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Der Kommissar fucks you again edition
Previuos Thread >>125632873

>Extremely In-Depth Guide on the Mechanics of PAYDAY 2
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=267214370

>Skill/Weapon Stat Calculator:
http://www.pd2skills.com/

>Skilltree Guide (slightly out of date):
http://i.imgur.com/nUXjB3J.png (embed)

>Perk Deck Guide:
http://i.imgur.com/E6x18Bt.png (embed)

>Stat Ranking and Breakpoints (slightly out of date):
http://i.imgur.com/TY14uav.png (embed)

>Weapon/Armor/Damage/Pickup Spreadsheets (not up to date):
http://pastebin.com/dSyuTzdt (embed)

>Big Oil Engine Calculator:
http://payday2skills.ru/bigoil.html

>PAYDAY Wiki:
http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/PAYDAY_2

>Latest Updates Here:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620

>Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/itfeelslikesomethingsintheair

>Mods and Lua:
http://pastebin.com/E3m0uKKn (embed)

>Daily Dose
http://fewes.se/pd2g/
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Everyone is a shitter
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If you aren't using rogue with 75 detect you are doing it fucking wrong faggot

If you done the We Do It Live achievement on loud you are a fat coward
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>>126125407
>Achievement about doing it live
>Doing it live means you're a coward
???
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Still waiting on the erection day pic with that slimy ballbag mckendrick
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>>126125628
F A T
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>>126125407
>>126125907
Only shitters like you got the achievement AFTER they made it easier to casuls like you
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>>126124984
SHIEET i fucked up the daily dose http://fuldans.se/?v=bawawkvbhb
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>>126125986
If you done it on Overkill you are an even fatter coward
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That feel when overkill add never ever more colors and you never got red&black
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>>126128568
But there is Black with Red, normal color

Use Goonmod you dumbass
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>126123097
The real question is, why did Overkill make the saw such a shit weapon?
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>>126130905
Skill based
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>>126128868
It marks you as cheater smart one because it's preorder DLC.
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>>126132071
Nope
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>>126132462
Lootbag DLC which is preorder you mong. Tried and tested myself. Cheater.
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>>126132550
>Red/Black
Its Black/Red you fucking mongoloid
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>>126132638
There is no black/red, There is black/coral red, which isn't red it's pink garbage.
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>>126132728
Thats your problem fuckboi, its the one that you can use
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If you could pay $100 to get every dlc released for the rest of the game's lifespan, would you do pay it?
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>>126132817
Noone uses that color combination. It's trash.
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>>126132838
No because knowing overkill it'd be only 6 more months of DLC after they let that deal happen. Maybe one or two BIG packs of DLC and a few small shitty ones. Then nothing ever again.
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>>126132838
The GOTY packages will never make that idea worthwhile.

And even if you offer past DLCs with it, the pre-order and COP DLCs are not worth $100.
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>>126132838
>$100 season pass

no fucking thank you
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How good is the Bodhi perk deck?
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>>126137513
Fun.

Shit, but fun.
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>>126137513

Literally a poor man's Grinder.
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>>126137513
Shit. you need to get your shit wreck to recover health
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>>126137513
It sucks. Only situationally usable on DW.

And despite what people think, it doesn't make BVs any more viable. Still Suit and ICTV only.
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so why they decided to make bodhi sound like such a whiny cunt?
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>>126143616

He doesn't sound so much whiny as bored off his ass.

My life for exciting VAs that scream at everybody like Wolf and Clover.
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>>126143616
WOLF WHEN
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>>126143616
thank forklift wolf
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>>126145641
Why I love Jiro.
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I'm convinced that the only method of making AP Slugs viable is to go into Ghost tree for the Accuracy bonus of Professional because the spread is so fucking bad.
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>>126147008
>Using AP slugs
We acting dumb?
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>>126145641
>>126146118
This. For an old, sullen former-yakuza guy mourning his dead wife and looking for his son, he's sure as hell excited about everything and very snarky.
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>>126147192
I'm bored and want to do something enormously stupid.
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Hello heisters!

Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- I Will Take With Impunity (kosugi_3)
- The Butcher Needs You! (butcher_4_jobs)

Now I guess I know which one kosugi_4 from 125988167 is supposed to be.
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>>126147696
how are you supposed to do the butcher needs you without owning the dlc?
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>>126147874
Ask around? Join somebody else's lobby?
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>>126147696
I expect them to add a new monthly job every 2 weeks, it would make thing easier and more fresh

>>126147874
You don't
You go multiplayer
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Don't die.
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>>126145641
>liking Clover
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>>126153842
HEY YOU
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>tfw no automatic guns
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>>126155217
We have SMGs and ARs and LMGs and a minigun and even shitty turrets. What are you talking about?
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>Get down by cloaker
>Other guy is in the other corner of the map
>Atleast the fucking bot is helping me up
>GUY IS JOINING
>GUY THAT JOINED REPLACED THE BOT THAT WAS HELPING ME UP
>APPEARS OVER THE OTHER GUY IN THE OTHER FUCKING CORNED
>Under arrest
Thanks OVK
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48th for Rats Lab and Bomb:Forest being the most hipster jobs of the game.
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>>126155217
Stryk 18c is automatic
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>>126125717
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>>126130905
>why did Overkill make the saw such a shit weapon?

Back in 2014, the devs really had an hard-on at the idea of making the saw more viable against cops and special units but since they finally realized that nobody would never waste any blades on the ennemies and use the damage bonus for other purposes such as opening deposit safes and ATM in one-tap, they nerfed it to the ground so nobody could "abuse" the system for their own interest.

It's either that or they're just clueless about the meta of the game and nerfed it for no reasons.
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>>126158805
>It's either that or they're just clueless about the meta of the game and nerfed it for no reasons.
Both.

The devs have a feedback thread on the last open beta (during the beta) and other balance issues. They basically throw out random numbers and don't know why people think the numbers are stupid or good.

Also they balance and play the game on OVK. They never do well on loud DW streams and all their gameplay footage shows them bodyshotting cops on OVK. Most guns are shit or similar to each other because it's good enough on OVK.
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>tfw someone just got a Sputnik drill
FUCK YOU OVERKILL
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INFAMY 3.0 WHEN?
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What mask does everyone wear?

Dallas is my first pick, so I usually wear The Champ.
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>joining a hacker's game and having it end before I can leave
Fuck sake, I at least want my XXV to be semi-legitimate, but it's almost impossible. Guess it's my fault for joining deathwish cook off, huh?

Also makes infamy just that little bit more garbage and unintuitive. Spend all this time going back from 0 to 90, just to immediately hit 100 and have to do it all over again.
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>>126159779
>tfw you ask Almir on twitter this question in a polite manner
>tfw he somehow deleted your tweet
Feels bad man
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>>126159960
Heat.

Looks good on every character.
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>>126160254
>>126159960
Hockey Heat is by far the best 'standard' mask. One of the very few that can effectively use textures and colours without looking like complete trash.

Otherwise Heister Sentry from infamy.
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>>126160235
Unless they change how infamy works, do you seriously want it to be the same shit for 25-75 more infamy levels? I don't know if I can take it.
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>>126160457
I meant the shades.
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>>126160157
The game explicitly asks you if you want to cancel a hacker lobby's ill-gotten gains. Why didn't it pop up?


I wonder how long it'll take to burn $300 mil on the slot machines. There are plenty of options for burning cash fast. Offshore money can probably be burned during an offshore payday. Just remember to burn $1.2 bil.
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>>126159779
>wanting a 3.0 when 2.0 was absolute shit that trashed the old infamy system and roman numerals and OVK hasn't even started the 2.5 fix to make it less shit
Nope.
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>>126160706
>Why didn't it pop up?
Not sure, but for the few seconds I was in there I didn't see a red cheater label above the host either.

Hopefully by the end of Payday 2's life it'll have a permanent offshore payday and some stupidly expensive safe house upgrade system.
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>>126160775
Roman numerals are back, and the old infamy system only had the 4 bases that are still here before "Infamy" was an actual thing
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>Restarting Slaughterhouse over and over trying to get it drop grill first.
>Realize that I actually have to shoot the truck to do that 10+ restarts in.
Payday pro here ask me anything
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>>126161217
>post-Payday 1 babbies
OUT OF MY FRANCHISE REEEEE
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>>126160882
Cheater tag only cares about four things:
- Using too many deployables (triggerable by desync)
- Taking too many deployables (triggerable by desync)
- "Invalid" heist (bad goy)
- "Invalid" gun (bad goy)
- "Invalid" gun mods (bad goy)
- "Invalid" masks (bad goy)
- "Invalid" mask parts (bad goy)

All the shit you can cheat like extra skill points, map-wide insta-kills, bag spawning, etc. is not marked by the CHEATER tag because it also conflicts with OVK trying to be friendly to modders (their vision of the game is basically like how KF1 was modder central for mp). That and OVK doesn't actually know how to do it and doesn't want to spend money to try. Nobody will buy an anti-cheat DLC anyway even if it's free.

Don't rely on it to catch actual cheaters.

>>126160775
>Roman numerals are back
Doesn't make the fact that it happened go away.

>the old infamy system only had the 4 bases that are still here
I'm talking about the actual old system with 3 tiers + joker, not that we lost whatever little we got.

>"Fuck it, just give them some masks for 20 extra infamies. That's what they want, right?"
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>>126161217
You dumbass, you need to shoot at the fucking window of the truck at the start
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>>126161403
Extra skill points can actually tag you because of PD2 Stats
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>>126161558
So if you cheat your 600 skill points, you'd get the red CHEATER label on join?

I thought pd2stats and FBI Files only worked if your profile was public (and that pd2stats died).
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>>126159960
Kawaii mask or Tony with the sunset material.
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>>126162436
Fucking gay
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>>126160583
>wearing the PD2 gibus
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>>126159453
>tfw got two drills since the beginning of crimefest, one being a bodhi drill sold for 4$.

Daily reminder you're a shitter if you can't pay your next 4.99 dlc with the drills and safes you got in-game.
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>>126160775
I just want some kind of progression past 25, i need a reason to grind
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>>126162538
>implying

It's a fucking classic, anon.
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>>126162558
>Not a single drill drop ever
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>>126162573
Safehouse vault needs like $800 mil to fill up. Could work on that.
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>>126162737
There isn't much reward in that though.
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I thought reaching 25-100 would be the end for me. But I'm still playing this shit.

What is life and why am I still going.
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>>126162573
>trying to get random records like 16 millions of loot on Hotline miami DW or 20 millions on Rats DW,
>opening the vault on FF day 3 than finishing this day loud with all the gold secured,

Just improvise a challenge for yourself or go help the shitters struggling on their 4 stores/bank heist jobs.
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>>126147008
>>126147640
If you want a single piercing projectile that badly, use a sniper rifle.
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>>126162632
I know, looks awful on Jacket though.
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>>126162960
>all this implying in pic
We always had the CAR-4.
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Daily reminder the safehouse customization is coming for 2016 and will bring an Ikea heist where you'll have to choose the best bed for your safehouse.
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>>126162960
>that image
So fucking glad Overkill removed rat rushing and 30 second ukranian jobs. The game was ruined for a good two months.
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>>126163463
30 second ukrainian jobs are still a thing
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>>126163484
Well no shit, it's their for an achievement. But at least now it's not the shitty meta way of leveling.
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Beretta 93R when ? Seems Overkill didn't tried to cash-in yet in a burst-fire feature for the game.
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>>126163782
This.

Game seriously needs more auto pistols.
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>>126132838
>Customers now go around and invent new ways for the developers to fuck them up the ass.

Nice one Overkill, the indoctrination is finally complete.
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POST FACTS

If you don't eat letters typing in game you are a fucking shitter
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>>126161703
thats correct. Fbi files does not work on private profiles. But Lobby player info mod can see how many points they have invested in each tree. So if a mod can see that, then why cant ovk implement it already? Just set it to if they have over 120 skill points activated then they get kicked.
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>>126165820
>POST FACTS

Aftershock is a better map than Hoxton's breakout for farming money and xp.
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So guis and gals, haven't played Payday in quite a while (last time was during the march XP period)

Since grinding is such a fucking bitch, any way to get the same feeling of big experience back that was during that period?

It actually made the game 10x more fun than usual. Basically, I am asking for a good method to get XP fast from the start.
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>>126168331
XP has been boosted on pretty much all heists. You also get your experience after each day of multi day heists. Rats/Cookoff is still good and Aftershock is really quick, good xp and good for beginners also. Diamond store is good on DW if you just went infamous. Other than that I haven't kept track of it since you stop caring about money and xp after infamy V
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>>126159960
Richard Returns.
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>>126168331
>I am asking for a good method to get XP fast from the start.

Jewelry store on DW is the easiest way to get 30 levels when you're starting at level 0. After, just pick for a while heists that doesn't involve specific skills, c4 or saw like FWB, Aftershock, Slaughter to get good rewards.
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>paying for literal shit,

Never changes Overkill.
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>>126163463
Since when was UK Jobs a meta way to level? It was never a good way to level even back then.

>>126167142
>But Lobby player info mod can see how many points they have invested in each tree.
Oh right, that exists.

>So if a mod can see that, then why cant ovk implement it already?
Private profiles also mean that companies can't sniff out information or publish information about players with private profiles. e.g. dotabuff can't display stats for private profile players with stats from public profile members and/or scraping match histories. Private profile players cannot have their information displayed until they explicitly set their Steam profile to public. This is a requirement for access to the Steam API and access to user data.

I could believe that OVK has a similar legal wall they have to deal with.

> Just set it to if they have over 120 skill points activated then they get kicked.
Well you have to check if the number of skill points is less than or equal the number of skill points you're allowed at your level, and then also have to check that each tree is properly built with the relevant infamy tier reductions. That's SOOOOOOOOOOO much work that could've been spent making a high-value DLC for you heisters ;)

Also every once in a while, there's a skill tree refund bug that accidentally gives more skill points than you put in. Supposedly it's fixed but it's shown up more than once.
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http://forums.lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=13452
post must have mods
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>>126157347
if you arent the host and dont care about losing some exp you can leave the game and your body will be moved next to the other players
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Never again.
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>>126175321
DON'T
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>>126175321
What heist is that?
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>>126175737
First World Bank, I assume Overdrill.
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>>126176135
>replaying to meme post
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>>126175321
Memehud
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>>126177062
Sometimes it's hard to tell faggotry from sincerity here.
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>>126153904
GET ON YOUR FEET
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>>126161403
That's 7 things, not 4.
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>>126178431
The plot thickens
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>>126178492
DUN DUN DUNNNNN
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>>126160157
Just send OVK a message saying to roll you back to 0 and take your money away
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Steam Christmas sales today?
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>>126159779
Remove infamy 11+ or 16+, have infamy have passives instead of ebin masks
Reset everyone back down to infamy 0 level 0, masks are kept
Remove xp bonuses from infamy
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>>126160157
Download a trainer and just go back to your previous level you big fat baby.
>>126179597
>Thinking Overkill can.
Overkill can't even fix the yes/no line of script that allows people pirate all their DLC with a LUA file. Do you seriously think they know how to do player rollbacks?
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Where's the list of proposed perk deck changes?
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>>126179694
1 hour and 38 minutes
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>>126147008
I'm convinced the only way to make it relevant is to let us belly-load special rounds when we actually need them.
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>>126180385
>No option to just pack a mixed bag of random shotgun ammo and get a random ammo type when you fire.
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>>126180157
>grinder get buffed, hitman get another armor reduction, rogue user get another 5% nerf.
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>>126160706
>I wonder how long it'll take to burn $300 mil on the slot machines.
Payday wikia says it costs nothing to gamble.
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>>126159960
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Thread has gone into custody.
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>Steam store is so loaded I can't even access my wishlist.
But how am I supposed to buy anything but Payday 2 DLC?
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>>126188580
Bain is negotiating
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Are the yakuza, alesso, golden grin, or alesso DLCs any good? Do they change the current meta, assuming I have every other DLC?
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>>126190030
I saw one of these that said Sokol is trans man of the day
would fuck cuntboy sokol though
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>Steam winter sale has started
>Point Break heists are $6.29
Shame on me for thinking it'd be lower.
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>LITTLE BITCH SHIELD
>FUCK YOU NINJA COP
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>>126192104
>keeping hearing it as "FUCK YOU NIGGER COP"
4chan has ruined me for real life
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>>126190030
yakuza gives you the katana and the uzi that gets a lot of concealment bonus golden grin the buzzer and alsso a short loud heist if you dont act dumb
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>>126190030
>>126191496
>Considering buying anything Overkill
Good goys.
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>>126193387
>being a jew
>being poor

lmao @ u tbqh
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>>126190030
Yakuza gives you a bullshit melee katana that you can basically spam at almost the nova's shank's speed. Doesn't make melee builds viable though.

Also Jiro is very meme-y.
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>>126193684
I'll pass on them, then.
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>>126190030
>doesn't make melee builds viable,
>he doesn't use it with pumping iron aced and infiltrator,

I bet you use armorer,
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>https://soundcloud.com/officer-black/the-12-days-of-dick
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>>126195931
Grinder with a suit, and I equip the kunai, but rarely use it.
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>>126196951
"Melee build" usually implies a mostly melee-only heisting build usually with an appropriate perk deck like Infiltrator or I dunno what the other one is, Sociopath?

Slapping a cop once a heist while shooting around in Grinder doesn't count as melee.
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>>126196123
I made a Soundcloud account just to favorite this.
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>>126197119
sociopath is pretty fun with a katana
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> tfw can't get ammo total boost on the GL40 or Piglet,
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>>126198707
>Piglet
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>>126198707
>needing more ammo on the ammo GenerLator 40.
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>>126199425
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>>126158470
yeah
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>>126198707
we dont host your kind here
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Wake up.
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I miss my CAR-4.

Tried taking a 72/96 acc/stab CAR-4 to a few DW pubs, didn't work so great. Sure, most of them ended with the pubs blowing up a meth lab but it wasn't that effective of a cop killer. I don't know what changed with these dumb nerfs that makes it so unusable for me.
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>PAYDAY 2: The Point Break Heists -10% 6,29€
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hYEA
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SOMEBODY HELP I'M GETTING COLD
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>>126213482
>tfw have all the DLC except Point Break
Gotta wait for a real sale, last time that they had a sale with recent DLC they didn't even gave us 5% of discount COP was a fucking waste, glad I didnt got it
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>>126218313
By the time the real sale comes along, there's no point in buying it.
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>>126218737
I already have all the achievements even when I don't own the DLC, thanks to the hype, just missing the 2 DW ones and the Baby
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>>126218846
use dlc unlocker
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>>126158470
Thanks
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I'M NOT CRYING
IT'S JUST THE TEAR GAS
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Drop Zone > Locke and Load
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>>126224808
I accept that, too bad that Sky heist is shit
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>>126225006
It's fun for the first 5 minutes and 4 seconds.
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>10% off Point Break Heists

These fucking jews, I'm gonna keep using the DLC unlocker
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>>126225812
>Not 1 minute with 23 seconds
Remember how the heist have always alternate ways?

In the end of Slaughter house, you can set the fire of the unused end
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>>126226935
HOLY FUCK THAT LEVEL OF TRICKY
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>>126228174
wtf did you do to that poor thing
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>>126228408
I attempted to make it fit the holiday season.
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>>126228275
No shitters allowed

Go and check it by yourself fuckboi
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