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Don't You Bastards Die On Me Edition
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>What is DUELYST?
DUELYST is a competitive strategy card game focused on tactical combat, squad building, and ranked ladder play.
>Play in Chrome
http://beta.duelyst.com/
>Client Download
https://updates.counterplay.co/launcher
>Squad Builder
http://duelystdb.com/
>Forum, Announcements...
http://forums.duelyst.com/
>Faction overview, guides and general information
http://duelyst.gamepedia.com/Getting_Started
First for how did they let jaxi be a card
>game growing
>more and more viewership on twitch
>/dyg/ is dying
why
>>125700793
Eh, I don't mind Jaxi as much as something like Piloted Shredder. At least the threat of the Mini-Jax is pretty consistent.
>>125703020
I don't know, feels bad.
>>125700793
I would like it if the Mini-Jax spawned in a more consistent way, but I don't think there's a good way to achieve that.
>>125703020
It requires being part of vg and duelyst, meaning that if only duelyst user base is growingif it is, they must be coming from elsewhere. So where is it?
>tfw you destroy an elder and its egg by buffing your own rebirth egg and giving it fury
goddamn that felt good
>still no magmar nerf
>still no vanar buff
>>125709459
Vanar are broken in concept. Either their minions are reasonable and they get shat on, or they have obscene statlines/persistent effects and they're ovepowered as fuck.
>>125707876
>tfw you made a mega panndo by buffing it to hell and back and giving it perma spellshield
What if the blood stains last until the end of the game?
That way in the end the battlefield will look like a real war field
>>125711380
should I suggest this in the forums?
will you tardos support it actually?
>>125711586
>>125711380
That sounds dumb and pointless honestly.
I think I just went vs the "I summon more weenies" guy from yesterday
he literally did nothing beside summon a bunch of weenies and deathwatcher
I won against him because lol sarlac vs weenies and lol stars fury
So do you think we will see healing card nerfs across the board and archon nerfs next patch?
Healing minions have absolutely no drawback and archon is fucking retarded. People would still run it if it was a 5/6.
>>125714845
The abundance of healing is a direct consequence of how high burst damage is right now. Healing Mystic should not have 3 HP though.
You anime nerds need to find new images, this general is too dead for you to be posting the same image over and over
>>125703364
Especially you, your waifu is shit
>>125717396
What if I told youI'm probably all of them because this general is dead as fuck. I've even made 3 of the last four threads, including this one.
>>125717648
I bet you waifupost on /blaz/ too.
>>125717648
Let it die, they really need to put out something new next patch, or atleast nerf some shit. Shake the game up.
>>125717959
Actually I don't, I haven't been into BB for a while because ArcSys hates the states and will jump back into it once BBCPEX comes to steam.I even talked about this in the thread.
>>125718110
Probably. Hell even I've been taking the game slowly and have just been playing a few a night to slow-climb. I started just a couple of weeks or so ago and figured I could jump straight to at the very least Diamond this month but I think I burned myself out from Faction leveling. I'll just end up trying to binge in the final week to no avail. Fuck I haven't even made Gold yet, terrible.
>>125717648
I don't even play this game, I was just scrolling the page and saw this post.
I admire your passion, anon. Just wanted to say have a Merry Christmas.
>>125718372
Thats just for this month, right? If not you have far too much passion for you suck dick atprobably because the game is far less fun the better you get, like most card games
>>125718529
Same I guess. For what it's worth I did manage to get five or six others playing the game.I have created two Songhai players. I am sorry.
>>125718762
Well, the main reason I haven't climbed is that much of my time was spent leveling classes, and now I just play one or two games a day. I could probably get to Gold before midnight if I started playing now though. I don't really fault the game itself for my burnout though, I'm like this with everything I play. I'll get excited initially before just crashing and burning and then I spend my free time staring at my screen instead of actually doing things.
Why are the bonechill walls considered a Vespyr? It doesn't say it anywhere on the card.
>>125720913
It does though.
Kibler streaming the game right now. 6.5k viewers
which faction is the most removal resistant?
vanar?
>>125725669
Lyonar is the only faction that can grant spell immunity
Its not commonly run but its not terrible, just be wary of silence
>>125725669
>any faction
>resistant to removal in this game
kek
The answer is Songhai since you haveno minions. Tusk boar is a walking phoenix fire and lantern fox is usually only used on lethal turns.
>>125725669
elder is probably the most sticky minion in the game
>>125725443
>Kibler just hit Gold
Shit I should start climbing.
>>125727304
He is playing magmar though
>>125725443
Good advertising for duelyst.I'm still waiting for the day Kibler slips up and forgets to hide his dragon dildos before starting his stream.
>>125727816
So what, I play Vetruvian. Like I said I don't really play enough to climb, I'm14right now.
I've only watched others play this game.
That one card, Fenrir Beastmaster or something, the 3 mana 3/3 that summons a 3/3 on death, that shit seems insane.
>>125722329
I was looking at the minion after it was summoned.
>>125728156
It is, it's probably the best 3 drop in a vacuum. The faction it is exclusive to is really weak though.
>decided to play Vet when joining
>pick up Vanar
>it's pretty fun
isn't it considered a weak faction? it's a shame, the design with all those ice-themed minions is pretty cool too
>>125728156
its balanced because its a vanar card
>Pandora in Magmar
Kibler please
>>125717648
Keep making these threads. I was on my way to the Dota 2 thread to see if they had any custom game stuff when I saw this game my friend told me about but failed to mention TACTICAL COMBAT!
I'm enjoying this game so far in that I have to use my brain more here than I do in Hearthstone.
>Watching Kibler play instead of playing the game
I have become what I hate most.
>>125730410
Will do, hope you keep having fun.
>>125734763
>>Watching Kibler play instead of playing the game
>I have become what I hate most.
Don't worry, it's just the natural course of evolution. The path of least resistance always wins.
>>125735072
Well I just won a Vet mirror and made the other guy ragequit with a sicknasty super skillful Star's Fury+Third Wish play so we're off to a good start.
games are so fun sometimes
>Portal Guardian turn 1
>Songhai opened with Kaido Assassin, and plays some 4/3 on his next turn
>Star's Fury on turn 2, kill all of his dudes and swing for 7 damage
>He instantly concedes
>>125735982
how do you guys get legos so fast ? gaunlet wins ? I only have like 3
>>125739408
Dusting everything I don't want from all other factions (except Magmar) and crafting them. I pulled Aymara Healer and Archon from packs, as well as a few epics. I have purchased packs though, about 16 bucks worth. Plus the game does throw packs and free epics/legos at you when you complete quests so make sure to do as many as you can.
>>125739862
i was thinking ib dusting all the ebins i got for an elder, it would really help the climb for rank 10, but i was a bit unsure of it i guess, seems a bit too extreme, but i will give it a shot, packs have been shit this week
>>125728429
its not that its weak, vanar minions are "sticky" but weak, and vanar spells need minons, even the removal ones
>Lose to a Vanar running Ash Mephyt
Darkest Timeline
>>125741710
I used to think that card was the shit back when I played abyss in bronze
then I started playing against people who were level 10
>>125740606
Their only sticky minions are blue goblin and fenrir
Everything else dies horribly to LOLAOE
>fucking around in the lower ladder
>can't really do much with a mostly basics deck, but hoarding dust from my gauntlet runs
>finally drop around 1600 dust on Lyonar
>3x Holy Skillation, 3x Airdrop Fatso, and rounding out some playsets of commons and a rare here and there
>25 wins a row
>now rank 9
I think I fucked up, but at least you only have to play games with a faction, not win. I think that might explain a few of the insta-concedes I've seen - they care less about their ladder ranking and more about just knocking their quest out instantly.
>>125741710
does ash mephyt work like meme fox does?
>>125742953
In what sense?
Viability? No
Random spawn of the minions? Yes.
>>125742953
Yes except the Fox has Celerity. This is important.
So I really like the art style of this game and enjoy magic the gathering, moreso than fucking hearthshit. Is this game more or less of a money/time sink than hearthstone?
>>125749031
Yes and no. Legendaries are more in-demand and there is no hard cap on how many of each you can have in a deck like in Hearthstone, but crafting costs per card are cheaper and the game practically throws gold, packs, and free cards at you anyway so it's easy to quickly get much of what you want for anything other than Vetruvian. Plus having tons of cards don't really make up for being an idiot.
>>125745232
its not even broken
third wish is the problem
>>125752126
Dude I just posted that to bump the thread.I play Vet.
almost done dling the game, what am i in for?
>>125752514
Lyonar - White Weenie
Songhai - [Teleports Behind You]
Vetruvian - ISIS Mechs
Abyssian - Demon Whores
Magmar - Muscle Lizards
Vanar - Ice Hipsters
>>125752748
Ice is best
>>125752748
Do you unlock shit for doing all the tutorial stuff?
>>125753912
There's several hundred gold embedded in the challenges. Save it for Gauntlets Wednesdays and Saturdays. Don't buy plain old packs, even going 0-3 in Gauntlet you have decent odds of coming out ahead with >150 gold worth of dust (which is a huge reason to just dive on in and start getting introduced to the entire cardlist by way of getting slapped silly with it).
After doing all the challenges (and at least make an effort to analyze each challenge for a few minutes before looking up the solution) and 20 constructed games you should have a decent idea of how the game plays out. You'll get BTFO your first few gauntlets, probably, but you'll learn about the cards of the game much, much faster than you would inching up the ladder wading around in a kiddie pool full of basics.
Once you've burned through all your initial quest and challenge gold on gauntlets and are down to poverty income, that's when you devote your time "playing" this game to reading about it to learn about babby's first constructed deck. Protip from >>125742820: Lyonar probably have the most viable cheap deck that has a punch against upper tier decks. 3x Tempest (basic) and 3x Holy Immolation (epics, but the only epics in the deck that you "need") will claw you back so many games it isn't even funny. Even the top tier lists seem to only play one Lyonar legendary (an admittedly great artifact, but not gamebreaking to lack) and the positions of neutral legendaries are hotly debated and serve mainly as anti-metagame tech/hate rather than being integral to the deck's overall design.
I can post list if you want later. It only runs three epics (the Holy Immolations) and the rest are commons and rares.
>>125725669
Two Vanar minions
3 Magmar minions
Songhai doesn't normally use board presence, if you are in a position where you want to use it his job is already done
Most divine bond lyonar minions survive removal
Vetruvian has star's fury which doesn't care about removal, portal guardian survives removal
Obviously this doesn't take into account silence. By removal I mean tempest or plasma storm. Nothing survives metamorphosis + plasma storm. Everything else isn't used much.
Basically as long as you don't play abyssian you have options.
Actually, abyssian gets the rush assassin. That's about it. Most people aren't desperate enough to pull out either board clear against shadowdancer with wraithlings.
>>125755381
Wait, magmar has 2 rush minions, increase that count.
>tfw i made it to diamond, but i don't want to dust any faction so my decks get rekt simply because others have 3+ legos while none of my decks does
>>125754472
I lost one game to a disconnect because shitty campus wifi.
I'm still climbing, god-knows-how-much with zero actual "losses" since Rank 19 with this thing. Maybe I'm just getting lucky and avoiding people with all the actually pimped out decks, although I have been seeing multiple legends here and there.
>>125756769
fuck, forgot pic
>Alternate magmar is still a guy
>Bara muscly old man
Who here /bara/?
>>125756769
Hitting gold is piss easy. Rank 10 is the cutoff point for 'I have no idea what I'm doing' vs 'I'm famiiar with the basic mechanics of a CCG'. Getting from 10 to 5 is the most fun because you'll mostly win by outplaying your opponent. 5-0 the skill gap is much smaller and it depends on what you run, you'll need a strong meta deck to hit S-rank.
>>125756902
Right after posting this I got BTFO'd by a Scion's Third Wish deck. Pretty much nothing I could do, I hardmulled into a hand of nothing and suddenly I was covered in +9'd dudes.
Quick! Post yourvanardecks!
>>125759393
>No draw
>Mech
????
>>125759393
faggot
>>125759409
Dont need draw because you can play snowchaser forever
>>125759437
I have no vanar legos how else would I have gotten to diamond?
>Only way to protect against spells only works against TARGETED spells
>even then manaburn still gets through
>still get blown up by all the aoe in the world
fuck this
>>125761385
Are you that arcanyst lyonar
>>125762442
no, I'm a disgruntled abyssian player
>Daily: Play magmar 4 times
>Have no magmar cards, mulligan
>Play Vanar 4 times
I'm never ever getting out of diamond
>>125757531
>A Scion's Third Wish
So literally any Vetruvian deck
>>125761385
ARCHON SPELLBALANCER
>Jaxi on every deck
I've never managed to make him work, he's pretty much a sitting duck that nobody wants to attack him when it's not my turn because he'll turn ranged, and I don't want him to attack on my turn because he'll get easily removed in range form
>>125769624
Just try to 241 with him
>>125764809
What do you play normally?
>make memecha deck
>With a budget on songhai
>mfw genociding a goldie smegmarite as i climb up into golden, this being my reward
>>125769624
tfw playing Jax Truesight to silence Jaxi
Good feeling even if the Jax would've just won the game without that minor benefit anyways
>>125774889
Chaos Elemental looks and soubds cool, I love the teleport sfx.
>>125776343
>That face
Jesus fuck it got spooky.
>>125774035
Song hai and vetruvian. I actually have a bunch of decent cards for Vanar, but no matter what I try I cannot make them work.
>>125776343
If he wasn't so fucking high cost I would love to try it. He can ignore shit like provokes and survive them AOE
>>125776646
Vanar is kind of difficult, one if its biggest problems is that it has trouble effectively dealing with high value weenies and its core mechanics arent great. Infiltrate is inconsistent and most Vespyrs suck, but they have strong individual cards like Fenrir Warmaster, Hailstone Prison, and Razorback.
>>125776759
3 mana 4/4 is high cost?
>>125778198
I believe he's referring to its spirit cost.infiltrate rework when
>>125778336
Oh
Well one thing I think Vanar would appreciate is a better 2 drop and better Vespyrs in general. Borean Bear is pathetic and Crystal Cloaker has inconsistent value.
Alright you shitters, I'm sick of yugioh and cardstone, and this shit looks great. I just started. and managed to pull a legendary(I think at least, it has a name and is gold) should I dust him? It's the neutral phoenix that brings units to life. I'm really interested in Vetruvian, but it seems all its good shit needs to be crafted. So I'm stuck with Magmar and Lyonar for the time being. What do I need to look out for as Magmar? How much early/late game is enough? The claw artifact seems dead half the time, am I right in taking 1 or 2? (I also dropped the twin fangs gold artifact). How do I stop the repulsor faggot from fucking my shit up?
What if Mist Dragon Seal cost 0 mana and Inner Focus cost 1?
>>125780078
Vet's deck price is overestimated I think.
I've been playing for 2 days and I'm only missing 3 epics and 3 legendaries.
Granted I've been lucky with legendary pulls.
>>125780908
If they change inner focus to cost anything they will kill current song hai. That might be good though, I fucking hate how dependant I am on that fucking card. If I don't draw it I just can't win, boars can't carry my ass mid game.
>>125780908
>>125783056
Take away all 0 mana spells from Songhai and they're suddenly balanced. That'd force them to maintain board presence to and make x3 Manaforger an autoinclude as well as means of protecting them.
>>125780078
twin fangs is fucking broken mang
I get 10+ attack with that shit everytime
>>125783659
>That'd force them to maintain board presence
...Which is fucking impossible for songhai since their minions fucking suck, except for boar my nigga. The only resemblance of board presence that I have is when I buff a sw0rd and it stays in the field.
>>125784262
Fighting Songhai is NOT interactive. You either pray to kill them before they draw all their burn or shit out enough threats so they spend more burn on your minions than you have heals.
>0 mana activate and buff up minions for cheap
>0 mana to neutralize any provokes with juxt
>1 mana to not only give +1/+1 but also bypass any bodyblocking or provokes
The list goes one, I'm tired of posting the same thing over and over whenever an argument over songays pops up.
>>125780078
Magmar's core is roughly
-3 of each Silithar (Young, Veteran, Elder)
-3 Mana Burn
-3 Natural Selection
-2-3 Plasma Storm
Obviously you will want more but the above cards alone (though) will give you a strong foundation. Elder is the least required on account of rarity but you want them ASAP. Other Magmar stuff to look out for are
-Elucidator
-Metamorphosis
-Makantor Warbeast
-Flash Reincarnation
-Kujuta
-Archon Spellbinder (Neutral but powerful)
If there are any I missed, others can chime in.
Vetruvian wants
-Portal Guardian
-Aymara Healer
-SCION'S THIRD WISH
-Star's Fury
-Rasha's Curse
>>125785825
>-3 Natural Selection
WRONG.
>>125784582
The fuck do you mean with "interactive"? What is interactive to you? Muh board control and muh tiles are shit anyways, literally no one plays with them in any interesting way beyond shitting out minions in the nearest tile
Yes, the can bypass the board. That´s what makes song hai song hai. If you don't like it it's ok, but don't try to turn them into a control faction just because it hurts your feelings to see my gorehorn teleporting behind you.
>>125785825
Magmar's true core is
-3 Mana burn
-3 Of each Silithar (Learn to love the bara mpreg)
-2-3 Plasma
-1-2 Selection
-3 Flash Reincarnation
-3 Makator
Selection is normally some value, but not enough to get 3 of them.
Makator is just too good.
Elder is "replaceable" by adding another big guy, but he's still great.
>>125785974
I'm not for taking away their mechanics. The costs are so fucking low they can oneshot you even with provokes covering your ass. Reducing the amount damage from the combos they pull off either make setups needed or simply spread out their damage over more turns.
>>125786172
THEIR FUCKING MECHANIC IS TO BE THE COMBO FACTION.
IF COMBO MAKES YOU CRY LIKE A BITCH GO PLAY FUCKING TIC-TAC-TOE YOU IDIOT.
How hard is that to get?
>>125786303
Songays confirmed for psychotic. Lantern Fox combo and Magmar's Flash Eli + FR are cancerous and killing the game.
>>125786394
>>125786303
There are also 2 more Songhai deck archetypes: Spellcaster/Arcanyst and Ranged which work just as fine and not infurating to play against because they can't shit out lethal with no board since they need their minions to survive.
>>125786172
>The costs are so fucking low they can oneshot you even with provokes covering your ass
That's a lie man, they have burst but it's pretty reasonable with the amount of cards invested. The only problem with song hai is the fucking foxes because protecting your back doesn't work, but I don't know how to nerf them without turning them to shit.
Spreading out the damage won't work unless they cut the healing available imo. I agree that in the long run it would be good. I feel dirty when I win a match in the third turn.
>>125786303
Stop being buttflusted dood.
>>125786576
>Spellcaster/Arcanyst
Which is shit and it doesn't work at all, plus you need a shit load of legos and epics, almost as much as vetkeks
>ranged
Doesn't work because muh board wipes clear out everything. I would like this to work though, but it's just impossible to play right now.
>go onto official forums
>huge autistic debate between two clodheads about decktrackers
>mfw someone starts unironically equating them with hacks
Where does /dyg/ stand on this topic anyways?
>>125786739
>every class relies on minions and suffers from AOE except OHK songay
>songay that doesn't OHK with no board can't work
Nice arguments.
>>125786394
>Magmar's Flash Eli + FR
Nobody really runs that successfully.
>>125786909
Not cheating, you can do it by hand wasting more time/paper.
Using paper to count card is cheating because makes casino lose.
>>125785886
RIP I tried hard
>>125786119
Thanks, and I plan on working on Magmar myself once I've assembled my Vet core, I just need one more STW, maybe one Aymara (I have two, and 3 Rasha's Curse. There's TIME WALK too but I don't see that as a necessity.
>>125786586
Maybe make it so that Inner Focus gives Lantern Fox one more attack instead of both?
>>125787319
It'd be easier to remove celerity but that defeats the purpose of the minion. Increasing manacosts is probably the best way to balance that shit.
>>125787319
>I just need one more STW
You only really need 2 wishes as 100% core.
I'd say vet core is:
3 Fury
2 Rasha's
2 Wish
3 Portal guardian
As much ayylmaos as you can get your hands on
But specially
NO.
OBELISK.
>>125785825
>3 nat select core
>makantor not core
>no emerald rejuvinator
>no jax for vet
>>125787654
Emerald and healslut go in every deck but songay
>>125787007
But magmar and lyonar dont suffer from aoe and lyonar needs only 1 minion on board for 1 turn to deal shitloads of free damage
>Lantern Fox is now a 4/2
Game fixed
>>125787217
counting cards isnt cheating, casinos only kick you out because they will lose money if they know your doing it
>>125788152
Can you read anon?
Can you?
>>125788135
>increasing damage
No.
>>125788207
>Using paper to count card is cheating because makes casino lose.
>count card is cheating
Can you?
>>125788351
>can't inner focus
Yes
>>125788351
>unable to be inner focus'd
yes
>>125788420
They kick you out on the basis of >cheating< via >card counting< because they can prove it (you're marking it down.
You're dumb.
>>125788609
>>125788641
My bad, I forgot about that. I was thinking that reducing health while increasing damage is irrelevant because killing edge gives +2 hp.
>>125788668
But its not cheating
They can kick you out on whatever basis they want, even if they can't prove you are doing anything at all.
>>125788917
Yep you're retarded
>>125787654
I don't play Magmar so it was an honest mistake and Emerald Rejuvenator goes in everything anyway. I did forget Jax though, so thanks. Honestly we could probably assemble an infographic or something for players to use as a reference when building decks. I know the forums have things but they feel kind of scattered and it'd probably easier if they were all in one place.
>>125789067
>resorting to ad hominem
>>125789309
>Resorting to ad hominem to the ad hominemer
>>125789071
That guy's card ratings are all kinds of fucked on top of being outdated by a great many numbers of patches too anyways
>dunecaster A-
>all the obelysks are rated fairly well
>Orb Weaver A-
>Wildire Ankh still a "2 off in every deck since the dawn of time" after the nerf ages ago
>Sword of Mekaz0r "pretty much restricted to mech decks"
>Emerald Rejuvinator "doesn't impress me"
>Eclipse A
The list goes on. I feel I have a pretty decent understanding of the game at large to make a list like it though. Might do it if I feel. At the very least I'd be able to do it for Vetruvian.
Guys, please. Keep your homomemes in private.
>>125789071
baiten kaitos was a pretty good game
>>125789724
I'd rather it be a collaborative effort, it's best to have multiple heads working on things.
Also Sword of Mechazor's synergy with Songhai is super obvious what the hell?
MAGMAR RATE LIST (No special archetype, no neutrals)
10/10 - 3 Makator
10/10 - 3 Flash reincarnate
10/10 - Veteran and young silithar
8/10 - 2-3 Elder
8/10 - 2-3 Meta
8/10 - 3 Elucidator (for combo and aggro)
8/10 - 2 Spirit harvester (For control)
7/10 - 3 Kujata
0 to 3/10 - Mind Steal, bounded life force, Tremor (this should be removed desu, stun should be vanar's), Unstable Leviathan
Non rated- Average ranking
>>125790280
I'd vote on just sort of removing the letter grading. I know it'll be more of a pain to absorb the information for lazy assholes who hate to read but I hate the idea of finding cards that may have very strong uses as a tech card or may have strong potential without much actual playability due to popular deck builds not being able to find room for it and sticking those into some sort of hierarchy.
Otherwise I'd love to help out. If someone has some sort of way to set up a team and strum them into a google doc or something like that I'd pitch in.
>>125790257
Yeah it was, I had good times with both.
>>125791014
Giving actual evaluation and uses would be a lot more helpful yeah, and we could just start off by establishing "core" cards for each faction then going over tech choices specific to each, as well as highlighting good general use neutrals.
>>125790354
stun is pretty shit which makes it fit perfectly with vanar's theme
>>125789724
>Eclipse A
Do we know for a fact that this wasn't written by the furfag who donated to get him in
>>125790354
Bounded Life Force is bad, but it's not "Tremor and Mind Steal" levels of bad.
>>125793326
>Bounded Life Force is bad, but it's not "Tremor and Mind Steal" levels of bad
<3 means that it's basically dust-able, I didn't feel like going one-by-one on the bad cards. Life would be a 3, like leviathan.
Bounded life can give you sneaky wins, but normally having that 3rd rejuvenator or flash is better.
>made it into the RS Chronicles beta
Finally I have another ccg to play
alright, I play this game and get my ass kicked every single time. Since I started playing, I've never gotten a win. 6 losses in a row.
Is this some pay2win meta shit or how come a new player gets wrecked this hard?
>Star's Fury
>Third Wish
Fucking christ, I escaped from hearthstone to avoid the same fucking Druid combo. Why the fuck does every ccg have this bullshit? Also, why the fuck does a beginner bronze have a deck that's 90% epics and legendaries?
>>125798127
Don't let them have 3 minions on the board by turn 7. How fucking hard is it? Also conga-lining helps if he hasn't shown any signs of running Ankhs and Staves to punish you with Aurora's Tears burst.
>>125798353
Nigger, I have no clue what you just said. I don't have a single purple or gold card in my shitty beginner deck. I just keep getting run over with faggots that have Jaxi, and a shitton of purple and gold cards in fucking bronze. I keep seeing these bullshit cards like Pandora, and I literally have no answer in my whole collection to such bullshit.
>>125797087
You're probably really bad at deckbuilding. A lot of the basic and common neutrals are staple as fuck. Primus Fist, Healing Mystic, Jaxi, or Rock Pulverizer are like 75% of the 2-drop slot in most decks. Healing Mystic is just a rare and in almost every deck. Saberspine Tiger sees widespread use. Dancing Blades is an extremely powerful pauper creature that can see some play in polished decks.
Look into those.
>>125798712
>healing mystic is just a rare
Shit that's not Emerald Rejuvinator.
>>125798570
Read the card text. Third wish can only be cast when you have 3 minions on the board.
You can reduce the number of dervishes spawned the turn before by aligning your shit into one straight line, however Blast + Damage artifact combo will punish you.
SF+TW can only happen on turn 7 unless they secure a mana orb so you can time your shit around that.
Also, the earlier you get orbs the more likely you get legos out of them. You can make an account for 1 deck and just build it from ground up by doing all the shit that awards you gold/orbs:
>playing ranked with starter decks till you unlock all proving grounds puzzles
>doing those puzzles
>leveling each faction to 11
>playing a challenge match against a person in your friendslist
>dusting a card
>doing a certain number of quests
Why is Vanar so fucking worthless? The general could have been so hot if not for that fucking face.
>>125798127
Except 3rd wish is like a UTH that only summons a dervish for every minion with an exposed front.
That's why you'll see everyone lining up their minions against vetruvian.
>>125799937
All of the women make the Ice Cube face
If the inevitable Third Wish nerf changes it to "Choose any three minions and teleport them up to 3 spaces" you hear it here first.
>>125799937
This. She's a redhead, she has short hair and she could be hot as fuck in a Ripley way. But those fucking blue lips kill her.
>>125802292
Don't do this to me bro
>>125802590
First Wish is a 1 mana spell that gives 1 minion +1/+1 and draws 1 card. Second Wish used to be a 2 mana spell that gave 2 minions +2/+2 and Celerity (which gave those minions 2 actions) but now it just draws 2 cards. Third Wish needs to be 3 mana and its effects need to involve the number 3. It also still needs to be legendary. Teleporting 3 minions up to 3 spaces is the only change I can think of to fit those criteria.
They could also just bump its mana cost up. I don't know, I'm not a dev.
>>125803071
Trust me I've been thinking of ways to change Third Wish but the teleport is more restrictive, I feel. Maybe it could deal 3 damage each to up to 3 minions? I don't know. Something like Violent Ultimatum is what I had in mind.
>>125803071
If anything, 2nd wish needs to be "Draw 2 cards and teleport a minion up to 2 spaces" or something, it's easily the weakest of the three.
Would fit in with spells only being able to displace 2 spaces (mist walking).
>>125803071
>Second Wish used to be a 2 mana spell that gave 2 minions +2/+2 and Celerity (which gave those minions 2 actions)
hory shit
>>125804894
Actually, it cost four mana when it had that effect.
>>125804030
What if we make it more like Cruel Ultimatum where it's 3 different effects with 3 in it.
Deal 3 damage, give a creature +3/+3, and move something 3 spaces? Something like that. Feels weak but it keeps the theme, at least. Maybe make it 3 damage in a 3x3 area. That'd be pretty rad as a control card but definitely too good. Opponent discards 3? Probably too strong too since draw is at end step. Can lock someone out of cards to play for 3 turns straight with good draws.
>Songhai
So fun and interactive. I sure love losing 15 hp at turn 2 or 3, and dying in another 1 turn burst soon after no matter my position or any provoke creatures protecting me. Just once, I wish they'd make a CCG where aggro/combo is unplayable garbage.
>>125806147
Seriuosly, Songay is just such bullshit, I want to play a match against a human opponent, not a card-drawing slot machine.
>>125806147
>Caw Blade
Then again Caw Blade did EVERYTHING
>>125805579
I like the Cruel Ultimatim idea. How about "Deals 3 damage, heals unit for 3, and gives a minion +3/+3?
>>125806147
I've never understood the appeal to aggro. It's often one of the cheaper ways to get into a card game and a lot of the times it's also very effective so on those terms I understand why it's played. I just don't understand who enjoys the playstyle beyond pure Spikes just playing to win.
Combo however is very popular and attracts a lot of people.
The problem here is that Duelyst has no way to interact with it. No counterspells or instants to stop one or even a way to bait or threaten its disruption. You're not even giving a whole lot up in terms of deckbuilding. No lands to dedicate deck space to. Draw is gracious enough that you don't need to fill your deck space and waste turns on draws and tutors. And often the combo pieces are just plain efficient on their own anyways. "Oh no I have to run Elucidators in my Magmar combo? How will I survive with a 5/4 rush floating in my deck? Sure hope I don't draw into it too soon." Needs some tuning.
Speaking of lands, I wouldn't mind some sort of decision-making in terms of how you gain mana. I absolutely hate lands in Magic so I'm opposed to that. I like how Force of Will does it, personally. Maybe something like that system. You give up your general's attack for a turn to gain a permanent mana crystal. Then you'll actually have to think about whether or not you want to mana accelerate. Maybe you can't replace and gain mana the same turn but I feel that'll fuck control too hard.
>>125806974
Heal sounds too weak, I think.
>>125807252
>I absolutely hate lands in Magic
Never played magic but what's wrong with lands? I thought that they were cool because you could play around them and destroy the resources of the enemy player.
>>125809816
I like that aspect of them. The problem is ~1/3rd of your deck is a card that isn't very exciting to draw into and doesn't do much on its own. Top decking into a land is the worst feeling. Then there's also getting mana screwed. While that can be mitigated through smart deck building it can still easily happen. It's also stupid just how expensive deck building becomes when there's rare staples literally every player is looking for.
Basically, I like the idea that to be able to field more powerful creatures you need to build your deck around being able to field more resources. I like that you can play around and manipulate those resources whether it be denying your opponent (though wizards is against it these days, calling it anti-fun) or through accelerating your own accumulation of resources and the drawbacks that come with spending a turn doing nothing but preparing for future turns.
What I don't like is your one and only draw being a completely worthless card in clutch situations. I don't like the additional layer of RNG involved in mana and color screwing. I don't like the price tag attatched to it. I don't like how boring they are.
>>125809816
You have to commit just over a third of your deck to them, and people hate getting mana screwed. I don't mind them myself. Also land destruction isn't terribly common and is mostly a Red mechanic. People hate land destruction for obvious reasons too.
>>125807252
Some peoole like going fast man. Also attacking the hand would be nice, but you don't want it to be overbearing either.
How to nerf TW without making it unplayable:
>give 3 minions +3 attack this turn only
There.
>>125811161
That doesn't solve anything, Third Wish is typically used for alpha strikes and board clears.
>>125809816
>>125810809
Force of Will is a relatively new TCG. It has something very similar to Magic's lands in its Magic Stones. On the field they function pretty much exactly the same as lands. You tap them to gain a resource of a certain color which you spend to cast shit. However, the big difference is that they go in their own deck. You cannot draw into them. They don't pollute your hand or deck.
They get played by tapping your commander. Then the top card of your Magic Stone deck gets played onto the field. Tapping your commander as a cost prevents it from transforming into a playable creature, attacking if it's in said creature form, activating any effects that require it to tap, and makes it targettable for your opponent's attacks if it's in its creature form.
This keeps the idea that to have more resources you have to give up something so it's not as braindead as in HS or Duelyst. It also keeps the concept of building around mana acceleration with plenty of cards having similar effects to those in Magic. It prevents you having no control over not being able to play any cards due to mana screw and you can't dead draw into land after land.
But enough of FoW. I rather like my idea for mana. Generals can't attack if you choose to gain mana that turn. Simple enough to work. Makes mana accelerating not braindead. Added benefit of maybe some 2-health 2-drops finally being worth considering. Plus opens up some card design room, maybe.
Third wish:
Summon three 3/3 Celerity Ethereal Rush Dervishes with Zeal: "If summoned next to a general, this Minion can take an addition action" on any space.
So is Songhai and Third Wishvian the cancer of Duelyst? None of the other decks and classes are even remotely as cheap or sacky. When you lose to the other classes you see it coming a miles away. Whereas with these 2, you're at 20+ hp and it's between turn 3 and 6, and suddenly you're dead.
>>125811967
Fagmar control and lantern fox are still killing this game. It's falseflaggers.
>>125811967
At least with Star's Fury + Third Wish there's some obvious counter play to it. It's definitely too strong but I think people exaggerate that shit way too hard. It's not a zero interaction 25-0 like Magmar's little combo meme or a god hand with Lantern Fox. You can play around it and control the board. It's not like Vetruvian has a whole lot of burst without it.
>>125811967
Third wish and vet in general have a shit load of counterplay. You can ignore star fury, you can stop third wish more or less. Not saying that it ain't strong, but you can do something about it. They trully broken card in vet is Rasha's curse and I have no idea why everyone ignores it. to complain about star fury instead It's an artifact clearer + a saberspine tiger for 2 mana and it ignores the conga line tactic. Balanced.
Fox is broken as fuck, it should be a 4/3 so they can clear it and it can be inner focused.There, now it's balanced.
Eluci magmar makes no sense. Plasma storm makes no fucking sense in that faction. Remove it and metamorphosis. Now magmar has a "weak" early game so they are balanced.
Damn, I must be a genius.
>>125811749
I've been wanting to try that game but there's no decent way to try it out online.
>>125811967
You have to have some level of foresight dealing with them, but Vet is more easily played around than Songhai at least. Magmar is also more oppressive than either class.
just started out with the game and got to sliver rank now i loose every game and I don't want to play anymore
>>125813685
Make fox 4/2 so you need some sort of buff on it to even benefit from celerity. Extra balanced.
>>125813916
It's really fun and I enjoyed my time with it. My friends lost interest so I haven't gotten to play in ages. I really miss it. The art and themes were interesting and unique and the gameplay was pretty much exactly what I was looking for.
When I stopped though Bahamut was fucking ruining the game on his own, though. Insane aggro without a whole lot of options because not all removal can target your ruler. Wonder if/how they fixed it.
>>125814348
>Make fox 4/2 so you need some sort of buff on it to even benefit from celerity
No, then it's shit. One turn is more than enough to deal with it, after all lyonnars only give you one turn to remove shit before divine bond comes to rape you. Same principle here.
Also, make the second one spawn on square near the other so they have less RNG going on and they can both be taunted.
>>125814940
As if it would be a huge nerf. They're gonna be looking to Killing Edge it anyways.
It just means that you'd need to commit fewer creatures/just one general attack to take one out when it's randomly teleported in bumfuck nowhere.
Though if they change how the RNG on the spawn works I guess it wouldn't be necessary.
>>125814348
All card games go through phases of peace and super bullshit so it's to be expected from time to time, mistakes get made.
Does instantly conceding give you your faction quests?
>>125818109
No, you have to play it out at least a little.
>>125821097
>there are people who unironically think this card isnt broken
I've played this game for a day, so the classes are basically.
Magmar = Warrior
Lyonar = Paladin
Songhai = Rogue
Vetruvian = Druid
Abyss = Warlock
Vanar = Priest? (figures the most original class would be shit)
>>125821285
Makantor Warbeast is probably the most busted thing in Magmar.
>>125821465
Priest isn't really shit though. At least not when I dropped Hearthstone.
>>125821465
More like this:
Magmar = Patron Warrior or Freezemage depending on build
Lyonar = Its like golems but you dont have to wait to be on low life
Songhai = Pre Nerf Miracle Rogue
Vetruvian = Hunter (even has their own unleash the memes and card draw)
Abyss = Hunter
Vanar = Druid because one of their minions is a tree
So basically every class in the game is go face all day because nothing you play is going to live longer than a turn. Control in this game means keeping the board empty instead of making value trades to gain more board presence than your opponent then winning with your board advantage.
>>125822408
>making value trades to gain more board presence than your opponent then winning with your board advantage.
But that's closer to midrange than straight up control anyway. Control is restricting your opponent's ability to make plays and in Duelyst a lot of that consists of shooting down their attempts to establish a board. Why do you think Magmar Control is a thing?
>>125822408
>Vetruvian is hunter
>literally the only thing they have similar is UTH - Star's fury
>vanar is druid
>magmar anything like those two aside from the 25-0 burst combo which isn't very common on ladder
Can you HS memers stop trying so hard to draw direct comparisons?
>>125823097
If we're talking HS comparisons, the main races have the cardpools to play in multiple different ways, especially when blended with the sub-tribes. Core Lyonar can feel like some flavor of rushdown or control, but Lyonar Arcaynsts is goddamned hilarious with Owl OTKs straight outta nowhere with Magnetize pulling it into position when your opponent is smugly sure that it'll never be in any position for a threat. (Seriously, Magnetize is such a cool card.)
>>125821097
>Magmar babbies complain that Holy Immolation is broken yet unironically defend Makantor Warbeast
>>125821465
>>125822408
Sooooo
>Magmar = Patrician demigod of ultimate skill, cucker and slayer, hunter and genocider, god and emperor-king, ubermensch: The clss
>>125823740
But that's Vetruvian
>>125822640
grid based games normally have you overwhelming the enemy with units on the board, but this game has left the board on the backburner
>>125824000
>No control
>le epik skillz laddies mateys xdddd
Vetcuck=Druid
>Ubercancer fuck
>Nobody talks about it
>Le balanced roar combo dude XD"
>>125824373
>no one talks about it
Have you never read a thread? it's 50% bitching about Third Wish
>>125813685
magmar also has mana burn, I'll never understand why the race full of dumb brutes has such good dispel capabilities.
Plasma storm at least fits into their survival of the fittest 'theme' with it looking at attack and all, but I'd expect mana burn to be an abyssian spell or something.
>People bitch about control Mag when combo ones exist
>>125797087
You're just a retard. I made a new account and got gold without realizing it just casually leveling up factions with starter decks.
Because this game's like hearthstone, people think they master it as soon as they pick it up. The grid system adds some depth that you won't be able to fully take advantage of until you play more games and learn the cards. How are you going to watch out for makantors or SF/TW combos if you don't even know they exist? But it's easier to focus on the cards' rarity and try to attribute everything to that. Even up to gold, people with decked out legos/epics recklessly summon their units only to lose it to unfavorable trades. A new player has much more room to work with in this game than in games like HS.
>>125823570
What manga is this cute girl from?
Holy shit. Holy shit. I just started up this game and I'm already in love. I see its in beta, are there plans for more factions? What are some tips to get the most out of this game. Maaaaan I'm excite.
>>125821465
Magmar is like Ramp druid + Control Warrior
Songhai is Miracle Rogue on drugs
The other factions are a mix of a bunch of things, I don't think there's any clear cut comparison.
>>125831098
>new factions
maybe in the future. right now the devs are busy with other shit
other than that, just enjoy yourself. try to focus on 1-2 factions (any) if you don't want to blow money on the game
absolutely do the tutorial + puzzles and also check out the hidden achievements for more rewards. if you're new to deck building or card games, check out the beginner stuff in the OP
have fun
>>125833842
Vetruvian=Druid*Paladin dude...
>>125833842
Magmar is just Big Jund
so are new generals just skins or what?
>>125752748
>[Teleports Behind You]
nice reference anon, I kek'd
Can someone post the female Vet general? I don't have it saved.
>>125831098
ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BUY PACKS NEVER. Someone did the math, even if you go 0-3 in Gauntlet, the average rewards for it (unless you get really unlucky) are generally still >150 gold worth of buying straight packs. Gauntlet wins still earn you the base gold per 2 wins same as constructed/ladder (unlike in HS) as well. You might lose more games leaping facefirst into Gauntlet but you'll learn about factions and the entire available cardpool much more quickly than you will wading around at the mainly-basis kiddie pool at the bottom of the ladder.
Gauntlet is currently only opened on Wednesdays and Saturdays to concentrate the playerbase currently (because the majority of the playerbase will get knocked out quickly and run out of saved gold to requeue with) until they're comfortable that enough players are earning enough gold to keep Gauntlet populated the entire week, so save your gold!
>Starfire Scarab
Holy SHIT I hate this card it's so fucking bad yet I keep getting tricked into using it.
>>125844232
Where did you find that art? Is it official? I can't find anything about alternative generals, other than discussion in forums and such.
>Losing rank for failed connections
Ebin
>>125846909
>>125847226
Got anymore saved? I don't feel like allowing cookies and flash just for that shit. I doubt they'll do a qt female Magmar, but I have high hopes for Lyonar.
>>125847423
>i have high hopes for lyonar
>>125847713
What are you implying?
>>125847758
Dont worry anon you will understand soon enough
>>125847862
Well fuck me. Here I was hoping for an amazon or a qt blonde paladin. What the fuck is it with them and lips?
JUST
>people keep trying to surround my units
>mfw I'm Lyonar
They keep conveniently running up to my units in these perfect little rings what the fuck
That's really the not-so-subtle character of Lyonar. They're pushy and rebellious and if you dare try to keep'em down, they explode out and make you pay for it. You have to simply accept that if they need to reposition, they will, because if you try and block their path with units they'll run up to those 1x3 lines and half circles and blow you the fuck out.
>>125847994
No way they won't promote some racial diversity, for human races anyway. Art is atrocious tho.
>Songhai uses all his spells and backstab minions to remove portal guardians and ayylmaos
>even spirals a guardian
>loses without doing a single point of damage to my general
Still had no fun. Fuck Songay.
>>125847639
Ohhoho fuck yeah.
Songay in case anyone missed it.
How do I improve this senpaitachi? Just started yesterday and currently rank 12, so I can only craft rares and commons, since the Makantors ate all the dust I got from my starter gold. The only legendary I got is this guy, and I got 2 of him.
>>125809816
Most of the good shit is expensive for fucking lands
Fucking jews of the coast
>>125851518
All you gotta do to win as fagmar is channel your faggot power. Just be as gay as possible.
>>125850206
Professor silver league trying to give a lecture on Lyonar.
>>125851846
Cry more, straight boy. Power to the lizards.
>>125851846
Cool your autism anon. I'm not playing super special snowflake shit when I literally don't have any cards outside these other than the basic ones. I was running into faggots with literally 15+ legendaries and epics as early as rank 20.
>>125851518
>mana burn
>plasma storm
>makantors
>nat selection
>egg morph
You're almost ready to start sucking cock with the big boys. Just need to save for flash reinc and silithar elders next.
have you guys learned yet?
>>125852090
I waskind ofkidding. You have most of what you need.
Maybe replace the diretide for an extra plasma storm and get 2x earth sphere instead of the repulsor beasts since you seem to have enough removal anyway.
>>125851518
>spending your gold on packs and not waiting to spend it on gauntlet
enjoy your reduced returns, see >>125842375
More seriously:
Drop Rocky entirely out in favor of Saberspine Tiger. 1/4 provokes get cut down without having put up much of a fight which raises the question of why you bothered with them. In the weird event that they do stick around, they then get ignominiously blown up by your own Spirit Harvesters or Plasma Storms without even being able to suicide for meaningful damage beforehand, or they fuck with your Natural Selections.
On the other hand, rush is RIDICULOUSLY good. It fucks with your opponent because they get to act before he can react, which I'm sure you're aware why Makantor is so awesome. Don't be worried if they run to their death: think of them as neutral burnspells that double as mana orb grabbers and as unexpected blowout targets for diretide frenzy. Seriously, Saberspine+Diretide is basically a Holy Immolation, admittedly a two-card throwaway, but the effect is important for tempo at the very least.
Play all 3 Plasma Storms. You're doing nothing but a disservice to yourself by not playing all 3. Don't worry about eggs: the odds of an egg being up on your turn is low, since opponents make sure they have a way to deal with the egg on the turn it spawns, and suiciding into an egg on your own turn is a perfectly good waste of an egg in the first place.
Probably the biggest problem with your deck is that it lacks endgame wincons: Fractal Replication (for sudden burst blowouts) or Silithar Elder (build up a ludicrous critical mass of doubling Elders, your opponent will concede after you've defended them for long enough for him to realize he has no chance). Yes, those are legendaries. Sorry, this is the path you chose when you picked Magmar; they really do need them to function properly. If you wanted truly effective pauper, you could have played Lyonar or Abyssian. But hey, at least you didn't pick Vetruvian or Vanar!
>>125851917
I'm rank 3 and they still keep doing it. I expected to hit a brick wall at rank 5 but at this rate I'll be able to grind out S before the end of the month.
>>125853665
>Vetruvian Pauper
>Dervish.dek
I copied a deck from a guide on 360 dust decks and it had Windstorm Obelysks in it. Yeah.
Still though I had so much fun with the deck that I dropped Magmar in favor of Vetruvian but Windstorm Obelysk is easily one of the worst cards in the game.
>gauntlet
>opponent has two makantor beasts and gets out a 6/7 on turn 3 with flash incarnation
what is this, constructed
>>125855567
>Flash Reincarnated Archon Spellbinder in fucking Gauntlet
Who have you wronged recently?
>>125855669
No, it was that High Hand guy. But then he followed up with a Healing Mystic on it to bring it back to full. I ran away from it for a bit and actually deployed two cannons of Mechazor that whittled it down, but then after I took it out he Plasma Stormed and ruined my day, then that 3/4 3-damage aoe guy, then a Naga.
He got ALL the aoe that draft and his raw card quality was such that I needed him to not have that to break my desperate walling attempts.
>>125853741
It's pretty much impossible to play around cleave in this game due to how generous it is (3x3 tiles) and how small the grid is.
Your best bet is to deploy in a diagonal or something which will save a unit or two, but realistically that isn't always going to be optimum depending on boardstate and frankly.
>>125856765
and frankly any unit far off enough to dodge the cleave isn't going to be contributing to the battle in a hurry anyway.
It's a lose/lose situation for the attacker so I really wouldn't feel smug about pulling that on someone. Situations like that are inevitable.
WHAT IN GOD'S NAME HAVE I DRAFTED
I HAVE NEVER PLAYED VANAR BEFORE
SEND AID
>>125858484
>no fenrir
kek
>>125859505
I know 3/3 fenrir is gauntlet standard but I saw literally zero.
I won three games easily, then got matchmade against some guy with literally over 20 banners with a Vanar deck with at LEAST five of those things (I fucking counted), all he did was play them out and roll all over me with 3/3s, it was retarded. I waited a few minutes, then queued again. I got matched against him AGAIN.
Now sitting and waiting at least an hour before trying once more. Seriously, fuck that guy and his deck.
>>125860232
I know that feel
>Playing magmar, nothing good except one mana burn and some silithars. No legos.
>Against other magmar with makantor, spirit harvester and every sngle removal.
>two circle of life
>three ironcliffe golem
>two divine bonds
>two holy immolations
>arclight regalia
n a n i
>>125861650
THAT'S MORE FUCKING LIKE IT
>drafted two GETOVERHERE in back to back gauntlets
>>125862513
>first match my opponent goes lady locke into jax into aspect of the mountains
YES I AM SALTY
WHY ARE ALL THESE DECKS STRAIGHT OUT OF CONSTRUCTED
>>125863232:^)
>>125863232
AND THERE'S A RAZORBACK, JUST IN CASE 2/2 MINIJAXS WEREN'T ENOUGH, LET'S JUST MAKE THEM 4/2 BECAUSE THIS IS LITERALLY A VANAR CONSTRUCTED COMBO
AND I JUST GOT OTK'D BY LITERAL MAKANTOR COMBO
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Okay, now that I'm calming down, I think I have a good hypothesis for what's going on here.
There aren't enough players to let decks be matched up against comparable ones. What's instead happening is that a stupidly good deck is going around collecting heads, so to speak, until it eventually hits 12 and graduates out, or it gets unlucky enough to meet its match three times in a row... which isn't happening consistently. Lack of proper matchmaking means that instead of being consistently matched up against each other and grinding each other down, the stupidly good decks are instead running amok amongst the playerbase and only rarely running into each other.
Any tips for a new player, or is this game actually dead?
>>125865751Git good
Players with basic decks managed to get to the top, so if you're decent, it will immediately show
>>125866336
Ignore this shit. Legos and epics>>>>other cards in 90% of cases. If you want a cheap and easy deck invest on lyonar. They are the most boring faction to play though.
>>125865751
Focus on one faction at a time.
>>125865751
play magmar
>bring sarlac back to 2 mana
>abyssian fixed
>delete vanar
>vanar fixed
>keep investing spirit in vanar
The deer is shit, why everyone overrates that piece of shit? It would be good if it costed 3 mana so you could actually combo him. By the time you can use him to pull out more than 1 shitty minion you already lost.
And elemental is shit too. I just gave up on him, too RNG and even then it's not as good as fucking spirit harvester.
Only good vespyr is snow chaser. Pathetic.
>>125872039
What elemental are you talking about? Aspect of the mountain?
>playing gauntlet
>matched vs S-rank
fair :^)
>>125872291
This useless fuck
I'm pissed because I like to spec on ice in most games and for some reason ice is always shit while fire is always good. The fuck.
Perhaps I should try a golem deck with the wisps or something. Pure vanar doesn't work at all.
>>125872675
oh I forgot he even existed because he is top shit
his only use is to combo with bonechill barrier but since walls are useless your just spending 5 mana to deal 6 random damage
With all the Jaxis running around in every deck I am seriously considering mainboard Crossbones, 1 or 2. Added benefits include instant "nope" button against cheese-tastic mechazor.
>>125873625
I run 1 crossbones in every ladder deck
Its not dead very often
>>125872789
>oh I forgot he even existed because he is top shit
I have n idea of what isn't top shit on vanar. Even the legos are underwelming as fuck.
I'm considering dusting the entire faction to craft other shit like third wish. I'm fucking tired of losing every match unless my oponent gets a shitty hand
>stomp and shit on the goldies simultaneously to get back into my rightful diamond-s-rank place
>reach diamond
>next match is fagmar
Just control my shit up.
>>125874212
Vanar needs to be pretty much full bling to even begin competing with something as budget as 3x Holy Immolation. That said you can achieve some spectacular blowouts with that 4/3 +2 attack to all minions guy, aka Vanar's answer to Third Wish on a stick.
The problem with Vanar is that they require board presence the turn before they do anything. In a meta full of Lyonar and Magmar boardwipes, Vetruvian Star's Fury, and Songhai and Abyssian not giving any shits and just burning your face off, they're in a rather sticky spot.
>draft stone cold nuts
>go 2-3 because everyone I face against has even more ridiculous combos and card quality
>draft absolute shit with tons of filler
>go 12-2 because everyone I play against has even worse crap and empty turns to match mine
>>125874545
Razorback, definitely one of their best cards. Its weird because Vanar has a number of solid cards (Razorback, Fenrir Warmaster, all three Aspects, etc) but their mechanics just suck. Also Chromatic Cold can't even be aimed vertically, pathetic.
Smelling a lot of spirit when the nerf hits the lizards.
>>125875773
Why would you get extra dust from that after the devs nerf Makantor Warbeast?
>>125875549
>their mechanics just suck
With the exception of snow chaser every single vespyr/infiltrate card sucks. Cloaker is the second best one and it's like a shittier windblade.
Their early removal sucks. Hailstone prison is amazing, but useless against opening gambits which are the most used minions. Fox is good but shit early game because a 3/3 is actually very good, so you don't want to use it on the enemy minions. Crygenesis is usually overkill for what you want to use it (hearthseeker and jaxis), costs too much and the "draw a vespyr" part is useless unless you are running the shitty minions that vanar has.
Their damage sucks. With the exception of fenrir the minions don't stick and they are too weak to survive anything. Vanar playstyle seems to be aggro, shitting out minions quickly and buffing them with razorback and spirit of the wild. Aggro is shit on this game because board wipes run rampant in every single faction, so razorback is ususlly dead in your hand or he might be able to buff a single surviving fenrir.
Vanar has no board wipes though. Best they can pull off is playing the ebin bonechill + glaciar which costs 5 mana to deal 6 damage randomly. With a grasp of agony and that 4/1 rush they have better control than vanar can hope. Aspect of the mountains requires a minion in the board and it's pretty much a worst holy immolation, to the point that it doesn't even damage the enemy general. Avalanche requires a retard for enemy.
Vanar also have no finisher. Snowpiecer is the best that they have. The other stuff is rhyno + spirit of the wild, a combo that deals 14 damage, requires 9 mana and it can only work in the enemy side of the board. Yeah.
TDLR: Vanar is shit and I doubt that they will be able to balance them and make them work, ever.
>>125876574
I think making Elder summon veterans or young silithars is the way to balance that tumor.
>>125876574
>not plasma storm and metamorphosis
Mankantor is perfectly balanced.
>>125876678
>Vanar playstyle seems to be aggro, shitting out minions quickly and buffing them with razorback and spirit of the wild.
As far as I can tell, Vanar is supposed to be a tempo faction but that's really not working out.
>>125876779
There is literally nothing wrong with Plasma Storm.
>>125876779
makator is far stronger than plasma storm
>>125877203
There is when you can metamorph and cast it on the same turn wiping out ANYTHING the opponent has on the board regardless of dying wishes or other effects.
>>125877282
That is a metamorph problem not a plasma sotrm problem
metamorph is easily the most broken card in the game
>>125877282
meant for >>125877107
>>125877282
>>125877381
Metamorphosis is a stupid fucking card, but I honestly don't expect to see it nerfed. I'd be overjoyed if it was, though.
>>125847639
I love it, but why do Magmar use the fucking vetruvian aesthetic for their armor and shit? This shit needs some art direction badly.
>>125877728
The biggest questions is where the fuck do these savage lizards get all those augmentations, armor and shit.
>>125878343
From the white man
>>125876678
I think they can be balanced but the main thing they need is for their creatures to not be fucking useless.
>>125880307
I think what they need is a complete rework of the infiltrate mechanic.
It's just complete shit compared to all other faction effects.
>>125881610
True, and maybe a start, as has been suggested many times, would be to have bonuses when the minions are on your side.
>>125881610
Maybe if once they are summoned on the opps side they keep their infiltrate forever? Most of my vanar games my opp just sits on the other side of the middle so I cant ram into him with snowchasers every turn
>>125881610
>>125885389
>>125885406
I think the problem with infiltrate is that it's too "sticky" of a mechanic. Either you have almost no hope of really getting to use it in a certain situation or you'll just pretty much always have it on. In the former it's shit because then you're just fielding overcosted vanillas. In the latter the dev team has to balance around it and then make the infiltrate not retardedly strong since it'll always be in effect it might as well just be a part of the creature. So this ends up meaning that the infiltrate isn't even worth the mediocre vanilla it comes attached to. The whole mechanic is boring and weak.
I feel kinda similarly to zeal without most of the downsides to infiltrate. It's just a boring mechanic. You'll mostly want things in that play area anyways. The difference is that zeal is way more reliable and in a better faction.
They're both just really boring.
>>125878343
Ever wondered why arcade ganon was gay anon?
>>125885890
I interact with zeal a lot through hearthsister
Do you think they will ever add new factions?
>>125887207
Not right now. They're better off just working with and refining what's on their plate right now.
Ded
>>125887207
They say we'll get more after official release but for now it's just the 6
The best way to make infiltrate interesting would be toput it in the same faction as Backstabbut it's far, far too late to make that change.
>>125887207
They did
It was an abomination called vanar
>>125892183
Wow, they sure fucked up
>>125891654
I say just scrap it and make a new mechanic
>Do arena they said
Fuck you guy. All 3 decks I ran to in a row after my first win were literally better and more expensive than my constructed deck. High Hands, Lady Locks. that 7/7 Lyon legendary, Immolations, and they even had a shitload of heal and early minions so they couldn't be rushed. I'm not even fucking touching the subject with the guy who dropped 2 Makantors and an Elder.
>>125897058
>Falling for the Arena meme
Just get packs dude, it's not that big a deal and it's so easy to get packs and gold.
>>125897058
I dislike this format, but it's honestly quite easy to get your money worth. 3 wins is 45 gold so you pay almost nothing, and them drops are gud. Getting a shit deck sucks though, you might as well retire if you only draw shit
And I don't understand why they refuse to limit legos in constructed. Imagine a world with only one meta, one elder, one tusk and one ayyy. Everything would be balanced.
>>125901876
Ayy is nowhere near as annoying as Elder or Tusk.
>>125889345
stop anime posting, Nerf
>>125902104
I find her more obnoxius. Setting a 10 life difference alone is disgusting, the provoke is stupidly good for vet and chaces are that you were too busy dispelling other shit to fuck up the ayy. 5/5 is still a good body if she gets dispelled anyways.
Just change het with third wish though, if she doesn't bother you.
>>125902520
But the anime isn't out yet
>>125904153I play Vet actually, but Third Wish and Rasha's Curse (in my limited time with it so far) are way more threatening than Ayy, oftentimes I find myself dropping her to stall or swing momentum into my favor. She's not nearly as annoying to deal with as Elder or as scary as Tusk.
>Play Vet without Time Maelstrom
>R14
>Switch to Healyonar
>Rank 4 in 3 hours
This deck is pretty based.
>>125906018
What exactly do you mean by healonar
Cause every lyonar runs sundrop and a lot run the one who does aoe when something is healed
>>125906397
The deck I'm running right now is
x3 Arclyte
x3 Sundrop
x3 Tempest
x2 Sun Bloom
x3 Holy Immolation
x1 Decimate
x2 Magnetize
x3 Jaxi
x1 Jax Truesight
x3 Healing Mystic
x2 Suntide Maiden
x2 Sunriser
x2 Lysian Brawler
x3 Emerald Rejuvinator
x2 Lightbender
x1 Zen'Rui
x1 Elyx Stormblade
x1 Archon
x1 Paddo
>>125907474
>x1 Decimate
>x1 Paddo
Why?
New here, which deck should i build to farm gauntlet and win easy free tickets?
My favourites are Abyssian and Vetruvians, but if they truly can't stand a chance i'm open to other stuff., but if you can stick with these two (magmar is fine too, but it's going to get nerfed, right?)
>>125907720
x1 Decimate is to completely counter the first Jax truesight if I don't get to draw mine first
If they don't run a Jax truesight then Paddo + Decimate next turn wins me the game 90% of the time because of the healing/trading nature of the deck.
>>125907474
The fuck is up with your deck? Why jax truesight in lyonar if you are running no buffs whatsoever? How can someone just ignore ironcliffe, windblade and that 3/5 taunt guy?
>>125907880
What do you mean by build a deck to farm gauntlet? Gauntlet works just like arena in Hearthstone so you can't go in with a pre-constructed deck.
Vetruvian is probably the 2nd best overall class right now behind Magmar, but the best Vet deck can beat the best Magmar deck with good draws and outplaying your opponent.
Abyssian is a lot of fun to play but it suffers from the absurd amounts of board removal that a lot of factions have.
>>125908004
I'm on a 19 game winstreak with this deck from like r10 to r3. Never had a problem with not running buffs for Jax, Ironcliffe isn't needed for Healyonar and the 3/5 taunt is preferential.
>>125908404
Allright nigger, now you got me curious. I don't have paddo, is he a must for your deck?
>>125908996
I wouldn't say it's a must, I got decimate to counter jax and I didn't have another strong Lego like another archon so I threw paddo in the and it works well with decimate
>>125908404
Vetruvian being so flexible is one of the coolest things about it really.
>>125914197
I wouldnt mind this card if it didnt have frenzy
>>125915318
>I wouldn't mind this good card from a faction I don't play if it was trash that never saw play
No shit you wouldn't mind it, because it literally wouldn't see play. It's because of whining retards like that shit like Metamorph and Makantor is going to get nerfed, while sack combo shit like Eluc will not even be looked twice at.
>>125915318
I have three of them in my deck and I never managed to get him beyond 3 attack, it's just impossible. His frenzy might as well not exist since he's just dispel bait.
this is what I wanted chaotic to be
>>125915814
Get the fuck out Metamorph is total bullshit. The 25-0 combo is bullshit too but that doesn't make metamorph in any way fine
>>125915814
>while sack combo shit like Eluc
>Implying it's viable
>>125917725
Fuck off, it's the only thing stopping the mechazor memers on the ladder. Besides, not like there's a single card in Magmar that's played, that everyone who doesn't play the faction doesn't want nerfed. There's bitch about Mana Burn, Makantor, Elder, Metamorph, Plasma Storm, and Flash Reincarnation. If these people their way, the faction literally not have a single playable card outside young and veteran slithers.
I don't mind control being ridiculously OP, broken, or oppressive. If I wanted aggro trash to be king, I'd go to back Hearthstone, if I wanted sack to be king, I'd go back to Yugioh. Fuck going back to Magic, maybe if jews of the coast actually made an affordable and competent online version, their game would be played by people other than the same ones who have been playing for a decade.
>>125920692
If Metamorphosis was nerfed, Mechaz0r decks would take over the ladder. You heard it here first, folks.
>>125920692
>Fuck off, it's the only thing stopping the mechazor memers on the ladder.
That's not even close to true.
>>125920692
>crossbones
>ephemeral shroud
>mana burn
>sunbloom
>metamorph is the only answer
If I wanted aggro to take over the ladder I'd be bitching about Emerald Rejuvinator. Metamorph completely demolishes control decks way more than it does aggro decks you fucking retard.
I just don't like how free the metamorph trades are. It shouldn't cost your minions 1 HP to clear the board. It should affect both players' creatures so at least if they want to get rid of your vastly superior board they at least have to concede their own board.
>>125920692
> [metamorph is] the only thing stopping the mechazor memers on the ladder.
What do you guys think of Red Synja? I have 3 of them and don't know if they're any good for anything other than spirit.
>>125923996
People in this thread like to /heavily/ undervalue the neutral legends that aren't Spellbinder for some reason. To them Pandora is the worst card in the game. But I digress.
Red Synja is pretty decent. Works decently well in control decks but I'd say the very end of your curve in a more midrangey deck is where to put it. Probably not as a 3-of though.
>>125923996
Kills things for free. Seems really solid. Try before you deny.
>>125924374
>>125924431
Thanks, I'll probably try it in a Magmar deck since it seems like that's where it fits the best. Doesn't make sense to include it in an artifact Vet imo.
I'm reaching gold with a half assed vetruvian build I made from cards I get from packs (no dust-policy), I mean, I just negate every single round people dish out and build more stuff for myself, I'm at a streak of 6 currently
am I getting some insane luck or what?
i miss scrolls but, i guess this can fill the void for now.
>>125924620
Looks a bit like a deck I made to dick around with. I've made so many people rage quit with sand traps and dispel it's not even funny. Vetruvians have such versatile decks.
>>125924903
I miss that game too. It really didn't deserve to get shut down.
>0-2 from a Gauntlet run I started like a week and a half ago
>Figure I'll go ahead and play what will probably be the last one
>loldisconnect meme at loading screen so it counts as a loss anyway (tired of this shit)
>Get a pack and some spirit
>Jax Truesight in the pack
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
>>125925001
Vet is best faction
>>125925001
>>125927879
at a streak of 8 so far
if I win 2 more in a row I'll be gold
>>125923996
The one time I've seen her played was in Lyonar. She worked really well against me (I can't remember what I was playing at the time) and it's probably the best faction to put her in.
>Neck and neck vs Magmar
>Silence his Purgatos but lack removal to get rid of it immediately, best I can do is Ayymara Healer
>Know he's just going to mana burn it and swing for game
>His turn comes
>He mana burns it and swings for game
As for making a guide that we talked about here
>>125789071
>>125789724
>>125790280
>>125791014
>>125792458
I've not the slightest clue how to go about it to be honest, plus I don't think I'm good enough to spearhead such an effort anyway, I just wanted to do something about easing people's transition into the game and make a guide that would give people relevant card and deck information while being easy to digest.
>>125786909
Deck tracking is fine
>>125930897
>ME HAET MAGMAR
>ME IS IMPORTENTS!
>ME IS AVATARFAGS
Get a trip so we can filter you scum.
>>125931601
Magmar is my favorite behind Vetruvian so no not really. And if you think coming up with a means to reach out to new players is a bad thing then you're hopeless.
ded thred
ded game
>>125932589
Not sure about the game, but this is without a doubt one of the slowest and dedest generals out there.
I got to gold, lost my streak to an abyssian with 300 abyssian wins, but then I just won three in a row after
then I opened a pack and got this, today is a really good day
how fun would it be to run rebirth-egg magmar with locust?
>>125930897
I actually got started writing up my thoughts about all the vet cards the other day. I dunno what I'll do if/when I finish it up but I just sorta felt motivated to.
>>125933605
That other anon had a point about this thread undervaluing neutral legends but Black Locust is genuinely really bad.
>>125934006
really? I swear if not for the removal, he could exponentially snowball board control and portal guardian
>>125934006
>>125934193
>if not for the removal
There's the problem.
Well, that and he's a massive tempo loss. He's just really shit in general.
>>125933605
>Grandmaster Z'IR
They really need to tune up the stats or give it something.
>>125934193
he will get mana burned the instant he comes into play
if he doesn't, he will get AoE'dI guess you could meme on people with inner focus and pray they don't have aoe though
>>125934193
It's atrociously slow. The other 2/2 in the game is a one mana minion, and Locust costs four. No matter how much you snowball with it, it will always get ruined by aoe. Even if you were to snowball effectively, an army of 2/2 creatures isn't even that good.
I've been making changes every few games but right now I really need advice on changes I can make to improve my Magmar matchup in particular. I was thinking of removing Crossbones since I mostly just had it to deal with Mechazor but I have not seen one in ages.
>>125937893
I have yet to lose a game against Magmar with x2 Hexblade and x2 Imperial Mechanyst. Hexblade shuts down all of their major threats hard. But you need Aymara healers and a misc provoke to keep the General off you to keep your Hexblade up.
>>125938310
>I have no Hexblades
Nice I was hoping to finish building Magmar soon after this.
Isn't Vanar supposed to be the meme unplayable faction? How the fuck is it more popular on ladder than Abyss? I've literally never run into them from rank 20 to 1, whereas Vanar occasionally shows up, usually a richfag with tons of legendaries and epics.
>>125943165
Because Abyss is pretty fucking awful too
Why is this general so dead?
>>125949125
Lack of shit to do, partially. New set release or card changes would generate buzz.
Downloaded this as something fun for my spare time. Only wanna play Free to Play though, whats the best structure deck?
>>125950225
Abyssian is a good starter deck, both Abyssian and Lyonar are easy to pick up by Lyonar is stronger.
How common are legendaries in this game? My first two packs had 3 of them.
>>125952551
more common than any other ccg you have likely played
>>125924374
>big drop that's weak to plasma storm
>good
Maybe if it were 4/9 or something
Wait, so you're telling me that in order to go through 2 or 3 stacked Arclyte Regalias, I need to either be playing Vet, the only class with good artifact removal, or eat shit, because I can't constantly spawn things with rush that have 6+ attack? How the fuck is that even remotely balanced?
Guess I have to gimp my poor faggot deck even further with those shitty 2/2 crawlers now.
I swear to Christ, people get worse as I rank up. I play the absolute DOG SHIT Vanar deck made to complete the daily, and people concede to me at turn 2.
This is kind of like Hearthstone?
>>125954535
Yeah, but requires more skill and less RNG to win.
>>125954535
Yes, but instead of aggro being the cancer, it's combo. Low ranks it's all Magmar Eluc and Lyon Divine Bond combo, and high rank it's all Songay and Vet combo decks. Apparently these are all fine, no matter how sacky they are, because ADD faggots hate long games, which is why there's none stop bitching about the only good control deck.
>>125954837
Vetruvian is a control deck though. It can be at least. Vetruvian can just kind of do whatever, and all factions have some degree of burst, Songhai is just the only one wholly dedicated to it.
>>125954195
Arclyte regalia stacking with itself is kind of bullshit, but magmar and vet have so much more bullshit it kind of gets overlooked in general.
>>125960592
>final round of king of betas
>lolonar puts on 3 ragalia
>solitare uses decay then blows his hand all over him for the win
>>125954195
That's another thing that fucks Vanar silly
What doesn't fuck Vanar silly
>>125960692
games without much spells (gauntlet)spells are the cancer killing vanar and abyssian
>>125961074
Well they really are
Too much cheap removal across the board
>>125954195
>regalias stack
ho shit
>>125937893
Crossbones is still good as a 1-of purely for its Mini-Jax sniping potential. It's basically an upgunned Bloodwhatever Alchemist at that point, a 3/3 for 3 instead of a 2/1 for 3. It ain't awful.
>>125962359
bloodtear is 2 mana
>>125952551
They're really far more common than in any traditional CCG superlative rarity: I think the breakdown is 13/4/3/1 in terms of rarity in pack. I can't remember if there's one guaranteed rare in pack and the other four cards roll on this table, or if the pack checks to see if there's a rare or higher or not and replaces one common with a rare if not, but the end result is you will probably pull a Legend every four or five packs. Which is good, because you'll end up needing quite a few, so the dust income if nothing else (and you WILL dust quite a few of the legends for being trash-tier) is welcomed.
>cant remove ironcliff turn 2
>double divine bond
J U S T
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>>125966202
>when will they learn
>>125966202
>Werster
Is he still a salty piece of salt? I kind of stopped following the speedrunner after the got overrun by meme kids.
So how do the quest achievements work?
I've completed 8 quests but haven't received the epic questor reward.
Thing is I've only completed 3 different quests quests since I keep getting the same shit every day.
Do I need to stop rolling ultimate agressor/vetruvian challenger or is the system just broken?
>>125967076
desu i try to reroll for assassin/ agressor unless I start with my class of choice
>>125966202
just kill it on the turn it comes out bro
Every time. They are all fucking useless cards too.
>>125969992
astral phasing can be pretty clutch on blast minions
>>125970370
>implying blast minions survive to take damage
Also, does that spell override Sand Trap?
>>125970494
no because sandtrap says minions cant move
and repulsor probably works on sandtrap because its teleporting not moving
>>125970494
*to do damage
I feel like Scarab is too slow these days and pyromancers are worse than Jaxi.
>>125970550
Can't use repulsors on your own minions.
Fuck songhai
SO, Is Anyone Else having problems finishing matches Because the game freaking freezes up in the middle of the match, so you have to concede and refresh?
Its been happening constantly for like the last 2 weeks or so, and Im losing more matches then I can possibly win because of this crap.
>>125973198
Are you using the browser client? That thing's apparently really unstable lately for :reasons:. I've been using the desktop client with no DCs yet.
>>125972181
Fuck magmar
So i didn't finish my gauntlet run, and i was 4/1. do i just not ever get that stuff now?
>>125973702
You can finish it once the gauntlet opens again.
>>125973690
Fuck vetruvian
>>125973975
Vetruvian is literally fine.
>>125973604
Yes. Kinda wish the Support would have mentioned that one of the 6 times ive sent a report
>>125753868
double tempest and you dead
>>125970570
Good, I'm not alone. Scarab does fuckall for me
>>125970570
>>125975126
He works for me. At worst he might get dispelled, but the body is just amazing. And even if he gets fucked up I don't mind, the aymaras will be safe after all.
>>125974780
I remember a game where vanar had me walled in like pic related, must have been 15 units on the board and I had 1 dispelled obelysk.
Double rasha's curse and 3rd wish for lethal kek
Been playing the game about a week, got into gold pretty easily with a basic abyss wraithling list, cruised into diamond with attached list, but having a really hard time improving from rank 4/5. At this point is it a deck choice thing? Is there a better abyssian deck I should be using?
>>125974780
provoke trees spawn when the stuff on the board dies :^)
>>125975304
Rank 5 is the paywall, desu. Most people here have full sets of epics and legendaries.
You can definitely grind your way into S-rank because the winstreak system means that upwards mobility is eventually a thing, but it'll take you a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time.
>>125975421
triple tempest
I've done 3x Tempest to close boards as Healyonar before. People get so cocksure that you can't kill them with Divine Bond that they often leave themselves open to shit like 2-drop-->Holy Immolation, or just combinations of Holy Immolation and Tempest.
>>125975209
I'm thinking of replacing all the scarabs with Dancing blades, which for 1 less health can atleast remove things on the turn they're played if the positioning allows it.
Duelyst is kind of in a weird spot.
I really like the idea of the grid because it adds quite a bit more strategy to the usual cardgames because every movement counts. But it also makes the game way longer than it's biggest competitor hearthstone.
I feel like the length of the matches is its strength but also its downfall. Unless of course there will be more bullshit combos added that allow you to burst 25 to 0 even easier than it is now.
I'm eager to see how the development of the game and the playerbase will go.
3 Mana
1/4
Infiltrate:
Ranged
All your units are spell immune
Are they fixed now?
>>125976391
Funny you mention that, because I believe they're marketing it as a faster alternative to Hearthstone.
I don't disagree with you though. In theory games would play out faster (if people executed their turns instantly), but the grid adds enough complexity that you often need a good deal of time to think through plays.
That said, I think it's something that will improve over time as people grow more accustomed to the game and begin to recognize familiar boardstates and optimal solutions.
>>125977026
Are they really marketing it as faster hearthstone? Because in its current state it would be a failure on smartphone / mobile gaming because the grid makes navigating with a touchpad a nightmare.
>tfw losing to lyonar with SHIT decks because I get carried away by waiting for an Ironcliffe to remove
Poorfags gtfo.
>>125978001
Hearthstone's metagame has shifted of late. The advent of this one single card, "Reno Jackson", has managed to singlehandedly make playing aggro/burn/rushdown/you know what I'm saying decks ridiculously frustrating.
Previously, said aggro/burn decks were popular ladder-climbing choices because of how fast they went through games. It wouldn't matter that your W/L wasn't all that great, or even below 50%; by occasionally stringing together 2+ wins in sequence, you'd earn several bonus upward steps, and consecutive wins happen often enough even with <50% WR you'd climb the ladder faster than you would playing a much slower >50% WR deck.
Then they printed this one card that literally heals to all the way back to maximum health. Seriously. That's what the card does. Supposedly, it's balanced because it checks your deck and only procs if you have no more than a single copy of any card remaining in it... but HS's cardpool is large enough that many decks can easily build to accommodate this, and decks that go for the long game can even play two copies of key cards with the knowledge that by the time they need to play Reno for 100% health store, they'll have drawn at least 1 copy in most games.
It used to be that you played aggro until you got to the highest position on the ladder, and then you actually enjoyed yourself playing decks with a longer gameplan. Or if you didn't care all that much about the overall ladder but just wanted to play on it to meet serious opponents, you'd play those slower decks. Now they're viable and it's not uncommon for games of HS to break the ten minute mark. Blowouts are far less common these days because a deck can go hell for leather and bring you to 1 HP, and then suddenly you're back at 30 and it's as if everything they did didn't matter because you managed to draw a single copy of a card in your 30 card deck in those opening turns.
>>125978001
I remember reading it somewhere, it certainly felt like they were aiming for that kind of thing, dropping words like 'agile' and so on.
Either way I think it's kind of funny that in this case they might have a made a game that's 'too hard' for better or for worse.
>>125978498
Isn't Burst Shaman the big thing right now?
>>125978498
Gotta love Hearthstone balance team. The thing with patron was already hilarious, and now they went and pulled a you win! card against aggro.
And I just want to play magic online. Wizards of the coast will never make it possible though because they are complete retards.
>>125981560
Burst shaman is good right now because
A) It has strong enough starts that can win before turn 6
B) It can (sometimes) still win if reno comes out ala doomhammer
C) Harrison is nonexistent in slower decks because they are so centered around winning fatigue wars
>>125982063
I think everyone has accepted that MODO is the best effort Wizards will ever put forward towards it, which is sad since the horribly neutered DotP games still manage to be better polished.
>>125953830
>jax weak to plasma storm and tempest
What a shit card no one runs. It's almost like when you're up against the factions that have those tools at their disposal you have to either set up the board so they have some immediate effect, play them in addition to some buffs so they don't get removed, or count their removal until you know it's safe to play.
Pandora's not amazing but you shitters are delusional when you claim she's literally the worst legend. She's not even the worst 7-drop. With smart play/timing she wins games on her own.
I'd still play her if I didn't take out my Windrunners. Now I only have 3 ways to dodge plasma storm instead of 4.
>>125985152
>mfw Breath of the Unborn would wreck my shit at all times but every Abysshit is running rush dicks with flamebloods, pulses and dark seeds
>>125985152
Jax only needs one turn to do the deed though. Pandora is slow as shit.
>>125985671
Jax also has way more cards that instantly deal with him. The point is you play smart when you suspect they have said removal. When I ran her I never ever put down Pandora against Magmar without a first wish, primus fist, or an unexhausted windrunner unless it was literally the only play to make or I lose.
I've done the same with Jax except sometimes you can take the gamble with the knowledge that if it pays off you win the game instantly.
I'm not arguing Pandora is better than Jax but that this thread shits on Pandora much more than is called for.Plus she's just plain fun to use.
>>125985671
You waste your entire turn by casting Jax turn 6 while the opponent wipes the board for less mana.
Any sneek peaks on December season rewards?
Why are vetruvian players so slow?
>>125985424
I really hate dark seed, 1 mana for a swing of 5 hp is even better than 3rd wish (3 for 9). It would be broken if it wasn't an abyssian card.
>have to go soon
>faggot lyonar is roping every turn
>>125987107
It's not dark seed, it's called void something.
They also have grasp of agony which is fucking amazing. 3 damage in AoE for 1 mana, easy as shit to use with that 4/1 rush too. People that lump them with vanar deserves to be shot, they just need better early minions.
>>125987468
>manage to TW him from 20 health on turn 6
AYY LMAO FUCK YOU SLOWPOKE-KUN
Does Duelyst have that regionlock bullshit or is it possible to play with everyone everywhere on the world?
>>125987550
I always fall for Grasp of Agony like a retard too. It rarely costs me games outright but it is troublesome.
>>125986167
Calculating skill points senpai
>>125989468
>Regionlock
Not to my knowledge.
>>125989859
Anon plz, I'm trying to nofap
And MERRY FUCKING SNOWCHASER YOU COCKS!
>>125990740
wait what, how did you get that emote?
>>125973975
>>125974040
Fuck lyonar
>>125992005
Christmas event, log in to get it
>>125990740
Nope, suffer
>>125990740
If you haven't noticed it's not november anymore
>>125975459
But 5+ doesn't have winstreaks
>>125993352
>log in to get it
didn't get anything ;_;
>>125997280
I guess they're handing them out over time then.
>tfw ditching deer from Vanar deck
I'm so sorry
>>125999970
Deer is garbage desu, he was my first lego too but I have no regrets. I made more Vet stuff with it.
>>126000235
>mfw mechaz0r vanar shits all over other vanar archetypes
And I spent my hard earned spirit on those fucking deers. At least aspect of the mountain is still more or less useful
>>126001559
It's the ONLY Vanar past gold. Thank god for Metamorph and Mana Burn though :^), I fucking hate memeazor. Fuck you, I'm not playing meme bones just for them, let them get fucked by lizard dick.
>>126001559
I mean I did enter Magical Christmas Land one time and had two Glacial Elementals with Deer out and was able to just shit all over the field but that's about it.
>pop jaxi
>it spawns right next to the enemy general
>still put mark of solidtude on it
>the enemy silences it next turn
Gold is a magical place
tfw no friends
>>126006984
I just played against a magmar that just removed everything and ignored every single threat. He played turn 4 emeral rejuvenator, turn 5 spirit harvester and turn 6 makantor. I thought that song hai was the one that didn't give a fuck about the grind.
I also learned that methamorphosis doesn't transform their minions. That's pretty fucking hilarious and I honestly can't believe how is allowed to exist. Someone will still think that it's perfectly fine.
But seriously, if the next patch doesn't fuck up magmar I give up on the game.
>>126006984
well if they havent seen solitude before I can see why they would try to dispell since it removes every single other attack increase in the game
>>126008169
>I just learned what methamorphosis does
I'm wating for the magmar and Vet nerfs as much as the next guy, but you just lost because you suck dick.
Gay guys never win
>>126009139
It makes no sense though. Plasma storm makes sense because it fucks up his minions too. Tempest makes sense because it hits everything. Anyone would think that meta should work in the same way, yet it doesn't.
>>126009754
Then why does fagmar always win?
There are so many things wrong with metamorphasis
Non targeting non destruction removal
Only affects your opponent
Lasts till the end of your opponents turn
Only 5 mana (egg hatch btfo)
Man I'm bored of winning, new cards when? Winning as songhai never feels satisfying either, if you draw the right things there's literally no stopping you.
For the people complaining about songhai (Myself included)
What would you change on the faction to make it more interactive and less Solitaire-based.
Personally I would like to see them losing burst, but gaining better consistency.
And put a fucking range on MDS holy shit make it like 3 spaces.
>>126011813
>And put a fucking range on MDS holy shit make it like 3 spaces
Mist shouldn't teleport at all. It has fucking mist in the name after all. It should give something like stealth to a minion, your minions cannot attack him now until he attacks first (spells can still target them), it fits the faction and everything, plus juxtaposition still exists. Now if you get teleported is your bad for having a minion right next to you.
Foxes chaged to 4/3. Now they have to survive a fucking turn if they want to deal damage.
Tusk still the same. They are strong but I don't give a fuck, I love them and one broken unit should be allowed in every faction.
Everything else is the same. Perhaps make widowmaker less shit and give that 8/8 something like venture co merc has in hearthstone.
>>126012984
And I forgot about this, now foxes spawn one next to the other. No more fucking RNG, and you can taunt both of them with a well placed silverguard knight or an ironcliffe
Haven't played in 2 months, is Abyssian still an OP piece of shit, because that's like 90% of my cards.
>>126014160
Nope, Abyssian is ailing right now. It's not Vanar levels at least.
Is Artifact Vetruvian viable?
>>126019926
It'll get you to platinum I'd say but I can't imagine you making it to S with it
>>126014160
>>126014536
Abyssian is fine, it's only bad, because Magmar is good.
>>126025415
Abyss can't contend with any of the other factions, not just magmar.
They lack a faction silence to deal with early Portal Guardians and rely on the now-unreliable ritual sacrifice or the too-slow dark transformation
They lack decent 2-drop tempo to deal with Lyonar's bullshit little 2- and 3-drop zeals
They lack any way to race or mitigate Songhai combo
They can fuck up Vanar decently well just because Vanar's main weakness is a lack of answers to aggro.
>>126026054
>They lack any way to race or mitigate Songhai combo
>Race
That's bullshit
>Mitigate
There's no way to mitigate Songhai bullshit in this game other than heal, and heal doesn't fit Abyss in the slightest. As things stand, Vet, Lyonar, and Magmar are all a nerf away from being in the same shit as Vanar and Abyss. Only Songhai is broken by design, because there's 0 fucking way to interact with their bullshit. If you nerf them, they'd be so unplayable, they would make current Vanar look godly. If you don't, they'll always be bullshit that ignore any board state and kill you regardless of any other factor once they collect their combo.
what is your opinion of kujata in control fagmar?, everytime I drop one it gets killed about 50% of the time the next turn, the same of that lego that gives rush
>Abbysian fuckboi puts his general next to all his low shit minions
>Bone swarm nowhere to be found
So what is it about this card that makes everyone except me not like it? The only reason I've seen is a dispelling guide on the forums that says it's terrible because it will always get dispelled, which is a dumb reason.
>>126035361
it would be super nice on an abysian swarm deck no ? i feel the same about grailmaster
>>126035361
Because you either end up placing stuff suboptimal to get the bonus, or place them optimally and ignoring the bonus anyway. and besides it's weakness to silence, movement spells/minions also pretty much shut it down completely.
>>126035518
I've been running it in Lyonar, actually. In a swarm deck it would be a bit awkward because summoning all of your swarm minions adjacent to it would generally be suboptimal, as opposed to Lyonar where all of your minions are getting summoned in the same general area except sometimes Ironcliffes.
>Grailmaster
It's weak to silence and removal, which is a much bigger issue on a 7-drop than a 3-drop. If it lives, a deck that is interested in having it will probably be able to activate it enough to get ranged and celerity the turn after. Very high ceiling, very low floor, and it doesn't do anything to affect the board immediately.
>>126035859
>weakness to silence
Which doesn't amount to much. If you silence it, it's a 3 mana 2/4. Those aren't good stats, but there aren't many minions at 3 mana that aren't poor if you silence them.
>>126035361
It's better than the likes of windrunner because you can combo into it. So it's more reactive than the likes of pandora or dark nemesis. However, if you use it on that turn and shove out low cost minions, then you eat a clear spell and lose it all. With rush minions you can get immediate value, I guess.
Feel free to try it on aggro magmar or abyssian, if you like.
What did you guys get out of your christmas loot crates
>>126039093
I fucking hate you
>>126039487I'm disenchanting both to craft my remaining Makantor Warbeasts
>>126039587
I don't give a shit, I already have x3 pumbas and x1 AotM, it's the fact that you got 2 legendaries what upsets me.
>>126039093
I got a Star's Fury, but that doesn't seem very impressive now.
>>125700162
Why game client is so shit?
Why they cannot make normal application that can be installed in normal directory?
Why this shit don't even ask me if I want freaking link on desktop?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>126041689
>this post was made by an 18+ y/o
"Mistakes were made" - Davesan, December 20, 2015
>tfw your only way to win was mechaz0r and now that you're gold lots of people pack crossbones
Now what am I supposed to do?
>>126042042
>I have nothing to say, but just pretend I'm somehow better
It's okay, we all do this sometimes.
>>126042882
I was going to tell you you're playing against a basic deck, but he also has Suntide Maiden so I don't know what the fuck is going on.
>>126043258
He doesn't have to pretend.
where do i find deck lists so i dont have to bother thinking for myself
>>126044171
i used prozacs tier list (just google for it)
what the point of referrals in this game?
>>126049090
I don't know what the guys with the referral code gets but if you make a new account with a referral code you get extra 100gold.
>>126049265
Give me code then.
>>126049992
You can go to the duelyst section of twitch and pick a streamer.CHU8 is a code if you're too lazy for that
>>126050135
Mommy told me never support streamers I don't know.thanks
>Finally playing Magmar with Makantor Warbeasts
Man this shit ain't even fair
>>126052907
Yeah, balancing-wise there is still a lot work to be done in this game It's still in the beta after all.Hopefuly it doesn't turn into a problem like in hs where it was like: It's just beta, they just released, they are working on new expansions that will fix the balance. etc.
>>126053190
I don't like Hearthstone for other reasons honestly but yeah hopefully things work out well for the game.
>Still no porn of pandora getting some dickwolf
Dead game for sure
I'm a complete shitter at this game. Could someone give me a nice vanar or abyssian deck?
>>126057453
>vanar or abyssian
found your problem
>>126057686
pls
I don't want to play the other factions, I don't like the way they look.
>>126057453
Here's my current rather cheap dick
It werks okay, currently rising through gold. You want to get board control through your efficient removals like Cryogenesis or a mark'd minijaxi, and eventually you just go face for 15 or something with a bunch of buffs.
It's kinda off tho so if some other Vanar player has some suggestions go for it
>tfw every match against vet turns into a ranged/blast battleI always win
>>126057453
My vanar deck, which has gotten me to diamond >>125759393
I wouldnt say spirit of the wild is ABSOLUTELY needed but it can be extremely clutch if you have to play it without mechazor
Best play in the deck is going first and dropping wings in front of them, everyone will call you a faggot but its worth it
3 best monsters in the deck are
Snowchaser
Fenrir
Canon of mechazor
>>126057453
fellow shitter-kin here (stuck at gold), but because we're posting vanar decks I might as well join in anyway
>just won a game against songay because I played sword of mechazor double snowchaser into spirit of the wild to clear his whole board
>adds me and tells me that was cheap as fuck
>>126060360
Other classes would need like one card for that
>>126060360
>songay has anything on the board
>>126061140
it wasmechazor songay
>fill my dekc with retarded shit to get abyss quest out of the way
>conceeding by turn 4
>actually winning against another abyss
>dont conceed
>play it out
>win with this deck in diamondI-I don't know what to feel guys
>playing against songhai
>barricade myself in a corner and heal for 20 minutes
>finish with elder slithar into fractal
>>126061928
Meh. I won with starter magmar once, and thanks to the fucking dragonlark of all things.
>>126039093
Loot crates? I havent received anything and Ive logged in and completed my quests
>enemy plays Jax Truesight
>can pretty much insta-concede as vanar cuz no good board clear
>>125969992
I like the Storm Aratha
>>126068069
Ive never lost to jax as vanar
idk I just always have the ability to clear with with hearthsister- hailstone- aspect etc
>>126064670
The devs are giving out gift boxes over time to players for Christmas containing a Snowchaser emote, 100 Spirit, and an orb.
still dont have a giftbox
>>126072889
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
>>126072889
Still no legos, it's been a week. Game is obsessed with dropping star fury though, it's the thid one in less than 4 days. It's funny because I crafted every single one of them from scratch and now I only have 1/3 of the cost..
>>125933605
Why doesnt this game have faction colorcoding instead of the lame text under the card?
>>126074304
It's just a beta ;)
>Game doing well on twitch
>more people learning about it
>/dyg/ is dead
Why
>>126074304
Cuz colors are 4kinds and fags
Patch notes when? I want to disenchant my fucking eldar.
>>126034907
>>126075708
Who's this girl? I've seen her a lot lately, but except osomatsu I'm pretty much ignoring this season.
>>126075708
>less than 100 streamers
>doing well
>>126075708
There isn't much to discuss / what hasn't been discussed so far. Only thing left to do is spam memes and "Look at this crazy play"-screenshots but the game isn't popular enough for that yet.
>>126076785
Well, the game is constantly at around 100 viewers with its peaks when more popular streamers play it, compared to the vast majority of twitch games that pretty decent.
>>126075708
No patches and according to that poll like half the people here are Vanar players
>>126076021
Haven't watched the second season but from what I remember from the first season it's Renge's older sister.
>>126076886
Anon, 100 viewers is extremely bad for a new game.
Even MMDOC had waaay more when it launched.
Le reddit has a draft tier list up. I don't play much Gauntlet, so I don't have much to say about it. Other people here play way more gauntlet so maybe they have some input.
>>126080401
How about you screencap for those of us who dont visit leddit.
>>126080469
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKJ5fjvwhchefhJcrQDOgRIwqaDKpj13PRstVyn7mG0/pub
>>126080469
not him but https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKJ5fjvwhchefhJcrQDOgRIwqaDKpj13PRstVyn7mG0/pub
>>126080674>>126080695
Thank you.
>>126076926
What? Why? They aren't even fun outside of generic value creatures like Fenrir, Hearth Sister, and Razorback.
>>126081387
When I first started I played with vanar and abyssion first since I thought the generals and their colors and stuff looked the nicest. I also got most cards for them.
i was dissapointed to hear that they were "bad", that tends to happen to me with every game. I see something nice and turns out it's shit.
>tfw stuck at rank 6 playing against S-tiers and climbing diamonds
>can't win enough because no cards
I'm too afraid to spend money on this game because it seems to be dying.
>>126082370
>seems to be dying
Nah, it's actually growing.
>>126081387
but the fun is that you have to be good instead of draw into some out of hand combo :^)
ded.
They seriously need to do something about that retarded looking lion statue in the upper right corner on the Lyonar board. That shit MS paint tier.
>>126084009
Slam dunking nerds with Star's Fury and Makantor Warbeast is the epitome of fun and skill
>>126088770
I'll slam dunk you if you keep talking shit
>tfw no qt314 buff barabf to fursuit with
>>126092687
Try it kid I'm behind 100 dervishes
>>126093835
username?
>>126094613
NerffieI'm not home right now but I wouldn't mind casuals from time to time.
vet is vanars best matchup T B H F A M
>22dec
>still no frostfire festival gift
>>126096418
Give it time, it's not even Christmas yet
>Make a conga line
>Vet concedes
Just gold division things.
>>126101415
>play artifact vet with paddo in diamond
>they make a conga line every time
>win
>be vanar
>all my units faces on the enemy wall
>win the game
>>126039093
Decent.
>want to make an abyss deck
>no cards beyond a bunch of commons and a reaper
Dunno why I threw spirit making holy immos. Lyonnar must be the most boring faction in the game and a game with them takes forever. When I'm missing getting BTFO with foxes you know that there's something wrong.
I wanted to make Prozac's Vetruvian deck, the one with 3 archon spellbinders.
Are they gonna nerf that card or Vetruvian staples soon or can i safely craft it and use the deck for a long time?
I'd like to invest spirit as wisely as possible.
Vet buffs when
>>126105846
Vet and Magmar nerfs are almost guaranteed if they do nerf anything. Prepare for Songay to dominate the ladder.
>>126106505
Songhai has been winning a good amount of tournies. I'd expect nerfs for them too, honestly.
Lyonar always has good showings and the community can't stop complaining about them so I'd expect them to get hit too
>>126107047
>>126106505
So how about buffing Vanar and Abyssian instead of knee capping everyone else.
![111008269e4cfabdaa5572295f07ea580e19abde59739[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/UDlghR5.png "111008269e4cfabdaa5572295f07ea580e19abde59739[1]"){kind=small}
>>126106505
Well, my favourite deck is Vetruvian, followed by Abyss and Magmar.
What deck would be the safest investment to farm victories and gold?
Is this deck good enough to farm ranked games? The forum thread says it sucks against magmar, any techs to make it viable against them as well?
>>126107494
Forum can go eat dick.
Not going to say that it's amazing, but it cancarry you to gold probably. Just exchange the regular obelysk for jaxis and the sand howlers for anal guardians when you get the.spirit.
>>126107328
I'd prefer that to some extent but wouldn't mind the game slowing down a little in general so I'd be fine with nerfs
>>126107328
Just give abyssian more sticky units like jaxi and we'll be fine.
I played this game like 2 months ago. Does the game have more cards now? I felt bad with the lack of cards desu.
Magmar mirrors are actually pretty fun
>>126107328
>lets give everyone tempest and plasma storm and rediculous removal because its FUN dont knee cap me bro!
nah
>>126115307
Who said they needed those things? Why not give them threats or answers in other ways.
>Shadow nova
Well excuse me for not keeping at least 1 square of distance between all of my minions
advice pls
Are you gold division? That's card for card the deck I just crushed with my healyonar.
>>126118512
Quoting is hard >>126118295
Claim your waifu.
>>126118512
Nah; I'm actually a few copies away from that build and am currently silver.
>>126118295
Take out the taunters
Put in jaxi
I've heard you get 100 gold from challenging a friend.
Anyone wanna be friends?
>Dark seed Abbysian
What is this Meme and why do they keep giving me free wins?
>>126119765
Hearthseeker.
God, those thighs.
Fucking stars fury
I wish I could join those overpowered fucks but I have no spirit
>>126122239
Don't worry man, they only show up 1 turn too late after the enemy moved himself into a better position or not at all.
>>126119765
>WAIFU
Husbando>Waifu.
>>126123406
He was my first legendary.
It was love at first sight.
>>126121546
I can just feel their hearts break through the screen when I take 2 sunny d's and drop a rejuvenator.
Really? Hit me up senpai, I need to craft legendaries to break the S pay wall.
>>126123406
>he
>lays eggs
>>126124294
Fucked up quoting again >>126120659
>>126124365
>Butthurt animefag
Forgot your avatar son
>>126124795
Man that wasn't even me and I just wanted some lizard cloaca.
>>126124795
What does males laying eggs have to do with anime?
>ANcient grove 1 and draug lord 2
Why does the game keep giving me vanar shit?
Are these any good?
>>126126645
Grove is decent, Draugar lord is absolute dogshit.
>>126127356
Why? He feels like quite a sticky minion with OK stats.
>>126125757
He means this
>>126126645
Dragaur Lord isn't great. It's not immediately threatening enough in constructed, he's just a big ass Jaxi. Costs too much for the impact and is too easily answered. In Gauntlet he's dangerous as hell though.
>>126126645
dragur lord is great in gauntlet but shit everywhere else
Is this shit newbie friendly? Is the first thing you're suppose to do is RANKED battle in something that looks like hearthstone's version of a rank 20 farm-fest?
So we're all agreed that archon spellbinder is next to be nerfed right?
>>125727912
>>125719014
>>125718762
>>125718372
We did it reddit
>>126130532
Rank 30-20 honestly can be achieved by just leveling up classes, it's really easy. Plus the game throws gold and packs at you.
>>126131138
Possibly. That card is dumb, it's huge and cheap and has no downside. Rather than killing its stats though a part of me wants to see its effect apply to both players to encourage more creature oriented decks but spells are so powerful in this game in general.
>>126118295
>all those heals and dispels
>rockies
>no artifacts
What are you, poor?
>>126131378
>spending money on a game that doesn't have a paywall
lol
>Make game about positioning
>Give a class 2 spells that are as cheap as possible that ignore any and all positioning, and make any defense worthless
Great design.
This card is so fucking goofy
>>126131378
swapped rockies out for jaxies, but man healing mystic is legit. why you hatin? I don't have any of the artifacts beyond the base one, which I'm not rly about to build around atm, so eh. what would you suggest in the way of changes then?
>>126119765
best waifu coming through
>>126123406FUCKIN' MAGIC> waifu > husbando
So i started playing recently I chose to go the path of the sand negro. How bad of a decision did I make as a new player?
>>126145505
do you like spending money on digital cards?
>>126145505
Worst faction without their expensive cards.
>Hit diamond with my 1 legendary Healyonar (Red Syn from lucky orbs)
>Every Songay has 3 Tusks, Spirals, and Heavens
>Every Vet has Jace Truesights Sight, Ayys, and combo
>Other Lyonar have Lady Locks, Elyx, Spellbinders, and Regalia
>Every Magmar has Metamorphs and Elders
>Every Vanar has an all legendary/epic deck aside from the mechazor parts and fenrirs/removals
How the fuck are you supposed to compete? This doesn't even have Hearthstone's excuse of the legendaries and epics being bad, the high rarity cards are ridiculously overpowered in this game.
Just started, is this pack as good as it looks?
Been playing the warlock/zerg class so idk if these are actually useful
>>126148948
Holy
Shit
Jax Truesight is good as hell, Abyssian can use it well due to Soulshatter Pact. Artifact Hunter and Frosthorn Rhyno are meh but you can dust those for two Shadowdancers right there. Paddo is also so-so but he's 350 dust. You've gotten a lot of dust there to get some basic stuff for your deck.
Elucidator blowouts feel so good
>>126153363
Know what feels better?Twin Fang blowouts.
>>126153660
I have yet to get one. Or Elders for that matter, I've just been riding on Makantor and Elucidator cheese. Most of my time has been spent developing Vetruvian.
>>126155421
Both of them don't always work, but when they do, they are game winning. Makantor and Elucidators always work though. Rush is so cheese
>>126156110
Yeah it is, especially with fucking Flash Reincarnation
I sure hope they fix Abyssian next week.
>>126150026
Is there a website for basic decks anywhere that I can netdeck from?
Is the website in the OP any good?
>>126161364
Yeah it's fine, helps you organize your decklists in a presentable way too.
>>126160045
I hope they add some more features.
>>126137675
I would say this card is definitely sleeper op, no one realizes it because cards like makator and metamorphosis
http://duelystdb.com/squad/community_decks?build=MTozMDEsMzozMTAsMzozMTEsMzozMTcsMzozMTgsMzozMTksMzozMDAwNSwzOjE5MDUyLDE6MjAwNTcsMToxMDk2MCwzOjIwMDcyLDM6MjAwNjEsMzoyMDEzMSwzOjEwMDE3LDI6MTkwMzQsMToxOTAzMiwxOjEwOTYz
Does this deck look passable?
I'll probably craft some more ritual banishings once I get the spirit
And add that global buff once I play some more games
>>126164287
The thing that keeps this back is that 2 damage is very relevant, the fact that it hits your own minions ends up hurting you in the long run.
>>126164751
You dont actually have to commit anything to the board while this is out because he is a huge beatstick
Once they remove him you can put monsters down again, not that 2 damage means anything to most of magmars units
>tfw opened like 10 or more packs without a single legendary
I restarted the game in hopes of getting the christmas orb and I got it, also got 2 legendaries from it. Are they any good?
>>126164739
>young flamwing
>firespitter
>rogue warden
>bloodtear alchemist
if you HAVE to use a ranged minion make it sworn avenger
>>126167671
lady locke can be used in some decks
Osirix may become usable in the future, but right now amayylmao healer is far more disgusting
>>126167772
Lady locke looks like she would be pretty good with abyssian since they have all those little cost creatures and stuff
>>126167703
Ranged seemed pretty good with the starting cards, idk
Got Shoulshatter pact and reworked the list a little bit, does this look better?
http://duelystdb.com/squad/community_decks?build=MTozMDEsMzozMTAsMzozMTEsMzozMTcsMzozMTgsMzozMTksMzozMDAwNSwzOjE5MDUyLDM6MTAwMjAsMzoyMDA3MSwxOjIwMDU3LDE6MTA5NjAsMzoyMDA3MiwzOjIwMDYxLDM6MjAxMzEsMToxMDk2Mw==
>>126167882
the mana cost is too prohibitive to make her a 'swarm amplifier'
she's got ok synergy with Jaxi, and can be a 3rd wish substitute for le 7 mana WHEN WILL THEY LEARN, but that's about it
>tfw copied an abyssian deck from the forums and after that I won 6 games in a row, then lost 3, then won 3 and lost one and now in a 8 win streak
It feels good to win, I only recently started to play and I'm almost rank 10
>>126148431
>Lady Locke in Lyonar
Wait, is this a thing? Because I cut Locke from my Lyonar list for not being good enough.
>>126169406
I wouldn't play her in lyonar. mirkblood is probably bettr in her spot.
>>126148431
The game is fun until you reach high gold/low diamond. You might as well stop playing at that point though.
>the devs are literally paying hearthstone streamers to play the game
well...its gonna blow up boys
>>126170753
This is a good idea desu
blizzdrones are easily manipulated
>songhai
literally just fuck my shit up
what is a must have legendary
t-thanks
I made a shit deck plea rate
>>126173801
>No martyrdom
>No tempest
>Only one Sun Bloom
>3 Auryn Nexus
I rate this poorly.
discuss
>>126174339
second best vanar card
>>126173801
>3 aryan nexus
You trying to turn divine bond into a 4 mana combo or something goy?
>sword of mechazor
>inner focus
>mist dragon seal
>killing edge
J U S T
U
S
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I hope the inevitable Archon Spellbinder nerf cuts it down to something like 6/9 or 7/7 instead of 5/6 like I've seen suggested.
>>126178717
The fact that it would still see play at 5/6 shows just how reliant on spells the metagame is
>>126179206
>5/6 for 6
doubt.png
>>126179290
>thinks people wont play the best anti meta floodgate in the game
>>125705453
What if it just spawned on the spot it died in? It would remove the RNG and it would nerf the card since the mini-jax would be much easier to deal with then. I'd miss using Jax Truesight to "silence" it though but that interaction is hardly interesting enough to warrant RNG
>>126105915
Step up, senpai.
>>126184598
>not even turn 4
>>126184990
I've gotta make an aggro deck and shit on people with TW, but I can't seem to pick the right cards so I'm running a classic sf/tw/rejuv/ayamara deck.
Shockmaster: 3 mana 1/3, Arcanyst
Opening Gambit: Put ZAP in your hand
ZAP: 1 mana, deal 2 damage
If you have a Shockmaster in play, add Zap to your hand at end of turn
Arcanyst that's immune to dispels and actually does something useful the turn it's played.
>>126186735
>Number:16Shockmaster
>0 mana
>You have to tribute 3 monsters with the same mana cost to play this card
>Once per turn you can call Spells. Minion effects, or artifacts.
>Your opponent cant activate those cards until your next turn.
Need suggestions for a golem deck based on p2w vet. I feel like it's the only thing that will shit on Magmar.
>>126189281
>Ruining him
breeders OUT.
OUT.
REEEEE.
>>126189291
Lyonar, 3 Vanquishers, 3 Metallurgists, 3 windblades and knights, 3 of the cheap golems( blood, ice, mud), 2 of the expensive golems (moss, metal) , removal, heals, Divine Bonds, Elyx, and Regalia.
>>126189956
What part of based on Vet did you not understand? I dusted every single class card other than Vet and I think I have 1 golem-related rare.
>>126190124
>>126189956
Instead of DB damage I'll use TW and primus fists.
>>126190124
You want to play a golem deck without golem cards? Vanquisher (legendary) IS the golem deck, literally nothing else matters. If you don't have 3 of it, then you don't have a golem deck.
Class would obviously be best as Lyonar and Magmar, because they have the best heal and removal. But, anything else would work (maybe not songay and abyss) if you play the control style cards available to the faction.
>>126190124
>dusted everything other than vet
>wants to make a golem deck
>>126190432
So the main feature is giving all your units provoke with vanquishers? I thought metallurgists are the flavor, allowing to shit out big guys early on.
>>126190437
I may just as well make another account for Lyonar if it's the most effective faction to utilize golems. Worked well for me when I made a Songay account and got a whole bunch of legos and epics from orbs and puzzle gold.
>>126190610
That's honestly the best way to make specific decks. There's a lot of free gold and orbs, so abuse new accounts for new decks.
>>126190756
I'll have to climb the same ladder thrice tho for those useless season rewards. I just want to have fun.
>>126190610
vanquisher for small ones, metallurgist for big ones. never put two of either down at the same time.
>>126190815
>Climb
Everything up to rank 5 is free. Rank 5 is the paywall, well sometimes you get p2w shitters who drop to gold, but they usually don't stay there long.
>>126190906
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
>>126190973
There are fagzillas in every division.
>>126190994
just gonna clear up what i meant
vanquisher gives all your golems an extra flat amount of value, which is much better for small ones than big ones. the effect doesn't stack and it's better to just replace him as opposed to have two out.
if you have two metallurgists in hand you'll generally want to play one, then play the other along with the fattie you drop next turn. unless you can drop all 3 at once in which case do that, because it forces two removals minimum.
Will someone be my friend and play me really quick. New, want to get that free pack.
>>126192126
Add me, FGDSmaster.
>>126192126
Right here senpai. Pepper your angus though, I have a good deck.
>>126192235
Not gonna wait anymore, back toosu!.
Is there any place that spells out step-by-step how to beat these challenges?
Also how's Abyssian deck? I got some okay cards for it I think
>>126192723
Youtube
Abyssian, since Sarlac nerf, has only 2 archetypes: retarded facerush with assassins, soulshatters, shadowreflections and dark seeds and a survive-till-turn7-then-shit-out-creep deck.
>>126192860
Got any abyssian decklist so I can base it off? So far I'm just throwing in whatever I have and experimenting if it sticks
>>126193016
I used to play Sarlac Abyss and switched to a different faction after the nerf. You'd be better off browsing the official forums for starter decks as well as specialized stuff.
0-4 = 2 Portal guardians
5-9 = Aymara
>>126191126
That's because the shit is fun.
>>126193183
Ok thanks, and how's Magmar? Theorb I just opened gave me two Magmar cards with yellow and white smokeonthem when they appeared, so I assume I got something good, where the hell do you check a cards rarity anyway?
>>126196194
triangle in the centre
comms are white, rares blue, ebins purple and legos orange
>>126196194
Magmar is the #1 candidate for nerfs next season, which is in 10 days. Their basic cards shit on most of everything while rares/epics/legendaries is just an icing on the cake.
Also: white: common(40 to craft, disenchanting gives 10), blue: rare(100 / 40), purple: epic (350 / 100), legendary (900/300).
>>126196427
legos DE for 350, not 300
>>126196696
Yeah, my bad.
>>126196343
>>126196427
Ah that's nice then, it was a legend "Silithar Elder"
How much salt can it generate in 10 days and how to build the salt mine?
>>126196830
You'd be better off seing if it gets hit by the nerfs. If it does, then you have 900 spirit instead of 350 to craft something else. If by any unholy reason fagmar is still OP you'll just use it in the deck.
If you're new you should do all the pzzles as well as level up all factions to 11, using default decks or making your own.
Can I post my deck here asking for help and recommendations?
>>126197938
Obviously
>>126197938
Go ahead
Make sure to explain your reasoning if you have some jank cards
>300 gold for achievement
Well shit. 500 in the bank now, can't wait to lose everything in gauntlet tomorrow
>Click play
>"Abys...
How does gauntlet work? I see it'll open in half a day, is it anything a begginer can use to get some money
>>126199343
Second worst faction
>>126199497
What's the worst?
>>126199495
its hearthstone arena
Its been speculated that ending your gauntlet run at 7 wins is the best time/gold investment since the rewards dont scale very well after 7.
>>126200119
Don't listen to him. Magmar control and One-turn-kill Songhai are the worst.
>>126200119
Undoubtedly vanar
They were added in as a stretch goal or something so it makes sense they didnt get thought through as well as other factions
>>126200179
I never played heartstone
>>126200482
Its draft play
>win game
>one moment...
whyyyy
I think most of the cards are pretty standard. What probably stands out the most are the Dancing Blades, but they've done their job decently. Needed more minions in my deck, and the blades offered somewhat big bodies in combination with free instant damage to finish off threats or instantly remove smaller creatures. On top of that they were really cheap to craft. I don't like the Egg Morph though. It's been performing under expectations every match.
Tried Flash Reincarnation but it was just dead in my hand most games as I don't have any good high mana minions to go with it. The fact that half the deck is spells gave it even less synergy so I just removed it. Other notable cards I've tried but underperformed with are Twin Fang, Diretide Frenzy, Primus Fist, Lady Locke and Saberspine Tiger.
Thinking about testing 1-2 Crossbones and 1-2 Adamantite Claws because I don't know what else to put in that I can afford with my 300 spirit.
Started playing a week ago and I want to keep climbing. Back then I thought I'd never even get close to silver, but now I've been so close to diamond I could taste it, and I'm hoping you guys to help me get there.
>>126200482
You pick a faction then assemble a deck from a random pool.
You then face people who also built their decks the same way. If you get to 12 wins or 3 losses, you're out. Rewards scale with how many wins you lasted, and you get an extra gauntlet ticket at 7.
I'm too lazy to do the math again, but gauntlet gives a strictly better return on gold invested than buying orbs directly even if you go 0-3, so never buy orbs. Ever.
Magmar is retarded
>>126202490
>so never buy orbs
Well too fucking late for that advice, how much gold do I have to save for it?
>>126203051
He's memeing on you. Hard.
That shit is only good if you enjoy it or you're good at it, good players spew this miss-info all the time since they need shitplayers to play there so they can keep winning.
>>126202094
Pretty solid overall. Dancing Blades is a great budget creature so don't feel bad about it.
Plasma Storm can probably be left at 2x I'd say. Natural Selection definitely can. Egg Morph does its job in control MU but metamorph is just a more retarded version of it.
A lot of people here like to shit on Earth Sphere but the HP swings can be pretty game changing. I'd say you're fine unless you're really strapped for more room.
I never felt like Primordial Gazer was terribly worth the deck space so I'd look for replacements. Greater Fortitude is a maybe but I like it a little more than Gazer.
Always need more Makantor. I'd say up for either more of those or an Elder to really close out long games.
I'd say you could make do with 3x of at least one more 2-drop. Having only 6 cards to open with turn 1 is really inconsistent. I'd say Magmar midgame is strong enough to not need 12, but 9 will help your tempo quite a bit. Primus Fist or Jaxi are the go-tos for the 2-drop slot.
Lady Locke got nerfed so pretty much just vanar and sometimes abyss run her. Saberspine is strong but doesn't fit into any deck. Diretide Frenzy is inconsistent but very strong when it works. Twin Fang can be a monster. Flash Reincarnation is mostly for early Elders or emergency Magantors or Spirit Harvesters so I'd say you're fine leaving them out until you pick up more of those.
Crossbones is decent now that everyone's running Jaxi. Adam Claws don't impress me that much anymore.
>>126203818
>I'd say up for either more of those
Save up for more of those, rather. They're pretty crucial no matter how you're playing Magmar.
>On a 7 game win streak, looking to break old streak record
>Queue up
>Disconnected
>Streak lost
>>126204573
I just want to get to around 6 or 7 so I can snipe Brian Kibler when he streams.
>>126204890
Forgot pic
>>126204890
Sniping is ridiculously easy in this game. I ran into the same guy in Gold division 4 times in a row.
>>126205634
Didn't even know this existed, neat.
>>126205634
Also holy shit I've only played Songhai once to get the achievement for playing all of the factions, what the hell?
>>126205821
>51 wins
>Thinking about all of the dicking around I did just to level up classes when I could have been getting good
Sad boys
>>126203818
>Plasma Storm
I thought the same thing originally, but after trying it at 3 I always had it when I needed it, and it has won me so many games at 3 that I've started to like it at that number. I do find myself swapping it out more than any other card in the deck though, so maybe you have a point. The same goes for Natural Selection, but using two on the same turn is sometimes really good.
>Earth Sphere
I was skeptical at first, but 2 feels solid. I swap it out a lot, but only when I'm in a good position anyway, so I feel it does its job well. Makes the Songhai match-ups easier.
>Primordial Gazer
I fully agree with you, but I just don't know what to put in instead. Can't put in more Fortitudes after all, and Magmar have no better 3-drops.
>Makantor
Like I said, I'm really strapped for spirit. Gonna craft them in time, but I'm looking for cheap cards to fill out the deck first hand.
>More 2-drops
Tried it before and wasn't getting very good results, but I guess I can try it again. Is Jaxi actually good in Magmar? I feel like there's very little synergy.
What commons/rares do you recommend to put in besides the 2-drops?
I remember reading something about achievements, wherein game can I look them up?
>>126206186
What's the reward for playing/leveling all factions? I wanted to focus on 1 faction til I got a decent deck. Since Elyx was my first legendary, I went with Lyonar.
>>126206497
level each to 11 and get one orb for every faction.
>>126202094
>twin fang, diretide, and saberspine underperformed
Twin fang was always one of my MVPs and saberspine diretide is your budget makator
I dropped gazer because lolnotargets most of the time and fortitude is just better
If you need a 3 drop that goes in everything sworn avanger is great imo
Jaxi could give you more gazer targets, I know mark of solitude on mini jax makes people auto concede sometimes
>>126206551
Well, fuck. Concedes and losses don't count for levels, right? How the fuck am I winning with starter decks at diamond? I can barely win with my best deck.
>>126206931
You should've done that in silver. The earler you get orbs the more legos you get anyways.
>>126206497
An orb for each faction, plus playing each faction at least once gets you a legendary card. For the record my most played factions are Vetruvian, Magmar, and probably Vanar. Even if Vanar is shit, I fucking love Razorback, plus most of that was just me struggling to get it to 11 anyway, I dropped it like hot coals after and only use the deck to play with newcomer friends.
>>126202094
Primordial Gazer is awful, I literally just took it out of my deck to replace with Jaxis. Jaxi is just a good card in general to play early on an empty board, which was something I was lacking outside of Young Silithar.
>>126206931
Concedes and losses do count for levels, so long as you actually tried. There's a quota of minions played to reach and you have to move your general around some.
>>126205821
>51 wins
>24 streak
Power the fuck down anon.
>>126207064
>>126206828
Alright. I'll cut the Gazer and throw in some Jaxis instead. Anything else?
>>126206828
Twin Fang just felt like a situational win harder card. It can be ridiculous, but more often than not I just wished it was something else. Also, I know the tiger + frenzy does Makator's job (and equally well too), but unless you run multiples of both cards then you just end up with really inconsistent results, and I'm not willing to run multiples of either again. Felt awfully cloggy.
>>126203528
Probability distribution of cards in an orb, taking into consideration a guaranteed rare+:
C - 42.48%
R - 40.27%
E - 11.5%
L - 5.75%
Total worth of an average orb in terms of spirit: 220
This means 100 gold = 220 spirit, so you need to get 110 spirit from Gauntlet to break even.
So I was wrong, you need 1 win to outdo straight up opening packs. Wowie.
>>126205634
>>126205821
>>126207093
>all these gauntlet shittersgauntlet is true skill:^)
Since we're posting profile screens, why not?
>playing gauntlet at all
>>126206309
Even if you're strapped I'd still recommend saving for more Makantors. They're just disgustingly vital. Plasma Storm at 3 is acceptable but I'm really not a fan of 3 Nat Select but if it works it works.
Jaxi is good in anything. The synergy doesn't matter. It's a sticky body that trades well and can keep pumping out consistent value with good RNG on spawn. Slap a Fortitude on it and the enemy is locked out of 2-drops until they deal with it.
Primus Fist just sort of helps you trade up more than anything.
You could also consider Rock Pulverizers but if you're sticking to 3 Nat Selects I wouldn't.
If you're specifically looking for 3-drops there aren't a whole lot to write home about. Sworn Avenger gets decent value. Wind Runner can set up strong boards. Mirkblood is similar but a legendary. Saberspine comes with good versatility as pseudo-removal or a game ender but might not have the stats you're looking for. Crossbones deals with all the jaxis running around on ladder with added benefit against Heartseekers and Mechaz0r. Alcuin Loremaster can be very useful and versatile.
If it doesn't have to be a 3-drop then Spirit Harvester is extremely strong. Twilight Sorc has a good body and effect. Zen'rui if you see a lot of Vet. I feel people underrate Sworn Defender.
Either Twin Fang or Adam Claws can work in that slot too.
>>126208305
I stopped doing gauntlet before they upped the max wins to 12. Don't enjoy it enough to go back and try to go for it now. I have all the cards I really want so not even financially incentivized.I got rank 0 in September but that was the first month they were doing season rewards I think and it glitched and gave me rank 13 rewards.
If you can't abuse flash as a fagzilla you don't deserve to be in diamond.
There were like 4 turns where he could play something OP that I couldn't have dealt with.
>>126208492
Alright. Thanks for all the feedback. Did not expect to get this much good information considering how little I usually get when asking for the same thing in other threads on this board.
>>126209665
I'll happily help anyone who doesn't resort to direct netdecking.
The important thing for any player is knowing why they run each card they run.
>>126208964
Is it worth going for s rank from diamond? What are the rewards?
>>126208305
I don't like limited formats
>>126209452
Speaking of Flash Reincarnation, what if Crystal Wisp just functioned as a ritual? Instead of Dying Wish, it just has an opening gambit giving you 4 mana to play with for that turn (2 mana refunding the cost and 2 more for whatever you want to do).
>>126209965
350 more spirit in a form of a random legendary apart from the season one.
>>126210078
it would still be shit because vanar combos are pretty much glaciar elemental + bonechill which is shit.
t. the best vanar player in this thread
>>126209965
S-rank gets one of each of the new monthly cards, a random legendary, and some gold and spirit.
I /believe/ Platinum gets one of each new month card, and I assume some lesser amount of gold/spirit. Not 100% sure. They might just get one of the legendary new cards instead of one of each.
Up to you to decide.
>tfw filthy silvers on your meme list
>>126211364
But anon, silvers make good friends.
![[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 12 [CE467799].mkv_snapshot_18.02_[2015.12.21_19.53.25].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oadkEbI.jpg "[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 12 [CE467799].mkv snapshot 18.02 [2015.12.21 19.53.25]")
Alright fellas, we made it, let's move on.
>>126211724
>>126211724
>>126211724
>>126211724
>>126211364
I honestly have no idea how can you be silver unless if you're new or retarded. I started to play recently and kept winning one game or two, then losing one game or two. Then I looked up a good deck and started consistently winning lots games. Best win-streak so far is 8, got gold very quick.
![[Chuunibyou Intensifies].png](https://i.imgur.com/VFZHdEd.png "[Chuunibyou Intensifies]")
