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>What is this?
A general for all strategic, operational, and tactical war games that can't generate enough traffic to sustain their own generals. ARMA need not apply.
>Old thread
>>133106461
>Attention Grabbing tags:
/wgg/ /rtt/ /rts/ /rtsg/ /tsg/ /mowg/ /mowassg/ /ctag/
>Example welcome games:
Wargame: Red Dragon
Combat Mission
Call to Arms
Flashpoint Campaigns
Graviteam Tactics
Theatre of War
Men of War
Command: Modern Air Naval Operations
Armored Brigade
Close Combat
Steel Beasts
Steel Panthers MBT
CMANO
>Graviteam DLC:
http://pastebin.com/TwMLZQ6h (embed)
>Interesting history links:
Cold War military technology ads:
http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/military-ads-1980s
/wgg/ misc Cold War literature:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zfm69f0k91pmf0y/wgg-lit-v1.3.rar
The Soviet Army: troops, organization & equipment
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
USMC intelligence North Korea handbook:
http://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/nkor.pdf
Everything there is to know about the T-62:
http://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.my/2015/12/t-62.html
>Steamgroups:
/wgg/ old group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/VG-Wargamers
/wgg/ new group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dedgamededthread
Uralmod official group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/Uralgraznomod
/wgg/ Men of War / Call to Arms Group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/ReReaGa
>Teamspeak server
uralmod.typefrag.com:7495
>Legacy Wargame General pasta and game-info repository:
http://pastebin.com/70Nwcb5m (embed)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lon0cgmjfqwq1oi/WargameRD_Hidden_Knowledge_Spreadsheet.xlsx?dl=0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UvBiH3lrCFzLYnRzNzF49yVtaNHYLfi7dgMpNE517RM/
BMP
I misspelled the title.
Fuck.
Anyone here at all?
The SP campaigns in EE are so bullshit that computer need to cheat.
I witnessed 8 tanks getting killed by enemy two, when they stopped firing back - standing at higher ground, having their "cycles" above head filled and then nothing. With no line of sight break.
At least I managed to do this stupid Able Archer in full. But ammount of rng with hunting helis with missiles was too much.
>>133426743
always wanted to get my hands on EE.they say it has the best single player but after hearing all these horror stories it puts me off.
Also, who else /Sandbox Mod/?
Old thread >>133106461
Rip in peace /rstg/again
>>133423414
>>133427228
They are just very hard but not impossible. If you would find it too much, you can donwgrade, which removes portion of AI cheating (yes, Eugene decided at some point to improve AI and make it harder but that made SP campaigns unbalanced but Eugene dont care about SP at all).
"Not impossible" except for that optional objective at Evacuation.
pre-nap BMP
>When the enemy is spamming planes into lstr-40, fjb-40 and TOR.
>>133424402
we /lifesupport/ here
>>133434036
well why don't you fags respond to my awesome posting of the history of wgg?
>>133430096
>>133429834
>>133429407
If the next Wargame isn't set in Asia again do you think they will still include the Asian nations?
>>133435375
Well they included the scandi in rd.
give me a B
Give me a M
rate
>>133437659
no proper plane AA
bomb me/10
>>133440507
what should I get rid of and replace??
>>133435186
'A trip down memory lane.'
-Anon
'Like Skyrim with french bias.'
-Tied
'>tfw no mig-29'
-Wehrboo
>>133441597
Choose between Afghan and BMPT in your vehicle tab and ditch the rest
>>133435186
I wish this was a 40k thread.
>>133441692
I only like germans when they're communists.
>>133445482
They do make better songs.
>>133427228
It has the best SP of the series hands down but that's not saying much as the AI cheated even at launch (units spawning out of thin air, also the AI has no fog of war, they still need LOS for being able to shoot).
>page 10
Eastern block airborne has never been so much fun
>>133451713
for what purpose?
>>133451713
why? just so you get cheap Mi-17s?
anyone have that iron giant wargame gif
Which video settings should I use on RO2? At the moment I'm going with what gives me more or less constant 60 FPS but it sucks as I can't see shit most of the time. I mean, I pick apart moving targets just fine, but I find it almost impossible to see stationary enemies.
We're not dead, never, I'll be in a cold cold grave before we die.
M1A2 --> 180 (~)
T-72BU --> 175 (-5)
T-90S --> 170 (-5)
Chally2 --> 170(~)
Leo2A5 --> 170 (~)
Kyu-Maru --> 165 (-5)
T-80UM --> 160 (-10)
Moderna --> 155 (-10)
STRV 121 --> 155 (-5)
Leclerc --> 160 (~)
PT-91 --> 155 (-5)
M1A1HC --> 155 (-5)
T-80U --> 145 (-10)
K1A1 --> 140 (-10)
ChallyMk3 --> 140 (-10)
T-72obr89 --> 135 (-15)
ZTZ-85-III --> 135 (-10)
M1A1HA --> 135 (-10)
T-72S --> 125 (-10)
Leo2A4 --> 125 (-10)
T-72S1 --> 120 (-10)
T-64BV --> 120 (-10)
Wilk M2 --> 120 (-5) (60% accuracy)
ChallyMk2 --> 115 (-10)
T-72obr87 --> 110 (-15)
M1A1 --> 115 (-5)
T-80BV --> 110 (-10)
T-64BV1 --> 110 (-10)
ChallyMk1 --> 105 (-10)
T-80A --> 110 (~)
T-64BM --> 100 (+10)
Leo2A1 --> 100 (-5)
T-72B --> 90 (-5)
K1 --> 90 (+5)
(...)
Chief Mk11 --> 80 (-5)
(...)
Leo1A5 --> 65 (+5)
(...)
Super M60 --> 60 (-5)
Talk amongst yourselves.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4vkx4ncg99jyzf3/replay_2016-02-27_20-27-07.wargamerpl2?dl=0
what a scumbag lmfao
>>133458361
Wow, ur dad got owned.
>>133458290
These are basically Uralmod prices, except a bit more expensive in a lot of cases, and some weird decisions like having the Chally2 at 170 rather than 175-180.
>muh chobham
>>133458361
>>133459123
ur dad and uuuuuu are the same butthurt exceptional individual lmfao. It is hilarious to see him lose.
![T-15-BMP-Armata-Schuetzenpanzer-Vorstellung-474x316-48c6d1a146de2e16[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yeMZ907.jpg "T-15-BMP-Armata-Schuetzenpanzer-Vorstellung-474x316-48c6d1a146de2e16[1]")
new BMP
>>133429310
Was worth a shot. Made it since no one made a new /wgg/ for nearly a whole day.
>try Rammstein again
>pact tanks roll by and kill recon units in just one shot
Yeah no fuck off.
Anyone here play elite mod for dawn of war 2? Or really just Dawn of War 2 at all?
So I'm trying to make a Czech Mech Deck.
Zeliste in Vydra 2, Motostelci in Vydra 2, or a 1 card of each?
>>133477396
Or Pancerovnici now that I think about it
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=185765
Operational-Strategic level AAR for TOAW3. It's old, but I thought I'd share it since the quality is high.
r8 my first scandi deck, I usually play Redfore because the pubstompers take Blufor 99% of the time.
>>133458361
>>133459123
>>133460957
holy shit, THAT GUY
He got mad at me for using jager and sperged for hours.
>>133478828
IMO you should: Ditch the AS 332 in favour of more trucks or points elsewhere
Get rid of the FSK for cheap fire support Eryx
Ditch either the NASAMS or the Hawk and grab Amos instead, consider getting some cheaper AA
Maybe get the IKV 103 or a Tow 2 carrier in the vehicle tab, and maybe get the SK 60B in the air tab
>>133480441
>ditching FSK
halal.
>>133478828
>54/55
>Exocet
>Sea Buster
>Lafayette
Cancer
>>133485054
>not ignoring naval
>>133486754
>webm related: your sector getting raped by my LUDAs and Morskaya Pexota
>>133488369
>naval
>>133465016
It looks like it would be more suited in a scifi movie.
>>133477396
Motostrelci suck, a lot.
Is Combat Mission: Black Sea any good? I found the download link
>>133478828
Pardon my autism but
>54/55
>supply helo
>transport helo more expensive than 15pts
>kustjagare
>fkp
>no eryx
>no 10pts autocannon m113
>no rbs 56
>no leo 1a5no2
>jaegere in lynx instead of trucks
>jaegere '90 instead of swedish shock recon
>bothering with exceptional optics in the "fighting recon" coalition
>rr jeeps intead of the ikv with a better cannon than 75pts t-72
>4/5 airplane slots
>f 35 wdns instead of the 1000kg*2 f-16
>upvetting the puff (outside of ranked)
>gripen isntead of elite norwegian f-16
>no sk60
>no f-100d
>no cluster f-16
>naval
>tfw 2100m t-64b
This was the one they should have changed, the bm was fine.
YOU THERE
YES YOU, THE FAGGOT WHO ALWAYS HAS CONNECTION PROBLEMS
what is the point of fucking playing if you're just going to drop out of every game before it even starts
do everyone including yourself a favor and don't come back
p.s. yes i mad
>>133492771
> complains about 4/5 airplane slots
>suggests 6 slots of airplanes
>>133494057
On average it is 5/5.
>>133492771
better?
>>133492716
>Reading the manual for CM:BS
>Foreword is basically "yeah, we toyed with the idea of making a game set in Ukraine between Russia and the US, we started development when the unthinkable happened and a war actually broke out"
>"This is still a fictional story set in 2017. We hope"
Isn't this like the second time this has happened to them? I know they accidentally predicted the Syrian war when they were developing Shock Force.
>>133494254
>No panserbil
>>133494254
Better, but
>bothering with the veak 40 (though maybe the recent spaag buff made it less shit)
>wrong f-16 (my bad, I mistook it earlier with the danish one with SA missiles)
I'm myself a massive spammer of recon infantry though you might want to vary your recon tab a bit. Habits from playing China all the time you know.
>>133497327
the danish f-16 only has 2 SA Sparrows instead of 4 AMRAAMs and 10% less ecm, is that really worth the 40 points?
Is the LKV 90 good? 60% acc for AAA sounds good
lmao
Hontech btfo
http://warisboring.com/articles/australia-to-ditch-its-tiger-gunships-which-have-never-seen-combat/
>>133498730
When taken at two elite, yes, very much so.
The aa cv90 is not excellent at killing air but with its armor and AP it can defend itself pretty decently.
ded
>>133505021
>Green is best.
>>133505021
>Eugen in charge of balancing dark eldar
>>133430798
Where is fist column fourth row from?
>>133505714
Oh god i didn't even think about that.
>>133505930
It's just text, do you mean the last picture?
>>133505930
You mean this?
>>133506027
>>133506218
Do I have to draw?
>>133506527
World in Conflict
>>133506689
cheers
>>133506527
Sorry i made both, and thought you responded to a different post.
>>133499318
>There were delays with the helicopter’s software. Parts must be shipped to Europe for repair, a time-consuming and expensive process. Worst of all, the air conditioning units and power capacitors broke down and filled cockpits with toxic, black smoke.
>Trust in the aircraft deteriorated so much, that pilots effectively mutinied in 2012 by refusing to fly.
What a shitbox. And for fuck sake, in any serious war do you really want to ship your shit to the other side of the world and get ripped off by the French?
>First wasteland mission
>"Okay, maybe first ones wont eb as bullshit as other campaigns..."
>No arty
>No tanks
>Enemy tanks and anti-air hiding in forrest
>Inf dead before can reach them
>Invisible until recon heli gets right above them so cant target from afar with my own assault helis
>Cant kite as they will just sit down there, waiting for their moment
Why.
>>133513341
Not to mention that tanks blowing up recon inf hidden in forrest, when it should have no chance to spot them. Tanks blowing them from nowhere, of course, since tanks with poor optics surely will spot infrantry hidden in forrest with very good optics.
And that recon vehicles that need to be ordered to stay every 5 minutes or it will decide to go somewhere for no reason.
I guess somebody at Eugene said "guys, players still manage to win SP campaigns, even when we made AI cheats, lets make their units randomly stop shooting or being unable to spot from few meters distance or we risk people having FUN with our games".
>>133492716
post link
>>133441692
madmat can frigg off
>>133513341
At least you didn't have to put up with helis and BMPs blind firing atgms at all of my unseen tanks
I lost 3 challengers and numerous other tanks because of the AI clear desire to just fuck me up.
>>133505021
nice job
>>133517867
Option to disable certain weapons is such a blessing. Too bad that game does not have active pause, micromanaging is hell.
>>133517867
There is no thing such as "unseen" in EE single player. If the AI has LOS on something they can fire on it.
>>133518181
so the flashing unit marker means nothing when a unit is in cover?
>>133518181
Actually, I saw them firing without LOS. Or my own tanks standing at basically the same level, with nothing between them and enemy firing, while they couldnt.
Eugene was so pussy that they had to cripple your own units, the cheating was not enough.
>>133518662
Not when your opponent is the AI.
>>133518662
Yes, the AI has no fog of war, they know precisely where each and every of your units are.
>>133518802
God I hate the EE AI
>>133517246
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pg=1&t=1731460&start=1320
>>133518918
wrong pic
>>133518963
That link is truly golden. Thanks, comrade!
>>133520236
Yeah, a lot of those games you can't find torrents of, it's a good resource.
I found EE SP "guides" especially funny.
For example "use your own helis to destroy enemy assault ones".
Last time I tried attacking two Mi-24 with 4 Havoc, all 4 suffered aim system failture from enemy fire right from the bat, then all 4 died. Naturally, enemy Mi-24 were perfectly fine.
>>133520328
What is strange is that they explicitely say not to make torrents of games there. I use rutracker all the time and didn't even know about such a hidden gem.
>Lead regiments of the division are often assigned Regimental Artillery Groups (RAG) to support them, depending on the severity of the mission
>The RAG can consist of anywhere from two to four artillery battalions, including the Regiment's organic artillery
>Four Battalions
>12 Batteries
>72 guns
>In a Breakthrough operation, the lead Regiment would also have support from the Divisional Artillery Group (DAG) and in special cases, the RAGs of neighboring divisions
>DAG
>8 Battalions
>24 Batteries
>144 guns
>Total 216 or more artillery guns
Jesus Christ, Russia.
>>133427750
How does that mass of infantry spam not kill your fps?
>Getting invited to MP match in EE
>Both sides just spam "fast move" all force into enemy start point
>Lose everytime
This is exactly why I dont play MP. I dont see any fun in losing every single match.
>>133523393it does
>>133521970
They learned their lesson from WW2, the way to make territorial gains quickly without massive casualties is through overwhelming firepower, since it's far cheaper to mass artillery than airpower they focused on that.
I remember I read Field Marshal Rammstein's memoirs and he was talking about artillery in WW2. The siege of Sevastopol which he commanded saw the largest build-up of German artillery in the war, 20 heavy guns for every kilometer of front. Compare this to the Soviets in 1945 who massed 400(!) guns for every kilometer of front.
It's battlefield doctrine that works pretty well today, look at the war in Ukraine, the overwhelming number of casualties on both sides is from artillery.
warchat as usual
ded
>>133529950
>not muting the chat
stop dying
>All these warhammer posts
>Crickets when I ask if anyone actually wants to play some Dawn of War
M113 Gavin
Any tips for on gittin gud?
just picked up red dragon and I've lost the easy south korean campaign twice.
>>133539776
Depends which one?Also I'm a bit crap
>>133543415
I've only got 2 installed at the moment. Can play with or without elite mod
>>133543971
Not tonight but how about you beat the shit out of me tomorrow instead?
>>133544437
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ZebraCakesSteam/
>>133545016
See ya tomorrowDont expect a challenge
>>133541065
Sparky plz go
BMP
Three capital letters
Printed in gold
'Cause cramped space makes the comrades sweat even more
While they're shooting their guns
No need to ask my game to figure out how good I am
How is 7.62 with the Hard Life mod? Vanilla was fun, BSM was an unbalanced clusterfuck (and not in a good way) and kind of boring, SG Armory kind of fixed the balance problems but added a shitton of bloat.
>>133547027
Pls respond
>tfw manage to restore an older version of Flashpoint successfully
Now it's playable again. New content coming soon.
What do you think of my first deck ever?
Will it get obliterated?
>>133554379
Oh my sweet summer child
>>133554379
It's pretty alright except for the infantry tab. Keep one card of strelki-bmp3 and put the other two in bmp-1d and mt-lb.
>>133494305
One of the earlier Ghost Recon games predicted the invasion of Georgia
>>133558106
It was the very first one. Now please answer my question : >>133547027
ded
I don't know if they're strictly related to this thread, but are any of the modern Command and Conquer games are good? In this context take modern to mean post-RA2.
>>133565192
C&C3 was actually a competent RTS with the expansion. RA3 is sterile as all hell gameplay-wise. C&C4 doesn't exist.
>>133565886
What about Generals?
>>133567596
As long as you don't expect it to be a C&C game in anything other than name, Zero Hour is rock solid.
>>133554379
>>133554379
your infantry is way too fucking expensive. In the case of Motostrelki, you're paying for the transport more than the unit, but at the same time, you want quantity as well. Keep 1 card of BMP-3s, take another in the grenade launcher BMP-1 or MTLB. You might want a card of Spetz.
replace a card of Strela-10s for TORs or preferably the less expensive Tunguska.
Tanks are okay, I'd personally take some T-64BMs
Replace GRU with BRDM-3. If you like cheap disposable recce, get the BRDM-2.
Rest checks out alright.
ded
patch leaks
>>133573347
>115mm
>>133573347
No coaxial?
>>133575065
no breaks on the balanse train ether, only dubs
Artillery has taken very heavy tolls on the first echelon of Soviet troops, but heavy artillery support of their own has the Americans likewise suppressed.
>>133579725
Mortars and M109s fire their FPFs now. The Soviet first echelon is sure to break on the minefields. The only uncertainty now is whether the remaining American troops can prepare themselves to defend against the second.
>>133573347
>either uralmod or a blatant ripoff thereof
sounds like every wargame patch lately
>>133554379
Consider dropping the supply helicopter, they don't synergize that well with a fob and supply trucks.
Motostrelki '90 are pretty bad. The BMP-3 is awesome though, so bring at least one card of them in the BMP-3. Consider Spetsnaz, they have napalm launchers that make good work of enemy infantry, and VDV '90 who have an amazing RPG.
Supply looks ok, play around with the Nona and Vasilek and see which one you like more. The cool thing about the Vasilek is that it blows it's entire load at once on very short notice which makes it hard for the enemy to avoid it.
>>133580859
...And then the game crashes regardless of whatever save I load.
Well, nevermind >>133553164 then. I'm stuck with 2.0.11.1, where the Soviets would be completely annihilated before they even got to the minefield.
G-d's plane bump
>>133582001
Thanks for trying,anon
>>133554379
So some things
> unless you have cluster artillery or howitzers, you don't need a FOB. You have none of the above, and mortars carry a huge amount of ammo base.
>Strela-10M is an awful unit. Furthermore it fulfills no role in your deck. What does it do that a Tunguska does not do better? A single Tunguska will outkill two Strela-10M's.
>Subpar picks in the tank section. The OP tank right now is T-64BM, which can replace T-72BI and T-64BV in your deck. Also take as many superheavies as you can, bring both cards of T-80UM and T-72BU.
> Having a ground recon unit is important because they can keep up with your tanks in a push and keep spotting, which infantry can't keep up and helicopter recon is too easy to kill. Drop one of the GRU's for a BRDM-3. They also make great skirmishing units.
> Su-122-54 was recently nerfed, not a great unit anymore. Bring the Zhalo instead.
God bless America
>BMP-2 has actually been nerfed against infantry
>>133588810
stop lying
>>133589171
What does it have, 20% accuracy now? The HE component of the gun always had 25%; they are now both standardized at 20%. It was only the AP portion that had 15%
>>133588680
Assault engineers are great if they work but most of the time they panic and get gibbed too fast.
Not to mention they don't get wheeled transports so you can't use them when they are most needed.
I would have liked M202 flash on Green Berets 75, with Ca-15 and Stoner LMG as a vietnam throwback loadout like SEALs are.
>>133588680
sturmpionere in 10 point BMP-1s are superior
>>133590426
ok
I don't know how much you know about wargame's config structure, but I opened the two TAmmunition instances that represent the early 2A42 autocannon in an earlier version of wargame (v639). On the left is the AP ammunition, on the right is the HE. The accuracy of weapons in wargame is defined through their ammunition, by pointing to another instance in TModernWarfareHitrollRules that contains the accuracy numbers. I've opened the hitroll instances for both weapons and you'll see that the AP's accuracy is 0.15 while HE's is 0.25.
The pre-patch BMP-2 only had 15% accuracy when shooting at armored targets. Against soft targets its accuracy was 25%.
In the recent patch, Eugen set both those values to 0.2.
Mind you, this isn't an attack on Eugen, I just thought it funny that everyone says how much the BMP-2 kicks ass against infantry now, when in fact it's worse than it used to be. It's almost like a placebo effect.
>>133592869
Hm, thanks for explaining.
>>133541559
Single player is completely different from multi player but my advice for learning multi player is watching competitive casts. Vulcan is pretty good.
>>133458290
Why the fuck did they nerf Leo2a1 again? It should be 90 point and it's the most over priced tank right now. Most tanks get -10 and some even -5.
>>133594683
-____-
>>133594683
*some even -15
Hind D
>>133592869
G... good work anon.
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=50251
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=50263
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=50337
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=50519
http://forums.eugensystems.com/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=50675
>mixed source units
>Iraqi Roland
>Greek OSAs
>Merkavas
>Italian autocannon meta
>YUGOS
>monkey model weapons
>more MiG-25s
>more T-62s and T-72s
>V-150 VADS Vulcan
>(hopefully improved) naval
>motorized artillery
>self-propelled D-30
>BTR-50 with better armaments
>real desert maps (not east asian """deserts""")
>actual use for naval in mixed maps
FUCK ALL THESE SPECULATIONS ARE MAKING ME EXCITED FOR WARGAME 4
>>133599813
>Italian autocannon meta
[muffled sound of blasphemy as OTOMATICs roll by]
>>133599813
>(hopefully improved) naval
>actual use for naval in mixed maps
>spending more money trying to fix naval
pls no
>>133601825
This, remove naval and concentrate on gameplay features that are actually fun.
Also I'll say it again: why add more units and nations if Eugen can't even balance the existing ones?
The Chaparral's AIM-9D missiles were capable of tail-chase launches only, but offered ranges up to 5 miles. Also using an all-optical firing system, the Chaparral nevertheless required the operator to "settle" the missiles on the target for a period of time to allow them to lock on, limiting its ability to deal with quickly moving targets. Both vehicles were optionally supported by the AN/MPQ-49 Forward Area Alerting Radar (FAAR), but this system was towed by the Gama Goat and could not be used near the front lines.[5] The pair of weapons was, at best, a nuisance to the enemy and had limited performance against modern aircraft.
Unlike fixed-wing aircraft, attack helicopters had the ability to loiter near the front behind cover and pick their targets. They would then "pop up", launch a missile, and return to cover as soon as the missile hit its target. Using fast-reacting wire-guided or radio-command missiles meant the total engagement time was kept to a minimum, as there was little or no "lock-on" time required; the operator simply fired as soon as they were clear of the terrain, and then adjusted the missile's flight path onto the target while it flew. Against these aircraft, the Vulcan/Chaparral combination was effectively useless.[8]
The Vulcan could react quickly enough to the fleeting targets, but its 20 mm gun had an effective range of only about 1,200 meters, far shorter than the 3,000 to 5,000 meters range of the Spiral. While the Chaparral had enough range to engage the "Hind", its lengthy lock-on period meant the Hind would have hit its target and hidden behind terrain again before the Sidewinder would reach it. Additionally, the older Sidewinder missiles used on the Chaparral homed in on exhaust, and had limited capability against helicopters faced head-on.
The first link in Graviteam DLC pastebin is down, can someone kindly reupload it? Thanks.
>>133599813
>these nations weren't in at release
>>133601825
Can't wake up.
>>133599813
>Fan Fiction
>>133602409
>>133602409
>Pivads matches biryusa in range in wg.
>>133604786
Also how do I install these DLCs? I assume there is a guide in the first link but it is down so..
>>133599813
kek
Amphibious tank
Damn, this is brutal. Could beat the second smallest scenario only after 5-6 restarts. Assaulting enemy prepared defences while you have ~ same numbers and inferior armor is not what I'd call a good matchup.
Luckly I was saved by stupid cockhole AI who tried rushing my pinned down troops.
Game engine is really fucked up - I play BF4 smoothly while CMBS chokes on middle settings and lags on mouselook. All of that while looking poorly even by mid-00 standarts.
Interface is still horrible, pathfinding is still more dangerous than enemy AI.
Back to Wargame I guess - good thing those kind men from rutracker pirated it, I was considering buying Black Sea.
>>133580859
Now this is really good wargame, but I really hate that game gives no information about hits/misses and penetration. And I feel that some parts of the game are bugged up - for instance I had one hour delay for movement of my unscratched tanks more often than I should.
>>133615573
>Now this is really good wargame, but I really hate that game gives no information about hits/misses and penetration.
The recent beta patch gives information about chances to hit, but it only works singleplayer. No info re: penetration values however, which isn't that big of a deal since the vast majority of kills are "soft kills" ie. local routs, optics, firepower kills, mobility kills
>And I feel that some parts of the game are bugged up - for instance I had one hour delay for movement of my unscratched tanks more often than I should.
That is a bug indeed. I'll have to address it to the devs.
>>133615573
black sea is very deadly and brutal compared to the ww2 titles
>>133615774
>vast majority of kills are "soft kills" ie. local routs, optics, firepower kills, mobility kills
And I'd love to read about all that stuff, since its already modelled. Adds to immersion IMO. Ability to inspect hit info was a great feature in Graviteam Tacticts.
BTW does fresh Flaspoint Campaigns addon have more varied redfor OOB? I've grown tired of seeing just T-64s and occasional T-80s.
On a side note I find it amusing that some Ukranian indie-developer, which can't even afford a proper translation of manual and their site, manages to create a wargame with infinitely better visuals than CM.
>>133616797
The entire timeframe is July 1989. Similarly the REDFOR OOBs follow the (mostly) incorrect CFE treaty standards and NATO projections which think that T-80s were everywhere and in the thousands. Some units make little to no appearance: No maps take place north of Hamburg (I can fix that, though ;^)), and the 2nd Guards Tank Army is only involved in a single scenario. 20th GCA does not appear at all.
Equipment all the way down to M48s and T-62s exist, but you need to make your own scenarios for them. A lot of content requires user input, which isn't much of a problem because it's easy for anyone to do so.
>>133618758
I'm always shit at creating user-made scenarios, I know a bit about warfare to appreciate wargames like this but I'm not nearly enough of an armchair general to devise interesting situations involving plausible combatants in my mind.
Last time I tried my hand at creating scenarios I basically just threw together a simulation of what would happen if ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Sweden) decided to mount a motorised invasion of Finland using Toyotaborne infantry with a a backup armor platoon of cucked Strvs.
How different is the gameplay of mowas2 compared to wargame and what do I need to know before jumping into MP?
I guess the universal rule of "watch replays you noob" applies as well?
>>133619274
Entirely different, they may as well be different genres.
In Wargame you command a batallion-sized force, the smallest unit of infantry is a squad of 5-10 men. In MOWAS2 you command a platoon-sized force, with every individual soldier being simulated in copious detail.
In Wargame you send 40 men to die in a street with a click of the mouse just so you can clear a corridor for your armor section. In MOWAS2 you make sure each individual soldier has enough ammo and throws their grenades properly.
>>133619502
Doesn't sound too different in practice from playing a deck made entirely of single stacks of jäger, leo 1a5 and those 30pts 120mm mortar.
What are the most important hotkeys?
who /tactical/ here?
>>133619937
MOWAS2 is much much faster, it's sort of action/tactics. And really different from wargame in pretty much anything. BTW just tried Call to Arms - new game in series - and it sucked really really bad. Enemy had M1A2 TUSKs, heaviest armor in my arsenal - BMP-3 with crappy bastion which cant score a kill even in rear projection, direct control is broken. First tank comes at level 15 and I guess its enough to drop it. Hope they'll make something playable of it before the release.
>Equipment all the way down to M48s and T-62s exist, but you need to make your own scenarios for them.
Yep, noticed that too and too bad not enough ppl are interesting in making scenarios for it, such a great databases rests unused. I am too impatient to try it myself.
>>133620223
>B M P
>M
>P
>>133619937
Those mortars should go to 35. NK needs 5 pt transports for line. All chonma need a 5 pt price cut. Shit erks me 5 no end when blatant imbalances are completely ignored.
>>133622583
Not all of them are ignored :)))))
>>133622583
USSR is still playable therefore redfor is fine.
t. forum shitterWhy the fuck is the m8 panserbil still only 15pts?
>>133623554
it's balanced against the brdm-2)))
>join 2v2 high-income game
>grab middle sector easily, enemy keeps turtling and mortaring me for the rest of the game
>doing well but teammate keeps losing units
>he finally disconnects after failed push (lol)
>"gee, maybe I can actually win now"
>I'm sitting on like 8000 excess points
>buy 14 LAV mortars, begin mortaring the everliving shit out of the enemy
>keep ATACMSing his command units
>5 minutes left, enemy throws groups of 4 ural shittruck aa's at me accompanied by groups of 4 ASU and T-55
>mortar the shit out of it and nuke it with F-15
>win the game
>enemy replies: "fucking spamer"
>mfw I was still sitting on 8000 points by the end
>>133623713
>using 3 HE mortars when you could take 4 HE ones instead
>>133621245
>new game in series
I thought it was a "standalone mod" made by side devs, just using same engine
>>133623852
Eh, I guess I could swap them for the M106A2
>>133624068
AFAIK original devs do not exist anymore and Digitalmind soft initially were the publishers. May be wrong though.
Funny how they repeat horrible mistakes - you get competetive only when you rank which is a joke with tiny playerbase. And make things even worse - camera height was already annoyingly low in MOWAS2 and they make it even lower. Why the hell did they need to do it?!
>>133608901
Pls respond
East German bmp-1's can be hilarious at times. That accurate veteran heat spam melting super heavies when you make a push. Or out gunning Leo-1's with low fav.
>>133458290
If they just fix plane loadouts Ural mod will be out of business
>>133623554
>Why the fuck is the m8 panserbil still only 15pts?
Its gun isn't autoloaded anymore
>>133626092
Something happened to them lately? I remember they were epic to spam in W:ALB, though I didn't try that in RD. And ppl on forum mostly treated them like shit.
>>133626583
Only a 15% accuracy buff.
>>133624448
OH WOW. I was so fucking wrong, actually true MOWAS successor is in the works, named Gates of Hell.
>>133586176
>>133581684
>>133569840
>>133557828
>>133555463
Thanks, anons.
working bretty gud now. not too sure what to do with the last 3 points.
R8
I usually have good times with this deck, except when the enemy brings Longbows. I must be retarded, how do I counter them? I try to use the Tor but then it gets SEAD'd, and the gun AA is too short range to kill it. Are MANPADS the answer? Should I ditch the NK Igla and get the Russian Igla-N?
>>133631398
Option #1: Get command inf in helo.
Option #2: Remove a t-64bm, get an additional plane and vehicle.
>>133631894
Shit, forgot deck
>>133631894
>>133632085
>igla: against helo
>igla-n: against planes
>>133632520
So the Igla shoud do ok against the Longbow?
Any other suggestions for the deck?
>>133631894
>>133632085
Use your Tunguska then, silly.
>BMD2-K
>Mi-26
Why
>Akatsiya II
Is there something special about this unit? Last thread someone mentioned that it was efficient for its price.
Since I am naval fag, I would suggest switching out the Redut for 2 BALS, getting rid of the Najin for extra land units or landing troops, and upvetting the Hujians to 3 instead of 4: The accuracy increase helps the CIWS greatly.
>>133634576
>BMD2-K
>Mi-26
Why not?
>Akatsiya
I heard the same, and I haven't used them enough to give an opinion
>Naval
Tbh leaving it empty felt weird, I never use it.
>>133635001
>BMD2-K
With 1 AV and a 2a42 it will not survive to autocannon recon. If you want a cv that will survive no matter what, get a tank (only 10pts more expensive) and if you just want to survive artillery get a brdm.
>mi-26
Can't be hidden near the stuff you want to ressuply and is pointless as a forward fob since trucks don't get long to get to your base and back to the front.
>>133631398
Change one card of Tung-M for the less expensive version.
Remove one card of T-64BM.
Buy another plane.
dead
>>133590757
>Gee Fritz, why does Politbyro let you fire three rpgs?!
I don't know much about gooks, tell me if my deck is shit
>>133592869
>everyone
The forums were always retarded.
>>133640142
> Red Dragons
No matter how good it is, it's still shit.
>>133640142
fuck me that's the old version of the deck. Here's the new one
People should come join RobZ realism mod games for funsies.
>>133642159
RD moto is bretty gud
>>133640142
>supply helo
>igla instead of qw-1 (or 2, don't remember)
>tube arty
>no bm-24
>no type 63
>no wz-550
>su-27 instead of elite j-8c
>jh-7 isntead of su-25
>no j-7h
>no feibao
>>133642247
Change Mi-6 out for more logi trucks. If you're REALLY burning for more supply, then bring the choppers.
I'm not sure the stats of the NorK Igla, but I think the Chink QW-1 is better. Consider changing Bochongsu for some Gongobyongs, the RRs are pretty good and they should have the same LMG. If the Zhandui '90 come in Wizzies, I'd take those.
Swap tube arty for Nork VTT mortars
Rest is fine, although you might want to consider getting proper fighters/interceptors. The J8Cs are decent.
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>>133429407
>>133429834
>>133430096
does anyone have a high res of the top right panel?
>>133653787
Somewhat.
>>133640312
i actually saw plenty of "BASED BMP2" on here as well
Like I said, the placebo is real
Which chapter should represent the space marines if there was a wargame 40k ?
>>133592869
god I fucking hate eugen
god forbid a pact IFV has fucking okay accuracy, meanwhile one blufor IFV has 30% accuracy, another has 15% accuracy but better RoF by around 200rpm and 3 armour.
>>133492716
>>133615573
>CM:BS download
Fuck yes fucking FINALLY.
>CM: Red Thunder too
Thank you based Russian pirates for saving this poverty stricken student. I can now stop replaying Battle for Normandy v1.01 all day.
>>133660790
>BMP-2 was good all along
>>133662728
>good
That's a strong word.
>>133660790
But DPS is the key for the weapon consideration right? I mean.... higher ROF with less accuracy, you'd have to run the #'s with the HE value factored in as well
How's balance in mow?
>>133657240
UltraMarines or Dark Angels because of their all aroundness.
>>133665414
Imp Fists are the same, but they could do with the videogame love.
I'd personally say Raven Guard would fit Wargames recon and mobility focus a lot better than others however.
>>133664074
According to spreadsheet after changing early 2A42 accuarcy to 20%, DPS is the same for both Marder 1 and BMP-2, but Marder 1 has the superior armour and over twice as much ammunition as BMP-2
Only downside Marder 1 has is it isn't amphibious
>page 10
>>133673906
>again
>>133660790
I did a ton of research into autocannons a while ago because I thought Eugen was full of shit. This is what I came up with:
>ACC
NS-23/AZP-23/Akan m/470 = 15% ACC
Rh-202/M693 F1 = 20-25% ACC
2A42/KBA 25 = 25-30% ACC
ZPT-90 = 35% ACC
2A72/Bushmaster/Rarden = 40% ACC
I-Bushmaster = 45% ACC
Bofors/KDE 35 = 50% ACC [note: nerf the STRF 9040 to 30% stabs]
RH-503 = 55% ACC [note: nerf the Marder 2 to 35% stabs]
Bushmaster II = 60% ACC
>Range
NS-23/AZP-23/Akan m/470/Rh-202/M693 F1/2A42 = 1575m
I-Rh-202/I-2A42/KBA 25/ZPT-90/2A72/Bushmaster/Rarden/I-Bushmaster/Bofors/KDE 35 = 1750
RH-503/Bushmaster II = 1925m
>AP
I-2A42/I-Rh-202 = 1
NS-23/AZP-23/Akan m/470/2A42/Rh-202/M693 F1/I-Bushmaster/Bushmaster/ZPT-90/2A72 = 2
Bushmaster II/Rarden/KBA 25 = 3
Bofors/KDE 35 = 4
RH-503 = 5
Rate/comment/hate. I'd probably do some nerfing here and there myself, but these are IRL stats ported to wargame and its system.
>>133667462
yeah and you can get what, low availability overpriced panzergrens (14 per card in #RFA) or shitass deckungsgruppe (19 per card in #RFA) vs. getting 19/17 per card with Mot Schuzen/90 in #RDA or 21 per card with Motostrelci in #CZ, or even 18 per card with Motostrelki 90 in #URSS
>>133677952
This is all nice and dandy but I think autocannons, just like mg's, should be standardized into categories.
>>133678696
>saying West German infantry is bad
>in /wgg/
oh boy here we go
>>133677952
As long as the RoF and pricing were all set properly, looks fine to me.
>>133678696
>implying pzgren are overpriced
>implying deckungs are bad
>implying czech and russian strelki are worth anything, especially in bmp-2
You will feel more at home on the forums, or maybe reddit.
>>133678696
fuck off faust
>>133680585
pgrens 75 are overpriced with that launcher, they're cheaper even in ural mod
>>133680893
Considering they have the best mg in the game, no, they're not overpriced. Also >implying the pzf44 is bad
I fell for the 7.62 trap again. This time I'll limit myself to WW2 weapons just for making thing interesting.
>>133682537
What are you talking about?
>>133682827
7.62 high calibre. Look it up.
>>133678708
I'm not opposed to this but perhaps you could elaborate?
>>133679124
RoF is variable for a lot of autocannons so I left it alone. There's a ton of possible combinations you could do for balancing, but it's easier to just work with what you've got; otherwise, you'd have to break out the DPS calculator and even my autism isn't that bad.
>>133680893
>they're cheaper even in ural mod
MGs are standardised.
>>133683124
How similar is it to jagged alliance?
>>133684358
That I can't tell you as I never played JA. 7.62's in real time with something called "smart pause system".
>>133683643
Is that image trying to imply that PzGrenadiers' ATGMs were good? Because they sure as fuck weren't in EE.
>>133684358
7.62 is a lot more complicated, but you work with less people in a squad.
It's 3d
There's more RPGish stuff though I thought it was handled pretty poorly thanks to the translation.
They don't have JA merc's attitudes though.
I prefer JA with 1.13
Do you guys ever use flame tanks? How?
>>133687148
same as any fire support vehicle? Keep them in a safe treeline as your infantry advance across the open then move them forwards once you've cleared the edge. The obvious issue is that they completely fuck up where you presumably want to advance. I don't use them but I'm not that great at the game so maybe someone who is can tell you how.
>Lstr-40 hit and runs
>mig-17 bait/sead strike combo
>Mot/bmp-1 spam
>Fantastic cluster atry
>Quality ASF/Heli sniper
>Elite Hind-D spam out the ass
>Solid line tanks
>Numbers
DDR Meine Stadt
>>133687148
Suppress infantry in urban and forest environments.
Terrain denial and defensive fire support.
They're difficult to use because of how fucked LoS is in this game, but then they're completely over-modeled anyway so it balances it out.
>>133687703
Who doesn't want flame spitters with 1 km range.
>>133565886
C&C MOW mod when??
>all tanks standardized at 2275m
>tanks that had <2275m are adjusted by means of AP nerfs such that they'll still have their old AP value at their old max range thanks to KE scaling (a tank that had 13AP at 2100m is adjusted so it still has 13AP at 2100m but less at 2275m)
>accuracy is untouched, tanks that previously had <2275m are now more accurate at their old range
Tell me if this is retarded or not
>>133688849
>>accuracy is untouched, tanks that previously had <2275m are now more accurate at their old range
For what purpose
>>133690223
It's effectively the same thing as the vanilla change, just with the added bonus of actually being able to match 2275m tanks when shooting at unarmored things.
>>133677952
>2A42/KBA 25 = 25-30% ACC
>I-Rh-202/I-2A42/KBA 25/ZPT-90/2A72/Bushmaster/Rarden/I-Bushmaster/Bofors/KDE 35 = 1750
Your research failed. The 2A46 is far worse than you think.
>>133690390
2A42
>25% ACC
>1575m
>2AP
"Improved" 2A42
>30% ACC
>1750m
>1AP
Maybe the ACC is 5% too high, other than that I think it's pretty fair. What would you have it at?
>>133599813
Thanks to the Emperor that's only fan fiction
Can we just fuck off with the 40k memes? If I wanted autistic neck breathers with too much of their parents disposable income i would be on /tg/
Haven't played RD for a while out of frustration. Is the NATO bias still so stronk?
>>133694195
It was fun for a while but yes, it is getting a little stale now.
>>133687148
They have the highest HE output/price of any unit in the game. The problem is in order to use their weapon against their target they have to come pretty close or even within AT range.
You should advance your own infantry ahead of them as meatshields, then burn whatever they encounter. They'll be safe from AT unless your enemy micros their infantry well.
>>133697112
Do RD flamethrowers still require direct LOS?
>>133694195
>Calling 40k autistic
>In a general about the most autistic and niche genre of gaming in existence.
Just talk about shit you like, retard. We're not even at 300 posts yet and teetering towards page 10 constantly. /rtsg/ is in the tags, let people talk about their warhammer shit while you talk about shit you like. They aren't mutually exclusive you spergtastic retard.
>>133698621
>the most autistic and niche genre of gaming in existence
This isn't /air traffic control general/
>>133699347
No, it's a general where people fling shit at each other arguing who would have won in a war that never happened and would have never facilitated the battles to find out even if it did happen because nukes would have just ended the argument in hours.
>>133699548
>would have never facilitated the battles to find out even if it did happen because nukes would have just ended the argument in hours.
Spot the guy who learned everything he knows about nuclear war from popular media.
What the hell is the different tank gun ranges meant to represent in wargame anyway?
i can understand outdated WW2 shit have crap effective range
but more modern guns 100/105/115/120/125 having range differences?
>The vk3001h will never be a t6 medium again
Why live?
>>133700879
Fuck off /wotg/.
>>133703226
What the fuck was even the point of those christmas tree like superstructures.
>>133703276
To be able to fill the deck with more pew pew pew
>>133703276
Lookout tower and better radio transmission probably since radar weren't a thing back then.
>>133703276
Height above water makes the horizon further away. Tall superstructures give spotters and radar greater range.
>>133703276
To increase height and space for spotting points and searchlights for night fighting.
>>133703276
>>133703628
>Tall superstructures give spotters and radar greater range.
>radar greater range.
While it probably does give radar more range, it wasn't for radar, it was for spotters and range finders. And while it does help, it was ultimately pointless since:
A. Radar became a thing
B. Most of their engagements took place at close quarters at night
C. Hitting ships at over 20,000 yards is extremely difficult (longest range hit was some 26k yards by the Brits against the Italians)
D. Their main opponents doctrine, the US, called for closing to 15k yards to engage and not sitting back as far as they could
E. Carriers
>>133704583
Also I forgot.
F. Japs didn't even have radar til about 1944, and all of those Pagoda mast ships were built well before then.
>>133703523
>>133703628
Radar did exist back then. Nip radars sucked but I don't see why making the superstructure that bulky/wide.
>>133705462
How fucking dumb can you be? This ship, along with others that had this kind of superstructure like the Fuso class were built in 1913-1919 and the Japs didn't have any radar until 1921.
WW2 mode 7.62 is still pretty easy.
>ambushed by the american "tourists" (read: thee letter agency cunts)
>they all have bulletproof vests, good one at that
>SVT/nugget don't give a fuck
>one straggler shows up as my only merc is reloading his MN
>ditch the rifle, whip out C96
>first shot hits his chest and staggers him, follow up hits him in the head
>>133705784
They didn't have the pagodas until their refits in the 1930s. I don't know anything about when their navy started using radar though.
>>133707082
Their battleships started mounting surface search radar between late 43 and mid 44. They were getting air search radar around mid 43.
Didn't bother looking up other ships because we're talking pagodas.
>>133704583
Rangefinders and spotters still need to see the enemy from as far away as possible, even if not shooting at them yet. Knowing where the enemy is is always critical information.
>>133687446
But should the Mot '90 be in the BMP-1 or BMP-2?
>>133707689
Not disagreeing, but I can't think of one instance during WW2 where it gave them an advantage since the vast majority of the battles took place at night, and the only daylight engagement I can think of took place in 43 and didn't have any Jap BBs.
Is there a way to fix the horrendous load times on Civilization V??
>>133707689
Also forgot to add, on the open ocean, if you can see the enemy, they can see you.
>>133709054
Battleships were pretty much obsolete by WW2 anyway, aside from shore bombardment.
>>133708164
Bmp-1
It has 40 rounds of ammo to work with so it never runs out unlike every bmp-2 does after 30 seconds. Alpha damage capability to instagib 1 av units at max range unlike bmp-2 that will basically never kill shit at max range unless it's an ihawk in the open. Bmp-1 will never suffer "inefficient" effect due to heat. It is auto loaded, lower cost, and fills the missing asu85 role ddr lacks. All while doubling as an infantry transport instead of a seperate vehicle tab call in. You have not lived until you see a swarm of 6 bmp-1's roll up to an mbt and plink it to death.
>>133694565
No, the French devs have unleashed their inner socialist and finally granted sweeping buffs to accuracy across the PACT tank range
>>133712029
Sounds like fun. I'm new to DDR though and I see some people talking about the veterancy, would you say that it's significant (regarding the BMP-1)? Basically should I be bringing Mot, Mot '90, or the Napalm launcher guys in the BMP-1 and if so what should I use the other infantry slots for?
>>133712891
2 cards moto90 in bmp1, 1 moto75 in btr80, 1 lstr-40 in btr80, one moto75 in mtlb all at veteran training. Swap lstr-40 btr for mi8-mtv on big maps for faster insertion and to use mi-8 as shields for department of Homeland Security hinds. On non-grindy maps you can swap the moto75 in mltb for 7 hardened konkurs in 5 pt transports. As for support, hardened tor sync well with lstr-40 and fjb-40 man-pads due to 7 he so you can reliably cover a lot of area with one tor and infantry on the front. Cheap 35 pt spaags are still fantastic though. On heli rush river infested maps Osa akm is good too.
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>>133694565
Yes, but the USSR has atgm infantry so it's ok.
>>133709072
Decrease the amount of city states.
>>133712529
>universal buffs only affect pact
AH NUUU
>>133720798
What game?
>>133721159
Naval Action.
>>133721159
fun game
>>133698621
>wah wah I'm an autistic mouth breathing neck beard with too much of my parents disposable income>mfw when you have a point and I am now shitposting just for the bump
>>133721493
How's the community/player count?
Worth getting right now?
>>133722696
Player Count is growing slowly and Community is that we're all learning together since this is like JUST after alpha early access
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>>133424402
>wargmes
OP likes dick
10 pt t-34 never
>>133722943
>Only game where Danish flags are truely terrifying.
>>133713959
>2 cards moto90 in bmp1, 1 moto75 in btr80, 1 lstr-40 in btr80, one moto75 in mtlb all at veteran training
Huh, not bad. So Moto '90 in BMP-1 fuck shit up, Moto '75 in BTR-80 can zip around the map quickly, same goes for LStR-40, and Moto '75 in MT-LB for the grind. I like it. Haven't considered making alternative decks depending on the map but in hindsight it seems like a good idea.
I guess Mot. Schutzen are just better than Sturmpionieres?
>>133729312
Pionere are better against infantry but motschutzen are more versatile.
>>133679124
What is this from ?
>>133662470
Unfortunately the patch does not work, stuck at the activate part.Same problem with Normandy.
>>133619274
You sneak in and throw fused grenades on top of enemy squads while hoping your enemy does not do the same to you more than you can do it yourself.
>>133730727
Schwarzmarken or something or other
>DEPLOYING SMOKE SCREEN
>>133700237
>No we woulda had ww2 style battles for real guiz
We nearly annihlated each other from the face of the Earth over positioning of military hardware. We wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes of actual combat exchange without both sides firing the nukes. The entire reason it was even a cold war was because both sides knew that any actual conflict would immediatly result in pressing the button in fear of the OTHER side pressing the button first.
Don't be a fucking retard.
>>133730727
CMBS poster you're replying to here, It worked for me and installed just fine.
>Install base game
>Install 1.1 patch
>Install 1.3 patch
>Copy over and replace game .exe with the crack included in the separate download.
It never asked for an activation during the entire process for me.
Haven't tried Red Thunder and updated Normandy myself yet.
>EE "Wasteland" campaign
>"Okay, first 3 missions were pretty fun, I hope it will continue that way..."
>Mission 4 optional objective - "complete mission in 15 minutes"
Who in their right mind made such tight time objectives in game without active pause?
Tanks alone reach their destination in such big maps under 10-15 minutes, come on!
>>133733668
You're right, there wouldn't have been any escalation. That doesn't rule out conventional warfare, however. Any real conflict would have happened after the nukes fell. Everything was designed with this in mind, it's why we even built tanks that could survive direct blasts from nukes. Everything was equipped with NBC protection and air-filtration that would have made post-nuclear combat a breeze.
>Don't be a fucking retard.
You first.
>>133731465
Poorer than greece worst germany developing mechas ? I think i will pass.
>>133734924
Was reffering to the red thunder and Normandy, sorry for not being clearer.
are there any NATO nations that are fun to play
40 pt t-72 ural when?
>>133738884
>>133739530
In Red Dragon, specifically.
>>133737882
No, seriously, how the hell is that possible?
The best I could do was crossing the river twice at 7th minute mark. Then Im blocked, since assault at nearby anti-air poit result in losing 4 out of 8 tanks due to lack of LOS on enemy tanks and cant recon with heli because of that AA. Also, time restriction prevent me from gathering points to get arty.
I hate Eugene so much.
>>133623852
>>133624085
I still think I prefer the LAV-M, the fire rate is just that awesome. It's the same reason I love the Vasilek: being able to drop a shit ton of mortars on short notice.
>>133738884
My favorite part of nato is how distinctive each coalition is in play style, as opposed to pact. For example Scandinavians are infantry focused, euro corps combine french mobility with german durability, NORAD is a nice mix of fancy tech, etc. I'm no pro, but that's how I see it.Im not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that you have to clearly state on /vg/ that what you're saying is an opinion and that you aren't an all knowing deity just to avoid getting called a spastic retardInb4 spastic retard
>>133739907
>>133737882
Guys, please help. Im out of ideas.
This is fucking impossible. IMPOSSIBLE.
>>133738130
>War
>After nukes have destroyed everything worth fighting over and governments are in shambles or outright non-existant.
>>133740658
Okay, if anybody esle would face this problem, here is the solution I used.
Not taking east->north->west route like most of guides suggest, but straight north, with two T-80BM (or how they are named, one before U) with recon to deal with eastern forces (waiting near bridge), while two Havocs clear north. Meanwhile, arty with help of recon heli, shoot as mission locations for AA - first south one, then north one and then west one. With AA clear, Havoc avoid tanks and snipe CV, ending mission.
Require TONS of luck for arty shooting and multiple save and loads. But it works.
>>133746257
T-80BV
>>133746636
Oh, thank you.
From what I noticed, U cost 30 points more while not really being much better, so I hoped that two BV would do the job right. They did.
>>133746897
>T-80U
>not being much better than T-80BV
you gotta be tripping.
>>133748112
Im playing EE, maybe it gets better in other versions.
Slightly more powerful main gun, slightly better stabilizer, same armor - saving 60 points with two is crucial, when every single one matter.
BMP?
>>133740302
Don't bother with your shitty opinions, you're no all-knowing deity you spastic retard.Am I doing this right?
>>133733248
What server do you play on?
>>133739736
No because bluefor is good at gay stuff, while actually not very good at sensible stuff.
So if you like cloacking fields, terminators and underpriced laser cannons they are fun.
I can only make so much 40k OC to bump the thread.
ded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xjVLwoaNW8
>>133764550
Wargames noob here.
what're your go to groupings for artillery, heli, inf squads, etc?
any useful tips for battlefield management?
I'm having a hard time keeping track of my mini map and utilising it to move around the the battlefield.
>>133766649
If it's expensive, keep it single.
>>133766649
for most things keep them single, but call them in in groups or they will arrive with a delay.
deder
>>133717407
>completely disregarding the pact buffs
Just as bad as the NATO babbys.
deadest
dedest
>>133764550
>>133769620
>>133773732
>>133773743
who else /ded/ here?
>>133518963
I'm retarded what do I do with the crack?
When I extract it the folder is empty
When I extracted it into the CB folder it removed the launcher
smert
wow squad is fucking trash
$40 down the drain. Vehicles when
>>133783467
Squad is great, what don't you like?
>>133784263
sand niggers
>>133783467
>Latest dev update comes out
>Hope for news about vehicles
>Nothing but updates on boring as fuck, generic, open and bland forests/deserts because they are hiding that the engine can't support urban environments, let alone destructable ones
>Bragging about fucking physics for grass
We're sliding into scam territory now.
How do I into C:MANO
I bought it with my tax refund on sale and just what the actual fuck is any of the things that are happening.
Any guide I've looked up uses more unexplained acronyms than a dyslexic convention of thing namers.
I need some more REDFOR music.
Here's what I have so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTsRw_OJyFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4lYAPO81y8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Uju9KicUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAHrHd2lcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t815V9viQeU
and anything by Roki Vulovic
Do you guys have any to share?
>>133792738
Kino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8K0sW8GX-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cf9BuOegJQ
DDT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O0m4PdQz8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFJi3RieXS4
real oldschool soviet shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bjWUoU-tYU&list=WL&index=18
Hungarian shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGt-rTDkMcM
polish?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obvizJRnezA
do you like memes?
>>133797303
Mod for RA2?
>>133792738
That DPRK song
>>133792738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2tooIXKMOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofjcpbzOrCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyCD3LqfbJ8
>>133797615
not edgy meme version of that last song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJItrpLE8rE
kino is god
>>133794639
>posts DDT but no GrOb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpOJxBj1lBw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4wS_BI6u9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqWIe4Exk7E
>oldschool Soviet shit
I like this onealso my grandpa's favorite song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMRGWNY3Dvo
The Westies had a nice defense set up. Skirmishers in the woods, dug in fortifications in the town with overlapping fires, all covering bridge chokepoints and minefields.
Then they got nuked.
>>133798189
>edgy
>using buzzwords you don't understand.
![schutzenpanzer-lang-hs-30-12-3-04d[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ozg0ncQ.jpg "schutzenpanzer-lang-hs-30-12-3-04d[1]")
BMP before BMP was a thing
>>133798806
>GrOb
https://youtu.be/M6gkduytOmo
>>133786520
Vehicles are confirmed not tell April at the earliest more likely June or May
>>133806206
Well Squad's going to die, then.It's already impossible to get more than 50% attendance in the TAW group as is. The attrition rate is kinda bad too. Thanks, shitty devs.
>>133801465
what is the context of this pic
>>133808927
I don't know what the castle is called or where it's located but it looks West European so my guess is it's somewhere in Kaliningrad
>>133808927
>>133809272
Actually reverse image search reveals that to be Mon San-Michel in Normandy so maybe it's a shoop, what would T-80s be doing in France?
>>133809423
It's a shop. The real castle has a river where those tanks are. Also you can see a slight difference in the grass on one side of the wall compared to the other.
>>133809941
Oh yeah, it seems obvious now.
Mяy
Anon, pls gib PUTIN ASCII.
>>133783467
should have stayed with PR.
>>133814015
why
>>133815778
The message needs to be spread.
Woof
>>133818319
GOOD FLIGHT WHITE SWAN
Where can I find a comprehensive list of soviet (and soviet satellite states) military prototypes and/or projects that never left the drawing board, thanks to the eastern block crumbling?
>>133820986
Eugene-Gaijin Research Center
>>133818319
GOOD FLIGHT WHITE SWAN
>>133799418
What mission/campaign is this?
>>133822347
>she will never govern your region after occupation and use you as a slave
>>133822347
>those teeth
No wonder she smiles without showing them
>>133791472
Cook the man some eggs!
Auto shell ejection makes my pants tight.
>tfw not healthy enough to go to airborne troops
>just gonna make another Soviet airborne deck
>>133792738
>one hour of ddr music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22L5FCNPkrA
>katjuscha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_IVWfR1Gh0
>zinnsoldat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ynTsskKL8g
>grenzerkompanie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L740ESYghT0
>unsere panzerdivision
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ
>>133830878
Where are you from, anon?
>>133831980
Moscow
>>133821720
Custom scenario on the map Red Storm 11, or Rinteln.
>>133822347
is there a reason you're posting such an unflattering picture?
ded
When is Wargame gonna get moddable
>>133836709
Never, because according to Eugen "Mods split the community".
>>133836754
it would totally split all the 30 people on the forums who would actually see it.
>>133828706
What videogame is this from?
>>133837124
A 40k mod would just expand the amount of people playing wargame considerably.
I am personally getting pretty tired of the dawn of war engine.
when will hexshitters fuck off to their own thread
>>133842096
yes let's go ahead and make this place even deader
I feel kinda sad for them, seems like most people treat this like it's still the old /wgg/ (including myself)
>MoW:AS
>german missions
>5 fucking howitzers beset by 10 heavy AT guns at the back of the map
>infantry is suicide
>throw squad of light vehicles at it
>they die before they even get in range of the ATs
>tiger gets penetrated from every fucking side
>panther resists, but only frontally so i slowly direct control inch my ass across and pick off AT guns
>howitzers blow off tracks and injure crew constantly
>send 2 more panthers
>same fucking thing
>send in infantry transports to blitz the howitzers while its clear
>lolno
>the AT guns i took years to kill are now getting manned again
>somehow after punching At shots trough the barrel of the things and peppering them with He, theyre still fucking INTACT
>sturmtiger big meme
>at guns cant pen fontal
>inch my way to howitzers
>fire 4 rockets at the fucking hellish things
>crews and infantry gets CREMATED
>STILL INTACT GUN
>FIRE MORE ROCKETS
>FUCKING
>PRISTINE
>CONDITION
>REAL
>DEAL
>AMERICAN
>STEEL
>THEY GET MANNED AGAIN BY LOL INFINITE INFANTRY
>RESUME HELL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The first link in Graviteam DLC pastebin is dead, can someone reupload it please?
>>133842096
But this is a hexposter intended thread, you dumb rts shitter
>>133843291
What the fuck
>>133848181
Nice screenshot faggot.
>>133848264
Puush refuses to work with cropped screenshot, imagine a field of 5 dead panthers, and a flaming tiger with 2 detracked sturmtigers each with their entire crews dead and a 1:1 replica of the great wall of china entirely comprised of dead shermans
Dear /wgg/.
Any tips for last Wasteland mission in EE campaign? With patches, I mean.
Whole Wasteland campaign was like 10x less bullshit than Able Archer and even more fun than previous Pact one, but the last mission is defense one and I hate those, since they often turns into horrible loses as AI will face no problems sniping single units out of woods and such.
I just want to finish it and get over, since I started to hate this game more than like.
>>133848692
no.
Post screen or I will completely ignore your greentexting.
>>133837235
It's from Shield of the Prophet which is a DLC for Graviteam Tactics Operation Star.
any improvements i should make
>>133858508
Posting in the Arma general would be an improvement.post the mission
>>133859068
no
>>133858841
you want the mission file?
Getting in the mood to make a new map. Just don't know where.
What do you guys think?
>Red - Papenburg
>Blue - Remake and expand Wahlstedt-Bad Segeberg
>Green - Somewhere else west of the Weser
>Orange - Somewhere between the Elbe and Weser
>>133859703
Optionally I could also go for Hamburg itself, but it would take more work (Thanks to the ports) and I don't believe the Soviet doctrine involved laying siege to big cities.
>>133849923
Please respond ;_;
Necron lord for dow 2 last stand soon.
>>133859703
Make something in Ukraine))
panthers are great.
my first webm, not sure if i have the settings right.
>>133866136
better quality i think?
>>133858508
yeah kill yourself for playing at UO
>>133864818
That would imply that NATO utterly destroyed the GSFG, NVA, PPA, CSLA and were pushing into the Soviet Union's borders itself, maintaining the logistics to do so even post-exchange.
>>133859534
>you want the mission file?
Yes
>>133867901
It's a game, it's fantasy by nature.
>>133868008
>blue salamander
wot
>>133818319
GOOD FLIGHT WHITE SWAN
What is the most efficient infantry to come with BMP-1(whatever variant)?
Obviously it is Mot-Schutzen, but what else would work best besides this unit?
Also, how would the inf slot of a DDR Mechanized deck work out, especially if focused for urban warfare?
I was thinking 2/3 of Mot-Schutzen '75 in MT-LBs, and 1/2 (or was it 3?) of the '90s variant in MT-LBs as well (always worked well in Copenhagen and Wonsan). The problem is that once the infantry inside houses teleport deeper inside the city the transport becomes useless because no LoS. What to do?
>>133872337
You'd be surprised to find that they synchronize well with FIST squads.
>>133862697
im glad relic didnt fully abandon dow 2 it gives me hope that more content will come down the lineprobably not
>>133869917
Its not the salamanders. I just used the Salamanders mark because I like it and you gotta use something when you create a chapter.
>>133872337
Always take bmp-1 with infantry over the mtlb. 5 pts nets you the ability to out class all transports that have just hmg, almost all that have 1 fav (heat 1 hit ko), and in numbers defeat expensive transports like bradleys (2 hit ko).
Say you buy all your infantry in mtlb to save dosh right, a card will save you 60 pts (12x5), but you are going to buy a cheap tank for fire support anyway. 12 bmp-1-sp-1's can easily give you a positive return over 60 pts in harassing fire or fire support killing soft shit and suppressing infantry. Not to mention it gives your infantry a 2fav transport ability to survive lucky cheap atgms/rpg's or mbt hits. Yor 5 pt transports lack 2 av, or a decent hmg to attempt to provide support. They are literally battle taxis with no other use but flank detection. The 12 bmp-1 can be sent to the flanks or middle of choke points and harass or get lucky kills especially considering they are going to be veteran.
East Germany lacks a cheap 10 pt fire support unit like asu85, so the bmp- is a steal considering it is basically like getting your infantry on the field for free and buying fires support.
ded
As someone whose only experience comes from the Total War series, Relic RTS games and Total Annihilation, how easy is Wargame to get into? A friend gifted it to me on Steam as part of a debt and it looks like fun.
>>133878823
Quite hard to get into.
Once you do its fun for a while, until you realize the game is dead ,full of tryhards and quitters .
And that the shitters matches made by /wgg/ so starters could play among themselves stoped being done.Because I completely forgot about Wargame for a while
>>133878823
If he gifted you EE stop considering him as a friend and break both his legs. Also it isn't easy to get into AT ALL.
>>133879036
That's a shame. I don't mind playing against AI and I have a couple of buddies to play it with. It's just not the sort of strategy game I'm familiar with and the scale and realistic nature of it takes a lot of getting used to.
Any general tips or advice?
>>133879203
He gave my Red Dragon. Another mate also owns it and was looking for people to play it with so he offered to buy it for me in exchange for lowering the debt.I'm probably never going to see that fucking money and it wasn't even that much, but the principle still stands.
>>133879329
>I don't mind playing against AI
You will in Wargame's case. The AI cheats A LOT.
>Any general tips or advice?
Yeah, read the OP.
>>133879329
Forests are infantry highways, armed recon is op, german weaponry is op, helicopters are mostly useless, planes are either a massive point sink or a game changer.
>>133881685
I'm reading the Steam guide now, but thanks anyway. I usually avoid asking basic questions in generals when guides are in the OP, but I appreciate any little tips people can provide.
>>133866136
Hah, didn't know that was possible.
iowa
is he dead? better make sure.
>>133879329
If you have friends to play with it's so much fucking fun just screwing around in noobs games and slowly learning the game.
ded
There was a thread.
Then it died.
The End
What's the most effective ADN layout for USSR/Eastern Bloc?
IRs and Shilkas?
SPAAG trucks and Osas?
>>133902560
I am a big fan of OSA-AKM
>>133902560
I'm a big fan of Shilkas, Strela-10Ms, and a BUK/KUB.
Or if you're Czech, Strop2 instead of Shilkas.
>>133902560
I roll with shilka for flank/cv defense, osa ak for anti plane and tunguska for anti helo.
>>133889025
>Those running animations
>>133859703
I'd go with orange
>>133864818
>))
what the fuck does this mean, I keep seeing it every now and then
is this some kind of dank meme I'm not getting
>>133911564
it's slav for ":^)"
ded
deder
>>133797346
yea, check out moddb
>>133887851
No way a missile penetrates that shit
So can these guys use their PKM in cqc or what?
>>133920117
nope :)
Eger and polish shock recon are fucking shit
>>133920117
No CQC tag, so they can't use it in the same city block, otherwise they can use it the rest of the time, which is nice.
>>133902560
About 2 units of Igla/Grom in cities, spread on different blocks or both together whatever you like.
Then close by behind the city you can place whatever shit you like. Radar SPAAGs, IR missiles, or a shit ton of non-radar AAA all around the city. can work, but you must micromanage the heavier the unit. 1 Tunguska with guns on can do a quick job of anything when used correctly, and it cannot be spotted within a city.
At a certain distance behind the city/frontline, place the heavy SAMs. They should be placed in a position where they can catch Evac planes and far enough to manually shut off / turn on radars in case of SEAD.
I always thought all the redit hate was 75% just memes but this thread had me in stitches. It's amazing to think that people are autistic enough to enjoy a game like wargame yet are sensitive enough to be upset by war memes. Idk why but I found this fucking hilarious and yet kind of upsetting at the same time.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/wargame/comments/48lx42/meta_you_know_i_feel_like_we_should_draw_a_line/
>>133925687
>normies get offended by the real world
what's new
>>133925687
>leddit ever
>upsetting
faggot
Are they ever going to release another W:RD patch? It's been long since last one and T-64BM still didn't get a price increase (not that I like it)
>>133928448
> It's been long since last one
it's been like, 2 weeks
>>133867202
Isn't the place to have this discussion, but.
.... where the fuck else can you go for large scale ACE/ACRE?
>>133930785
nowhere, but that doesn't change the fact that UO is shit now
shame really, they had a good thing going in 2012 until their regulars got anally ravaged from all the fun people were having and nearly torpedoed the entire group
Meow
red dragon on discount when
>>133925687
>guys please put trigger warnings on your posts now :^(
>war and death triggers me
Juckwidae truck transports when?
Are Assault Engineers good? I'm trying to choose between them and Stinger C. I could also drop ATACMS in favor of the Avenger, I just want those delicious Stingers.
>>133944207
What's the name of this movie?
>>133920552
More like
>otherwise they can have it disabled the rest of time with almost no dps loss
>European Escalation
>"Wasteland" campaign finally being somewhat fun
>Final mission is defense one
>Out of all mission types it had to be defense one
>No active pause means crazy looking for every problematic point in defense line that had to be spread out in incredible way.
>Minimap is one big red dot
>SIRENS EVERY SECOND
>Army getting wped while you fight with that single tank in group refusing to place itself at the edge of the forest so it can shoot back
Why?
Why Eugene hate SP players? Their defense missions are horrible.
>>133919426
>no way a paveway penetrates a pz4
>>133944207
Taegukgi
>>133948213
Please help.
There is no info around the net, all video walkth ends before wasteland, all are about pre-atches version, not even their forums knows anything.
Is there some sort of cheese I miss?
>>133949334
Do you have helo and/or artillery? Are there slopes on the map?
>>133925687
What a bunch of faggots.
>>133949548
The areas you have to defend are perfectly flat, with ocassional forrests that only block your own units view, not enemy's.
Helos acted as quick react force but burned out all supplies, along with other defenders. I placed extra few FOBs, along with already existing ones but all supplies are long gone. Plus, couldnt defend the sole reinforce sector in map.
Im pretty sure that AI spawn units out of thin air anyway, but I couldnt really destroy enemy CVs in reinforce zones - too many units and arty without recon cant really hit shit (said recon cant get close enough).
>>133949334
Nothing wrong with keeping the thread alive, but having difficulty with EE means you have to git gud.
It seems like you do not have enough recon or helis every time you whine. Really, you can never get enough of recon. Once you spot their units then hammer the shit out of them with arty with same stats as Pion/Malka/Dana.
Helicopters are the only air units in EE, and every tactician worth his salt knows how important air support is. So use them after you fuck up their defenses WITH the help of recon+arty.
>>133950006
Any city, river or other terrain feature? Otherwise just make sure that your units have clear los and position them to get side shots.
>>133950253
What defenses? In WMD mission, the last mission in Wasteland campaign, I AM defending.
You probably just forgot about what mission Im talking about.
>>133950521
Here is example video from this mission:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Tcs65fZFs
Note that the guy use pre-patched version and yet still suffer horrible loses right from the start. I cant copy his strategy, it fails, at least in my patched game.
daily reminder that arma is deserving of the wargame title
BV or BV1
>>133951254
Also want to add that, judging from my previous experiences, I still cant just snipe enemy CVs and expect to stop enemy from spawning. Or to check arty all the time, if they dont lock in aiming (they do that frequently, aiming bar stops and refuse to progress. Even with clear line. Even with recon having LOS on target).
>>133952618
>I need 7 tanks
T-64BV1
>I need to kill m1a1's
T-64BV
>>133953691
>I need to kill m1a1's
>T-64BV
Thanks that's pretty much the answer I was looking for. I've been using T-72A/T-72B1/T-72BU and I got pretty fucked up last game by M1A1s so I decided I needed something in the 120 point range, because if my heaviest is just a pair of T-72BUs then that is not nearly enough.
>>133953265
T-64BM? I don't wanna get used to something that's just going to be taken away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5R9SZM2jaE
>>133952716
Completely not ideal strategy, but I just hid single unit and it managed to stay undetected until timer hit, while every single other unit got wiped out.
Also checked that DLC campaign and oh boy. No recon, no helis, no arty, 20 minutes to get more points than Pact that start with 1k.
>>133955156
Oh and no save option during mission, for whatever reason. So when 8 tanks and 8 tank destroyers missed every single shot against moving enemy recon, I couldnt do anything about it.
I hate this game so much, just want to get that stars to unlock reamining units, uninstall and never look back.
>>133955424
>save scumming
You're better than that.
>>133956606
Game cheats, why I shouldnt apply savescummin in response?
>>133925687
i posted one months ago of a tank trying to reverse out of an atgm and getting smacked, and i didnt go on for like a week, when i did next it had about 75 comments, all from about 3 people arguing if it was snufff or not
>>133958282
>bragging about being a redditor
>>133955156
Anybody got better idea?
I dont like how I got everyone wiped and "won" just because I had that single hidden unit.
>>133927713
Idk mang, I know I'm taking this reddit levels of serious but it just kind of bothered me the hypocrisy.
>>133946443
Tae Guk Gi(Brotherhood)
Pretty amazing movie, highly recommend it, don't watch the dubbed version, loses a lot of the emotion of the subbed version. Probably my all time favorite war movie, DESU.
I wish more movies and games covered Korea.
>>133951792
Daily reminder that ArmA can sustain it's own general but doesn't bother anymore because they cave in on their own autism and thus aren't allowed elsewhere.
>>133925687
Wow I missed this. faggots
I just started playing Men of War 2, and dam this game is pretty fun.
The multiplayer is a bit weird (Including people kicking you from lobbies for being new, faggots).
The inventory system is also great, in pic related i awarded a shitty rifleman with a Stahlhelm for killing 4 germans with 1 granade.
>>133965708
MoW is quite a based series in general.
Waiting to see how shit that next game is gonna be.
>>133966710
I just wished i looked better.
Never forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ-sCT_maAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUjma7K7QRI
Cool little 3d presentations regarding modern mechanized fighting doctrines.
>>133971461
Is that fucking Arma
Pre-content Bump
>>133976520
According to the video, the simulation used is VBS, the US army simulator engine used to create Arma. I did not intend to Arma post at all though.
>>133976531
This scenario is intended to be a final test of the 2.0.10bs restoration. Should it succeed, I can proceed to once again post content re: Flashpoint Campaigns.
The mission area is based around the Weser River crossing at Rinteln. This battle has no involvement with a grander scheme (No NVA units would be operating in this sector) and the area merely provides the battlefield for the two combatants. Combat occurs in July 1989. An NVA unit is advancing on the A2 Autobahn westward. Regimental recon has identified that while the highway itself is clear, there is a defensive NATO position located in the town of Heeßen that could jeopardize future movement along the Highway should it stand. A combined-arms Kampfgruppe is formed outside of doctrine to assault Heeßen and capture the bridgeheads over the Auebach.
The Kampfgruppe consists of a Single Tank Battalion, one MRB (BMP), two Regimental Artillery Groups (One Organic with 2S1 and D-30, the other with 2S3), An AA Kompanie, Mi-2 Scout helicopter section and Mi-24 attack helicopter section. Also supporting the KG are a flight of attack fighters. The first section are MiG-23MFs armed with S-5K rockets and KH-66 Grom missiles, and the second section consists of an Su-17M4 section armed with Fuel Air Explosives.
Note the Osas in the Kampfgruppe. At Regimental levels, these would more likely be Strela-10Ms, but they were swapped out to fill the "Soviet Big 7" threats.
The defenders are identified as a West German Panzergrenadier Battalion. Reports indicate they are equipped with Marder-1 IFVs and Mortars. In addition, Leopard-1 type tanks, Jaguar-type SPATs, and Gepard SPAAGs have also been sighted in the area, and are likely attached by company. Finally, the enemy positions are protected by obstacles and minefields, making this a breaching operation.
>>133983216
your app6a usage is shit
>>133983824
NATO Military Symbols for Land Based Systems was the NATO standard for military map marking symbols. It was published as Allied Procedural Publication 6A (APP-6A). The symbols are designed to enhance NATO’s joint interoperability by providing a standard set of common symbols. APP-6A constitutes a single system of joint military symbology for land based formations and units, which can be displayed for either automated map display systems or for manual map marking. It covers all of the joint services and can be used by them.
>>133983916
>>133983824
>>133983595
I'm not noticing anything terribly wrong. If you mean the lack of numbers and letters, that's because neither formation is properly named. Otherwise it could be that they're hard to read because I failed to use contrasting colors.
At least somebody has a sense of humour
https://www.reddit.com/r/wargame/comments/48o2ho/when_your_jager_dont_run_fast_enough_xddd/
>>133984867
How dare I forget that line.
>>133985120
also you used the wrong symbols for the germans, they are your opfor not blufor
>>133985256
The symbols used are from either side's perspective. Otherwise I would have also used NATO symbols for the NVA.
>>133985358
nigga you crazy
Guess what this is.
>>133987571
A FAMAS?
>>133984434
reddit pls go and stay go
>>133987571
Is it a redditor?
>>133983216
The West Germans open contact by shooting down one of the Mi-2s with AA fire. The remaining scout helicopter screens south and is given new orders to use a different pathway on it's scout mission. The remaining OH however identifies both the location of a mortar battery, as well as one platoon of Jaguar 2 TOW carriers. Their coordinates are assigned to artillery.
The Leopard 1 company opens up immediately from their treeline, unsuccessfully engaging the T-72s at distance along the road. The T-72s, along with direct fire from their attached 2S1 battery, inflict moderate casualties on the Leopard 1's, claiming 2 tanks. The Mi-24Ps on overwatch, pop up from the southern hill and disable another two Leopards.
Knowing the enemy possesses a significant AA threat, the East German commander opts to reserve his fixed wing assets until artillery SEAD can disable or sufficiently suppress them. The MSB is held in reserve for the tanks to find a gap in the enemy lines, who themselves have made an attack plan against the northern enemy positions: The leading tank company will occupy Rolfsnagen and then the rest of the tank battalion will move north into the woods to perform a flanking maneuver.
>>133991060
OH reports: Fire on the mortars was effective, the Leopards abandoned their positions to defend closer, and the town is full of bad guys. In addition, enemy reserves appear to be on the move along the road. The enemy commander is engaging them awfully early, were those tanks all he had in the north?
>>133992990
In light of these developments, the northern woodline is chosen to be the axis of attack. The T-72M's flank plan is abandoned in favor of simply clearing the road. The advance guard, instead of occupying Rolfsnagen, is now to approach the woodline alongside (abstracted) engineers and clear the way of any potential mines or obstacles. The MRB is then to follow them inside the woodline and prepare to assault the northern bridge at Bad Eilson. Covering all this will be the Mi-24 section providing overwatch. The D-30 batteries are then to continue suppression of the enemy anti-tank platoon.
The MiG-23s reveal that their fuel will soon be depleted and that they cannot remain on station any longer. The commander orders them on their first and only attack run: Intercepting the marching enemy reserves. 2S3 fires will help suppress local air defense.
>>133995351
The MiGs failed to detect the marching reserves, and ended up engaging some trucks in the nearby woodline instead. On the way out, their primitive RWRs failed to warn them of an additional Gepard platoon that had been undetected by the first helicopter pop-up. The sky filled with smoke and fire as one of the MiGs spiraled down to the Earth...
ELINT assets and the surviving MiG identify the Gepard's position, and the entire 2S3 battalion is on call to wipe it out.
HQ was alerted by the sudden presence of thick clouds of smoke appearing on one of the far woodlines. It seemed strange, as he had not ordered any smoke missions fired and his subordinate commanders also did not report any calls for smoke. NATO must have fired them! The smoke could have been there to obscure a maneuver, but the experienced commander was aware that this was a commond NATO tactic that relied on their advanced technology: Units with thermal sights could be snuck into these smoke clouds and see out and towards a killzone, while remaining obscured themselves. The Commander immediately orders a fire mission on the position of these clouds!
Meanwhile, the T-72s have made their preparations and are ready to depart...
>>133996864
Forgot image. Also going to eat.
BMP
Man, Sandbox mod is awesome! I just wish the AI wasn't so damn glitchy.
Based hexposter.
The OH confirms the commander's suspicion: Jaguar Anti-tank platforms have been moved into the smoke...
In addition, the mobile Gepard systems scooted from their positions before the artillery could hit them, resulting in a lot of wasted ordnance. Additional mortars - or the remaining survivors are spotted further up the hill alongside the repositioned Gepards. Artillery is vectored accordingly.
>>134001463
Behold one of the weaknesses of Flashpoint Campaigns: Unit AI is fucking dumb.
The rest of the battalion should have stopped when the advance guard started losing vehicles to mines. Instead they mindlessly advanced, and now have all neatly stacked themselves on the minefield, stuck for 30 minutes while the engineers work their way through the new clusterfuck. Losses are 8 tanks (1 Catastrophic kill) and an unknown number of BMPs/Infantry.
Good thing the West Germans don't have any effective indirects right now, or these two battalions would be completely wiped out by the next turn.
>>134002390
Pic
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Earlier on, the Jaguars were not deterred by suppression artillery fires. They opened up and terminated several BMPs as well as disabling their organic mortar battery, but unluckily themselves were wiped out when the smoke cleared early, exposing them to the Mi-24s.
Ambush! The advance guard runs straight into a dug-in company of panzergrenadiers, supported by remaining Jaguar systems. Casualties are heavy in the woods: the advance guard loses all but one of it's 12 remaining tanks and the survivor is routed. When the main body arrives, an additional 4 tanks are disabled by ATGM fires. The West Germans themselves are not without their own losses however, suffering almost all of their Marder 1's lost.
An unexpected Mortar barrage kills the MSB's Major and one of his staff members assume command. Artillery claims the northern Gepard position destroyed, and Mi-24s are immediately ordered to provide direct support as well as cut off any enemy reinforcement route.
Finally, the recently arrived Su-17s declare that they are low on fuel from their long journey, and can only afford one strike. They are ordered to drop their FAEs on any identifiable positions at the northern bridge, as attacking the ambushing Panzergrenadiere would be danger close.
>>134004027
2S3 fire has wiped out the remaining Gepard batteries, and now Pact air power has total freedom of engagement... The Su-17s swoop in, and decide simply to drop their FAEs over the town itself, claiming a truck, a bunch of buildings, and presumably a lot of civilians. Bingo on fuel, they return home.
The rear guard tank company swings around the ambush and forward, discovering the Panzergrenadier's HQ. They continue in their advance, and get eyes on the bridge...
Another Ambush. Leopard 1s on the reverse slope as well as dug-in ATGMs/Tanks on the far bank wipe out 7 T-72Ms in a handful of minutes. The lone survivor retreats, placing himself neatly in the way of the now retreating ambush.
The Mi-24s will provide spotting and covering fires as the artillery is then ordered to turn the far bank into a No-man's land...
>>134005201
Another ambush! A single Leopard 1 platoon creeps up the wooded hills and strikes both the T-72Ms and the lead MRC. Their fire is effective, destroying a platoon of BMPs, a BTR, and a T-72. Worse still, the Mi-24s are spent and hurry back to the FARP for re-arming.
Artillery is immediately vectored to their position.
>>134006895
With only one hour left on the timetable, the East German commander is desperate to seize at least one bridgehead before he is relieved. Everything that can be moved forward is: Two MRCs, the Shilka platoon, whatever surviving tanks, and the restocked Mi-24s. Artillery fires FASCAM on potential enemy reinforcement routes and is ordered to intensify bombardment. The situation is rapidly becoming "Move it or lose it".
>>134007563
Intense artillery bombardment finally dislodges West German forces on the far bank. The Nearby 2S1s disable the ambushing Leopard platoon, and the MRB prepares to depart...
The last action of the battle sees the two Mi-24s swoop in from the north, tossing ATGMs and rocket fire as they please. The shaken West German survivors, a handful of Marders and Leopards, are eliminated to the last man by the hunting Hinds.
The ending of the battle sees two heavily armed gunships strolling over a now silent and empty bridgehead.
However, the East Germans are out of time. At 4 hours, follow-on forces arrived to see that the highway has not been cleared of obstacles or enemy forces. Time is precious for the operation! This is a setback. While his performance isn't too terrible, he will nonetheless likely receive a reprimand from his superiors.
Considering the situation and events, the VP allocation is calculated at 41% for the East German - a tactical draw, but operationally a failure.
What lessons were learned this time?
Attention:
BMP
>>134010496
Throw the BMP down the well!
>>134011120
So my country can be free!
>>134011120
BMPs can't fit in wells.
>>134013346
>Sergei, how we can pleasure OP's mom and invadings Chechnya at same time?
>I am of coverings it, Ivan
>>133932135
>shame
Indeed, had some good times 2011-2013 when I played regularly, gained some awesome stories.
>>134012386
I need more pics of firing/advance lines.
>>134015385
>>133523393
Protip for Sandbox mod: Get units in vehicles that has guns bigger than autocannons. This will force all vehicles to go to the frontline instead of bunching at base and killing fps.
we wuz bmp
>>134008682
everything went fine until the minefield hit
whatcha gonna do when BMP comes for you?
Too early or too late to die.
>>133963060
>Tae Guk Gi
This one is pretty good, though I liked "Assembly" more
>>133966710
It's pretty alright. I honestly think, gameplay wise, it's a straight improvement. Where it suffers so far is the low amount of faction depth. If it had a bigger roster, An special unit category, or at least a third faction, I'd probably not move back to assault squad.
>>134026757
Never heard of it, I'll have to check it out. Have you seen 'My Way'? Done by the same guy that did Tae Guk Gi, has some of same actors too. Also pretty good and has a pretty damn interesting RL story too.
>>133976520
Meh, it's used only as a visualization for the narration of field manuals, so I'm pretty ok with that
>>134028134
>s-8 pods on mi-8 never
I'm having a lot of fun with combat mission , playing an attack with US against Ukies right now, because I can.
Being really outnumbered because of the high cost of US, which makes things a bit more interesting.
It'd be a lot easier if I had thought to bring breach charges or to shoot open a breach in the walls earlier.
>inb4 'mortar bait blob'
Yeah I know.
>>134028018
I liked My Way, but holy shit those battle scenes were hilarious garbage.
RIP in peace
fucking Ukies
>>133944942
Yes assault engineers are very good right now, considering they no longer have a minimum range penalty.
>>134035420
Yeah I decided to keep them and just git gud at using my other AA.
>i.4cdn.org/wsg/1457084692497.webm
I made a huge mistake.
I knew there was a squad and command team in the courtyard.
I didn't know that the entire remainder of the enemy force was in there.
It all went to shit in the end, I really had no idea what I was in for or that there were so many Ukrainians entrenched so closely to my units without me even knowing.
Still a 'major victory' even after mini-Stalingrad.
Anyone have the picture where there is a comparison on what a casul rtsfag sees in based hex autism game and a wggfag who praises based t80s?
>>134042707
This one?Damn, I miss old /wgg/
>>134042707
>>134045158
This image was always retarded.
The hex game isn't even an RTS.
Anyone kind enough to host the CMBS main file elsewhere? Yandisk keeps stopping the download halfway.
>>134047479
That's the joke, casual RTS plebes don't appreciate hexshit.
>>134049459
>RTS players don't appreciate a game that isn't an RTS
>Redditors trying to be funny.
>>134049664
I know, crazy to think that people who like one type of strategy game might like another type of strategy game.
>>134051132
>casual RTS plebes
>Can't even tell the difference between TBS and RTS
>Implying gookclick of all games is casual with your reddit meme image when it's one of the most autismal strategy games made to the point that only soulless korean robots are any good at it.
Fuck off with your dumb reddit comics
>>133738265
I've just tested CM:Red Thunder just now and I've had no problem installing and running it.
Make sure to apply the patches and crack file for 1.03 before running the game.
>>134051686
I bet you're fun at parties.
>>134016202
Cheers mate.
>>134052724
That IS the joke, burgercuck. Spreadsheet games have just the same amount of realism and relevance to rl warfare as aliums attacking spesh hoomans ie realism is just another pushable brand, like any other brand. Emphasis on -Ism instead real.
What is the average reply wait in /vg/? This is first post here.
>>134054442
10+ minutes.
>>134055115
Danke. I shall increase vigilans accordingly.
>>134016202
The fps problem seems to be caused by all the infantry being unloaded immediately after they've arrived on the map rather than having a bunch of vehicles bunching up.
Any other ideas on how to make the sandbox mod run smoother and the AI work better?
>>134054001
Wow, you kicked the shit out of that strawman, great job. The comic isn't about realism, or reddit, or even RTS players really. It's just an amusing observation about the obscurity and niche-appeal of hexshit games, and how /wgg/ interprets those games.
Do yourself a favor and get a sense of humor.
I was told you guys could explain semi circles to me.
>>134045158
Thanks comrade
>>134055737
Humor is relative. Just because your little comic got its shit pushed in and it's epsitemological limit a bit expose doesn't warrant you from throwing a bitchfit. Your spreadsheet gaems are still good for escapist hobbies, just don't buy the illusion those games make you any superior from a civilian with a lot of surplus time.
Can this work in 1v1, how would you autists change this?
>>134056971
shit is kind of fucked imo
>>134017024
What am I looking at here.
>>134022926
Get the fuck out of there no niggas just gonna stand around. Gotta be crazy.
>>134056971
Bretty good.
>>134056971
maybe t-80um to t-80u? And mig-27k to just upvetted mig-27. Upvet VDV if you find out you rarely use all two cards
>>134056971
Looks bretty tight to me, but isn't the other mortar, despite having a slower RoF supposed to be much better than the Vasilek for smoke etc?
Will need another anon to confirm this though.
>>134057228
>>134057843
>>134058463
>>134058590
Thanks lads.
Made some modifications based on your input and a guy on steam.
Less tanks since I rarely have needed them all. More vehicles to cover flanks and cvs
>>134059571
I think the previous one was better.
>>134055737
>herp derp hurr.
comics is reddit shit and I have no disdain for Hex.
>Do yourself a favor and get a sense of humor.
upboat.
>>134059571
Post decks to reach ded quicker
>>134056971
i dont know mang, having 26 squads of vdv 90 seems a little excessive and since you already have 2 infantry with flame launchers i might grab some motos as fodder. but definately a good deck and probably better the way it is.
>>134065379
>heavy metal
Why did you c.uck yourself out of 5 points by making it a coalition. The spaag could have been filled easily by Russian spaag and I'm sure you can't be that desperate for 2 T-90s, Russia has a butt-ton of heavies.You're not even doing it for the meme units
>>134066356
I-I-I'm sorry..
>>134059571
much better, your tanks were def excessive for 1v1 and you really lacked those cheap supporting vehicles (aka shilka + zptu)
only changes i would consider would be take the cheaper recon helo instead of brdm2 so youre not just relying on ka52 for flank scouting, to swap out a vdv for some more spammable motos (debatable i guess) and put the spetz in btr90s. also idk if you need 2 asf cards but maybe thats just personal opinion.
DED
deder
>>134065820
>tfw I always run out of vdv, motschutzen or lu zhandui
The life of an infantry spammer.
>>134065379
>those airtabs
It's almost like you don't want to have "I win" buttons.
>>134069762
>>134073954
>>134059571
I want to post, but we hit the image limit.
so mig-25bm or su-24 for SEAD?
>>134076269
I'd say mig-25bm. I used to take the su-24 but it's just too shitty. The mig is overpriced but at least it functions as sead.
should we make a new thread now or just bmp?
>>134080956
a new thread would be nice yeah so I can post some meemees.
die
is it true that an anon uploaded cracked CMBS
where is thew link
>>133581203
>uralmod being patched into the game
this is a good thing
>>133786520
They had the best intentions but there is little to be done about all this shit.
Even their vaunted humvee can't handle all the rubber banding.
RIP my last hope for a nice shooter. Maybe rising storm 2 will be gud.
>>134091132
it was RT and BS but one had malware on it just so you know
>>134058590
Those tanks in the front are ayy lmao every time.
>>134096902
>Maybe rising storm 2 will be gud.
What with how Killing Floor 2 turned out? Fat chance.
>it's early access done right guise!
>>134076269
>>134076957
MIG 25PD or SU 27S for air superiority?
With Combat Mission do you lot play the 'turns' or real time?
>>134098671
Combat Mission gives you the option of playing either Real-time or order/action phase real-time (The WEGO system also found in Flashpoint Campaigns)
>>134098770
I know but which do you prefer. Poor phasing reading it back
>>134099104
Depends on whether you prefer RTS-style play or TBS-style play.
>>134099207
I do TBS because I like being able to rewind action and on larger battles its not possible to see everything going on at once.
Also its the original way to play.
My ideal mode would be RTS style with the ability to review and rewind the last 30 seconds of combat (without changing your orders).
Should I just post the new thread now?
>>134102208
if by now you mean in 70 posts.
Then yes.
>>134102208
Yes, I need to post my
>>134099207
>>134101769
Im just trying TBS right now for the first time. Only a small sacle thing atm but I'm finding I can think more. I miss the madness of RTS but it feels more like I'm the Colonel actually sitting back and planning how something will work out.
I'd put some screens up of the Waffen SS holding off a mass of Paras in Holland but oh well
>>134096902
>They can't even handle making something work on one of the most advanced engines in gaming
>That worked on one of the weakest engines in 2001.
>>134076269
>>134076957
Su-24 IMO. Personally I don't see the point of expensive SEAD. It's not more survivable cardwise, it's not more survivable pointwise, it spends a lot more time reloading, it costs more than the bomber you're screening with it..
The only advantage is that there's less time for the enemy to react.
>>134098142
PD supported by MLD or PU.
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