WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A WALL AND WE WILL MAKE THE FORSAKEN PAY FOR IT edition
>Whats New:
Greymane out, cute, and fun
Cho'gall event over
>where do I find you meme-loving faggots
/join /vg/
>What hero should I buy?
Find the ones you enjoy playing and buy those. Don't buy cheap heroes just to get into Hero League, it's not worth rushing into.
>Links nobody visits anyway
Official Site: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/
General News: http://www.heroesnexus.com/
Tips & Tricks: http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips
Hero Rankings and Statistics: https://www.hotslogs.com/Default
Talent Calculator: http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/
Free Hero Rotation: http://eu.battle.net/heroes/en/forum/topic/13604571130
Previously on /hotsg/: >>128353943
ded game
how viable is carry abbadon
Should I buy graymane?
Y or Y?
Not first for Morales.
>>128471568
wait 2 weeks until he's 10k Gold
If you want the bundle for the mount & skin, wait 2 weeks & buy with gold first to save some shekels.
tl;dr, Y but wait 2 weeks
>>128471724
I can work with that, since I used my gold buying monk 2 weeks ago
>>128471713
>this is a Diamond player
>tfw you are in platinum league and dont make mistakes that bad
Ready for _______
>>128472087
>tfw you are plat and don't play shit like Morales
>>128472410
>Not playing morales
I guess I really belong in bronze if playing the cute and fun ones in plat is forbidden
Post em.
How badass is Malf?
>Gets with Tyrande, hottest night elf babe in Azeroth
>cucks his brother to death
>"sleeps" with hot dragon chick Ysera for 10,000 years
>>128473880
>dies in legion
kek
>>128473880
>to death
Legion will have Illidan fucking everything with a hole, including tyrande
Where the FUCK is Maiev????
>My team runs in 4v2
>My assassins run in first
>My team focuses diablo being healed by medic
Ever since Xmas matchmaking has been putting me with sub 2k players it is impossible to carry this shit my winrate has fallen to almost 50%
>>128474378
maybe next year
>>128472087
>plat players think they are any good
ohoohoo
So Greymane isn't supposed to be top damage right? He's more of a Kerrigan;securing kills and shit?
>>128473459
>>128474972
The late game cleave/alpha combo shoots it pretty high.
>>128473880
>be a pussy beta faggot that watches his brother save the day
>tyrande has the hots for illidan
>blame illidan and call him a betrayer so you have a chance
>never even get to fuck Tyrande because sleeping the whole time while she fucks every swinging dick that passes by Darnassus
ayy the definition of badass
i only hope metzen's shitty corruptionhammer hits him next and he gets to die, literally one of the shittiest lore characters
So in HL, I kinda have to pick Tyrande first, right?
Every time I don't my team gets pissed at me
I don't play her well enough to merit me picking her first.
>>128475532
Go to bed, Illidan.
>>128475594
No just pick who you want, fuck them. You're not losing in HL because you didn't get tyrande.
sopping wet doe cunt buffs when?
>>128475532
I sometimes wonder if Metzen just puts a bunch of corruptible characters in a board and throw darts at them, then writes down something to justify that character being corrupted
>>128475827
according to my teammates, every loss is entirely on me because the other team has tyrande and "I could have stopped it"
honestly I'm sick of the people in this game. I wish the game had a better AI or teammates who don't sperg out every time something goes wrong, but that's probably too much to ask for.
>>128475532
Malf a shit.
Don't forget you had to wake his lazy ass up because he couldn't be bothered to save his own ass
Why doesn't the weekly sale apply to gold purchases as well?
>>128475594
No. People cry about Tyrande far too much. That doesn't mean you should pick willy-nilly either, though. When granted first pick, take a hero that's in a really good spot right now and works with a lot of comps. Y'know, like Uther, Johanna, KT, etc. (Also, actual ETC.) Tyrande is one of types of heroes right now for sure, but it's better to pick a hero you can play than whichever one happens to havethe biggest booty.
>>128474582
>Queue as a warrior
>Get a medic on my team
>Medic is a duo queue only heals her partner even when theyre at full health
>Enemy team ignores medic because shes useless
No wonder this game is dead
>>128473459
Sure.
No one ever responds though, so I hardly see the point
>tfw you just spent 10k on Tassadar and now can't afford Funmane
>>128478580
but tassadar is 4k
>>128478714
He got bamboozled.
>>128473459
How are we supposed to interpret these, anyway? This is what I'd respond if I got these as random picks.
>>128474998
How do you play Sylvanas? Got her to 9 on a ~30% winrate. Can't wrap my head around that hero.
>>128478103
I see someone likes the frontline.But as long as Aba's green it's all good.
>>128478714
Master skin maybe?
>Trying to watch HOTS streams on youtube
>Casually checking the chat
>Nothing but furfags and self proclaimed queer folk
>Demanding gender swapped heroes
>Debating the male to female hero ratio
>Casually announce I would rather have balance patches than female KT
>BANNED
>WE WON'T STAND FOR THAT KIND OF TROLLING HERE
>THE INTERNET IS A FREE PLACE
>Announcing bans
>>128479981
Did that really happen?
If so then it's your fault for seeing twitch chat
What's the verdict on Greymeme
what button pulls up the menu thing that gives you info on your characters current stats (like damage, range, bonuses, etc)
I pulled it up once accidentally when going for control to bring up the talent menu.
>>128480437
C
>>128480420
cute, fun, and will make the Nexus great again
>>128479130
>How do you play Sylvanas
dunno man, always liked playing her my winrate is around 55% with her, so she's not by any means my best character, but I have the most fun playing her
>>128480420
He'll make Gilneas great again
>>128480602
much obliged
>>128480602
>>128480710
>tfw meme president
is coming bros
>>128475532
Post is tagged for truth.
>The man who is almost a wolf.
>Ah,the woman who is almost a deer.
He-hey man
Anyone have any .gifs or reaction images they want to see done with HOTS characters? I'm bored and want to try something.
If .gifs please something short. I'm new to animating.
>>128483231
Greymane x Lunara smut when
>heal johanna
>Thank you, friend!
>friendzoned again
>>128483460
Sylvanas, Tyrande, Nova purchase animations
>>128479130
you focus lanes and learn proper positioning because she's very squishy
make use of her haunting wave teleport for escapes since it can go through walls
her silence arrow is very useful if you time it right
use shadow dagger and withering arrow on cooldown basically
and pick up this build: http://www.heroesnexus.com/builds/1227-join-my-army-of-the-dead-eternal-conflict-update
congrats, your winrate just skyrocketed. the most important thing to remember, however, is that she's a specialist, not an assassin. take advantage of her trait against towers/keeps and you're set.
>>128483460
lili getting fucked in the butt please
>>128485823
>-join-my-army-of-the-dead
>Sylavans
>not Blood Raven
reeeeeee
>cute and fun
>>128485897
>totally not a furry
>play ranked
>enemy has good earlygame
>they wreck our shit
>manage to turn the game around
>push to their keeps, get one
>minutes later, one of them manages catching one of us with cc
>they all chain AoE cc us for 2 centuries
>we die
>they push our core with 20% hp as we all respawn and are nearly back in their faces again
Wow who else loves the balance in this game?
>>128486220
in what way is the situation you described not balanced?
You have a draft, can pick & counter pick... if your team is weaker, that's on your picks, not an issue of imbalance in the game.
Sure some characters are better than others, but that's why you have a team and draft. This stun meta is annoying sure, but there is cleanse, there is proper positioning, you can adapt your game to it.
>>128485897
i bet you brush your hair you furryfag
>mines officially announced as removed
for what purpose
>>128488489
Because Sylvanas the Map was shit.
I fucking love Li Li
>>128488910
Just ban Sylvannas on that map oh wait
>>128488489
I would rather have them get rid of pay up since so many people don't know how to play that map
>play match
>everything is perfect
>play another match
>game goes to shit and fps freezes every time literally anything happens, even a single spell is cast or a single enemy enters your vision
nice game blizzbabs
is battle momentum on Tyrande worthwhile?
>>128490238
Yes
>AI game vs Chen
>he picks the barrel ult
>pushing mid keep
>he dashes in
>pops barrel
>rolls into corner between wall and forest
>goes to soak bot once his ult is done
why
>>128490238
>he doesnt take battle momentum as tyrande
>>128489980
never had this happen
nice computer anon.
>>128490472
>>128490993
I do take battle momentum, but in my last fight a guy messaged me afterwards and called me retarded for not taking lunar blaze.
That's the first time anyone ever went out of their way to shit on me for a talent choice, so thought there might be some new build everyone is circle jerking around.
>>128491372
im guessing that guy is a bronzie, and so are you. Fuck off man just go on any website for the most popular builds.
Trivially, why does it seem some time that if I want to carry pre-2k teams, I need to pick a Tank, a strong Support or a broken meta hero like Raynor?
Heck, is there any reason why I realize that my team tends to be composed of people alot lower than me? I am 2.2k MMR and realize that my team tends to be filled with people with alot lower MMR. I am just confused
New in development video when?
>>128491560
i hope you're not implying lunar blaze is a bronzie talent
they're both good and totally valid, but lunar blaze is incredible for securing kills. i love that shit
>>128491372
the extra range was the breaking point and is the sole reason why you lost. if only tyrande could secure stuns on people further away from the team, you might have had a chance.
you should be ashamed of yourself
fucking finally
>>128492427
Oh good, I was getting sick of having to lead 4 random pubbies against a 5-stack
>>128488489
>tfw golems with Scaling Changes to tower and Sylvanas.
>>128492427
if this was implamented today thats bs. Soloqued against a 5stack today. I mean i won but thats not the point
>>128491743
It's the same for me. 3K QM MMR and I literally can't win if I don't pick Diablo/Raynor/Tyrande/Zagara because no one knows to do damage or teamfight without them.
Anyone else feel Malf is not very good now in the burst meta
>it took me 197 matches to reach rank 1
holy shit, today may be the day in which i have played any game the most consecutive hours in my life, all to reach the goddamn number
>>128492809
>I'm the best
>my teammates are always all shitters
>we lose because of them, never me
I believe there is a term for what you have that's spouted on here quite oftenDunning–Kruger
>>128493424
and next month when season 1 starts, you'll have to do it all again!
>>128493204
it went up like 30 minutes ago, bruh
>>128493484
Bah, I never thought of myself as even being near the best. And sometimes I do see that I make mistakes
Even then, you cant deny that coordinating 4 random strangers against a team of people who know each other and probably use voice chat is extremely frustrating
>>128493756
better that way desu, i feel like i might be done with this game for a while without anything else to do
>>128491852
you can have better positioning, but you cant cheat time without battle momentum, bronze padawan
hey i dont mean to rush you but i really want some johanna smut
>>128492427
They also changed something so higher mmr players get placed with bronzies more often
today all of my games have been below 2.1k average mmr
qm is unplayable
>Playin' Freetanis.
>killed fleeing Nova with Suppression Pulse.
This is the best feeling in all of gaming.
Here, have a Li Li.
>>128495638
>not getting an ace with Purifier Beam
blizzard
we're making these wonky matchmaking rules and adjustments that will all lead to longer queue times and less enjoyable matches because our playerbase is so small
our playerbase is so small because we're so fucking greedy over a barely updated game that's essentially a glorified starcraft 2 custom map and refusing too offer even moderately logical prices for new heroes
and we're going to show you just how greedy we are by making certain shit (like christmas Jaina skin) unpurchaseable without getting the entire bundle, because we like money
>>128494461
I haven't even started reworking that.
Sorry. Just not interested in doing it now.
>>128477096
That's Furion Stormrage. Malfurion is his evil twin.
>>128496125
You the guy that made this sweet Sgt Hammer pic for me cause if so I love you.
>>128495851
They had Greymane and Butcher, because of course they did, so neutering both of them seemed like the right move.
>>128496537
Nope, not me. Sorry.
I'm the one that drew that crappy looking Li Li though a few posts above.
>>128496125
darn
thanks anyway, i'll stop asking
stray dogs
>inb4 reddit
>Artanis, Arthas, Brightwing free week
FUCKING WHY
>>128497551
>quick meme
>All this Trump support in the general chat
Feel good man,
PZZZCHAW!!
you are now the last hero you played as
how fucked are you?
>Sgt Hammer
>i now how to explain how this huge futuristic tank destroyed my apartment
>>128494461
>night elves caring about nudity
The fuckers are practically nude all day anyways
>>128497551
Shit like this makes me want to play Morales, but I know I would be trash at her.
>>128498026
>meme league
if i want to be tryhard and sweat for ranks i play ranked dota
>>128498297
fuck you didnt even give me the chance to play tyrande or johanna
or even sylvanas
>>128498297
before that you have to explain why you think its socially acceptable to say
>PZZZCHAW!!
>>128498297
>Tassadar
Feels good, man
>>128498297
I'm unfortunately Greymane. I have lost several years of my life and am now cursed.
Though, I am probably a better catch now.
>>128498385
>not being a masochist
>not reveling in despair as your team shows it's complete ineptitude during drafting
what is the order of the bells on Towers?
>>128498297
Raynor
he-hey sarah, want some fug?
>>128498297
>Sylvanas
I am very okay with this
>>128498568
it's random
but the positions are set
>2 top
>1 center
>2 bot
only happens after the 'tunnel' is opened
>3 (2 top and 1 center)
>>128498297
Li Li
I guess I need to brush up on some botany.
And how to deal with being a pubescent fuck.
>>128498191
>Supporting a 1% racist wallstreet fat cat women hater
>In the current year
>>128498297
>Abathur
start applying to jobs at biotech labs
>>128498846
eyy bb, u wan sumsoup?
Do I need autism to play TLV?
>Can soak xp control the dragon knight and capture a merc camp at the same time
>People think they're not OPMorenerfs when?
>>128499623
>woman hater
>filled Ivana is his seed multiple times
>Loves his wives so much he's had multiple marriages ALL TO WOMEN
>First major ceo to hire a high profile female contractor to make a skyscraper
>Racist
>Employs Mexicans
>VP is black
Vote Bernie, amirite!
>>128498361
have some more
>>128500430
They aren't nearly as hard as people make them out to be.
>>128492427
I'm a solo player but still got matched against a group, thanks Dustin.
>>128502064
their mmr is lower than yours though, and yes it matters
>been maining Sylvana since lvl 1
>tons of games, very good winratio
>hit ranked
>can't even reach a 50% winratio
I'm very good at her mechanically. I don't miss my ultis. I know when to dash in and how to dash out in the best ways. I stutterstep well. I position well. I don't overextend. I have very few deaths per game.
But I just can't win.
I only now started to realize why she has a negative winratio.
Is it just that she's garbage in this meta?
anyone else feel like matchmaking has been utter shit for the past week? every game is a steamroll for either side
>>128502064
it can still happen in rare cases
if you want to, you can tweet it at browder
>>128502392
I've had tons of turnarounds in games.
>See Diablo and Tyrande mounting up about to go top
>Ping a bunch of times
>He doesn't retreat
>10 seconds later Tyrande Diablo kill him
>Afks at fountain for the rest of the game ranting on how the Reddit Tyrande post killed the meta
>>128498297
>tychus
cool now im stuck in this chicken shit outfit for the rest of my life, but hey i got a minigun.
>>128477509
>When granted first pick, take a hero that's in a really good spot right now and works with a lot of comps. Y'know, like Uther
uther has like a 41% winrate
>>128503502
uther is one of the highest skillcap heroes in the game, his winrate is affected by shitters picking him because other shitters told them so. On his own uther recks if played by competent player, like me
>>128497498
I think maybe her snout is too pronounced, possibly biggen her eyes and cheeks
>>128503658
I'm sure it has nothing to do with tye randys reign of terror, and uther always being stuck on the team against her
>start playing
>play on all the different maps
This large variation of maps is actually really interesting. I really like most of these maps.
>>128498297
>Tyrande
I don't know if I like to play this game
[email protected]
>>128504840
>Their healer had more kills than any of you
How?
>>128504370
I'm glad. There's a lot of neat stuff going on in most maps.
My favorite is Dragonshire, even though I am trash at it.
>>128505327I like towers and shrines but for some reason they are the 2 most hated maps
>>128505717
Well, Shrines got a lot of hatred because it original was retarded. The punishers were impossible to deal with without them just annihilating you.
Personally, I'm mostly pissed at it for reusing a bunch of assets from the previous Diablo map so it just looks boring and half-ass.
As for Towers, it is new. Very different and weird. People hate new stuff.
>>128505327
Dragon Shire starts to grate when you start getting endless matches where no one on your team knows how to rotate
>>128505939
>The punishers were impossible to deal with without them just annihilating you.
also it was before Skeletal Swing and Knight Takes Pawn were nerfed so if the enemy team had Leoric or Johanna you were just fucked and there was nothing you could do
>>128505307
>quadruple melee (includes bear) vs kt
yea game was lost from the very beginning
>>128498297
I am now the Lich King. I can just relax and have undead minions do my bidding for the rest of eternity.
>>128500430
You don't need autism.
Just a sense of fun
>its a Living Ward Leoric episode
>haunted memes not coming back without rework
>also not being reworked
>>128507796
>greymane is the weakest hero on release
>cites Lunara who still exists in the game the same as she launched
>>128507796
who gives a shit? it was awful anyway
>>128471340
after a losing streak, a game like this reminds me why i don't just quit
>diablo actually apologized at the end of the game
k then
>>128498297
Mecha Tassadar online!
Don't need a car to get to work anymore, so that's nice...
>>128507796
What was wrong with the mines?
>>128508586
they fucked the game up with the new scaling
Man... I am the worst kind of shitter. I keep getting pissed about the team not showing up to objective, that I go in and get slaughtered.
So frustrating.
>>128508480
you're a fucking transformer/protoss and you'd still go to your day job?
fuck man
>>128508586
The golem would re-spawn where it died the last time, often next to the core...so if the same team won it again it was gg
Why doesn't the golem just spawn at the center like the DK? Easy fix...
Is Memewolf as broken as he seems
>>128508954
I work at a mechanic shop, free oil changes that way
>>128509137
>Why doesn't the golem just spawn at the center like the DK? Easy fix...
because it would just be a shitty BoE
>>128509183
no.
>>128508480
>don't need a car to get to work
>thinks it's totally fine for a floating yellow alien/jet plane to go to work
bruh, you're asking to be shot at or at best, captured by government officials
>>128509328
just put your shield up, even an orbital strike isnt going to kill him
>>128509137
There was a great haunted mines game at blizzcon with a crazy come back.
But structures are weak as fuck now, every match would probably be 6 minutes
>>128471601
>Other team is janna tyrande tassadar kerrigan
Save me from this ebola team
Is there any MMR where the fucking shitters on your team stop getting ganked and killed if you spam danger and retreat pings on them?
Getting so sick of this shit.
>Jaina has 8 deaths in 10 minutes
>"they ganked me i cant do anything about it"
you could commit suicide, that would help
>>128512685
>"they ganked me i cant do anything about it"
its impossible to not get ganked in the tyrande meta noob
>>128512685
Sylvanas in my last game complained we weren't calling missings against a roamer team when she had 7 deaths lel
I should just stop playing Assassin. It is just frustrating to me.
I just had a mirror match in QM. Nova, Murky, Greymane, Valla. The only difference was they had Nazeebo and we had Hammer.
Hammer took BFG. Both Novas took Triple Tap.
I once again managed to be at the top of most deaths. I am absolute trash at this game.
>>128471340
>Don't buy cheap heroes just to get into hero league
When did this change? Aren't some of the cheap heroes like ETC, lili, and valla still some of the best HL picks? Can't imagine why people would wait around saving up for the newer (trash) heroes just because they're expected to be better
>>128513321
Each assassin has different play styles obviously. Don't let anyone tell you that you should always target <x> first because valla's playstyle is to sit in the back targeting the closest hero to apply pressure on the whole group. People who say that squishy assassins should move out of place just to target <X> in the back don't know what they're talking about.
It depends on the team comp too. Some comps rely on the whole group blowing all of their ults at the same time in order to get anything done rather than just being decent doing regular rotations. Learn your hero, learn your comp.
>>128513392
yeah whoever wrote this is dumb
you can easily get rank 1 with buying the cheapest heroes tbqhwy
>>128513592
>People who say that squishy assassins should move out of place just to target <X> in the back don't know what they're talking about.
>tfw Chen deep dicks your team's asshole because you have no CC and then Murky starts crying about how everyone is focusing him instead of their Brightwing who is doing essentially nothing
real tired of this "focusing a warrior is always wrong" meme desu
>>128513592
Yeah. I might not be taking comp into consideration enough. I keep being exactly like those shitters you describe who dive Hammer and end up dead.
Maybe I should go to HL. I may not be able to play all the heroes I want, but at least I'll have someone to stand behind or to heal me.
>>128513859
Yeah pretty much this.
If the warrior has to retreat then the whole group does too. If Muradin enters the battle by stunning a DPS then the group needs to show him that it was a mistake, not just let him rek up the place while you try to get position on someone bouncing around in the back.
One key exception is against morales. Morales can really crank out the heals as long as her mama holds up so zoning her away from her team should be a big priority. Other than that, targeting a warrior should be just fine as long as people aren't blowing all of their cooldowns on them.
Why are Jaina players such trash?
>>128513392
Top 5 Picks:
Raynor - 2k
Diablo - 7k
TLV (also very hard to use) - 10k
Tyrande - 7k
Kaelthas - 10k
so of course raynor.
that being said, raynor is really easy to "master" as well. he's the easiest champ with one of the highest rewards.
>>128492427
wait so a three player party can face a 5 group but the 2 other people on their team can't face a 5 man group? ( since solo and duo cant face 5???)
makes sense!
>>128514031
>Maybe I should go to HL
You should. I don't play quick match any more unless I'm with 2 other friends. QM is such a dice roll that I personally don't believe it's a good measurement on skill or strategy. In HL most people make an attempt to design a good team and shy of that you can at least predict how battles will play out.
Valla is a beast with her auto attack build so use that to your advantage. When left alone she'll quickly and silently output some serious hurt and if you're getting focused before that can happen then alert your team to try to provide some cover.
But again, it could boil down to just an ulti spam so don't be afraid to hold onto ults until the time is right.
>>128514364
>reporting people
>announcing your report
you're fucking trash scum, stop posting here.
>>128514463
>Send each viking to a lane
>objective spawns
>your team stalls
>go afk
>Come back
>up 4 levels up
>very hard to use
>>128514364
>Hiding how much Rehgar outhealed you.
>>128514463
>TLV
>top pick
Stop trolling, family
>>128514527
Math is way out of the feminist league, anon.
>>128514640
:^)
>>128514364
>Literally impossible for Rehgar to deal hero damage without dying
>hotsg still doesn't think Rehgar needs buff and a real trait
>>128514696
>bragging about beating bronzies
>literally reporting, annoucing report, and blocking people
You're gayer than a 120 man orgy.
If Blizzard aren't going to fix Arthas can they just remove him
>>128502339
It's also that you shouldn't be picking the same character regardless of the draft situation.
>>128502392
Been shit since they first released the "fix"
>>128505939
Towers is trash because it's a shit show where nothing matters besides the objective.
Literally had a 9min game on that map.
>Remove 3 simultaneous temples from sky temple
>Implement a map with 3 simultaneous cannonsthat bypass forts
WHY
H
Y
Reminds me of
>Remove double health bar from tychus
>Implement double health bar on vikings
>>128513392
>>128513601
Cheap =/= fun
Once you use up your initial burst of gold the only way you'll grind new heroes is by playing characters you enjoy.
Plus HL is over-rated as hell, the big wall to entry isn't proportional to what it offers.
>>128514532
Yeah but it's also full of try-hards who are equally shit at the game.
Lots of negativity and poor cooperation flies around.
20% of the time you have to pick support.
40% of the time you have to play tank or support.
And almost 100% of the time you have to play the same handful of top-tier characters.
>>128514753
He doesn't need a buff by himself, 3/4 of the characters do.
His trait is fine.
>insta mount
>can't be unmounted
>dmg boost mid fight
>>128515074
t. bronze trash
>>128492427
Every 5 man sucks, what's the problem?
Wah Wah Wah
>>128514527
the 3 man party gets bots on their team
>>128515074
>dmg boost mid fight
yeah I love getting damage equal to 1 Thrall auto attack then getting ass raped by diablo and losing the fight because my teams healer is dead
>>128515150
The fuck is t. ?
If you mean to call me bronze I'm 2.5k, was diamond but MM a shit.
>>128515431
>2.5k trash thinkin hes HOT SHIT
pls friend
>>128515431
>I'm 2.5k
Less than masters is bronze.
>>128515074
>almost 100% of the time you have to play the same handful of top tier heroes
I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't necessarily play top tier heroes but I certainly don't mind only playing with heroes that I'm good at.
I just recently started reking up HL with stitches because I hadn't played him since he was top tier (around a year ago). I'm always beast with valla or raynor as backup, if the comp is good I can morales and if not then lili is an easy pick (I can do Uther well too but I do get tired of having 99 buttons in my utility belt instead of just applying straight heals).
I think people put too much credit towards heroes deemed top tier. Sure they're good and the game mechanics agree, but I manage to do well with heroes not given much credit because I know how to play them well which is a lot better for the team than playing top tier heroes I'm not great at.
Like Raynor for example; I do fine with him but I'm not excited about his play style, I find I'm much better suited towards Valla. The point is, replaying heroes I like is fun and also accumulates wins so there's a happy medium to be found.
>>128515486
>thinkin hes HOT SHIT
What the fucking strawman is this?
>>128515502
Everyone is masters if they believe, do you believe, I believe.
>>128515668
What I personally do is chose where I queue based on who I want to play.
Except in HL where I need to have a few options open.
Everyday is mostly browsing the general for inspiration.
>>128516187
>Everyone is masters if they believe, do you believe, I believe.
This is some tumblr tranny/otherkin tier logic my man.
>>128514753
Rehgar's trait is the only thing fun about him.Needs baseline feral lunge tho
Now that the dust has settled, we can all agree Greymane is shit, right? He looks like a weird crossover of Raynor and Thrall, except he's outclassed by both
>>128516187
Well again, I don't QM at all because I hate it and it's always a dice roll, but when I do, I choose people I enjoy playing ( dunno why anyone would do differently ). But when it comes to HL I either choose who I'm good at and feel like playing first, or fill based on what role is needed. I have the heroes I'm good at for each specialization and backups in descending order of skill of they're taken or if the team comp works better for them.
That's basically entirely how the draft works so I don't think I'm saying anything ground breaking here.
>>128516592
No we can't agree on that. Sorry you suck with him though.
>>128516592
He's mediocre, he doesn't suck though.
>>128516850
>implying I dumped 15k gold to buy a newly released hero
lmao
>>128516592
The new heroes are always shit now because blizz doesn't want to make people feel excluded behind a pay wall. They have enough overall-decent heroes in the game that are cheap enough for newbies to acquire so the new heroes are all going to be niche play styles.
Also, people always suck with new heroes. When the game was still in beta I would see new heroes every match for a week or two regardless of whether or not people would be good with them yet (and I'm talking about HL, obviously QM is practice mode)
>>128516990
So your trying to judge a hero you've never played.
That's even worse. Sorry to hear you suck at managing gold though.
>>128517032
>>128516592
He would probably be decent, if we werent in 2 months of deadlock cancer meta
>>128517067
Why would I need to own a hero to judge its viability? Do I need to own Lunara to know she's shit when I have a 80% winrate against here? dumbass
>>128517067
>not playing abathur and copying the greymane you have in your team in every game
>>128517067
I'm not him but I've never been to the moon yet I know there's no oxygen. Your argument essentially boils down to "you can't talk about feminism because you're probably a neck beard virgin" which holds little (if any) weight in a debate.
>>128517067
>Sorry to hear you suck at managing gold though.
>somehow not wasting 5k gold means you suck at managing your gold
>>128515045
what's wrong with him? he has great CC, can roam for ganks and good self sustain
>Give more heroes executioner
Arthas fixed?
>>128517189
There's a difference between breathing on the fucking moon and trying to judge a character in a moba based on the people you are playing with.
Especially since Greymane is one of the harder characters to use in the game correctly. I've seen Tyrande played like complete garbage that doesn't mean she all of a sudden sucks.
>>128517173
Because you have no experience with him or if your playing against him no idea what could be wrong with the other team.
For instance he out damages Thrall. The only thing Thrall has over him is better sustain. Greymane is a little more reliant on your healer that doesn't make him bad, he just makes him okay.
>>128517272
>Not having over 50k gold at all times.
>>128517539
>make Immortal Coil baseline or give it to him earlier
>make Frozen Tempest bigger and slow for 30% instantly instead of building up
Arthas fixed
>>128517445
I'm not that guy but I agree that Arthas isn't great. Honestly he should be reclassified as an assassin because he absolutely cannot hold his own weight as a solo tank which defeats the purpose of being a warrior. He's too damn squishy. With a DPS build he can crank out some damage while still having a decent health pool but trying to build him as a tank leaves him weak in DPS and survivability.
He'd be okay against a team that doesn't have s tank at all but in this current market a lot of teams build 2 tanks which means he'd be better as a brawler than anything else.
Pretty much every other warrior can stand on their own except him. Even Sonya who is usually built as a DPS would have enough survivability to work solo.
>>128517684
Artanis has a lot of talents that make him way more Tanky than Sonya. Rune Tap, Army of the Dead, Stoneskin, Hardened Shield. He's not great as a solo tank and really shouldn't be but I'd rather him a solo tank than Sonya.
>>128517684
Arthas can definitely solo tank, he just needs to pick up his fights because he has no inherent escape.
>>128517803
Fuck not Artanis, meant Arthas.
>>128517803
Still, that kinda proves my point. Sonya may be the second least tanky but that still makes her more viable than Arthas. Arthas definitely needs some love in order to be relevant.
>>128517545
>implying I don't have 60k gold
I still have lots of heroes to buy so I don't see a point in wasting 5k
>queue up for qm as valla
>enemy team always has nova
>2 allies die in the first minute
>that fucking allied dead ding going off every 10 or 15 seconds
I don't mind playing against nova, I do mind playing with people who can't see the shimmer and get ganked every fucking time they spawn
>>128517948
I'd rather have Arthas than Sonya as a tank. Sonya is a fucking shit tank. Even if she can be harder to kill then him she's a shit tank because she can't do anything a Tank is supposed to do. She just charges in and either Destroys or gets Destroyed. That's not what a tank does.
>>128517895
this
the meta is not nice to him either, he relies on healing from blood tap and that's not easy to get nowadays
he's still pretty solid in the right hands
>>128517968
>Not having over 50k and every hero.
What are you doing?
>>128518150
I'mnot wasting real money
>>128516283
>2016
>Not being transmasters
Looks like we found the real cis-ranked bronze.
>>128517803
>>128517910
If I had read past "artanis I would have known you meant Arthas.
>>128518045
I'm just jaded because I have Arthas to. 10 and I still can't manage to be a good tank with him. Even at 20 with all of his tank talents I still get felt in fights. I seriously have to start peeling at 50% or else I'm just gonna get beat down.
He's decent at crowd control with his W and when ignored can crank out damage, but if people even look in my direction I have to blow all cooldowns just to stay alive for half a battle longer.
How come the Master Skin Nova players are always, without a doubt, the shittiest Novas out there?
>>128518342
the same reason white Hammers are always garbage. They've spent so much time playing that they think they're an authority even though they suck dick
>>128518187
Neither am I. Why would you ever buy a hero with real money? Although I guess I technically bought Artanis as he came with Starcraft 2.
>>128495937
Ceos are programmed to get the highest possible short term results while fucking then over long term
For some reason this looks great on resumes
See Donald trump
Get educated
Man, matchmaker is definitely drunk when you pick a hero and the entire enemy team counters you
Its the worst
Maybe I should move to Hero League so at least its less random
>>128517545
>The only thing Thrall has over him is better sustain.
>The only
Like it's a small deal.Did you forget about his root and stun ulti?
>>128518536
I've said it a lot already in this thread but QM is the worst. I really think HL is where it's at entirely for the draft. QM is entirely a dice roll, whenever I play I seem to always get paired against a zeratul and a nova which makes for a shit time.
reminder that there are no supports in hots2 (hots1 was starcrap heart of the swarm)
>>128518786
No I didn't. Greymane has better escapes and mobility. Plus a ranged attack meaning he doesn't have to just rush in like an idiot to do anything.
>>128519018
>what is chain lightning
bronze status confirmed, get the fuck out
>>128519018
Chain Lightning
>hits everything in a teamfight
>twice
>cooldown so short it's basically a ranged AA with a mana cost
>also heals you
>>128519087
>>128519098
I'm talking about an actual range AA attack that doesn't good damage and can be upgraded to being the same range as Jimmy.
>>128518461
Because of hype.
I bought sylvanas because she's a babe and kael because heBLEW SHIT THE FUCK UP.
>>128519018
Son, you don't need to escape from the dead.
>mfw they pick Cho Gall and build around him with double support and we still stomp them because I'm playing Jimmy
>>128519210
Does good damage, it's to fucking late for this. Though keep in mind if your comparing him to Thrall that's not a bad comparison considering Thrall is one of the best heroes in the game right now.
