> News
- Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy VII is now available as a downloadable fighter.
- Corrin from Fire Emblem Fates is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
- Bayonetta is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
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>>125739797
what level ai is the best to practice on?
hey kid
Has Falkore mastered the /ssbg/ Shun Goku Satsu yet? Has he given in to the /ssbg/ no Hadou?
Streams not even once
>>125740305
>tfw literal smash streams exist where the word "melee" in censored
>>125740525
Wow, that inferiority complex.
>>125740237
So what percentage of the people who visit these threads are shitposters?
50%? 60%?
>>125740525
muh hugbox
>Dath facing a Pikachu
I feel so bad for Dath, this matchup is so fucking bad.
>>125740724
72%more like 10-15% who are very dedicated
>You will never see a reveal trailer where it zooms in, the screen is all black, and
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-V8htEtAYI starts upReal talk, the thing that bums me personally out the most about the legions of swordsmen that got added in tr4sh is that Travis now doesn't offer anything that interesting. He has his motorcycle (which Wario already does) and wrestling moves, which would probably be relegated to grabs. Nothing else he does is that enticing for moveset potential unless you had him swap his swords out like in NMH2.
>>125740658
>inferiority
sm4sh is better than melee
They really shouldn't have called Project M "Project M," it sounds way too much like someone pathetically grasping for the olden days.
A lot of the moveset changes they made looked genuinely entertaining but I doubt most people could get past the >meleefags implications
>>125741494
Please explain yourself, because I'd LOVE to hear your terrible reasoning.
I just got the Wii U version after a trillion years, is Palutena any good yet?
![ebb7056a0534da3bede58f521aa0316c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wUfcTrW.jpg "ebb7056a0534da3bede58f521aa0316c[1].jpg")
Neat games Rex
>>125741658
No
>>125741590
Project M is Donald Trump's favorite Smash, they tried to make Smash great again.
>>125741658
Sorry, nah m8
>>125740961
>10-15%
When even everyday regulars like falkore, panchito, rakky, etc are known shitposters
I'd say more like 40% or higher.
>>125741707
Good games Dorf
>>125741852
We get an average of about 90-100 IP's a thread.
>>125741959
And around 40% contribute to the shitposting here, yes?
>Want to main ganon because he is stupidly fun.
>Know I'll be labelled as a memer and that ganon is way to slow to actually win anything.
God damnit.
>running into a shitter who uses your main completely and utterly wrong
it feels like I'm browsing deviantART or whatever.
>>125742110
Every character is viable at our level. Don't worry about tiers until you start going to tournaments where money's on the line
>>125742035
probably not
>>125742110
You'll be labeled a memer for any character anon. But you're right about never winning.
>>125742110
people will take issue with any character you pick, anon. dont worry about it and play whoever you find fun
>>125742215
>our
>>125742409
>/ssbg/ isn't a community
>>125742110
Yes yes having your own fun makes you "memer" or whatever word that people never explain
>>125742359
>>125742215
Does that even mean I can play samus and not get annihilated?
>>125742563
samus is bad, don't do it if you don't want to get bodied
>>125742110
>want to main ganon because he's stupidly fun
>main
>funchase your dreams anon
Welp, good games dubs.Also sorry Falkore, I didnt mean to kill you so many times. I swear it was the lag.
>>125742563
Against us, probably.
RIP. Good games, dubs.
>>125742110
You can win with Ganondorf here because 95% of the general is free.
>>125742110
>le kill you in 3 hits man
>fun
I guess we're done.
Good games, dubs. Thanks for playing.
>>125742760
Killing in three hits. What isn't fun about that.
>>125742714
A boy has the right to dream
>>125742750
You would know because you're part of the 95%
>>125742828
Don't bully Panchito.
>>125742750
5-1
>>125742724
>>125742750
>>125742768
GGs Doubles
I'm such a salty bitch right no /ssbg/ you don't even know
I was finally going to beat Classic on 9.0 and I died jumping to the wall right next to the stupid core thing
>>125742714
>tfw my main is fun af
>>125742563
I have. As with any character on wifi, it's all about staying safe and making good reads. If you're facing a Gym Leader, your preferred character will likely do better than some half-practiced counterpick anyway. Pick who you like, dude
>>125742965
I know how that feels, but you can do it.
>>125742965
>>125743031
I can't, I tried again but I'm so salty I died in the first match and rage quit. I'm gonna try again tomorrow or after I calm down
>>125743019
ZSS isn't fun at all.
>>125743132
Good luck next time, anon.
>>125743169
i like pressing buttons
I like making sure my opponent can't press any buttons
ZSS does both. Really fun
>>125743019
>maining Eli
>not Honoka
>>125743169
ZSS is very fun.
>>125743019
ayrt, mine is too
>>125743259
>>125743293
ZSS isn't fun
Honoka a shit too
>>125743019
feels good
"This way"
>Play for fun for the hell of it
>First stage is 75m
THEY SAID FUN.
>>125743342
ayy
>>125743432
it's okay to have shit tastes, I don't blame you.
>>125743432
>insulting my main AND my raibu
You've got some nerve, bitch.
Fill in the blank, /ssbg/
>Ever since I left the city, _______
>>125743525
Having fun yet?
>>125743562
You
>>125743526
Of course you wouldn't blame me for you also have shit taste
>>125743549
I got nerves of steel
>>125743562
EH REH
>Robin in winners finals
Why is Florida so free?
>>125743019
I know that feel.
>>125743795
*south florida
One or two good good players, and neither are there.
>>125743848
Wozzler
>>125743562
Han Solo was killed by Kylo Ren who is also his son
>>125743848
host
>>125743848
teamsp00ky
Why are so many people watching shofu right now when he sucks?
>>125743902
That movie was dope.
>>125743949
>2nd in his region
As an ike main, would I like cloud?
>>125743949
some people like his personality
Nobody would watch armada practice because he'd never talk
people watch mango practice because he's interactive
>>125743795
>Girl in winners Semi's
>>125744048
He's like Ike except viable
>>125744085
>Girl
GGs Amatosk
>>125744048
Just stick with Ike, Cloud is a literal downgrade.
>>125743848
>still not hosting
stay free
What's the verdict onhow you personally feel aboutCloud?
>>125744110
>>125744190
>
Honestly I'd say Cloud and Ike are about even, if not, Cloud is slightly better.
>>125744264
between low mid and mid
Irrelevant then, don't care about him.
>>125744264
I like being able to play offstage so he's not for me.
>>125744126
GGs Ty
>>125744237
>unable to connect to server
>>125744374
>stand on edge when Cloud is offstage
>counter while Cloud recovers
>win
I'm just not seeing it desu. The only way it won't work if it's a limit break recovery, but they can't do that forever.
Do you guys think Shofu can win Genesis 3? I'm sure this nigga is making top 8 in the next year at some tournament.
My nigga's Cloud looking CRISP
>>125744551
Well no skin off my bones
I'm off to play video games
stay free Panchito
>>125744646
more like panfreeto lmao
>>125744646
>>125744682
Don't.
>>125744264
I play against AI so I will never ever know the joys of midair fair spikes thanks to the converging design flaws of having reactionary AI and Brawl style airdodges. I feel sad.
>>125744709
On a scale of 1 to America, how free are you?
>>125744624
I dont like Shofu
Bayonetta will be top tier
>>125744264
Very fun, as for competitive viability I think it's too early to tell. Honestly playing him a bit more and getting used to him is having me believe he's better than I thought he was at first.
>>125744624
Cloud isn't difficult to use at all, at the worst he can be gimped easily. He has crazy reach, power, and speed. People will figure out how to fuck him up just like mac.
>>125744891
I don't think any of us doubt that, considering she has actual combos, along with ZA WARUDO counter
>>125744558
Climhazzard can ledge snap easily so counter wouldn't really be effective. Also if the Cloud player is half decent they won't let themselves get thrown offstage.
>>125743019
I don't have a main. Undecided until something piques my interest.
>>125744264
He's the only fast swordsman sword character that can force the opponent to approach (projectile/threat of charging Limit. Link has a sword, but he's slow by design). His aerials are ridiculous. He's a complete upgrade from Shulk, minus his recovery. He's like the Fairy-type of Smash: He makes offstage play viable (I'd call the Jiggs matchup even, and Jiggs is garbage) but just because he sucks at recovering doesn't mean Jiggs is magically top-tier.
His style also divides my roster. The characters I use either have a large advantage against Cloud (because they can beat him offstage) or a large disadvantage (because they can't overcome his mobility, reach, and wall of Blade Beams)
I want a dump of his frame data. I know Marth is a little faster, but where does that leave Shulk? Why do his hitboxes rival Rosaluma's in size? Why can't you punish his gigantic Up-smash? Why do his smashes kill at sub-100% with no rage? Why is he as fast as Charizard? Why is his skinny torso so far back that you can't attack him unless you're in kissing range? Why is his dash attack so big that, when shielded, it stops him outside of grab range?
>>125744930
Shofu is looking like the best Cloud right now. Nigga looking CRISP right now.
>>125744941
Her counter is so brain dead, literally free smash attack.
I'm so happy
>>125745131
Holy shit, kill yourself right now.
No don't worry, I'll do it for you, just gonna get your address and do all the work for you, sit tight champ, gonna bring some gatorade over too.
>>125745029
>no top player ever gets thrown off stage
neat
>>125745097
>He's the only fast swordsman sword character that can force the opponent to approach
Toon Link.
And his frame data is pretty shit https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h5peQlvrlAc2g3kLTllpSkggN6MfpLfZIiBdGv6xOFk/edit#gid=127531413
>>125745290
>frame 19 fsmash
>block that shit every time some retard throws it out in the neutral
>they probably wonder why it never hits
>>125745517
on the bright side all three hits can fuck up a shield pretty hard
>>125745290
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Shulk
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Marth
>B-but Shulk's dashgrab comes out a frame eariler!
>But Marth's Side-B comes out 2 frames earlier!
And neither have a projectile
Who is the undisputed best character in Smash 4 history (aka not right now, but historically) according to SSBG?
>>125745820
diddy
>>125745820
Since release? Pre patch Diddy, he was nerfed as hard as he was for a reason.
>>125745812
All three are bad, I never argued against that.
>>125745820
Diddy Kong
>>125745820
Diddy.
>>125745820
1. Pre-patch Diddy
2. Pre-patch Sheik
3. Post-patch Sheik
>>125745974
>>125745989
>>125746004
>>125746024
oops
other than Diddy "obviously shouldn't have got past beta" Kong
>>125745820
wifi ganondorf
>>125746090
Pre-patch sheik.
>>125746004
Cloud may be the undisputed best swordsman in Sm4sh right now. Someone (Horneaus?) said that Ike/Cloud is even, and I'm very curious how Ike even gets in on the lanky fucker.
Oh, that's right: Cloud has Mega Man's slide, too, so he can go under projectiles. Every time I look at Cloud, I see some other move that gives him advantage over the rest of the cast
>>125745820
Cloud
>>125746339
Meta Knight is better. Toon Link is better. Pit's are arguably better.
>>125745820
Vanilla Mario.
>>125746339
>>125746339
having a garbage recovery makes you a garbage character, you can't really make up for that
>>125745517
>>125746339
That was actually me who said that, although I haven't played the Cloud/Ike MU I'm just basing what I said off of experience.
>>125746451
Agreed, except for Pit.
>>125746339
>>125746451
I think people are making too many assumptions about a character that people have only had their hands on for two days.
>>125745203
I mean even her COUNTER is unique
I always shit on you because you were a namefag but I'm happy that you're happy she's in the game
>>125746617
>three entire fsmashes to break a shield
>fucks it up when Ryu's in kill percent
my fucking sides
>>125746656
Pits have very generic tools that aren't ridiculously strong, but no real weaknesses unless forced below the ledge.
>>125746568
>Ally using Mario
>Nairo using Doc
>>125746686
Ike/Shulk with better frame data and worse recovery. There are some details to work out, sure, but the gist is he holds advantage until you get him offstage
>>125746617
Hahaha
HAHAHAHAHA
Fucking ACTUALLY
>>125746883
Mario's recovery is good and it is a lot easier to challenge Cloud's than Doc's.
>>125746883
It really is too early to tell how his matchups go, it's all theory right now because the character has only been out for two days. Cloud could have some setup that people are missing right now, people who are losing to Cloud who think the matchup is bad might just actually have to learn the matchup. No one knows the Cloud matchup right now because he's two days old.
Same shit with Bayonetta apparently being top tier even though she's not even going to be in the game for another couple of months.
/showdownsmash
BOWSER DOING BOW WOWS (bowser hoo hah)
Guys is Zelda for real seriously the worst character?
>>125747184
Yes.
>>125747184
Probably.
>>125747126
>fox v rosa
you rused me m8
>>125747184
Maybe
>>125747184
no jiggs is
>>125747184
Probably. She's bottom 5 for sure.
You now remember Charizard is in the game.
>>125747291
h-he's been playing bowser all along but now he wants to counter rosa I guess
>tfw Smashfag
>tfw can enjoy Fire Emblem without being linked with the creepy, weird, obsessive, gay Fire Emblem fanbase
We really do take some things for granted.
>>125747309
Nooooooooooooooooooo why
She seemed good when i played on 3ds
Ok smash general Im gonna try to beat 9.0 Classic with every character. First up most naturally is Cloud
>>125747436
i thought bowser had a decent MU against rosa
is it actually bad for him?
>>125747403
>Forgetting Charizard is in the game
>>125747461
>gay
have you not seen those fuggable waifus
>>125747403
God damnit
He found another reason to tripfag
>>125747503
Nice blog, where do I sub?
>>125747309
>Jiggs
>The worst
>When she can carry any fastfaller to the side blast zones
Zelda has nothing going for her besides jab, elevator, and some really weak zoning tools
>>125747503
pretty sure DLC doesn't towards that challenge but a Challenge is a challenge
>>125747509
nah
>>125747503
>ribbon alt
good taste
>>125747509
he did better as bowser imo, he SD'd last stock
>>125747572
>F11 jab
>going for her
>>125747594
Pfft... Already knocked out the challenges anyways. This is for fun
>>125747572
Zelda has more than that and Jiggs is still better
>>125747461
>not wanting to fuck the Fire Emblem girls and boys
>Not being a walking, talking ball of weeabo degeneracy
youmustbenewhere.jpg
>>125747652
>good range
>disjointed
>+2 on shield vs drop
did you guys see that bowser
bowser is not respectable anymore
>>125747913
most importantly
>NOTHING TO DO WHEN SHE NEEDS AN ACTUAL JAB, NOT WARLOCK PUNCH BOUND TO THE JAB COMMAND
>>125748021
Anyone looking for games?
Anyone still up for poverty smash?
>>125747572
Jiggs has nothing other than good aerial mobility with decent aerial speed that get beaten by pretty much all other aerial hitboxes
That, and hoping you play someone who rolls into your rests and doesn't zone you out and punish properly out of shield
>>125748237
Damn where did you get this
>>125748323
A guy on smashboards is working on Charizard's hitboxes.
>>125748323
holy shit, keep it in your pants Langston
>>125748412
Thats great
>>125748417
Langwho?
>>125748317
How can she be the worst character when she has that amzing mobility, and Zelda exists?
She's a shoe-in for bottom-10, but I'm still not convinced Zelda's better. Everyone with an argument hasn't mentioned a single positive thing about Zelda
>>125748526
You don't understand. My elf waifu is perfect and pure.
Post ending in 7 picks my mainNo dlc characters
>>125748526
Jab against grounded approaches, down throw combos into nair, safe on shield crossup dair, down tilt into kills, back hit of up tilt into kills, frame 5 invincible reflector/get-off-me, OoS elevator kill
and still the worst character
>>125748703
Sheik
>>125748703
Robin.
>>125748703
If 7, you restart the roll with 83
>>125748526
She has a reflector and a really good recovery.
>>125748703
Olimar
>>125748703
Zelda
>>125748703
Diddy
>>125748703
Lucina
>>125748703
Palutena with customs on
>>125748703
Mewtwo
>>125748867
CUTE
>>125748703
>>125748867
Congratulations on your cute CUTE main!
>>125748703
zelda
>>125748897
Too late, looks like I'm going to be changing my fate>>125748867Not even Marth though, no tips.
>>125748915
>>125748998
>>125749095
>Lucina is cute meme
You can take out the trash, but that doesn't mean the garbage man will pick it up.
I need to change how this general operates.
>>125749197
I don't like it either, but rules are rules my man. I don't know who to main, so I let /ssbg/ pick for me. Now im a waifufag by association.
Would anyone like to dubs or singles?
>can only play wifi
>have crappy connection
;_;
So like, it looks like cancelling Corrin's side B when it hits a grounded opponent puts them into an untechable knockdown.
As someone looking to pick him up, this delights me.
>>125749782
>iwata didn't get to see the end of it
>>125749901
>him
>>125749901
Have you seen Etika's reaction to Corrin reveal trailer lmao
>>125749901
so it works like charizards side b recoil
>>125749782
I always wonder the reactions I would get if I were to go back in time to when Brawl was released and show everyone something like this
I wonder how many people would analyze the images to try and find small errors and call it fake entirely based on those small mistakes
>>125750029
>barefoot waifu all day footjobs my nigga
>>125749901
>That fucking lance range
>counter that hits both sides to punish someone rolling to the other side of you
>Command grab with the claw plus a stun shot like ZSS
>Recovery seems to hit well and move high
Can't wait, actually.
>>125750143
How do you counter someone that rolls?
>>125750143
>those fucking tilts
don't butcher him sakurai, I need a better sword user
>>125750239
Good point.
I could be wrong, but there is a delay between the hit and the counter. I was figuring the enemy would roll during that interim and get hit.
I might also be retarded
>Shield gets hit by Ike's upsmash
>Put in shieldstun for literally a full second
>Game buffers a roll HARD
>Get punished because of an input I made a second ago
>Second stock he just spikes my 2 frame ledge grab
Remind me again why anybody likes this awful game
>>125750389
In order to trigger a counter
There must be an attack to counter
>>125750283
I'm ready, anon.
Corrin looks great. As long as Sakurai doesn't fuck up we'll have fun
>>125750550
dessert
>>125750389
When the f-smash's hit the coutner they had recoil lag.
Also all counters have increased attacker hitlag.
>>125750654
I dare sakurai to give us frame advantage on side b pin>cancel
Or even a fast cancel/back kick window on whiffed pin
I swear straight up I'll put up that mother fucker
>>125750550
Because I'm better than you.
>>125750858
>I dare sakurai to give us frame advantage on side b pin>cancel
>Or even a fast cancel/back kick window on whiffed pin
>I swear straight up I'll put up that mother fucker
>>125750550
Yeah the shieldstun feels weird in this game. Like, theres no point to it, its just a slight nuisance, you have to time inputs differently, unlike in 64 and Melee where you could actually use it for pressure.
>>125750550
>shieldstun a full second
>buffers a roll
Buffer window is 10 frames. You would have to press roll literally 50 frames into shield stun
Not to mention you'd have to get hit by a move that did 101.5 to get exactly 60 frames of shield stun.
>>125751013
that's like saying you're really good at Sonic '06
>>125751121
at least sonic 06 speedruns are actually pretty cool
>>125751103
It's because they arbitrarily raised the shieldstun without accounting for how it affects certain characters, so now Mario can just throw smashes out 100% of the time and win, Yoshi and Lucario can shield lock you, and Bowser can true combo a shield break with Jab Down B.
>>125751185
DSS is my real nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTk5FK9dlNo
>>125751242
>so now Mario can just throw smashes out 100% of the time and win, Yoshi and Lucario can shield lock you, and Bowser can true combo a shield break with Jab Down B.
Why is your scrubness affecting your wrongness?
Fire Emblem Fates just seems like such a creepy game. Rewatching the Direct right now. Maybe it's just the crappy voice acting
>weee're yawr family
>not a problem for MYY big brother
>BIG BROTHER IS NOW BIG SISTER! WOW~ EVEN BETTER
So, I really need help with Luigi, and it's just that I am pretty damn predictable with him.
Can anybody just list some approaches I can possibly do?
Of course the most obvious one is Fireball > down grab...but I need more ways of approaching.
- SH fair?
- Dash attack?
- Sometimes, I use his side special when they run to me and it works most of the time, but I use it very seldom
- I also run to my opponent, but then stop, jump and down air to catch a roll
What else?
Please show me some Luigi vids.
>>125751242
Mario's safest smash is -13 against dropping shield, -20 against OoS.
Yoshi's shield lock will only break shields if they're already weakened and Lucario's take long enough that you can DI out of it easily.
Bowser's jab>down b is not true on shield. You have 9 frames after jab on shield to input a roll before bowser is able to input down b, whose first hitbox isn't until frame 11.
Don't spread misinformation.
>>125751487
Nah, its just the shit voice acting
Corrin and Bayo both seem broken, especially for doubles. Team one of them with Jiggs and just have Jiggs rest a paralyzed foe
>>125751514
SH Fair isn't a bad option, I use it from time to time.
Watch Boss, I take most of my Luigi shit from him. Maybe he rightfully gets shit on for only attending free tourneys, but he's very good at Luigi. He wasn't one of those people who were carried by his prepatch Dthrow and he's adjusted accordingly.
>>125751487
>>BIG BROTHER IS NOW BIG SISTER! WOW~ EVEN BETTER
can we really say that Corrin only got in for marketing? I mean FEF has been out for about half a year in Japan. Maybe Sakurai
>is a fire emblem fanboy
>likes designing humanoid characters because they're easy to make
>wanted a character to use that moveset and Corrin was the only one that could, like how Ike got in
any or all of those could be right
>>125751514
Luigi's approach options are shit.
Bad air speed, bad run speed/traction, and none of his aerials are as safe as marios.
That said, nair is pretty safe and sets up for a grab at low percents, spaced bair is very safe but no good followups once it starts doing knockback, and only a few characters can punish landing up air since most of them you can jab an OoS option. SH fair is good, but double fair gets you punished. Maybe fair up air but I haven't tried it myself.
Never dash attack unless you are guaranteed to hit a punish where you can't close the distance to hit anything else. Watch Mr. ConCon in cali for the best luigi play.
>>125751487
My biggest issue is with the guy voicing Xander. He sounds like a fucking old man.
Ryoma's being voiced by the same guy who did Chrom, so I think he'll be fine.
Sakura's being voiced by Michelle Ruff, which is a "wat" casting in my opinion, she's never been good at little sister roles
>>125751989
dude shut the fuck up already they did it with roy ages ago
>>125751989
Sakurai likes FE. http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/12/13/sakurai-fe25/
>>125752090
Roy was supposed to be out before melee, that was just melee was done so quickly and BB was delayed.
>>125751989
I mean, it's not like Roy got in Melee before his own game was even out in Japan
>>125752090
>>125752217
Roy is distinguishable from Corrin because Corrin probably took a lot of work to make and Roy is just a clone
Is character DLC on sale for Xmas :(
>>125752193
Why do Lucina and Marth have the wrong personality, then?
>>125752217
yes he was.
Do we talk about Amiibo HERE??
>>125752474
not often
>>125752474
>>125752579
amiibofag
Anyone around for some matches?
>>125752474
I don't own a single amiibo but I might buy a Cloud amiibo just for shits and giggles.Also have thought about maybe Charizard or Falco
>>125752298
Keeping in mind how long it takes for them to develop a character, and going by what they even said themselves in the direct, they had decided to include Corrin before the game had even released in Japan.
>>125752476
>>125752564
>>125752630
Well, hey, I just got my Samus charging shots and spamming rockets properly, thought I might share my experiments, but w/e
>>125752705
and stay out
I'm really hype for Corrin for some reason.
>>125752795
Live your entire life here <3
