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>>127763439
>>127953670
No, not really. That CV was probably just really dumb
FIRST FOR TRUMP
>>127953640
I really like the Richelieu's aesthetic and look forwards to it, but I'm also fairly sure I'd be atrocious in it.
Who will Trump's running mate be?
Who is even worthy?
>>127953851
Offering it to Jeb would be a final humiliation.
>>127953851
Hulk Hogan
>>127953670
FWIW, I completed the 150-plane kill quest pretty easily in Mogami.
>>127953850
It's probably going to have atrocious dispersion
I hope Nelson will be akin to Warspite, having really tight dispersion but Hotel like turret traverse speed in exchange.
![0HMSMarshalNey[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gNoCpM5.jpg "0HMSMarshalNey[1].jpg")
Monitor Class ships when?
![hms_abercrombie_monitor_1943-43303[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MeFV253.jpg "hms_abercrombie_monitor_1943-43303[1].jpg")
>>127954221
look how cute it is
>>127954082
Watch as WG makes turret #3 sit rear facing like Izumo's, is of balance.
>>127954221
>lmao 1 turret!
>>127954221
Submarines when?
>>127954427
geez it is kinda cute
>>127954221
>naming a RN ship after a French general
wat
>>127954439
Well it can't fire forward, for obvious reasons. Should at least rotate the forward way instead of going back all the way.
![HMS_Abercrombie_(F109)[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xuxVNai.jpg "HMS_Abercrombie_(F109)[1].jpg")
>>127954510
The British and the French are friends now
>>127954439
I know it's cool to make fun of and think the worst of WG, but even this is overdoing it. None of the ships in game have as drastically altered designs. The only thing that really fucking flies in the face of history that i can think of right off the top of my head is Iowa's distinct lack of quad bofors.
Baltimore avg damage - 33,000~
Ibuki average damage - 46,000~
>start playing kielbasa destroyer
>DD kills start rolling in
thank you based polan
>>127955168
how does a ship be worse than Ibuki
>>127953241
I can't get destroyer kills for the life of me senpai
If I play a cruiser destroyers never show themselves to me even if I take stupid routes along destroyer alley.
If I play a battleship I have the occasional destroyer try to shoot at me and then I shoot AP at it and it dies before I load HE.
>>127954221
>>127954427
They would have to get rid of permanent turret destruction and replace it with extended turret incapacitation time.
>>127955554
Something like requiring you to use the repair consumable/ruining the turret traverse speed for the rest of the game would make it workable
>>127955316
Ibuki isn't even that bad. It's just a 203 Mogami with good range.
>>127955431
I only have battleships up to Tier V-VI, so DD kills are very few and far between.
The 150 aircraft was pure suffering. Went with IJN carriers since I haven't even started on USN. Pure suffering.
Boats should be made illegal, they bring pests, diseases and unemployment.
>>127955431
Patience, friend.
>C cap at Land of Fire
DD GENOCIDE BEST DAYS OF MY LIFE
>>127955878
Move to Madagascar then.
>>127955878
Sounds like you needs boats to sink those boats that bring pest, diseases, terrorist, and unemployment.
So this poor bastard spawned by our flag. Needless to say, he did not live long.
>>127956951
That happened in one of my battles as well. The enemy carrier spawned right next to our team's spawn on Fault Line.
>>127956951
This is what happens when you anger the RNG gods.
I hope your team enjoyed the shooting gallery.
I finally hit 50% winrate!
I'm not an extreme shitter anymore! Please praise me, /WoWSG/. I've been good, right?
>>127957792
>only 50%
That's literally a coin flip, you aren't determining the battle outcome at all, you're just not hindering it now.
Git guder
Smoke screen showing up in the map view when?
>>127957792
well, you can at least take comfort in the fact that you're better than a statistical majority of the playbase
now the real getting gud begins
this game is boring and this general sucks
>>127957792
The bare minimum is 55%.
git guder or git out
>want to get DD kills and grind my T8 CAs at the same time
>the only DDs I end up going against are Shimakaze's who sit at the back of the map shitting out torps
guess I'm stuck with lower tier ships for now then
>>127958071
But tovarisch, the average WR amongst all players is something like 48%. Before patch 0.4.0, something like 10% of battles would have ended up in draws because of BBs and CVs surfing the blue line, so it wasn't rare to have most people sitting at 42% WR. The statistical average has only gotten better, because Wargaming got rid of draws by having the two-base point system instead.
>>127958071
That's not how statistics work at all.
>>127958513
You shouldn't make up excuses for being a shitter, just focus that energy on gitting guder instead.
If you don't at least have this win rate, you need to git guder.
>>127958695
I don't think you understand, getting 50% WR was next to impossible previously, unless you were unicum.
Before one of the patches a few months back, non-domination matches could have only been won in two ways: killing all enemy ships, or capturing the enemy base. There were plenty of battles that ended up in a draw, because one surviving enemy ship managed to sail to the other corner of the map, and people couldn't catch up to them in time, even though they outnumbered them 10 to 1.
They only recently changed it so that for two-base battles, killing enemy ships adds points to your team, and once the battle timer runs out, the team with the most points wins. Hence, before the patch, most "good" players had something similar to a 45% win rate, 15% draw rate, and 40% loss rate.
>>127958906
maybe if fags on NA would division I could pad my 55% winrate
>>127959032
holy shit please tell me you're shitposting
>>127959032
if you were gud then but got shat on by mechanics, you'd be gud now that they've been tweaked.
are u gud now? u have no excuses for having sub55 now
git gud or git out
>tfw all solo
git gud
>>127959781
how?
>>127959032
>getting 50% WR was next to impossible previously
No.
I forget when they changed it to reduce the number of draws, but this was in September and no, I am not unicum.
Once again, anon. git guder
>>127959841
by gitting gud
>>127960009
how do i get gud
>>127959841
>first displayed timepoint 10/24
By git'ing gud
>>127959882
>no carriers
opinion discarded
>>127953640
I strongly recommend everyone to check out Steel Ocean if you haven't already. Sounds, graphics and polish is the only thing Wows has going for it in comparison.
>>127960140
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>127960150
that game is too hard, i just want to click, not think
>>127955227
A what now?
>>127960140
>I don't wanna play the shittiest RTS game ever designed
I don't see a problem officer
>>127953640
Cleveland citadel pussy is best pussy
>cruiser turrets that still take 34 seconds to turn, even with Expert Marksman AND the turret turn upgrade
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>127960114
nice aslains crosshair :^)
>>127960774
I'm actually far too lazy to install mods.
In all seriousness, that (relatively shallow) increase in damage was because I was grinding the Kongo and Myoko missions hardcore in my Mogami in which I averaging more than 62K damage a game. Probably played like 150 games in her over the past week.
The spike in xp was because I bought polanbote and got 7 days of premium with it and for some reason, WG doesn't normalize your xp to base xp.
who decent here
>>127954439
Nah they'll make it so it can't fire all the guns at once
>>127961230
>>127961230
>only good
>not excellent
>only above average amount of damage
>not extremely high amount of damage
Wow anon.Not bad and keep working at it.
>>127961230
>often finishes damaged enemies
>>127961710
Kill secured.
I love it when warships.today less-than-subtly calls people killstealers.
>>127960150
Is it like navyfield at all?
>>127961230
feels good man
>>127960774
Aim assist really doesn't benefit you THAT much, any ship can EASILY avoid most shells from more than 10km away due to how long shell travel time is, and if you are within less than 10km, neither party should be missing in the first place for aim assist to matter. All it does is make the process of you figuring out ship trajectories slightly faster.
The cheatiest thing about the aim assist mod is probably the fact it gives you a ships exact speed so you know exactly what its about to do, like stopping or reversing, and it tells you when a ship is turning, so you can aim ahead of it in anticipation.
>>127961574
>>127961961
>>127962447
what is this and where do i get it
>>127955227
all dd get a lot of dd kills
>>127962557
Warships.today
>>127961230
I havent played NM in ages. Currently im mostly playing Udaloi.
>>127962675
Tell us your secrets.
If your boat doesnt have a lego version of it, ITS NOT A REAL BOAT
![il_570xN.590029619_olq7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2bJmIvR.jpg "il_570xN.590029619_olq7[1].jpg")
>>127960309
>Cleveland citadel pussy is best pussy
pic related
>Got a $50 gift visa card for christmas
>Still haven't spent it
>Atago constantly tempting me to buy her
>Not much else to spend money on at the moment
holy shit, st. louis is fucking retarded, i went from being a complete shitter to making every match my own personal fuckboi
>>127963350
It's the best T3 BB, what did you expect.
>>127963581
>bb
>>127963671
>joke
>your head
>>127963671
You heard me.
>>127963708
take this, its dangerous out there
>>127963053
well that's a relief
>>127963550
i've been stuck on rank 12 after 70 battles but it says im the player with highest average damage and experience per battle
then i looked at players with the highest rank currently and some of them play stock battleships only and they've only played 30~ battles
this is just so wrong, why is Wargaming rigging matchmaking?
>T34 KILL BOAT WHEN?
>been sick for days now
>so sick i haven't even been able to shitpost on 4chan or play botes i
sink some botes for me senpai
>>127964412
Buffalo when?
>>127966559
>11 quad Bofors
Jesus.
>>127966559
is this supposed to be a warships equivalent to the M60/Obj. 907?
>>127967124
It only has 4 more 40mm barrels than the Baltimore.
>>127964946
>not mounting ISU-152s on your botes
CBT:
>equal amounts of DDs, cruisers, and BBS
Now:
>nothing but BBs and DDs
how would you fix cruisers?
>>127971279
Nobody ever says anything about CVs despite having the least population.
>>127970010
>No Object 704 bb
>>127971391
talking about CVs in this thread is just inviting nothing but shitposting
>>127971391
CVs can delete ships off the map.
let us control our AA so it's not some shitty aura and we can bring CVs back
>>127959240
>Not even having a 56% solo wr
>>127959240
post your IGN fellow NA trumposter
i have a 61% WR if we division together we can make WoWs great again
>>127964946
>>127970010
what if
drum loaded 12" guns?
>nikolai + 30 days premium + flags package
S-should I do it lads?
>>127972017
what if
a 1000lb self propelled warhead with a 500 mile range, with a built in tracking system so it always hits the enemy ship
we could call it a rooty tooty fire and forgetti
>>127972221
Ready Setty, Fire and forgetti!
>>127972110
Nah, go for T7 premiums and above
What if we replaced all cruiser turrets with T30 turrets?
And then there's the Germans.
>What if we take a flak gun...and fired it SIDEWAYS?
>>127972875
what?
>>127972875
what are you talking about
>>127972610
[Spoiler]but i already have Tirpitz[/spoiler]
>>127973024
>>127973334
>has never heard of the 88
enttäuschend
>>127974821
oh I was thinking of a completely different axis
What better way to get rid of those pesky Matildas?
>2 CVs versus 2 CVs micromanagement
Why is my entertainment so stressful?
Guys I just started playing, do I need to get to service record lv.10 for that Arpeggio weekend missions?
>burnout from playing Ranked
Interest is waning, what do
a-am i gud yet, senpai?
>>127976354
yes
>>127976512
play world of warplanes. once you realise how shitty that game is, you'll learn to appreciate warships again.
>>127976512
are you sure you're not burned out because of the grinding and frustration from those retards ending up in your team
>70 battles, rank 11, started at rank 15, i'm the #1 player in EU with the highest average damage and experience
i'm literally getting bots in my team and there are shitters playing stock colorado who is at rank 7 with less than 30 battles played.
https://streamable.com/xa4d
https://streamable.com/tbic
>>127958906
>so many losses due to abysmal match making, failures for team mates, games with Mikasa, AFK players and just generally bad luck
>check win rate
>still 58.45%
Phew, I thought I had become a shitter for sure.
>>127976512
play WoT
>>127977116
I think it's the number of battles required to reach Rank 1 when I can use these battles to grind my other botes. It's like a chore.
Random is more fun as well.
>bored with the game
>only play co-op battles anymore
welp
It doesn't help in ranked that your team has 1 BB and the enemy has TWO (2).
>3000 dubloons in WoWs
>0 gold in WoT
why is this allowed at all
12 minutes of premium time left
aww
>mfw my winrates with all of my main ships are a solid 60+%, but my shitty struggles with the german tree and some of the early BBs drag it down considerably.
>>127978459
Is that Danganropa? I've read a lot offutadoujins of her
>>127978459
tfw i would have 90k average damage and 6 K/D if i took my time to read a guide on how to play IJN cruiseres
>>127978548
Ayep, it's Junko.
>>127977969
>in my Derpitz with 2 Hatsu, 1 Fubuki, 2 Mogamins and 1 Atagoy
>1 Derpitz, 1 NC, 2 Mogamins, 1 Atagoy, 1 Hatsu and 1 Mahan on enemy team
>North
>enemy Hatsu got rekt at the start at A
>we capped A
>my 2 Hatsu acts as diversion on the left of A, rest went to B
>enemy Mahan gets rekt at B
>wins game by retreating after capping B while taking pot shots at their CAs
The BBs aint going to cap points, sometimes you have to play smart (and let DDs carry Ranked games).
>>127972221
Didnt the shells for the Iowa get that capability post war?
>Aim-assist Internet Defense Force is in this thread, RIGHT NOW
>Konigsberg's Max range is 19.8 with AFT
>it can easily invisifire
>people don't bother with it
Is there something I'm not seeing?
>>127982540
mfw i played konigsberg and nurnberg with DE because of muh yorck, hipper, roon and hindenburg
>>127982540
>20 seconds hang time
>>127982540
the most of maps on that tier are small too
/wosg/ How in the fuck do I stop being cit penned and getting nuked before the first minute of matches? I've played almost 600 rounds but i have only survived 70
>>127982652
>not getting a Commander just for Konigsberg
Getting 10 skill points isn't even hard, anon.
>>127983382
stop playing destroyers
>>127983382
Not showing broadside or charging straight at a group of cruisers would be a start.
>>127983492
But Idon't
>>127983531
get detection ability
>>127983579
But Ido
>>127983382
don't be the guy everyone is shooting at to begin with
don't give them free shots on your citadel
>>127983608
you either upload a replay or a webm of you getting citadel'd or you stop sailing into them to get shot at
>>127983647
how do i shoot things if i don't sail to them
>>127983756
shoot behind islands, shoot behind battleships/your team, stealth fire etc
>>127983895
ok well i can't do that when BBs have 20+km range and this piece of shit cleveland has 14 or whatever
you know what fuck video games i fucking hate them
>>127983756
wait until they're shooting at someone else first
dodge their return fire, don't just sail in a straight line at a consistent speed
use the map to cover you from as many enemies as possible
angle your ship
>>127979827
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3BjUGrnoMs
There is literally NO reason to play a Montana over Yamato.
So why do people still get her?
>>127985318
Yamato will NEVER EVER, EVER be free.
>>127985318
Hey, if you play that far up in a BB's line, do you want to go back and do it all over again?
>>127985318
>muh future Montana buff
Also, good bote to view in port
>>127985318
because some people like the actual ship
or because they like any of the ships in the preceding line and went down it instead of the US line
turns out when you have to grind a stupid amount of games people like to do it in ships they enjoy no matter what the reason is for them enjoying it
>>127985318
montana was literally designed to kill yamato and musashi
its supposed to be slower than iowa but with stronger firepower.
instead we get a north carolina with 4 turrets and that's it
oh god I forgot how awful the New Mexico was completely stock
lads I've made a mistake
>>127986095Not so new now eh, Old Mexico
>>127983492
since when dd have citadels
>>127986095
It's really not that bad mate. I just went through it not too long ago.
Immediately get the range mod. It'll hold you till you get the range upgrade. After that it's smooth sailing.
>>127986456
that's what I've already got, but man it feels like I'm playing a kawachi all over again, especially since all 3 of my games so far have been T8
They should rename this game Mиp Кливлeндoв.
>>127986503
T8 is pretty suffering if you have to fight battleships instead of laughing as +2 cruisers underestimate you and get deleted.
Best way I found was no angling bow forward 1/2 speed and load HE. They can't citadel you from the front, but superstructure damage will hurt a lot while theirs bounce your AP.
You can almost delete a north car or tirpitz with AP if they get cocky at close range though.
>get burned out on WoWs
>go try to play WoT
>play arty and get to tier 5 since I was used to the long reloads
>the WoT /vg/ channel bullies me into playing real tanks
>get completely overwhelmed by the 9000 different tech trees
>don't know what to pick
>quit
welp
>ap secondaries
god
could the nagato be any more of a meme
>>127986993
Wait, what?
I always end up setting fires on destroyers with my Nagato during CQC. Are they really AP?
>>127986993
Did Nagato even sink one single ship IRL LMAO
>>127986716
Actually fighting things is fine, it's just when I spend all of 40 seconds of a game with ships in my gun range and then spend literally the next 15 minutes chasing the entire enemy team into the corner of a map without being able to fire a shot at them that I just want to shoot myself.
My US BB memories of never getting to fight anything are all coming back.Guess it's time to be a good goy and just grind out some free XP on my jap BBs.
>>127987092
The 140mm ones fire AP, the 127mm AA/secondary guns fire HE as far as I remember.
>>127987148
no, but she raped quite a few in the bedroom
>>127987226
implying a rape by mogami isn't a thing to desire and that the ships didn't have a queue who will be raped next
>>127987301
Boys can't rape, it's not physically possible.
>>127987092
nagato only has 4 secondaries that shoot HE the rest of them shoot 140mm meme AP
>a torpedo hit close to the main battery turret may result in a detonation
how the fuck is this realistic at all
>>127987207
>free xping the best bb line
shiggy
As for the gun range, 17.1 is pretty big, but the tier 8 BB's out range you and are faster, that's why fighting them if they don't want to fight you is suffering. Once you get the first hull you'll get a spotter plane that can increase your range to somewhere about 21km.
You still have to play differently than IJN though, even with the range boost. It took a little bit to get used to but I learned the best way in the new york.
Where IJN BB's are more reactive, USN are proactive. While IJN may go around an island to get a shot on someone, USN wants to go straight into them. IJN wants to set up firing angles from decent ranges on where the enemy will be going, USN wants to set up directly in their path. Frequently this results in you fighting enemies heavily out-numbered but those battles are the battles where I come out with 150k+ damage in my mexican as I don't have to travel across the entire map.
>>127987603
pretty realistic, yeah?
irl torps also set fires... and fires caused detonations themselves
>these guys play Ranked
Second guy brought a stock Hatsuharu
S
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>>127988047
>torpedo detonates underwater
>setting fires
>underwater
>>127988269
the second guy has a decent winrate
also what's wrong with stock hatsuharu? i had a ~16800 xp game with hatsu who at best had the second hull and only a single propulsion module and nothing else
being stock doesn't hurt most of ijn dd that much
>>127988418
it penetrates you and detonates inside
feminine torpedo
rather it penetrates you with detonation...
also you can watch how it looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrISbwy_zI <- a british bb detonates while being sunk by 3 torpedo hits
you can google about royal oak too, she had a fire and kind of detonation after a torpedo attack too
>>127988630
>4x2
and nothing of value was lost
>>127988464
What is he going to do against a fully researched Mahan/Fubuki/Benson?
Literally zero contribution
>>127989017
she spams torpedoes and avoids knifefighting
it's the same what you do with fubuki vs benson... except hatsu is faster and has a tighter turn radius than bucky
there are even people who prefer her to fubuki in ranked
>>127989126
And this is why it's hilarious. Fubuki and Kagerou are slow with a huge turn radius.
Ducky pride World wide
>>127989126
>avoids knifefighting
Hope you enjoy Hatsus in your team dropping torps and not going for objectives
Because that's what my Hatsu did
>>127989793
only hot because of her skirt desu
she's like a slightly less slutty shimakaze
>>127990167
She's hot but at least she has some kind of dignity when comapred to turboslut
>3 torpedo launchers
>>127989885
avoiding knifefights which you will lose it's not not going for objectives
also the stock hatsu hull has 5 guns
Never imagined how much the behaviour of captains would change because of the Arpeggio missions and turn everybody into killstealing bitchwhores. That was totally a surprise.
>>127990485
>free cap point to contest
>OH THERES A BB ON THE OTHER SIDE, I AM GOING FOR IT
I am not going to argue anymore
>>127990297
All destroyers are sluts, Heavy Cruisers are classy ships
>>127988269
>xp/battle
including premium/flags/paintjob?
>>127987946
nigga I'm only talking about free XPing out of stock, I don't even care that much about grinding the line I just want to be able to play my New Mexico again without having to deal with 15km gun range and 18kt speed.
>>127990630
>crossdresser
>turbo-JK-slut
>classy
>>127990630
Heavy Cruisers is the old hag/Christmas Cake class.
>>127990648
Yes
>>127990648
i believe it's the base which may include premium only
>>127954718
Accuracy/Range of Secondaries
Reload Time on Torpedoes
Range of Torpedoes
Accuracy of Jap Ships pitching and rolling vs. accuracy of USN ships pitching and rolling
Accuracy of rounds from a BB at the same range as a CA being less accurate
And these aren't even digging deep into stuff that flies into history/would be too 'sim' like to implement.
>basically afk while all the enemy BBs just sail in front of me broadside on and stop dead in the water
>easiest 205k in my life
holy fug
>>127990980
>Heavy Cruisers is the old hag/Christmas Cake class.
That only applies to Myoukou
>>127992183
And Ashigara.
And Takao.
And Atago.
And pretty much all of them.
>>127992275
>implying noone will want these twoat the same time
>>127992275
> Maya
> old hag
>>127971279
Nerf Torps. Seriously torps are the biggest problem in WoW right now. They encourage BB players, cause they can group up and hide in the back to avoid dd players, and torps being soooo powerful (and really to fast reload time, should 5+ min) dd players can do massive dmg with them. CA's get caught in the middle. They dont have the guns/range to duke it out as part of the battle like at 20 km with the BB's (also dont have the armor to survive it) and up close they get wrecked by torps. Nerf torps (either with reload or have them do 10% the dmg they do) and CA would come back in a helluva way.
>>127992484
>(and really to fast reload time, should 5+ min)
This sounds like a bit excessive
>>127992484
>getting wrecked by torps in a CA
BaBBy please.
>>127992484
Is this what a shitter sounds like?
>>127992484
is this from the forums?
>>127992659
Then why do BB's have a 30 sec reload? Or CA's have a 15 sec reload? Cause its realistic right? Well that's the big problem with CA's, is that their slow reloads (at high tier) makes it more or less impossible to properly deal with DD's. If, and I strongly disagree with this but it *is* how it seems to work is;
DD>BB/DD
BB>BBs/CA
CV>BB's/CV's
CA>DD's/CV's (insofar as better AA)
The last one though is barely true, as CA's seldom seem to prioritize dd's because the long 15 sec reload, coupled with torp spam at high tiers, makes them not worth the shot (I can put some AP into a BB and do 2x the damage and guarantee a hit rather than a DD) If you want CA's to fill their 'role' of countering DD's, either they need to have a much lower reload rate, like 7-8 ish sec, or RAISE DD torp reload to 5+ min so that getting in close to guarantee hits is less suicidal than it is now. This is the main reason that CA's dont play much at High tier, cause its BB death at range, or torp death at knife fight range. I say this as someone with the Zao and the DM, and playing as them is a pain because of this dynamic. And why do DD's get a special unrealistic reload when BB's and CA's dont? Torp launchers took upwards of 10-15 min to reload in reality, meanwhile yes, indeed, it was ~15 sec for a CA and ~30 sec for a BB. So why do the BB's and CA's get 'real' reloads and DD's get ANOTHER advantage in this game on top of all the other advantages they get.
>>127993004
This is what a BaBBy/DDouche sounds like.
That ō font is pissing me off, WG pls fix
>>127993140
>(I can put some AP into a BB and do 2x the damage and guarantee a hit rather than a DD) If you want CA's to fill their 'role' of countering DD's, either they need to have a much lower reload rate, like 7-8 ish sec
following your own logic with a RoF buff they'll just end focusing BBs still except now they kill them at twice the speed.
this is why I'm glad you aren't on the balance team
>>127993140
cont'
DD's are not supposed to be a counter to a Battleship. Historically they were used as AA platforms, ASW, and area of denial with torpedo (forcing an enemy to turn away to cover your escape; see: Battle of Jutland) They were *not* used to destroy battleships or cruisers. Obviously WG wanted a 4th class and instead of breaking up CL's and CA's from the go, they added DD's, and had to invent a bunch of mechanics to give them alot of advantages to make them competitive with the other classes, but consequently it miss balanced the rolls of the other classes of ships.
>>127992484
Might as well remove carriers from the game if you nerf torps
>>127993345
No it wouldn't. Because I dont do this with the DM which has a faster ROF than most DD's at high tier. I tend to focus on DD (if I can) and other CA's. While yeah I can do alot of dmg to a BB, they will always beat my DPS with their tankiness. You raise the ROF on other High Tier CA's they would probably end up being played the same way. Alot of Cruiser knife fights, and make DD's a bit more cautious and sneaky they tend to be now.
>>127993140
>And why do DD's get a special unrealistic reload when BB's and CA's dont?
I don't know, man. Atlanta and others seem to shit fire.
>>127993489
>they will always beat my DPS with their tankiness.
because they don't have double the DPS they do currently
give that to an invisfiring Zao and there's no point even playing anything else.
>>127993458
'If I ran the zoo' I wouldn't nerf torp dmg, they should be deadily and it makes sense they are. What I would nerf is their reload speed for DD's. See the advantage that *should* be inherent to a plane dropped torp is that it's dropped at the 'perfect range/angle' whereas a ship launched torp will likely have to sacrifice a bit of both due to both ships moving (relatively) similar speeds. Right now though, due to reload speeds, that's not true, DD's can sit in the invis space and spam a full spreed of torps every 2 or so minutes and yes, MOST miss, but if even one hits, it can do 5k-15k dmg. And this is all where the player recieiving the hit can't do really anything about it, since you can't see torps at all ranges, can't see when their launched, and of course, have little recourse against the firer. For a CV this isn't how it works, since they can launch them "perfectly," so even a longer reload should effect this. That said, CV's should have way better torp drops and, the simpliest way to make them balanced, is to allow ALL CV's, even straight from Tier IV, have 2-4 Torp squads in the air at once, as opposed to 1 or 2 at best.
>>127993135
forums are not so stupid
>>127993775
>CV's should have way better torp drops and, the simpliest way to make them balanced, is to allow ALL CV's, even straight from Tier IV, have 2-4 Torp squads in the air at once, as opposed to 1 or 2 at best.
jesus christ this just keeps getting stupider
>>127993739
Hey balance goes both ways, you raise CA's ROF you gotta make it functionally impossible to invis-a-fire. But it does let them fill their roll of DD sceening and CA defense. As it stands right now CA's don't really have a role. That's why you see them kinda doing a bit of everything; some sitting with bb's and shelling at range, some rushing for knife fights, some trying to do torp runs (where applicable) and some screening. Problem is, current balance doesn't allow them to be particularly good at any of these things. That's why the Balt and Ibuk are so shit at their tiers. They're 'role' isn't something they can actually try to do, so they end up trying to be jack of all trades, master of none, which is *not* what a CA is supposed to do.
>Relying on allied BaBBies to not fuck up
Hipper in ranked is suffering.
I only have a stock NC, should I rebuy Colorado or grinf RU DDs?
>>127993880
Why? Why is that a bad idea? I explained my point of view, don't just shit on it without explanation.
>>127993590
Atlanta's a CL and arguably was designed as just a giant DD. And with the way people play it in game, it is basically just a giant DD. And the Atlanta's reload is realistic. It's actually not to be fair. It should be faster. At fastest fireing contionts (not sustainable for more than a few minutes) they should shoot around 12-15 RPM.
>>127993993
>Hipper in ranked
>Colorado in ranked
>>127992832
Try having 3 speedsluts on the enemy team and still saying cruisers beat destroyers.
>>127994172
>And with the way people play it in game, it is basically just a giant DD
Tenryuu and Kuma work too as giant DDs. They are prettyfun.
Can someone explain free xp to a newb?
I have premium diana and it only earns the green xp
Can I grind my next carrier with it??
>>127994250
I didn't say they beat destroyers at tier 10 though. CAs are literally useless starting with tier 8. You just don't get wrecked by torps in cruisers if you aren't doing something wrong.
>>127993993
Stop playing Ranked. You'll just piss your team off.
>>127994250
It's not even just that, it's that because of the agility of DD (which they *should* have) coupled with the slow reload on CA guns, and THEN add in the relatively fast reload on Torps, and you have a situation where I, in a CA, try to get close in to deal with a dd (because likelhood is, assuming *he* has skill, will dodge any shots fired at 10+ km, which, again, they should and should be able to) but if I get close, I'm guarenteeing to get a full torp burst sent my way, but even if I managed to dodge all of them, in a minute or so I get ANOTHER full one, forgetting that 1 hit from these can be half my health while 1 hit from my guns might not even DO dmg pending on where it hits. You raise ROF for CA's, or drop ROF for DD torps, now when I get close in a CA dodging becomes less useful and productive/kill them faster/they can't kill me.
Basically problem is, most types in this game have a hard counter, the CA isn't a hard counter for anyone, and it should be, and it should be for DD's.
>>127994176
60% WR and it can actually take a hit and has a role, unlike the hipper
>>127994531
Fuck you, I want my flag.
>>127994427
>Can I grind my next carrier with it??
No, you can't.
>Can someone explain free xp to a newb?
It's XP that you can spend on any ship.
>I have premium diana and it only earns the green xp
You can't use that XP anywhere, unless you spend REAL LIFE MONEY converting it into free XP.
>>127994315
No offense but I'm mostly talking about tiers 8 9 and 10. Below tier 8, skill comes into MUCH greater play in outcome of a fight, because most of the ships kinda handle similar (how much difference is their between a Omaha and an equal tier DD? Really just power of the individual shots and size but playstyle is VERY similar)
At high tier, the equipment the player is using comes more into play. The best player put into a Balt isn't going to EVER do as well as even bad player in Zao. The player's skill isn't as much of a factor and hence it's a balance issue at high tier.
>>127994568
Then give in to the goy and use your Free XP to research the NC hull.
>>127994706
>The best player put into a Balt isn't going to EVER do as well as even bad player in Zao.
Considering the Baltimore is a T9 and the Zao is a T10 I'd be pretty fucking surprised if they were completely equal.
>>127994568
Look, even stock NC is better for ranked than Colorado no matter how good you are. There is a reason why it's mostly Amagi and Tirpitz playing in tier 8 ranked. Slow boats aren't welcome. If you have the time to grind ruski DDs then spend it upgrading NC.
>>127994803
It isn't hard to outperform Aoba in Omaha though.
>play Ranked for 3 hours
>win lose win lose
>back to square one
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKK
>>127994803
It's not the tier difference, it's the difference in equipment. The Mog and the NO are the same tier at 8, and the Mog is *way* better, in basically every way (IMO the NO is overtiered by at least 2 levels). Everyone pretty much agrees the Yam is way better than the Montana, and their at the same tier. It's a quality of equipment issue, not a individual player issue. This becomes *very* noticeable when you switch lines of nations. I went all the way up both the CA and BB lines in the USN and got pretty good with them, but still had a bunch of issues (most of which pertain to accuracy of the guns and dmg compared to other nation's ships). I prefer CA's and so went up the German CA tree and wtf? They are unbelievably better. And having gone through the USN has made me MUCH better in the German CA's since it basically tightens up all the problems that the USN CA's have, but despite this, when I got up the Hind in the German line, it was *better* than the DM, but not in it's role. Basically what I'm saying is the Hind vs. a DM I Know I can wipe the floor with the DM, but the Hind vs. doing it's role, is a still a problem. That's why I think all CA's need one helluva buff. For flavor sake I'd do this:
USN gets dmg control that's equal to that of a BB's but faster reload (USN was very well known for DMG control)
Germans need a helluva ROF upgrade since they're poor rudders make them very serious DD bait
Jap boats need better torp protection, since they brawl well, but brawling with a DD is suicide most of the time (even if you kill him 9/10 death torps nail ya).
>>127994754
>>127994847
Alright, thanks
>>127995312
cont'
Alternatively, I'd give all CA's control of their secondary batteries. For one, that's the American CA design outlook in WWII, that's why all the USN CA's have dramatically larger Secondary arms than other nations. Give control of them and it makes up for the lack of torps (and assume they are equal in ability to how they play n DD's/Atlanta). Likewise on the other CA's it allows them to properlly deal with DD's without having to alter DD reload rates for torps. It's really something that should be in game, secondary batteries are very vital in ship design and played roles in battles.
So how many people actually use the aim assist mod?
I fucking hate the idea of it, but if everyone's using it i'm not going to give myself a disadvantage
>>127996319
I use it and desu it doesn't help as much as you think. The speed indicator is more useful. About the only class I found it helps on is DD's, just cause their shots are hard to dodge. On a BB its a liability I find cause I'll often look at the aim point as opposed to the boat, and not pay attention to if it's gona move soon or something. That said, if my target is moving at a CS&B, I can more or less guarantee at least one Cit at most angles but at high tier that's rarely what happens anyway. So I'd say try it, see if you like it, but desu I'd trade the aim indicator for just the speed indactor.
>>127996604
Where the fuck did that 'desu' come from?
