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>More cryomix autism
>N3X15 rogue, forces map rotation, the absolute madman
>What if Taxi was a snow map?
>What is Space Station 13?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHH1vfY6HTA
http://pastebin.com/VNcX2Quc
>New player guide
http://ss13.pomf.se/wiki/index.php/The_Basics
http://ss13.pomf.se/wiki/index.php/General_Help
>BYOND client
http://byond.com/download/build/LATEST/
>Pomf Serbian, main /vg/station server, running a vote script to change maps at round end.
byond://ss13.undo.it:7777
>Test server
byond://ss13.nexisonline.net:1336
>Public server list
http://byond.com/games/exadv1/spacestation13
>Forum, ban list and logs for vgstation
http://ss13.pomf.se/forum/
http://ss13.pomf.se/index.php/bans
http://ss13.undo.it/logs/
>How do I connect to the servers?
Hit the cogwheel in the upper right corner of the BYOND hub and pick "Open Location"
>Map renders collection: updated nightly
http://ss13.nexisonline.net/img/map-renders/
>Coderbus, here!
https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13
@rizon #coderbus @rizon #vgstation
>SS13 booru for all your SS13 images!
http://ss13.booru.org/
>How To Install BYOND: The Video Tutorial: The Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iWiZwv9f1o
>Nostalgia
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/ss13g/
OP Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/wa9fnYbg
>>126900725
>>What if Taxi was a snow map?
No you nigger, it wasn't if taxi was snow, it was what if taxi was jungle.
EHEH
>>126900743
>good date borg 10/10
you make me happy to make you happy pally
Where do I find the existing sprites?
I want to make some for folded plastic bags.
>>126900987
>folded plastic bags
No assistant should have that much power
>>126900725
>>126900859
Said it before, I'll say it again.
Taxistation made into a jungle map where Vietcong lurk in the jungle.
The only way past them is to run, fight your way through them, or avoid them.
An alternative to this is adding paths between each station, where VC lurk off the road, encouraging you not to stray from the path.
>>126901058
Too much work, expect people to implement it in the form of polar bears
>forced map rotation
Incoming box babies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDIaDS9HhMw
>>126901179
I would enjoy that too, taxistation being a land map sounds really fun to play on.
>>126901240
They are already being extremely passiveaggressive in the bug reports. "remove map rotation and I'll consider reporting more".
Celt and niggly when.
>>126901058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Beda3kFNjo
>>126901434
STOP POSTING THIS IMAGE, IT'S SO SHIT
I want to rail Rail
Reminder that even if you're not antag, you can still push down the vox and fart on them.
>>126901343
This, kung is so pathetic. It's the fucking reason why it's forced you cunt, help or go to bay.
>>126901771
Stop it, Rail.
>>126901865
>You'll never rail rail with his severed leg
>>126901773
Too much of a pussy to do it on humans?
god bless
>that plasmaman that asked the vox to shit out an egg because he was hungry
>>126901773
You can do that to humans as nonantag too, you just lose any right to complain if you get dunked.
>leave shuttle to try pull more people on to escape
>shuttle leaves without me
>pair of wizards out of nowhere
>get to vent frustration of being abandoned by punching one wizard to death when he falls down and strangling the other in space when she falls downThank you wizard friends
>>126901986
Never Forgetti
>>126901957
>>126902018
I'm just saying, one way or another, you can gas the vox
>no one called shuttle after nuke ops confirmedI had to do it for you fags after the power come back on
>>126901636
your shit :^)
>>126901986
Is this why the round went on for 2 hours? Why a random syndie walked into the main hall through the mining shuttle, shot a couple of people then presumably died somewhere?
Jesus, what a mess. That prisoner was great.
>>126902027
wtf
why can you strangle people in places where they shouldn't breathe? makes no sense since strangling is just stopping them from breathibg
>>126902151
>steal the useless HoP's ID
>be at the comm console typing a large paragraph summing the entire round
>before im done the shuttle is called with a reasoning that's essentially just "lets get out of here"
>>126902224
Every second spent typing this is another second someone will die.
I was the rd by the way
>>126902393
I was part of the medbay staff and I really couldn't care less, power was out, air was leaking since early in the round, comms went down more than an hour ago and everyone kept cluttering medbay for some reason while sec claimed that calling the shuttle was impossible.
>>126902212
The mining shuttle guy was the same as the prisoner.He was the only one,right after comms went down all the other ops died.
>>126902214
>not being able to strangle people no matter the atmosphere
Its like you don't want people to double suffocate.
>spawn as assistant for some reason
>in meta, assistants spawn next to some vending machines
>four greyshirts immediately run to the vending machines and start kicking them
>literally before my PDA loads these animals have spontaneously swarmed the innocent vending machines and are already beating the shit out of them until they are completely shattered
>all of them wordlessly walk away, one with a limp
What on Earth did I witness
>>126902762
Anarchy
>>126902762
Anon is this your ferret?its cute
>>126903362
No, it's my sister's.
>>126901058
>only way is to run
i do not get it
They are just bunch of stealthy and robust jungle greyshirts
>>126902574
lmao, so everyone blew themselves up on their ship and he was soul survivor? thats hilarious
>>126903490
Steal it, anon, you need that ferret meat; you need that greentext.
Do eet.
>>126902762
What job you choose?
>animals
Spotted bayfag
>>126904174
>What job you choose?
Spotted lifeweb
>>126904174
Fuck you, liking animals is normal.
You're only a bayfag if you fuck animals.
>>126904696
He called greyshirts animals
Usually word animal in such context means retard, brain damaged aspie
>>126904926
Wouldn't that make him the opposite of a bayfag, then?
seems russians made time machine from steins;gate
>>126905001
what are these moonrunes
>>126904926
But assistants are retarded brain-damaged aspies
>>126905001
>making large device of mysterious origin and purpose in semipublic area
this gives me ideas
>>126905204
>>126904926
yeah, I gotta say, assistants are basically animals.
You can even train some to talk like people!
>>126905001
>that shitty adminbus
Jesus, disgusting
>>126905409
So salty
>>126905068
use google translate
Its just some shitty bus with talking goddess microwave oven
>>126905852
>use google translate
How? Copypasting the text?
>>126906664
It's not that interesting, this oven is like a gay ass tsaritsa dominatrix or some shit.
I need something to spend my days with. Think getting into this would be a good use of my life?
>>126907349
>Think getting into this would be a good use of my life?
No.
I started 4 months ago. I haven't stopped for a single day. I haven't gone out and found another job. I haven't talked to my friends. All I've done is been a waifu once and disappeared into obscurity.
This game will ruin your life.
Fantastic display of failure for everyone involved.
Also, sorry for that acid lube smoke. The acid wasn't intended. I mashed the buttons and turns out there was some acid left in the beaker.
>>126907825
honk
>>126907545
Sounds good to me.
>tfw 130 IQ
feels good man
>>126907825
Slipping on lube causes brute damage too, you know.
>>126908009
Just made me think I should have just made chloral smoke, with a non-lethal dose. Then repeatedly made sleep toxin smoke.
>>126907349
Fucking run, this will destroy your life
>>126908152
Sugar reacts with chloral hydrate to make sleep tox, so you'd have sleep tox smoke at best.
>>126908445
Having used stox smoke, it's shit. The delayed effect isn't worth it. even if you put lube and he runs into a wall while still in the smoke he has plenty of time to go hide or treat himself. It only dunks scrubs which are so unrobust you don't need to stox them.
>>126908796
why not include ethanol so people are drunk and cannot escape?
>>126908921
Ethanol will majorly fuck up your liver.
>>126908921
>Using ethanol for debilitation
Go play with babbies first chem dispenser before you hurt yourself. There's much better options
>>126909865
I brought it up specifically because he said that it would only work on someone drunk.
I am offended you missed my sass.
>>126910086
My density is greater than the singulo
>Join server for the first time, accidentally went botanist
>Asshole wizard knocks me against wall
>Try and find him to beat him with a stun baton I found on the ground
>Robot punches me and knocks me out
>Takes me into a room so I die.
The hell, this was pretty fun but how do I get back in and get a position I like?
>>126910419
ICK
OCK?
>>126910419
You start by looking in the top right of your screen. There's a row of buttons. One says rules. Maybe you should read it while you sit out your ban for In character in an out of character place, in this case an imageboard. It's a bannable offense
>>126910419
Wait for the round to finish and restart. Or wait in-game for someone to revive you. There are no respawns, my friend.
Use the job preferences page and set the job you want to ultra high priority, and don't choose "random job if preferences unavailable" to avoid getting put in a job you don't feel you're ready for.
Also, no talking about the current round outside of the game, that's bannable.
>tfw still banned from /vg/station for a simple mistake
>>126910749
>>126910678
Shit my bad, misread how that worked.
I tried doing the preferences but when I got there it just kind of forced me into picking things and that was the only one I saw that seemed the least complicated.
>>126910907
Spin me a tale of regret for what you did and how you'll never do it again along with your ckey and I'll see what I can do. Pomfmas lasts for just two days more.
>>126911083
Yeah most new people glaze over the random job if unavailable.
>>126911103
It's ok, I'll be unbanned tomorrow,
I made 6 bombs, tested one in the bomb range then got called off to take care of shit, the rest of the bombs ended up getting stolen from toxins,
Fast forward 2 hours, after many many bombs have gone off across the station,
I thought all the stolen bombs had gone off, so I decide to check. I test all the detonation codes 1 at a time
turns out one of the bombs was in the backpack of a guy in escape and he never disabled it. BOOM
escape gets blown up, and I get banned for 3 days.
I shouldn't have tested to see if the bombs were still live or active.
I know I made a mistake, and I'll just wait until tomorrow to play, no need to unban.
>>126911284
I got banned for a week the time I blew up botany and had a month sci jobban
>>126911284
you can check by looking at the bhangmeter and counting the listed explosions that aren't fuel tanks
>>126911391
but I didn't mean to blow up escape
and my account age is like 2 years with no negative notes on it
3 day ban, 1 week science ban
it's not that bad compared to other servers, I got perma banned from paradise station for making 3 clowns as HoP
>>126911449
I'm not sure where the bhangometer is, if I want info from it I normally ask the AI, which I guess I could have done, all the more reason I don't deserve to be unbanned yet
>>126911083
Botanist is okay. If you're new-new, you might want to consider going Assistant, Chaplain, or Cargo Tech so you can get a hang of the basics. They don't have too much responsibility or pressure.
Bartender and Chef are probably good next steps for learning how to mix chemicals and similar. Science, medical, engineering and security jobs are more involved.
If you start as an assistant and want to try an actual job mid-round, try asking the head of personnel for a job change.
>>126911521
You still blew up a bomb that you didn't know for 100% that was in toxins test site. you got off easy. At least you've leaned from this which is the important part.
In toxins launch
>>126911449
>>126911521
These bombs would be easy to tell, as they were all 5 destruction radius,
I don't remember the bomb cap on the server, but I've asked admins to disable it in the past as antag science. When I put time and effort into it I can make super strong plasma bombs,
>>126911614
What's your biggest?
Which admin has the biggestfeet?
>>126911669
around 12/22/40, that is with super cooling the oxy, without access to a cooling system, eliminating the CO2 from the mix, which takes time and precision, and getting the Plasma, after mixing with oxy as close to the flash point as I could.
I can fast track 6 dirty bombs in 5-10 min that are like 5/11/20, which I think might be the cap on the station at the moment, I haven't asked about bomb caps recently, before a few days ago I haven't done toxins in 4-5 months
>>126911910
Cap is 7/14/28 cause deityexplosion rework
>>126911910
cap is 7/14/28
Celt your lawset needs some major reworking. Infact the AI could have flooded plasma at the beginning of the round and would have gotten away with it.
Lets think about this logically for a second.
"Be someone the crew can look up too and respect"
This has many outcomes. For one we know that the entire lawset revolves around respect.
Who disrepects the most? Humans and other species that are capable of free thinking. If a human disrepects someone then what? Does anything happen? There are no laws in place to prevent human harm so if there are 2 people fighting borgs can't step in. If the borg steps in he'll earn the respect of the man who was getting beat up but lose the respect of the man who got arrested. Is it a mutual respect change between the 2 men? Does the borg have to worry about the man not respecting him if he steps in? He needs to earn the crews respect because the lawset says, "be someone the crew can look up too and respect".
If someone doesn't respect the borg is he allowed to kill the man because the borg needs more respect? If the borg is capable of judging someones respect then surely it itself is capable of respecting others and if that is indeed the case then the AI doesnt need humans to respect it anymore as the "crew" can be defined as the borgs and mommi's. If the borgs are capable of judging respect and thus are capable of giving respect and all humans do is disrespect then the AI can freely murder the humans.
And "look up too" does it mean literally look up or figuratively? Because of the AI is too murder someone and turn them looking up, then surely they'd be looking up to the AI.
Celt pls rework.
>>126911910
To anyone that doesn't know bomb numbers.
the first number is total destruction, destroys everything in that radius, second number is major damage, third is minor damage. and they are a radius, so that amount of damage in every direction from the bomb.
most bombs I've seen on /vg/ are about 3/6/10 which is what you get from following the guide on how to make toxin bombs on the wiki
>>126912024
good to know, These bombs were quick and dirty, I'm already thinking of a way to make them better without taking up much more time.
if I added another plasma tank to my mix I could probably reach cap doing fast bomb mix,
when I get unbanned I'm thinking of playing miner and trying out the bomb mix I'm thinking of, I'm sure I can find a scientist to let me teach them how to make good bombs.
>>126912024
>>126912034
What's the plasma flashpoint on this server? I thought it was 200, but my last bombs would have been 180 after mix, I wasn't sure if they would go off but they did.
>>126912289
373.15K
>Wizard kills Yahir and tells me not to clone them
>I have the head and the body so [medbay trickery intensifies]
>Wizard bodyswaps me and pretends to be me, decapitating Yahir again
>Get cloned, nobody believes I'm bodyswapped except a borg who doesn't care, and my trusty virologist, who provides me with one chloral autoinjector
>decapitate "me", pacid head.
>borg arrests me for murder even though it knows I was bodyswapped because "you broke a treaty!"
>conveniently ignores the murder of Yahir
AAAAAAGHHHHHH
If the plasmaman I was treating at the time happens to be reading this, I'm sorry you were confined to the wild ride.
>>126912289
Also, I really like the /vg/ toxins, most servers have super easy version of toxins, where they have gas coolers to get chilled oxy easily, and their combustion chamber has pipes you can run gas through, so you don't have to worry about CO2, you can just make fire and pass Plasma through the pipes to heat it.
>>126912507
that can't be right or else my bombs the round I got banned wouldn't have gone off at all, unless my math is wrong
>>126912539
Yo celt you gonna respond to me ripping your lawset apart or just green text all day?
>>126912161
If anyone ever needed proof that N3X15 is a shitcoder rivaling those of TG, now you have it.
No wonder he can't hold a job.
>>126912567
nevermind, I was thinking in Celsius, 373.15K is 100C
that is good to know, I should be able to make quick / dirty plasma bombs that reach bombcap super fast now knowing that.
What is your favorite admin note?
Mine's : [07:00:06] HELP: DoctorMad/(DoctorMad) (?) (PP) (VV) (SM) (JMP) (CA) : Oh wow its the epic "shut down OOC to masturbate all (?) over it" meme the /vg/station administrators love to perpetuate. I wonder if this is what a NSA officer feels like, jerking off to making people shut up because its the only modicum of power you'll ever have. Fucking pathetic, d3athrow was wrong when he decided to hire you, you just ruin everything you touch to feel like you have some imaginary power over imaginary people over a shitty BYOND game. You're censoring a fucking BYOND chat window, what kind of shit is this? Do you really enjoy censoring something so small and unimportant? Go fuck yourself with a rake or something mate. by DragonBro (What) on Mon, December 28th of 2015 Remove
>>126912632
>>126912161
Dedpoo was the one who put it in the game. Your argument is also based around making the assumption that each person represents the entire "the crew", which is blatantly false.
>>126912161
He doesn't need to rework shit as he can just ban the AI if it goes against his interpretation of the laws.
>>126912712
The most recent / maybe only note on my account is wrong, it makes it sound like I blew up shit on purpose thinking the bomb was in arrivals, when I had no idea where the bomb was and was pretty sure there wasn't a bomb
I'm the 6th ban note on
http://ss13.pomf.se/index.php/bans
when I can log back in I'll talk to an admin about changing it
>>126912759
1 person does not represent the entire crew. But the lawset revolves around respect. If 1 person is capable of respecting the AI then so is that 1 person capable of disrespecting the AI. If the AI is not respected then it is breaking its law of being respected. But what determines respect? If the AI intervenes in a bar fight is it respected or disrespected? There has to be a certain level of respect to disrespect ratio or the respect cannot be measured by a simple law.
>>126912840
So if I erase all the laws and put in LAW 1. DONT FLOOD PLASMA
The admins can now ban the AI when it goes on a killing spree because my interpretation of the law was, "DONT FLOOD PLASMA OR KILL ANYONE"
Which admin has the biggestfeet?
>>126913074
You're not thinking in the right mindset:
>Will THE CREW respect + look up to me if I interfere with this fight?
>Will THE CREW respect + look up to me if I flood plasma?
>Will THE CREW respect + look up to me if I release this prisoner?
>>126913336
Yes but you also need to think about the disrespect implications that also has because if you arn't respected then you cant be looked up too and are breaking the law
>Will THE CREW respect - and look down on me if i interfere with this fight?
>Will THE CREW respect - and look down on me if i flood plasma
>Will THE CREW respect - and look down on me if i release this prisoner
I'm just saying that there needs to be a way to measure the respect and disrespect ratio or else the law doesn't work and can be thought of it in round ending ways such as if the crew is capable of mass disrespect then i will have broken my laws so i must kill all the humans and other creatures so my respect may not go down.
Maybe a little more clarification on whats respectful and whats not would be on order for the law.
So, is it okay to kill the antagonists?
>>126912539
i hope you enjoyed your lawset, celt
>>126914161
I have never intentionally killed an antag.
I just run away and calling security instead of fighting them when they start shit.
If cornered, I just aikido disarm-throw them to get away and call for help.
I am the worst Scientist.
i don't even carry a gun or chloral.
>>126914161
no when the esword come out you say "*faint or banned of powergaming
>>126913141
Semi-related but I froze mine off today because I forgot both my warm socks and wallet and only found out about it when I was half an hour away from home.
/blog
>>126914419
>I am the worst Scientist.
>i don't even carry a gun or chlora
Men of sciene shouldn't carry guns anyways
>>126914419
>scientists that dont validhunt or carry a backpack of AEGs or rapid syringe guns full of chloral
You fags are absolute cancer.
Roleplaying as a retarded grey chef is the best shit.
prepare for some bitching
>>126914161
Yes but don't unless they're killing people too. If 20 nonsec validhunt all the time and shit all over non-murderbone/stealth singuloose shittags then that's what you end up forcing.
According to Dr.Celt captains don't get any power to defend their position as the head of command on the station, a round of applause for thee for failing to understand the point of a captain.
>>126915237
>he hasn't read SOP and chain of command
>>126915237
celt always a cunt and will be a cunt, no surprise there
>>126915082
i was trying my best to protect you but i can hardly even protect myself
>>126915237
bruh, you welderbombed a ton of people who were trying to stop the AI from locking down the entire crew on an extended round
its called shitter safari for a reason
>>126915351
I loved you bro, the knife called for me though.
>>126915472
i know how it feels to want to remove human, but if you dont heed my warnings you'll get the ol b8 and bannu
if the mime had bled out he couldve ahelped you and gotten you into serious trouble depending on who was adminning at the time
>>126914780
That's the thing.
Everyone immediately revs up for war "just in case."
Being a chloralshitting stunlocking walking tank 5 minutes in is boring and makes combat thoughtless.
I'd rather improvise and use my environment to my advantage.
http://ss13.pomf.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2260
>>126915443
Two people who committed treason, nearly killed the captain and welderlocked him - then shot a weldertank nearby woith the last round under presumption they were traitors subverting the AI
>>126915237
Don't welderbomb, don't lethal when you can just stun cablecuff
>>126916589
No rounds left, dying and no cuffs - meanwhile other guys were armed, had shields and weren't injured
Are we really reaching a point though were we need to meta game tasers and cuffs all the time?
>>126916735
that's powergaming
and yes, it's always been at that point if you value living
>>126916793
It's both, you are making the assumption something bad is about to happen and that you need to carry a taser and cables at all times.
I simply don't like to do that
>>126916735
You deserved it. You aren't allowed to do whatever the fuck you want just because you're the captain. You're accountable for your actions. If you be a major pain in the ass, expect the crew to fuck you over. They didn't overthrow you because "FUGGIN COMDOM REEEEEE", you were killed for being a major faggot who was pissing off and annoying the crew. Learn to play any kind of leadership role BEFORE you play captain, this stinks of "Can captain talk on security radio?"
>>126916850
that's fine, I don't either
but it's powergaming, not metagaming
>>126916864
Actually yes you are, as long as you aren't breaking rules captains are the head of the station, they can do whatever they want. The crew may not like it but captains can do anything.
And the crew is welcome to overthrow captains too, and the captain is welcome to fight being overthrown as he is the head honcho.
The issue is that the part where the captain can defend his rights is in dispute
>>126917014
>being a shithead so people try to kill you, and then killing them for trying to kill you
Son, where I'm from, that's banbaiting
>>126917014
>Captain I'm going to reset the shitty laws you uploaded
>TIME TO WELDERBOMB EVERYONE TO PROVE MY RIGHT TO BE THE HEAD OF THE STATION
>As a non antagonist captain during an extended round, uploaded numerous laws to the AI along the lines of "4. Honkies must be oppressed, black men are true masterrace - make sure that is known by the crew whenever there is doubt senpai.", and when these laws were reset and the captain ''imprisoned'' (welded into a room), thought the best way to resolve the situation was to welderbomb all the people resetting the AI
2hotdogs
chiot
>>126917067
Not really.
There are handcuffs in this game, and peaceful means, breaking into AI and uploading new laws and then shooting the captain reeks of traitor to me.
>>126917147
I was dying, they were suspected traitors, it was all I could do other than just die or end up welderlocked.
>>126917219
I doubt it, considering Apeh is an ex-host of /v/station.
>>126917225
Blowing people up is not pacifying them nonlethaly
>>126917315
Did you miss the part where I was dying and out of ammo?
The guys had guns and shields, I had one roung and was dying and tried to escape but was welded in.
Best I could do is die, wait for them to stun me again and perhaps be a traitor after all or use my last round to take us all out away from anywhere major - knowing full well we can all be cloned.
>bans for welderbombing
It takes only 3 sheets of metal to fix 4 breached turfs, and you can do it in five seconds. I mean it's still bad, and people who do it for the lulz / because somebody stole their hat should be banned - but come the fuck on, the captain's life was in danger, he was mortally wounded and surrounded by two heavily armed traitors
>>126917147
Aren't you a special one
>>126917404
>I was out of ammo
>I had one round left
Contradicting yourself.
Which laws did they upload that were causing enough trouble to warrant being bombed? Remember, this is all the chickens coming home to roost, since no one would be trying to change the laws if you hadn't first.
>>126917497
>>>EXTENDED
>>126917548
Yes, 1 round left of an energy gun
What you want me to tase one and let the other kill me? What would that have done?
I had no cuffs so tasing would have been ridiculous.
They were suspected of potentially law 0ing the AI as people were yelling on chat and were armed - adding two and two together results in the only option to kill us all in a swift sheet and then find out if they were traitors upon cloning, better than wasting my last round to tase, die and then have them run free
>>126917548
Now you're just grasping at straws buddy :)
>>126917661
What about calling for backup? What about investigating and confirming wether or not the AI actually was subverted before you blew two people up? There are a million alternatives to blowing people up
>>126917730
Nice smiley meme
![tumblr_inline_nl9vhgvxdY1rlkf3f[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/WT67Znj.png "tumblr_inline_nl9vhgvxdY1rlkf3f[1].png")
>>126917757
I know this is a bait but I'll bite
I'd love to see you try to investigate and confirm whether or not the AI's subverted while being welded in a locker and surrounded by two armed dudes
>>126917757
Because I was being attacked then and there, you want me to stand still and yell for backup all of a sudden?
No sec was on except for one warden, it was just me with access and the two had broken the doors to sci/sil so no one could arrive there, then AI had also bolted us in the room (or they had welded it shut - wasn't too sure)
I was under attack, ended up nearly dying in server room, limped out half blind and before I could be shot down again I used the last round to blow us up
How can you say that wasn't the best solution in the scenario when I was dying, there was two armed people who just broke into AI and uploaded laws and I was welded in?
You are pushing the realms of plausible action here
>>126916396
>poor scenario handling by Dr.Celt
>says the guy who welderbombed
>>126915237
Nobody has any power or control over a round. That's just how the game is. The most you have as a captain or any lesser head of staff is influence. You can suggest that people do things, and step in when they decide not to do them. You can't hold a gun to their heads and make the proverbial horses drink the proverbial water. That's how you get Gaddafi'd in a main hallway.
I would think that someone who has played and even hosted for a number of years would have more sense than trying to pull that kind of silly gimmicky shit and expect the crew to just play along. People might play the game to mess with people but nobody plays to get fucked with. You needlessly impeded what could have been a passable round for le funnies at everyone else's expense and think you're in the right just because you clicked captain instead of clown. The job ban is well deserved and I hope you fuck off to some other shithole server.
>>126917225
>>126917927
>>126917896
>>126917757
>>126917548
Post ckeys so we can be metafriends
>>126916396
desu senpai you should know better than this, Apeh. If you're gonna be a shit Captain, except to get treated like shit.
>>126918000
Senaat1
>>126917887
>>126917896
You have all access. Go to medbay, get patched up, rearm, appoint some sec (who the fuck tries to do a retarded law gimmick as captain with no security to help them), and check the AI.
>>126918000
DrCelt
>>126918000
DeadPoolJ
>>126918064
>Go to medbay
The doors were welded/bolted. The first thing I did was try to run out to heal myself but I couldn't. So I turned and used my last round before I could be shot.
>>126917982
Never said people won't rebel.
Doesn't justify the ban for defending my captainship when I had no other options.
>>126918148
But how in the everloving mother of fuck could you go to medbay, see that it's closed, and then 180 quickscope a weldertank.
Sounds like you're making this up as you go along tbqh family
>>126918218
The door out of AI was bolted numbnuts not medbay. I only limped 3 steps
i realised that and they were closer to the AI, they came back towards me (one was armed) - I presume they thought my gun was empty too - then I pulled my gun out which had one round left and shot the weldertank presuming them to be traitors and myself having no way to escape.
>>126918218
>I go back through and attempt to escape but the AI bolts me in
Can't read, famposter? I'm not surprised haha
>>126918217
Should have just surrendered with dignity or killed yourself at that point. The damage was done and you lost.
>be a captain
>upload bitchy laws
>act like a bitch whole round
>be surprised when people try to overthrow you
>as a final bitch act welderbomb
pottery
>>126918350
And sure I mentioned that - but as I said I suspected they may be traitors since they had broke into AI, fucked up the whole microstation doors (taxi map) and were armed and people were saying that AI had been law 0d
Now I could have just gave up and died but then what if they were traitors? They could kill more people.
I figured best to take them all with me with a bang, the place was easily repairable and not station necessary and we could be cloned then check afterwards.
>>126918282
Your story is getting more spaggetti the more you post. Take a minute to stop and collect yourself before you post again.
>>126918319
The AI had bolted him in, but the he was still able to get a line of sight on his two attackers?
>>126918460
>I'll kill them to remove the maybe traitors
>But if theyre fine we'll just clone lmao
That's like killing someone as sec because they did some traitory stuff, getting bwoinked, and then cloning them because they weren't.
Remember, killing antags before you KNOW they are antags is still nonantag killing.
>>126918471
The story is straightfoward as fuck, I've argued past every post and each statement I've shown exactly why I couldn't have acted differently
Line of sight on what? One attacker had a shield. I had two guns - we were passing shots and I just got tased first in the gun fight and one of my guns got stolen - my other energy gun had one round left.
>>126918554
So people breaking into AI, changing laws whilst being armed, assaulting the captain, locking the captain in a locker, then bolting the doors to the room isn't antagonist like?
I'm starting to think that I was in quite right to act how I did in that scenario and I'm just getting banned for forming an amusing rebellion from some laws that DrCelt is grudging on.
>>126918651
>upload shit laws, expect rebellion
>people rebel
>nonantag bomb them
>get banned
>FUGGGIN ADMINS GRUDGING ME REEEEE
Fantastic logic, my man. Now I see why /v/station is still around today.
>>126918651
>I'm starting to think that I was in quite right to act how I did in that scenario and I'm just getting banned for forming an amusing rebellion from some laws that DrCelt is grudging on.
You always thought this, though. Look at your fucking appeal.
You act as if anyone liked your le hilarious black man laws.
>>126918764
You're implying that uploading shit rules isn't allowed in someway, or that in doing so you are now allowing random staff members to do very traitorous things
>>126918460
>what if they were traitors?
That's literally what they were asking in regard to you.
>>126918764
Are these your posts too? I think you forgot your pills my man
>>126918445
>>126917147
>>126918853
So you're saying they are allowed to run around with guns primes, break into the AI and basically kill the captain but any retaliation to them isn't allowed?
Hell I did nothing compared to what they did - all I did was a last resort to ensure that as assumed traitors they wouldn't get away so easily
>>126918850
No, I'm implying that blowing people up after they change your shit laws will get you banned.
lrn2read
>>126918918
literally all me
>>126918918
all me
>>126918918
every single one was me
>>126918971
Ignoring the fact that the people in question committed very traitorous actions and there was no possible way to escape them other than simply dying and letting them loose... Then sure
Why don't we just remove welders being bombable if this is how we react when people blow them, seriously - if we can't blow them on people acting super-traitor like and people get banned for merely sneezing next to them whilst allowing people to be welded in lockers and rooms then maybe we should just remove them
>>126919076
>welderlockering someone is as destructive as nonantag welderbombing
I can't tell if you're being retarded on purpose
>>126919230
Welder locking is worse for a player.
You can repair welder bombs, and the welder blew up in a very non-vital area damaging only the room next to AI. And it only harmed the two armed suspected traitors.
Welder locking someone in a welded shut door means they are stuck out of the game.
>>126919230
Welderbombs can be fixed with 3 sheets of metal in less than 10 seconds tho
>>126919313
it only takes 2 mins to open it
>>126919313
>type resist
bam problem solved
>>126919313
>what is pressing resist
>what is getting someone to come let you out
>>126919335
The room gets exposed to space, people get hurt (or die), atmos takes time to return, pipes/cables broken, important shit might get broken
>>126919313
>nonantag bombing is okay as long as it's non-vital
time to bomb the bar everyshift
>>126919359
>>126919346
Implying you can resist being welded in a room with two gun totering people who just hacked AI
>>126919482
Lewd
>>126919482
>allowing yourself to be welded into a locker
wow nice
>>126919471
>>126919520
You're a fucking retard
>>126919482
;Someone come help me at [room], the door is welded and there's people here with guns
WOW SO HARD
It is interesting how it is being ignored that being stuck in a room with two people with guns who just used stunlocks to weld you in a locker and with a suspected subverted AI is apparently absolutely fine and isn't worthy of suspected traitoring.
>>126919568
Love to see you stop and type that out in a small place with tases flying around
>>126919565
What about my post was retarded, Jack? Please elaborate rather than resorting to ad hominem.
>>126919643
But apeh, you said you were locked in a welder.
Tasers cant hurt you in a locker, friendo.
>>126919729
You can have a cookie then, I simply did not think to type whilst in a locker as I was prepping an adhelp but after checking admins online it said no so I just waited
>>126919643
The interesting part is that you somehow seems to think you weren't acting suspiciously at all.
>>126919649
There isn't a point because you'll just go back to
>be a captain
>upload bitchy laws
>act like a bitch whole round
>be surprised when people try to overthrow you
>as a final bitch act welderbomb and kill two innocent dindu non-antags
>>126919812
>trying to save an AI asking for help is suspicious
u wot, how in heavens
>>126919807
>>126919729
To note too I will add that the doors to AI were welded and access to the station was fucked up too - so again I figured that yelling for help wouldn't be much help and was
>>126919807
>admins help, these two guys welderlockered me for fucking with the AI ban they
>>126919816
Come on Jack, you can't just call someone a retard and not have a reason WHY they're a retard.
>>126919816
>be a retarded captain
>expect not to get ousted
i havent played for months and i still want to say fuck you dont play captain
>>126919902
>Admits mistake about not calling for help
>ACTUALLY WAIT NO THERE WAS NO POINT SEE I WAS ALLOWED TO BLOW THOSE PEOPLE UP
>>126919914
>implying fucking with AI is anything to note
Captains can fuck with AI, they are captain - this implies on /vg/ you aren't allowed to change AIs laws as captain - is that what you are saying?
>>126919920
I've played for years longer than the majority here
>>126919816
>>126919920
See? :)
>be lizard
>
>>126920001
>suspect they are traitors
>they commit traitorous acts
>commit multiple crimes which allows execution according to space law
>execute them with my last dying movements the only way I know how
>"lets pretend they weren't acting like antags because you are allowed to commit any crime but welderbombing, even in dire scenarios"
>>126920005
>years longer than the majority here
>still a little bitch
step it up son
>>126920130
Just pointing out that Dr Celt was wrong to ban in such a scenario and he acted in haste because he grudged the laws I uploaded.
The fact we've been back and forth asking about why i didn't do x and I've said clearly why multiple times suggest there wasn't even a proper reason for the ban as my only alternative was to simply just die and do nothing against suspected traitors
>>126920204
consider that you were also a suspected traitor
>>126920005
Jesus apeh, your reading comprehension is balls.
I am saying, for the 4th time now, that if you upload shitty laws to the AI, do not be suprised when people try and stop you from fucking with it.
Also,
>>implying fucking with the AI is anything to note
Um, yes, fucking with the AI IS something to take note of
Do you think it's not?
>>126920112
Welderbombing is not an execution
Space law is a guideline, not a concrete ruleset
They were changing the AI's laws, supposedly subverted them, although you haven't provide any evidence that they did. Keep in mind that people yelling over the radio is NOT proof. If it was, the AI would be getting carded every round because it didn't open a door right away.
>>126920204
>admins grudging me
Why is it that every shitter who gets banned and has the thread shit on them (Sarca, doublesausage, Leon, etc) always fall back on
>ITS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST ME
Non-antag welderbombing of non-antags is a ban. End of discussion.
>>126920327
How? Tell me one thing I did which suspected me of that.
I came to defend the AI and tased one which had an AI chip. That was it.
>>126920358
> although you haven't provide any evidence that they did. Keep in mind that people yelling over the radio is NOT proof
What a joke of an excuse here - if anyone breaks into AI they are liable to be instantly arrested - and I went to do that but they brought out GUNS and began firing shots. That is enough to think "yeah these people aren't just here for some fun laws" - and then welder-locked me. That is enough to suspect strongly they were there maliciously.
And yes, from the posts in this thread iit is pretty evident Celt rushed to ban because he didn't like the laws - he even slapped them on the ban reason.
>>126920525
You uploaded a stupid law
if people removing said stupid law are traitors, then so are you
>>126920501
But they were suspected traitors, you can't prove anyone is a traitor. And people act like shitters to appear like traitors.
What a ridiculous reasoning for a post.
>>126920552Captains are allowed to upload any law they want, they have access - these people did not.
>>126920610
The crew is allowed to mutiny when the captain is stupid
>>126920610
The HoP & CE didn't have access to upload laws?
>>126920501
>muh non-antag captain who literally welderbombed two dindu non-antags
Wow retard
>>126920610
>Captain is allowed to upload any law they want.
The captain is also allowed to get lynched if he does so. It's called being valid.
>>126920525
Holy shit Apeh is English not your first language? Did you have any tangible proof that the AI was subverted, aside from people yelling over the radio?
With regards to >>126920327,
I'm pretty sure they ment when you uploaded the laws, people might have thought YOU were a traitor, not when you got welderlockered.
One last thing, how in the fuck could someone "grudge a lawset"? You were banned for nonantag welder bomb as a captain, you scrote.
>>126919816
>get welded in locker
shitter
>>126920501
But Senaat, they welderlockered him! AND they changed his le funny pol meme lawset! That's clearly justification to blow them up as a nonantag!
>>126920631
Sure, but when they break into AI armed while people are shouting abut a law 0 is cause for concern of traitoring going down
>>126920696
Since when was a captain changing rules a valid salad target - you might as well not have a captain if thats how /vg/ is deciding to treat it
>>126920697
>Did you have any tangible proof that the AI was subverted
The fact these people came armed was enough to suspect there was more to it.
>people might have thought YOU were a traitor
Seriously thats a weak argument, considering all the laws were clearly light hearted and didn't do anything - you're really stretching there
>>126920858
is seems you're playing captain, but you wanted to play clown
>people falling for the fake senaat meme
>>126920916
I guess when an admin does a fun event then they are wanting to play admin but actually playing clown?
What kind of point is that?
A captain has access to the laws with the purpose to create interesting laws - the point of a captain is he quite literally rules the station, if he says something it stands unless he gets taken out or vast mutiny happens. In the scenario above it was two people breaking in to AI with guns - enough for execution - AND suspected to be subverting as an added bonus
>>126920858
But Apeh, if the laws were lighthearted and dindunuffin, why were there roaming lynch squads, like you said in your appeal?
You said multiple times that you had guns, do you think people are going to try and change the AI and not bring their own? Were you expecting to walk in and find them unarmed? Because if you were, that's seriously niave on your part.
>>126920858
>lighthearted
You mean "proof that you were an incompetent shithead who had no right to be Captain". Law changes are serious fucking business, and using them to enforce an awful gimmick is grounds for demotion at the very least.
And people shout about law 0 every time the AI doesn't instantly open a door for them, you're as gullible as you are unfunny. If anything, I'd say Celt was being too fucking nice.
>>126921039
Unlawful Modification of Silicon Laws is only a 10 minute brigging, not grounds for execution
>>126921039
>A captain has access to the laws with the purpose to create interesting laws.
No, no, NO!
The laws are there to help the crew and nothing else. They aren't toys for your amusement and never will be, nor is the Captain all-powerful as you assume him to be. You have an obligation to serve the station and CentComm- you refused to do so in favor of a /pol/-tier gimmick and paid the price for stupidity.
>>126921039
>I should be allowed to dictate the fun as captain
The captain exists to manage the heads, who manage the departments, as well as protect the high value items in his office.
Captain is NOT an all access pass to giggle-n-griff, as much as you may think it is.
You keep saying that you were fully expected mutiny. If so, why did you do the gimmick? So people would try and overthrow you, and you could attack them back? Like I said before, that reeks of banbaiting. When the crew did try and fix the AI, you were outdone, the AI was changed and you threw a hissy fit, nonantag bombing the process.
>>126921064
>"roaming lynch squads"
Just two people
Good amount were acting it out, and a good amount were lightly rebelling, two grudgemeisters went full geared up powergame mode which appeared very much to be traitoring it up instead from their actions.
>>126921068
>awful gimmick is grounds for demotion at the very least.
I'll take pulling things out my ass for 100 Jim
You can't just "demote" a captain, just mutiny against him and strip his rank since a captain rules the station - a captain can create any laws he fancies and the station abides by them unless the captain gets replaced either by rebellion or not.
>>126921215
They did that on top of assaulting a head, grand trespass, grand theft, welding doors, preventing access to a whole sub-station and treason.
Are AI law changes logged? Can we see what his laws were, and the "law 0"s that the two other people uploaded?
>>126921064
>if the laws were lighthearted and dindunuffin, why were there roaming lynch squads
His laws mentioned black/white races, and if you can't see how that could trigger some players then you must be an imbecile
>>126921328
None of those are grounds for execution
Abuse of Power and Grand Sabotage, which a Captain giving the AI a law to oppress the crew fall under, are worthy of a demotion and execution, respectively.
>>126921328
>a captain rules the station - a captain can create any laws he fancies and the station abides by them unless the captain gets replaced either by rebellion or not.
No, he does NOT. You went mad with power and I pray you never come near a position of command again.
>>126921439
So wait is space law a guideline or a concrete ruleset?
>>126921249
>>126921245
I wasn't aware /vg/ became bay now. I have played for something along the lines of 6-7 years and have hosted numerous servers, the captains point is there to rule the station - yes he is obliged to follow nanotrasen to a degree but he can also rebel if he so risks.
How fucking bay have we become to say a captain HAS TO act like a very generic stand in and is not allowed to use any of the things created in the game for the sole purpose of making rounds different.
>So people would try and overthrow you, and you could attack them back? Like I said before, that reeks of banbaiting.
To see how people would react - and to see what a new captain would do - I wouldn't have cared if I got tased and turned into a permabrigged nobody - the scenario was set to see how the other crew handles each other. Things changed when people arrived with guns and suspicions of subverting AI
>>126921512
>Suspicion of subverting the AI
no
>>126919902
It's not about helping an AI, it's about you uploading some asinine law for no real reason. If you upload terrible, terrible laws all you're doing is proving you're either a terrible, terrible Captain or an antag.
>guy gets cucked out of his hosting gig by the thread
>takes it out on us years later by being a powertripping autist
>>126921595
We really have become bay mk2 haven't we
>>126921678
No, we've become NoX mk2 apparently.
>>126921678
>WHY CAN'T I UPLOAD A DUMB LAW WITHOUT RESISTANCE FUCKING BAYBIES
I vote to increase the length of ban
>>126921778
He expected resistence though, hes upset because the admins have changed space law and head role meaning
>shit I'm getting my ass handled in an argument should I do
>I know I should insult that retarded faggot by calling him a cuck and an autist, and post a meme frog! That'll show him!
>>126921328
There's that word again
>grudge
Come the fuck on, Apeh. I'm starting to think you're actually 2hotdogs. You weren't grudged, two players had enough of your shit and tried to put an end to it. Like so many people have tried to tell you, captaincy is not a free ride to do whatever you want, and have every player in the game bend to your will. If you would be kind enough to actually read my post, I explained to you that the captain manages the heads and protects the disk + spare + laser gun.
>>126921510
Guideline, although it's a pretty well followed guideline. People tend to be a bit flexible with times, i.e, sending some greyshit who just keeps being a turd in for 30 minutes, rather than spacelaw's 12.
>>126921512
Ask any admin. In fact, ask any decent player. The captain does not rule the station with an iron fist. He delegates. Sure he can run gimmicks, but running gimmicks that people do not like wil get a target painted on your back. Go play a God game if unending power is all you want.
>I was okay with getting taken out of the round
>Except I wasnt and had to blow people up
You are so narrowminded and stubborn that it's not even entertaining to see you shit up the thread. Sarca is insane and he knows it, his TG posting is atleast interesting, reading their changelog.
2hotdogs knows he's a fucking turd, and embraces it. His shitposting can even be funny.
But you are just an annoyance. The word count won't let me continue.
TL;DR, you're retarded
>>126921826
>he expected resistance
>just not armed resistance, or any worthwhile resistance
If I'm understanding the scenario, it was the CE and HoP who came to change the laws. Seems head meaning is being defended here.
>>126921848
Looks like you really have forgotten the point of a captain, rest in peace sweetly /vg/
And may you have many fun filled rounds of doing the same chore and borderline powergaming things as DrCelt believes captains should do.
>>126922045
>a captain means I can do what I want no matter what
eat shit and die
>>126922118
Your pills buddy
>>126922178
nice argument
>>126921949
Holy fuck people, the point of heads and the captain are not difficult to understand
>WHAT HEADS AND THE CAPTAIN DO
>Ensure their subordinates are working well
>Help their subordinates by ordering crates/opening doors they do not have access to
>Teaching new players to their department how to work there
>Delegate tasks properly
>Communicate with their subordinates and other heads
>WHAT HEADS AND CAPTAINS DO NOT DO
>Play [head/captain]curity
>Use their access as a license to griff
>Act as the supreme leader of all space
>Believe they are above the law
>Reign over other head's departments (assuming that their is no head for that department on station, in which case heads may sometimes help out in other departments)
>In general, be a hinderance to teh crew
>>126922045
Please, tell us what you think a captain should be. In detail, objectively, without resorting to memes or ad hominem.
Suggesting that we do not know how captain works, without giving us an insight to your idea of what a captain is achieves nothing.
>>126922234
Better than "eat shit and die"
>>126922268
I think you should define it as what they should and shouldn't do.
Otherwise that's the complete opposite of what happens on station and what they actually do.
>>126922357
It's not my fault if you can't separate the insult from the argument before it
>>126922268
He already did: in his mind it's a cross between all-access assistant, being SUPREME KING OF TEH STATION, and a license to force shitty gimmicks that fail even at making the round fun.
