Ulm toppest nation edition
Dominions is a fantasy turn-based strategy game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.
It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a strategy game.
>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya
>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795
>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki
>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf
>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/
>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551
>Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/JMmSrpdE
>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod
>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is ded.
>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the pastebin
>Read the memes
Submit completed games here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform
Results Here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlrvyEqLFYIaXRc49TheMmfdoP8jEh1m5rZJHJAzDWQ/edit?usp=sharing
Let's not let the thread go the way of Ermor
>>125475904
Because I know you're stacking Dusk Elders at your cap, and with what I have atm I couldn't overcome the skelespam.
So fish and Agartha are already at a war path? Man thats fast.
>>125479438They're not the only ones, but this map is crazy small.
>>125478557
TOO LATE
Also, I just added TurtlePower to the list of completed games. It was an EA game played a little over a year ago and included the mod nation Neritia (turtles), and Yomi was the winner.
>>125479691
I just want to say that my friendship CAN be bought! Feel free to bribe me with gems and gold! Nippon YES.
Marignon, message me on steam (Calcium)
>>125479851
That's good to know I guess?
>>125479942
Sure is! For just a few gems anyone can have a safe border and a loyal neighbor! All treaties honored!
>>125480032
[email protected]
I'm a bit occupied but I'm home at least.
>>125480308
Can you come to the steam chat? Would be faster.
>>125480438
Like I said home but occupied.
>>125480615
>>125480438
Were are you two? Geographically in the game that is.Diplomacy purposes, not for elf rape.
>>125480767
Middlish of the map on the coast.
>>125480767
I'm south-central edge of the map, above the smaller sea.
>>125480308
Sent you a mail.
>>125480767
>not for elf rape
Elves don't have a concept of consent.
>>125481518
Elf males are just as willing as elf females to get rutted by thick superior cocks.
>>125480884
Jin Port coast? You next to sauro then?
>>125481365
Next to monkies?
>>125481518
We know of consent,asking people to attack us is consenting to elf dick.
>>125481681
giant cocks or yiff?
So fellow Skeltons please teach me the secret to immortality?
>>125481518
>>125479761
Did you miss the post where it was clearly stated that modnation games shouldn't be included?
>>125484843
He probably did. You may want to put that in the form if it's there already.
>>125487692
But I'm not poll-guy.
>>125484843
I did, but there was only one (underwater) modnation in the game and it had absolutely no impact at all on what was otherwise a normal EA game.
>>125480884
Got my e-mail?
seriously been trying to find a damn game since I started playing
everyone just says idle here and in steam but never see anything
>>125481808
exactly where I am.
>>125490863
I did, needed to be able to look at my turn first.
>>125492294
Start one then. It's not rocket science.
>>125492294
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ErfSnekening_2_Erf_Snek_Harder
>>125490863
replied.
>>125493423
Eh I guess I wont argue for limited gain, signed.
>>125494694
I had already taken that province, and had to recruit mercs to do so, or I "might" have considered it.
>>125494945
Thats fair I guess, as long as we have a one province border in the area I dont mind that much. I like defensive borders.
>>125452697
Cronemod is still used, making it the second or third most popular mod.
And Erf Snekening is off! I realised I shouldn't keep the six from Erf Snek to wait for another four on a 60 province map.I'm not in this one, please tell me how it goes.
>>125498079
I hope everybody has a snek.
>>125498508
They do.
The good news is someone else joined.
The bad news is it refuses to start.
>>125498596
Sweet. I hope to see them in the arena.
>>125498079
i think i sent wrong pretender in for mari
>>125499303
Well, be quick, I'm dealing with whatever the problem was.
>>125499458
k done
TEAMWORK!
Ah screw it, it's not working Plan B.
>>125502806
what's plan B?
>>125504364
Plan A was the map file that set all the indies to be erf sneks and all their gods into erf sneks.
Plan B was just the indies
Plan C was just the map.
None has worked, I shall sleep on it.
>>125504793
jesus, I didn't know we were going this deep into erfsneks
how much per gem were you looking for?
>>125504793
Plan A would have been glorious.
>>125505529
I wasn't sure what you wanted so I sent you 20 plus a pair of boots and quite a bit of gold.
Benis
>>125515264
yeah, this general is dead right now.
ho games are you in? I'm in 3 games and still no turns
>>125515680
*how many games are you in?
>>125515680
>>125515817
8 and I have three turns to do.
>>125515680
0 cause cause erfsneks hasn't even started yet
Guys, this was supposed to be a no skeletons game...
what's the usual amount of thrones / required to win?
I made something
Good game? Sell me on it, /vg/
>>125520196
You can wish for girls
>>125519291
y tho
>>125520387
Because Toast
>>125518638
>skellington on skellington violence.
I never said no skellies just no Ermor.
So whats considered an absolute max of map size and/or average province count per player? I know Stalewarriors on Oeridia were at something ridiculous (like 40 provinces per player on average), but what is a sane cap?
>>125522241
15 is normal. Bigger means slower. There's no absolute min or max.
>>125522426
Sorry, there is an absolute min of 1 province per player + 1 throne site.
Speaking of which, what happened to lotus clusterfuck?
>>125522426
>>125522582
There's also an absolute max, but it's very very high. This is mentioned on the dom4mods forum, in discussion for a big map. I don't know what max size is though.
>>125522241
Both of them look sane in comparison to the batshit glory of Latus.
>>125523538
It's funny, Latus was one of the two maps I was looking at (the other being World of Geometry). Was going to see if they would function on Llamaserver, then might try to start a game on one of them, after making sure the maps function (for instance, if you don't alter one of the starts in world of Geometry to be a cave, anyone trying to play Agartha with just make the map bug completely).
>>125523902
there was a game using Latus
it was called flatus
it makes sad us
>>125523902
Make it an all ages gameand watch the Ermor/Lemuria alliance win
>>125524215
<All Ages Game>
These maps are big, but they're not Oeridia sized. Even Latus isn't close, more like Archaea sized.
One age would be just fine. Especially because World of Geometry isn't exactly big, its just big for the 12 people that can play on it with the starts still making sense.
Reminder that llamaserver doesn't support All Ages games.
>>125523902
Do it.
Latus is a hilarious clusterfuck.Just don't go the way of Flatus ;_;
>>125525750
The maker of Latus is a sick fuck. Ulm and Ermor share a cap ring, as do Helheim and Vanheim in the EA. Like what the actual hell.
>>125526271
That's fucking nothing.
Look at all the preplaced sites.
Look at how some nations have entire planes filled with unhidden gem sites all to themselves.
>>125526578
I'm well aware, and is another huge turn off from Latus (trying to balance that would be hellish). But the idea of the planes at least is somewhat thematic to the map.
But Helheim and Vanheims capital literally TOUCH EACHOTHER on the map.
>>125526870
It's a glorious clusterfuck, what can I say?
>>125523902
>>125525750
Flatus II: Revenge of Flatus
Someone has to do it.
>>125526578
>some nations get randomly assigned one of those starts:
>plane of money and no indies
>plane of wastelands
>plane of wastelands
Basically you've got a 66% chance to be completely fucked and 33% chance to win the game.
>>125519291
What a dork
Vanarus/bogarus have more weird and unique summons thana mod nation and I didn't even know it
>>125529371
yup. and all but the absolute best (discounting firebirds which are literally the best summon in the entire game) don't require Pretender Magics
how can I make sure my communion slaves cast before the master? (master has a crystal matrix)
>>125535056
When you are in the scripting screen, the order that the commanders appear in from top to bottom is the order that they will act in.
>>125535136
possible to rearrange them?
>>125535291
No. Commanders act in order of Unit ID, which is set when the unit is recruited.
>>125535341
recruit the slaves always before the master then I guess
annoying but w/e
>>125535637
Actually, unit ID is weird because after a unit that isn't in the HoF or have some sort of rebirth effect dies, its ID gets reused so commanders that are recruited later can still have earlier IDs.
>>125535709
i'd still like rearranging, but from a programming standpoint i can understand the nightmare
>>125537452
There are many, many things that can be done to make scripting in Dominions easier and better, but Illwinter's not about that kind of thing.
Is it just me or has Erfsnek2 not started yet?
Friendly reminder monkeys (cool kind, not lanka kind) are your friends. You should gift them stuff and be nice.
Or they throw arrow at you and you die. Would be bad ending, ain't it?
>>125539654
host couldn't figure out some crazy erfsnek stuff he wanted to do, so he went to bed
Does "bringer of fortune" stack? If so, can you go Order 1 Luck 3 (or even Turmoil 3 Luck 3) on MA TC and spam ministers of rituals to get tons of good events, or do the same thing with Bogarus and firebirds?
>>125541872
There are better things to do but yes, stacking bringer of fortune will work.
>>125530185
Firebirds are just a retarded gimmick strategy
>>125548261
>No skeleton DLC character
Also, those pools are just recolors of one sprite. I'll never going to buy Illwinter fightings again.
>>125549331
The moveset is completely different on those recolours though.
>>125549539
Dude.
>no overheads
BRAVO ILLWINTER.
Any scrub can just pick Kraken and mash those 1212 until you're dead.
CoE4 has modding now!
>>125550532
Yay.
Also,
>No longer possible to steal units from stupid commanders
QUALITY.
I've got a hankering for some nature gems
Got a surplus of astral pearls.
Hope you guys have a good turn!
Would anyone be up for VegetableWarriors4 if I host it in early January?
>>125552616
I'll pollinate your flower nerd.
So Ulm, does the fact that the army on my border has not invaded means that we're cool, or what?
>mindhunting innocent sitesearchers when mages are pretty much irreplaceable at this point of the game
Eyyo, what the fuck batman
>>125558351
>>125553175
I'd like a ceasefire, if you would.
How do I beat skeletons.
>>125560762
Yeah, absolutely. Can I have 150 back? I'll pay you some gold for it.
>>125561107
If it's just skeletons, Earthquake, Rain of stones, firestorm, lots of banishment spam, solar brilliance, a heavy thug that doesn't care about skeletons hitting it, undead mastery, and probably some other things I forgot.
>>125561810
It's never just skeletons.
>>125561456
I'm loathe to but yes.
>>125562368
Thank you very much. I'll send the gold the next turn.
ded fuckers
Thread's gonna die again
Horde of Skellingtons!
So what's the nation that's best at demon summoning? I'm talking about generic demons, not nationals.
I'm thinking either LA Marignon or LA Abysia.
>>125570620
The one with cheapest bloodhunters, duh.
>>125570620
EA Mictlan or xibalba.
Mictlan has cheap plentiful bloodhunters with good cap onlies who can summon whatever you want (without boosters?)
Xibalba has even better blood but worse demon summoning capabilities (outside nat'ls)
>>125570701
So LA Mari.
>>125571195
>I'm talking about generic demons, not nationals.
>>125571195
both of those will be summoning nationals, because their nationals are better than the generics. also 'whatever you want' is dishonest as they don't get earth or air crosspaths which are needed for a few.
LA Marignon probably the best for demon summons, Abysia is good, but they like sending horrors more.
>>125571360
>demon summons
>horrors
Tough decision.
How do I deal with elephants.
>>125571884
They have shit MR and Morale, you do the math.
>>125572135
I can hardly script my mages to focus elephants can I?
>>125572285
Mages generally go for higher HP density/lower MR values.
>>125572359
Well they didn't.
I had front of 100 spearmen with +2 morale from commander and +1 from sermon, and 5 elephants killed and routed half of them in 2 turns.
>>125572491
>>125572491
What mages did you have a what spell research?
>>125572491
What nation are you playing?
>>125572728
I had 9D4F pretender, and 2 smaller ones.. Evoc to flare, Enchatment to Horde and Conquration to something, I think the fire power thing.
>>125572781
LA Bogarus
>>125573067
>Enchatment to Horde and Conquration
what.
>>125573264
he's saying his Conjuration was up to the level where you can cast Phoenix Power, which is 2 or 3 I believe
>>125573067
Why do you have a 9D4F pretender as Bogarus?
>>125573518
9F4D my apologies. Because I thought it would be a good idea.
>>125573067
What the smaller ones are is important.
What did you script the pretender to cast? D mages have a habit of just spamming skeletons when casting.
What you want is thaumaturgy 4, for Terror, though even Thaum 1 for frighten helps. Morale checks only happen if there's a cause, so the elephants either need to take a lot of damage or a spell has to force them to take a check.
In Thaumaturgy there's also charm animal (to turn them to your side) or mind burn/soul slay for large damage that their crap MR won't stop.
>>125573264
Horde of skeletons and phoenix power nigga.
>>125573652
It was F not D sorry, I scripted only fire air shield and twist fate I think, rest was autocast. And she chucked Flare into ichtyids.
>>125573978
4D is more than enough for frighten.
Still, what's important is the other mages, your God though mighty can cast only one spell a turn.
>>125573625
Bogarus has crappy troops and sacreds but diverse and powerful mage communions, so you don't want any bless unless you like B9 khlysts for some reason. Get either an awake pretender for expansion or a rainbow to forge boosters and get you into higher tier magic, with lots of scales so you can afford lots of mages.
Is this guy for real?
>>125577375
Maybe he is really misguided. Or going through a faith crisis.
I forgot to do Koakuma so thanks for reminding me anon
Which nation can I try if I want T-strikes, but don't want to play elves or birds ? I am stuck with Fomoria ? I'm talking all ages here, for now I didn't find anything really appealing.
>>125581770
Bogorus can T-strike by using the power of communions.
Or really just tiny communion to set up the storm, then everybody be t-striking.
>>125581770
Midgard
Bogarus
Formoria
>>125582014
Also Lanka
>>125582240
and Pythium
>>125582240
>>125582451
Neither of those have recruit anywhere A2's, which you want if you need to do maximum thunderstriking.
>>125582598
Dakini are surprisingly spammable in addition to doing a lot of other stuff. Send Dakini to do Mistform thug things and then fly them to Thunderstrike in one decisive battle, that kind of stuff.
>>125558351
>when mages are pretty much irreplaceable at this point of the game
That's why it's worth it.
>>125582786
Dakini's are pretty cheap but if you want to use thunderstriking as a main tactic you'll have to spend more effort comparatively than just recruiting an A2 mage. Not that Lanka can't do it, it just doesn't do it as well as other nations.
>Thunderstrike
Literally NULLIFIED by Ground Army / Thunder Fend
USELESS
>>125583589
>An ench 8 and an alt 8 spell helps to counter an Evo 4/Conj 2 combo
Nice
>>125581770
Man can T strike both ages, MA is probably better at it, but LA does it cheaper.
Ur can T strike if you can make storm staves.
>>125583760
Evo 5 you nerd.
>>125583760
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>>125584025
>muh counters
Going that way, most spells are useless. Even troops are useless.
>>125585774
Trying to be a PG is useless.
Just go back to sleep and let me handle all the hard work, ok buddy?
>>125583589
>>125584025
Thunderstrike becomes way less good when those are up, but the direct hit will still wipe out 1 square of dudes.
>>125581518
She looks really good. I like the vampire-style attack.
>>125586541
Assuming regular human troops, it would actually be worthwhile to switch to stormpower->Orb Lightning on your A2 whil keeping Tstrikes on A3s once those are up.
>>125583854
MA Man can't really thunderstrike, look at their noncap.
>>125587374
>multiple instances of smaller damage over fewer instances of large damage when flat damage reduction has been applied
Uh, not sure I agree
>>125587476
As in, the nation can cast the spell... but only 1 in 4 of mothers can do it. That's not really enough to base a strategy on. Meanwhile LA Man has A2 out of every fort every turn.
>>125587573
Fatigue values.
50 vs 5 fatigue
I miss playing this game. What is going on?
>>125589425
I miss being able to use gems freely. What happened with that?
>>125589425
>>125589642
I wish I wasn't a dirty poor pirate fag that can only paly with the shit AI
>>125589920
Anon please buy the game and play with us :3
>>125589642
But anon please don't be such a crybaby, AC is as good as a strategy as Armaggedon or Darkness :^)
I've been considering casting a new global what do you guys think? Should I do it?
>>125590872
gib monies and I will. I recently sold most my useless TF2 junk in steam and got25Reais. The game costs 63. So I'm in the right way.
>>125591693I didn't use dollars because Real is ridiculously low valued so i would have something like 5 dollars.In normal times it would be 14
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>>125591924
>normal times"...2:1 in 1999, reached almost 4:1 in 2002 and then partially recovered until the domestic economic crisis of 2015. The exchange rate as of September 2015 was BRL 4.05 to USD 1.00."
>>125593696
Thanks dilma
>>125591641
Do it man
Burden of time for everyone
>>125596876
He's had that for like 20 turns.
>>125597168
How do you mitigate Burden Of Time anyway?
seems like a game ender spell
>>125597489
Usually people either band together to kill the one who cast it, or they get butthurt and start chainstaling.
Shit like Burden of Time, Astral Corruption, or Wishing for armageddon is like declaring war on the entire world.
>>125597489
It doesn't affect everyone in the same way,so it's manageable for many nations. Others get fucked though. But it's not like all your troops will instantly die anyway, except if you're Abysia maybe.
>>125597826
One of those is not dispellable, does not reveal who cast it and does not end when the person who cast it dies.
Can you guess which one that is?
Which nation would you like to live in? Which is your favorite on reasons other than game mechanics?
>>125598223
it's far from a game ender, but it is a thing that needs to get dealt with.
If it gets dispelled in a few turns, it's not that terrible.
If it's got a 200+ overcast, then basically the caster needs to be killed before it grinds you down.
Utterdark is the more game ending spell unless you're a nation that has zero upkeep, or has switched to just summoning.
>>125591693
Is your pirate copy up to date (4.22)? If yes, it should work in a normal PBEM, provided there's only a single pirate and nobody is using the "original" copy yours was pirated from.
>>125598386
>One of those is not dispellable
It doesn't need to be, since unlike the other options you need to pay for it over and over.
>does not reveal who cast it
That's usually very obvious.
>and does not end when the person who cast it dies
Unless someone has lots of S9 units, yeah it does. And wiping out their faction stops it just as surely as anything else.
Seriously, Pan. You need to stop being so butthurt over Wish. Just because someone spammed it in one shitty meme game that was tailor-made for casting shit like that doesn't mean you should keep sperging out over it.
>>125598896
can you blitz with a pirated copy?
trying to convince my buddy to get it
>>125599534
Only if there are no other pirated copies in the game.
>>125519291
pls finish this mod soon so I can be 2hu shitter in game
>>125599027
Thinking everyone that dislikes something is the same person is a sign of autism.
>>125599027
not him, but Hearland kinda got fucked up by Wishing for Armageddon too. Though part of that was Sceleria realizing how annoying the micro to win would be.
Sceleria cast wish twice to frame R'lyeh, so he could attack.
Then R'lyeh cast Wish twice
and the Sealed Ermor in a Can also cast Wish.
There might have been a sixth as well.
I think pythium eventually won after 6 players went AI after that.
>>125599797
>>125599823
Before StaleWarriors armageddon was rarely even mentioned, let along complained about. Ever since Pan went full bitchtears about it in StaleWarriors, there's someone whining about it literally every thread. Could be a coincidence, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px0xMplZ3E8
>>125599589
why is 4.22 so hard to find pirated god damn
>>125600578
Game is too niche to bother making a crack for every new version.
>>125591110
>can't summon units because astral corruption
>can't buy units because armageddon+darkness
>can't blood hunt units because armageddon killed all but a few of my blood hunting provinces and the troops I would have patrolled even those with
g-guess I'll have to settle for these 3 gnomes my mage befriended;_;
>>125600710
Those are actually pretty useful if you GoR them.
IIRC they're E2N2 mages.
>>125600710
But what do you mean, anon? Astral corruption doesn't make you not able to summon units, you can still do it :^)
>>125600454
I'm not really complaining. If anything it was kinda silly and fun in it's own way.
It was my first game and I was a bit caught off guard when the world just started exploding.
Just thought it was worth mentioning that it was a pretty big part of the game. We did actually talk about it a fair bit at the time. But not to complain about the spell existing.
>>125600945
I heard you can reliably summon horrors with it!
>>125600861
>can't even GoR my goddamn gnomes because AC is still up
>>125600946
Fair enough, but SW isn't really an average game, which is the only reason armageddon has such a major impact. Usually if the game reaches the stage where Wish actually gets cast and isn't used to get SCs or whatever, it's almost over anyway. Because SW is unreasonably huge, you can have a situation where armageddon gets cast and the game still might go on for 100 turns.
But of course, anyone who enters a game like that and expects it to play out like a normal game is starting off on the wrong foot anyway.
>>125599534
Or if you have a group of friends, you could set up a shared Dropbox folder and play "hotseat" with a single copy.
lol
>>125602298
Please tell me that's vs AI.
>>125602953
Nope. Real human being.
>>125602298
>attacking a fort with merman
had it coming
>>125603334
Mainly he was too hurried. The fort looked very undefended, but he didn't ping it with a scout before storming.
>>125603241
And a real hero?
>>125605019
Not with that battle results.I didn't catch the reference
ded?
What do you think /domg/?
>>125605503
>I didn't catch the reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8
>>125610432Thanks
>>125610097
It works, I guess. Maybe trade a point of prod for higher dominion? None of your units are really that resource-intensive, especially the crossbows.
>>125610097
why not take a single scale in temp? you only lose a tiny amount of income
>>125610097
>dormant
what is it going to do that force you to not go imprisoned?
>m-muh hammers
if you wanted more gems a god with more diverse paths to sitesearch might work better.
you can trade in hammers for blood or astral goodies.
if you want to stay dormant i would dump heat to make your fire magic better and purchase 2 magic scales and 1 extra production for maximum bully.
>>125610657
But my units aren't that great, so Prod will allow me to pump more of them out in a brief time.
Also, what would I need Dom7 for?
>>125610710
That's not a bad idea. What do you suggest taking instead?
>>125611138
>hammers
I don't want Hammers specifically, I also want to be able to forge boots to raise my recruitable E1 into E2 (better for high level stuff in communions, easier Demon Knight summoning, Crystal Coins, Blood Stones). E4 is useful for Harbingers.
>dormant
The dormant is to get the above quicker, and because I'm not sure what to spend the extra points in.
>if you want to stay dormant i would dump heat to make your fire magic better and purchase 2 magic scales and 1 extra production for maximum bully.
Dumping heat for magic and prod is not bad.
What would I need F for, though? Angels of fury look inferior than Harbingers, and by the time I reach Conj9 for Seraphs I figure I should be able to afford a F empower (and I'd get an F boosters either through either Arch or Fallen Angels).
>>125610097
Blood hunting has a lot of common bad events and several of the demon commanders have a bad event where they break free of your control, so misfortune can actually hurt blood nations moreso than others.
You can be comfortable with either heat or cold, given that you have fire magic.
>>125613036
I didn't know that. That's a very valid point.
>>125612843
By "dumping heat to make your fire magic better" he means to improve the potency of your fire mages, not to give fire to your pretender.
>>125612843
>I don't want Hammers specifically, I also want to be able to forge boots to raise my recruitable E1 into E2 (better for high level stuff in communions, easier Demon Knight summoning, Crystal Coins, Blood Stones).
then you can wait 36 turns and get something in return.
>What would I need F for, though?
i am sorry i wanted to say " take heat scales which improve the fire evocations of your mages that will have increased chance of applying burn effects when fighting in your dominion".
>>125613259
waiting 36 turns to break into earth is rough, honestly. It sets you behind on searching, demon knight production if you're planning on using them to front line, and can make you unable to cast critical buffs in a mid game war. I can absolutely see the advantage to getting that 24 turns earlier, especially given that it comes with the added benefit of 20-40 extra gems from hammers.
>>125613259
>take heat scales
I didn't think of that. That's another valid point.
>then you can wait 36 turns and get something in return.
I can still get comfortable scales with dormant. Especially if I follow your suggestion to take Heat (2 or even 3). Also, see >>125613475
>>125613259
Speaking of which, what are the effects of the Heat scale on fatigue, and what's its interaction with fire resistance?
>>125613994
In heat 3 and cold 3 units with no resistance to fire/frost has their encumberance increased by 2. If they have 2 or 3 resist, not sure which, then the penantly is lowered to 1. With 5 resist it vanishes.
Cold and hot scales also affects how likely you are to stop burning/freezing - the formula is in the manual. Heat from Hell/Grip of Winter is better in the right scales too.
Is this good? I feel bad about not being able to cast wish with my pretender, but infinite-luck-starspawns can have S6 so maybe I can cast it anyway.
>>125615176
You need one less point of sloth. And 2 more points of E magics
>>125614648
Thanks. How's this looking then?
>>125615176
please test how much encumbrance the snake gets in and out of water.
theorically speaking he shouldn't be able to expand in cold3; i dont' remember about heat 3. you can still hope to expand faster than your scales and water provinces are limited to 1H/C.
>>125615625
Do you intend to play MP with these names or what
>>125615625
better but luck 1 order 3 is for cucks in my opinion.
>>125615394
what do i need resources for? I think 100 resources is easily reached with Sloth 3
>>125615625
I still think Dom6 is too low. If you take good scales you want to spread your dominion as far as you can.
>>125616093
Wow a whole 3 meteorite gaurds.you still need E6 especially UW any less and he'll get ass fucked by some lucky shark tribe
>>125616453
Dom6 is pretty decent, especially since the Domspread rework a while back.
>>125615736
Of course not. But I label untested pretender ideas.
>>125615836
>>125616453
I might drop that Luck1 and get Dom8.
Since we're in a pretender-sharing mood. How's this for Helheim, if I don't want a bless?
>>125618829
You need A6B6.
There's no point in your taking A4B4
>>125618829
Why wouldn't you put him imprisoned?
>>125619043
A5B5 is enough.
>>125619043
You're right. I totally forgot about item slots. I'll be forced to use the shitty Human Archmage.
>>125619128
>Why wouldn't you put him imprisoned?
Because the function of his magic paths is to ensure access to Storm via boosters (later to turn 1 Fog Warriors) instead of relying on 1 in 4 StR cap-only (that competes with another excellent mage) and Storm Demon summoning skipping 3 empowerments in B, and I'd like those things as soon as possible.
>>125619141
>shitty Human Archmage
Or not. I can just drop a scale and get A5B5.
>>125619454
>>125619802
Wait, you're going to use the immoble fountain pretender in *combat*? First off, using pretender to cast spells is so-so, but the big problem is that fountains can't cloud trapeze.
>>125619951
>Wait, you're going to use the immoble fountain pretender in *combat*?
Why would you think this?
I need it to reach A4 to forge Winged Helmets (which Helheim cannot otherwise reach). With one of those, any single one can cast Storm, and the A3 random can cast Fog Warriors turn 1.
B is so I can forge B boosters without having to empower three times. I need that so any Vanjarl can become a Storm Demon summoner.
