger!

EDIT2: reddit frontpage we did it guys!!!
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is Arteezy nu-Pajkatt?

literally every team he's in falls apart
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>>136211846
she's right there you fucking retard
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>NA TEAM
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>>136211689
>>136211748
I don't even like EG or root for them whatsoever. Shit like this is bad for the sport though, and valve WILL give them a roster lock exception.

Without ANY doubt whatsoever. EG is one of the biggest organizations in esports and they will act like huge pissbabies over this, and they will get their way
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Is bitch actually drunk on an alcopop? Holy shit i never ever knew danish chicks were so easy
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>casualized every patch thanks to le reddit
>dead custom game scene
>filled with third worlders
>poorly run events
>takes 8 months to get a new hero
>shitty compendiums/battle passes
why do you still play this shitty dead game
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>>136211986

>tfw a turk looks whiter than entire secret roster

just ebin
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SECRET JUST EXPELLED 2 PLAYERS THAT EG NEEDS. PPD SHOULD DRAFT THEM IMMEDIATELY. I'll cheer for EG even though I hate America if this happens.
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>>136212074
>dead custom game scene

This is false
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>>136211847

becuase its litearlly 3 days before the lock and if he does he is FORCED to play with them next half a year

what if they are worse than aui, tha the felt he had to kick even after literally winning TI

they tried a lot of players before going for sumail, he will prolly go for them before just blindly accepting people he never even played with

as of now both w33 and misery were asked by No Diggity (qojqva era stack) if they want to play.
their offlaner, khezzu, said so becuase he knows if even one says yes he will get kicked.
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>>136211174
she's Swiss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5PGZgYaUs
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>>136207853

Why does he capitalize words in the middle of a sentence?

DOES he feel THE NEED to do this?
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>>136212074
what should I move on to?
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ITS OFFICIAL THEY EVEN HAVE SHIRTS ALREADY
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>>136212104
>EG becomes 3/5 Euro
>Secret becomes 3/5 NA

>both regions will try to claim both teams as "theirs"
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>>136212156
anime
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What do we need to make dota great again? I'll tell you what, hear me out.

We need to make Dota like Wikipedia or Linux. Enough being a hostage to multibillion dollar fat knifecollecting person.
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>>136212134
How many languages does that woman speak?
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>>136211986
Jesus his belt is pointing at floor
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>>136212202

just remember secret is the one with the based slav of drafting and backstabbing
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>>136212202
Worked pretty well for America in the 1700s.
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>>136212043
>Still Assblasted
Just stop man, nobody cares about EG. Dota was never about organizations, just look at Na'vi. you think valve gives a fuck if they go down or not? absolutely not. It is all about the players.
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>>136212127
They're chill guys and they're tier 1 players. They'll make it.
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>>136212134
>swiss
>german
>any difference

same exact thing.
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>neutral spawn camp boxes and tower attack range somehow "casualizes the game"

?
it makes ZERO DIFFERENCE for players who are good and it helps people who are fucking braindead get better. theres no disadvantage you fucking crybaby
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>>136212325
>Misery
>tier 1

LMAO
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>>136212274
pretty much every swiss speaks german french and italian
add english to that
don't know if she speaks some other language
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IS TERRORBLADE A HERO IN THIS GAME?
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>>136212202
Secret owner is turkish, Secret captain is a Slav, Mid laner is literally Russian, Carry is a chinese player, Offlaner is indian, Swedish Support. SOMEHOW NA.
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>Puppey
>Kuroky
>s4
>zai
>RTZ

>Puppey
>Pie
>EE
>Universe
>RTZ

Which team was more "stacked"
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>>136212125
no it isn't. it's absolutely dead and stagnant compared to WC3
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>>136212394
Universe isn't much better than him. They won a major you faggot. Who do you think was helping carry EE?
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>>136212202
how would EG become 3/5 euro with two euros
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>>136212474
The first. They just didn't work together.
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>>136212395
speaks =/= had a course in high school and knows a few basic words
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>>136212474
This Secret for sure. Especially because Artour is fucking DOGSHIT or at the very least wasted on carry.
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>>136212456
he is balanced like his first skill is good wall of replica
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>be Estonian
>TV supposed to show interview with Puppey today
>gets replaced by a special episode about Belgian bombings
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>136212474
hard to say, Zai and Universe are pretty fuckin good. And Pieliedie while not as legendary as Kuroky is still a great player.
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>>136212474
The NA version, it only has 1 useless player in PLD
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>>136212493
>I never played WC3
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>>136212493
>muh wc3

kys
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>>136212474
The first. Because the second one has EE
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>>136211371
retarded design item
pretty much exclusively for morph
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>>136212274
>>136212395
What language you speak is mostly based on where you live. Switzerland is a weird country.
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>>136212474
>a team with diediedie and ee
>good
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>>136212534
Puppey with his superb drafting? W33 with his stable performance? EE isn't even as bad as people make him out to be

Why are you even comparing someone who has been the best offlaner in the world for quite a while with that nigger misery. What are you? 2k?
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how do we make Warlock viable?

Golems need some sort of buff or rework.
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>>136212728
well of course, but you can bet that by living in swiss you'll be farm more familiar with italian and french, than lets say, british or german people.
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>>136212537
Sumail
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What did he mean by this?
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>>136212660
played it for 10 years. the dota 2 custom scene is dead and incomparable
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>>136212857
They are just trolling bulba.
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>>136212840
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>>136212840
sumail is a pakistani living in america
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>>136209463
Princess Twilight Sparkle
Princess Celestia
Princess Luna
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>dendi retires

end of an era
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>>136212765
>EE is not bad
I bet you're a fucking secret fan now. You used to hate EE but now you're ready to suck his cock. Misery is a good player and you're baised. He didn't fuck up at all.
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>>136212773
Golems are now charge based
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>>136213021
fraudulent news
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>>136212918
it is funny they didn't just copy wc3 games list
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>>136212960
would make this nigga be the gatorade boy for the rest of the year
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ITS OFFICIAL THEY EVEN HAVE SHIRTS ALREADY
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>>136212773
Just reduce the fucking cooldown to something reasonable like 80s
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