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>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.
>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then find the Career Agents & run all of their missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.
>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.
Read the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/t9Af7NJY
Future:
>Spring: Citadel expansion & cap rebalance release
>Spring: Amarr Championship finals: Tash-Murkon (Kelon Darklight) vs Kor-Azor (Lysus)
Past:
>Dec 10: Shekel Madness 2: Electric Boogaloo is a bit lackluster; eagerly anticipating loot table changes
>Dec 08: Grids are now 8000km wtf, pos / station / gates sharing grids
>Dec 08: FROSTLINE IS HERE http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/operation-frostline/
>Nov 26: Fozzie confirms OGB removal in ~1 month (after Frostline)
>Nov 25: shitposting about goons reaching critical levels community-wide
>Nov 23: Leak of possible Frostline rewards on Sisi imgur.com/gallery/zQ7ED/new
>Nov 20: overview of FROSTLINE EXPANSION (new event, ships, balancing, visuals): http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/operation-frostline-and-holidays-in-eve-online-an-update-from-ccp-seagull/
>Nov 19: Dropbears are all out of All-Out's hole
>Nov 18: MITTENS & CO GET RUSED THE FUCK OUT BY PH, AUTZ BEST TZ
>Nov 17: Command Dessie feedback thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6171886#post6171886
>Nov 05: Manny kicked from CSM (leaks?)
>Oct 25: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reworking-capital-ships-and-thus-it-begins/
>Oct 15: SP trading concept presented
>Aug 13: Citadel FAQ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEbMx9xUXje3KH4AppvcjSSoALUVtVEaK6ZZ-zy2Lrs/edit#
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
first for
>amarr
Reminder that this caused five wardecs to occur
http://pastebin.com/mmXG3Ve5
>>128600430
previous thread: >>128294435
And the thing that started it all.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/51013480/
>>128601047
Have you ever been cucked so hard that you payed billions of your own isk to wardec shitters because they made fun of you.
>>128601047
>trottel martin
ive encountered this guy before make sure you call him a nazi and/or other various inflamatory german stereotypes
did they implement ship age based visual effects yet?
>>128604483
yes
>>128604794
can I get some examples of it?
>mfw beam punisher master race
>>128600430
10th for glory holes
>>128601047
my poor sides
>Amarr
>>128604964
she's a very dirty girl
JOHNNY LIED
BENJI DIED
>>128610976
>467 million isk
on my way with the freighter senpai
Old EVE player, played from the end of Apocrypha (Just before Dominion) and left right around Incarna. Came back for a little around Odyssey, but left again.
Are the Citadels actually a good thing? From what I read, it sounds like they're trying to further fuck over Nullsec (First the "rebalance" of the sanctums, then the removal of Jump Bridge highways, then the redistribution of moon minerals) or am I just being a bitter fucker about the whole deal?
>>128615320
No, they're shit.
>Previous Thread:
is /eog/ dead
>>128615320
the fuck are citadels even for?
tip end alliances to just bunker down even harder than before?
there's no way to even siege a citadel without several dozen supers
>>128615953
>takes a great force to blow them up
unlike outposts rite?
>>128616497
Outposts can usually be toppled with a couple dozen dreads. Not supers (moms, titans) though they do speed it up.
I mean, Citadels sound like they were originally going to replace Towers (POS) but the way they make them sound like they're replacing Outposts instead...Which really rustled my jimmies.
>>128616497
you're not going to bring out a super to take an outpost
you're definitely not going to take out a titan to take an outpost
you NEED supers to even pose a threat to citadels
I know this is one of you fuckers, Aroura Askiras, was just shitposting with you in NY6-
Feel free to join -CN-, either way.
>>128616781
The joke was you can't destroy an outpost :^)
No one's gonna spend 100b on a space castle that can be killed with rifters
Guys help me find a new char. I have about 6-8b to spend. And i want something around 10m sp.
Pic related. A meth head that goes to my gym who legally changed his name to cobra deathray. I dont want a char named like that.
-johnny meme
>>128617786
Marie Mantoinette
Susan B Manthony
>install xl citadel in hs
>no one can ever kill it because invuln timers are small compared to the firepower you need
>>128618763
>Install Citadel
>Highsec
I...thought that Citadels were replacing outposts, not starbases.
>>128618918
If you read the faq they are going to be deployable in any sec including high sec and will replace poses as well
christ people get your shit together this is literally in the OP
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEbMx9xUXje3KH4AppvcjSSoALUVtVEaK6ZZ-zy2Lrs/edit#
What is a Citadel?
It is a rather large upcoming structure that functions as both a Market and Office hub
How are the new structures (Cithadels and others) classed?
Small, Medium, Large, Extra Large
Citadels will be what sizes?
Medium, Large, Extra Large
What will be released first?
Medium and large Citadels will be released first.
Why are there no small Citadels?
Small structures are going to assimilate existing deployables, cargo containers and mobile warp disruptors. Citadels are much larger.
What do the size differences mean for Citadels?
Medium sized Citadel structures will be around 5-25km in diameter and are tailored for individual or small groups of players. They will be able to fit some appropriate defenses to offer resistance against most kind of assaults including capital ships. Moreover, players can dock inside them with sub-capital ships.
Large sized Citadel structures will be around 25-50km in diameter and are made for corporations or even small alliances. They will offer more advanced functionality over medium-sized Citadels, mainly in the form of area of effect (AoE) defenses and facilities that are more tailored to support large fleets. While players will be able to dock with sub-capitals, capitals are still up to debate at this point.
X-Large sized Citadel structures will be around 100km in diameter and are specialized for high-end alliance gameplay. On top of the mechanics listed above, they will have the best defensive options to face against particularly large groups and allow capital ships to be docked (even maybe supercapitals--to be discussed).
>>128617786
>-johnny meme
you deleted all you characters right? make another character and rob more alliances
>>128619218
I had to spend some time away from eve to work for my parents to get some money to buy a new toon. Im ginna play serious now
>>128619410
>>128619156
Fucking christ. I mean, I guess I'm okay with the ability to dock in W-space, but to be able to deploy in highsec seems stupid. I'm gonna guess CCP will do the smart thing and scale their deployment ability (Highsec can only handle Mediums, with an upkeep requirement, Lowsec can handle Larges, with anything 0.3 and lower requiring no input to CONCORD, and Nullsec for the X-Large as a replacement for Outposts) though if they're taking no input from the CSM, or the CSM is full of highsec crybaby carebears that want nobody to live in null...
>>128617786
8 bil is not a lot, when I ditched a old character due to some circumstances and liquidized them I had about that much, right now I am using it to train up three characters into specialized roles such as a trade, drones, gunnery. Having a dedicated trade alt is making me around 100 mil a day so far and I can start ship's skills on them soon since getting trade skills up is pretty easy. used the extra for things such as trading capital, practical ships, Training implants, cute cloths. If you do buy a character you could end up with lots of unwanted skills or they could have a reputation as a awoxer among other things.
>>128620686
Im already an awoxer lol.
This game is a meme
>>128619181
That's outdated as fuck desu
which one to get, boys?
>>128623404
Sanctuary actually looks good.
>>128623404
Certainly not Valimor. Sort of blacking out a ship is cool, but a lot of AUR for something that isn't really that visually interesting against the blackness of space. Amarr advanced frig bundle if you fly them.
>>128623653
yeah, that's what i was thinking
gallente skins are shit, they barely change the look of the ships
amarr skins are.... weird, iono how to describe them, but the white/mahogany thing is weird
but the sanctuary one looks pretty nice
>>128623851
Caldari Rataa sunset is pretty good.
>>128623851
>>128623404
love the white and red skins, the apoc looks very nice
>>128623653
this
>>128623937
oh damn, you weren't kidding, these are fine
sucks there's no bundle for them though
oh sweet jesus that Raptor skin
>unironically using anything but Interbus, Intaki, Raata, Police or Blue Tiger skins
>>128624278
man, just seeing that makes me even more disappointed at the Valimor skins
the myrimdon is nice though
>>128624605
Valimor skins are without a doubt some of the worst in the game. It's like whoever made them just shifted the brightness, hue and saturation about 20 to the left in Photoshop.
Here's a China exclusive Ishtar.
>>128624876
oh sweet jesus does the gold lining refract in real time?
>>128624985
No idea, but here's a Chinese Rattle.
>>128625280
omg ccplease
why are these china only?
>>128624278
inner zone shipping is ok as well. I like interbus when the hull isn't all dull and gross. it's nice on the atron, it's eh on the catalyst. I don't get why people like intaki.
>caldariprimeponyclub
please don't post this on eog
>>128625342
I'm not sure, but it could be to do with Chinese new year.
is there a way to quickly find the sig of the wh you just came through or do i have to fuckin scan it once with short radius probes?
>>128625568
just bookmark it and put 1au or .5 au probes on the bookmark
>>128625541
>this is the quality china gets
>everyone else gets some retarded dark brown on dark brown Valimor gallente skins
what the fuck ccp
>>128625745
Valimor Legacy Sin is pretty alright. The ships role fits the color imo. Rest is garbage.
>skins
>gallente
>
>>128625821
....yeah, okay, i'll give it that
it's a fine skin for the blops
but everything else is so fucking disappointing
not to mention, how hard can this be? just fucking tweak some hues and saturation
really what we need is more pirate faction skins, there already in the game, just fucking sell them ccp
>>128626223
Reminder that the new skin for minmatar is literally rust treated stock with a few blue patches.They even delayed half of them.
>>128626251
Yup. I fucking love the Guristas Ferox.
>>128626415
ugh
who the fuck is paid to make these skins? how hard is this?
just fucking churn out like 20 in a weekend just messing with sliders in photoshop, christ
>>128626502
yeah, we should have access to all of them, ccp just need to start selling all this shit
>>128626927
is it in the game but not available or something?
How to fix this fucking game:
>Fire Fozzie
>Put people who actually play the game and know the mechanics properly in charge of balancing
>Remove SP but keep SP bonus
That way people will be able to fly whatever ships they want, but it will be shit for people without skills (think the stats of an EFT fit with no stats). Keep some requirements for T2 and capital ships for obvious reasons.
>Make skins cheaper
That way people will buy more aurum, 600m for a fucking skin for just one ship is way too much
>>128627042
using the link function lets you find all kinds of unobtainable items
>>128627312
>Make skins cheaper
it's too late, people will bitch about having already paid the retard prices
>>128601047
>>128627724
Refund the aurum, its as simple as that.
>>128624020
Tayra
>>128627724
><ship name> Golden SKIN
>Buyable only when wallet hits 100b
Maybe it was a 10 minute job, but yeah. When do I get my job, CCP?
The dankest of frags
>>128628432
Oh my fucking god. 425s, a meta scram. Biomass irl
>>128628553
its the best panther fit no hate how dank it is
>>128628816
Legitimately the shittiest fit I've ever seen.
>>128629234
>The best
yes I agree
if only I didnt need a 3% and a storyline pds
this is kinda fun
post dream color combo and ship and i'll try my best to help you realize it'll never happen
>panther
>425mm
>medium guns
>on a ship with 25% bonus to damage and rof for large turrets
>meta 4 scram
>on a 900m pvp exclusive hull
>>128629469
>>medium guns
You
are retarded
>>128629463
ugliest guardian I've seen
Do a sarum one
>>128629559
>Dual 425mm
Ok my bad
Post still valid because of the fucking meta scram jesus fuck
>>128629573
Easiest one yet.Because the Guardian, like most T2 Amarr, are Sarum skinned by default.
>>128629664
its the same range and heats better
please.
>>128629767
>thinks I'm talking about T2
Nigger, you put a fucking faction one when your ship literally costs a plex in the first place
Are you retarded
>>128629915
>faction scram when you are their face anyway
yeah
thats 2km sure will make or break tackle after you have a web and scram from a covert on them
good on you.
>>128630050
>missing the point
I bet you fit a t2 tank too because you're obviously blobbing
>>128630050
Please kill yourself, I bet your fc told you how to fit it. Does he wipe your ass for you too?
>>128630130
https://zkillboard.com/kill/51208061/
>>128630050
>not using faction modules when you don't have 1cpu to spare on meta/t2
>>128630241
Look at his lows holy shit
>>128630319
Jesus fuck those fitting mods
>>128630498
Yeah panther is pretty tight
Miracle that the 3 t2 heavies fit
>>128629767
that's a very efficient fit there, and only needing a +1%, you squeezed every bit of fit space out of it
>>128631717
>>128631848
>>128631717
such an ugly ship
>>128631717
>>128631848
looks like something cuckie would fly
>>128633093
looks like a shitmatar ship more than amarr
>>128628432
>took more fuel then the kill was worth
totally cool man
>>128635285
3m fuel, maybe
>>128635343
for all the ships?
Either way, what's the point for a single proc? a Skiff, maybe, but i don't see the point.
>>128635387
I wouldn't even bother with any mining barge desu, not worth the time.
>>128635387
anything and everything
maybe it was bait
maybe they would have escalated
who knows
ded
>>128629463
Dunno about your photoshop, but can you apply the Thukker skin to cane/sleip?
>>128639276
maybe, servers are down so I can't get a good pic of a cane atm
Are there any differrences between flying an Arbitrator and Vexor?
>>128635783
This.
Blopsing happens to some stupid targets because there's a bunch of guys sitting looking at a blops at a pos while the hunter/s are out there playing eve. I sat for an hour looking at a Sin's ass and swore never again.
Get so bored they'll drop the world on a tackled Thrasher.
Also explains some of my shitty losses, 2hours looking for something that isn't a noobship or bait for a blob and i throw everything at the first valid looking target i can find. Just to not have to drive back to base.
>>128639513
Vexor has a turret bonus, so it can pve more effectively. However, both the arbi and vexor will often fit neuts in their highslots for a pvp fit, and the vexor does this more easily because it has a shitload more powergrid.
Arbitrator is probably only the superior choice if you're looking to make use of its tracking disruptor bonus, either through supporting in a fleet/small gang, or by choosing your solo targets very carefully.
>tfw no shiny Drifter vagina to stroke n poke.
>>128640445
Please don't sexualize Artemis. She's pure.
>>128640162
So no 1600 plate on arby?
>>128642146
Not if you also want a prop mod and anything other than small neuts in your highs.
I have no idea what I'm doing
>>128642872
ehh, screw cap booster 25. EFT always puts the shittiest one in.
What's the page where you can do this?
Join Scope Works
>>128645967
Is that the ERP corp?
>>128645967
Are they the new premier meme corp?
Do they take shitters?Do they have dank memes?
>tishu shills in /dog/
>>128639276
>photoshopping when jeremy exists
lel
>>128646675
You probably want Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
>nog8s joining tishu
i should have listened
>tishu 2016
LOL
>>128648676
might as well join bl lmao
>try to do lvl 1 mission
>3 mean bully miner drones
>poor ibis-chan couldn't take it
>destroy two and get out as dmg hits structure
that was a close call
>>128650729
do the career agent missions and get a real ship
>>128650729
Ibis-chan is the cutest rookie ship.
Also do this >>128650985. The Military Career Agent gives you a Condor and a Merlin, I think.
>>128650985
>get a real ship
don't you be dissin my Ibis
>>128651520
get a DCU and you'll be fine.
>>128651745
whats a dcu?
>>128652502
Damage control unit
>>128651745
it didn't help much, still getting pummled
>>128655012
get a small shield booster
>>128655161
Depleted in 24 seconds, I might need to retire ibis-chan at this rate
>>128656125
that's fine you just need to finish in 24s :^)
>>128656282
there's like 12 drones and they are really big and mean, I can't blow one up with my 22 dps
>>128656409
Faction mods and ammo, pal.
>>128656676
this is where I'm at right now, I only got around 50k isk right now
>>128657057
upgrade to a merlin you dumpster
>>128657218
I am going to make it through this without using a bigger ship
>>128657057
Do the military career agent so that you get a Merlin. There is no reason to be using a rookie ship at all.
>>128647708
fuck off cancer
>dix
hello my name is tony meme ask me anything
>>128658436
everyone knows reddit is where all the dank memes come from
>>128659491
le wew lad ur gay pwned get a good post oy vey goyim Trump 2016
>>128659491
It's where they go to die.
any /v/ corps offer a decent PI area?
>>128648180
IS THAT WHERE THEY ARE FUCKING GOING?
THEY'RE LEAVING TEST FOR TISHU
THE FUCK?
goddamn that took a long time, bit over an hour
>>128662513
You should have some isk from bounties on the rats. Now buy a real ship senpai
>>128662713
kinda just spent it on a heat sink and a capacitor recharger, can't use the recharger for another 40 minutes since I got the wrong one
>>128662513
You're pretty sugoi, Ibis-chan~
>>128661614
i really hope not
but judging by how shit tishu has been lately i wouldn't be surprised
>TISHU
>>128663828
>lately
Anon...
How is White Stag this effective at making highsec carebears upset?
>>128664525
because high sec carebears have this retarded thing they call an honor code where they intentionally gimp themselves because it gives them a higher moral ground or whatever
>>128665494
>>128665494
I wouldn't say they're honourable, White Stag went to go fight them as a fleet and they just docked up until White Stag left.
>>128667369
like 90% of kids who stay in high sec are spineless fucks afraid of losing their velators
not surprising
http://pastebin.com/98t1kL36
Have some more All-Out x Public Enemy diplo logs.
It should be very obvious which players are in all-out.
>>128667830
All-out seem really young. Are any of them even in college?
>4chan corp
>tfw no /d/ corp
>>128667830
the ones spouting memes every 2 seconds?
>>128668708
the fuck would a /d/ corp even do?
just float around roleplaying in local?
fuck off
>best and prettiest ship in game
>no good skins
>>128664361
lately as in like
the last 3 iterations
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=12812
>you will never blaze it
>Only director currently active
>Stuff happens
>Have to diplomacy and decision make even though I usually just shoot things.
I am going to so get grief about doing other peoples jobs because they couldn't be bothered to log in and do them.
>>128669491
Thorax related roleplay.
>>128673234
Em/explo is a really op combo
>>128675212
It's the kind of thing that might actually make laser boats worth using.
>>128674637
At least you get to log in. I don't get to do shit. I can get like, maybe an hour of consistent internet connection if I'm lucky.
>logging in
>log in
>restart PI extractors
>pick up products and move them to factory planet
>tfw churning away while I sleep
>mfw literally free isk
>>128680580
What's your end product? I do robotics mostly.
>>128630050
If its one of those really expensive ships you splurge for the extra faction mods and stuff. Not every faction mod but like tank mods and faction webs and scrams definitely
>run missions
>mfw free LP
>>128680745
You're dumb the lap is factored into mission rewards as a whole
>>128680726
>faction webs and scrams definitely
There is no reason
Its not a vendi
Its not a barghest
What race should I do?
>>128628553
Dual 425mms are a battleship large module
>>128681501
It's a T2 battleship, therefore it gets blinged out.
That is enough reason in itself. Mine was full faction before I sold it.
>>128681609
Any of them, the difference is about three hours of skill training.
A fed navy web is only 70m and it gives you 4km more base range with an overheat of 17km
A faction scram is totally worth the extra range
>>128681692
>It's a T2 battleship, therefore it gets blinged out.
>That is enough reason in itself. Mine was full faction before I sold it.
thats retarded
there is no reason to drop an extra 4-500m on ewar that gives you 2km more range on it when its already hard tackled by a scout
Blinging based on bonuses is what you do, not based on lol its expensive so i must bling
>>128681917
Gevlon, is that you?
People bling expensive ships because it's fun. If you're already a plex down on the hull, why not make it shiny?
>>128682110
The ship Is blinged where its needed, nothing more.
I'm not going to have more fun with a scram that does nothing but look good on a killmail
>black ops
t1 frigbabbie pls go
>>128680723
Enriched Uranium has been good for me.
>>128681917
I bet you t2 fit a vargur
>>128683328
I do.
Only because its dual xlasb
>>128682391
That extra range can make all the difference
The extra web range will allow you to pin shit further which means transversal is less which means you hit harder
Extra overheated scrams allows you to stay farther away while keeping it pinned
You mean you don't fit x-type hardeners or faction nuts or smart bombs?
>>128683873
you dont seem to understand that this a a panther with auto-cannons jumping point blank into an enemy already tackled
not a skirmish ship.
you're retarded
>>128684146
You're retarded and your fit is garbage
Panther is an armor tank ship and you use 800mm guns not dual 425s
>>128684332
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
>I fit my panther like no one else
>everyone else is retarded but me
>>128684146
The fact that it has no cloak or mjd makes this thing utterly worthless, you might as well fly a thorax
>>128684332
kill yourself
you clearly blob
>>128684672
>says the blopser
>>128684651
>cloak
another neut is more valuable
you are perhaps one of the most retarded trash eve players i have ever spoken too
>>128684796
small and solo
>>128684835
You need that cloak and MjD to escape your fit is literally trash and can't accommodate for a rescue squad coming in which means the lack of faction point or web puts you in enemy scram range as well because they sure as hell don't fit faction mods like you should
>>128685046
>You need that cloak and MjD to escape
>im retarded
>>128683561
>he dosn't triple xlasb his Vargur
can't wait to see your shitfit on killboard
>>128685142
Not having the ability to MJD away and cloak instantly makes you the easiest thing to catch with something as simple as an interceptor or any probing ship
>>128684835
spotted the blops virgin
>>128684835
that 3rd neut really helped against that proc GJ!
i bet you complain about not being able to drop anything bigger than a t1 cruiser
>>128685046
Wot. Cloaks on a blops won't save you. You can't warp cloaked, you can't cloak while targeted. Just depot refit it offgrid
>>128685479
https://zkillboard.com/kill/51208061/
>>128685658
>a cloak on a blood won't save you
You Mjd away and cloak instantly dumbass
>>128685751
Or you could just warp
The guy clearly is dropping on ratters, who don't point
>>128685658
>depot refit
And get probed down and killed or wasting a useless depot
>>128685882
pretty much this
I dont even think gulnar has a mjd
>oh well this meme guy who makes videos uses this fit, proof that it's good
>>128686094
>uses this fit
gulnar used a 6b sin
>>128685882
Or that guy screams for help and his friends warp to him and scrams you and without any way way to escape like a MjD or cloak you're gonna get caught
>ISK should be replaced with local currencies for every empire
>>128686130
So? 6b isn't a lot for his fit, its not even the officer cap booster that made it expwnsive
>>128686152
>what's dscan
>>128686152
or he could warp
>>128686260
I use gbp exculsivly
>>128686347
And if its a battle procurer you're fcked
>>128686513
if you think so, sure, you can fly your panther your way and I can fly mine my way
some angry anon with no concept of how things work will stop me
why are you retards going into scram range in your theoretical imaginary meme solo blops?
WAKE UP ONE MORNING
YOUSELF BECOME
THE FC
SONG YOU PLAY IS WHAT?
related, song best to play while being the FC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZaz7OqyTHQ
>>128687114
>YOUSELF BECOME
>THE FC
But I already am
>>128687318
THEN SONG YOU PLAY IS WHAT?
>>128687498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0F_XiR48Q
>>128687756
yes this song is good
>>128687114
>>128687756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-dZNzXylVE
>>128687114
nullblob: the post
Mach, Vindi, or a Nightmare for my alt to spam incursions and level 4s when i'm bored
>>128687114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEVJjH1I3s4
>faction ships
>>128689627
>2015
>not using navy frigs
really nig
>>128687114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eL1Bfv8Y9k
t1 frig babbie pls go and stay go
>>128689808
pvefag station spinners pls go
>>128689885
thanks but im gas mining
so thats pve IN SPACE
>>128689062
the ambivalent (how you say?) is nice
>>128689564
>>128689798
what is this shit?
you the fc of anime moeshit?
what shit
>gas mining
>>128690241
oh you were serious?
>>128690306
>100000 m3 of c320 and c540
how fun is going FAST?
>>128690914
going as fast as I go is fun. if you go any faster you're a shitfit and/or linkfag.
>oversized dram
