Don't You Bastards Die On Me Edition
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>What is DUELYST?
DUELYST is a competitive strategy card game focused on tactical combat, squad building, and ranked ladder play.
>Play in Chrome
http://beta.duelyst.com/
>Client Download
https://updates.counterplay.co/launcher
>Squad Builder
http://duelystdb.com/
>Forum, Announcements...
http://forums.duelyst.com/
>Faction overview, guides and general information
http://duelyst.gamepedia.com/Getting_Started
First for how did they let jaxi be a card
>game growing
>more and more viewership on twitch
>/dyg/ is dying
why
>>125700793
Eh, I don't mind Jaxi as much as something like Piloted Shredder. At least the threat of the Mini-Jax is pretty consistent.
>>125703020
I don't know, feels bad.
>>125700793
I would like it if the Mini-Jax spawned in a more consistent way, but I don't think there's a good way to achieve that.
>>125703020
It requires being part of vg and duelyst, meaning that if only duelyst user base is growingif it is, they must be coming from elsewhere. So where is it?
>tfw you destroy an elder and its egg by buffing your own rebirth egg and giving it fury
goddamn that felt good
>still no magmar nerf
>still no vanar buff
>>125709459
Vanar are broken in concept. Either their minions are reasonable and they get shat on, or they have obscene statlines/persistent effects and they're ovepowered as fuck.
>>125707876
>tfw you made a mega panndo by buffing it to hell and back and giving it perma spellshield
What if the blood stains last until the end of the game?
That way in the end the battlefield will look like a real war field
>>125711380
should I suggest this in the forums?
will you tardos support it actually?
>>125711586
>>125711380
That sounds dumb and pointless honestly.
I think I just went vs the "I summon more weenies" guy from yesterday
he literally did nothing beside summon a bunch of weenies and deathwatcher
I won against him because lol sarlac vs weenies and lol stars fury
So do you think we will see healing card nerfs across the board and archon nerfs next patch?
Healing minions have absolutely no drawback and archon is fucking retarded. People would still run it if it was a 5/6.
>>125714845
The abundance of healing is a direct consequence of how high burst damage is right now. Healing Mystic should not have 3 HP though.
You anime nerds need to find new images, this general is too dead for you to be posting the same image over and over
>>125703364
Especially you, your waifu is shit
>>125717396
What if I told youI'm probably all of them because this general is dead as fuck. I've even made 3 of the last four threads, including this one.
>>125717648
I bet you waifupost on /blaz/ too.
>>125717648
Let it die, they really need to put out something new next patch, or atleast nerf some shit. Shake the game up.
>>125717959
Actually I don't, I haven't been into BB for a while because ArcSys hates the states and will jump back into it once BBCPEX comes to steam.I even talked about this in the thread.
>>125718110
Probably. Hell even I've been taking the game slowly and have just been playing a few a night to slow-climb. I started just a couple of weeks or so ago and figured I could jump straight to at the very least Diamond this month but I think I burned myself out from Faction leveling. I'll just end up trying to binge in the final week to no avail. Fuck I haven't even made Gold yet, terrible.
>>125717648
I don't even play this game, I was just scrolling the page and saw this post.
I admire your passion, anon. Just wanted to say have a Merry Christmas.
>>125718372
Thats just for this month, right? If not you have far too much passion for you suck dick atprobably because the game is far less fun the better you get, like most card games
>>125718529
Same I guess. For what it's worth I did manage to get five or six others playing the game.I have created two Songhai players. I am sorry.
>>125718762
Well, the main reason I haven't climbed is that much of my time was spent leveling classes, and now I just play one or two games a day. I could probably get to Gold before midnight if I started playing now though. I don't really fault the game itself for my burnout though, I'm like this with everything I play. I'll get excited initially before just crashing and burning and then I spend my free time staring at my screen instead of actually doing things.
Why are the bonechill walls considered a Vespyr? It doesn't say it anywhere on the card.
>>125720913
It does though.
>>125720913
Bruh
Kibler streaming the game right now. 6.5k viewers
which faction is the most removal resistant?
vanar?
>>125725669
Lyonar is the only faction that can grant spell immunity
Its not commonly run but its not terrible, just be wary of silence
>>125725669
>any faction
>resistant to removal in this game
kek
The answer is Songhai since you haveno minions. Tusk boar is a walking phoenix fire and lantern fox is usually only used on lethal turns.
>>125725669
elder is probably the most sticky minion in the game
>>125725443
>Kibler just hit Gold
Shit I should start climbing.
>>125727304
He is playing magmar though
>>125725443
Good advertising for duelyst.I'm still waiting for the day Kibler slips up and forgets to hide his dragon dildos before starting his stream.
>>125727816
So what, I play Vetruvian. Like I said I don't really play enough to climb, I'm14right now.
I've only watched others play this game.
That one card, Fenrir Beastmaster or something, the 3 mana 3/3 that summons a 3/3 on death, that shit seems insane.
>>125722329
I was looking at the minion after it was summoned.
>>125728156
It is, it's probably the best 3 drop in a vacuum. The faction it is exclusive to is really weak though.
>decided to play Vet when joining
>pick up Vanar
>it's pretty fun
isn't it considered a weak faction? it's a shame, the design with all those ice-themed minions is pretty cool too
>>125728156
its balanced because its a vanar card
>Pandora in Magmar
Kibler please
>>125717648
Keep making these threads. I was on my way to the Dota 2 thread to see if they had any custom game stuff when I saw this game my friend told me about but failed to mention TACTICAL COMBAT!
I'm enjoying this game so far in that I have to use my brain more here than I do in Hearthstone.
>Watching Kibler play instead of playing the game
I have become what I hate most.
>>125730410
Will do, hope you keep having fun.
>>125734763
>>Watching Kibler play instead of playing the game
>I have become what I hate most.
Don't worry, it's just the natural course of evolution. The path of least resistance always wins.
>>125735072
Well I just won a Vet mirror and made the other guy ragequit with a sicknasty super skillful Star's Fury+Third Wish play so we're off to a good start.
games are so fun sometimes
![[Chuunibyou Intensifies].png](https://i.imgur.com/VFZHdEd.png "[Chuunibyou Intensifies].png")
>Portal Guardian turn 1
>Songhai opened with Kaido Assassin, and plays some 4/3 on his next turn
>Star's Fury on turn 2, kill all of his dudes and swing for 7 damage
>He instantly concedes
>>125735982
how do you guys get legos so fast ? gaunlet wins ? I only have like 3
>>125739408
Dusting everything I don't want from all other factions (except Magmar) and crafting them. I pulled Aymara Healer and Archon from packs, as well as a few epics. I have purchased packs though, about 16 bucks worth. Plus the game does throw packs and free epics/legos at you when you complete quests so make sure to do as many as you can.
>>125739862
i was thinking ib dusting all the ebins i got for an elder, it would really help the climb for rank 10, but i was a bit unsure of it i guess, seems a bit too extreme, but i will give it a shot, packs have been shit this week
>>125728429
its not that its weak, vanar minions are "sticky" but weak, and vanar spells need minons, even the removal ones
>Lose to a Vanar running Ash Mephyt
Darkest Timeline
>>125741710
I used to think that card was the shit back when I played abyss in bronze
then I started playing against people who were level 10
>>125740606
Their only sticky minions are blue goblin and fenrir
Everything else dies horribly to LOLAOE
>fucking around in the lower ladder
>can't really do much with a mostly basics deck, but hoarding dust from my gauntlet runs
>finally drop around 1600 dust on Lyonar
>3x Holy Skillation, 3x Airdrop Fatso, and rounding out some playsets of commons and a rare here and there
>25 wins a row
>now rank 9
I think I fucked up, but at least you only have to play games with a faction, not win. I think that might explain a few of the insta-concedes I've seen - they care less about their ladder ranking and more about just knocking their quest out instantly.
>>125741710
does ash mephyt work like meme fox does?
>>125742953
In what sense?
Viability? No
Random spawn of the minions? Yes.
>>125742953
Yes except the Fox has Celerity. This is important.
So I really like the art style of this game and enjoy magic the gathering, moreso than fucking hearthshit. Is this game more or less of a money/time sink than hearthstone?
>>125749031
Yes and no. Legendaries are more in-demand and there is no hard cap on how many of each you can have in a deck like in Hearthstone, but crafting costs per card are cheaper and the game practically throws gold, packs, and free cards at you anyway so it's easy to quickly get much of what you want for anything other than Vetruvian. Plus having tons of cards don't really make up for being an idiot.
>>125745232
its not even broken
third wish is the problem
>>125752126
Dude I just posted that to bump the thread.I play Vet.
almost done dling the game, what am i in for?
>>125752514
Lyonar - White Weenie
Songhai - [Teleports Behind You]
Vetruvian - ISIS Mechs
Abyssian - Demon Whores
Magmar - Muscle Lizards
Vanar - Ice Hipsters
>>125752748
Ice is best
>>125752748
Do you unlock shit for doing all the tutorial stuff?
>>125753912
There's several hundred gold embedded in the challenges. Save it for Gauntlets Wednesdays and Saturdays. Don't buy plain old packs, even going 0-3 in Gauntlet you have decent odds of coming out ahead with >150 gold worth of dust (which is a huge reason to just dive on in and start getting introduced to the entire cardlist by way of getting slapped silly with it).
After doing all the challenges (and at least make an effort to analyze each challenge for a few minutes before looking up the solution) and 20 constructed games you should have a decent idea of how the game plays out. You'll get BTFO your first few gauntlets, probably, but you'll learn about the cards of the game much, much faster than you would inching up the ladder wading around in a kiddie pool full of basics.
Once you've burned through all your initial quest and challenge gold on gauntlets and are down to poverty income, that's when you devote your time "playing" this game to reading about it to learn about babby's first constructed deck. Protip from >>125742820: Lyonar probably have the most viable cheap deck that has a punch against upper tier decks. 3x Tempest (basic) and 3x Holy Immolation (epics, but the only epics in the deck that you "need") will claw you back so many games it isn't even funny. Even the top tier lists seem to only play one Lyonar legendary (an admittedly great artifact, but not gamebreaking to lack) and the positions of neutral legendaries are hotly debated and serve mainly as anti-metagame tech/hate rather than being integral to the deck's overall design.
I can post list if you want later. It only runs three epics (the Holy Immolations) and the rest are commons and rares.
>>125725669
Two Vanar minions
3 Magmar minions
Songhai doesn't normally use board presence, if you are in a position where you want to use it his job is already done
Most divine bond lyonar minions survive removal
Vetruvian has star's fury which doesn't care about removal, portal guardian survives removal
Obviously this doesn't take into account silence. By removal I mean tempest or plasma storm. Nothing survives metamorphosis + plasma storm. Everything else isn't used much.
Basically as long as you don't play abyssian you have options.
Actually, abyssian gets the rush assassin. That's about it. Most people aren't desperate enough to pull out either board clear against shadowdancer with wraithlings.
>>125755381
Wait, magmar has 2 rush minions, increase that count.
>tfw i made it to diamond, but i don't want to dust any faction so my decks get rekt simply because others have 3+ legos while none of my decks does
>>125754472
I lost one game to a disconnect because shitty campus wifi.
I'm still climbing, god-knows-how-much with zero actual "losses" since Rank 19 with this thing. Maybe I'm just getting lucky and avoiding people with all the actually pimped out decks, although I have been seeing multiple legends here and there.
>>125756769
fuck, forgot pic
>Alternate magmar is still a guy
>Bara muscly old man
Who here /bara/?
>>125756769
Hitting gold is piss easy. Rank 10 is the cutoff point for 'I have no idea what I'm doing' vs 'I'm famiiar with the basic mechanics of a CCG'. Getting from 10 to 5 is the most fun because you'll mostly win by outplaying your opponent. 5-0 the skill gap is much smaller and it depends on what you run, you'll need a strong meta deck to hit S-rank.
>>125757003
me
>>125756902
Right after posting this I got BTFO'd by a Scion's Third Wish deck. Pretty much nothing I could do, I hardmulled into a hand of nothing and suddenly I was covered in +9'd dudes.
Quick! Post yourvanardecks!
>>125758263
>>125759393
>No draw
>Mech
????
>>125759393
faggot
>>125759409
Dont need draw because you can play snowchaser forever
>>125759437
I have no vanar legos how else would I have gotten to diamond?
>Only way to protect against spells only works against TARGETED spells
>even then manaburn still gets through
>still get blown up by all the aoe in the world
fuck this
>>125761385
Are you that arcanyst lyonar
>>125762442
no, I'm a disgruntled abyssian player
>Daily: Play magmar 4 times
>Have no magmar cards, mulligan
>Play Vanar 4 times
I'm never ever getting out of diamond
>>125757531
>A Scion's Third Wish
So literally any Vetruvian deck
>>125761385
ARCHON SPELLBALANCER
>Jaxi on every deck
I've never managed to make him work, he's pretty much a sitting duck that nobody wants to attack him when it's not my turn because he'll turn ranged, and I don't want him to attack on my turn because he'll get easily removed in range form
>>125769624
Just try to 241 with him
>>125764809
What do you play normally?
>make memecha deck
>With a budget on songhai
>mfw genociding a goldie smegmarite as i climb up into golden, this being my reward
>>125769624
tfw playing Jax Truesight to silence Jaxi
Good feeling even if the Jax would've just won the game without that minor benefit anyways
>>125774889
Chaos Elemental looks and soubds cool, I love the teleport sfx.
>>125776343
>That face
Jesus fuck it got spooky.
>>125774035
Song hai and vetruvian. I actually have a bunch of decent cards for Vanar, but no matter what I try I cannot make them work.
>>125776343
If he wasn't so fucking high cost I would love to try it. He can ignore shit like provokes and survive them AOE
>>125776646
Vanar is kind of difficult, one if its biggest problems is that it has trouble effectively dealing with high value weenies and its core mechanics arent great. Infiltrate is inconsistent and most Vespyrs suck, but they have strong individual cards like Fenrir Warmaster, Hailstone Prison, and Razorback.
>>125776759
3 mana 4/4 is high cost?
>>125778198
I believe he's referring to its spirit cost.infiltrate rework when
>>125778336
Oh
Well one thing I think Vanar would appreciate is a better 2 drop and better Vespyrs in general. Borean Bear is pathetic and Crystal Cloaker has inconsistent value.
Alright you shitters, I'm sick of yugioh and cardstone, and this shit looks great. I just started. and managed to pull a legendary(I think at least, it has a name and is gold) should I dust him? It's the neutral phoenix that brings units to life. I'm really interested in Vetruvian, but it seems all its good shit needs to be crafted. So I'm stuck with Magmar and Lyonar for the time being. What do I need to look out for as Magmar? How much early/late game is enough? The claw artifact seems dead half the time, am I right in taking 1 or 2? (I also dropped the twin fangs gold artifact). How do I stop the repulsor faggot from fucking my shit up?
What if Mist Dragon Seal cost 0 mana and Inner Focus cost 1?
>>125780078
Vet's deck price is overestimated I think.
I've been playing for 2 days and I'm only missing 3 epics and 3 legendaries.
Granted I've been lucky with legendary pulls.
>>125780908
If they change inner focus to cost anything they will kill current song hai. That might be good though, I fucking hate how dependant I am on that fucking card. If I don't draw it I just can't win, boars can't carry my ass mid game.
>>125780908
>>125783056
Take away all 0 mana spells from Songhai and they're suddenly balanced. That'd force them to maintain board presence to and make x3 Manaforger an autoinclude as well as means of protecting them.
>>125780078
twin fangs is fucking broken mang
I get 10+ attack with that shit everytime
>>125783659
>That'd force them to maintain board presence
...Which is fucking impossible for songhai since their minions fucking suck, except for boar my nigga. The only resemblance of board presence that I have is when I buff a sw0rd and it stays in the field.
>>125784262
Fighting Songhai is NOT interactive. You either pray to kill them before they draw all their burn or shit out enough threats so they spend more burn on your minions than you have heals.
>0 mana activate and buff up minions for cheap
>0 mana to neutralize any provokes with juxt
>1 mana to not only give +1/+1 but also bypass any bodyblocking or provokes
The list goes one, I'm tired of posting the same thing over and over whenever an argument over songays pops up.
>>125780078
Magmar's core is roughly
-3 of each Silithar (Young, Veteran, Elder)
-3 Mana Burn
-3 Natural Selection
-2-3 Plasma Storm
Obviously you will want more but the above cards alone (though) will give you a strong foundation. Elder is the least required on account of rarity but you want them ASAP. Other Magmar stuff to look out for are
-Elucidator
-Metamorphosis
-Makantor Warbeast
-Flash Reincarnation
-Kujuta
-Archon Spellbinder (Neutral but powerful)
If there are any I missed, others can chime in.
Vetruvian wants
-Portal Guardian
-Aymara Healer
-SCION'S THIRD WISH
-Star's Fury
-Rasha's Curse
>>125785825
>-3 Natural Selection
WRONG.
>>125784582
The fuck do you mean with "interactive"? What is interactive to you? Muh board control and muh tiles are shit anyways, literally no one plays with them in any interesting way beyond shitting out minions in the nearest tile
Yes, the can bypass the board. That´s what makes song hai song hai. If you don't like it it's ok, but don't try to turn them into a control faction just because it hurts your feelings to see my gorehorn teleporting behind you.
>>125785825
Magmar's true core is
-3 Mana burn
-3 Of each Silithar (Learn to love the bara mpreg)
-2-3 Plasma
-1-2 Selection
-3 Flash Reincarnation
-3 Makator
Selection is normally some value, but not enough to get 3 of them.
Makator is just too good.
Elder is "replaceable" by adding another big guy, but he's still great.
>>125785974
I'm not for taking away their mechanics. The costs are so fucking low they can oneshot you even with provokes covering your ass. Reducing the amount damage from the combos they pull off either make setups needed or simply spread out their damage over more turns.
>>125786172
THEIR FUCKING MECHANIC IS TO BE THE COMBO FACTION.
IF COMBO MAKES YOU CRY LIKE A BITCH GO PLAY FUCKING TIC-TAC-TOE YOU IDIOT.
How hard is that to get?
>>125786303
Songays confirmed for psychotic. Lantern Fox combo and Magmar's Flash Eli + FR are cancerous and killing the game.
>>125786394
>>125786303
There are also 2 more Songhai deck archetypes: Spellcaster/Arcanyst and Ranged which work just as fine and not infurating to play against because they can't shit out lethal with no board since they need their minions to survive.
>>125786172
>The costs are so fucking low they can oneshot you even with provokes covering your ass
That's a lie man, they have burst but it's pretty reasonable with the amount of cards invested. The only problem with song hai is the fucking foxes because protecting your back doesn't work, but I don't know how to nerf them without turning them to shit.
Spreading out the damage won't work unless they cut the healing available imo. I agree that in the long run it would be good. I feel dirty when I win a match in the third turn.
>>125786303
Stop being buttflusted dood.
>>125786576
>Spellcaster/Arcanyst
Which is shit and it doesn't work at all, plus you need a shit load of legos and epics, almost as much as vetkeks
>ranged
Doesn't work because muh board wipes clear out everything. I would like this to work though, but it's just impossible to play right now.
>go onto official forums
>huge autistic debate between two clodheads about decktrackers
>mfw someone starts unironically equating them with hacks
Where does /dyg/ stand on this topic anyways?
>>125786739
>every class relies on minions and suffers from AOE except OHK songay
>songay that doesn't OHK with no board can't work
Nice arguments.
>>125786394
>Magmar's Flash Eli + FR
Nobody really runs that successfully.
>>125786909
Not cheating, you can do it by hand wasting more time/paper.
Using paper to count card is cheating because makes casino lose.
>>125785886
RIP I tried hard
>>125786119
Thanks, and I plan on working on Magmar myself once I've assembled my Vet core, I just need one more STW, maybe one Aymara (I have two, and 3 Rasha's Curse. There's TIME WALK too but I don't see that as a necessity.
>>125786586
Maybe make it so that Inner Focus gives Lantern Fox one more attack instead of both?
>>125787319
It'd be easier to remove celerity but that defeats the purpose of the minion. Increasing manacosts is probably the best way to balance that shit.
>>125787319
>I just need one more STW
You only really need 2 wishes as 100% core.
I'd say vet core is:
3 Fury
2 Rasha's
2 Wish
3 Portal guardian
As much ayylmaos as you can get your hands on
But specially
NO.
OBELISK.
>>125785825
>3 nat select core
>makantor not core
>no emerald rejuvinator
>no jax for vet
>>125787654
Emerald and healslut go in every deck but songay
>>125787007
But magmar and lyonar dont suffer from aoe and lyonar needs only 1 minion on board for 1 turn to deal shitloads of free damage
>Lantern Fox is now a 4/2
Game fixed
>>125787217
counting cards isnt cheating, casinos only kick you out because they will lose money if they know your doing it
>>125788152
Can you read anon?
Can you?
>>125788135
>increasing damage
No.
>>125788207
>Using paper to count card is cheating because makes casino lose.
>count card is cheating
Can you?
>>125788351
>can't inner focus
Yes
>>125788351
>unable to be inner focus'd
yes
>>125788420
They kick you out on the basis of >cheating< via >card counting< because they can prove it (you're marking it down.
You're dumb.
>>125788609
>>125788641
My bad, I forgot about that. I was thinking that reducing health while increasing damage is irrelevant because killing edge gives +2 hp.
>>125788668
But its not cheating
They can kick you out on whatever basis they want, even if they can't prove you are doing anything at all.
>>125788917
Yep you're retarded
>>125787654
I don't play Magmar so it was an honest mistake and Emerald Rejuvenator goes in everything anyway. I did forget Jax though, so thanks. Honestly we could probably assemble an infographic or something for players to use as a reference when building decks. I know the forums have things but they feel kind of scattered and it'd probably easier if they were all in one place.
>>125789067
>resorting to ad hominem
>>125789309
>Resorting to ad hominem to the ad hominemer
>>125789071
That guy's card ratings are all kinds of fucked on top of being outdated by a great many numbers of patches too anyways
>dunecaster A-
>all the obelysks are rated fairly well
>Orb Weaver A-
>Wildire Ankh still a "2 off in every deck since the dawn of time" after the nerf ages ago
>Sword of Mekaz0r "pretty much restricted to mech decks"
>Emerald Rejuvinator "doesn't impress me"
>Eclipse A
The list goes on. I feel I have a pretty decent understanding of the game at large to make a list like it though. Might do it if I feel. At the very least I'd be able to do it for Vetruvian.
Guys, please. Keep your homomemes in private.
>>125789071
baiten kaitos was a pretty good game
>>125789724
I'd rather it be a collaborative effort, it's best to have multiple heads working on things.
Also Sword of Mechazor's synergy with Songhai is super obvious what the hell?
MAGMAR RATE LIST (No special archetype, no neutrals)
10/10 - 3 Makator
10/10 - 3 Flash reincarnate
10/10 - Veteran and young silithar
8/10 - 2-3 Elder
8/10 - 2-3 Meta
8/10 - 3 Elucidator (for combo and aggro)
8/10 - 2 Spirit harvester (For control)
7/10 - 3 Kujata
0 to 3/10 - Mind Steal, bounded life force, Tremor (this should be removed desu, stun should be vanar's), Unstable Leviathan
Non rated- Average ranking
>>125790280
I'd vote on just sort of removing the letter grading. I know it'll be more of a pain to absorb the information for lazy assholes who hate to read but I hate the idea of finding cards that may have very strong uses as a tech card or may have strong potential without much actual playability due to popular deck builds not being able to find room for it and sticking those into some sort of hierarchy.
Otherwise I'd love to help out. If someone has some sort of way to set up a team and strum them into a google doc or something like that I'd pitch in.
>>125790257
Yeah it was, I had good times with both.
>>125791014
Giving actual evaluation and uses would be a lot more helpful yeah, and we could just start off by establishing "core" cards for each faction then going over tech choices specific to each, as well as highlighting good general use neutrals.
>>125790354
stun is pretty shit which makes it fit perfectly with vanar's theme
>>125789724
>Eclipse A
Do we know for a fact that this wasn't written by the furfag who donated to get him in
>>125790354
Bounded Life Force is bad, but it's not "Tremor and Mind Steal" levels of bad.
>>125793326
>Bounded Life Force is bad, but it's not "Tremor and Mind Steal" levels of bad
<3 means that it's basically dust-able, I didn't feel like going one-by-one on the bad cards. Life would be a 3, like leviathan.
Bounded life can give you sneaky wins, but normally having that 3rd rejuvenator or flash is better.
>made it into the RS Chronicles beta
Finally I have another ccg to play
alright, I play this game and get my ass kicked every single time. Since I started playing, I've never gotten a win. 6 losses in a row.
Is this some pay2win meta shit or how come a new player gets wrecked this hard?
>Star's Fury
>Third Wish
Fucking christ, I escaped from hearthstone to avoid the same fucking Druid combo. Why the fuck does every ccg have this bullshit? Also, why the fuck does a beginner bronze have a deck that's 90% epics and legendaries?
>>125798127
Don't let them have 3 minions on the board by turn 7. How fucking hard is it? Also conga-lining helps if he hasn't shown any signs of running Ankhs and Staves to punish you with Aurora's Tears burst.
>>125798353
Nigger, I have no clue what you just said. I don't have a single purple or gold card in my shitty beginner deck. I just keep getting run over with faggots that have Jaxi, and a shitton of purple and gold cards in fucking bronze. I keep seeing these bullshit cards like Pandora, and I literally have no answer in my whole collection to such bullshit.
>>125797087
You're probably really bad at deckbuilding. A lot of the basic and common neutrals are staple as fuck. Primus Fist, Healing Mystic, Jaxi, or Rock Pulverizer are like 75% of the 2-drop slot in most decks. Healing Mystic is just a rare and in almost every deck. Saberspine Tiger sees widespread use. Dancing Blades is an extremely powerful pauper creature that can see some play in polished decks.
Look into those.
>>125798712
>healing mystic is just a rare
Shit that's not Emerald Rejuvinator.
>>125798570
Read the card text. Third wish can only be cast when you have 3 minions on the board.
You can reduce the number of dervishes spawned the turn before by aligning your shit into one straight line, however Blast + Damage artifact combo will punish you.
SF+TW can only happen on turn 7 unless they secure a mana orb so you can time your shit around that.
Also, the earlier you get orbs the more likely you get legos out of them. You can make an account for 1 deck and just build it from ground up by doing all the shit that awards you gold/orbs:
>playing ranked with starter decks till you unlock all proving grounds puzzles
>doing those puzzles
>leveling each faction to 11
>playing a challenge match against a person in your friendslist
>dusting a card
>doing a certain number of quests
Why is Vanar so fucking worthless? The general could have been so hot if not for that fucking face.
>>125798127
Except 3rd wish is like a UTH that only summons a dervish for every minion with an exposed front.
That's why you'll see everyone lining up their minions against vetruvian.
>>125799937
All of the women make the Ice Cube face
If the inevitable Third Wish nerf changes it to "Choose any three minions and teleport them up to 3 spaces" you hear it here first.
>>125799937
This. She's a redhead, she has short hair and she could be hot as fuck in a Ripley way. But those fucking blue lips kill her.
>>125802292
Don't do this to me bro
>>125802590
First Wish is a 1 mana spell that gives 1 minion +1/+1 and draws 1 card. Second Wish used to be a 2 mana spell that gave 2 minions +2/+2 and Celerity (which gave those minions 2 actions) but now it just draws 2 cards. Third Wish needs to be 3 mana and its effects need to involve the number 3. It also still needs to be legendary. Teleporting 3 minions up to 3 spaces is the only change I can think of to fit those criteria.
They could also just bump its mana cost up. I don't know, I'm not a dev.
>>125803071
Trust me I've been thinking of ways to change Third Wish but the teleport is more restrictive, I feel. Maybe it could deal 3 damage each to up to 3 minions? I don't know. Something like Violent Ultimatum is what I had in mind.
>>125803071
If anything, 2nd wish needs to be "Draw 2 cards and teleport a minion up to 2 spaces" or something, it's easily the weakest of the three.
Would fit in with spells only being able to displace 2 spaces (mist walking).
>>125803071
>Second Wish used to be a 2 mana spell that gave 2 minions +2/+2 and Celerity (which gave those minions 2 actions)
hory shit
>>125804894
Actually, it cost four mana when it had that effect.
>>125804030
What if we make it more like Cruel Ultimatum where it's 3 different effects with 3 in it.
Deal 3 damage, give a creature +3/+3, and move something 3 spaces? Something like that. Feels weak but it keeps the theme, at least. Maybe make it 3 damage in a 3x3 area. That'd be pretty rad as a control card but definitely too good. Opponent discards 3? Probably too strong too since draw is at end step. Can lock someone out of cards to play for 3 turns straight with good draws.
>Songhai
So fun and interactive. I sure love losing 15 hp at turn 2 or 3, and dying in another 1 turn burst soon after no matter my position or any provoke creatures protecting me. Just once, I wish they'd make a CCG where aggro/combo is unplayable garbage.
>>125806147
Seriuosly, Songay is just such bullshit, I want to play a match against a human opponent, not a card-drawing slot machine.
>>125806147
>Caw Blade
Then again Caw Blade did EVERYTHING
>>125805579
I like the Cruel Ultimatim idea. How about "Deals 3 damage, heals unit for 3, and gives a minion +3/+3?
>>125806147
I've never understood the appeal to aggro. It's often one of the cheaper ways to get into a card game and a lot of the times it's also very effective so on those terms I understand why it's played. I just don't understand who enjoys the playstyle beyond pure Spikes just playing to win.
Combo however is very popular and attracts a lot of people.
The problem here is that Duelyst has no way to interact with it. No counterspells or instants to stop one or even a way to bait or threaten its disruption. You're not even giving a whole lot up in terms of deckbuilding. No lands to dedicate deck space to. Draw is gracious enough that you don't need to fill your deck space and waste turns on draws and tutors. And often the combo pieces are just plain efficient on their own anyways. "Oh no I have to run Elucidators in my Magmar combo? How will I survive with a 5/4 rush floating in my deck? Sure hope I don't draw into it too soon." Needs some tuning.
Speaking of lands, I wouldn't mind some sort of decision-making in terms of how you gain mana. I absolutely hate lands in Magic so I'm opposed to that. I like how Force of Will does it, personally. Maybe something like that system. You give up your general's attack for a turn to gain a permanent mana crystal. Then you'll actually have to think about whether or not you want to mana accelerate. Maybe you can't replace and gain mana the same turn but I feel that'll fuck control too hard.
>>125806974
Heal sounds too weak, I think.
>>125807252
>I absolutely hate lands in Magic
Never played magic but what's wrong with lands? I thought that they were cool because you could play around them and destroy the resources of the enemy player.
>>125809816
I like that aspect of them. The problem is ~1/3rd of your deck is a card that isn't very exciting to draw into and doesn't do much on its own. Top decking into a land is the worst feeling. Then there's also getting mana screwed. While that can be mitigated through smart deck building it can still easily happen. It's also stupid just how expensive deck building becomes when there's rare staples literally every player is looking for.
Basically, I like the idea that to be able to field more powerful creatures you need to build your deck around being able to field more resources. I like that you can play around and manipulate those resources whether it be denying your opponent (though wizards is against it these days, calling it anti-fun) or through accelerating your own accumulation of resources and the drawbacks that come with spending a turn doing nothing but preparing for future turns.
What I don't like is your one and only draw being a completely worthless card in clutch situations. I don't like the additional layer of RNG involved in mana and color screwing. I don't like the price tag attatched to it. I don't like how boring they are.
>>125809816
You have to commit just over a third of your deck to them, and people hate getting mana screwed. I don't mind them myself. Also land destruction isn't terribly common and is mostly a Red mechanic. People hate land destruction for obvious reasons too.
>>125807252
Some peoole like going fast man. Also attacking the hand would be nice, but you don't want it to be overbearing either.
How to nerf TW without making it unplayable:
>give 3 minions +3 attack this turn only
There.
>>125811161
That doesn't solve anything, Third Wish is typically used for alpha strikes and board clears.
>>125809816
>>125810809
Force of Will is a relatively new TCG. It has something very similar to Magic's lands in its Magic Stones. On the field they function pretty much exactly the same as lands. You tap them to gain a resource of a certain color which you spend to cast shit. However, the big difference is that they go in their own deck. You cannot draw into them. They don't pollute your hand or deck.
They get played by tapping your commander. Then the top card of your Magic Stone deck gets played onto the field. Tapping your commander as a cost prevents it from transforming into a playable creature, attacking if it's in said creature form, activating any effects that require it to tap, and makes it targettable for your opponent's attacks if it's in its creature form.
This keeps the idea that to have more resources you have to give up something so it's not as braindead as in HS or Duelyst. It also keeps the concept of building around mana acceleration with plenty of cards having similar effects to those in Magic. It prevents you having no control over not being able to play any cards due to mana screw and you can't dead draw into land after land.
But enough of FoW. I rather like my idea for mana. Generals can't attack if you choose to gain mana that turn. Simple enough to work. Makes mana accelerating not braindead. Added benefit of maybe some 2-health 2-drops finally being worth considering. Plus opens up some card design room, maybe.
Third wish:
Summon three 3/3 Celerity Ethereal Rush Dervishes with Zeal: "If summoned next to a general, this Minion can take an addition action" on any space.
So is Songhai and Third Wishvian the cancer of Duelyst? None of the other decks and classes are even remotely as cheap or sacky. When you lose to the other classes you see it coming a miles away. Whereas with these 2, you're at 20+ hp and it's between turn 3 and 6, and suddenly you're dead.
>>125811967
Fagmar control and lantern fox are still killing this game. It's falseflaggers.
>>125811967
At least with Star's Fury + Third Wish there's some obvious counter play to it. It's definitely too strong but I think people exaggerate that shit way too hard. It's not a zero interaction 25-0 like Magmar's little combo meme or a god hand with Lantern Fox. You can play around it and control the board. It's not like Vetruvian has a whole lot of burst without it.
>>125811967
Third wish and vet in general have a shit load of counterplay. You can ignore star fury, you can stop third wish more or less. Not saying that it ain't strong, but you can do something about it. They trully broken card in vet is Rasha's curse and I have no idea why everyone ignores it. to complain about star fury instead It's an artifact clearer + a saberspine tiger for 2 mana and it ignores the conga line tactic. Balanced.
Fox is broken as fuck, it should be a 4/3 so they can clear it and it can be inner focused.There, now it's balanced.
Eluci magmar makes no sense. Plasma storm makes no fucking sense in that faction. Remove it and metamorphosis. Now magmar has a "weak" early game so they are balanced.
Damn, I must be a genius.
>>125811749
I've been wanting to try that game but there's no decent way to try it out online.
>>125811967
You have to have some level of foresight dealing with them, but Vet is more easily played around than Songhai at least. Magmar is also more oppressive than either class.
just started out with the game and got to sliver rank now i loose every game and I don't want to play anymore
>>125813685
Make fox 4/2 so you need some sort of buff on it to even benefit from celerity. Extra balanced.
>>125813916
It's really fun and I enjoyed my time with it. My friends lost interest so I haven't gotten to play in ages. I really miss it. The art and themes were interesting and unique and the gameplay was pretty much exactly what I was looking for.
When I stopped though Bahamut was fucking ruining the game on his own, though. Insane aggro without a whole lot of options because not all removal can target your ruler. Wonder if/how they fixed it.
>>125814348
>Make fox 4/2 so you need some sort of buff on it to even benefit from celerity
No, then it's shit. One turn is more than enough to deal with it, after all lyonnars only give you one turn to remove shit before divine bond comes to rape you. Same principle here.
Also, make the second one spawn on square near the other so they have less RNG going on and they can both be taunted.
>>125814940
As if it would be a huge nerf. They're gonna be looking to Killing Edge it anyways.
It just means that you'd need to commit fewer creatures/just one general attack to take one out when it's randomly teleported in bumfuck nowhere.
Though if they change how the RNG on the spawn works I guess it wouldn't be necessary.
>>125814348
All card games go through phases of peace and super bullshit so it's to be expected from time to time, mistakes get made.
Does instantly conceding give you your faction quests?
>>125818109
No, you have to play it out at least a little.
>>125821097
>there are people who unironically think this card isnt broken
I've played this game for a day, so the classes are basically.
Magmar = Warrior
Lyonar = Paladin
Songhai = Rogue
Vetruvian = Druid
Abyss = Warlock
Vanar = Priest? (figures the most original class would be shit)
>>125821285
Makantor Warbeast is probably the most busted thing in Magmar.
>>125821465
Priest isn't really shit though. At least not when I dropped Hearthstone.
>>125821465
More like this:
Magmar = Patron Warrior or Freezemage depending on build
Lyonar = Its like golems but you dont have to wait to be on low life
Songhai = Pre Nerf Miracle Rogue
Vetruvian = Hunter (even has their own unleash the memes and card draw)
Abyss = Hunter
Vanar = Druid because one of their minions is a tree
So basically every class in the game is go face all day because nothing you play is going to live longer than a turn. Control in this game means keeping the board empty instead of making value trades to gain more board presence than your opponent then winning with your board advantage.
>>125822408
>making value trades to gain more board presence than your opponent then winning with your board advantage.
But that's closer to midrange than straight up control anyway. Control is restricting your opponent's ability to make plays and in Duelyst a lot of that consists of shooting down their attempts to establish a board. Why do you think Magmar Control is a thing?
>>125822408
>Vetruvian is hunter
>literally the only thing they have similar is UTH - Star's fury
>vanar is druid
>magmar anything like those two aside from the 25-0 burst combo which isn't very common on ladder
Can you HS memers stop trying so hard to draw direct comparisons?
>>125823097
If we're talking HS comparisons, the main races have the cardpools to play in multiple different ways, especially when blended with the sub-tribes. Core Lyonar can feel like some flavor of rushdown or control, but Lyonar Arcaynsts is goddamned hilarious with Owl OTKs straight outta nowhere with Magnetize pulling it into position when your opponent is smugly sure that it'll never be in any position for a threat. (Seriously, Magnetize is such a cool card.)
>>125821097
>Magmar babbies complain that Holy Immolation is broken yet unironically defend Makantor Warbeast
>>125821465
>>125822408
Sooooo
>Magmar = Patrician demigod of ultimate skill, cucker and slayer, hunter and genocider, god and emperor-king, ubermensch: The clss
>>125823740
But that's Vetruvian
>>125822640
grid based games normally have you overwhelming the enemy with units on the board, but this game has left the board on the backburner
>>125824000
>No control
>le epik skillz laddies mateys xdddd
Vetcuck=Druid
>Ubercancer fuck
>Nobody talks about it
>Le balanced roar combo dude XD"
>>125824373
>no one talks about it
Have you never read a thread? it's 50% bitching about Third Wish
>>125813685
magmar also has mana burn, I'll never understand why the race full of dumb brutes has such good dispel capabilities.
Plasma storm at least fits into their survival of the fittest 'theme' with it looking at attack and all, but I'd expect mana burn to be an abyssian spell or something.
>People bitch about control Mag when combo ones exist
>>125797087
You're just a retard. I made a new account and got gold without realizing it just casually leveling up factions with starter decks.
Because this game's like hearthstone, people think they master it as soon as they pick it up. The grid system adds some depth that you won't be able to fully take advantage of until you play more games and learn the cards. How are you going to watch out for makantors or SF/TW combos if you don't even know they exist? But it's easier to focus on the cards' rarity and try to attribute everything to that. Even up to gold, people with decked out legos/epics recklessly summon their units only to lose it to unfavorable trades. A new player has much more room to work with in this game than in games like HS.
>>125823570
What manga is this cute girl from?
Holy shit. Holy shit. I just started up this game and I'm already in love. I see its in beta, are there plans for more factions? What are some tips to get the most out of this game. Maaaaan I'm excite.
>>125821465
Magmar is like Ramp druid + Control Warrior
Songhai is Miracle Rogue on drugs
The other factions are a mix of a bunch of things, I don't think there's any clear cut comparison.
>>125831098
>new factions
maybe in the future. right now the devs are busy with other shit
other than that, just enjoy yourself. try to focus on 1-2 factions (any) if you don't want to blow money on the game
absolutely do the tutorial + puzzles and also check out the hidden achievements for more rewards. if you're new to deck building or card games, check out the beginner stuff in the OP
have fun
>>125833842
Vetruvian=Druid*Paladin dude...
>>125833842
Magmar is just Big Jund
so are new generals just skins or what?
>>125752748
>[Teleports Behind You]
nice reference anon, I kek'd
Can someone post the female Vet general? I don't have it saved.
>>125831098
ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BUY PACKS NEVER. Someone did the math, even if you go 0-3 in Gauntlet, the average rewards for it (unless you get really unlucky) are generally still >150 gold worth of buying straight packs. Gauntlet wins still earn you the base gold per 2 wins same as constructed/ladder (unlike in HS) as well. You might lose more games leaping facefirst into Gauntlet but you'll learn about factions and the entire available cardpool much more quickly than you will wading around at the mainly-basis kiddie pool at the bottom of the ladder.
Gauntlet is currently only opened on Wednesdays and Saturdays to concentrate the playerbase currently (because the majority of the playerbase will get knocked out quickly and run out of saved gold to requeue with) until they're comfortable that enough players are earning enough gold to keep Gauntlet populated the entire week, so save your gold!
>Starfire Scarab
Holy SHIT I hate this card it's so fucking bad yet I keep getting tricked into using it.
>>125842258
>>125844232
Where did you find that art? Is it official? I can't find anything about alternative generals, other than discussion in forums and such.
>Losing rank for failed connections
Ebin
>>125846909
>>125847226
Got anymore saved? I don't feel like allowing cookies and flash just for that shit. I doubt they'll do a qt female Magmar, but I have high hopes for Lyonar.
>>125847423
>>125847423
>i have high hopes for lyonar
>>125847713
What are you implying?
>>125847758
Dont worry anon you will understand soon enough
>>125847758
>>125847862
Well fuck me. Here I was hoping for an amazon or a qt blonde paladin. What the fuck is it with them and lips?
JUST
>people keep trying to surround my units
>mfw I'm Lyonar
They keep conveniently running up to my units in these perfect little rings what the fuck
That's really the not-so-subtle character of Lyonar. They're pushy and rebellious and if you dare try to keep'em down, they explode out and make you pay for it. You have to simply accept that if they need to reposition, they will, because if you try and block their path with units they'll run up to those 1x3 lines and half circles and blow you the fuck out.
>>125847994
No way they won't promote some racial diversity, for human races anyway. Art is atrocious tho.
>Songhai uses all his spells and backstab minions to remove portal guardians and ayylmaos
>even spirals a guardian
>loses without doing a single point of damage to my general
Still had no fun. Fuck Songay.
>>125847639
Ohhoho fuck yeah.
Songay in case anyone missed it.
How do I improve this senpaitachi? Just started yesterday and currently rank 12, so I can only craft rares and commons, since the Makantors ate all the dust I got from my starter gold. The only legendary I got is this guy, and I got 2 of him.
>>125809816
Most of the good shit is expensive for fucking lands
Fucking jews of the coast
>>125851518
All you gotta do to win as fagmar is channel your faggot power. Just be as gay as possible.
>>125850206
Professor silver league trying to give a lecture on Lyonar.
>>125851846
Cry more, straight boy. Power to the lizards.
>>125851846
Cool your autism anon. I'm not playing super special snowflake shit when I literally don't have any cards outside these other than the basic ones. I was running into faggots with literally 15+ legendaries and epics as early as rank 20.
>>125851518
>mana burn
>plasma storm
>makantors
>nat selection
>egg morph
You're almost ready to start sucking cock with the big boys. Just need to save for flash reinc and silithar elders next.
have you guys learned yet?
>>125852090
I waskind ofkidding. You have most of what you need.
Maybe replace the diretide for an extra plasma storm and get 2x earth sphere instead of the repulsor beasts since you seem to have enough removal anyway.
>>125851518
>spending your gold on packs and not waiting to spend it on gauntlet
enjoy your reduced returns, see >>125842375
More seriously:
Drop Rocky entirely out in favor of Saberspine Tiger. 1/4 provokes get cut down without having put up much of a fight which raises the question of why you bothered with them. In the weird event that they do stick around, they then get ignominiously blown up by your own Spirit Harvesters or Plasma Storms without even being able to suicide for meaningful damage beforehand, or they fuck with your Natural Selections.
On the other hand, rush is RIDICULOUSLY good. It fucks with your opponent because they get to act before he can react, which I'm sure you're aware why Makantor is so awesome. Don't be worried if they run to their death: think of them as neutral burnspells that double as mana orb grabbers and as unexpected blowout targets for diretide frenzy. Seriously, Saberspine+Diretide is basically a Holy Immolation, admittedly a two-card throwaway, but the effect is important for tempo at the very least.
Play all 3 Plasma Storms. You're doing nothing but a disservice to yourself by not playing all 3. Don't worry about eggs: the odds of an egg being up on your turn is low, since opponents make sure they have a way to deal with the egg on the turn it spawns, and suiciding into an egg on your own turn is a perfectly good waste of an egg in the first place.
Probably the biggest problem with your deck is that it lacks endgame wincons: Fractal Replication (for sudden burst blowouts) or Silithar Elder (build up a ludicrous critical mass of doubling Elders, your opponent will concede after you've defended them for long enough for him to realize he has no chance). Yes, those are legendaries. Sorry, this is the path you chose when you picked Magmar; they really do need them to function properly. If you wanted truly effective pauper, you could have played Lyonar or Abyssian. But hey, at least you didn't pick Vetruvian or Vanar!
>>125851917
I'm rank 3 and they still keep doing it. I expected to hit a brick wall at rank 5 but at this rate I'll be able to grind out S before the end of the month.
>>125853665
>Vetruvian Pauper
>Dervish.dek
I copied a deck from a guide on 360 dust decks and it had Windstorm Obelysks in it. Yeah.
Still though I had so much fun with the deck that I dropped Magmar in favor of Vetruvian but Windstorm Obelysk is easily one of the worst cards in the game.
>gauntlet
>opponent has two makantor beasts and gets out a 6/7 on turn 3 with flash incarnation
what is this, constructed
>>125855567
>Flash Reincarnated Archon Spellbinder in fucking Gauntlet
Who have you wronged recently?
>>125855669
No, it was that High Hand guy. But then he followed up with a Healing Mystic on it to bring it back to full. I ran away from it for a bit and actually deployed two cannons of Mechazor that whittled it down, but then after I took it out he Plasma Stormed and ruined my day, then that 3/4 3-damage aoe guy, then a Naga.
He got ALL the aoe that draft and his raw card quality was such that I needed him to not have that to break my desperate walling attempts.
>>125853741
It's pretty much impossible to play around cleave in this game due to how generous it is (3x3 tiles) and how small the grid is.
Your best bet is to deploy in a diagonal or something which will save a unit or two, but realistically that isn't always going to be optimum depending on boardstate and frankly.
>>125856765
and frankly any unit far off enough to dodge the cleave isn't going to be contributing to the battle in a hurry anyway.
It's a lose/lose situation for the attacker so I really wouldn't feel smug about pulling that on someone. Situations like that are inevitable.
WHAT IN GOD'S NAME HAVE I DRAFTED
I HAVE NEVER PLAYED VANAR BEFORE
SEND AID
>>125858484
>no fenrir
kek
